#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-12-10
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[03:51:21] <XXCoder> ayaynawm
[04:07:25] <sensille> does this look ok to mount small workpieces vertically? https://www.sorotec.de
[04:10:31] <XXCoder> looks like its made to hold small parts and even rods
[04:10:39] <cpresser> yes, you might want to get some parallels together with that vise to set the vertical height
[04:10:41] <XXCoder> rods, vertically or horzionally
[04:12:46] <sensille> ah, because of those small notches
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[05:55:54] <jthornton> morning
[06:07:28] <Tom_L> hello
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[06:13:31] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[06:18:39] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[06:18:48] <XXCoder> sensille: yeah
[06:19:09] <XXCoder> i'd suggest make soft jaws with larger notches if need to mill a rofd
[06:19:14] <jthornton> hey XXCoder
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[07:33:11] <XXCoder> pretty nice sin/cos tutorial, from machinist side https://www.youtube.com
[07:33:32] <XXCoder> im watching as funny jokes than learning as maths pretty easy to me
[07:37:39] <jthornton> hmm cc is not working for me :(
[07:38:40] <XXCoder> this old tony cc? its autocaptions you have to turn it on in settings if you meant that videp
[07:41:50] <jthornton> odd, never had to do that before
[07:42:26] <XXCoder> regular captions button show by default but not for autocaptions
[07:42:38] <XXCoder> nowdays autocaptions is quite good. I still remember few years ago lol
[07:43:30] <jthornton> prob something I set in the old pc but forgot... like I said a million things to get setup with a new pc
[07:43:47] <XXCoder> yeah fresh install "smell" lol
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[08:07:48] * miss0r feels like bragging:
[08:08:13] <miss0r> After 10 years in the works, I now have license plates on my 1972 8(" series three landrover. :)
[08:08:28] <miss0r> 88"*
[08:08:57] <jthornton> cool got a photo of it?
[08:10:08] <miss0r> yeah. hang on
[08:15:00] <miss0r> https://imgur.com
[08:15:13] <miss0r> paintjob will wait till this summer, when the weather is nice again ;)
[08:15:34] <miss0r> I uploaded two photos; so you can also see that it looks good underneath :)
[08:15:56] <jthornton> I was wondering for a second what the thing on the hood was then I remembered they put the spare tire there
[08:16:42] <jthornton> geez looks brand new underneath
[08:16:59] <miss0r> I welded that fram up from scratch ;)
[08:17:15] <miss0r> I started with a flat sheet of steel and just cut'n welded from there ;)
[08:17:23] <jthornton> old frame rusted out?
[08:17:35] <miss0r> yeah.. It was gone
[08:17:53] <miss0r> hmm.. I have an album on photobucket with a picture of the old frame, hang on
[08:19:16] <miss0r> if you go to this link and just press the arrow in the left of the picture, theres alot of photos of the old frame & the new buildup: http://s820.photobucket.com
[08:21:41] <miss0r> When you see the photos, you will realize that "old frame rusted out" is quite the understatement :)
[08:22:41] <rmu> "grinder and paint make you the welder you ain't"
[08:24:09] <jthornton> hmm only the one photo of it sitting on the lorry
[08:24:21] <miss0r> you can't navigate?
[08:24:35] <jthornton> only to the right and that is something else
[08:24:44] <miss0r> huh...
[08:24:49] <miss0r> gimmi' a sec
[08:24:52] <rmu> this http://s820.photobucket.com works better
[08:25:53] <miss0r> Yeah, indeed. Just go to the last page and roll backwards
[08:26:03] <miss0r> That album/profile there was created for the land rover project
[08:26:18] <XXCoder> miss0r: outer looks ok. under is amazing
[08:26:31] <rmu> that was some serious reconstruction... i hope you can enjoy it for a long time
[08:26:35] <miss0r> although, some other stuff has found its way in there. but nothing I am too ashamed of :)
[08:27:01] <miss0r> XXCoder: yeah. The outside paintjob will wait for this summer :) I don't want to be freezing while I am doing it :)
[08:27:06] <miss0r> rmu: Thanks. I hope so too
[08:27:58] <miss0r> rmu: I started this project in 2010. Worked on it for two years & life got in the way.
[08:28:07] * rmu probably watched too many of those "stupid drivers". i would be heartbroken if somebody ruined my self-rebuilt car, esp. after 10 years of work
[08:28:10] <miss0r> I started back up around 4 or 5 months ago, and completed the job
[08:28:28] <XXCoder> just dont drive in russia... and washington state
[08:29:23] <miss0r> XXCoder: With this type car other drivers should mind me as well... THEIR car is MY crumble zone :D
[08:29:24] <rmu> i guess it happens everywhere
[08:29:33] <XXCoder> lol
[08:29:54] <miss0r> the front bumper is steel bolted directly to the steel frame.. :)
[08:30:00] <miss0r> the rear "bumber" IS the steel frame
[08:30:07] <rmu> how much wire did you use?
[08:30:19] <miss0r> rmu: around 15kgs
[08:30:32] <miss0r> (if I recall correctly)
[08:30:38] <miss0r> Not as much as I feared ;)
[08:32:23] <rmu> i would have guessed 2-3 times that amount... but i'm no welder
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[08:38:22] <miss0r> I might very well be remembering wrong; it is 7ish years ago I did the welding :) and I am no welder either
[08:38:37] <miss0r> well.. apart from having done alot of welding - Not a welder by trade, that is
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[09:01:02] <gregcnc> looks like more rust than rover?
[09:01:25] <XXCoder> thats amazing. a traveling collection of rust
[09:01:46] <miss0r> gregcnc: yeah.. :D
[09:01:59] <miss0r> it is... SO MUCH rust on the shop floor while taking it apart
[09:02:37] <gregcnc> did you essentially build a new chassis?
[09:03:18] <miss0r> I did. You can see the process on the link rmu pasted
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[09:03:39] <gregcnc> yes, just confiriming
[09:03:45] <JT-Shop> game camera confirms I'm feeding the feral cat which I want to hang around and not a coon or opossum
[09:04:44] <miss0r> jt-shop: You want the cat to hang around to kill off pests?
[09:05:01] <XXCoder> opossum is great on eating ticks
[09:05:53] <JT-Shop> miss0r: yes, we have wood rats (big ones) and mice
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[09:06:07] <JT-Shop> wood rats love to eat trucks and cars wiring
[09:06:23] <miss0r> hehe. I live next to a farm where they have 15-20 feral cats they feed.. NO RATS around here :D
[09:06:27] <JT-Shop> so are guineas but I don't want either one
[09:06:54] <JT-Shop> that's what I'm hoping for so I can get my truck out of the shop... it takes up way too much room lol
[09:08:09] <miss0r> :S You need to get rid of ticks to get the car out? :D
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[09:34:02] <jthornton> hoping the feral cat kills all the rats and mice so I can get my truck out...
[09:36:10] <jesseg> you know an alternative to feral cats is weasles. They are the cutest little thing every. They are rather like super tiny cats with a self-image larger than the average housecat. They will catch a rat their own size and eat it.
[09:36:22] <jthornton> wow Monique laid a 75 gram egg...
[09:37:00] <jthornton> problem with weasels is they like to eat chicken blood too... so I have a few traps out for them as well
[09:38:05] <jesseg> jthornton, I once had a chicken that was super silly. Not bright at all. But she gave us nice olive drab green eggs. But one day she knew the egg was ready but she put off going to the nest box till a little too late. When she decided to head that way, she walked over and jumped up into the nest box which was about 2 feet up off the ground.
[09:38:48] <jesseg> Problem is the egg popped out mid air while she was in flight up to the nest box. No problem, though, she got all cozy in the next box then started cackling about her newly laid egg.
[09:38:56] <jesseg> but it was on the floor
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[10:13:36] <jthornton> my neighbor had one lay an egg on the ramp and it was balanced on a cleat lol
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[12:08:19] <Wolf__> miss0r: I think ya have my planned early bronco restoration beat with the amount of work in that rover lol and be glad you dont have to worry about hitting on of the trucks I built bumpers for https://i.imgur.com 12.5mm or 19mm steel plate + 4.8mm or 6.35mm tube for the tail lights depending on application
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[12:35:57] <PL7icnc> Someone here on Mesa Firmware Modification
[12:39:21] <rmu> PL7icnc: just ask, in time somebody will read it and get back to you
[12:40:32] <PL7icnc> i got a 7i92m running but i dont like the way ir workes on the given bitfiles
[12:40:58] <PL7icnc> Question Can i as a Newbe make mye own bitfile
[12:41:22] <PL7icnc> All documentations are on older Pci FPGA
[12:41:39] <PL7icnc> and the Software Used is no longer available
[12:41:53] <rmu> PL7icnc: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[12:41:57] <pcw_home> what software?
[12:42:15] <PL7icnc> the xlink
[12:42:17] <pcw_home> all older version of webpack are available from Xilinx
[12:42:48] <PL7icnc> will this make also bitfiles for the 7i92
[12:43:26] <pcw_home> I use 14.7 on Linux, works fine (you need 9.X for the older Spartan II stuff)
[12:44:14] <PL7icnc> ok will this run on the uspace kernal of debian 9
[12:44:34] <pcw_home> its kernel agnostic
[12:45:22] <rmu> PL7icnc: perhaps you should state your real problem, without any FPGA experience rolling you own bitfiles probably won't get you very far
[12:47:43] <PL7icnc> rmu, yiu may be right as pcw also mailed me
[12:47:58] <PL7icnc> its a hell of terning all signals by relais
[12:48:28] <PL7icnc> also on power up all drivers get waeard as no control is on
[12:48:54] <PL7icnc> 7i92 needs power bevor Linuxcnc gets started
[12:49:09] <PL7icnc> the Parport behaves the Other way
[12:49:28] <PL7icnc> First Linuxcnc then Power mashine
[12:49:59] <PL7icnc> This makes a Full refit of the Cabinett
[12:50:15] <PL7icnc> Second main logic power units
[12:50:23] <pcw_home> This is not fixable in firmware (and parallel port do not have defied states at power up)
[12:50:26] <PL7icnc> 2 Maionswitches
[12:51:01] <PL7icnc> pcw_home, they do not need them as the Controll is running bevor the mashine
[12:51:22] <rmu> PL7icnc: wire machine-power or servo enable through a relais
[12:52:03] <pcw_home> yes Estop circuitry should disable everything before startup
[12:53:09] <PL7icnc> i got time so i will try to interfear the bitfile
[12:53:10] <rmu> PL7icnc: you should also consider the case that power-loss or arbitrary components of your machine should not lead to unsafe or runaway conditions
[12:53:26] <pcw_home> This cannot be fixed in the firmware
[12:54:18] <PL7icnc> But i can get the stepgens to my way
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[12:54:56] <pcw_home> yes if you renumber the stepgens so you dont have any on pins you wish to be GPIO
[12:55:29] <pcw_home> or just use GPIO on the second connector
[12:55:31] <PL7icnc> IS THIS A MORE EASY TASK
[12:56:08] <PL7icnc> the second connector is in a second cabinett
[12:56:27] <PL7icnc> its a 2 mashine one frame setup
[12:56:31] * Loetmichel sometimes ask himself in which imaginary world his boss lives... he has invited the customer to do technical acceptance for 24 PCs tomorrow... of which we have ONE 90% done. 5 PCs have 70% of the parts milled already, the remaining 18 still have 70% of the parts to be manufactured on the CNC mill... Not to mention any assembling of the PCs... sometimes my boss acts a bit like trump...
[12:56:31] * Loetmichel :-(
[12:57:10] <PL7icnc> so i like to switch mashines in one G-code
[12:57:28] <PL7icnc> worked sall on parport
[12:57:41] <pcw_home> Most serious breakouts have a chargepump so that the BIOS/OS port probe at startup does not randomly twiddle I/O bits
[12:57:44] <PL7icnc> i will get throu this
[12:58:37] <PL7icnc> pcw_home, not needed as PC and LinuxCnc is running bevor the Main mashine switch
[12:59:30] <pcw_home> If that's the case, the initial 7I92 I/O states don't matter
[13:00:14] <PL7icnc> no the 7i92 needs to be powerd bevor the Linuxcnc runs
[13:00:34] <PL7icnc> so all pins are High all Relais are on
[13:00:44] <pcw_home> Thats fine, you said the machine was not enabled at this point
[13:01:25] <pcw_home> relay state should be a no-op in Estop
[13:01:55] <PL7icnc> e-stop shuts down logic power as all relais are 5V
[13:02:33] <PL7icnc> i will solve the srtepgen numbering first
[13:02:55] <PL7icnc> and free pins 89 16 17
[13:03:23] <PL7icnc> let me by a new Harddrive and start on
[13:03:29] <crazyben> sorry, but can someone tell me what kind of kernel (rt? rtai?)I have? 4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:03:44] <PL7icnc> https://www.youtube.com
[13:04:22] <PL7icnc> crazyben, this is the right one debian stretch Uspace
[13:04:51] <PL7icnc> pcw_home, this video gives me the start
[13:05:56] <crazyben> PL7icnc, thank you - I am still having trouble with it and ethercat
[13:08:02] <PL7icnc> crazyben, i did strugle with the mesa hm_eth but it workes gret now
[13:08:06] <rmu> crazyben: did you try adding the missing header file?
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[13:10:15] <crazyben> rmu, not yet. I I found something within dmesg that confuses me
[13:11:08] <crazyben> rmu, these are the messages: [ 827.082545] perf: interrupt took too long (2512 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 79500 [ 1077.783308] NOHZ: local_softirq_pending 80
[13:11:46] <rmu> crazyben: report back when you did
[13:12:48] <pcw_home> crazyben: that's harmless AFAIK
[13:13:41] <rmu> in linuxcnc-ethercat file src/lcec_main.c, can you add #include "rtapi_mutex.h" after #include "rtapi_app.h" and rebuild lcec?
[13:13:56] <rmu> crazyben: in linuxcnc-ethercat file src/lcec_main.c, can you add #include "rtapi_mutex.h" after #include "rtapi_app.h" and rebuild lcec?
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[13:14:42] <rmu> it seems the header file is not included so the C compiler uses some inferred definition of rtapi_mutex_get instead of the inline impl, causing the missing symbol error when loading lcec.so
[13:24:23] <crazyben> rmu, looks a bit better. I dont have connection to the machine yet as I have to clean and reinstall ethercat
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[14:14:37] <Papagno> Hi at all. On actual master have a problem with spindle at speed pin. If command m3 s10000 and abort first the receive signal spindle at speed = true and affter command g1 z-10 f100 , the g1 not is executed remain append and cnc in run . the axis wait spindle at speed, but i first have abort .this is test on actual master. the same problem is with M5 first the receive spindle at speed = true
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[17:00:40] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:01:06] <jthornton> yea I got to work today and tomorrow too
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[18:34:14] <Roguish> hey, anyone work for Generous Motors?
[18:41:12] <Roguish> looks like they're not sooooo Generous any more.....
[18:43:52] <andypugh> Hmm?
[18:45:03] <Roguish> shutting 5 factories.
[18:46:41] <andypugh> Yes, I think all the car manufacturers are looking to reduce capacity. I think there is a feeling we have passed “peak car”
[18:47:09] <andypugh> Which in some ways is a good thing. Unless you work at a car plant.
[18:47:23] <andypugh> Guess where I work....
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[19:39:48] <Tom_L> andypugh, for now at least :(
[19:40:13] <andypugh> It feels like tome for a change anyway.
[19:40:25] <andypugh> 10 years in the same job? (Yawn)
[19:40:46] <Tom_L> what industry would you like to try?
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[19:41:15] <Tom_L> spacex maybe...
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[19:43:05] <andypugh> I did apply for a job developing delivery drones for Amazon
[19:43:38] <andypugh> (As a caver I am not sure I want to be anywhere near Musk)
[19:46:23] <Contract_Pilot> Sup.
[19:48:07] <andypugh> Hai
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[22:32:46] <Roguish> andypugh: Tesla is just a few miles from me. and I have stock in 'em.
[22:38:15] <Roguish> Musk is a bit of a loose cannon. But he's working it hard. Tesla is way out front of all the other electric cars. All the way around.
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[22:39:29] <Roguish> and Amazon has a research kinda place in the Sil Valley too. probably where the drone work is done. Come on over across the pond !!!!!
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[23:06:01] <Samiam1999> Amazon, Walmart and several other drones are all based on ROS fyi
[23:09:30] <Samiam1999> Newest version of ROS 2 "Crystal Cleemys" comes out in a couple of weeks incase your interested https://index.ros.org
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