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[03:10:27] <Deejay> moin
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[05:34:11] <TurBoss> morning
[05:34:33] <XXCoder> hy TurBoss
[05:34:46] <TurBoss> hello!
[05:35:01] <TurBoss> I'm trying to figure how to solve a noise issue
[05:35:25] <TurBoss> If I turn on a lamp the motors moves some steps
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[05:58:13] <jthornton> morning
[05:58:21] <XXCoder> yo
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[06:23:44] <gloops> yellow vests out in france again
[06:24:00] <gloops> must be something to make in wood that revolutionaries would buy
[06:25:28] <syyl> maybe kindling?
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[06:27:45] <gloops> that i can do
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[06:39:27] <gloops> my new years resolution is - do not start making any more machines, im back on the cnc router, when ive tidied up
[06:41:13] <XXCoder> But if you don't have Integer.Pos_Inf machines you need more?
[06:41:18] <XXCoder> ;)
[06:42:13] <XXCoder> anyway i have been looking at slicer stuff
[06:42:21] <XXCoder> luban seems best but fairly expensive
[06:42:28] <gloops> slicer ?
[06:42:35] <gloops> for 3d printing?
[06:42:39] <XXCoder> requires server connection so probably dead if company goes under
[06:42:44] <XXCoder> no different kind of slicer
[06:42:56] <XXCoder> it makes 3d stuff out of 2d plane cut stuff
[06:43:32] <gloops> i fathomed out model slicing in sketchup and fusion - tbh i think sketchup is more useable
[06:43:39] <gloops> i made some shelves from it anyway
[06:44:12] <gloops> and thinking now, wow it was 6 months since i did that ive forgot all those apps
[06:44:56] <XXCoder> cool :)
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[06:48:32] <Deejay> re
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[07:00:41] <jthornton> geez Brasero is not installed on linux mint wtf do they expect you to burn a dvd with
[07:01:32] <XXCoder> maybe theres too many software so they left dvd burner out ofnpackag
[07:01:36] <XXCoder> of package
[07:01:55] <XXCoder> or maybe too few use em nowdays?
[07:02:12] <XXCoder> besides wii u I havent touched a disc for qhile now
[07:02:38] <XXCoder> in fact I gonna need to buy dvd drive soon as I got myst cds but my oc dont have a cd drive lol
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[07:22:23] <jthornton> well crap my dvd drive is not working
[07:22:39] <XXCoder> how longs it been since last usage?
[07:23:00] <XXCoder> some drives just die or lens gets issues if been long enough
[07:23:17] <jthornton> I'm not sure I've ever used it with this pc
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[07:44:50] * jthornton gives up trying to make a hello.py with a main class that gets installed with pip install -e .
[07:44:56] <jthornton> on to chickens
[07:45:15] <Tom_itx> morning
[07:46:02] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[07:46:25] <XXCoder> jthornton: saw something about subbing egg with fake rock egg in book made me wonder
[07:46:35] <XXCoder> when do you have to do this or dont have to?
[07:47:25] <jthornton> I'm just trying to get a basic framework working that uses pip install -e .
[07:48:22] <jthornton> https://github.com
[07:48:52] <jthornton> I can't sort out the correct syntax in the setup.py or the __init__.py not sure which one is messed up
[07:50:55] <XXCoder> good question
[07:51:04] <Tom_itx> i thought microsoft bought github
[07:51:09] <XXCoder> they did
[07:51:13] <Tom_itx> i'm surprised it still works
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[07:52:22] <XXCoder> they said they will keep it working
[07:52:37] <XXCoder> jt dunno dont know enough python
[07:53:19] <Tom_itx> Intellectual Property Notice Short version: We own the service and all of our content. In order for you to use our content, we give you certain rights to it, but you may only use our content in the way we have allowed.
[07:54:34] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: which company ?
[07:55:02] <Loetmichel> ah, github?
[07:55:04] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[07:55:06] <Tom_itx> yes
[07:55:15] <Tom_itx> https://help.github.com
[07:55:15] <Loetmichel> isnt the content user-uploaded?
[07:55:29] <Loetmichel> how can it be owned by github?
[07:55:34] <Tom_itx> yes and ms thanks you for your donations
[07:55:53] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[07:56:21] <Loetmichel> so they want you to belive that by uploading any code there you basically forfeit any rights on said code?
[07:56:36] <Tom_itx> that's what i gather from it
[07:56:49] <Loetmichel> wouldnt have thought them to be THAT cheesy
[07:57:28] <XXCoder> think that pre-dates MS
[07:59:13] <Tom_itx> Services Usage Limits You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or exploit any portion of the Service, use of the Service, or access to the Service without GitHub's express written permission.
[07:59:29] <Tom_itx> so once you upload it, you need written permission to use it
[08:00:27] <XXCoder> no thats site services only
[08:00:38] <XXCoder> not contents
[08:01:20] <Loetmichel> That wouldnt fly in any german court. And i believe the us also has laws that make that TOS void as a whole
[08:01:36] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: THAT would make more sense
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[08:02:34] <XXCoder> issue is "all our service and our content" is bit amgious was it exactly worded that way on site somewhere?
[08:03:06] <XXCoder> amgious because "our content" could mean all files including user files, or could be just website files and such
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[11:26:28] <zeeshan> i have 8 of these motors: https://www.ebay.com
[11:26:36] <zeeshan> i wonder how much i should sell them as a lot for
[11:28:36] <Rab> $20 seems reasonable. What's your PayPal?
[11:28:40] <zeeshan> haha
[11:29:31] <jthornton> well a linux version terminal finally does something right it shows the password with **** so newbees aren't confused by nothing showing up
[11:30:18] <Rab> But now I can see your password is 4 characters.
[11:30:46] <gregcnc> none of those have sold recently
[11:31:07] <jthornton> that was your password
[11:31:24] * Rab = 0wned
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[11:32:33] <zeeshan> looks like theyre 173 oz-in steppers
[11:32:42] <zeeshan> i dont think ill ever use them for anything
[11:32:49] <zeeshan> prolly good for a diy 3d printer
[11:32:52] <Rab> zeeshan, new or used?
[11:33:00] <zeeshan> practically new :P
[11:33:07] <zeeshan> so used
[11:33:24] <Rab> "New (Other)"
[11:33:31] <zeeshan> https://photos.google.com
[11:33:47] <zeeshan> https://photos.google.com
[11:33:48] <zeeshan> :D
[11:39:55] <gloops> 2 amp is a bit more torque i think
[11:40:26] <gloops> the lin 1.3amp is 173 oz
[11:41:55] <zeeshan> i'll throw em on ebay and see what happens
[11:42:39] <gloops> i dunno used, i suppose people are gonna think - well i can get a 200oz new motor for £25
[11:43:14] <gregcnc> you're competing with the cheapest stuff coming from china
[11:43:57] <gloops> https://www.ebay.com
[11:44:12] <gloops> $23
[11:44:18] <zeeshan> im gonna put up 8 of them for 100 usd
[11:44:26] <zeeshan> im sure someone will bid :P
[11:44:34] <gloops> if you have time - try high to start
[11:44:43] <Rab> zeeshan, you might have better luck with two lots of 4.
[11:44:43] <zeeshan> cleaning out the basement :)
[11:44:56] <gloops> put - not chinese crap these are quality steppers
[11:45:05] <gloops> made by US craftsmen
[11:45:09] <zeeshan> haha
[11:45:23] <zeeshan> made in USA with cheap chinese parts? :D
[11:45:36] <gloops> yeah nobody needs 8 steppers, most only want 3 or 4
[11:45:36] <Rab> That's about what I got from their page.
[11:46:19] <Rab> But Lin looks reasonably legit, even if they're just doing QC on chinese warez...who isn't, these days?
[11:46:28] <gloops> id have them but my new year resolution is not to start any more machines
[11:46:29] <gregcnc> that means a boduy on US soils handled the crate they came in
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[11:49:36] <gloops> its all wrong really, the cheaper chinese product is probably a copy of the Lin
[11:50:01] <gloops> but everybody still buys them, its all about the $
[11:50:36] <gregcnc> you know your chinese produced product is decent when there a chinese knockoffs of chinese knockoffs
[11:52:05] <gloops> we demand health and safety, decent wages, reasonable hours, we wouldnt see our kids living in a factory - but when we see the prices we click on stuff made that way
[11:52:36] <gregcnc> some do
[11:53:05] <gloops> id try that facebook page - DIY cnc machines, lot of americans there
[11:53:17] <zeeshan> i threw it on ebay
[11:53:19] <zeeshan> lets see what happens
[11:54:11] <gregcnc> ebay needs comments for listings, that would be fun
[11:56:10] <fragalot> lol
[11:56:16] <fragalot> live chat
[11:56:24] <gregcnc> no just comments
[11:58:49] <gloops> with gifs button
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[12:11:43] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[12:13:27] <zeeshan> do it!
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[12:16:08] <gloops> no haha
[12:16:24] <gloops> thought it was an interesting curio though
[12:16:39] <zeeshan> everyone needs a coil winding machine
[12:17:04] <gloops> few BSP taps and dies here fragalot https://www.ebay.co.uk
[12:18:04] <gloops> unfortunately in non-matching sizes
[12:18:20] <fragalot> they're hex dies anyway, i'm more interested in round ones
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[12:33:31] <zeeshan> damn bsp
[12:33:38] <zeeshan> we're building a machine for australia
[12:33:44] <zeeshan> all the pipe connections are bspp or bspt
[12:33:45] <zeeshan> =/
[12:35:16] <fragalot> I'd say "sucks to be you" but that's a very common thread here
[12:35:28] <fragalot> what I don't understand is why it's so hard to find tap & die sets for it
[12:35:34] <fragalot> (for a reasonable price)
[12:38:48] <gloops> its tradesman gear, gas fitters are on decent money
[12:39:13] <fragalot> yea but NPT would be considered 'specialty' tools, yet those are common as mud
[12:39:21] <fragalot> or BSW
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[12:57:11] <elmo40> what is BSW?
[12:57:19] <elmo40> british standard?
[12:57:19] <fragalot> withworth thread
[12:57:22] <fragalot> yes
[12:57:36] <Tom_itx> they still use wintworth?
[12:57:38] <elmo40> BSP and BST is how i know it
[12:57:42] <fragalot> Tom_itx: they don't
[12:57:48] <fragalot> elmo40: BSP is something else
[12:57:57] <Tom_itx> i didn't think so
[12:57:58] <fragalot> Tom_itx: that's the crappy part, but you can still find oodles of taps for it
[12:58:03] <zeeshan> bspp = parallel thread
[12:58:09] <zeeshan> bspt = tapered thread
[12:58:22] <zeeshan> bspp is a lot more common on say... pneumatic cylinders
[12:58:23] <fragalot> zeeshan: PIPE thread. not the same as BSW.
[12:58:27] <Tom_itx> what's zeeshan up to?
[12:58:33] <zeeshan> and valve banks
[12:58:39] <zeeshan> bspt is used a lot on pipes
[12:58:52] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: just hanging out-- about to go to the range with my friend :)
[12:59:06] <Tom_itx> what sort of range?
[12:59:08] <zeeshan> gun
[12:59:10] <Tom_itx> shooting
[12:59:22] <zeeshan> fragalot: i don't focus on bsw cause its ancient :P
[12:59:26] <gloops> france is looking a bit like a war zone atm
[12:59:32] <elmo40> yeah, BSPT is used a lot on imported compressors
[12:59:52] <elmo40> BSPP is used a lot on european hydaulics
[13:00:21] <Tom_itx> is bspp like a double lead thread?
[13:00:25] <elmo40> no
[13:00:26] <zeeshan> bo
[13:00:30] <zeeshan> its just a straight thread
[13:00:33] <elmo40> just straight thread
[13:00:36] <zeeshan> same as what youd use on a bolt for example
[13:00:38] <Tom_itx> ahh i see
[13:00:49] <zeeshan> uses an oring to seal the threrad
[13:00:49] <elmo40> uses an oring or sealing ring
[13:00:52] <Tom_itx> but for hydraulics etc
[13:00:55] <zeeshan> elmo40: parrot!
[13:00:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[13:01:06] * elmo40 wants my cracker!
[13:01:11] <zeeshan> https://cdn3.volusion.com
[13:01:13] <zeeshan> that kind of stuff
[13:01:32] <Tom_itx> what about gas nipple threads with an angular seal?
[13:02:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan both sides?
[13:02:28] <Tom_itx> looks like it
[13:03:14] <elmo40> left side is JIC
[13:03:21] <elmo40> right side is o-ring boss. not BSPP
[13:03:27] <zeeshan> yes
[13:03:31] <zeeshan> i was just giving an example
[13:03:33] <zeeshan> lazy :)
[13:03:40] <fragalot> a bad example :D
[13:03:47] <zeeshan> fine!
[13:03:50] <elmo40> usually Banjo fittings are BSPP.
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[13:04:05] <zeeshan> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
[13:04:06] <zeeshan> there we go
[13:04:40] <gloops> basically, youve got a tin full of same size fittings - but no way can you make anything screw together to make a connection lol
[13:05:10] <zeeshan> its so ghetto but you can use a bspt fitting in a bspp thread
[13:05:15] <zeeshan> :)
[13:05:18] <elmo40> zeeshan, that is more like it ;-)
[13:05:31] <fragalot> zeeshan: or a BSPP in a BSPT if you try hard enough
[13:05:41] <elmo40> with enough teflon...
[13:05:57] <zeeshan> i've even seen someone jam in a 5/16-18 bolt
[13:06:01] <zeeshan> in a m8x1.25 thread
[13:06:02] <zeeshan> :)
[13:06:15] <fragalot> zeeshan: long live impact drivers
[13:06:17] <Tom_itx> wonder who that was :)
[13:07:17] <elmo40> 1/4 bolt in an M6 thread. Seen that, too.
[13:07:38] <elmo40> use whatever is lying around to 'get the machine going' is such a crappy way to do maintenance.
[13:07:52] <gloops> i think he installed my cooker
[13:07:54] <elmo40> if you buy a metric machine, buy metric components for it!
[13:07:58] <elmo40> LoL
[13:08:08] <zeeshan> elmo40: do you work at a plant?
[13:08:20] <zeeshan> i only see this stuff when going to supervise our eqiipment install
[13:08:22] <elmo40> I am a mobile repair guy.
[13:08:26] <zeeshan> and then discover these interesting things
[13:08:37] <Loetmichel> elmo40: 1/4 in an m6 thread sounds like "waaaay to much muscle applied"
[13:08:45] <elmo40> i am usually the guy they call after all the band-aids have failed.
[13:08:47] <zeeshan> elmo40: knowledgeable, i can tell :)
[13:09:04] <Loetmichel> or did you mean "after retreading the m6 hole"?
[13:09:12] <zeeshan> rofl
[13:09:14] <gloops> service engineer - probably the best job going
[13:09:27] <elmo40> Loetmichel, if you call threading with a bolt rethreading...
[13:09:35] <zeeshan> its called cold forming threads
[13:09:36] <zeeshan> :D
[13:09:39] <elmo40> ;-)
[13:09:41] <Loetmichel> then its way to much muscle
[13:09:59] <Tom_itx> one of the 2 sides is bound to be softer making an excellent repair
[13:10:25] <fragalot> and a very solid connection
[13:10:42] <Tom_itx> friction welding?
[13:10:45] <elmo40> it was into one of those formed sheetmetal holes. nothing too serious. i drilled it out and installed an M6 rivet nut to bring it back to 'factory spec'.
[13:10:54] <Loetmichel> M6 is 6mm outer diameter and 1/4" is 6.35mm... not to mention the total different TPI... if someone gets that 1/4" in the m6 thread they either have spend the night in a nuclear power plant and went green or the thread was in cheese not in steel
[13:11:11] <elmo40> https://5.imimg.com
[13:11:27] <Loetmichel> ah, sheet metal. OK. i thught full metal
[13:11:44] <Loetmichel> elmo40: i use tons of those
[13:11:48] <Loetmichel> but in M4 ;)
[13:11:49] <elmo40> they are great!
[13:11:56] <fragalot> we use the hex variants a LOT in stainless
[13:11:57] <elmo40> i love them
[13:12:36] <Loetmichel> fragalot: arent the hex variant rivet nuts are installed from the back side?
[13:12:40] <elmo40> prevented a lot of machines from getting scrapped because their in-house maintenance guy never heard of them...
[13:12:41] <fragalot> Loetmichel: no
[13:12:53] <Loetmichel> as opposed to those "front mount" "blind" rivets?
[13:12:59] <fragalot> Loetmichel: they install like you would expect, only they are flush and resist spinning more
[13:13:18] <Loetmichel> then i dont know of which type you speak
[13:13:33] <Loetmichel> i only have seen front mounted threaded rivets in round
[13:13:44] <elmo40> but you need to punch a hex in order to install them
[13:13:47] <Loetmichel> and the ones that you press in from the back in hexagonal
[13:13:55] <elmo40> http://rivetsinstock.com
[13:14:09] <Loetmichel> elmo40: NICE
[13:14:42] <elmo40> or this style? this one is flush
[13:14:43] <elmo40> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
[13:14:44] <Loetmichel> should tell the boss to use these in our next enclosure
[13:14:48] <fragalot> elmo40: yeah - i'm talking about building new stuff where you just get the hex hole lasered
[13:15:06] <elmo40> i gotta build me a laser table.
[13:15:29] <Loetmichel> fragalot: you can do hexagons with a cnc milling machine...
[13:15:48] <Loetmichel> BTDT: https://www.youtube.com
[13:15:49] <fragalot> Loetmichel: sure. laser is faster though
[13:15:57] <fragalot> in 2mm stainless
[13:16:04] <Loetmichel> although those are for air vents, not for rivets ;)
[13:17:53] <Loetmichel> and its 1.5mm aluminium
[13:19:57] <Loetmichel> we DO have problems with some m4 rivets (same type elmo40 showed) rotating in their holes... and my underlings tend to rip off quite a few of those "draw pins" in the (hand) rivet press
[13:20:03] <Loetmichel> which are NOT cheap
[13:20:29] <Loetmichel> everytime they rip off one i have to redraw half of the rivets they do thereafter for a while
[13:20:35] <Loetmichel> because they spin in the hole
[13:21:10] <fragalot> that's why we use hex
[13:21:31] <fragalot> and we have the same issue with the draw pins on our pneumatic tools
[13:21:42] <fragalot> just because of the sheer number of rivets & the material :P
[13:22:13] <Loetmichel> fragalot: they dont spind if properly tightened
[13:22:50] <fragalot> Loetmichel: in alu.. sure. in stainless: they always spin, especially the flush mount variants
[13:22:52] <Loetmichel> they DO spin if someone is frightened to destroy another pull pin and doesent pull them all the way in.
[13:23:28] <Loetmichel> (or doesent have enough muscle to do it)
[13:23:42] <Loetmichel> ... i managed to break one of the rivet tool handles...
[13:24:16] <fragalot> same. first time I used one 15yrs ago working on my trabant
[13:24:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- one of these... WITHOUT the use of the pipes.
[13:24:32] <fragalot> didn't know you had to pull them tight, but not pop-rivet tight :P
[13:25:34] <Loetmichel> in fact the pipes are on the one because one of the handles is missing on that tool
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[13:27:04] <Loetmichel> <- tends to have a bit much force sometimes... and since yesterday a blue index finger nail. MAN was that stupid to rivet in that screw retainer with a hammer while my finger was right next to it ;)
[13:30:22] <elmo40> Loetmichel, if you dont need them to be flush, and you can punch/laser a hex, then you should be using these:
[13:30:23] <elmo40> https://www.jhpfasteners.com
[13:30:50] <Loetmichel> elmo40: yeah, look nice
[13:31:08] <elmo40> time to make production changes!
[13:31:14] <elmo40> these do cost more, though...
[13:31:15] <Loetmichel> we use them on the back of 24" thin clients with monitor for the vesa mount
[13:31:25] <Loetmichel> in 1mm sheet steel
[13:31:41] <Loetmichel> shouldnt be a problem to make hexagonal holes
[13:32:00] <Loetmichel> also in our standard PC enclosures (3mm thick sheet alu)
[13:32:05] <Loetmichel> to close the lid
[13:32:41] <elmo40> the higher price is the reason automotive doesn't do it. they'd lose $8/car !
[13:32:42] <elmo40> LoL
[13:32:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- bunch of thin clients...
[13:33:08] <elmo40> i've had many of these rivet nuts spin in older cars. very frustrating.
[13:33:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- empty PC enclosure where you can see the rivets
[13:35:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- closeup of the thin client... 142 M3*6 stainless screws
[13:35:18] <elmo40> other than the usual asian sites... anyone able to locate for me a 12V1-26 tap?
[13:35:20] <Loetmichel> its a PITA to repair them when brolen ;)
[13:35:30] <Loetmichel> -l+k
[13:35:46] <Loetmichel> you get wrist pain just opening one by hand
[13:35:47] <elmo40> Loetmichel, that is a LOT of screws!!
[13:35:56] <elmo40> why so many?
[13:36:02] <elmo40> it doesn't hold water...
[13:36:06] <fragalot> elmo40: 'the hell is a 12V1 thread
[13:36:21] <Loetmichel> its cheaper to use screws every 30mm than to put RF gasket in between the screws
[13:36:26] <elmo40> ISO 4570 thread for valve stems.
[13:36:43] <elmo40> you need to contain the RF noise?
[13:36:49] <Loetmichel> those clients are "tempest proof"
[13:36:51] <Loetmichel> yes
[13:36:53] <elmo40> true
[13:37:35] <elmo40> fragalot, it is oh so close to M12x1.0
[13:37:41] <elmo40> but not quite... LoL
[13:37:57] <fragalot> lol
[13:38:07] <elmo40> the 12V1 nut will loosely thread onto the M12x1.0 but not the other way around.
[13:38:16] <elmo40> and it will pull out, if applied a little pressure
[13:38:20] <fragalot> amazon seems to sell 'm
[13:38:33] <elmo40> like i said. other than the usual suspects...
[13:38:44] <elmo40> they are $80 or more from there!
[13:38:47] <fragalot> you specifically said asian
[13:38:52] <fragalot> no, $22
[13:38:55] <elmo40> amazon is asian
[13:38:57] <fragalot> https://www.amazon.com
[13:39:09] <fragalot> amazon is not asian. but it does sell asian crap :P
[13:39:37] <Loetmichel> elmo40: those systems are SDIP-27 level A compliant if that rings a bell
[13:39:39] <elmo40> that must be new. i looked before xmas and didnt see that one
[13:40:02] <elmo40> fragalot, it has become overrun by aliexpress sellers.
[13:40:13] <fragalot> elmo40: you mean drop-ship sellers?
[13:40:26] <fragalot> i've been contacted by quite a few sites too asking if I want to become a drop-ship seller
[13:42:04] <elmo40> do it
[13:42:06] <elmo40> make money
[13:42:07] <Loetmichel> elmo40: thats how an external DVD-RW drive looks after it went thru my hands: http://www.cyrom.org
[13:42:09] <Loetmichel> :-)
[13:42:17] <Loetmichel> (and the measurement chamber :-)
[13:42:38] <elmo40> all it takes is a metal case?
[13:42:49] <elmo40> you have an RF tool?
[13:42:50] <Loetmichel> and a bunch of filters and gaskets.
[13:42:51] <Loetmichel> indeed
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[13:43:04] <Loetmichel> and double shielded cables and connectors
[13:43:33] <elmo40> this supression should be standard everywhere. So much noise in our lives now.
[13:43:54] <Loetmichel> two measurement chambers with R&S spectrum analyzers and antennas inside
[13:43:59] <elmo40> these 80" TVs are horrible! you turn them on and you feel your life force slipping away
[13:44:35] <Loetmichel> one set up for Sdip-27 and one for german "zone" model
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[13:45:00] <Loetmichel> and we are allowed to do our own certification by german "BSI"
[13:45:25] <Loetmichel> hence all those "MEP" manipulation proof labels
[13:46:12] <Loetmichel> so nobody can tamper with the devices and smuggle a bug in or something
[13:46:16] <elmo40> that is a LOT of screws!
[13:46:33] <elmo40> cant you fold one half or make a lip, and screw the other half?
[13:46:48] <Loetmichel> i probably could
[13:47:30] <Loetmichel> did something like that for an IR remote...
[13:47:33] <Loetmichel> let me see
[13:47:55] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- there it is
[13:48:33] <Loetmichel> was quite funny to build that... and boss was excited. the thought it looked great
[13:49:22] <Loetmichel> "sheet aluminium origami" ;)
[13:52:56] <Rab> Loetmichel, very nice. Did you machine those button caps in-house?
[14:02:14] <fragalot> I wonder how long those buttons are going to last
[14:02:46] <Rab> I was wondering the same thing.
[14:02:47] <fragalot> we've had issues with our membrane keypads (supplier changed manufacturing process to lower quality) when people used the touch-screen stylus on them
[14:03:17] <fragalot> and the point on those buttons looks awfully close to the tip of our pens
[14:03:26] <fragalot> and that remote looks awfully awful :D
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[14:14:26] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel how do you calculate for the bends on something like that?
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[14:19:42] <MacGalempsy> hello
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[14:56:40] <renesis> fragalot: needs rubber bumper
[14:56:46] <renesis> rab: ^
[14:56:58] <SpeedEvil> Also stop.
[14:57:05] <SpeedEvil> to limit travel.
[14:57:10] <renesis> like instead of a point, do a hole and shove in an eraser
[14:57:18] <renesis> i think tactile feedback might be enough
[14:57:36] <SpeedEvil> Consider what happens if you drop it on a button
[14:57:49] <renesis> if you do the rubber right, can get away without a stop, stop can make consistent actuation a problem over time
[14:57:55] <fragalot> renesis yup
[14:57:55] <SpeedEvil> Or drop a tool on a button
[14:58:03] <renesis> clearly it needs drop spikes on the front
[14:58:14] <renesis> drop spikes (c) rencorp
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[15:40:13] <CaptHindsight> https://www.phoronix.com
[15:40:29] <CaptHindsight> i.MX8 SoC Support Is Heading Into Linux 4.21
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[15:42:26] <CaptHindsight> the i.MX8 is the first ARM SOC that can support software stepping and 30fps+ HD res without on its own, no fpga needed
[15:43:26] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately it's only sold to a few vendors that make boards close to $100 and up
[15:43:42] <CaptHindsight> but it's a ~$25 part
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[15:48:41] <fragalot> Neat.
[15:49:36] <CaptHindsight> if Rockchip or Allwinner used Vivante and added some M4 microcontrollers then it would be a $5 chip
[15:50:36] <CaptHindsight> but the Chinese have no use for a 2+ core ARM SOC with a couple of microcontrollers onboard
[15:51:11] <CaptHindsight> 9 times out of 10 the Chinese use malin vs Vivante
[15:51:21] <CaptHindsight> mali/malin
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[15:51:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.nxp.com
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[15:52:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.nxp.com
[15:52:56] <fragalot> I'm more interested in the software stepping part you mentioned
[15:53:11] <fragalot> but I can't really see it in the specs, unless i'm looking in the wrong place
[15:53:23] <CaptHindsight> 2-4 ARM A53 cores so 1 for real time tasks and 1-3 more for non-real and 2 M4's for software stepping
[15:53:43] <fragalot> ah like that
[15:53:59] <CaptHindsight> like the BBB only with an GPU that has open drivers
[15:54:18] <CaptHindsight> so you get accelerated HD graphics vs 1-2 fps
[15:54:49] <fragalot> the little chip that could.
[15:55:14] <CaptHindsight> so x86 is still lower cost
[15:56:11] <CaptHindsight> I saw a dual core Atom board for $34 with some GPIO, only 6 GPIO that can software step but nothing left for inputs
[15:56:39] <fragalot> does it have SPI pins?
[15:56:50] <fragalot> because SPI based I/O chips can be more than fast enough these days
[15:57:05] <CaptHindsight> was thinking you could probably use a $1-2 FPGA to mux the GPIO to get more available
[15:57:23] <CaptHindsight> i think it had SPI and PCIe
[15:57:34] <CaptHindsight> let me find the link
[15:58:00] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com
[15:58:07] <CaptHindsight> has open schematics
[15:58:53] <fragalot> pretty neat really
[15:58:59] <CaptHindsight> TTL serial debug up to 3.6Mbps , not usre of the latency through the UART's FIFO
[15:59:06] <CaptHindsight> usre/sure
[15:59:25] <fragalot> for debug i've really come to like Segger's RTT
[16:00:07] <fragalot> print out debug strings all you want (within reason) and the cpu cost is equivalent to a simple memcpy
[16:00:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.digital-loggers.com
[16:02:23] <CaptHindsight> not sure if the BIOS lets you configure the 6 GPIO outs as suitable for real time stepping
[16:03:42] <CaptHindsight> they aren't using coreboot
[16:05:10] <CaptHindsight> over 100 million Alexa devices have been sold....
[16:05:56] <fragalot> and the 3-letter agencies have never been happier
[16:06:00] <CaptHindsight> if you told me 20 years ago that people would be lining up to buy devices that spy on them I would not have believed you
[16:06:39] <fragalot> I like to go into people's homes that have them and ask 'alexa, please set up a monthly order for toilet paper'
[16:06:46] <CaptHindsight> I don't think any of this will be solved in my lifetime even if i live to be 120
[16:07:12] <CaptHindsight> yeah tons of fun
[16:07:44] <CaptHindsight> South Park did a wonderful episode on Alexa and similar
[16:08:02] <fragalot> I loved the fallout from that episode
[16:08:11] <fragalot> devices around the globe going wild
[16:08:17] <CaptHindsight> watching the show with the volume loud enough started all sorts of fun in peoples homes
[16:08:36] <CaptHindsight> yeah, and still they don't learn
[16:09:03] <CaptHindsight> i think you can get people to line up to be shot in the head first if you market it right
[16:09:20] <fragalot> i've got a similarly annoying issue here
[16:09:26] <fragalot> my tv *THINKS* it has a microphone
[16:09:34] <fragalot> so every time you do something that has an input field
[16:09:40] <fragalot> it says "please say what you want to do"
[16:09:42] <fragalot> followed by
[16:09:44] <fragalot> "I didn't get that"
[16:09:48] <CaptHindsight> hah
[16:09:52] <fragalot> and THEN you can enter it manually
[16:10:09] <fragalot> but even though it has the letters on the remote, T9 style input doesn't work
[16:10:10] <fragalot> >.>
[16:10:51] <CaptHindsight> I just shout profanities to do things to itself when the opportunity presents itself
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[16:11:13] <CaptHindsight> haven't seen any Alexa on Alexa action yet though
[16:11:43] <CaptHindsight> someday
[16:11:48] <fragalot> I'd imagine they would have safeguarded it from looping?
[16:12:24] <fragalot> hmph
[16:12:30] <fragalot> I got a trackball the other day
[16:12:33] <CaptHindsight> thought about doing to RE on them to see what fun can ensue
[16:12:45] <fragalot> and it appears to respond to "left" moves more than "right" so the cursor always veers left
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[16:12:58] <CaptHindsight> quality
[16:13:09] <fragalot> it was cheap. ish.
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[16:13:44] <CaptHindsight> how was work this week? Seems like full swing won't be until Monday
[16:14:17] <fragalot> doesn't matter for my current job, that one's full swing every day
[16:14:36] <CaptHindsight> what's the school year like there? Are most out the 2 weeks around xmas to New years?
[16:14:44] <CaptHindsight> or longer
[16:14:59] <fragalot> I think it's longer
[16:15:17] <fragalot> but I may be wrong. :-)
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[16:16:22] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com
[16:16:42] <CaptHindsight> connect to FPGA over ethernet
[16:17:14] <fragalot> what will you use for the interface then?
[16:17:39] <fragalot> USB -> HDMI ?
[16:18:07] <CaptHindsight> has integrated Ethernet MAC
[16:18:26] <CaptHindsight> so real time ethernet -> Mesa FPGA
[16:18:33] <fragalot> doesn't the mesa board require to be alone on the network to guarantee realtime operation?
[16:18:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[16:18:50] <fragalot> so the only other user interface option is the USB connection
[16:19:12] <CaptHindsight> so you can have a second Ethernet on USB for connection to a LAN
[16:19:38] <fragalot> does it have a real ethernet interface, or is it also on the same USB bus like the older RPi's
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[16:20:07] <CaptHindsight> no it's integrated in the SOC
[16:20:16] <CaptHindsight> internal high speed bus
[16:20:19] <fragalot> I may get one of these. looks like fun
[16:20:34] <CaptHindsight> but looking at the pinout I don't see that they connected the GPU outs
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[16:20:41] <CaptHindsight> :(
[16:22:11] <CaptHindsight> I think the cheap board makes always look at what a CNC machine might need and make sure those signals are not routed :)
[16:22:19] <fragalot> :D
[16:22:19] <CaptHindsight> makes/makers
[16:23:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.orangepi.org
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[16:24:14] <CaptHindsight> ^^ these all have integrated NIC's
[16:24:28] <CaptHindsight> but mali GPU's
[16:25:00] <CaptHindsight> with enough cores you can still get fast video (software rendered)
[16:25:08] <CaptHindsight> to run Axis GUI
[16:25:56] <CaptHindsight> SPI or ethernet to --> Mesa FPGA
[16:27:02] <CaptHindsight> vs the recent Raspi with SPI --> Mesa FPGA, and the GPU has open drivers now
[16:30:41] <CaptHindsight> gotta run, almost dark here again
[16:30:52] <fragalot> hasn't even gotten light out here today
[16:31:18] <CaptHindsight> way up to 50F here today
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[16:31:38] <CaptHindsight> 10C
[16:31:52] <fragalot> yea we kinda skipped winter entirely
[16:31:54] <CaptHindsight> >10C more than average
[16:31:59] <fragalot> Aye
[16:34:18] <CaptHindsight> it's grey here nearly the entire winter
[16:34:42] <CaptHindsight> bbl
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[16:43:58] <enleth> have you ever seen a coax indicator that has a secondary display showing whether the feeler's plane of movement is currently parallel or perpendicular to the dial/restraining arm? it just occurred to me that this would be a mechanically simple and useful feature for powered use in a mill
[16:46:35] <enleth> something like those displays on a pimped out analog wirst watch showing the moon phase and other misc information, just a window in the dial face with a sliding part painted in two colors with a dividing line underneath
[16:47:40] <enleth> so it would alternate between all white and all black for example, as the feeler traverses quadrants of the full circle
[16:49:14] <enleth> as a visual aid to see which axis is contributing more to the needle deflection without having to track the position of the feeler, kinda difficult when dialing in under power
[16:53:27] <enleth> actually, it could also just be a third needle, or a disc with the feeler's position marked, side by side with the rotation counter
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[19:47:30] <Vitran> Is there an f error pin for the spindle
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[20:26:17] <andypugh> Vitran No because even if you have a closed loop spindle LinuxCNC is unaware of that fact
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[20:28:21] <andypugh> To an extent the spindle-at-speed pin has a similalr function. But a spindle will generally be not at speed very much more often than an axis will be out of position.
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[20:36:52] <elmo40> Loetmichel, with that origami remote cover, do you add a touch of weld to it? or leave it like that?
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