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[02:49:01] <PL7icnc> pcw_home, still online
[02:50:09] <PL7icnc> pcw_mesa, Online
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[03:44:40] <PL7icnc> is there somone here named Andy in Forum or BigT
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[04:36:43] <rmu> PL7icnc: just ask
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[05:17:46] <Deejay> moin
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[05:59:03] <Tom_L> 23°F Hi 57... looks like spring is back
[06:04:38] <jthornton> 21°F High 49°F and sunny yep spring
[06:05:34] <XXCoder> heys
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[07:31:13] <PL7icnc> Someone here of Modaerator forum
[07:31:30] <PL7icnc> All i Post is gone away
[07:31:42] <PL7icnc> Am i missing somthing
[07:34:41] <jthornton> did you just register?
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[07:35:47] <PL7icnc> yes about 3hr ago
[07:36:28] <jthornton> you have to wait for a moderator to approve your first post
[07:36:52] <jthornton> that is to weed out spammers
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[07:40:28] <PL7icnc> ok
[07:40:51] <PL7icnc> You arent BigJ in the Forum
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[07:43:37] <jthornton> aye
[07:43:57] <jthornton> not big anymore lol lost 65 pounds of extra weight
[07:44:50] <PL7icnc> Can You compile a Mesa Bit if i provide pin and vhd
[07:45:03] <PL7icnc> for 7i92
[07:45:24] <PL7icnc> i realy need to change this
[07:46:14] <jthornton> no, I've never done that... Peter is the man for that job
[07:47:29] <PL7icnc> i did send him the files if you are on pcw
[07:49:37] <rmu> PL7icnc: it is not _that_ hard to do yourself, see http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[07:51:04] <PL7icnc> yes but it needs 7GB Download
[07:52:33] <rmu> ok, that may be an issue...
[07:52:49] <Tom_L> depends how bad you want it
[07:53:21] <PL7icnc> Bad ?
[07:53:50] <PL7icnc> i changed the vhd file and the pin
[07:55:08] <Tom_L> i would do it but i'm walking out the door for a few hrs
[07:55:37] <Tom_L> pcw will likely be awake in a few hrs
[07:56:11] <jthornton> he is usually up pretty early
[07:58:32] <PL7icnc> What Timezone is he In
[07:58:55] <PL7icnc> Is this Mesa Direct
[07:59:05] <rmu> pcw is mesa
[07:59:29] <jthornton> Peter is in California
[07:59:34] <rmu> probably UTC-8
[07:59:50] <PL7icnc> i got Time
[08:00:00] <PL7icnc> 26th Jan next Event
[08:00:40] <PL7icnc> ok Thank you all for the Information im Off
[08:00:44] <rmu> i would try to get the download ;)
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[08:13:54] * jthornton finally figured out the right qbutton thing to look for...
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[14:12:16] <sensille> with a largish gcode file loaded (5MB), jogging via keyboard gets very sluggish. is that normal?
[14:13:09] <gloops> cant say ive noticed that
[14:13:38] <sensille> correlation count: 1
[14:13:55] <sensille> first time larger gcode file, first time sluggish
[14:15:10] <gloops> so like lagging? not a command in the g code
[14:16:00] <gloops> i had around 50000 lines loaded didnt notice anything
[14:17:31] <sensille> the gcode runs fine, but jogging has lag, yes. especially if i relase a key, it continues for several 1/10s
[14:21:09] <gloops> touch off etc before loading would get around it i suppose
[14:23:06] <sensille> when it's finished i'll load a short file and see if it goes away
[14:23:21] <gloops> good idea
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[14:23:43] <sensille> also f360's adaptive clearing fails to convince me yet
[14:25:43] <gloops> ChunkyPuffs was saying its great - ive not tried it yet, whats the issue you see with it?
[14:30:01] <skunkworks> ls
[14:30:06] <sensille> it's making so many movements that the surfaces don't look good, but that is probably due to my cheap machine. also i have no experience, so don't put any weight on my opinion.
[14:31:15] <gloops> maybe some trial and error required, finishing pass etc for a good finish, im hoping to try it out over the xmas holiday
[14:44:47] <syyl> adaptive is a roughing strategy
[14:45:21] <syyl> and it allows to work shitty materials dry, with bad lubrication or at all
[14:45:33] <gloops> excellent
[14:45:57] <syyl> but its not the saviour of machining as some people want to put it
[14:46:11] <syyl> sometimes its just stupid slow ;)
[14:48:08] <gregcnc> but you don't want to slot the stupid way
[14:49:37] <gloops> its better to watch anyway
[14:49:53] <gregcnc> watch?
[14:50:17] <syyl> AAAARG
[14:50:25] <syyl> just because one person cant slot on a cnc
[14:50:32] <gregcnc> lol
[14:50:55] <syyl> i want to bang my head against the wall when i see contouring of parts by adaptive slotting
[14:51:05] <syyl> thats so wrong in every possible aspect
[14:51:15] <rmu> try cutting a slot in thin pure aluminium
[14:51:18] <rmu> dry
[14:51:26] <rmu> (al99,5)
[14:52:20] <syyl> yep
[14:52:43] <syyl> single flute, very shallow doc, insane high feed, everything will be fine
[14:54:13] <rmu> in theory, but practically this insane high feed is a problem
[14:54:35] <rmu> i admit it is a strange application ;)
[14:54:52] <syyl> i have pure gold on the machine at the moment
[14:54:59] <syyl> speaking of soft, gummy materials
[14:55:28] <syyl> for very anoying reasons i can not run cooleant nor airblast
[14:55:54] <syyl> to make it easier, the largest cutter the contour allows is a 0,8mm endmill ;)
[14:56:14] <Rab> syyl, annoying reasons of material reclamation?
[14:56:24] <syyl> partialy, yes
[14:56:31] <syyl> i have of course to collect the chips
[14:56:44] <syyl> and the part itself doesnt allow for cooleant either
[14:57:08] <syyl> my foreman obviously decided to give all the shit nobody else has patiente for to me ;)
[14:57:59] <gregcnc> vacuum filter to collect the gold?
[14:59:38] <syyl> i tried that, but the vacuum setup i have is a bit anoying to use on larger parts
[14:59:55] <syyl> right now i have the machine run the part over night
[15:00:08] <syyl> and i come in in the morning, brush up the chips and call it done
[15:02:39] <gregcnc> day job is also machining?
[15:04:00] <syyl> kinda
[15:04:15] <syyl> machinist in a prototypeshop
[15:04:23] <syyl> its sometimes more like building airfix kits ;)
[15:05:56] <cpresser> syyl: i used a box to catch the gold chips: https://ca.rstenpresser.de
[15:06:38] <cpresser> but in the end, there were very few chips (I just surfaced those cast parts), so it was not worth the effort to recycle them
[15:10:23] <sensille> re sluggish: the gcode has 250k lines. when i switch to the pure coordinate view, the sluggishness is gone. preview, it's back
[15:13:13] <cradek> since the preview of a program like that isn't very useful, you might want to add a comment (AXIS,stop) that makes the preview stop early
[15:14:19] <sensille> i'd still expect the keyboard even to have priority
[15:14:54] <cradek> if you need realtime response you must use realtime inputs, which the keyboard and gui are not
[15:15:10] <cradek> so get a jogwheel (not a usb one, get one that hooks to realtime encoder inputs)
[15:21:08] <sensille> ok. so it's not unexpected
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[15:38:12] <rob_h> hi, i have a resolve with specs exitation 15v amplitude 10v frequency 3.5Khz, would this work on a 7i49 or hv version?
[15:39:56] <Papagno> Hi at all. On actual master have a problem with spindle at speed pin. If command m3 s10000 and abort first the receive signal spindle at speed = true and affter command g1 z-10 f100 , the g1 not is executed remain append and cnc in run . the axis wait spindle at speed, but i first have abort .this is test on actual master. the same problem is with M5 first the receive spindle at speed = true
[15:40:56] <pcw_mesa> should work with HV
[15:44:11] <pcw_mesa> it would work with the normal 7I49 also but just the first 3 channels (that you can jumper for 1:1 vs 2:1)
[15:45:21] <rmu> Papagno: what do you mean with "if command m3 s10000 and abort first"
[15:45:55] <Papagno> actual master have problem with signal spindle.x.at-speed
[15:46:26] <Papagno> command m3 s5000
[15:47:16] <rmu> and?
[15:47:36] <Papagno> if signal spindle.0.at-speed is false and you abort or start a m5 and after command g1 x10 y20 f1000, the axis not move
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[15:48:34] <Papagno> the problem than when you command a m3 S and not have spindle.0.at-spped
[15:49:43] <rmu> you enter the g1 command at MDI ?
[15:50:11] <Papagno> yes in MDI
[15:50:28] <Papagno> but now test in auto wait
[15:53:35] <rmu> hmm. don't know. i see this behaviour when pausing a program, stopping the spindle via GUI and then when continuing it waits until spindle is turned on and spindle.x.at-speed is true before doing any move
[15:53:41] <rmu> but not in MDI
[15:54:30] <Papagno> in auto the same.
[15:55:40] <Papagno> if you command m3 s24000 after have g1 x-3 f1000 and m30 : the axis not move for 6 second, when the spindle.0-at-speed is true , the axis move and this is correct
[15:55:45] <rmu> if you issue m3 then the control should wait until spindle at speed is true
[15:56:29] <Papagno> the problem than when in ramp i stop machine , because have see a problem . after if command a g1 it not is executed
[15:57:21] <rmu> even if you restart the spindle the g1 is not executed?
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[16:03:33] <syyl> cpresser, i end up with roughly 20g of chips per part ;)
[16:08:14] <Papagno> the g1 is executed only if have spindle-at-speed true, this is ok, but not is ok if i have coomand m3 s24000 and stop machine after command g1 and it not is executed
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[16:10:38] <pcw_mesa> its not executed even if spindle at speed is true?
[16:14:04] <Papagno> example time ramp for m3 s24000 is 6 second, the inverter after 6 second send out digital output, connect at pin spindle-at-speed
[16:14:14] <Papagno> ccommand m3 s24000
[16:14:19] <Papagno> wait 6 secod
[16:14:41] <Papagno> the signal spindle-at speed is true
[16:14:48] <Papagno> g1 is executed
[16:14:52] <Papagno> this is ok
[16:14:57] <Papagno> another case
[16:15:02] <Papagno> m3 s24000
[16:15:14] <Papagno> wait 3 second , stop machine
[16:15:45] <Papagno> the signal spindle-at-speed is false , because the ramp not is complete
[16:15:57] <Papagno> run g1 , in this case not is executed
[16:16:56] <Papagno> after a abor or m5 the loop the spindle -at -speed will reset , but not fuction
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[16:17:46] <Papagno> you can test it on axis, disconnect the spindle.0.at-speed and setp spindle-at speed false
[16:17:54] <Papagno> run m3 s5000
[16:18:13] <Papagno> after pusch abort or estop
[16:18:23] <Papagno> after comman in mdi g1
[16:18:28] <Papagno> it not is executed
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[16:22:20] <pcw_mesa> OK I guess I dont understand, that sounds like correct behaviour to me (no motion unless spindle at speed is true)
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[16:27:52] <rmu> Papagno: what happens if you issue m5 before g1
[16:30:04] <rmu> ok
[16:30:11] <rmu> < Papagno> after a abor or m5 the loop the spindle -at -speed will reset , but not fuction
[16:31:20] <rmu> Papagno: perhaps you should open issue on github, this really sounds like a bug.
[16:33:00] <sensille> if i use 3d adaptive clearing for roughening, what is the finishing step? contour?
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[16:35:29] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, If command m3 s24000 and not have true spidle-at-speed and you reset for stop spindle , after if command g1 not move , this no corret. if i have aborted , normally i can move in g1 , because not command another m3
[16:35:47] <pcw_mesa> does it work if spindle at speed is true?
[16:35:51] <Papagno> If command m3 s24000 and not have true spidle-at-speed and you reset for stop spindle , after if command g1 not move , this no corret. if i have aborted , normally i can move in g1 , because not command another m3
[16:36:21] <Lcvette> pcw_mesa: I am getting ready to wire in a MPG and I am confused now as to the method I should be connecting it. it is a 100PPR and it has switches for various outputs for the different step rates, I read through the forum and saw it could be either connected on inputs 16-19 or to an encoder channel on the 7i77.
[16:36:58] <Lcvette> it dies have detents on the encoder, I am guessing they are 100 per revolution without counting them
[16:37:44] <Papagno> yes it work with spindle is true , but you thing you have command m3 and have see tool not in good position, press emergency , after machine on , after g1 for move in mdi tool in another position, the axis not move
[16:37:56] <Lcvette> would I be best served connecting them to the 16-19 on TB7 and then I think I read i need to setup the 7i77 by flashing it for that?
[16:38:01] <pcw_mesa> Papagno: I'm just not sure if spindle at speed is expected to be true if 0 spindle speed is requested (and 0 is reported) i
[16:39:14] <pcw_mesa> I still think the may be OK, just that your spindle at speed is not correct when requested and actual are 0
[16:40:18] <pcw_mesa> Lcvette if you have detents its usually better to use the 7I77s MPG inputs since they have a 1X mode
[16:40:58] <Lcvette> ok
[16:41:10] <Lcvette> thanks!
[16:43:22] <pcw_mesa> Lcvette: no flashing needed, its just a hal file option
[16:44:12] <Lcvette> oh ok
[16:44:18] <Lcvette> even better
[16:45:23] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, yes Peter , but if i have abort or press emergency and after command g1 , i thing it normally move, but now not move and this not is ok
[16:46:04] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, understand problem
[16:46:31] <pcw_mesa> Is this a change from 2.7 behaviour?
[16:47:23] <Deejay> gn8
[16:47:23] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, this is after merged patch for fix problem the blend arc on actual master
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[16:48:10] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, abot apply 2 or 3 week before
[16:48:22] <pcw_mesa> Seems like it would be more related to the multi spindle patch
[16:49:29] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, no the problem not is multispindle, i thing pach the TP for fix the velocity 0 when move in blend arc to arc
[16:51:02] <pcw_mesa> thats very strange, are you saying that earlier versions allowed motion when spindle-at-speed was false?
[16:51:02] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, #504
[16:51:48] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, rene-dev have close this point
[16:52:37] <Papagno> pcw_mesa, eb8d43fad3539c82e212c5c65be12b6f62ec5141
[16:53:44] <XXCoder> is it really nesscary to ping someone each time you say something?
[16:54:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: yes
[16:54:27] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I thik it is
[16:54:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: dont you?
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[18:24:03] <jthornton> jeez why is backing up such a pain in a a$$ borg is so complicated
[18:26:00] <rmu> jthornton: https://gist.github.com
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[18:27:44] <jthornton> hmm that looks pretty easy, thanks
[18:31:11] <rmu> just put that in the crontab
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[18:39:49] <jthornton> lol nothing is ever that simple
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[19:22:45] <ChunkyPuffs> sensille, if you have a problem with adaptive clearing let me know
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[19:22:59] <ChunkyPuffs> the guy who made adaptive clearing a thing in f360 goes to my makerspace
[19:23:01] <ChunkyPuffs> Julian Todd
[19:23:18] <ChunkyPuffs> I'll ask him what the solution m ight be
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[20:27:22] <skunkworks> heh - I might have the linux thing down... Finally figured out how to turn off the dedicated video card on a resume...
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