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[02:24:29] <Loetmichel> hmm, should i be concerned when the left 35W xenon HID headlight of my car eats the second 15A fuse in two weeks?... and why do have NONE of the three fuel stations on my way to work any fuses left? "ordered them three times now at the distributor, they never show up!"... i sense a consipracy... :-)
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[02:41:08] <MarcelineVQ> It would be a conspiracy if everyone you met just so happened to have fuses they wanted to sell you
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[02:57:54] <renesis> fuses come from digikey, mouser and arror
[02:58:30] <Loetmichel> renesis: car fuses
[02:58:40] <renesis> they prob have a machine that shoots them into boxes from the other side of the warehouse
[02:58:44] <renesis> they have them
[02:58:48] <Loetmichel> those pesky little things with two knifes
[02:59:42] <Loetmichel> digikey and similar box shifting companys have a bit long delivery time when you dont want to drive "one-eyed"
[02:59:45] <renesis> https://www.digikey.com
[03:00:19] <renesis> youre supposed to keep the little extra fuse spaces filled up!
[03:01:53] <Loetmichel> i DO have a few 30A fuses in the cupholder... i am just wary to install them into a 15A slot that already blew 2 fuses... dont want to have a engine compartment fire
[03:02:01] <renesis> no!
[03:02:17] <renesis> just ram some wires in there
[03:02:34] <renesis> i trip out on fusible links
[03:02:59] <renesis> like, mechanically they seem fine, they just look so wrong
[03:04:11] <renesis> why does your car eat fuses
[03:04:56] <Loetmichel> thats the initial question ;)
[03:05:59] <renesis> are they are on separate fuses?
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[03:06:17] <renesis> if yes, swap the bulb
[03:06:46] <renesis> like, left and right bulbs, swap them vice versa
[03:07:06] <renesis> if you blow other fuse, buy new bulb
[03:07:17] <renesis> if you blow same fuse, buy new car
[03:08:23] <Loetmichel> the (xenon HID) bulb IS new. replaced it last week because i thought it was the bulb, not the fse
[03:08:24] <Loetmichel> fuse
[03:08:33] <renesis> oh
[03:08:46] <renesis> is the other one old?
[03:09:05] <renesis> if they dont look exactly the same, i would swap anyway
[03:09:06] <Loetmichel> i think its either some damaged wire or a HID starter box gone bad
[03:09:13] <renesis> yeah
[03:09:24] <renesis> sell car
[03:09:25] <Loetmichel> and yes, the car is from 2003
[03:09:35] <renesis> maybe sell car
[03:09:38] <Loetmichel> so quite old
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[03:09:53] <renesis> yeah but thats not like, hopeless electronics era
[03:10:10] <renesis> through mid 90s, some of that shit is like, might as well just redo the whole car
[03:10:23] <renesis> fuck the 80s
[03:10:56] <Loetmichel> i have to sell it anyways in february. will not pass the next road safety test... and its a diesel
[03:11:12] <renesis> sad car is sad
[03:11:20] <Loetmichel> (and germany now has a few citys where are no diesel CARS are allowed)
[03:11:56] <renesis> everyone mad at VW
[03:12:14] <renesis> they like FUCK YO RABBITS
[03:12:26] <Loetmichel> suspension is damaged. when i hit the brakes the steering wheel turns right ~20° or the car pulls to the left if you grip the wheel firmly
[03:12:45] <Loetmichel> that wouldnt fly with german "TUEV"
[03:12:55] <renesis> thats prob good
[03:14:34] <Loetmichel> that alone would be repairable. but in conjunction with the worn down tyres and the other small problems (and being a diesel) its just not worth it to repair it for the next "TUeV" due in february
[03:15:20] <Loetmichel> sad thing is that there is no similar big station wagon on the market to replace it
[03:15:36] <renesis> gotta buy a crossover
[03:15:54] <Loetmichel> even a 5 series BMW station wagon is about 4" smaller in any direction inside
[03:16:13] <renesis> bmw is a car you wear
[03:16:45] <Loetmichel> than the Opel Omega i drive now. (i think that was sold as a cadillac catera in the US, although not as a station wagon)
[03:19:20] <Loetmichel> i really like that car. https://www.spritmonitor.de
[03:20:33] <Loetmichel> ... only car i know that fits a washing machine upright in the "trunk" and can still drive 130mph++ with 1,4 tons of machinery in the back :-)
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[03:21:26] <CaptHindsight> $34 x86 board with cpu http://linuxgizmos.com
[03:22:01] <CaptHindsight> TTL serial debug up to 3.6Mbps, have to see how they connected this port
[03:22:50] <CaptHindsight> 26-pin header for power and GPIO,, how fast can the GPIO be toggled?
[03:23:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com
[03:32:25] <Loetmichel> renesis: what do you mean by "wear"?
[03:33:27] <CaptHindsight> if the BIOS supports the GPIO then this board can software step at 1.8V
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[03:34:54] <CaptHindsight> just needs a level shifter and isolation
[03:36:09] <Deejay> moin
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[03:38:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.digital-loggers.com
[03:40:27] <renesis> loetmichel: drivers car, more emphasis on driver ergonomics and chassis stiffness than interior space
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[03:43:06] <Loetmichel> 5 series BMW station wagon IS big for euroean measures... still the omega is bigger ;)
[03:43:29] <Loetmichel> ... btw: it has a BMW engine and (automatic)gearbox
[03:43:44] <renesis> neat
[03:43:53] <Loetmichel> the omega is even a bit bigger than an E-class mercedes station wagon ;)
[03:45:47] <gloops> Sky News
[03:45:47] <gloops> Verified account @SkyNews
[03:45:47] <gloops> 16h16 hours ago
[03:45:47] <gloops> Russia says new missile flies at 27 times the speed of sound and renders all defences useless
[03:49:45] <gloops> shame, we'd just got iron dome working as well!
[03:50:29] <CaptHindsight> but...
[03:50:54] <CaptHindsight> it's made of diamond so they only could afford to make 1
[03:51:23] <CaptHindsight> lets see mach 27
[03:52:15] <gloops> "But that design increases the risk of it disintegrating and it loses accuracy.
[03:52:15] <gloops> "These systems add nothing to the Russian nuclear deterrent."
[03:52:18] <rmu> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:53:06] <CaptHindsight> 20.7K mph
[03:53:41] <gloops> what you need is a batch missile, that approaches as a group, 5 dummies, 1 carrying the warhead
[03:53:46] <Deejay> will it melt?
[03:54:11] <gloops> no its teflon coated
[03:54:32] <Deejay> hm k
[03:54:49] <CaptHindsight> what happens after the teflon burns away?
[03:55:17] <Deejay> the missile is already detonated to that time ;)
[03:55:29] <gloops> it will take an awful lot of scrubbing to get fried egg off it
[03:55:45] <Loetmichel> at mach 27 teflon will not help. the tip will be red hot
[03:56:01] <Loetmichel> teflon burns up at ~400++ deg C
[03:56:09] <CaptHindsight> Mach 10 (7000 mph) speed will be in the neighborhood of 3600 degrees,
[03:56:10] <Deejay> hmm, need inconel
[03:56:20] <CaptHindsight> F
[03:56:45] <Loetmichel> s/red hot/white hot
[03:56:47] <Loetmichel> :-)
[03:57:31] <gloops> why dont things re-entering slipstream something else
[03:57:41] <gloops> would cut down the friction
[03:58:05] <CaptHindsight> so the story is another big fat Russian lie!
[03:58:21] <gloops> a bit like star wars
[03:59:13] <CaptHindsight> looks like that $34 x86 board only has 6 GPIO
[03:59:37] <CaptHindsight> so maybe 3 Step/Dir's
[03:59:41] <CaptHindsight> figures
[04:00:52] <CaptHindsight> the serial debug port with a $1 fpga might be the answer
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[04:07:44] <veek> oh yep
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[04:09:52] <gloops> my next cnc job is to replace nema 23s with 34s, already got the motors
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[04:10:40] <gloops> but the drivers and 25mm pulleys and belts will cost around £100 or so
[04:11:07] <gloops> £130-40
[04:13:48] <gloops> however, that does free up nema 23s and drivers etc for another machine, so no cost at all really
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[05:35:28] <Loetmichel> GNHIHI... after the steam explosion a few weeks ago the coworker bought a new mokka pot... THAT should be sufficient for all the workers here... AND has a fresh thread, so no danger of another *POP* in the coffee kitchen with subsequent cleaning... -> http://www.cyrom.org
[05:36:51] <Loetmichel> ... 1.2 liters espresso... ought to be enough for half a dozen workers ;)
[05:37:56] <XXCoder> tea time
[05:54:22] <jthornton> morning
[05:54:42] <XXCoder> hey jthornton today was boring till end of day
[05:54:55] <XXCoder> found out my rear tiny window in car was shattered
[05:55:12] <jthornton> what broke it?
[05:55:17] <XXCoder> shape of impact is weird so dunno
[05:55:24] <XXCoder> looks like hit with screwdriver or something
[05:55:30] <XXCoder> or maybe tiny rock or bb gun
[05:55:40] <XXCoder> note here is NOT redneck area so dunno
[06:03:28] <Tom_L> morning
[06:03:38] <XXCoder> hey
[06:04:26] <Tom_L> 24F, Hi 32, Lo 17 with broken clouds
[06:04:31] <XXCoder> fun
[06:04:52] <XXCoder> wow monday might be 30f here
[06:05:09] <XXCoder> and no wonder, its ater 2 days of clear days
[06:05:33] <XXCoder> wow after sunday looks like no rain for few days
[06:05:37] <XXCoder> not normal for here
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[07:07:09] <Spida> rene_dev_: are you at 35c3?
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[08:36:47] <fragalot> oh lord i'm back in 1992
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[08:37:09] <fragalot> downloading a 4.5MB printer driver, and it's ETA is 20 days, 4 hours, and 32 minutes.
[08:38:23] <XXCoder> not 90s unless time is getting longer as download progresses.
[08:38:38] <fragalot> give it some time, lol
[08:38:56] <XXCoder> havent seen microsoft time for while now
[08:39:01] <XXCoder> predictions is pretty good
[08:39:01] <tehnull> not 90s if one of your sisters friends doesn't call and boot you
[08:39:30] <jthornton> I just had a flash vision after watching some videos about sheet goods racks and for a guy with a pallet jack mine will be movable with the pallet jack
[08:40:03] <jthornton> one guy used EMT to make adjustable width areas in his rack... still pondering that
[08:41:44] <fragalot> EMT?
[08:42:08] <fragalot> XXCoder: 31 days!
[08:42:19] <jthornton> Electric Metallic Tube
[08:42:25] <jthornton> conduit
[08:42:52] <fragalot> isn't that stuff really flimsy?
[08:43:07] <XXCoder> fragalot: congats! you got microsoft time!
[08:43:13] <jthornton> no, it can be bent but it's pretty stiff
[08:43:27] * jthornton has bent miles of it in his life
[08:43:37] <fragalot> stiff, sure.. but for a rack?
[08:43:51] <jthornton> just for dividers
[08:44:09] <Loetmichel> i have seen some using 1" black (water) pipe... EMT would be a bit thin imho
[08:44:39] <Loetmichel> galvanized steel water pipe, sorry, not black pipe
[08:44:40] <jthornton> not for dividers...
[08:45:01] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[08:46:05] * jthornton goes to start a fire
[08:46:17] <fragalot> rebar. :P
[08:46:31] <Loetmichel> ah, like that? -> http://www.cyrom.org
[08:46:33] <fragalot> even for dividers, if they are that length i'd still not feel "right" using that
[08:46:51] <XXCoder> if you live near place thats being broken down can get free rebar though probbaly need to strighten
[08:47:08] <Loetmichel> just a bit of shipping box plywood though
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[08:51:10] <gloops> https://www.globalresearch.ca
[08:51:36] <gloops> well i did say so...
[08:52:46] <XXCoder> lots appeals to emotions.
[08:53:47] <gloops> they should have known when May delayed every single step in the process
[08:54:07] <gloops> we are now literally in the last couple of months and no deal has been voted on
[08:54:52] <Loetmichel> i dont see the trap there.
[08:54:58] <fragalot> me neither
[08:55:00] <Loetmichel> for the europeans i mean
[08:55:08] <gloops> UK to leave with no deal
[08:55:08] <Loetmichel> only a debacle for the brits
[08:55:31] <gloops> no 39 billion for the EU for one thing
[08:56:03] <veek> gloops, yeah but that's only needed if debts need to be paid
[08:56:17] <gloops> the act itself will send tremors round world stock markets - eu banking very fragile indeed
[08:56:35] <gloops> veek the eu has many pressing debts
[08:56:37] <veek> china might lend?
[08:56:51] <gloops> china needs to borrow for itself right now
[08:56:54] <veek> who holds those debts?
[08:56:55] <XXCoder> money always has threads on it
[08:57:04] <veek> gloops, only internally
[08:57:07] <fragalot> every country has debts. having debt used to be a strategic "good thing"
[08:57:10] <fragalot> as a country
[08:57:10] <gloops> veek the bundersbank
[08:57:25] <veek> gloops ah that's internal debts
[08:57:36] <gloops> also UK and USA
[08:57:52] <fragalot> XXCoder: this printer dirver doesn't work >.>
[08:58:08] <veek> right so as far as UK/US debt .. the chinese could buy it
[08:58:22] <XXCoder> wow its feb already? I havent slept since I returned home from post-xmas work day
[08:58:33] <gloops> veek the EU is like a house of cards right now
[08:58:44] <XXCoder> no wonder I feel like I havent slept for 40 days
[08:59:10] <veek> gloops, i agree but for the derivatives trade to unwind there has to be a default.. which basically means a lack of lenders
[08:59:38] <gloops> if italy defaults there is no bailout
[09:00:56] <veek> yeah but again italian debt coming due could be guaranteed by someone else/china.. the real worry is the possibility of war rather than debt default
[09:01:29] <gloops> obviously all these shtf scenarioscan be avoided - by granting a swift and generous trade deal with the UK
[09:01:54] <Loetmichel> gloops: debt itself isnt a problem. it becomes a problem when you cant service it any more and have to default
[09:02:03] <Loetmichel> because you will not get new lends then
[09:02:12] <Loetmichel> as a country
[09:03:19] <veek> it depends on the next american elections i guess
[09:03:28] <fragalot> one of the reasons you would not get a loan would be if you .. y'know.. intentionally withheld 39BN of open invoices
[09:03:29] <gloops> well, the germans have dealt with smaller defaults like Greece, - Greece did default it just wasnt called a default, but they cant cover much more now - supposing germany defaults to outside lenders, what then
[09:04:08] <gloops> fragalot those were IOUs pledged on the event of securing a trade deal - no such deal has been agreed
[09:04:09] <veek> gloops, ah but who is the outside lender?
[09:05:07] <veek> ultimately the players are the eurozone and US, UK, China, Japan (mostly)
[09:05:42] <veek> so ultimately it's an arrangement between the US/UK and China
[09:05:53] <fragalot> does anyone know where I can find a printer driver for a samsung C480W Xpress?
[09:07:03] <gloops> samsung?
[09:07:10] <gloops> https://samsung-printerdrivers.com
[09:07:32] <fragalot> I tried most of those, they fail to install
[09:09:04] <gloops> probably the same ones on third party sites https://www.fullinstaller.com
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[09:13:22] <fragalot_> finally seem to have found a copy that works
[09:13:29] <fragalot_> but it took 3 attempts >.>
[09:14:03] <fragalot_> this is why i hate "no you can't tell me the model and IP address I want to find it on my own" drivers
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[09:20:06] <gloops> i found mint seem to find 'a' driver for most things i plugged in
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[11:26:25] <fragalot_> miss0r2: found you another beauty. https://www.ebay.co.uk
[11:28:05] <fragalot_> miss0r2: pristine condition. i'm sure it's only been used once or twice to scrape in a small gib or 2. motor that is nowhere near being obsolete, parts can easily be sourced, and it uses a sane voltage.
[11:31:29] <gloops> 250 for that?
[11:31:57] <fragalot_> not an abnormal asking price
[11:32:10] <fragalot_> but that particular one would get a hard pass from me
[11:35:43] <gloops> thing with those, they arent an everyday diy tool, sellers know there are people who are looking and cant wait too long
[11:36:09] <fragalot_> yup. and new ones cost about the same as a black market kidney
[11:38:10] <fragalot_> https://www.youtube.com <=== I have to say, this is _THE_ best series on welding distrotion that I've ever seen
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[13:54:58] <gloops> hmm, these 5w lasers are only £85 https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[14:22:03] <syyl_> haha fragalot_
[14:22:05] <syyl_> that guy
[14:22:11] <syyl_> good friend of mine
[14:22:21] <syyl_> he is the weirdest engineer i ever met
[14:22:41] <syyl_> way to clever AND a stinkn good machinist
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[15:13:46] <miss0r2> fragalot_: That thing looks quite tired :)
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[15:32:45] <fragalot_> syyl_: I found him looking for machine rebuilding videos.. his mill looked quite tasty when he was done
[15:35:24] <syyl_> yep :D
[15:35:53] <syyl_> love his vakuum-brazed central-lubrication-distributor
[15:36:14] <fragalot_> completely over-engineered.. just the way I like it
[15:38:09] <fragalot_> what's also fun is that if he wouldn't have video'd and shared it.... nobody would know.
[15:38:38] <syyl_> haha yes
[15:38:49] <syyl_> he lives not to far from me
[15:38:59] <syyl_> but we get around to meet only about once a year, haha
[15:39:43] <fragalot_> :-)
[15:40:25] <fragalot_> I just used your radius grinding tip today actually
[15:40:34] <fragalot_> not sure why it never occurred to me to do it that way >.>
[15:41:24] <syyl_> :D
[15:42:21] <fragalot_> just came back from fixing someone's collection of snow machines.. they gave me a cupcake after I was done rebuilding around 6 pumps
[15:42:25] <fragalot_> that tiny thing was a full meal >.<
[15:42:32] <fragalot_> like eating a stick of butter
[15:42:35] <syyl_> lol :D
[15:55:25] <JT-Shop2> snow making machines?
[15:58:51] <gloops> sounds like some kind of performer
[16:05:02] <fragalot_> JT-Shop2: yeah
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[16:05:25] <fragalot_> gloops: kinda. event organizer / insane entrepenour is a better description
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[16:17:35] <JT-Shop> lol
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[16:47:44] <The_Ball> How do people manage changing gears? I have a electromagnetically operated hi/low gear
[16:47:55] <The_Ball> I can't see a M/G code for it
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[16:49:16] <The_Ball> M41/M42 is not implemented in LinuxCNC, should I remap and use it?
[16:49:46] <fragalot_> you could, but I think there is a way to have linuxCNC do it automatically depending ont he spindle speed you request
[16:49:50] <The_Ball> Or do people automatically select depending on the currently selected S
[16:50:54] <The_Ball> The issue I see with auto is in an operation where the speed changes I need to have the spindle slow down to <100RPM before switching gears
[16:54:11] <fragalot_> should be possible I think
[16:54:40] <fragalot_> https://github.com <-- perhaps this can be of some help?
[16:57:47] <Rab> Ugh, McMaster-Carr order damaged in transit...UPS opened the box and all the stock fell out.
[16:58:57] <Rab> While talking to customer service I realized they had collected TX sales tax on the order, pursuant to the Supreme Court decision in October.
[16:59:27] <pcw_mesa> Its been tenderized...
[17:00:21] <Rab> So re-sending the order got put on hold for my reseller tax cert, and from there it was fun and games with scanner support in Linux.
[17:00:46] <Rab> Hopefully McMaster can make some sense of these issues.
[17:00:58] <fragalot_> do it like a man and take a picture of it on your phone, preferably with the paper on the floor, showing your bare feet if possible
[17:02:19] <Rab> Shiny object in the picture, in case just the feet doesn't satisfy?
[17:02:44] <fragalot_> only if you're shirtless
[17:04:48] <The_Ball> fragalot_, that's a hefty gearbox!
[17:05:16] <fragalot_> The_Ball: Yea...... but it's the only good worked out & documented example I know of :-)
[17:06:35] <gloops> you shouldnt really post pics of the interior of your house, thats how they caught Dahlmer
[17:06:46] <fragalot_> who?
[17:06:56] <gloops> Geoffery Dahlmer
[17:07:03] <fragalot_> doesn't ring a bell
[17:07:16] <syyl_> i dont think fragalot_ is a serialkiller
[17:07:20] <gloops> oh he was a serial killer in the USA
[17:07:43] <fragalot_> syyl_: yeah, what are the chances of BOTH of us being one ey?
[17:08:03] <syyl_> :D
[17:08:36] <gloops> the cop walked into his house for nothing serious, noticed some photos scattered around of body parts, still didnt think anything of it until he realised the background in the photos was the room he was standing in
[17:11:02] * The_Ball get's chills
[17:11:35] <syyl_> "just photos of body parts, nothing to be suspicious off"
[17:11:59] <gloops> well, nobody had any idea he had killed 20 people
[17:12:13] <gloops> could have been some photos out of a magazine or something
[17:12:25] <gloops> they found a head in the fridge etc
[17:13:22] <syyl_> THAT would make me suspicious
[17:13:31] <syyl_> speaking of making
[17:13:32] <fragalot_> lol
[17:13:35] <syyl_> http://gtwr.de
[17:13:44] <fragalot_> Smooth plug
[17:13:44] <syyl_> got tired of indexing by hand
[17:13:55] <fragalot_> oh, speaking of indexing
[17:13:59] <syyl_> http://gtwr.de
[17:14:02] <fragalot_> do you still use your electronic leadscrew on the lathe?
[17:14:06] <syyl_> yes
[17:14:12] <fragalot_> happy with it?
[17:14:15] <syyl_> yes :D
[17:14:17] <syyl_> very
[17:14:30] <fragalot_> care to link me to the vendor? :P
[17:14:42] <syyl_> https://www.rocketronics.de
[17:14:57] <syyl_> sure - but i am not sure if there is anything in english availible
[17:15:16] <fragalot_> german is fine for me
[17:15:39] <syyl_> :)
[17:16:41] <Tom_L> so because of the lack of snow around here this year the city has declared a snow day and hired a vendor to come in and make snow on a hill
[17:16:48] <Tom_L> personally i'm fine without it
[17:17:16] <fragalot_> what a peculiar problem to have
[17:17:27] <Tom_L> :)
[17:17:40] <Tom_L> week after they do it we'll get a blizzard
[17:17:44] <SpeedEvil> Your tax dollars at work.
[17:20:18] <fragalot_> syyl_: i'm disappointed you're not using actual wire wrap methods on that board :P
[17:20:35] <syyl_> haha, this was already annoying enough :D
[17:20:50] <fragalot_> :-)
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[17:23:19] <fragalot_> syyl_: did you get both X and Z axis or just the Z?
[17:23:26] <syyl_> only z
[17:23:35] <syyl_> not precise enough in x
[17:23:57] <syyl_> without feedback from the linear scales
[17:24:23] <fragalot_> pfft, my X is perfectly accurately off by ~4% if you go by the marks on the handle
[17:24:28] <syyl_> :D
[17:24:49] <fragalot_> i'm pretty sure it's an imperial leadscrew & they just said "close enough" and marked it in metric
[17:24:50] <syyl_> customers dont appreciate 4% of diametrical error ;)
[17:25:04] <syyl_> thats common
[17:25:43] <fragalot_> what motor did you get for yours? (i'm not sure how much torque is required)
[17:26:30] <syyl_> i got the full kit
[17:26:35] <syyl_> with the 4A stepper
[17:26:40] <syyl_> and the leadshine driver
[17:26:57] <fragalot_> they don't have a 1 axis kit anymore, now you need to configure it yourself.
[17:27:38] <syyl_> hmpf
[17:28:48] <syyl_> i think its this motor
[17:28:49] <syyl_> https://www.sorotec.de
[17:28:58] <fragalot_> 3Nm. cool, thanks
[17:29:17] <syyl_> and a ND556 leadshine
[17:29:27] <syyl_> all running on a 48V meanwell psu
[17:32:02] <fragalot_> bye bye change gears! :D
[17:32:50] <syyl_> funny enough
[17:32:56] <syyl_> i probably buy a new lathe next year
[17:33:05] <syyl_> and i will not put the els on it again
[17:33:24] <fragalot_> because the new lathe will not have the irritating change gear system that your current one has?
[17:33:33] <syyl_> ha, yes
[17:33:38] <syyl_> probably
[17:33:48] <syyl_> not sure yet what to buy
[17:33:57] <fragalot_> my gripe with it now is that I'll try to avoid having to change the gears far too much
[17:33:59] <syyl_> but i am 99% locked on a weiler primus
[17:35:11] <fragalot_> looks like the perfect size for a hobby shop with limited space
[17:35:35] <syyl_> yes
[17:35:37] <syyl_> :D
[17:35:48] <syyl_> and i want a more solid machine - with a collet taper in the spindle
[17:37:54] <fragalot_> can't say I disagree
[17:38:12] <fragalot_> the current one (250x550) is.. alright. if you know how to baby it just right.
[17:38:20] <syyl_> i wouldnt mind a hardinge hlvl
[17:38:26] <fragalot_> and are aware that the bed appears to warp with the seasons
[17:38:26] <syyl_> but they are rare
[17:39:13] <fragalot_> do you have any pictures of your ELS installation
[17:39:21] <syyl_> i sure have
[17:39:39] <Tom_L> several on ebay for 16k and up :D
[17:39:49] <syyl_> http://gtwr.de
[17:39:56] <syyl_> sorry, again only german :D
[17:40:04] <fragalot_> again - not a problem :-)
[17:40:07] <syyl_> :)
[17:40:21] <syyl_> bottom of the page, singlepointed a m2 thread
[17:40:22] <syyl_> :D
[17:40:52] <fragalot_> oh yours had a small gearbox to begin with
[17:40:57] <syyl_> yes
[17:41:05] <syyl_> with idiotic gear-ratios
[17:41:09] <fragalot_> hehe
[17:41:14] <syyl_> was basicaly useless
[17:41:26] <fragalot_> I went to a local machine rebuilder to see if they had a decent mill in stock before I bought the schaublin
[17:41:49] <fragalot_> they just got in a new batch of machines they custom ordered in taiwan, but there were some "lost in translation" issues
[17:41:56] <syyl_> lol
[17:42:01] <fragalot_> the 2 speed motor they requested, was just 1 speed.. and the gearbox was set up for a 2 speed motor
[17:42:13] <fragalot_> except.. if you use a 2 speed motor, both gearbox ranges overlapped each-other perfectly
[17:42:46] <fragalot_> (and they had 25 units sitting there... needing a complete re-engineering of the gearboxes :P)
[17:44:09] <gloops> not much on ebay atm
[17:44:20] <gloops> its a bad time of the year for lathe buying id say
[17:44:43] <fragalot_> syyl_: that M2 thread is impressive... except ti looks like the crown of the thread is thicker at the end?
[17:44:54] <syyl_> it probably deflected
[17:47:10] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:47:42] <syyl_> looks like a generic taiwanese/chinese machine of that size
[17:48:10] <syyl_> the compound on these is the most stupid construction
[17:48:39] <fragalot_> at least you can access the bolts to change the angle without having to unscrew it all the way
[17:48:44] <syyl_> lol
[17:48:45] <gloops> the harrison is ok, i used one years ago, that is a copy
[17:48:57] <fragalot_> (this is the case on the big lathe at work)
[17:49:09] <syyl_> thats also the case with 7x12 minilathes
[17:49:10] <syyl_> :D
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[17:49:19] <fragalot_> I know it is due to size constraints on the tiny ones
[17:49:27] <fragalot_> but on that large behemoth there is really no excuse :D
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[17:51:43] <gloops> real harrison https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:52:13] <gloops> built to last...
[17:52:15] <fragalot_> looks like the gap part of the bed might be missing
[17:52:50] <gloops> isnt that the...gap?
[17:52:51] <fragalot_> the only real downside to older lathes that I've found is that the bore on them is so tiny
[17:53:09] <fragalot_> gloops: yeah, but you're supposed to have a piece to go in there for when you don't need the gap itself
[17:53:46] <gloops> thats stuck in a garage and doesnt look well loved
[17:54:06] <gloops> still you never know, be alright if you could view these machines first
[17:58:20] <fragalot_> yeah...
[17:58:33] <fragalot_> still - all you need to do is ask & set up a date
[18:01:19] <gloops> bridgeport still cheap https://www.ebay.co.uk
[18:01:42] <syyl_> thats only part of a bridgeport :D
[18:02:00] <gloops> saw one with archivist go for 300 - he wasnt amused when i wouldnt pick it up lol
[18:02:17] <syyl_> somebody nailed the bp head onto an horizontal mill
[18:02:38] <fragalot_> yea.. that is not a bridgeport
[18:03:23] <gloops> difficult to say with all the clutter
[18:03:41] <fragalot_> quite easy to spot, actually
[18:03:53] <fragalot_> bridgeports have that typical large round column part to the base to swivel on
[18:03:54] <fragalot_> this one does not
[18:04:00] <fragalot_> bridgeports typically don't have a horizontal spindle
[18:04:02] <fragalot_> this one does
[18:05:14] <fragalot_> the way that that bridgeport head is fixed to the mill is great though
[18:06:23] <fragalot_> 'buyer must arrange removal' <-- am I the only one that reads this as "it's in a really awkward spot"
[18:06:37] <syyl_> he could add
[18:06:40] <syyl_> "good luck."
[18:06:53] <fragalot_> only in verbal communication :D
[18:07:07] <syyl_> "hey i am here to pick up that mill"
[18:07:20] <gloops> i think andypugh did that - put vertical head on horizontal
[18:07:28] <syyl_> -"yeah, its down that narrow staircase. good luck"
[18:07:33] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[18:07:46] <gloops> well he got it in, its got to come out
[18:08:12] <syyl_> haha
[18:08:20] <syyl_> friend of mine digged a hole next to the house
[18:08:21] <fragalot_> syyl_: behind the 3 stripped car chassis, just over the lathe, and those scrap bins.
[18:08:25] <syyl_> broke trough the wall
[18:08:32] <syyl_> put in two deckel Cnc mills
[18:08:47] <syyl_> rebuilt the wall and filled up the hole
[18:08:47] <syyl_> :D
[18:09:00] <fragalot_> friend of mine has just removed his roof to put in a new Style mill.. and then built a little mini tower on top because it's too tall
[18:09:11] <syyl_> lo
[18:09:11] <syyl_> l
[18:09:17] <fragalot_> his workshop is really awkward
[18:09:23] <fragalot_> he's got TONS of absolutely beautiful machines
[18:09:37] <fragalot_> but they are all lined up, because the shop is only 5m wide, but 120m long
[18:09:50] <fragalot_> and there is only a garage port on one end of it
[18:09:52] <syyl_> haha
[18:09:57] <syyl_> i would prefer that layout
[18:10:10] <fragalot_> you would until you need to get the machine at the end out :D
[18:10:23] <syyl_> better do your planing properly ;)
[18:10:37] <fragalot_> it's worked for him for nearly 50 years, so.... :-)
[18:10:44] <fragalot_> hence probably why he's opted to remove the roof, lol
[18:11:58] <XXCoder> fragalot_: solved printer issue?
[18:12:06] <fragalot_> XXCoder: eventually, yes
[18:12:20] <XXCoder> nice :)
[18:12:21] <fragalot_> just had to try the same driver ~14 times before it 'found the printer'
[18:12:29] <XXCoder> bleh
[18:12:38] <XXCoder> drivers need glasses ;)
[18:12:50] <fragalot_> what I really like
[18:12:59] <fragalot_> is how the manufacturers' website first makes you find the exact model
[18:13:05] <fragalot_> which takes around 50 mouse clicks
[18:13:13] <fragalot_> and then gives you a generic auto-detect driver
[18:15:37] <XXCoder> so much fun
[18:16:14] <XXCoder> some support ui looks like its designed to test human ability and patienc3e
[18:17:44] <fragalot_> worst part was that at one point, the driver found the printer, showe it to me and said "I don't know this model."
[18:18:03] <fragalot_> well it said "can't detect this model"
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[20:51:53] <_unreal_> finally... just finished laying up the firs round of fiberglass
[20:52:11] <_unreal_> on half of my mold for my cnc machine RPI/LCD controller box
[20:52:40] <_unreal_> made a splash mold to make a mold so I canfinally make the part... right now I'm making the mold off of the splash mold
[20:57:26] <norias> anyone ever stick acclerometers on their cnc?
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[21:06:34] <Tom_L> norias for what purpose?
[21:06:44] <norias> monitor vibrations
[21:07:16] <Tom_L> not something i've heard of around here
[21:07:29] <Tom_L> err, not aware of anyone doing that
[21:07:55] <norias> right on
[21:09:38] <norias> reading some research on it right now
[21:09:41] <norias> it's interesting
[21:11:15] <norias> oh.....
[21:11:22] <norias> they aren't doing what i think they are
[21:11:36] <norias> they used accelerometers to measure flex in the frame
[21:11:51] <norias> then used that in a feedback loop in the positioning system
[21:12:13] <norias> oh, now, that's interesting
[21:13:03] <Tom_L> you'd have to know where and how to apply it
[21:13:23] <norias> right
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