#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-12-20
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[00:06:07] <renesis> roycroft: you can just buy uni kuru toga?
[00:06:22] <renesis> i've been using them for over four years
[00:07:08] <renesis> your link looks like a zebra knockoff, anyway I've never had problems getting them fast
[00:07:22] <renesis> https://www.amazon.com
[00:07:56] <renesis> this model has slide pipe, almost impossible to snap lead, using it exclusively for two years
[00:08:43] <renesis> i used the original without the slide pipe for two years before that, about as good
[00:09:16] <renesis> i also have an original 0.7mm one that i like using, normally i cant stand 0.7
[00:11:04] <renesis> anyway, if the zebra is as good, then yes, its a paradigm shift in pencils
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[00:14:13] <energies23423> hi
[00:14:32] <energies23423> broad question: Is there some machined part, or even non-metal part if you're familiar, that because of technology, wages, etc., is eligible to compete with imports?
[00:14:43] <energies23423> I was interested in having a contract manufacturer make something, if possible, and trying to distribute it
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[00:15:00] <renesis> roycroft: looks like the zebra has suspension?
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[00:15:38] <renesis> the people who love it seem mostly worried about breaking leads, lots of them like it more than kuru toga, tho
[00:15:41] <renesis> shrug
[00:19:21] <renesis> yeah it seems like these have better feel and less breakage, but the kuru togas spin better and write sharper. togas feel kind of funny because theres maybe half mm of compression for the rachet mechanism
[00:20:34] <renesis> would maybe prefer the kuru toga slide pipe to the zebra cone tip, my pencil lead is never extended close to as much as in these zebra pencil images
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[00:22:31] <renesis> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
[00:22:39] <renesis> def the money shot
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[01:37:25] <ziper> energies23423, what kind of question is that
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[01:38:22] <energies23423> ziper: one that can be answered, hopefully
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[03:51:58] <Net|> https://netpipe.ca
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[03:58:45] <Deejay> moin
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[05:12:37] * Loetmichel likes 1mm sheet brass for making electronic enclosures... small mishaps on the CNC are easily fixed with a soldering iron and/or -torch... alas: those things get HOT... *sucking the yellow striped thumb* ... :-)
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[05:51:14] <jthornton> morning
[05:52:26] <XXCoder> hey jt
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[06:00:14] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:11:07] <XXCoder> heys
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[06:37:28] <selroc> hello, good new year
[06:42:18] <gloops> well i did fit the 1/6th HP motor to my bandsaw today and it actually seems to cut quite well - can feed a 4x2 through it no problem anyway, but no bed on it yet so cant test on a log
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[06:48:33] <XXCoder> nice
[07:08:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[07:29:07] <PL7icnc> hi
[07:29:19] <PL7icnc> School Holiday in Germany
[07:29:25] <PL7icnc> <- SMILE
[07:30:49] <PL7icnc> Someone here from Europa or even Germany
[07:30:54] <gloops> you are a pupil <PL7icnc>?
[07:30:57] <gloops> or teacher
[07:31:21] <Loetmichel> PL7icnc: some :)
[07:31:51] <PL7icnc> i am become a teatcher as the Manhow did this al dis RIP this year
[07:32:12] <gloops> oh Ichsguckslive
[07:32:15] <Loetmichel> gloops: as my wife tends to say: "Lehrer haben vormittags recht und nachmittags frei!"
[07:32:17] <PL7icnc> But i am a Toolmaker mainly
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[07:32:37] <Loetmichel> (teachers are always right before noon and dont have to work after noon)
[07:32:50] <gloops> heh heh Loetmichel
[07:32:59] <PL7icnc> Technical Schools wor until 5Pm
[07:33:55] <PL7icnc> I got a Question to all of You I did Recive A PC that has about 180 tutorials of CNC Stuff on it
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[07:34:30] <PL7icnc> Do You think i shoudt open a YT and make them Public if i get Permission from the Owner
[07:35:06] <Loetmichel> i would ask the owner why he didnt do that himself
[07:35:33] <PL7icnc> eis no Longer on this Earth
[07:35:46] <PL7icnc> He is
[07:36:22] <Loetmichel> i wouldnt try to "take credit for someone elses work"
[07:36:33] <Loetmichel> was it ichguggslife?
[07:36:45] <PL7icnc> i dont Know this Name
[07:36:46] <Loetmichel> the deceased owner of that PC?
[07:37:11] <Loetmichel> did he do forest ranger for a while lately?
[07:37:22] <PL7icnc> The PC has been Given to the Workshop of the School
[07:37:47] <PL7icnc> im only in this Business for 4weeks Now
[07:37:52] <Loetmichel> old guy, living near munich?
[07:38:10] <PL7icnc> Dont Know anything but can Ask
[07:38:16] <PL7icnc> Will Ask
[07:38:25] <Loetmichel> because that guy was here all the time before he died.
[07:38:46] <gloops> are these Ichs videos ?
[07:38:50] <PL7icnc> DID he make mashines
[07:38:59] <gloops> definitely yes, they were a great resource for beginners
[07:39:04] <PL7icnc> for Education
[07:39:05] <gloops> and experienced as well
[07:39:29] <Loetmichel> i think so
[07:39:37] <Loetmichel> cant say for sure though
[07:39:47] <PL7icnc> Let me Check DO You remember anything specific to search for in this Videos
[07:40:16] <Loetmichel> if its ichs then good luck to get his heirs to allow you to post them
[07:40:19] <PL7icnc> That will ident this Man
[07:40:30] <Loetmichel> they deleted ALL his social media accoutns
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[07:40:58] <Loetmichel> PL7icnc: very bad english ;)
[07:41:05] <PL7icnc> Good People if they do SO
[07:41:07] <Loetmichel> and a "grantler" sometimes ;)
[07:41:19] <PL7icnc> Me
[07:41:37] <gloops> Sammel Lothar
[07:41:40] <Loetmichel> cant remember any specifics though
[07:41:48] <Loetmichel> gloops: that was his name?
[07:41:53] <Loetmichel> good to know
[07:41:55] <PL7icnc> i only got the Videos DVD
[07:42:16] <gloops> i got an email from him with that name Loetmichel
[07:42:20] <PL7icnc> no other Documentation
[07:42:38] <gloops> magic cnc maschines
[07:42:45] <gloops> i think..
[07:43:00] <Loetmichel> so ichsguggslive name was Lothar Sammel. does that help, PL7icnc?
[07:43:12] <PL7icnc> no Magic File on the DVD
[07:43:48] <PL7icnc> i will ask the Principel or the Former Workhelp if he Remembers this
[07:44:32] <gloops> i wasnt around much but apparently his grandson pulled the videos from youtube
[07:45:33] <PL7icnc> I woudt realy Love if My Background woudt get all this Done for Me
[07:47:07] <PL7icnc> OK But Back this is most LUCID so do you think it can be Helpfull anymore its 8years since
[07:47:52] <PL7icnc> I got in trouble on upgrating 2 Mashines of 35 here to Stretch
[07:48:20] <PL7icnc> Therefor i ask
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[07:52:07] <gloops> yes i think it is still useful
[07:52:24] <gloops> i used the videos to get my machine working, much of the hardware is still relevant
[07:52:47] <gloops> - if they are the same videos
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[07:54:33] <PL7icnc> I try over the Holidays to get answers
[07:54:39] <PL7icnc> we will see
[07:55:10] <PL7icnc> Finding the Search words and discrition will be Hard
[07:55:12] <gloops> ichs was in here 4 times a day helping people, his youtube channel got hundreds of hits a day
[07:56:03] <PL7icnc> Linuxcnc is not that popular i gues i heard first in November
[07:56:14] <PL7icnc> but it is fine to tune
[07:56:28] <PL7icnc> ok im off
[07:56:40] <PL7icnc> Time Will bring answers!
[07:56:46] <gloops> ok thanks
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[07:57:08] <gloops> i wonder...lol
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[11:52:12] <gloops> wall street dropping fast
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[13:50:04] <gloops> is this 1 HP motor?
[13:50:31] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[13:51:05] <gloops> nm its 1/4
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[14:18:40] <ekarlso> Hi guys, would it be possible to do a HAL driver in rust?
[14:22:05] <Vq> Of course it's possible
[14:22:53] <ekarlso> what does a HAL driver for a VFD do ? is it a binary or ?
[14:23:49] <Vq> I don't know of any though.
[14:24:05] <ekarlso> if anyone can explain : )
[14:24:22] <Vq> Assuming you mean a kernel space HAL component, it's basically a kernel module.
[14:24:44] <Vq> And there are at least proof-of-concepts of kernel modules written in Rust.
[14:25:58] <ekarlso> Vq: I mean the vfd modules like the hy vfd driver are those kernel modules ?
[14:27:10] <Vq> I'm not aware of those.
[14:27:35] <ekarlso> hmmms
[14:27:40] <Vq> I use hal components to control VFDs, but not any specific component for it.
[14:27:55] <ekarlso> hmmm rly
[14:29:06] <Vq> Yep, the last one I set up was just a PID component, some logic components and a custom statemachine component that I wrote in C.
[14:31:06] <Vq> Btw, it's really easy to write a HAL component in C if you use the halcompile script.
[14:32:30] <ekarlso> halcompile ?
[14:32:36] <ekarlso> are there any examples ?
[14:33:20] <Vq> And since you run the code in a real-time environment you really want to avoid dynamic memory and even loops, which makes the relative benefits of using Rust quite small.
[14:33:48] <Vq> There are
[14:34:26] <Vq> Check out the src/hal/components/ directory.
[14:35:21] <Vq> https://github.com
[14:36:12] <Vq> That's a really small and sweet component that you could have written yourself.
[14:37:06] <Vq> And you can install your own by running: sudo halcompile --install ekarlsos_vfd_driver.comp
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[14:38:35] <Vq> The lines before the ;; declare the pins, parameters and some metadata and the lines after is C source code.
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[14:52:49] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* coworker brought a c02 pellet gun to work today... so a few of my colleagues went behind the building in lunch break, set up some empty soda cans and started shooting... from 15ft away... AND DIDNT HIT A DARN THING... $me walked by, looked at that, said "let me try!"... took the gun, stepped another 10 feet back, missed once and hit the next 5 rounds. "Gun is perfectly well, its your
[14:52:50] <Loetmichel> aim. Aside from that, come back here at the house corner(~50 feet)... at 15 feet its way to easy to hit." They were not amused. :-)
[14:53:47] <Vq> Brilliant :)
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[15:26:12] <gloops> Drones paralyze British airport, grounding Christmas travelers https://reut.rs via @ReutersTV
[15:26:41] <gloops> this is insane, a couple of drones bring one of the busiest airports in the world to a standstill for 24 hours
[15:26:57] <gregcnc> I hope that doesn't kill aeromodelling in the UK
[15:28:10] <ziper> is it that hard to get a guy with a shotgun out there
[15:28:54] <gloops> id have had that down in 2 minutes with air rifle or catapult
[15:29:25] <gloops> i dont know if they are trying to trace the operator through the signal or what - this is costing a lot of money
[15:29:28] <gregcnc> there are means, but the airport must not have them in place?
[15:29:50] <gloops> the police have marksmen, the army are on the job, its still ongoing
[15:30:03] <gregcnc> the drones are still flying?
[15:30:12] <gloops> last i saw yeah
[15:30:21] <gloops> they come and go, more than 1
[15:30:33] <ziper> what if it is autonomous? then it would be impossible to find whos running them
[15:30:50] <gloops> surely the signal can be traced
[15:31:03] <gloops> we have awacs planes all kinds of stuff
[15:31:07] <gregcnc> yeah 2.4GHz today?
[15:31:49] <gloops> no idea
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[15:32:54] <gregcnc> I'm saying it is 2.4Ghz...... find a single source. and yeah if autonomous, this could go on for days
[15:32:55] <Vq> They should have had Loetmichel come in and shoot them down.
[15:33:01] <Loetmichel> hihi
[15:33:08] <Loetmichel> that would be contraproductive
[15:33:23] <Loetmichel> then they have noone to hold liable for the holdup
[15:33:37] <gregcnc> https://www.bbc.com
[15:33:41] <Loetmichel> i think they were searching for the transmitter that controls the drones
[15:33:45] <gloops> https://www.thesun.co.uk
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[15:34:16] <gloops> these drones could have been packed with novichok, this is the next terror threat
[15:34:23] <Loetmichel> ziper: its more likely than not not autonomus
[15:34:30] <ziper> what about a piece of string on another drone
[15:34:44] <ziper> catch it in the props
[15:34:45] <Loetmichel> at least it has a wifi or analog video link back to the "pilot"
[15:34:51] <ziper> or follow it until it lands
[15:34:55] <Loetmichel> to see what havoc he causes
[15:34:56] <gregcnc> doesn't have to
[15:35:01] <gregcnc> it'a ll over the news
[15:36:14] <gloops> maximum sentence for dangerous drone flying here is 5 years
[15:36:31] <gloops> although im sure they could dream up a few more charges on top
[15:37:17] <gregcnc> they won't be found if they planned this well
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[15:37:39] <gloops> i dont know much about it, never used one
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[15:38:30] <gloops> he/they are either bringing the drones back for recharging or they have quite a few, surely they can see where its going back to
[15:38:50] <gregcnc> cheap enough to be disposable
[15:39:13] <gloops> they are industrial drones, not toys
[15:39:31] <gregcnc> all depends how much money was available
[15:40:03] <gloops> this is organised id say, russians, some state or terror organisation
[15:40:21] <gloops> hmm, who has the UK upset? - THE EU
[15:40:28] <gregcnc> probably airline pilots trying to get rid of drones altogether
[15:41:30] <ziper> i don't think the EU cares that much
[15:42:07] <gloops> ziper the EU is horrified at the prospect of brexit
[15:42:17] <gregcnc> but this will be a nail in the coffin for this hobby
[15:42:39] <gloops> yes thats true gregcnc, already calling for all operators to be licensed
[15:42:58] <gregcnc> that won't stop anyhting
[15:43:11] <fragalot> that is already the case here - but it does not solve anything
[15:43:13] <gloops> although i dont suppose thats enforceable if you cant be caught
[15:43:19] <gregcnc> gangs in Chicago don't have gun licences
[15:43:37] <fragalot> all it's done is made it harder for those that want to have fun with it properly
[15:43:51] <fragalot> if you don't care about flying in illegal zones, you also don't care about a license
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[15:44:40] <gloops> people seem to post videos of no go places on facebook and nobody says anything
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[15:45:11] <fragalot> I never got why anyone would post about themselves doing something illegal
[15:45:20] <fragalot> yet at the same time I'm glad that people are that dumb :D
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[15:50:00] <ziper> i'm mad that the drone people pushed the FAA into expanding regulations over fixed-wing too
[15:51:15] <fragalot> I'm mad that there's no definition that differs FPV drones flying long distance vs simplle dumb models
[15:51:43] <fragalot> I loved my foamie but now I suddenly need a license for the damn thing
[15:52:13] <fragalot> even just to fly it back & forth in a farmers' field
[15:52:54] <gregcnc> like study and answer questions or registration?
[15:54:20] <fragalot> you must follow a theorethical course, and do a practical exam with a licensed instructor
[15:54:47] <fragalot> sorry, follow a practical course as well, and then do both theorethical and practical exams
[15:55:30] <gregcnc> I didn't hear about that in Belgium, any other countries in EU done the same?
[15:55:37] <fragalot> that's the requirement to fly class 1, which is "up to 90m, outside of towns away from people or animals"
[15:56:07] <fragalot> within visual range, and only during daylight
[15:56:24] <gregcnc> normal hobby use
[15:57:30] <fragalot> well, normal hobby use falls in a class less than 1kg, up to 10m high
[15:57:41] <fragalot> so that already throws out fix wing foamies
[15:57:52] <gregcnc> that's toys
[15:58:13] <fragalot> class 2 is up to 5kg, >50m from buildings, up to 45m high
[15:58:21] <fragalot> you need a certificate for those, and be 16+
[15:59:09] <fragalot> (that certificate requires you to do the whole course & exam thing)
[15:59:14] <fragalot> which is why i've given up on the hobby
[15:59:38] <gregcnc> that's unfortunate
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[16:26:55] <gloops> lol, so now someone has posted ariel photos of gatwick airport
[16:28:59] <ziper> i managed to snap that nifty combo drill/tap in the second to last hole
[16:29:47] <gloops> better than the first hole then
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[16:37:31] <XXCoder> power issues at home. wonder if same at work lol
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[16:59:14] <jthornton> yea my gigabit 8 port switch showed up today
[16:59:26] <XXCoder> yay :)
[17:00:00] <jthornton> the second 4 port 10/100 is so hot I assume it uses a lot of power and only 3 ports work
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[17:04:09] <XXCoder> might have short there?
[17:04:32] <ziper> how likely is it that I could harder a harbor freight punch better than the factory did
[17:04:33] <XXCoder> if not warranty as well as look around and see
[17:05:18] <jthornton> yea, it's a very old linksys router
[17:05:25] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: its not as bad as fragalot makes it seem
[17:05:44] <Loetmichel> i have said cert, it was half an hour online. not all THAT hard
[17:05:53] <XXCoder> laters. going to work that probably has power issues. yayy
[17:06:01] <jthornton> later
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[17:13:07] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:14:16] <andypugh> Yay! I have my Faro arm logging and doing forward kins. The DH params are _way_ off but that’s a detail.
[18:16:28] <jthornton> cool
[18:18:01] <andypugh> I had to switch from an Arduino Nano to one of these: https://learn.adafruit.com
[18:18:25] <andypugh> But they run the exact same code and are programmed with the same IDE, so that just meant changing some physical wires.
[18:21:12] <jthornton> why did you have to change?
[18:22:43] <andypugh> The Kinematic calcs needed more than the 2k of memory that the Nano has. The ItsyBitsy has 512k ! (And 2MB of flash on board, which could be used for standalone logging.)
[18:23:32] <andypugh> Ah, only 192k RAM, but that is 100x as much…
[18:32:45] <jthornton> are you running python code on the itsy?
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[21:02:45] <andypugh> jthornton: No, I over-wrote the Python for this application.
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