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[05:49:15] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:26] <XXCoder> hey jthornton funny thing happened today
[05:49:49] <XXCoder> we had a party at work
[05:49:54] <XXCoder> guess what I won lol
[05:50:23] <jthornton> a radio?
[05:50:33] <XXCoder> good try lol. expensive headphones
[05:50:44] <XXCoder> other guy wanted it so i exchanged it for echo dot
[05:50:46] <jthornton> even better
[05:51:03] <jthornton> what's an echo dot?
[05:51:06] <XXCoder> useless
[05:51:31] <XXCoder> its alexia device by amazon, you can ask it stuff and it can also do some IoT stuff
[05:58:33] <jthornton> winter solstice today
[05:58:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:58:46] <XXCoder> the longest darkest night
[05:58:53] <XXCoder> ironic that its quite bright here
[05:58:59] <XXCoder> tomorrow is brightest full moon
[05:59:20] <XXCoder> so today its quite bright moon, and finally clear night since weeks of dark and rain
[05:59:42] <XXCoder> will be brief. rest of week is all cloud and rain
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[06:06:50] <Tom_L> morning
[06:07:11] <XXCoder> hy tom
[06:12:33] <jthornton> morning
[06:13:09] <Tom_L> 30°F Hi 53
[06:13:10] <XXCoder> anyway while echo dot is useless might try to make gramphone for it once i get 3d printer
[06:13:12] <XXCoder> because why not
[06:13:51] <Tom_L> announced a big boost in hiring here yesterday
[06:14:04] <Tom_L> spirit
[06:14:31] <XXCoder> nice
[06:14:38] <XXCoder> sounds like biz is booming there
[06:14:50] <Tom_L> http://www.kake.com
[06:15:10] <Tom_L> yeah they hired around 1k a while back now somewhere around 1.4k
[06:15:59] <XXCoder> nice
[06:16:15] <Tom_L> i was kinda concerned when boeing pulled out but it's just opened the door for more vendors
[06:16:30] <Tom_L> now they do boeing and airbus and more
[06:17:02] <Tom_L> airbus and dassault both built offices here
[06:17:37] <Tom_L> i think the airbus one is mostly for engineers
[06:24:36] <XXCoder> nice'
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[07:31:47] <jthornton> I need to write a chicken database I think...
[07:35:26] <XXCoder> yeah? data getting too long without database?
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[07:39:12] <jthornton> yea spreadsheet is getting big lol
[07:39:39] <jthornton> I keep all kinds of data on weather, eggs, light
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[12:16:23] <gregcnc> SmarterEveryDay How to measure 1/1,000,000" https://youtu.be
[12:16:33] <fragalot> 'sup
[12:22:29] <gregcnc> I sent my son to school with a fist full of these for his classmates. http://www.dieselrc.com
[12:25:10] <gloops> breaking news - gatwick suspends main runway again
[12:25:18] <gloops> drone is back
[12:25:34] <fragalot> the "drone"
[12:25:54] <fragalot> gregcnc: but will they fit a 1960's piece of lego?
[12:25:55] <gloops> a drone
[12:26:26] <gregcnc> who has 1960's lego? these kids aren't 55 years old
[12:27:01] <gloops> those could be used as a dangerous projectile gregcnc
[12:27:08] <fragalot> gregcnc: trick question. the modern ones are the /EXACT/ same size.
[12:27:40] <gregcnc> isn't the modern minifig 70's era?
[12:28:33] <fragalot> probably, but the heads fit on the blocks too
[12:28:44] <gregcnc> yes
[12:29:13] <gregcnc> metal isn't ideal as it doesn't bend like the plastic
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[12:34:24] <HighInBC> metal lego, just solder it
[12:34:39] <fragalot> friction weld it by frustration alone
[12:35:20] <gregcnc> aluminum on aluminum might be a permanent assembly
[12:35:28] <fragalot> or stainless on stainless
[12:36:00] <gloops> springs
[12:48:29] <Rab> gregcnc, those are awesome! When I clicked the link I was afraid it'd be fidget spinners.
[12:49:16] <gregcnc> my kids has a whole list of parts he wants me to make
[12:51:59] <gregcnc> I was going to engrave the features deeper and fill them with paint, but ran out of time and it looked OK
[12:52:19] <gregcnc> they came off the lathe at 10 last night
[12:52:22] <renesis> looks neat like that
[13:00:58] <gregcnc> Anyone use 5C collect in production much? easiest way to seal the gaps to prevent chips getting behind?
[13:01:39] <fragalot> silicone?
[13:01:44] <renesis> playdoh
[13:01:50] <fragalot> sealed collets designed for the task?
[13:01:57] <renesis> actually i wonder if that stuff is abrasive when it dries
[13:02:00] <gregcnc> never seen sealed 5C
[13:02:30] <gregcnc> silicone or rubber cord I'm thinking
[13:02:41] <renesis> arent they made to clamp down to no-gap or close?
[13:03:07] <gregcnc> no, 1/16" gap or so
[13:03:23] <renesis> yeah rubber cord sounds good
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[14:54:25] <CaptHindsight> sent a package to a "customer" in France 6 weeks ago...
[14:54:49] <CaptHindsight> it's on its way back from France now...
[14:56:02] <CaptHindsight> customer says "3 weeks ago they missed delivery" and then didn't mention anything about it till today
[14:56:39] <CaptHindsight> am I just lucky or are people really this dumb?
[14:56:53] <fragalot> I've had that happen
[14:57:14] <fragalot> because I have an old (no longer legal) mailbox built into my wall, which I closed off on the inside & sealed on the outside
[14:57:26] <fragalot> somehow they managed to shove the delivery notice in that thing...
[14:57:32] <CaptHindsight> hah
[14:57:32] <JT-Shop> at least your getting your product back... they kept mine and got their money back
[14:57:40] <fragalot> only found out about it because I saw something else sticking out of it several months latr
[14:58:19] <CaptHindsight> do you have another mailbox hidden from sight?
[14:58:34] <CaptHindsight> a true mailbox, not sealed
[14:58:41] <fragalot> if you can call 'right at the driveway where you walk past to get to the front door" hidden, yes
[14:58:56] <CaptHindsight> hidden in plain sight
[14:59:02] <fragalot> indeed
[14:59:55] <CaptHindsight> they said the local post office had no info of the parcel
[15:00:17] <CaptHindsight> then why wait 3 more weeks to ask us to trace
[15:00:18] <JT-Shop> well start with 24v and work your way up to 220v to keep them from touching the no longer in service box
[15:00:22] <fragalot> they may not have any info if it's handed over to a different company
[15:00:41] <fragalot> JT-Shop: hard to do on brick :P
[15:00:57] <CaptHindsight> happen to know what France does with USPS parcels?
[15:01:21] <JT-Shop> add two metal buttons with a sign "mail box is behind you"
[15:01:27] <fragalot> last time I got one (belgium) it went via the standard post
[15:01:33] <JT-Shop> and "touch to open"
[15:01:40] <fragalot> JT-Shop: :-)
[15:01:53] <fragalot> i've got a plasma ball or 2 lying around that I no longer need
[15:01:57] <CaptHindsight> i wasn't able to navigate https://www.laposte.fr
[15:02:05] <fragalot> because why use 240V when you could have 8kV
[15:02:57] * JT-Shop decides to quit work at 2pm today... hmm 3 past 2
[15:03:05] <CaptHindsight> ever notice that nobody in France is ever in this channel
[15:03:17] <fragalot> ... would you want them to be?
[15:03:22] <fragalot> I mean.. they're french
[15:03:25] <fragalot> they'd riot
[15:03:40] <JT-Shop> one guy used to be here he translated the manual to french
[15:03:40] <CaptHindsight> this channel could use a good riot
[15:03:49] <JT-Shop> not seen him in a long time
[15:04:32] <CaptHindsight> I've never seen anyone from Asia in here either
[15:04:44] <fragalot> the great filter.
[15:05:08] <JT-Shop> wtf my 6006-2RS bearings won't be here till 12-31 and the rest that I don't need first will be here on the 27th
[15:05:15] <CaptHindsight> i know there are some users in Japan
[15:05:34] <CaptHindsight> the Chinese are too proud to use LCNC
[15:05:43] <JT-Shop> I've shipped to Korea but never Japan
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[15:05:56] <JT-Shop> and Hong Kong once
[15:06:38] <CaptHindsight> $1 windows disk and a copy of Mach is common
[15:06:44] <rmu> http://elm-chan.org
[15:09:53] <gregcnc> skyfirecnc is using linuxcnc
[15:10:32] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I noticed a local dealer for lathes made in the UK
[15:11:11] <gregcnc> there was something I was supposed to tell you...hmmmmm
[15:12:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.wickman-group.com
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[15:13:30] <gregcnc> oh expensive stuff
[15:14:41] <CaptHindsight> never heard of them before
[15:15:04] <gregcnc> me too, but multi spindle is bound to be
[15:15:45] <CaptHindsight> https://www.wickman-group.com or these
[15:17:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.calcocutaways.com a business that specializes in making cutaways
[15:17:59] <gregcnc> manurhin i've heard of
[15:18:20] <gregcnc> oh I visited a guy locally with 4 edm in his basement
[15:18:36] <CaptHindsight> i figured that a manufacturer would just cut open one of their own rejects
[15:19:14] <Rab> CaptHindsight, neat
[15:19:31] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: good cutouts can take a lot of planning - the manufacturer may have better things to do with their time
[15:19:31] <gregcnc> strange i've never heard of them
[15:20:41] <CaptHindsight> i come across all sorts of businesses that don't advertise using Google maps
[15:20:56] <gregcnc> been wandering the industrial parks?
[15:21:06] <CaptHindsight> was the other day
[15:21:16] <gregcnc> these are all down the street
[15:22:40] <gregcnc> I saw chicago plastic moved into the old eisenmann warehouse
[15:23:50] <CaptHindsight> there is a t-slot extruder down the road
[15:24:07] <CaptHindsight> but you have to order from someone miles away
[15:25:15] <fragalot> isn't "miles away" like.. your closest neighbor in the US?
[15:25:25] <CaptHindsight> depends
[15:26:33] <CaptHindsight> what I find odd is people that want to live >1 hour out of a large city but 20ft from a cluster of homes in the middle of no where
[15:27:12] <CaptHindsight> 30 houses, steps apart but miles from anything else
[15:27:31] <gregcnc> pingree grove?
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[15:30:07] <CaptHindsight> https://www.frame-world.com
[15:30:50] <gregcnc> yeah they turn up on 8020 searches
[15:31:00] <gloops> i dont like cities
[15:31:13] <ziper> looks expensive
[15:32:30] <CaptHindsight> pricing was around 8020's
[15:32:58] <CaptHindsight> you have to remember that they get you on the hardware, not the extrusions
[15:36:38] <Rab> Less good grammar!
[15:37:35] <CaptHindsight> we learned gooder English in school
[15:38:27] <gloops> oscar wilde said that england and america were 2 nations divided by 1 language
[15:39:28] <gregcnc> and an ocean?
[15:40:04] <gloops> luckily for you, yes
[15:40:55] <CaptHindsight> one theory from the outcome of the Revolutionary war was the poor use of English on this side
[15:41:06] <CaptHindsight> from/for
[15:41:19] <gregcnc> it's only getting worse over time
[15:41:40] <CaptHindsight> and that we kept their accent and they evolved
[15:42:26] <CaptHindsight> so a 250 year old Englishman would sound like a modern American (USA version)
[15:42:52] <methods_> crikey mate
[15:42:56] <methods_> say it isn't so
[15:43:30] <CaptHindsight> we have recordings that go back 100 years..
[15:43:49] <gloops> without the drawl
[15:44:08] <CaptHindsight> so it must have evolved rapidly from the late 1700's to the late 1800's
[15:45:11] <gloops> iwatched a video of some southern american bloke with a router, i did get the gist of what he was saying, but the drawl spoiled it
[15:45:42] <CaptHindsight> I'd blame it on the French but the Canadians don't sound like anyone from Virginia
[15:47:34] <CaptHindsight> gloops: watch a few of these and you'll be able to decipher it https://www.youtube.com
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[15:48:53] <gloops> yeah thats him
[15:50:10] <gloops> yorkshire dialect https://www.youtube.com
[15:54:00] <gloops> im pondering a B axis, dont know if i have enough pins left on the BOB though
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[15:57:26] <CaptHindsight> https://3dprint.com
[15:57:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[16:00:38] <CaptHindsight> https://3dprint.com
[16:00:54] <CaptHindsight> PLA did better than ABS for the gears
[16:00:56] <fragalot> that's fairly impressive.. I wonder if they can control the warpage in any way
[16:01:10] <fragalot> PLA is harder than ABS, so that's not very surprising
[16:01:16] <fragalot> it's also fairly good at self lubricating
[16:04:11] <Rab> Does it perform better than mazak?
[16:04:39] <CaptHindsight> PLA vs Mazak, lets see
[16:06:18] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: looks like they just tightly control feedrate and current
[16:06:40] <CaptHindsight> not the smoothest parts
[16:06:43] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: it seems to do a fairly good job based on that singular video
[16:07:34] <CaptHindsight> the print rate is about SLS
[16:07:50] <CaptHindsight> res is lower though
[16:08:55] <Rab> Failure mode: gear train eaten by rats
[16:09:09] <fragalot> xD
[16:09:16] <fragalot> 'left out in the sun'
[16:09:22] <fragalot> or in a car
[16:09:29] <CaptHindsight> I usually hear about gears done with SLA vs FDM
[16:09:53] <CaptHindsight> faster print rate, better res
[16:09:57] <fragalot> higher density
[16:10:05] <CaptHindsight> material cost is higher
[16:10:21] <fragalot> sure, but the parts are typically stronger
[16:21:09] <CaptHindsight> which parts are stronger?
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[16:25:51] <CaptHindsight> if you need 1-2 gears of that type a small CNC mill would be the way to go
[16:26:09] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: due to a better density, all identical parts made of identical materials are likely stronger in sls.
[16:26:52] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: what are you comparing to SLS?
[16:26:56] <fragalot> fdm
[16:27:06] <CaptHindsight> thanks
[16:27:23] <fragalot> (you were the one to bring that one up)
[16:27:24] <fragalot> :P
[16:27:25] <gloops> route 1 diy lathe https://www.ebay.co.uk
[16:27:54] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: I mentioned SLS and SLA so i wasn't sure of what you were comparing
[16:28:07] <fragalot> 22:09 < CaptHindsight> I usually hear about gears done with SLA vs
[16:28:08] <fragalot> FDM
[16:28:34] <fragalot> wait
[16:28:42] <CaptHindsight> never mind
[16:28:48] <fragalot> ._. I realize where i went wrong
[16:28:49] <fragalot> lol
[16:28:53] <CaptHindsight> why i asked
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[16:32:12] <fragalot> I'm off, cya
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[16:41:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com cutting helical gears with some fancy indexing jigathing
[16:52:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
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[17:04:53] <gloops> The UK's ranking in @Forbes' 'Best Countries for Business' in the world: 2018: 1st 🇬🇧 2019: 1st 🇬🇧
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[17:06:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:18:13] <treats> I have a noob question that I think is a result of limited vocabulary. It is also maybe Fusion 360 specific. I'm trying to 'explode' multiple bodies to minimize waste during the CAM phase of my project. Specifically 2D Contour with an 1/8 straight cut.
[17:22:29] <gloops> nesting?
[17:24:24] <treats> Not sure... I'll look into that. Basically my design comes to tight points and I'm forced to use CAD to compensate for my CAM
[17:25:50] <gloops> nesting is where you arrange 2d parts on the material to get the maximum parts and least waste
[17:26:12] <gloops> i.e efficiently
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[18:02:25] <ziper> I didn't think i'd have this much trouble following a template in wood
[18:02:43] <ziper> trying to attach the linear rail car to the gantry
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[18:10:05] <jthornton> yea winter solstice for folks north of the equator
[18:10:25] <jthornton> spring is coming and the days are getting longer by seconds every day
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[18:20:38] <CaptHindsight> when the great winter yak loads up the trailer full of toys to be delivered to all the good girls and boys
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[19:07:16] <Tom_L> judging from traffic, there aren't many of those
[19:10:52] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight what resin would they use on carbon fiber to allow you to heat mold it at a relatively low temp?
[19:10:59] <Tom_L> ie 210F
[19:11:27] <CaptHindsight> interesting
[19:11:34] <Tom_L> veru
[19:11:35] <Tom_L> y
[19:11:53] <CaptHindsight> they usually use thermosets, they don't really soften much when heated
[19:12:15] <CaptHindsight> they might flex a little then as you heat them more just burn
[19:12:15] <Tom_L> put it in a watertight bag and stick it in some boiling water for 15 min
[19:12:54] <CaptHindsight> if they use a themoplastic then you could heat it to flex it
[19:13:31] <jdh> I have some heat moldable carbon sole bike shoes
[19:13:44] <Tom_L> similar thing here
[19:13:56] <jdh> 160f for them
[19:14:16] <CaptHindsight> yeah skates are also similar
[19:14:23] <CaptHindsight> heat to sort of mold
[19:14:32] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight, that's what got me wondering
[19:14:44] <CaptHindsight> you could make it
[19:14:54] <CaptHindsight> but ...
[19:15:43] <CaptHindsight> how well does it hold up at working temp?
[19:15:52] <CaptHindsight> working temp say 30C
[19:15:54] <Tom_L> good
[19:16:09] <Tom_L> they tell you to re'do it every few months
[19:16:16] <CaptHindsight> and then flexible at 70C
[19:19:11] <CaptHindsight> Polycaprolactone might be one
[19:19:47] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[19:25:35] <CaptHindsight> looks like they blend it with PLA to raise it's melt temp
[19:25:47] <CaptHindsight> its/it's
[19:28:33] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: how much CF is in yours?
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[19:29:36] <CaptHindsight> also wondering if they have laminations throughout or just on the surfaces
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[19:46:57] <treats> gloops, you were right, nesting is exactly what I'm looking to accomplish.
[20:00:55] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight i'm not sure
[20:01:17] <Tom_L> pretty sure it's laminated throughout
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