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[01:57:19] <XXCoder> ... he might have rediscovered starlite. https://www.youtube.com
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[02:09:07] <XXCoder> half cup corn starch, baking soda 10% of corn starch, then elmer glue till like clay for starlike like material
[02:10:27] <XXCoder> its quite organic though so if used for house isulation rats would eat house
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[02:12:20] <XXCoder> yo
[02:12:25] <XXCoder> gloops: check this https://www.youtube.com
[02:15:11] <gloops> my mrs could have given him the recipe for that XXCoder lol
[02:15:22] <XXCoder> lol
[02:15:33] <XXCoder> honestly its surpising that he figured it
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[02:15:53] <XXCoder> wonder if thats how orginial inventor thought of it
[02:16:02] <XXCoder> among same lines as video maker did
[02:18:24] <gloops> they are ingredients used in a few hacks in modelling and things
[02:20:25] <XXCoder> it'd be better if it was not organic
[02:20:37] <XXCoder> rats would eat that stuff up if it was part of isulation for house
[02:22:03] <gloops> yes, probably get broken down by bacteria eventually too
[02:22:44] <XXCoder> i wonder if theres inorganic versions of both
[02:22:52] <XXCoder> so it wouldnt be eaten or whatever
[02:25:52] <gloops> cant think of anything that turns to carbon the same
[02:27:06] <XXCoder> i suppose could denature it in such way that nothing wanna eat oit
[02:27:16] <XXCoder> also stabilizing against decay
[02:27:31] <XXCoder> o course such additions would have to not inferne with special properity
[02:29:08] <gloops> could be sealed inside a film, like in rolls
[02:29:44] <XXCoder> sure surround it with flammable film
[02:30:01] <gloops> but if it were stabilised, could even just spray it on
[02:30:54] <XXCoder> indeed
[02:32:08] <gloops> ive brought my furnace up to the garage, not intending to use it yet but will be getting ready
[02:32:23] <XXCoder> metal pours?
[02:32:33] <gloops> i need a liner i forget what they use now, fire clay works ok i think
[02:32:45] <XXCoder> fire bricks
[02:32:55] <XXCoder> theres few forms of it
[02:33:08] <gloops> yeah just for melting aluminium, if i use only charcoal there wont be any smoke so shouldnt get any complaints
[02:33:09] <XXCoder> from literal bricks to what looks like cotton
[02:34:12] <gloops> im a facebook group for backyard casting, they use various stuff, surprising how a thin roll of something can keep the heat in
[02:34:34] <gloops> ill have to have another look not been watching it for ages
[02:34:46] <XXCoder> from what I see, "starlite" can handle ANY heat, but direct fire causes it to char
[02:34:52] <XXCoder> so i wonder if it'd be best as backing
[02:35:15] <XXCoder> like heat -> fire wool -> fire brick -> starlite
[02:35:28] <XXCoder> then finally metal casing to hold it all together
[02:35:35] <gloops> yeah being a tougher barrier maybe
[02:35:39] <gloops> behind
[02:36:34] <XXCoder> it would be interesting
[02:36:46] <XXCoder> it would contain heat so well that you can touch outsides easily
[02:37:23] <XXCoder> i wonder if it would fail if its containing molten alum
[02:37:27] <gloops> someone gave me a big gas bottle that had been converted to a stove, with door and fire grate, damper and insulated stainless chimney, only had a fire in it a couple times
[02:37:34] <XXCoder> make a cup of starlite then pour some alum in it
[02:37:39] <XXCoder> see if it stays cool outside
[02:37:58] <gloops> the moisture might cause problems
[02:38:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:38:20] <XXCoder> maybe steel cup outsides covered with starlite
[02:38:34] <XXCoder> see if you can pour by hand lol (i wouldnt! splash)
[02:38:52] <XXCoder> but can test theory by just touching. no need to actualluy attempt to pour
[02:40:30] <gloops> that would be useful if possible though
[02:40:57] <XXCoder> no water version would be great though
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[02:43:56] <gloops> there was another contact with Ichsguckslive the other day, dont know if you saw XXCoder
[02:44:07] <XXCoder> no havent seen
[02:44:14] <XXCoder> him or his grandson?
[02:44:30] <gloops> someone from germany saying he worked in a school and had found some discs with cnc tutorials - 160 or so
[02:44:50] <XXCoder> ohh hope that gets uploaded
[02:45:06] <gloops> sound very much like Ichs work, the guy even typed like Ichs lol
[02:45:20] <XXCoder> i found his videos unwatchable but i know many people have had found videos usefyk
[02:46:56] <gloops> i used to be picky with tutorials, i never bothered with any that werent really clear and well made - until i started the cnc lol
[02:47:28] <gloops> there are times when absolutely anything you can find might be of help - i got some vital bits of info from Ichs vids
[02:47:53] <XXCoder> theres guy making really nice vudeos oin cnc and linuxcnc
[02:48:09] <XXCoder> he makes video ionce a month or so I think or slowet
[02:48:38] <gloops> would have found it elsewhere eventually but was useful at the time - especially as he was here to quiz if need be
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[02:55:03] <rue_shop1> anyone watch hour counters on their machines?
[02:55:34] <XXCoder> hour counters?
[02:55:42] <XXCoder> you mean uptime?
[02:55:59] <XXCoder> 23:55:49 up 76 days, 22:45, 1 user, load average: 1.13, 1.01, 1.09 lol
[02:57:18] <rue_shop1> no machine running hour counters
[02:57:35] <rue_shop1> for things like "after 10000 hours, tighten the bolts"
[02:57:43] <XXCoder> ahh yeah work machines has it
[02:57:48] <XXCoder> but my hobby one nah
[02:58:33] <rue_shop1> dont know how many hours I had when the motor bushings failed
[03:00:08] <rue_shop1> I thought the brushes would fail first :)
[03:00:55] <rue_shop1> I suspect WD40 actually accelerated the wear
[03:01:36] <XXCoder> wd40 is not grease
[03:01:44] <XXCoder> its water displacer
[03:02:16] <rue_shop1> I suspect it displaced the oil in the bushing
[03:03:22] <gloops> i think its mostly naphtha - solvent that melts grease
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[03:09:52] <CaptHindsight> machine counters go up
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[03:10:07] <CaptHindsight> though it would be nice if they counted down
[03:10:17] <XXCoder> just like a bomb
[03:10:42] <CaptHindsight> or a context
[03:10:47] <CaptHindsight> contest
[03:10:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:11:13] <XXCoder> one of machines at work has very nice list of mainatance stuff and they all have # of hours and progress bar
[03:11:38] <XXCoder> once it gets to 90% used it turns yellow and has warning mainatance needed
[03:11:43] <XXCoder> once 100% it wont run
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[03:13:17] <Deejay> moin
[03:14:20] <gloops> like the service light on a car - nobody takes any notice
[03:14:28] <XXCoder> hey
[03:14:32] <XXCoder> more or less
[03:15:34] <CaptHindsight> pretty soon problem won't be
[03:15:53] <CaptHindsight> make you sit in self driving cars
[03:15:54] <XXCoder> if you dont make appointment for machine mainatance, it will schedule one for you
[03:16:10] <CaptHindsight> you rent from car service
[03:16:30] <CaptHindsight> you just pay
[03:17:22] <CaptHindsight> or if you still can buy it be like smartphones
[03:19:03] <CaptHindsight> will lose compatibility with direction service after a few years, for more better self obsolescent
[03:25:16] <gloops> well my 1 hp motor aint driving this bandsaw
[03:25:53] <gloops> bad luck but the only motor i could find local was 2800 rpm, the original was 1350 rpm
[03:26:39] <gloops> not enough cutting torque at that speed - but if i reduce the gearing to get same rpm on the spindle, i should get the torque back, right?
[03:27:00] <CaptHindsight> thats how gearing works
[03:27:18] <gloops> yes
[03:27:26] <CaptHindsight> it's not 100% efficient
[03:27:31] <gloops> either that or this is just a crap motor
[03:27:43] <CaptHindsight> you'll find out
[03:27:59] <gloops> every time i find out im wrong another day has passed
[03:28:53] <CaptHindsight> time or money
[03:29:22] <gloops> electrics is annoying for me, yet another magnificent mechanical build, foiled by the electrics
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[05:51:03] <jthornton> morning
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[07:13:26] <XXCoder> hey
[07:32:29] <jthornton> Yea I found a video card that meets both requirements A) it fits the motherboard and B) it works!
[07:32:43] <XXCoder> awesome :)
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[07:43:56] <jthornton> now to find enough 6-32 stand offs to mount the motherboard
[08:28:50] * Tom_L looks at jthornton's cnc lathe
[08:33:08] <jthornton> which one?
[08:34:11] <Tom_L> the one that will make more standoffs :)
[08:35:16] <jthornton> I have made standoffs on the CHNC before, but in this case I found a couple the right shape
[08:35:46] <XXCoder> get a turret cnc lathe ;)
[08:35:53] <XXCoder> make couple.. thousand
[08:36:14] <Tom_L> then trip over the box from now on...
[08:36:29] <XXCoder> nah sell what dont need
[08:36:46] <XXCoder> try pay off the fancy turret cnc lathe
[08:38:37] <jthornton> I need to find a source for M3 standoffs
[08:39:12] <jthornton> last time I ordered from aliexpress the sale failed
[08:39:22] <Tom_L> mmmm
[08:39:27] <Tom_L> https://www.aliexpress.com
[08:40:22] <XXCoder> i so rarely have issues at aliexpress
[08:40:30] <XXCoder> low expections though
[08:40:53] <Tom_L> https://www.ebay.com
[08:41:06] <jthornton> https://www.aliexpress.com
[08:41:14] <XXCoder> my solder station is at seattle now. soon
[08:41:37] <XXCoder> but flux and solder is at unknown position (exited orgin country) so probably a while.'
[08:42:09] <jthornton> I need the brass standoffs for this https://mesaus.com
[08:42:20] <jthornton> which solder station did you get?
[08:42:37] <XXCoder> oh its just cheap silicine surface from aliexpress
[08:42:54] <XXCoder> i have no shop table or any surface i dont care about
[08:43:45] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com
[08:43:53] <XXCoder> mine is middle in price
[08:44:31] <XXCoder> oh prices changed, mine is now cheapest
[08:45:53] <XXCoder> also got this kit https://www.aliexpress.com
[08:45:54] <XXCoder> fun
[08:53:24] <jthornton> yea saw the xmas tree
[09:19:06] <XXCoder> very safe power https://www.youtube.com
[09:31:16] <_unreal_> trying to figure out how to use the arduino with the cnc shield on linuxcnc?
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[09:32:01] <XXCoder> typically we doint use arudinos here so dunno
[09:33:01] <_unreal_> makes no sense at all to not support it... I mean $25 ish for an arduino and cnc hat WITH 4 2amp bipolar motor controllers...
[09:33:20] <_unreal_> just add motors....
[09:33:40] <_unreal_> So far looks like the only thing linuxcnc openly supports is parallel port
[09:33:59] <XXCoder> ethernet with MESA
[09:34:10] <cpresser> usb ist to slow.
[09:34:28] <_unreal_> usb is not slow at all....
[09:34:38] <XXCoder> usb isnt slow, but not rt
[09:34:42] <XXCoder> so its useless
[09:34:45] <cpresser> sounds weird, but usb has no realtime guarantee; so controlling heavy machinery is stupid
[09:34:47] <gloops> cant guarantee realtime with usb
[09:35:13] <_unreal_> dont need realtime. simply a buffer command set
[09:35:23] <XXCoder> when person is tangled with machine you want it to STOP NOW!!!!
[09:35:43] <XXCoder> not when it feels ;like it
[09:35:54] <_unreal_> ?
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[09:36:08] <cpresser> there are quite a few solutions out there that use usb; afaik mach4 does support most of them. but it works quite different than linuxcnc does
[09:37:08] <cpresser> the idea of linuxcnc is that the whole control is done on the host CPU; those usb boards/arduinos/whatever do the control on their own cpu
[09:38:12] <cpresser> its like asking to use railways with a car. you could adapt a car to run on tracks; but it defeats the initial purpose. just use roads instead :)
[09:38:32] <gloops> well im no expert, all i know is linuxcnc works fine for cnc machines, doesnt cost anything, simple, suits me
[09:38:45] <XXCoder> yeah more or less free
[09:39:13] <_unreal_> as is mach3, grbl and others
[09:39:24] <XXCoder> i say "more or less" because you want to build a pc specially for linuxcnc. mostly older hardware so can be free
[09:39:27] <_unreal_> @#%$@^$$% dog go away
[09:40:05] <_unreal_> still whining because other family members are still not up
[09:40:05] <gloops> a lot of people use mach4 because they can use a laptop instead of a desktop
[09:40:30] <gloops> and windows
[09:40:45] <_unreal_> I use to use turbocnc
[09:41:14] <_unreal_> worked great very fast on an old 486 laptop
[09:59:19] <gregcnc> oh man turbocnc
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[10:13:23] <pcw_home> jthornton: if you need a lot of hollow spacers or M/F threaded spaces, Fascomp in Florida is great
[10:19:45] <jthornton> pcw_home: thanks
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[10:47:36] <jthornton> I wonder if there is any reason to keep this box of modem cards???
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[10:54:37] <_unreal_> heh modem cards
[10:54:42] <_unreal_> ahh the good old days
[10:55:16] <_unreal_> I still have my old usrobotics external serial 56k modem somewhere
[10:55:35] <_unreal_> https://emc2arduino.wordpress.com
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[10:56:14] <_unreal_> found what I'm looking for from the looks of it. add support to use arduino based cnc motor controllers that are DIRT cheap.
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[11:26:41] <jthornton> how does that work?
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[12:36:30] <fragalot> jthornton: first, you start a kickstarter. then you don't update your website for at least 3 years.
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[12:47:52] <fragalot> that said - it does look pretty neat if you want masses of slow I/O added
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[13:02:39] <pcw_home> Yeah, doesn't look Like it ever really worked for motion but would be good for some smart peripheral like a tool changer
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[13:44:25] <Rab> "For my friends and family that have been wondering what I’ve been working on these past months."
[13:44:33] <Rab> "As we are nearing the roll-out our kick-starter campaign, I’m proud to finally be able to show-off something that my friends & I have been working so very hard to make a reality…."
[13:44:46] <Rab> [PocketNC Duck Call]
[13:47:23] <Rab> No demonstration of the finished product; a weak testimony for PocketNC and Fusion360.
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[14:13:27] <renesis> wtf arduino
[14:16:03] <renesis> wtf 2013/2015
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[14:33:29] <fragalot> renesis: 't was the time
[14:36:23] <JT-Shop2> hmm looks like I have the wrong reeves pulley for the lathe... wrong keyway
[14:37:21] <renesis> just ram it on there
[14:41:20] <JT-Shop2> if I had a 4mm key cutter I could fixit
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[14:48:43] <fragalot> JT-Shop2: just grind a toolbit & abuse the lathe as a shaper
[14:49:30] <gregcnc> I slotted 4mm in 4140PH that way last week
[14:50:04] <JT-Shop2> hmm, I'm not sure I follow
[14:50:42] <fragalot> basically you spend an hour or 2 doing this to save on buying a $80 broach
[14:51:06] <JT-Shop2> I guess I could grind a 4mm bit of 4140 to fit the key and press the pulley past it
[14:51:17] <JT-Shop2> or an $80 part
[14:51:24] <fragalot> put the pulley in the lathe, lock the spindle, and mount your tool into the tool post
[14:51:34] <fragalot> then just move it back & forth, taking a small pass every time just like you would in a shaper
[14:51:42] <JT-Shop2> ah I see
[14:51:58] * JT-Shop2 wonders if he can lock the spindle on the samson...
[14:52:09] <gregcnc> back gear?
[14:52:18] <JT-Shop2> yea
[14:52:20] * fragalot used some straps & a clamp the other day on his chinese lathe
[14:52:39] <JT-Shop2> back gear low is pretty locked up lol
[14:54:57] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com
[14:56:02] <fragalot> love the use of flood coolant :D
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[15:11:18] <_unreal_> finally!!!! got gelcoat on the problem side of the splash mold to stay
[15:11:19] <_unreal_> FINALLY
[15:11:34] <_unreal_> I stupidly used plexus to glue all my foam blocks together.....
[15:12:05] <_unreal_> VE, polyester, and gelcoat will not cure when near plexus cured or not
[15:12:17] <_unreal_> near or touching
[15:13:18] <_unreal_> so I've had these stupid ass lines around the mold that where more like divits...
[15:13:45] <_unreal_> finally just ground the SHIT out of them. I mean like 1/2" deep with my dremel. and packed all of them with car bondo.
[15:13:55] <_unreal_> THAT cured and got rid of it......
[15:14:11] <_unreal_> just finished trying to gel the stupid mold for the 5th time
[15:14:24] <_unreal_> still have to flip it over and spray the other face
[15:14:55] <_unreal_> 3pm and will be dark in 2 hours. dont know that I'll get time today
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[15:44:19] <JT-Shop2> finally got the damn reeves pulley to fit... took some hammering with the old key then just the right file to clean it up
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[16:32:52] <gloops> silent night
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[16:51:48] <Tom_L> every good shop had a FULL set of hammers
[16:52:31] <Tom_L> s/had/has
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[17:00:47] <gloops> theres usually one within 3 feet of me
[17:12:33] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:45:27] <jthornton> hmm got the old pc to boot without a monitor keyboard or mouse now to get samba working I think
[18:46:08] <Tom_L> :)
[18:46:13] <Tom_L> that's how my server is
[18:46:24] <Tom_L> 'headless'
[18:46:30] <jthornton> trying to get my camera server going again
[18:46:42] <jthornton> I can ssh into it now
[18:47:19] <jthornton> I have two IDE hard drives on it but not seeing the slave drive from ssh
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[19:25:40] * hazzy-m posted a file: JT Mint LinuxCNC.txt (3KB) < https://matrix.org >
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[21:18:52] <skunkworks> ide? what is that?
[21:18:56] <skunkworks> ;)
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[22:39:05] <roycroft> ide is that new-fangled thing that is supposed to replace st-506
[23:21:01] <flyback> that's nothing
[23:21:06] <flyback> I been dealing with a p100
[23:21:09] <flyback> 32mb ram
[23:21:11] <flyback> dead cdrom
[23:21:17] <flyback> isa nic no pxe booting
[23:21:21] <flyback> scsi-1
[23:21:24] <flyback> no usb
[23:21:25] <flyback> nt4
[23:21:34] <flyback> metal shavings in the case
[23:21:44] <Tom_L> i just resoldered the connectors on my P100
[23:21:44] <flyback> seized cpu fan and the wires were crispy
[23:21:50] <flyback> but I fixed it all up
[23:21:52] <flyback> and imaged it
[23:21:56] <flyback> the cmos batt was down to 1v
[23:22:03] <flyback> it would not have surv ived the trip overseas
[23:22:21] <flyback> p3 also but that one was in better shape with win2k and usb
[23:22:26] <flyback> they are both cnc machines
[23:22:32] <flyback> also had to fix a win9x one
[23:24:42] <flyback> else i'd build them a nice vm and vm host for their old software