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[01:20:29] <jesseg> well we got 8 little Kodiak endmills for $52 delivered. They look really nice; haven't tried them out yet.
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[06:48:43] <jthornton> morning
[06:48:58] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:54:37] <sensille> Loetmichel: i now made a sub-d 25 cable. do i need to rework anything inside the control box or just connect it?
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[07:23:13] <weenerdog> howdy
[07:23:43] <XXCoder> hey
[07:23:57] <weenerdog> sup
[07:24:53] <XXCoder> not a lot
[07:37:36] <jthornton> I think I found the problem with my systemd coop.service file :)
[07:38:42] <XXCoder> oh wyhat was issue?
[07:39:25] <jthornton> my ExecStart line did not specify python3 so the library was not found lol
[07:39:54] <XXCoder> doh so it didnt run at all, or missing library so call for time didnt work or something?
[07:41:20] <jthornton> ImportError: No module named 'pytz'
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[07:42:46] <XXCoder> pytz? weird?
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[07:44:16] <jthornton> yea I only have the python3 version installed so apparently when systemd runs the file it ignores the shebang line
[07:45:06] <jthornton> another problem solved lol
[07:45:25] <XXCoder> such a strange error for not found python3
[07:45:44] <XXCoder> or more properly, not specified
[07:50:00] <jthornton> yea odd that it ignored the shebang line that has python3
[07:50:37] <jthornton> also odd is my 2TB WD Red drive that stopped yesterday and now is running fine
[07:51:03] <XXCoder> what errors were it having? checked SMART?
[07:52:02] <jthornton> no errors just no display, can't find smart on here yet
[07:52:27] <XXCoder> linux does have program to read that but no idea on others
[07:52:53] <jthornton> yea I think it is included with bloated gnome looking for it now
[07:53:27] <XXCoder> wow I love the effect filing but shopwing cuts but not files https://www.youtube.com
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[07:54:46] <XXCoder> hes making play logo youtube without using any power tools just fles
[07:57:41] <XXCoder> lol now grooving chisel "no tool magically cutting" effect also
[07:58:51] <weenerdog> pretty work
[08:01:29] <weenerdog> be funnier if he made a linuxcnc or fanuc logo like that
[08:01:43] <XXCoder> I made new version of linuxcnc logo
[08:02:02] <XXCoder> so far nobodys interesting on swapping logos so we can use larger logos
[08:02:13] <XXCoder> (vector since orginial is not_
[08:02:27] <weenerdog> penguin beating the keys with his flippers?
[08:02:27] <jthornton> yea vector is better
[08:02:55] <XXCoder> I still think eyes isnt perfect on my version but otherwise its done]
[08:04:47] <jthornton> smart tests are all ok so maybe it was the sata cord dunno
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[08:06:53] <Tom_L> happy friday...
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[08:07:21] <jthornton> yea!
[08:07:28] <jthornton> you getting any rain over there?
[08:07:30] <XXCoder> yay
[08:07:49] <XXCoder> know whats better than friday?
[08:08:01] <XXCoder> friday when been working and under the weather
[08:08:06] <jdh> a week of.
[08:08:09] <XXCoder> yay finally dont have to work
[08:11:29] <weenerdog> thats cool
[08:11:51] <weenerdog> its gonna be up to 50 here today. i got a bunch of stuff to do around here.
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[08:14:50] <jthornton> it already is 50°F here and if the rain holds out I'll burn a bunch of branches
[08:15:23] <XXCoder> mid-40s f all week, and 30s f most nights here
[08:15:29] <XXCoder> temperates very stable here usually
[08:15:38] <XXCoder> yours is quite wild varancy compared to here
[08:21:17] <weenerdog> if my dad wasn't old and frail and needs a lot of help, i'd have moved to clarkston, wa 3 years ago
[08:29:46] <XXCoder> my dad died years ago, but same time he was 71 years old and had lerkemia for 10 years
[08:38:42] <XXCoder> oops I meant 76
[08:38:46] <XXCoder> he'd be 92 now
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[08:54:04] <weenerdog> hey just what i need "Learn Solidworks in 5 Minutes! | Solidworks Tutorial" https://www.youtube.com
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[08:55:13] <XXCoder> nice
[08:55:18] <XXCoder> i dont use solidworks but nice
[08:56:21] <jthornton> getting old sucks, took me 10 minutes to remember where I put Dad after the last furniture shuffle
[08:57:57] <jthornton> must be 5 minutes of crap if you can learn in 5 with a 10 minute video
[08:59:49] <XXCoder> 5 minutes of intro and outro
[09:00:47] <jthornton> now I need to figure out what the linux path to the nas is so I can get borg to backup
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[10:41:26] <sensille> on a 6040, would you call the 60cm the x-axis and the 40cm the y-axis? where is the 0/0 normally?
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[10:46:39] <jthornton> machine home is Z all the way up, Y all the way out and X is usually all the way left
[10:48:03] <sync> on a vertical milling machine 0/0 is usually in the left rear corner
[10:48:17] <sync> and Z0 is at the table
[10:48:29] <sync> although the numbers don't matter much, but the directions do
[10:52:01] <rmu> you want a right-handed coordinate system ;)
[10:54:59] <sensille> ok, thanks
[10:59:01] <Loetmichel> sensille: just connect it
[10:59:05] <Loetmichel> should work fine
[10:59:34] <Loetmichel> ... if you have the pinout right in stepconf ,)
[10:59:38] <Loetmichel> :-)
[10:59:57] <Loetmichel> sensille: the coordinate system depends on where you look from
[11:00:11] <Loetmichel> my 6040 sits sideways, so my gantry moves in x
[11:01:22] <Loetmichel> but if you sit "in front" of it (looking on the nut of the gantry ballscrew) then the gantry moves in y and the spindle moves ON the gantry in x and z
[11:07:01] <JT-Shop> z0 at the table is bad bad bad when you home if you have a tool in you crash!!!!
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[11:11:57] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: you can set home so it is at say 24" (so 0 is the table)
[11:12:16] <JT-Shop> yea you can do that safely
[11:12:26] <skunkworks> The K&T is kinda like that... (just because that is how it was originally)
[11:13:01] <sensille> Loetmichel: i think i nearly have it. a few values are still unclear: pulse widths for the steppers, dir setup/hold, enable1/enable2, max feedrate, max accel
[11:13:11] <JT-Shop> I assume it still homes Z up to max?
[11:13:19] <sensille> but i just got my first successful testrun :)
[11:13:48] <sensille> Loetmichel: do you have pictures where you mounted your endstops?
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[11:14:33] <sensille> Loetmichel: and the spindle can only be controlled manually, right?
[11:14:55] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: yes
[11:15:38] <skunkworks> Y homes all the way up which is 36"
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[11:15:58] <sensille> and i set z0 to the topmost position, 0 to -75mm
[11:16:03] <skunkworks> it could be 0 but then all machine moves would be negative.. (not that is a big deal(
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[11:17:29] <Loetmichel> sensille: http://www.cyrom.org
[11:17:51] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[11:17:57] <Loetmichel> the x axis (gantry movement is on the lft side behind the rail, no pic of that, sorry
[11:18:00] <gloops> cheap engineering quality screw there
[11:18:19] <Loetmichel> no, you sould set z0 to er11 hitting table
[11:18:45] <Loetmichel> and your endstop on z-80 or so, depending on how fat z can move
[11:18:55] <Loetmichel> oh sorry, your ref switch
[11:20:03] <sensille> would a microswitch without lever do?
[11:20:09] <gregcnc> methods_ clausing doesn't have the spindle so they sent a print
[11:21:49] <gregcnc> a couple guys might have parts on the clausing yahoo group.
[11:22:04] <Loetmichel> it would do, but you will ram into the end of the travel every ref time then because they have not enough "pressing lenght" after the click for the axis to do a decelleration rammp
[11:22:25] <sensille> Loetmichel: what, z moving upwards as positive?
[11:22:30] <Loetmichel> yes
[11:22:38] <Loetmichel> into the workpiece is negative
[11:22:43] <sensille> hm
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[11:27:37] <sensille> and you just drilled/tapped holes to mount the endstops?
[11:30:24] <Loetmichel> yes
[11:30:36] <Loetmichel> 2,1mm drill, M2.5 tapped
[11:41:11] <methods_> gregcnc: ah that's great of them
[11:41:14] <methods_> wish everyone would do that
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[11:43:40] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: what happened to the spindle?
[11:44:45] <gregcnc> dropped something between the jaws and ways. Didn't realize how bad the damage was until my chuck was .005" TIR the other day
[11:46:42] <gregcnc> The print calls says this shaft is 44-52HRC. doesn't seem that hard. anyhow i'm hoping someone in the clausing group has one.
[11:49:43] <gregcnc> I did find a nice Harrison on Ebay close by, but everyone wants 5kUSD for a lathe today
[11:55:21] <CaptHindsight> https://milwaukee.craigslist.org
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[12:06:37] <weenerdog> https://greenville.craigslist.org
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[12:11:57] <Loetmichel> maaan... that'll be fun on monday and tuesday... just finished another one of these: http://www.cyrom.org ... each plate can hold 4 units... i need 24 units 'til tuesday evening... and have only material left for 8... anyone knows a source of 500mm by 1000mm b y 8mm hard PVC black sheets around seligenstadt, germany that i can fetch monday
[12:11:58] <Loetmichel> morning? (and some new dirtbags for the vacuum ;)
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[12:16:55] <roycroft> looks like a lot of schmutz to me
[12:19:45] <fragalot> There is only zuul.
[12:22:21] <roycroft> there is also vinz clortho
[12:23:08] <CaptHindsight> I thought schmutz was more oily
[12:24:41] <roycroft> schmutz literally means "dirt"
[12:24:59] <gregcnc> i thought that was smegma
[12:25:49] <Loetmichel> roycroft: and tha bad thing is that that swarf is electrostatic (being PVC) and clings to ANY surface including you ;)
[12:26:54] <Loetmichel> roycroft: "schmutzig" is dirty "schmutz" is more like grime
[12:27:11] <Loetmichel> not dirt in the "plant your flowers in" sense
[12:28:12] <Loetmichel> THAT dirt would be called "Dreck" in german
[12:28:37] <Loetmichel> (soil is the word i couldnt remember)
[12:32:38] <roycroft> yeah, grime would be a better translation
[12:32:49] <roycroft> i used the correct word, i just translated it wrong :)
[12:33:40] <Loetmichel> indeed
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[13:12:01] <Tom_L> 44°F & cloudy but no rain yet
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[13:35:19] <weenerdog> 49 drizzle here
[13:41:15] <sensille> Loetmichel: now for the spoilboard... really double sided tape? will i ever be able to clean it again?
[13:42:21] <Loetmichel> depends on the tape ;)
[13:43:23] <gloops> acetone or cellulose thinners if on metal
[13:44:28] <fragalot> i've got this purpose made glue remover I use a lot from HG
[13:44:49] <Loetmichel> sensille: i have spray cans with "solvent 50" at the company... that stuff can get rid of ANY "tape glue" stuff
[13:44:51] <fragalot> dab on, let it soak for a few seconds, and most if not all common sticker or tape glues just wipe off
[13:44:56] <Loetmichel> and dont attack most plastics
[13:45:02] <fragalot> ^
[13:45:14] <gloops> warm it up
[13:45:35] <gloops> the high built crap you can scrape off
[13:46:26] <Loetmichel> or use pure orange oil from the "reformhaus"....
[13:46:37] <Loetmichel> it will solve ANY glue related problem
[13:46:42] <Loetmichel> and smell nice
[13:46:54] <fragalot> 'the hell is a reformhaus
[13:47:26] <sensille> :)
[13:47:27] <Loetmichel> fragalot: a place where to get "organic" foods and household items
[13:47:44] <fragalot> I see
[13:47:54] <Loetmichel> in germany
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[16:31:15] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:33:52] <gloops> hmm, i need to make some of these https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[16:55:48] <JT-Shop> can you make them for < 20 pounds?
[16:57:14] <gloops> yeah, bit of angle iron lol
[16:58:52] <JT-Shop> lol, not as pretty I imagine but functional
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[17:42:09] <Loetmichel> gloops: the small ones for the vice are BS
[17:42:23] <Loetmichel> they dont wor that well
[17:42:37] <Loetmichel> or have clearance for even moderately large bends
[17:42:49] <SpeedEvil> They work fine for small enough pieces
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[17:42:56] <weenerdog> howdy
[17:43:17] <Loetmichel> i would prefer to build one on the base of a bottle jack shop press
[17:43:17] <SpeedEvil> But yeah, bending reasonable sized stuff takes unreasonable forces.
[17:43:29] <Loetmichel> where you have front and back room as you see fit
[17:43:31] * SpeedEvil wants a 100 ton hydraulic press.
[17:43:46] <Loetmichel> dont need to be 100 ton
[17:43:58] <SpeedEvil> I don't have the accent anyway.
[17:44:09] <Loetmichel> a simple I-beam frame and a 20 ton truck bottle jack can do wonders to bend stuff
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[17:47:48] * JT-Shop feels small he only has a 50 ton press brake
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[18:11:21] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: 50 ton bottle jacks are hard to come by
[18:11:27] <Loetmichel> 20 ton are pretty common
[18:11:41] <jthornton> mine is not a bottle jack :)
[18:11:52] <Loetmichel> also if you selfbuild the frame its a lot less "prone to accident" to do it for 20 ton
[18:12:35] <Loetmichel> 50 ton on a steel i beam frame and you need serious engineering math... 20 ton you can get buy with "gut feeling +100%"
[18:12:40] <Loetmichel> by
[18:13:20] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[18:13:26] <Loetmichel> buying is easy if you have the money. selfbuilding makes proud ;)
[18:13:50] <jthornton> I built the press brake but had the 50 H frame press already
[18:14:08] <Loetmichel> yeah, that would work as well
[18:14:24] <jthornton> it has a back gauge as well
[18:14:33] <Loetmichel> the bending V and -knife is pretty easy to do
[18:15:41] <jthornton> more photos here http://gnipsel.com
[18:16:08] <Loetmichel> one of the contract manufacturers for our company has a big trump CNC punch and a big trump CNC brake
[18:17:20] <Loetmichel> cant remember the tonnage but it can bend half inch steel on 8 feet width
[18:17:47] <Loetmichel> oh sorry
[18:17:57] <Loetmichel> quarter inch, not half inch
[18:18:12] <Loetmichel> (get a bit confused with that imperial stuff sometimes)
[18:18:23] <Loetmichel> (6mm thick steel and 2.5 meters width)
[18:18:52] <Loetmichel> and the punch can cut full size quarter inch steel sheets as well
[18:19:45] <Loetmichel> ... you can feel it punching 6mm steel across the street on the sidewalk though...
[18:19:52] <jthornton> that's a big one for sure
[18:21:53] * Loetmichel was watching him bend small parts for another customer lately (enclosure about the size of a box of cigarettes made of 1,5mm galvanized steel)... THATS a job i dont want to have...
[18:22:12] * jthornton tries to figure out how to use borg to backup to the nas...
[18:22:21] <Loetmichel> that big knife coming down while your fingers are literally half an inch away from the blade
[18:22:48] <Loetmichel> .... and thats coming from one that does things like this: https://www.youtube.com
[18:23:36] <jthornton> looks safe enough to me :)
[18:27:15] <Loetmichel> i mean: all that the mill bit can do is damage some fingers or bones... been there done that, have the xray to prove it... but getting your fingers into a hydraulic driven monster like that? no thanks... there is nothing left to sew back on if something goes wrong there
[18:27:46] <Loetmichel> at least i only lost some bone material and had to wait till the thumb nail had regrown ;)
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[19:18:26] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: that bender well it does depend on user case
[19:19:57] <XXCoder> ohhh https://www.youtube.com
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[20:08:14] <weenerdog> howdy again
[20:08:46] <XXCoder> wb
[20:14:35] <infornography> ello
[20:15:15] <XXCoder> llo
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[21:20:24] <XXCoder> so now I have 2 copies of a vismach config lol
[21:20:38] <XXCoder> the orginal and one that comes with linuxcnc update. feels bit weird.
[21:20:53] <XXCoder> kinda "wow I did this."
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[21:37:23] <weenerdog> i felt the same way when my gf faked an orgasm once :)
[21:38:01] <XXCoder> lol
[21:39:07] <MarcelineVQ> "She pretended to have an orgasm, I​ pretended to pay the rent."
[21:39:12] <weenerdog> lololol
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[21:45:47] <XXCoder> lol
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[22:08:52] <weenerdog> ./topic CNCOrgasms
[22:09:17] <weenerdog> that would be a cool channel name. lol for off-topic bullshit
[22:13:53] <XXCoder> guess so
[22:25:21] <weenerdog> back in the 90s me and some friends had a channel on undernet called #llamasex
[22:25:50] <weenerdog> it was the side channel for a c programming chan. but eventually it got known for providing real good help
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[23:14:29] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
[23:20:57] <weenerdog> steel dust. the OTHER other white meat
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[23:33:25] <XXCoder> 10 year old video dang
[23:33:44] <XXCoder> no wonder I had to wipe dust off my montior few times so far
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[23:37:38] <XXCoder> flyback: wow interesting video so far.
[23:40:56] <weenerdog> i watched the whole thing
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[23:43:11] <weenerdog> saving the children from steel dust
[23:43:20] <weenerdog> word! muhfukka!
[23:43:39] <weenerdog> when i was a kid, we rassled in steel dust
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[23:44:27] <weenerdog> the rust belt was a rasslin trophy
[23:45:26] <XXCoder> well "im ok therefore its ok for everyone" never weas a valid argument
[23:45:41] <weenerdog> true enough
[23:48:46] <weenerdog> what kinda workstations were those hooked up to the whatchyacallit kiln? old hps?
[23:50:39] <weenerdog> i did visiting support for a leather cutting system that ran on hp9000 "work"stations back in the mid 90s
[23:51:20] <weenerdog> hpux rhymes with _______ :)
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[23:53:12] <weenerdog> howdy Mongrel_Shark
[23:54:03] <weenerdog> can you tell me how to get Command & Conquer for linux to run? everyone else has /ignored me
[23:56:20] <Tom_L> why did they do that?
[23:56:26] <weenerdog> lol
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[23:58:39] <weenerdog> man i'll be glad when my tracybear gets home