#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-11-26
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[00:18:16] <Getty> this t30 is actually not that bad for the job, i thought about finding another non-server PC and the problem is that most of them lag the PCIe
[00:19:28] <XXCoder> my pc isnt a server and works fine
[00:39:43] <Getty> my job is to write software, i have a hard time producing cost
[00:39:47] <Getty> so i take any chance! :D
[00:40:03] <XXCoder> programmer eh
[00:40:52] <Getty> well, a real full stack one, cable to cloud
[00:41:03] <XXCoder> nice
[00:41:28] <XXCoder> i learned at college and got CS degree but couldnt find a job
[00:41:31] <XXCoder> so im machinist now
[00:42:21] <Getty> i never learned anywhere, and just once had no job.. for 2 months.. before i made my own company ;)
[00:42:35] <XXCoder> thats even better
[00:42:37] <Getty> but that company is dead.... and converted into a real one, like from Freelance to LLC in US terms
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[00:44:54] <XXCoder> not bad
[00:45:01] <XXCoder> growing business?
[00:45:15] <Getty> well not really, still fighting with legacy and parallel earning money "by the hours"
[00:45:25] <Getty> but i already invested a lot for pursueing the real company target: game development
[00:45:34] <Getty> i got literally a complete arcade here, including motion chair
[00:47:38] <XXCoder> this is what I want to have
[00:47:46] <XXCoder> whole arcade booth with asteroids
[00:48:01] <XXCoder> though with extra buttons to switch to other vector games
[00:48:13] <Getty> you are sitting in US?
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[00:48:25] <XXCoder> yeah im in usa
[00:48:30] <Getty> my condulences
[00:48:36] <XXCoder> lol
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[00:50:57] <Getty> XXCoder: but if you wanna become a game developer, i can push you into the right directions, i can always take extensions to my team! :D
[00:51:23] <XXCoder> its been too long, I have forgotten much of programming though I can do it somewhat
[00:51:38] <XXCoder> I recently reverse engineered vismach examples and made my own version
[00:51:51] <XXCoder> it'll be included in latest copies of linuxcnc 2.7 and 2.8
[00:52:15] <Getty> a moron can become a game developer
[00:52:37] <Getty> you dont even need to program, one of my friends denies to make code even tho he is a programmer, but he wanna solve everything without code, which is these days possible
[00:52:39] <Getty> (nearly)
[00:55:08] <XXCoder> right now i'm ok with being a machinist just unsure what to do in future
[00:57:52] <Getty> thats why i went to make that gaming company
[00:58:07] <Getty> i wanna make games, that is the best future i can imagine that still can bring in cash
[00:58:14] <Getty> beside caring for puppies
[00:58:26] <Getty> but i hate dog poo
[00:58:49] <XXCoder> delgate that task to someone else heh
[00:58:55] <XXCoder> as long as its not puppy mill
[00:59:10] <Getty> well, if i ever get a full office for the company, then we will include dog care in it, for sure
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[01:00:49] <XXCoder> nice
[01:02:33] <Getty> but if you ever think about it, come to me, i guide you :D it can happen slowly with some hours whenever you have time hehe
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[01:05:07] <Getty> i think i found a good one
[01:05:21] <Getty> and it cost nearly like the T30... arghl 8-D
[01:09:38] <XXCoder> maybe you'll find better one
[01:10:01] <Getty> yeah i think i found it.... 3 PCIe next to the 1 PCIe x16
[01:10:18] <Getty> and just like 400 EUR, still i5, nice desktop case better for the lab
[01:10:34] <XXCoder> probably decent video card also
[01:10:36] <Getty> windows pro license on top, no home crap, but i anyway got 20 EUR windows license, long live german law
[01:10:46] <Getty> not really, but at 400 EUR i can actually add up 200 EUR for a 1060
[01:11:02] <Getty> but might be too extreme :D
[01:11:15] <XXCoder> if you want to use it for more than just linuxcnc probably worth it
[01:11:34] <XXCoder> linux cams tend to be not very good unfortunately so yopu'd need windows for cam part
[01:11:35] <Getty> well that is the idea, that its dual boot to also use it for gaming
[01:11:39] <Getty> so someone can go sit in the lab for gaming
[01:11:50] <Getty> cam?
[01:11:57] <Getty> what you mean? like webcam?
[01:12:02] <XXCoder> yeah computer aided machining
[01:12:09] <Getty> oh
[01:12:13] <XXCoder> cad is computer aided designing
[01:12:17] <Getty> AH
[01:12:20] <Getty> ok
[01:12:22] <XXCoder> so you use cam to make programs for cnc to run
[01:12:29] <MarcelineVQ> *manufacturing
[01:12:36] <MarcelineVQ> mind that a dedicated graphics card's point when it comes to a diy cnc machine is simply to prevent the integrated graphics of the cpu from having to do anything. no need to get fancy
[01:12:42] <XXCoder> though if you would use yours for just drill you probably could easuly hand code it
[01:12:50] <MarcelineVQ> And even then it's not strictly neccesary
[01:13:02] <Getty> but i COULD add a real gamer card
[01:13:12] <Getty> :D
[01:13:20] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: yeah thats why I recommanded good video card of any era, 10 year old one would fine as long as it never was cheapest card new
[01:13:50] <XXCoder> shitty video card specials sometimes use cpu to offload some of its shitty gpu tasks
[01:14:39] <XXCoder> my linuxcnc video card were pretty high end 14 years or so ago. works great for linuxcnc
[01:15:04] <Getty> i will also add up one of my 4-5 flight stick to it
[01:15:08] <Getty> then its a warthunder station
[01:15:13] <XXCoder> lol
[01:15:27] <MarcelineVQ> ehe, mine doesn't even have a card, runs a lathe just fine
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[01:19:31] <Getty> ah i need to take care of slots
[01:19:43] <Getty> the thing has 3 PCIe but if the PCIe x16 would be 2 slots one of them would be not reachable
[01:20:51] <Getty> wow you cant get a decent gfx as 1 slot! :D
[01:21:17] <XXCoder> my current pc its one slot also, no reason to get 3 slot monstosity'
[01:21:31] <Getty> well i am thinking forward
[01:21:39] <Getty> more slots, more extension cards, more CNC
[01:21:43] <Getty> think mcfly, think
[01:21:51] <XXCoder> :P lol
[01:22:16] <Getty> meh i go to bed now, its freaking 7:21 here
[01:22:21] <Getty> cya tomorrow ;)
[01:22:25] <XXCoder> ;later
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[02:25:54] <Deejay> moin
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[05:54:10] <jthornton> morning
[05:54:35] <XXCoder> hey
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[06:14:14] <rmu> jthornton: https://www.iotforall.com
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[06:24:36] <jthornton> not very instructional lol
[06:24:59] <jthornton> spend way too much time showing the resistor chart lol
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[06:28:40] <Tom_L> morning
[06:29:14] <XXCoder> yo
[06:29:18] <Tom_L> 28°F Hi 42
[06:29:23] <Tom_L> not quite as windy
[06:35:42] <jthornton> pretty much the same temps here but windy still gusts up to 28 mph
[06:36:14] <XXCoder> 50s trending down during week here. rain very often
[06:36:21] <jthornton> rmu: I did get the touch screen, relay board and terminal block mounted to a base yesterday for the new chicken door :)
[06:36:25] <XXCoder> typical early winter (and all winter)
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[07:45:07] <XXCoder> 4:44 am, 44f
[07:45:09] <XXCoder> yay
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[08:12:33] <weenerdog> gooooooooood mawnin
[08:21:12] <jthornton> morning
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[10:09:54] <jesseg> Morning guys. Anyone used Kodiak brand cutting tools?
[10:10:16] <jesseg> My brother just discovered them on ebay last night and we were both surprised that the prices were as low as they were for USA made tools.
[10:10:19] <jesseg> or so they claim.
[10:11:16] <gregcnc> I have a few, I was happy with them
[10:11:52] <gregcnc> It costs a lot to feed reps an distributors
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[10:27:10] <Roguish> jesseg: i've used a few Kodiak, pretty good value
[10:27:38] <Roguish> Amazon besides ebay.
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[10:43:52] <jesseg> cool, thanks
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[14:45:02] <beachbumpete1> Hey folks howsitgoin?
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[14:46:40] <JT-Shop> hey Pete
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[15:03:41] <beachbumpete1> Hey guys got a hardware question for the machinist and tooling gurus on here if you dont mind
[15:04:38] <beachbumpete1> we have a project we are working on where we have to drill a LOT of holes thru some 1 1/2 inch hardwood and into some stainless sheetmetal
[15:05:08] <gloops> ok
[15:05:14] <beachbumpete1> we are needing to machine a jig with hardened drill guides to facilitate drilling these thousands of holes
[15:05:28] <SpeedEvil> how precise?
[15:05:59] <gloops> why not cnc drilling
[15:06:02] <SpeedEvil> Also, drilling from stainless to wood side may be better in some cases
[15:06:11] <beachbumpete1> but the holes if we had our way would need to be drilled thru the wood and into the stainless to predrill for a screw
[15:06:31] <beachbumpete1> not terribly precise just as accurate as our jig locations will be
[15:06:40] <beachbumpete1> drilling from the opposite side is impossible
[15:07:05] <beachbumpete1> now the drill has to go thru the wood into the stainless as I said to predrill for a #12 screw
[15:07:16] <gloops> stainless can be a bitch for a small bit
[15:07:30] <SpeedEvil> That's what - 2mm?
[15:07:45] <beachbumpete1> AND at the same time preferrably countersink the hole in the wood to allow the screw to be installed and then a plug installed on top of the wood face afterwards
[15:07:55] <SpeedEvil> Wood may also blunten the drill and makes coolant problematic
[15:08:08] <gloops> and may burn
[15:08:11] <beachbumpete1> no coolant no cnc this is going to be jobsite work
[15:08:53] <SpeedEvil> why does the screw need to go into the sheetmetal?
[15:08:57] <beachbumpete1> I was HOPING there was a durable combined drill and countersink that would do this but it would need to have a long pilot length to allow the screw to be say a half inch into the wood
[15:08:59] <SpeedEvil> Is it to secure teh sheetmetal?
[15:09:10] <beachbumpete1> it is to secure the wood TO the sheetmetal
[15:09:20] <SpeedEvil> beachbumpete1: you can trivially attach countersinks
[15:09:25] <SpeedEvil> to bits.
[15:09:43] <beachbumpete1> yes of course but we need to try to make this a one and done
[15:10:00] <beachbumpete1> IE using the hardened drill guides to locate, drill, and countersink all in one shot
[15:10:06] <gloops> make the jig with a wider bore to the depth you want to sink
[15:10:12] <gloops> follow on with bigger bit
[15:10:18] <SpeedEvil> You're not going to do that and are very certainly going to need to replace the bits with likely a lifetime of only several tens of holes for the bits maximum
[15:10:34] <JT-Shop> Pete the biggest mistake made drilling stainless is too fast RPM's and too light pressure when hand drilling
[15:10:35] <beachbumpete1> that is kinda what I figured you would say
[15:10:49] <beachbumpete1> yes work hardening is killer
[15:10:49] <gloops> yes JT
[15:11:06] <MarcelineVQ> how thick is this sheet metal?
[15:11:08] <gloops> you might be as well blasting a self tapping screw through with impact driver
[15:11:09] <beachbumpete1> we are already doing something similar on this job and it is burning thru bits
[15:11:15] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[15:11:24] <SpeedEvil> This sounds like it's the wrong approach
[15:11:53] <beachbumpete1> That may be we are trying to give the installer guys the best option. nothing is set in stone yet but we are working on the jig design
[15:11:55] <SpeedEvil> Various sorts of rivets or other fixings, or glue even might be another option
[15:12:13] <beachbumpete1> cannot be rivets or glue must be stainless steel screws
[15:12:16] <gloops> hilti nails
[15:12:19] <SpeedEvil> Why do you have stainless on the other side if it's not cosmetic?
[15:12:54] <beachbumpete1> the stainless is a channel to keep the wood off the side of the house and allow air to get to both sides so the wood does not tend to warp so badly
[15:13:21] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:13:50] <beachbumpete1> its kind of a crazy design but that is typical of these Palm Beach homes LOL
[15:14:08] <beachbumpete1> It should look beautiful once it is done.
[15:14:23] <beachbumpete1> just trying to figure out HOW to make it easiest for the installers.
[15:14:45] <beachbumpete1> I initially recommended using TWO different size hardened inserts one to predrill the hole and one to countersink
[15:14:52] <beachbumpete1> that got poopooed
[15:14:58] <beachbumpete1> they said it would take too long
[15:15:06] <gloops> it will take days
[15:15:19] <beachbumpete1> I still think it is a better option considering the stainless issues
[15:15:41] <Rab> beachbumpete1, something like this? The drill is replaceable, so you could substitute a longer one for the full 1.5" depth. https://www.mcmaster.com
[15:16:00] <beachbumpete1> most combined drill and countersinks have short pilot lengths we need it to be like an inch or so
[15:16:21] <Rab> Oh, sorry, that's not what you need...works on preexisting countersink.
[15:17:14] <beachbumpete1> if those had longer travel that would work against the insert face but those are generally for locating holes in door hinges and predrilling for the screws
[15:17:26] <SpeedEvil> https://www.orbitalfasteners.co.uk - for example - this would need a slightly larger hole.
[15:17:34] <SpeedEvil> Are these needed to be removable?
[15:18:23] <beachbumpete1> I was thinking of using two hardened inserts one that fit inside the other so you just install the smaller one inside the bigger one and drill the pilot then remove and drill the countersink
[15:18:46] <SpeedEvil> you can just screw countersinks onto drillbits
[15:18:48] <beachbumpete1> no hopefully the screws will never be removed they will be getting wood plugs over top of them
[15:18:53] <Rab> beachbumpete1, so you're looking for a longer version of this? http://www.precorp.net
[15:19:36] <beachbumpete1> Rab yes essentially and one that allowed reasonable travel thru a 3/4 inch deep hardened insert to drill thru the 1 1/2" thick wood and into the stainless
[15:20:09] <beachbumpete1> I have looked quite a bit and not found anything that does not have a short pilot length
[15:20:14] <Rab> So can you just put a longer drill in this? https://www.woodking.com
[15:21:27] <SpeedEvil> What diameter are these holes?
[15:21:31] <beachbumpete1> it would seem so but with the max length of the hardened insert being 3/4 inch the drill bit would be outside of the insert before the fatter portion aligned it.
[15:21:41] <SpeedEvil> 1 1/2" drill length is quite a long drill for a small hole
[15:21:49] <Rab> Here's another modular one, maybe this is what SpeedEvil is referring to: https://www.grainger.com
[15:22:23] <beachbumpete1> we are thinking the hardened inserts/counterbore needs to be 1/2 inch and the drill would be small enough to allow a #12 stainless screw to get started without breaking
[15:22:41] <beachbumpete1> the more I think about it the more it is not gonna be possible
[15:22:53] <gloops> nail gun lol
[15:23:09] <fragalot> there's a difference between "not possible", and " a bad idea" :D
[15:23:16] <SpeedEvil> What thickness of stainless steel are you trying to drill into?
[15:23:51] <Rab> Thought about piercing instead of drilling.
[15:24:14] <gloops> whos going to faff about drilling all those holes
[15:24:15] <beachbumpete1> Its like 16 gauge
[15:24:31] <beachbumpete1> men with tool belts :)
[15:25:22] <beachbumpete1> and there is going to be a buttload of these holes
[15:25:35] <gloops> how is the jig going to be clamped to the wooden sheet?
[15:25:43] <beachbumpete1> literally thousands which is why we need to figure out the best way to do this
[15:25:58] <beachbumpete1> the jig is an aluminum sort of heavy duty tee square
[15:25:58] <gloops> and..why not staple the sheets on the wood before offering the wood up to the wall?
[15:26:03] <beachbumpete1> clamped to the wood face
[15:26:26] <beachbumpete1> its not sheets its more like U or hat shaped channel
[15:26:38] <methods_> how are they doing it now?
[15:26:46] <beachbumpete1> they have not started yet
[15:26:54] <methods_> oh i thought you said they were going thru bits
[15:27:01] <beachbumpete1> we are still machining the reclaimed cypress
[15:27:10] <methods_> oh lawd
[15:27:15] <methods_> sinker cypress
[15:27:24] <methods_> good luck with that job
[15:27:32] <beachbumpete1> well they are going thru bits because they had to drill some other holes in this channel
[15:27:39] <beachbumpete1> its not too bad really
[15:27:49] <methods_> until you make something from it lol
[15:28:02] <beachbumpete1> we are running some of it thru our six head moulder and some thru a custom modified twin spindle shaper setup
[15:28:02] <methods_> and it moves a half inch from morning to lunch
[15:28:26] <beachbumpete1> we have been storing it for almost two years now just for this project drying it
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[15:28:29] <weenerdog> howdy
[15:29:04] <methods_> yeah we had the same thing
[15:29:11] <methods_> AC went out on the jobsite
[15:29:18] <methods_> and the whole room went whacko
[15:29:24] <methods_> joints busting
[15:29:36] <beachbumpete1> Oh hell no
[15:29:40] <methods_> yeah it was terrible
[15:29:44] <beachbumpete1> luckily this is all outdoors stuff
[15:29:54] <methods_> ah that should work better then
[15:30:11] <beachbumpete1> we have already machined a lot of soffit material for the home
[15:30:17] <beachbumpete1> its already installed for the most part
[15:30:37] <beachbumpete1> its a pretty big house
[15:30:39] <methods_> they don't want to come back with a second bit to punch thru the sheetmetal?
[15:30:54] <beachbumpete1> THEY don't know what to do LOL
[15:31:02] <beachbumpete1> I have to figure out the best way to do it
[15:31:20] <methods_> come back in with a 2nd carbide bit for the sheetmetal
[15:31:31] <methods_> and use the existing wood hole as the drillguide
[15:31:50] <SpeedEvil> If the sheetmetal U's could have a timber inside, it gets easy
[15:32:15] <methods_> a little tasty sandwich action
[15:32:30] <SpeedEvil> As you just drill all the way through with a 6mm or so bit, with a proper countersink on the end, and then run a long screw in to grab the wood
[15:32:38] <SpeedEvil> Well - easier
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[15:38:52] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com
[15:39:37] <fragalot> https://github.com <--- this whole issue is such a hilearious mess
[15:39:49] <SpeedEvil> gloops: not SS though
[15:39:54] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com - are neat.
[15:40:05] <SpeedEvil> Thoguh not very applicable to this situation directly
[15:41:59] <gloops> you could hire a couple of appropriate nail guns for the job, beats drilling that amount of holes
[15:44:04] <beachbumpete1> my feeling is that despite the bit longer actual time using a smaller hardened insert INSIDE of the larger one would allow you to predrill the smaller hole thru the wood and into the stainless and then remove the insert and drill the counterbore hole with a stop collar on the drill....
[15:44:14] <beachbumpete1> nailing is not happening
[15:44:24] <fragalot> glue. :-)
[15:45:22] <beachbumpete1> I might even be able to machine a plate that holds the smaller inserts in position and tig weld them to the plate
[15:47:10] <Rab> gloops, that's all fun and games until it's time to get the nails out.
[15:48:42] <fragalot> Rab: or until the nails get themselves out
[15:48:56] <MarcelineVQ> which on wood that is prone to changing shape..
[15:49:37] <beachbumpete1> Thanks guys gotta go maybe pop in later. Have a good day.
[15:49:44] <fragalot> That said - they do make nailguns for steel I-beams so i'm sure it could work xD
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[15:49:55] <SpeedEvil> The nails are not SS though
[15:50:01] <fragalot> pfft.
[15:50:18] <fragalot> fix that with some spray on zinc
[15:50:28] <fragalot> polish it up, noone will know better
[15:50:39] <SpeedEvil> Galvanised wood - it's the new thing!
[15:50:48] <fragalot> :D
[15:51:02] * fragalot sprinkles some cast iron dust over SpeedEvil's wood stock
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[16:41:04] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:48:15] <gloops> the beachbumpete case showcases the problem with a lot of tradesmen these days
[16:48:24] <gloops> namely - sucking up to the customer
[16:49:35] <fragalot> at some point you've got to let the materials to the talking
[16:49:40] <fragalot> however, a good challenge is always nice
[16:50:33] <fragalot> friend of mine massaged 20x250mm steel strips into an oval spiral staircase going up with no additional supports "because that's what the customer wanted"
[16:50:48] <gloops> whoever put the idea in the customers head that he was getting thousands of screws plugged over and sanded down
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[16:52:10] <gloops> well fragalot i suppose if the messing about is necessary then thats that, so long as charging is done accordingly
[16:52:23] <fragalot> indeed
[16:54:27] <fragalot> at least beachbumpete isn't required to do grain matching yet with those plugs :P
[16:55:02] <gloops> i think he does work for a place that does high end work actually, going by some of the drawings hes posted in the past
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[17:12:45] <gloops> any cutting tonight ChunkyPuffs?
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[17:15:27] <andypugh> Did I pimp my latest YuTube video here? I can’t remember.
[17:15:45] <andypugh> (Pewter tankard repair)
[17:15:53] <MarcelineVQ> last I saw wait tailstock
[17:15:55] <weenerdog> pimp it
[17:15:55] <MarcelineVQ> *was
[17:16:23] <andypugh> https://youtu.be
[17:16:30] <weenerdog> man they gots cheap linear motion rail stuff on ebay. i think i'm gonna take a chance
[17:19:50] <gloops> weenerdog theyre fine if you use a 300kg gantry, it presses down and basically rides metal to metal
[17:20:06] <weenerdog> lol
[17:21:47] <weenerdog> i'll bacon grease 'em
[17:23:12] <gloops> tbh my cheapo sbr rails work fine
[17:25:43] <weenerdog> i cant imagine the sbr20 having too much play for woodwork
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[17:28:17] <gloops> no, not for pro-sumer kind of machines
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[17:28:41] <weenerdog> 2 pieces of 1500mm sbr12 with 4 bearing blocks for $73.10. prolly just go 1500 on both x & y
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[17:30:42] <gloops> 16mm rail doesnt move at all, i dunno about 12mm, i cant see it
[17:31:00] <gloops> well - at all, i mean nothing that would affect wood stuff
[17:32:37] <weenerdog> i could splurge on 20. its 10 bucks more per pair.
[17:32:52] <gloops> id go with the 20 then
[17:32:58] <weenerdog> so 83 bux an axis
[17:34:06] <gloops> 2010 screws?
[17:34:21] <weenerdog> dunno aint there yet
[17:34:48] <weenerdog> didn't figure i'd build a 4'x4' rig first, but why not?
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[17:44:24] <andypugh> Does Stefan Gotteswinter hang out here?
[17:45:29] <andypugh> (He uses LinuxCNC, and it just seem like more than coincidence the moments after posting my video link he appeared as a new subscriber)
[17:45:42] <gloops> not that i know of andypugh, well, not by any name i recognise
[17:45:52] <syyl> pure coincidence
[17:46:07] <syyl> (yeah, thats me)
[17:47:40] <andypugh> :-)
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[18:36:36] <skunkworks> andypugh: how did you fix the cracks?
[18:36:42] <skunkworks> (spits)
[18:38:18] <skunkworks> (awesome work btw)
[18:39:53] <ChunkyPuffs> gloops, Nope, I'm at home hah
[18:39:55] <ChunkyPuffs> no cutting
[18:39:59] <ChunkyPuffs> Will be tomorrow
[18:40:05] <ChunkyPuffs> I went 48 hours and sleeped for 18 hrs
[18:40:11] <ChunkyPuffs> slept, even, bad english
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[19:31:37] <andypugh> skunkworks: Low melting point solder (and a soldering iron rather than flame or air)
[19:40:14] <Getty> XXCoder: back up again? ;)
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[22:36:27] <mutilator> hey all... anyone here have a build with a ballscrew off to the side rather than through the middle? does any significant binding or anything occur?
[22:41:12] <weenerdog> i've seen pics of builds like that
[22:43:04] <weenerdog> i've actually thought of doing my build with the rails under the table so the screw is level with them
[22:47:17] <SpeedEvil> mutilator: Well, it's gonna mean you have additional torque to deal with with any forces going through that axis, so you need everything to be rigid to them in ways that don't quite happen the same for not.
[22:48:21] <SpeedEvil> But fundamentally, you need to be designing all the stiffness to be adequate under all condition for the expected tooling forces, so ...