#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-01-03
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[03:11:39] <selroc> log
[03:11:39] <russian_troll> selroc: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net
[03:11:39] <c-log> selroc: Nothing has been logged today, #linuxcnc index http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[03:18:37] <JesusAlos> Hi
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[04:20:09] <Deejay> moin
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[04:51:57] <Wolf__> morning
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[05:03:30] <gloops> right, blade guide to finish and fit/test
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[05:05:48] <gloops> according to my calculations, there is a 28.7% probably it will work
[05:05:58] <gloops> probability lol
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[05:52:51] <jthornton> morning
[05:53:19] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[05:53:36] <XXCoder> my solder kits fun finally arrived
[05:53:42] <XXCoder> but not flux pen aww
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[06:02:59] <Wolf__> morning
[06:03:16] <XXCoder> hey Wolf__ hows projects
[06:03:41] <Wolf__> waiting on parts for the cnc plasma
[06:03:58] <XXCoder> it seems traditional to wait for stuff lol
[06:04:16] <Wolf__> ordered mesa stuff =)
[06:04:23] <XXCoder> nice
[06:07:47] <Wolf__> now I just need to order some parts for the plasma box to make a machine interface cable, hack in a voltage divider for the arc volts, and possibly attempt to mod the machine torch to use newer consumables
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[06:53:30] <jthornton> XXCoder: you going to build the xmas tree now?
[06:53:54] <XXCoder> nah still no flux (though solder has em built in I would like to have flux pen to make soldering easier)
[06:54:04] <XXCoder> plan to start with simpler kits
[06:56:43] <jthornton> yea a flux pen makes the solder flow nice
[06:58:28] <XXCoder> i also need to figure how to fix my car external temperate sensor
[06:58:53] <XXCoder> its definitely connector, when I air blew it to dry, it worked for short time
[07:00:47] <XXCoder> not sure how to fix it though
[07:01:00] <XXCoder> I plan to remove sensor completely and bring it to my room and look whats going on
[07:01:05] <XXCoder> maybe its just dirt
[07:01:12] <jthornton> if it is a thermocouple then yea the connection needs to be dry or it won't work
[07:01:12] <XXCoder> it stops working when raint
[07:01:30] <Wolf__> dielectric grease the connector
[07:01:54] <XXCoder> would that short circuit?
[07:02:38] <Wolf__> dielectric grease is non conductive
[07:02:48] <jthornton> I know if I get the connector wet for my smoker thermocouple it faults the plc lol
[07:03:20] <XXCoder> something like https://www.amazon.com ?
[07:03:39] <Wolf__> without hitting the link, yeah lol
[07:03:50] <XXCoder> bit expensive
[07:04:04] <XXCoder> i gonna make sure connection works first it does feel a little loose
[07:04:09] <Wolf__> auto parts stores usually have little packets
[07:04:19] <XXCoder> yah tiny tubes $11
[07:05:44] <Wolf__> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com example
[07:06:17] <XXCoder> bah! gray text on white
[07:06:36] <XXCoder> barely readable. good thing I have amazing plugin to fix that
[07:07:23] <XXCoder> do i just fill inside with it or just coat everything?
[07:08:06] <Wolf__> just in the connector, idea is to keep out moisture that will cause shorts
[07:08:56] <XXCoder> yeah I meant inside ie pins the surrounding inside walls (not outside)
[07:10:24] <Wolf__> fill the pins pretty much
[07:12:42] <XXCoder> ok thanks
[07:13:23] <XXCoder> firefox plugin name is "dark mode" by bernard
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[07:27:27] <Wolf__> XXCoder, jthornton, this is what the mesa stuff is going on https://i.imgur.com
[07:27:47] <XXCoder> making nice progress thgere!
[07:27:56] <XXCoder> your setup could also do lasers
[07:28:06] <XXCoder> could just put it on side there
[07:28:21] <Wolf__> yup
[07:28:28] <XXCoder> issue is no covering lol
[07:28:39] <Wolf__> its not built for speed either
[07:29:36] <Wolf__> using 8mm x 8mm pitch 4 start screws
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[07:31:20] <Wolf__> laser would be better off with belt drive IMO
[07:35:11] <jthornton> looking good
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[07:36:25] <jthornton> my first test run https://www.youtube.com
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[07:36:33] <Wolf__> just wish the machine torch used the newer duramax consumables
[07:38:09] <jthornton> did you make the torch floating with a switch for touch off?
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[07:38:52] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[07:39:01] <Wolf__> no, thinking about doing a gnd touch off
[07:40:17] <Wolf__> or just manual touch off
[07:41:56] <jthornton> are you only going to be cutting HRPO material?
[07:42:07] <Wolf__> ?
[07:43:33] <jthornton> Hot Roll Pickled and Oiled ie clean sheets with no scale?
[07:44:06] <Wolf__> probably
[07:44:16] * Deejay thought "what kind of led is that... oi-led...?" ;)
[07:44:36] <jthornton> must have been a cat walking on the keyboard
[07:44:52] <jthornton> ground touch should work with clean no scale sheets
[07:45:24] <Wolf__> mostly going to be 1/2” and 3/4” plate and cutting holes in rectangular tube stock
[07:46:07] <jthornton> wow that is some heavy sheet stock
[07:46:38] <Wolf__> thats why I made the machine light, move it to the plate lol
[07:46:56] <jthornton> ok that makes sense then
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[07:48:40] <jthornton> I have a 90v linear actuator that I want to use for a gate opener... I wonder if it works ok on 24vdc???
[07:48:49] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[07:49:28] <jthornton> that looks heavy duty
[07:50:04] <Wolf__> thats 1/2” plate, tube is 3/16” wall
[07:50:15] <jthornton> are you modifying the truck or repairing it?
[07:50:40] <Wolf__> that was a mod, move used hook body to used truck
[07:52:28] <jthornton> I have the same level but mine is bit cleaner...
[07:52:30] <Wolf__> but the company we are subbing work from has about 10 new hook units sitting in our yard waiting for installs + a bunch of heavy 60k rated roll offs otw to be done and we are making the bumpers and plates in-house
[07:52:49] <jthornton> nice!
[07:53:00] <jthornton> what is a hook unit?
[07:53:14] <XXCoder> nice as you can use literally any size sheet, including oevrsize
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[07:54:08] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[07:55:01] <jthornton> so the hook unit can drop off and pick up the container?
[07:55:22] <Wolf__> yup, or anything mounted on a hook skid
[07:56:22] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[07:56:28] <Wolf__> same truck
[07:56:47] <jthornton> cool
[07:57:18] <Wolf__> my surface grinder and vidmar cabinet is in that box right now lol
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[07:57:59] <Wolf__> and if you need to help a annoying friend move, easy unload https://i.imgur.com
[08:00:01] <Wolf__> also have been doing new trash packer truck installs (garbage trucks), not to much exciting with those tho
[08:00:27] <jthornton> I had to google vidmar cabinet lol
[08:00:46] <Wolf__> lol
[08:01:00] <Wolf__> bad idea, I want to fill my shop with them now
[08:01:26] <jthornton> I could use a few myself with all the crap I have in boxes lol
[08:02:27] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com I think its 400 or 450lb rating for each drawer
[08:03:58] <jthornton> wow I've not used a radius grinder in a long long time... I have very little tools for my B&S 612
[08:04:32] <Wolf__> I got a good auction score during the summer
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[08:05:36] <jthornton> I used to sharpen nail point cutters on surface grinders but we had dressing fixtures for all the different angles
[08:05:55] <jthornton> geez that was a long damn time ago...
[08:06:16] <Wolf__> https://imgur.com this is most of the stuff, out the door at around $1500 iirc
[08:07:35] <jthornton> damn what a nice haul
[08:09:15] <Wolf__> the tall cabinet was half full of end mills
[08:10:54] <Wolf__> got all that machining stuff, and since then I haven’t had time to even look at it lol
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[08:14:10] <XXCoder> lol
[08:14:17] <Wolf__> at least I’ll get some manual mill time in this weekend making brackets and stuff for the cable chains that go on the plasma table
[08:21:50] <gloops> well, i can report some success with my bandsaw - new blade guides almost eliminate the blade bowing, down from sketchy cut with 5mm bow to probably .5-1mm bow
[08:22:07] <Wolf__> may have remake the Z torch holder now in cad, originally I wanted to use the gear rack on the hypertherm but ended up just printing clamp brackets, but now I’m thinking about doing them with 3 ball bearings so I can use the torch as a touch probe
[08:22:32] <gloops> this is probably going to work i think, i will fit a 3/4 blade when it arrives i reckon ive cracked it
[08:23:04] <Wolf__> nice gloops, band saw rebuild is on my things I need to do list
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[08:23:45] <gloops> the lower factory guide was doing nothing, surprising the instant improvement in cutting with a rigid guide
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[08:24:48] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com see pile of crap at lower right in pic lol mine is one of them odd tipped over ones =P
[08:25:43] <gloops> metal bandsaw Wolf?
[08:25:49] <Wolf__> yeah
[08:26:24] <Wolf__> old abused wilton
[08:26:28] <gloops> ahh right, mines only for wood, i darent post pics yet lol its in its primordial state
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[08:27:26] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com I converted a 7" x 12" bandsaw to a vertical and now use it all the time
[08:27:44] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[08:28:31] <jthornton> I put a bigger table on it recently after moving to the new shop
[08:29:19] <Wolf__> I’m more so longing for a iron worker in my shop as of lately
[08:29:22] <jthornton> Wolf__: I built this using my plasma table and box/pan brake http://gnipsel.com
[08:29:27] <gloops> that looks ok, reminds me i need to get some paint
[08:29:55] <jthornton> sunrise here time to let the poop factories out
[08:30:21] <gloops> i need some bigger logs to test on, may as well wait for new blade now im not worried about it working
[08:30:55] <Wolf__> damn that looks good jthornton
[08:32:31] <jthornton> thanks, I love having a large blast cabinet so much better than that pos tsc cabinet
[08:33:38] <jthornton> here is the finished photo http://gnipsel.com
[08:36:49] <Wolf__> I need a new garage before I start thinking about those sorta projects lol
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[10:39:50] <stjohn4444> Hi! can anyone recommend a modern mini-pc to use with a lcnc build? cheers!
[10:40:49] <stjohn4444> mesa card is on the end of a lan cable..
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[11:05:46] <TekniQue> Yeah I would like to ask the same, kind of
[11:06:11] <TekniQue> except I would like to ask what's the recommended hardware to use for stepper control in 2019
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[11:06:49] <TekniQue> I'm assuming bit banging the parallel port is no longer the thing, as I have not seen a PC with a parallel port in more than a decade
[11:07:27] <SpeedEvil> TekniQue: Some boards still have them.
[11:07:29] <TekniQue> my current LinuxCNC setup is an old machine with a parallel port, but if that dies which it eventually will, I'm wondering what to replace it with
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[11:13:21] <gloops> you can fit a card for parport on new PC
[11:13:51] <Roguish> TekniQue: what ever you do, don't get too cheap. do it right
[11:14:11] <TekniQue> yeah that's what I'm wondering
[11:14:16] <TekniQue> what's the right way to do it in 2019
[11:15:07] <Roguish> puter hardware is sooooo inexpensive now. put something together that will go for many years, and don't look back. no buyers remorse.
[11:16:58] * Loetmichel still has an I7-92 in his main (gaming) machine... and when i bought that it was brandnew... the gpu changed 3 times since then though
[11:16:59] <Loetmichel> .-)
[11:17:02] <Loetmichel> 920
[11:17:17] <TekniQue> of course a parport card is a nice and simple solution if modern computers can still run that with low jitter
[11:17:32] <TekniQue> that won't require any changes to my wiring harness
[11:17:47] <gloops> https://www.lindy.co.uk
[11:18:03] <TekniQue> a modern computer does not have a PCI slot
[11:18:10] <TekniQue> I have not seen a motherboard with a PCI slot in years
[11:18:21] <TekniQue> but surely a PCIe variant exists
[11:18:25] <SpeedEvil> TekniQue: Some don't even have ISA slots.
[11:18:27] <SpeedEvil> Madness.
[11:18:28] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: not entirely true
[11:18:48] <Loetmichel> there are (industrial) boards out there that still have PCI and even ISA
[11:18:50] <TekniQue> SpeedEvil: yeah and no Microchannel architecture either
[11:18:59] <Loetmichel> whats hard to get these days is PCI64 ;)
[11:19:00] <TekniQue> or vesa local bus
[11:19:22] <TekniQue> yeah I have a few PCI64 cards in a box in my attic
[11:19:31] <TekniQue> SCSI controllers as well as gigabit ethernet cards
[11:19:34] <SpeedEvil> Also, at least three years ago when I last looked, motherboards with parallel ports on headers were not rare
[11:19:56] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: you can still get them
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[11:20:18] <Loetmichel> as well as PciE-cards that have an internal ISA bus and work with linuxCNC
[11:20:30] <Loetmichel> pcie-lpt cards i mean
[11:20:50] * SpeedEvil wonders if USB3 offers a suitable low latency option.
[11:21:05] <SpeedEvil> (not plugging a USB1/2 device into a port)
[11:21:10] <Loetmichel> its just getting expensive because those are mostly industrial boards these days
[11:21:40] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: IIRC usb is defined with about 1 second round trip time before timeout
[11:21:44] <Loetmichel> even 3.1
[11:21:57] <SpeedEvil> At teh very highest levels, perhaps.
[11:21:57] <Loetmichel> so probably not
[11:22:07] <Loetmichel> not even in iso mode
[11:22:21] <SpeedEvil> 'ethernet' has no guarantee, in some modes.
[11:22:36] <SpeedEvil> (and yet can be nanoseconds in others)
[11:23:03] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: https://stackoverflow.com
[11:23:07] <SpeedEvil> (jitter)
[11:23:33] <Jymmm> 30uS
[11:24:23] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[11:25:14] <Jymmm> The main issue with USB2 is the device polling. Looks like USB2 uses peer-to-peer instead, so might be usable depening upon any caching
[11:26:04] <Jymmm> If you had more than 4 axis, I might question it
[11:28:35] <Jymmm> IMO (which can be full of shit), lcnc would be better suited to offload the "engine" to a FPGA and the controls/UI to any GUI device.
[11:28:40] <TekniQue> What's the easiest way to get a mill spindle for a DIY machine that can be used with a toolchanger?
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[11:29:45] <TekniQue> I'm thinking I want to have a tool changer on my next mini mill, but I'm not really sure how to go about it on the spindle side
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[11:32:23] <gregcnc> spindle needs a drawbar
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[11:34:33] <TekniQue> yes obviously
[11:34:47] <gloops> someone made one for his router on facebook there other day, tools are just lined up on a rack, spindle travels, drops tool and picks next one up, id do that but im sick of making stuff atm
[11:34:51] <TekniQue> and some way to actuate it on command, usually pressurised air
[11:35:15] <TekniQue> yes that's my idea, have a rack for the tools just outside of the table
[11:35:24] <TekniQue> or on the edge of the table
[11:35:39] <TekniQue> but I need a suitable spindle and the collet holders, don't want to make those
[11:37:22] <gregcnc> there are many examples on the web, are you after something different?
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[11:38:13] <TekniQue> no, I'm just after an off the shelf solution, spindle and the collet holders
[11:38:24] <TekniQue> a standard solution
[11:41:49] <gregcnc> TTS tooling is typical
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[11:45:28] <gloops> tool changer https://www.facebook.com
[11:48:19] <TekniQue> Sorry, this content isn't available at the moment
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[11:48:30] <TekniQue> must be friends-only or something
[11:48:45] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com
[11:49:41] <TekniQue> neat
[11:50:04] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be
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[12:04:07] <TekniQue> I bought one of those chinese USB pendants the other day, with a jog wheel and LCD display, haven't tried it in linuxcnc yet but there's supposedly a driver for it. I was disappointed to find no information anywhere about its programming, it presents itself to the computer as a HID device and I can read input reports which are easy to figure out, but it does not claim to have output report capability
[12:04:13] <TekniQue> so I'm at a loss as to how it really wants to control the LCD display
[12:04:45] <TekniQue> I saw the LinuxCNC driver uses an ugly hack which is to blacklist it as a HID device and hook it up to LibUSB instead as a raw device
[12:04:49] <TekniQue> which I guess works
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[12:05:23] <fragalot> miss0r: it's getting worse. Both farnell and RS-online no longer sell to private customers. >.>
[12:06:10] <TekniQue> fragalot: wtf?
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[12:08:19] <fragalot> TekniQue: they do both let you get all the way through the registration and check-out procedure though
[12:09:03] <fragalot> but farnell now offers parts via sinuss.be for private customers with a big mark-up and reduced offering
[12:09:20] <fragalot> RS-online just says "nope"
[12:09:27] <TekniQue> wow
[12:09:38] <TekniQue> I used to buy a lot from RS many years ago
[12:09:47] <TekniQue> privately
[12:09:57] <TekniQue> but nowadays everything I buy goes through my company
[12:10:47] <TekniQue> and Farnell never seems to have what I'm looking for so I don't do much business there nowadays
[12:11:39] <fragalot> I used to buy from farnell quite frequently
[12:11:44] <fragalot> and RS if farnell didn't have it
[12:12:25] <fragalot> digi-key thankfully remains as one of the last bastions to get parts from
[12:12:47] * fragalot has just requested both farnell & RS-online to remove him from their databases in accordance to GDPR guidelines
[12:12:50] <fragalot> let's see what happens :P
[12:12:50] <TekniQue> Yeah I order from Digi Key about 20 times per year on average
[12:13:17] <TekniQue> and Mouser frequently also
[12:13:24] <TekniQue> occasionally Future Electronics
[12:13:33] <gloops> rs online still seems to be selling to all comers here
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[12:13:47] <fragalot> gloops: until you ACTUALLY order something
[12:14:35] <gloops> i had stuff from them last year with no problem, not ordered anything recently
[12:15:29] <gloops> no sign of it up to paying page
[12:15:57] <fragalot> gloops: go to their terms & conditions
[12:15:58] <fragalot> point 1.5
[12:16:11] <fragalot> 1.5 RS is a business-to-business supplier. The RS website is intended for use by business customers and not by private individuals acting as consumers (“Consumers”).
[12:16:18] <fragalot> they changed it september 2018
[12:17:15] <TekniQue> interesting
[12:17:28] <gloops> https://uk.rs-online.com
[12:17:30] <gloops> ?
[12:17:36] <fragalot> gloops: yes.
[12:17:59] <gloops> meh dont bother with that just order, they never check anything
[12:18:43] <fragalot> I _DID_ order
[12:18:54] <fragalot> they cancelled it via emaill
[12:19:02] <fragalot> so did farnell
[12:19:47] <gloops> how did they know?
[12:20:03] <fragalot> because the VAT number field is blank
[12:20:33] <gloops> you can still be in business without being VAT registered - i dunno then
[12:20:54] <fragalot> in that case, you can no longer be in business using parts from RS-online :-)
[12:22:24] <TekniQue> weird
[12:23:31] <gloops> plenty of others anyway
[12:24:26] <fragalot> less & less, gloops
[12:29:55] <gloops> https://www.accu.co.uk
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[12:32:50] <fragalot> doesn't sell any of the items I was after, but that supplier is definitely going on my list :D
[12:33:20] <fragalot> RIP bank account
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[12:44:57] <gloops> i wonder if brexit has anything to do with it
[12:45:34] <gloops> as - no customs union
[12:46:59] <fragalot> doubt it
[12:47:03] <fragalot> I think it's GDPR
[12:47:15] <fragalot> also - even accu doesn't seem to sell BSPT taps :P
[12:48:21] <gloops> https://www.tracytools.com
[12:48:35] <gloops> how much were they at RS in comparison?
[12:48:58] <fragalot> wasn't looking for that on RS
[12:49:07] <fragalot> I needed a nucleo-F303K8
[12:50:20] <gloops> plenty of those around
[12:50:32] <gloops> https://www.rapidonline.com
[12:50:50] <fragalot> I already got them from digikey
[12:51:11] <fragalot> also - your link doesn't sell for personal purposes (again!)
[12:51:25] <gloops> it says use industry tab for personal use
[12:52:10] <fragalot> I did not see that was a link
[12:56:24] <gloops> you could also borrow a students card lol, easier than a VAT number
[13:07:29] <Jymmm> FWIW... "Flash OS images to SD cards & USB drives, safely and easily, cross platform" https://www.balena.io
[13:08:59] <fragalot> neat
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[13:30:12] <jthornton> I use etcher to flash my RPi SD cards
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[15:53:01] <mozmck> Every time I hear about Etcher I go look at it, then when I see that it is 100 MB download of javascript, HTML, and etc I choke and just use the right-click menu in Mint to burn ISOs to thumbdrives. In windows I found Rufus which is a 1 MB download and works fine.
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[16:09:30] <JT-Shop2> right click and select what?
[16:10:53] <mozmck> Right-click on an ISO file and select "Make Bootable USB stick" I haven't tried that for an SD card though, so it might not work for those.
[16:11:59] <JT-Shop2> I only need the bootable sd card for the RPi
[16:12:28] <JT-Shop2> that option must be a bit newer than this pc
[16:12:44] <mozmck> I'm running mint 17.3 on this machine.
[16:13:38] <JT-Shop2> hmm this is linux mint 17.3
[16:14:22] <JT-Shop2> I wonder if you need something plugged in to get that
[16:14:26] <mozmck> huh - see if you have mintstick installed?
[16:15:46] <JT-Shop2> yep it is installed
[16:16:02] <mozmck> usb-creator-gtk says it will do SD cards as well - I haven't tried it.
[16:17:20] <XXCoder> oh why why why did I wake up like dead?
[16:17:39] <XXCoder> I dont do alchol, I didnt part, I didnt even sleep expecially late
[16:17:45] <XXCoder> party
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[16:18:58] <rmu> flu?
[16:19:18] <mozmck> too much sugar?
[16:19:58] <mozmck> JT-Shop2: are you using the Nemo file manager?
[16:20:17] <XXCoder> rmu nah i feel mostly fine, just some ligering effects
[16:20:30] <XXCoder> moz dunno maybe thats it
[16:20:33] <JT-Shop2> no, caja
[16:20:52] <JT-Shop2> I assume nemo is better :)
[16:21:26] <XXCoder> caja here also. like its simple ui
[16:21:35] <JT-Shop2> Nemo is the official file manager for the Cinnamon desktop
[16:21:43] <JT-Shop2> I use the Mate desktop...
[16:21:53] <XXCoder> xfce also uses caja
[16:22:20] * JT-Shop2 has felt like crap all day
[16:24:56] <Deejay> gn8
[16:25:05] <mozmck> Ah, that's probably why - nemo has it in the right-click menu for .iso files. You can use mintstick from cmdline though
[16:25:45] <mozmck> xfce uses Thunar by default
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[16:26:31] <XXCoder> hmm youre right I must have changed it in some point in past
[16:26:49] <XXCoder> ran thundar, yeah no wonder
[16:27:23] <mozmck> yeah, I ran xfce on this machine for a good while, but I used nemo even then for some of the features I wanted.
[16:27:59] <renesis> xfce ftmfw
[16:28:18] <XXCoder> i always love xfce, but thunar just isnt very good
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[16:28:28] <XXCoder> I hate that I cant edit path directly
[16:28:34] <XXCoder> and ui overall just suck
[16:30:10] <mozmck> I use the nemo-terminal extension and nemo-rabbitvcs a lot.
[16:31:36] <JT-Shop2> is there any editor that can show the space and tab characters like gedit did?
[16:32:02] <mozmck> Mousepad
[16:32:28] <JT-Shop2> I'll have to check that out
[16:33:20] <mozmck> Kate - it is a pretty nice programming editor even.
[16:34:21] <XXCoder> hmm a second
[16:35:24] * JT-Shop2 tries to clean his way out of the shop so the truck can come out
[16:35:30] <XXCoder> nope xed dont show tab and line endings
[16:36:28] <XXCoder> i know theres linux version and similiar to notepad++ but dunno name
[16:37:29] <mozmck> I forget what xed comes with, seems like it is on my mint 18 cinnamon laptop?
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[16:40:00] <XXCoder> i use xfce mint
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[17:06:52] <MarcelineVQ> i use xfce :>
[17:07:11] <XXCoder> ICE is apparently a thing
[17:07:16] <MarcelineVQ> Mostly because all of my time is spent in programs anyway so I don't care too much what the system ui looks/acts like
[17:07:26] <MarcelineVQ> so xfce is the simplest complete package that isn't 70% bloatware
[17:07:30] <XXCoder> people with apparently tiny penis deliberately block electric charging stations with trucks
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[17:07:55] <XXCoder> off to work laters
[17:08:27] <MarcelineVQ> used to use LXDE but it requires slightly more customization than xfce
[17:08:31] <MarcelineVQ> bai
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[17:42:50] <Roguish> JT-Shop2: https://notepadplusplus.net
[17:44:01] <jthornton> Roguish: I use notepad++ on windoze but I'm not very fond of the interface
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[18:11:02] <Tom_itx> i like it
[18:11:11] <Tom_itx> i use that and programmer's notepad
[18:12:05] <Tom_itx> didn't know it was available for linux
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[18:14:16] <jthornton> everytime I run notepad++ it wants to update but fails lol... way too much stuff on it for me
[18:14:26] <Tom_itx> huh
[18:14:35] <Tom_itx> i haven't had any problems with it
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[18:15:12] <jthornton> with update?
[18:15:17] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:15:39] <Tom_itx> i got it with some software download and just got used to it and now i like i
[18:16:34] <Tom_itx> running 6.1.5 on this pc
[18:18:45] <Tom_itx> https://notepad-plus-plus.org
[18:18:50] <Tom_itx> large language support
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[18:19:42] <jthornton> I only speak one language redneck
[18:19:49] <Tom_itx> :D
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[18:20:57] <Tom_itx> i know gedit doesn't act the same across linux versions
[18:21:17] <Tom_itx> but i use it
[18:22:21] <Tom_itx> https://notepadqq.com
[18:22:53] <Tom_itx> may try that
[18:23:23] <jthornton> the main thing I like about gedit is the show spaces and tabs but it is getting progressively like a tablet and less friendly
[18:23:46] <Tom_itx> one thing i see i like is the block edit
[18:23:59] <Tom_itx> where you can hilite a block area and maniuplate it
[18:24:27] <Tom_itx> bottom of that page i linked
[18:24:36] <jthornton> in gedit or notepad++?
[18:24:43] <Tom_itx> notepadqq
[18:24:52] <Tom_itx> for linux
[18:25:39] <jthornton> hmm I'm liking what I see with that
[18:25:55] <Tom_itx> i had an editor that did that but i forgot which one it was
[18:26:07] <Tom_itx> i may give it a try
[18:27:40] <jthornton> hmm no package for it from apt let me know how it gets installed... out of data already until morning
[18:27:51] <Tom_itx> ok
[18:28:08] <Tom_itx> For Ubuntu and most other distributions
[18:28:08] <Tom_itx> Just run the following command in a terminal window:
[18:28:08] <Tom_itx> sudo snap install --classic notepadqq
[18:28:08] <Tom_itx> (if your distro doesnt have a snap command, you have to install it: follow the instructions here)
[18:30:25] <Tom_itx> https://docs.snapcraft.io
[18:30:34] <Tom_itx> tells about snap and how to install it
[18:30:38] <Tom_itx> you can look later
[18:31:07] <Tom_itx> what are you gonna install it on?
[18:32:47] <Tom_itx> Snap is currently unavailable on versions of Debian prior to 9
[18:36:55] <Tom_itx> from a root term or sudo,
[18:36:59] <Tom_itx> apt update
[18:37:02] <Tom_itx> apt install snapd
[18:37:19] <jthornton> mostly I use Linux Mint 18.3 but I might upgrade to 19 now that Kurt has solved the LinuxCNC issue
[18:37:31] <Tom_itx> snap install -classic notepadqq
[18:37:45] <Tom_itx> that's for debian
[18:38:06] <Tom_itx> Snap is available for Linux Mint 18.2 (Sonya), Linux Mint 18.3 (Sylvia), and the latest release, Linux Mint 19 (Tara).
[18:38:27] <Tom_itx> same process for mint
[18:39:20] <jthornton> yea I'll install it in the morning
[18:39:43] <Tom_itx> the site explains why they use snap
[18:39:59] <jthornton> which site?
[18:40:47] <Tom_itx> https://notepadqq.com
[18:41:26] <Tom_itx> says it's installed
[18:41:33] <Tom_itx> not sure how to launch it
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[18:44:00] <Tom_itx> https://github.com
[18:44:03] <Tom_itx> or build it yourself
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[18:45:41] <jthornton> seems simple enough to build it
[18:46:09] <Tom_itx> i think they use snap to be platform independent
[18:47:16] <jthornton> I wonder why they need libqt5websockets5-dev is it phoning home lol
[18:47:19] <Tom_itx> how do i launch it now?
[18:47:25] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:47:27] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[18:47:36] <jthornton> dunno I've not installed it yet
[18:47:37] <Tom_itx> maybe for updates
[18:48:32] <jthornton> hmm it's js
[18:50:11] <Tom_itx> https://notepadqq.com
[18:50:31] <Tom_itx> the 'why use snap' page
[18:51:11] <jthornton> interesting
[18:53:40] <Tom_itx> i think i'm gonna try it without snap
[18:54:14] <Tom_itx> Notepadqq installed as a snap package will not open a file beginning with a dot (i.e. .bashrc). However getting rid of the snap package and going the ppa route, everything works fine.
[18:54:14] <Tom_itx> Suggest you stop recommending snap packages until they are more mature.
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[18:54:18] <Tom_itx> one user's comments
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[18:57:53] <jthornton> time for dinner here
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[19:43:58] <Vitran> I am inches from success. I got the spindle turning! But not controlled.
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[19:50:04] <MacGalempsy> good evening
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[20:07:41] <Vitran> evening
[20:08:19] <Vitran> I am banging head against controlling a spindle. I can controll it without PID atm, but not with.
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[20:08:53] <Vitran> What are other peoples up to?
[20:10:25] <ziper> thinkin bout dem auctions
[20:11:27] <Vitran> oh dears
[20:11:35] <Vitran> Where is the auction?
[20:11:57] <Vitran> (I am not going to any auction.)
[20:15:07] <ziper> what is this thing? https://www.bidspotter.com
[20:17:44] <Vitran> Is it an old label maker?
[20:19:08] <ziper> stamped plates?
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[20:21:32] <Vitran> maybe. that would make sense. Soabar is in Philli and they have info about them making label makers
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[21:14:31] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you might wanna look at atom as well https://atom.io
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