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[03:35:33] <Deejay> moin
[03:35:50] <XXCoder> merry post-xmas
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[03:54:01] <Deejay> post? it still is xmas
[03:54:48] <XXCoder> its wed here
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[04:32:25] <gloops> nobody building a new machine in here?
[04:35:05] <XXCoder> apparently not
[04:35:33] <The_Ball> I'm building a new router
[04:36:05] <gloops> nice one The_Ball, any details or pics?
[04:37:01] <The_Ball> it's a copy of a commercial design I like, i forget their name, but they build cheapish large routers
[04:37:43] <gloops> ahh ok, well should be starting with a known to work design anyway with that
[04:38:40] <The_Ball> I have some alu profiles laying around, so I based the design around what I have and cheap chinese parts. Let me find a fusion 360 3D link
[04:39:36] <gloops> got to improvise with these things, it gets costly enough using what youve got without buying everything
[04:40:29] <The_Ball> but today I'm finally getting around to taking the first cut on a 3000lbs retrofit
[04:41:05] <gloops> seems to be fewer people coming here who are building, maybe because of need to register, a lot going arduino route as well
[04:41:19] <gloops> big milling machine The_Ball?
[04:42:18] <The_Ball> this is not mine -> http://uploads.units.se
[04:42:26] <The_Ball> But this is the same machine, a "modig md500"
[04:42:56] * The_Ball thinks LinuxCNC needs a media person to promote it
[04:43:17] <gloops> that looks substantial, someone else in here with a fair sized mill - miss0r
[04:43:35] <gloops> miss0r2
[04:44:09] <The_Ball> I just fired up the vismach config with the visualized 3d model of the carusel changer, amazing stuff, I didn't know it was there
[04:44:26] <XXCoder> ehat is name of machine gthat has changer?
[04:46:01] <The_Ball> ehat?
[04:46:52] <XXCoder> what
[04:53:12] <The_Ball> gloops, this is the router design I'm working on https://a360.co
[04:54:25] <XXCoder> The_Ball: whats name of vis_mach config that has tool changer carusel?
[04:56:08] <The_Ball> sim.axis.vismac.VMC_toolchange
[04:56:53] <XXCoder> nice thanks
[04:57:49] <gloops> looks ok The_Ball , werent you trying to do a toolchanger XXCoder?
[04:58:38] <XXCoder> not tool changer but seemed like most advanced example
[04:58:53] <XXCoder> it might actually explain the stock
[05:00:58] <XXCoder> "#tool goes here.. maybe later" lol
[05:01:07] <XXCoder> I made mine work with tool
[05:01:12] <XXCoder> lets see what it uses for stock
[05:02:20] <The_Ball> found the design I'm basing mine of off: https://www.cncrouterparts.com
[05:02:23] <XXCoder> drat! just "work = Capture()" unexplained and unused
[05:03:23] <XXCoder> my tutorial vismach rolfmill/3axis_tutorial covers basics of everything but "work" :(
[05:03:30] <The_Ball> XXCoder, what is this "work = Capture()" you are looking for?
[05:03:42] <XXCoder> its unknown feature of vismach
[05:04:05] <XXCoder> i guess it is still not completed. my guess is it gets stock size from linuxcnc and shows it as model in machine visuals
[05:04:34] <XXCoder> you using 2.7 or 2.8?
[05:04:54] <The_Ball> just stock 2.7.14
[05:05:31] <XXCoder> not sure what version rolfmill come in but if you are curious on how vismach works i wrote a whole lot of comments on it.
[05:05:45] <XXCoder> 2.7 but have to be pretty recent lol
[05:06:56] <The_Ball> The visualization part of it, or the actual ATC code? I'm not particularly interested in the visualization ATM
[05:07:18] <XXCoder> visualizion. its very basic so no tool changing'
[05:07:26] <XXCoder> ione you found is best one
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[05:07:34] <XXCoder> and I think its also worse as its only one. lol
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[05:10:49] <XXCoder> thanks for acciently helping me tho lol
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[05:13:10] <The_Ball> hehe, excellent
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[05:13:25] <XXCoder> example is very interesting
[05:13:36] <XXCoder> vismach side anyway HAL is what youre interested in
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[05:49:49] <Deejay> XXCoder, its wed here too. seconds christmas holiday. so it still is christmas ;)
[05:50:01] <XXCoder> lol
[05:51:04] <Deejay> whut?
[05:51:14] <Deejay> *second
[05:51:43] <gloops> the big for making a large format wooden camera is slowly return, far as i can see cnc router can make all parts...but complicated to get prototype design made
[05:51:52] <gloops> big=bug
[05:52:23] <XXCoder> took me bit to figure whats you saying lol
[05:52:27] <XXCoder> so you might make one eh
[05:52:38] <XXCoder> all except lens I guess
[05:53:02] <XXCoder> and film lol
[05:53:28] <gloops> https://www.pinterest.co.uk
[05:53:40] <XXCoder> if you plan to, you might want black 2.0 aryric paint. its blacknest possible black, perfect for photography
[05:53:41] <gloops> possible, worth the effort though, i dunno
[05:54:03] <gloops> yeah some parts would need to be black
[05:54:21] <XXCoder> https://culturehustle.com
[05:55:19] <XXCoder> IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE: this is not the blackest black in the world. It is however a better black than the blackest black in the world as it is actually usable by artists.
[05:55:19] <XXCoder> *Except Anish Kapoor
[05:55:37] <gloops> i remember that from something else we were talking about XXCoder, probably see if the camera gets made before ordering though lol
[05:56:02] <XXCoder> i plan to order one once I has 3d printer and evenually cnc router
[05:56:13] <XXCoder> just for lols. its cheap enough.
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[05:56:37] <XXCoder> theres also pinkest pink (they couldnt show how pink it is as it goes past camera limit)
[05:56:57] <gloops> pinkest pink would probably be popular
[05:57:26] <XXCoder> they also has mattest matt white. very flat. also bunch other colors
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[05:58:54] <XXCoder> honestly only one I want is black
[05:59:24] <gloops> i like the idea for small rack and pinion - piece of timing belt, with a piece stuck to a round pulley
[05:59:28] <gloops> https://jongrepstaddotcom.files.wordpress.com
[06:00:04] <XXCoder> theres so mny old camera plans. lol
[06:00:24] <gloops> think id buy a toothed pulley that size though
[06:01:28] <gloops> the wista one above is £850 new - probably cost of materials £20
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[06:06:55] <XXCoder> geez
[06:15:22] <jthornton> morning
[06:16:15] <XXCoder> hey
[06:16:29] <XXCoder> jthornton: The_Ball found the hal and vismach for toolchanger one
[06:17:06] <XXCoder> its named sim.axis.vismach.VMC_toolchange
[06:17:21] <XXCoder> vismach isnt very complex
[06:17:31] <XXCoder> but I guess complex part is in HAL
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[06:30:54] <jthornton> cool
[06:31:49] <XXCoder> aaaand unfortunately work is as well as in other vismachs
[06:31:57] <XXCoder> *as well used as
[06:38:44] <Tom_L> 50°F Hi 56 & rain
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[06:43:40] <Deejay> 32°F and rain :/
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[06:49:14] <XXCoder> yo
[06:49:34] <XXCoder> all days 38-40s f, rain
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[06:58:08] <gloops> mild with hazy sun here
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[07:15:51] <weenerdog> howdy
[07:24:09] <gloops> mo'nin
[07:25:44] <cpresser> L/win 17
[07:26:10] <jdh> 85f, sunny
[07:27:28] <weenerdog> 31 & clear
[07:30:12] <jthornton> 38°F fog and it's gonna rain tonight here
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[08:23:20] <_unreal_> finally finished all the soldering for the final motor controller
[08:23:31] <_unreal_> now I have but to drill holes and connect wires
[08:23:37] <_unreal_> and mount the mf'ers
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[09:19:44] <gloops> why women live longer than men https://www.facebook.com
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[09:44:52] * roycroft will live longer by avoiding facebook :)
[09:46:01] <gloops> give in to the dark side roycroft
[09:48:08] <roycroft> i've held out this long without any problem
[09:48:17] <roycroft> and the days of the facebook are waning
[09:48:21] <roycroft> so i'll be fine :)
[09:50:41] <gloops> this is why your screws didnt arrive - package sorting in china lol https://www.facebook.com
[09:55:58] <gloops> i think at some point im going to make a low rpm spindle for my router, for ally and brass
[09:56:30] <gloops> using a hand router spindle, maybe some stepped pulleys from an old drill press
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[10:07:46] <Loetmichel> maaan... 5 times update install followed by a reboot... THAT was high time... thats what you get for letting win7 run for months on end without any reboot... :-)
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[14:03:59] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[14:04:05] <gloops> dont think ill be bidding
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[14:21:56] <The_Ball> what a find :D
[14:28:01] <Tom_L> gloops, you'd feel right at home here today. been raining all damn day
[14:28:18] <gloops> lol, its not been bad here
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[15:00:43] <Vitran> Hellos
[15:01:08] <Vitran> No snow up here in Canada region here this Christmas
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[16:10:33] <srk> anyone familiar with with overal architecture and the details of gcode -> canon -> hal -> motion pipeline?
[16:36:18] <cradek> srk: do you have a more specific question?
[16:39:32] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:42:22] <srk> cradek: wondering how the pipeline is executed - I think I understand the parsing/conversion to canon part but not what happens then
[16:43:31] <srk> canon is interpreted when machine is started and outputs coordinates for hal (kinematics) and motion planning
[16:44:28] <srk> how do you know how many codes to process at once, how is the mapping between gcode line and canon preserved?
[16:47:28] <cradek> I think this is all done with state machines in task (src/emc/task) and for the last question, the canon calls just have line numbers as a parameter
[16:47:52] <cradek> one gcode line can cause several/many canon calls and they would all get the same line number
[16:48:24] <srk> yeah, noticed that with G81 for example
[16:53:37] <srk> :D //TODO make lookahead depth configurable from the INI file
[16:55:35] <cradek> I think it is now, but I don't know the details. The defaults are fine.
[16:56:45] <srk> I'm reimplementing all this from scratch so I'm wondering how stuff is done in linuxcnc
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[18:13:45] <ziper> XXCoder, any comment on how hard it would be to interface with the old servo controllers?
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[22:00:30] <ziper> my ass is thoroughly chapped
[22:00:42] <ziper> went to put the car on the rail and the bearings popped out
[22:01:12] <ziper> also i'm having a hard time keeping the car parallel to the track, so the corner of the bearing digs in to the rail
[22:02:34] <ziper> I guess I will make up a metal plate for the cars, and then bolt that to the gantry
[22:22:19] <norias> ...
[22:22:25] <norias> are you... making a train?
[22:28:06] <roycroft> a sushi train?
[22:33:32] <Net|> find . -type d -print0 > dirs.txt
[22:33:33] <Net|> find . -type f -print0 > files.txt
[22:33:33] <Net|> #find symbolic links
[22:33:33] <Net|> xargs -0 mkdir -p <dirs.txt
[22:33:33] <Net|> cat files.txt | while read FILENAMES; do touch "$FILENAMES"; done
[22:33:33] <Net|> #then tar all that up and you have a remote filesystem snapshot for about 1mb
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[22:34:14] <adamj12b> Does anyone know of a list of math function that can be used in subroutines?
[22:34:36] <adamj12b> Im sure its possible but im looking for an ABS() function to compare 2 values.
[22:35:21] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org
[22:35:59] <cradek> also see section 5 a little above
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[22:44:10] <adamj12b> cradek: Perfect! Thanks a bunch!
[22:51:10] <ziper> norias, no, a cnc router
[22:51:23] <norias> oh
[22:53:08] <Net|> https://www.ebay.ca << handy things to have if you own apple stuff
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[23:07:27] <adamj12b> ok, Ive got another one. Can an M30 in a subroutine stop the machine or will it just stop the sub?
[23:09:52] <norias> usually stops the machine
[23:10:11] <norias> if i remember right, it is defined as "stop program, rewind tape"
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[23:16:56] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[23:17:10] <Tom_L> i interpret that as if the M30 is in a sub the program will end
[23:17:39] <norias> fair
[23:17:51] <norias> you know, i forgot this was specifically linuxcnc related
[23:18:09] <Tom_L> i think that holds true for quite a few controls
[23:18:38] <Tom_L> the % mark the start and end of code but i think if the M30 is seen in the middle the last half won't execute
[23:19:03] <norias> that's been my experience
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