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[02:07:30] <enleth> CaptHindsight: I thought the consensus with drill presses is that if you want solid, rigid and reliable, you buy an old one and overhaul it
[02:08:01] <enleth> it doesn't take much effort to fix up a drill press unless it's in a very sorry condition and it *will* be better than almost anything you can buy new
[02:10:13] <enleth> especially if you don't want to spend $5k on a drill press that doesn't even try to avoid looking flimsy
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[02:14:49] <enleth> that thing is 630lbs/290kg
[02:15:20] <enleth> a floor mounted drill press should weigh at least twice as much
[02:15:29] <CaptHindsight> what I usually have done
[02:15:50] <CaptHindsight> was wondering whats out there new
[02:18:03] <enleth> come to think of it, there's one very telling thing I noticed on every single NYC CNC's factory tour video
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[02:18:46] <enleth> he toured some pretty high tech machine factories with top of the line 5 axis machining centers, CNC grinders and whatnot
[02:19:20] <enleth> but every single one of those had a bunch of vintage machines here and there
[02:19:36] <enleth> clearly operational and being used
[02:19:57] <enleth> and most of those were drill presses
[02:20:31] <enleth> at the same time, I haven't seen a single thing that looked like a contemporary drill press
[02:21:12] <enleth> might have been a coincidence caused by the tour plan and editing, but maybe not
[02:21:42] <enleth> if people who build new machines still use the old ones for some tasks, that means something
[02:30:32] <CaptHindsight> last new drill press I bought was in the 90's, was a Rigid
[02:31:04] <CaptHindsight> Ridgid
[02:33:52] <CaptHindsight> was likely at Home depot or menards on sale
[02:34:41] <CaptHindsight> I have some old Rockwells and a Bridgeport
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[02:35:06] <CaptHindsight> I guess the Bridgeport is also a knee mill
[02:37:30] <enleth> even a clapped out bridgeport is still a decent drill press, lots of people seem to be using worn ones like that
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[05:24:31] <XXCoder> can use my cnc router for this lol https://hackaday.com
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[06:09:04] <jthornton> morning
[06:09:29] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:13:21] <jthornton> 30°F this morning a bit colder than they said by 11°F lol
[06:14:02] <Tom_L> 36F Hi 56 with Broken Clouds
[06:14:28] <jthornton> similar high here with chance of rain
[06:14:41] <jthornton> yuck the ground is wet enough
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[06:41:36] <weenerdog> howdy
[06:41:59] <jthornton> hey
[06:53:31] <weenerdog> what cad software do you use? if i may ask
[06:53:40] <jthornton> SW
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[06:55:59] <weenerdog> i've not learned it. reckon i might. i've used autocad and rhino for 25 years. i had hopes for fusion but it is awful lol
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[06:59:53] <jthornton> yea I tried fusion but did not get it
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[07:00:36] <jthornton> plus it's even a bigger resource hog than SW so it is so slow
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[07:05:57] <rmu> solidworks is also a resource hog if you count licensing cost as resource
[07:07:08] <rmu> moore's law made cost of a useful CAD-workstation small-ish
[07:07:45] <gregcnc> what are you using other than SW?
[07:08:58] <rmu> i don't do cad, i generate my (usually very simple) toolpaths directly from ERP
[07:11:51] <gregcnc> what's out there that can do what SW does for less?
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[07:12:21] <weenerdog> fusion would be alright and i'd probably learn it but for all the cloud nonsense. meh
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[07:13:21] <weenerdog> heh i googled for "what is erp softaware" and got a DMCA bitch-o-gram
[07:13:32] <weenerdog> stwange
[07:15:00] <rmu> weenerdog: thats the business-stuff that tracks products orders accounting customers and so ojn
[07:15:42] <rmu> what is a DMCA bitch-o-gram and why would google return that as a result to "what is erp software"?
[07:16:07] <sync> basically what SAP is at its core
[07:16:19] <gregcnc> I guess I need to look around to see if there is anything new. out there, not that I would give up over 10y of SW work to switch
[07:17:04] <rmu> i find that for hobby-stuff and the occasional engraving, freecad and the path module works really well
[07:17:23] <gregcnc> not hobby grade
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[08:06:08] <weenerdog> wow i didn't know sw was so popular
[08:12:29] <weenerdog> jesus harold christ $8000 ?
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[08:42:53] <gregcnc> SW is a major industry software
[08:43:31] <gregcnc> not many are using it for hobby, unless they have a education or veteran license
[08:45:35] <gregcnc> apparently I really hosed my lathe a while back when something fell between the ways and the chuck jaws.
[08:45:51] <methods_> that will do it
[08:46:04] <gregcnc> i don't even remember exactly what happened
[08:46:40] <gregcnc> but I had .005"+ of runout
[08:46:46] <methods_> ouch
[08:46:57] <gregcnc> old clausing 4900
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[08:47:15] <gregcnc> which is no good becuase parts are scarce
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[08:48:07] <methods_> yea it would be nice if these old machine manufacturers would put the prints out for the parts on these old machines
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[08:48:25] <methods_> that way people could get/make their own replacement parts
[08:48:51] <gregcnc> Sometimes they do, but sometimes prints are long gone
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[08:49:09] <methods_> yeah
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[08:49:38] <gregcnc> making a new one wouldn't be a problem if i had another larger lathe
[08:51:50] <gregcnc> and there hasn't been much worth buying on CL lately either
[08:54:52] <gregcnc> sounds like Clausing will send a print if they don't sell the part
[09:04:41] <weenerdog> sweet. i'm a vet. i didn't know sw did a veterans disc.
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[09:08:25] <JT-Shop> it doesn't feel like 34°F outside this morning
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[09:09:50] <weenerdog> it does here. was 13 this time yesterday
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[09:58:28] <jthornton> damn monitor went blank I hope I didn't lose anything in 4 desktops...
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[10:20:14] <pcw_home> can you just swap monitors?
[10:21:05] <jthornton> I'll try that next time
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[10:25:37] <skunkworks> pcw_home: 7i80 - what is the minimum 5v before things get wonky?
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[10:46:32] <pcw_home> it should be OK down to 4.5V or so, 5V is only used for the bus switch threshold setting and pullups (and daughterboard power)
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[11:14:05] <skunkworks> oh - ok
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[11:25:24] <skunkworks> We had some wonkyness on the matsurra - it started homing the wrong way. dad stopped it and tried to restart linuxcnc. at that point it didn't seem to see the card. unpluggin and replugging the power supply seemed to fix it.
[11:25:54] <skunkworks> (it was 4.7v - we are planning to move the power supply closer to the board)
[11:26:17] <skunkworks> (that supply also powers the daughter boards..)
[11:34:53] <pcw_home> Yeah, 4.7V should not interfere with seeing the 7I80 over Ethernet but maybe there's a stability issue if there's too much drop
[11:36:09] <pcw_home> (I have seen issues with wimpy power supplies and cyclic resetting due to current drain surges)
[11:36:51] <skunkworks> sure - it is a 2a supply but is quite a ways away from the boards..
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[11:51:16] <pcw_home> homing the wrong way maybe indicates misreading a home switch?
[11:52:26] <pcw_home> because that requires a lot of things to be working or you would have a following error
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[12:07:25] <cradek> I agree, that's got to be a stuck home switch
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[12:09:48] <pcw_home> might not be a bad idea to have a upper bound on "move off home switch" moves
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[12:10:33] <cradek> I think there is already an upper bound for all home moves (and continuous jogs), which is the joint's max travel length
[12:14:06] <rene_dev_> I think so, yes. it is also the limit for jog moves
[12:14:33] <rene_dev_> you cant continuous jog for more than the travel while not homed
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[12:14:56] <rene_dev_> its because the home/jog planner needs a target
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[12:16:14] <pcw_home> yeah I guess most serious machines have limit switches also so there's some redundancy
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[12:24:06] <fragalot> pcw_home: pfft, who needs redundancy when you have disposable income.
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[12:24:51] <fragalot> unrelated. https://www.youtube.com
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[12:30:10] <pcw_home> That's really neat
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[12:50:08] <jthornton> yikes the hard drive died...
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[12:59:42] <pcw_home> Ouch that's bad...
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[13:32:27] <Tom_L> jthornton, you _did_ have a backup right?
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[13:46:04] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: most of my stuff is sorta backed up and important programming is on github but a full backup no
[13:47:13] <JT-Shop> I guess there is some way to use git or something else to do nightly backups lol
[13:47:39] <Tom_L> your main pc?
[13:48:19] <rmu> the git backup thing was a joke by linus torvalds
[13:48:26] <Tom_L> i've had windows hdd die but was able to get some stuff off by hooking it up to a linux box
[13:48:35] <rmu> something like borgbackups works better
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[13:48:51] <Tom_L> but anything important is in multiple places
[13:48:56] <rmu> or backuppc
[13:49:26] <rmu> backuppc is slow if you have 10^10 files
[13:49:53] <fragalot> rmu: the nice thing about the git backup is that it works both ways though
[13:50:10] <fragalot> so when the github server gets done in by a cryptolocker, all of the users can push the history back into it
[13:50:47] <rmu> fragalot: you don't want to put big binary documents into git, like your photo collection
[13:53:12] <Tom_L> backup your TB drive using windows backup to floppies
[13:53:44] <rmu> thats on the order of a 3/4 million floppies per tb?
[13:53:58] <gregcnc> sounds like fun
[13:54:03] <Tom_L> what are the odds of them all being good?
[13:54:50] <Tom_L> especially if you store them next to your CRT monitor :)
[13:59:50] <rmu> 25 3 1/2" "non-floppy" disks have at least 1 dm³
[13:59:56] <gregcnc> this times whatever https://www.wired.com
[14:00:03] <rmu> so you can store about 25000 per m³
[14:00:32] <rmu> would need 30m³ per tb if i got all zeros right
[14:04:46] <fragalot> rmu: GIT LFS. :-)
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[14:11:43] <rmu> fragalot: i don't trust hacks like that for backups
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[14:12:55] <rmu> stuff like that exists for people that want/need to check in their VM images into git
[14:13:05] <fragalot> rmu: well, you are talking to someone that made a backup of his photo collection's catalog, resulting in him losing everything prior to 2009 because he didn't verify that said backup actually contained the files.
[14:13:23] <rmu> that sucks
[14:13:40] <fragalot> rmu: we use it for PLC programs.. big binary blobs, but you need to track the history /somehow/
[14:15:28] <enleth> borgbackup here, works well
[14:16:04] <enleth> it's very git-ish in how it works internally, so it feels natural if you're used to git
[14:19:12] <enleth> it keeps a collection of HMACed binary chunks, an index of what the chunks contain and a list of actual "backup" entries which just reference the correct chunks, so it's differential and deduplicated by design and allows pruning old backups by just removing references to them and cleaning up dangling chunks
[14:22:44] <rmu> borgbackup is really cool. on work machines i run that hourly.
[14:25:09] <rmu> it has a way to split binary files into chunks and can deduplicate those chunks, so e.g. if you change EXIF data on a jpeg, next backup doesn't store the whole file
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[14:31:32] <JT-Shop> can borg backup to a nas?
[14:31:46] <JT-Shop> I assume you need borg on each linux pc?
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[14:33:07] <miss0r|office> fragalot: My land-rover project is nearing completion: https://imgur.com
[14:33:35] <miss0r|office> I might have it up and running next week, to go get it looked at for license plates
[14:34:17] <rmu> JT-Shop: you need borg on the PC you want to backup (usually). target needs to be reachable with SSH or NFS or SAMBA or some other protocol
[14:34:59] <rmu> JT-Shop: IIRC it can also directly use S3 buckets and similar stuff. full encryption supported, place of storage never sees plaintext.
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[14:36:19] <rmu> also possible is to mount remote filesystems on your backup-server and run borg there, but that probably only makes sense in exceptional circumstances
[14:36:26] <fragalot> miss0r|office: That is such a sad looking vehicle atm :P
[14:36:38] <fragalot> miss0r|office: are you going to get rally plate holders?
[14:36:48] <miss0r|office> meh... the camera adds 12 pounds(of dirt)
[14:36:59] <miss0r|office> what are rally plate holders?
[14:37:10] <fragalot> hang on let me find an example
[14:37:33] <fragalot> https://proxy.duckduckgo.com
[14:38:06] <fragalot> i've seen those in enamel too.. quite classy :P
[14:38:07] <miss0r|office> erh.. is that supposed to be a sticker?
[14:38:48] <fragalot> meh I can't find the classy examples
[14:38:50] <miss0r|office> Also; the paint job is not realy required to pass a MOT, so I will wait till summer :)
[14:38:56] <fragalot> :-)
[14:39:04] <fragalot> do the brakes work?
[14:39:10] <miss0r|office> But mecanically speaking, it is in prestine condition
[14:39:13] <miss0r|office> Yes
[14:39:17] <fragalot> Neat
[14:39:18] <miss0r|office> well, I will soon find out
[14:39:21] <miss0r|office> :]
[14:39:25] <miss0r|office> But it is all new
[14:39:26] <rmu> my brother has a landrover. the junction drips oil. oil that is sucked via capillary action through the wire!
[14:39:32] <fragalot> my trabant had one wheel that would lock up whilst the others hadn't even started braking yet
[14:39:32] <rmu> junction box
[14:40:12] <miss0r|office> rmu: Back when the land rover engineers decided to build the first land rover, they started with a clean workshop, threw a bucket of oil on the floor & build their way up from there
[14:40:16] <fragalot> rmu: it's acting as dieelectric grease :P
[14:40:18] <miss0r|office> fragalot: hehe
[14:40:36] <rmu> hehe
[14:40:55] <miss0r|office> If a land-rover is not leaking oil you need to top it off, as it is probally running dry
[14:40:59] <rmu> those electrons need to be greased!
[14:41:12] <miss0r|office> for faster elecricity
[14:41:30] <rmu> in the movie "cars 2" they say "if there is no oil under an english car there is no oil in the car"...
[14:41:39] <miss0r|office> indeed
[14:41:42] <fragalot> rmu: based on true facts
[14:41:43] <fragalot> :D
[14:42:00] <miss0r|office> not 'based on'. they are simply stating a pure fact
[14:42:13] <miss0r|office> did you guys know that 80% of the land-rover sold are still on the road?
[14:42:24] <miss0r|office> The remaining 20% made it home.. :)
[14:42:31] <JT-Shop> rmu: thanks, I'll look at using that from now ow
[14:42:34] <JT-Shop> own
[14:42:38] <JT-Shop> on
[14:42:53] <sync> rmu: really common tho
[14:43:10] <fragalot> miss0r|office: haha
[14:43:26] <sync> mercs are notorious for leaking out of the trans or the cam phasaers
[14:43:30] <sync> ~phasers
[14:43:44] <fragalot> hey even the SR-71 leaks like a sieve
[14:44:16] <rmu> fragalot: only when on ground or at sub-sonic
[14:44:18] <rmu> speeds
[14:44:24] <sync> it's not that bad
[14:44:31] <sync> it's more of an urban legend
[14:44:32] <miss0r|office> sync: Thats nothing - land rover invented outside splash lubrication.
[14:45:16] <fragalot> miss0r|office: trabant perfected that by using a 2stroke engine
[14:45:35] <miss0r|office> There are two manmade objects that can be seen from outer space; 1) the great wall of chine. 2) The door gap on a series three land-rover
[14:45:35] <rmu> landrover invented anodic corrosion protection
[14:45:42] <fragalot> rmu: xD
[14:45:45] <miss0r|office> fragalot haha
[14:46:15] <miss0r|office> rmu: well.. they treated the need for it :)
[14:46:21] <miss0r|office> created*
[14:46:50] <fragalot> damnit I had a great video somewhere of a trabant on a dragstrip
[14:46:52] <miss0r|office> electrogalvanic corrosion is the name of the game on a land rover :)
[14:46:56] <fragalot> where the first half of the car takes off
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[14:47:23] <rmu> miss0r|office: they protect the rest of the car with the dissolving aluminium panels...
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[14:47:35] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com close enough.
[14:47:57] <miss0r|office> rmu: well, to some extend you are correct :]
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[14:48:05] <rmu> ok, perhaps landrover invented anodic corrosion ;)
[14:48:16] <miss0r|office> :
[14:49:28] <rmu> those real juppy hipster landrover freaks bought one fresh from factory, disassembled it completely, galvanized or KTLed (don't know englisch word) everything and put it back together
[14:49:42] <rmu> paid somebody to do that
[14:49:53] <fragalot> or you could get a satana
[14:51:36] <miss0r|office> rmu: Damn. Well.. I am quite insane as well... I bought a 3mm sheet of steep, and cutout a new fram with a jigsaw. welded it all together and sent it in for hot dip galvanisation
[14:53:05] <fragalot> o.O
[14:53:13] * fragalot offers to loan miss0r|office his plasma cutter
[14:53:19] <fragalot> speaking of which
[14:53:21] <rmu> sheep of steel?
[14:53:34] <fragalot> cutting through 150x150x60mm of cast iron using a jigsaw is madness.
[14:53:43] <sync> rmu: well, that's more or less the only way to make them last
[14:53:52] <miss0r|office> meh... That was 8 year ago... Today I would not touch that project with a 10ft pole
[14:54:01] <miss0r|office> rmu: cold rolled sheep :)
[14:54:24] <fragalot> the lanolin really keeps the rust at bay
[14:54:25] <rmu> sync: yeah, that may be, but nonetheless it is insane
[14:55:04] <rmu> "Sheep of Steel", the new film of aardman studios?
[14:55:26] <sync> on that note, I recently learned that poly-v belts with ribs on both sides are a thing
[14:55:37] <sync> miss0r|office: I hope the sheep you made was an absolute unit
[14:55:58] <fragalot> sync: really? how does that work then
[14:56:04] <miss0r|office> absolutly. You'd be surprised how much a cold rolled sheep can dpo
[14:56:19] <sync> fragalot: like a normal belt
[14:56:24] <sync> just on both sides
[14:56:38] <sync> https://www.picclickimg.com
[14:56:54] <fragalot> oh THOSE sides
[14:56:56] <fragalot> that makes more sense
[14:57:01] <sync> I mean, it makes sense because usually something is driven with just the regular flat side
[14:57:13] * fragalot thought you meant a hybrid standard Vbelt with poly-V on both of the walls
[14:57:28] <rmu> sync: if one side is worn out you can flip it ;)
[14:57:29] <fragalot> which made zero sense :D
[14:57:29] <miss0r|office> fragalot: Now THAT sounds coold
[14:57:44] <miss0r|office> without the d :)
[14:58:11] <miss0r|office> yeah, I thought about making a 'D' joke.. but didn't
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[15:06:37] <fragalot> miss0r|office: your d IS the joke.
[15:07:50] <MarcelineVQ> scorch
[15:09:19] <sync> 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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[16:18:52] <jthornton> wow that drive is a WD 2TB Red drive... swapped the SATA cable and it started up...
[16:19:05] <XXCoder> hey'
[16:19:39] <jthornton> hey, my hard drive in this pc quit a while ago... time to back up I guess
[16:20:04] <XXCoder> isnt backup before quit not after? ;)
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[16:22:27] <jthornton> log
[16:22:27] <russian_troll> jthornton: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net
[16:22:27] <c-log> jthornton: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[16:27:49] <CaptHindsight> rmu: what is the non-acronym version of KTL?
[16:34:15] <CaptHindsight> miss0r|office: https://i.imgur.com anodize and steel that comes in contact with the aluminum
[16:34:37] <CaptHindsight> ^^ anodized cold roll
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[16:47:35] <rmu> CaptHindsight: kathodische tauchlackierung
[16:50:57] <rmu> https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:03:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah that will do it
[17:12:46] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:54:49] <weenerdog> howdy howdy
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[18:05:38] <Tom_L> doody doody
[18:07:31] <jthornton> got some warm weather for the next few days here
[18:07:47] <jthornton> howdy doody
[18:07:50] <Tom_L> it wasn't bad here today
[18:08:01] <Tom_L> haven't had a chance to check the forecast
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[18:09:39] <jthornton> it was mostly calm today so I burned some limbs and crap after making a very large bare spot... damn leaves are thick this year
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[20:11:08] <treats> I'm about to send my first cuts through my machine.
[20:11:26] <treats> I'm playing with softwood before I move onto hardwood -- to test some of my toolpathing, etc..
[20:12:02] <treats> I'm concerned the defaults are too fast for my bits, what's a safe feed rate for a 1/8 bit in wood?
[20:12:12] <Tom_L> you could also test 1" above the material
[20:12:18] <Tom_L> if you're skeptical
[20:12:19] <MarcelineVQ> softwood can tend to tear more instead of cut so you may find the cutting better on hardwood once you move to that
[20:12:42] <LeoNerd> I recently cut some lime at 800mm/min; 6800RPM spindle with 3mm single-flute
[20:12:48] <Tom_L> i always prove the first run above the material
[20:12:50] <MarcelineVQ> for the general menaing of softwood/hardwood anyway, by the technical meaninb balsa is hardwood :>
[20:13:40] <weenerdog> i tend towards light passes in spruce but thats because the englemann spruce i use is kinda pricy
[20:14:12] <weenerdog> its pretty forgiving. but this is hand work, not cnc... your mileage may vary
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[20:46:00] <tiwake> treats: what RPM can you run at?
[20:46:15] <treats> I'm looking at 18k probably
[20:46:24] <tiwake> and yes, a harder wood will cut easier
[20:48:58] <tiwake> treats: probably?
[20:49:52] <treats> Yeah, doesn't really seem that anyone recommends playing with rpm outside of 18k given my tools and material.
[20:49:57] <weenerdog> treats : are you going to use a 1/8" flat nose or round nose? if its feasible, use a round one.
[20:50:12] <treats> feed per tooth and depth of cut seems to be the main levers
[20:50:55] <treats> I'm using a flat nose. It's only for a contour cut after I've cleared everything I could with a 1/4"
[20:51:13] <tiwake> weenerdog: why would that matter?
[20:52:06] <weenerdog> tiwake, again, all my experience is hand routing (a lot of it)... round nose bits tear out less in soft wood
[20:52:28] <tiwake> oh, soft wood, yeah I can see that
[20:52:48] <weenerdog> the spruce i carve is super soft
[20:53:09] <tiwake> a good hardwood though, I would think would be worse with the ball-nose
[20:55:10] <weenerdog> i'd have to show some pics... i held the workpiece in my hands and round nose bits were much more forgiving if i didn't hold it exactly straight...
[20:56:23] <weenerdog> i make arched soundboards for instruments. what i did was profile the inside by intersecting a rhino3d nurbs surface with planes at 1/32" intervals, print, rubber cement to the wood, rout thru the paper to the line, back router out 1/32", go to next line, then next...
[20:56:52] <weenerdog> then mount my router so its a specific distance above a rounded piece of wood to slide the workpiece on
[20:57:24] <weenerdog> so the round knob rides the inside profile. if i tilted it some with a round bit, no problem. with a flat nose, big problem. make sense?
[20:57:40] <tiwake> oh, well, not ridgedly holding the work piece is... bleh
[20:57:56] <weenerdog> well thats why i'm hanging in linuxcnc :)
[20:58:50] <andypugh> weenerdog: Seen this? https://www.shapertools.com
[20:58:53] <weenerdog> i'd love to do it differently. it would save me lots of hours per.
[20:59:54] <tiwake> andypugh: weird
[21:00:04] <andypugh> I think it’s really cool
[21:00:13] <weenerdog> looking andy
[21:00:30] <andypugh> Not cheap. But also not so unreasonable.
[21:00:39] <tiwake> I'm not immediately seeing how it would be useful...
[21:00:58] <andypugh> It’s a CNC router with no size limits that fits in a drawer…
[21:02:17] <tiwake> still not seeing how it would be useful for anything
[21:02:32] <andypugh> Have you ever tried freehand-routing?
[21:02:44] <tiwake> no
[21:03:03] <tiwake> I don't see why I would for anything
[21:03:17] <andypugh> It’s really hard to stay within about 1” of where you need to be. This router handles that last inch
[21:04:10] <weenerdog> i do tons of freehand routing. signs and whatnot. i just print everything and stick it to the wood and freedog it
[21:04:12] <andypugh> Well, obviously it depends on what sort of thing you make. If you are in to structural steelwork then it’s irrelevant to you.
[21:04:49] <tiwake> I could see a use in free-style engraving
[21:04:53] <weenerdog> thats very cool andy
[21:05:17] <weenerdog> but for $2,499 i would build a rad 3 axis rig
[21:05:41] <tiwake> guess I have not worked with wood stuff enough to get really any kind of use-sense of it
[21:06:22] <andypugh> Here is a guy using rhe prototype to make some accurate wooden gears and stuff: https://youtu.be
[21:07:11] <andypugh> The Shaper is good if you need to work on site or don’t have the space to dedicate to a full-sized flatbed router
[21:07:37] <Tom_L> cat lovers.. https://imgur.com
[21:08:03] <andypugh> It’s not better than a fixed-frame router but can do much the same stuff, swith pertability.
[21:08:16] <weenerdog> i could see its use for some joinery tasks
[21:09:21] <tiwake> I would much _much_ rather have a waterjet machine instead
[21:09:23] <tiwake> lol
[21:10:48] <weenerdog> i'm guessing mr. wooden gears has not gotten laid in a very long time
[21:10:49] <andypugh> I want a CNC plasma _now_!. I am in the process of getting quotes to make splash guards for my lathe and they are coming in at around £180 to turn a £30 sheet of steel into the shape I need.
[21:11:30] <andypugh> For that I can buy a good electric nibbler and crawl about on the floor for a day.
[21:12:04] <weenerdog> i know (knew) a guy who electrocuted himself with his plasma rig
[21:12:12] <andypugh> For fun?
[21:12:48] <weenerdog> dunno. i'd have to have a seance to ask him.
[21:13:12] <andypugh> Ah, it went badly then?
[21:13:23] <weenerdog> not for the undertaker
[21:13:29] <andypugh> Hadn’t quite twigged that.
[21:14:05] <weenerdog> i guess puddles of water are shit around a plasma cutter
[21:14:16] <andypugh> Pretty unlucky, I have electrocuted myself many times with a range of voltages and only ever had burns. I thought that Plasma was low voltage, and the HF was low current
[21:14:46] <weenerdog> i picked up a metal bodied electric drill in the basement while standing in a puddle when i was a kid and thought i had killed myself
[21:15:45] <weenerdog> i dunno. maybe he just go the mains good & hard.
[21:15:51] <weenerdog> bad & hard?
[21:16:24] <andypugh> 120V? Or 240?
[21:16:37] <weenerdog> i dont know what it ran on
[21:16:54] <weenerdog> i just know they found him dead beside it
[21:18:00] <weenerdog> i took welding with him years ago and i really didn't see him running anything with a controller. guess i was wrong. temporarily.
[21:19:20] <weenerdog> wonder what he was making. something cool i hope.
[21:20:35] <andypugh> He might just have died, it happens.
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