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[05:56:05] <jthornton> morning
[05:56:22] <XXCoder1> yo
[05:56:31] <XXCoder1> man heavy fog here lol
[05:56:34] <XXCoder1> right at 32f
[05:58:55] <jthornton> I've not looked outside yet
[05:59:08] <jthornton> says 35°F
[05:59:35] <jthornton> with a high of 40°F
[06:02:42] <jthornton> my chicken web page is flaky and does not stay current anymore I wonder what's wrong
[06:03:52] <XXCoder1> I wonder if it has a memory leak somewhere
[06:03:59] <XXCoder1> so it slowly fills memory
[06:04:19] <XXCoder1> look if its "swapping" often now (not sure if device uses swapping when memory is low)
[06:04:25] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:04:45] <jthornton> I just have to hit the refresh button on the browser
[06:05:06] <XXCoder1> that or maybe browser itself just stopped
[06:06:43] <jthornton> yea I think I'll try a different browser, the page is rather simple
[06:08:26] <jthornton> I had been using google chrome to watch that page
[06:09:50] <jthornton> I should write a python web browser to display that page for me
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[06:18:53] <Tom_L> 26�F, Hi 52, Lo 32
[06:19:10] <XXCoder1> interesting
[06:19:24] <XXCoder1> today I used my car fog lights for first time
[06:19:29] <XXCoder1> fog was that bad
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[06:23:24] <jthornton> I used to drive a lot in the fog when I lived on the gulf coast
[06:24:20] <XXCoder1> we live close to inlet sea here
[06:24:25] <XXCoder1> so yeah lots water
[06:25:12] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[06:25:54] <XXCoder1> saved link nice
[06:26:43] <jthornton> took about 15 minutes to make a working vcp or gui whatever you want to call it lol
[06:28:06] <XXCoder1> yeah it looks functional if plain
[06:28:12] <XXCoder1> great for 15 min.
[06:28:56] <jthornton> it's just to show how to build the various parts of the gui so yea very plain
[06:29:14] <jthornton> I think I'll make one for the mill to replace touchy
[06:29:41] <XXCoder1> plain is great for tutorials yeah
[06:29:49] <XXCoder1> same reason I made rolfmill so simple
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[07:16:49] <XXCoder1> jthornton: looks like I will get third hydralight salt water usb charger and light thing lol
[07:17:10] <XXCoder1> first had bad tabs, second was fine but they changed design before they could ship additional cells
[07:17:18] <XXCoder1> hopefully third will be final. jeez lol
[07:20:27] <jthornton> what is that?
[07:20:58] <XXCoder1> it uses salt water (olviously zinc) battery to power usb charger and its a light source
[07:21:17] <XXCoder1> amazing since as long as its not used it can literally be stored for 20 years (assuming zinc is sealed)
[07:22:20] <jthornton> interesting, something for camping or everyday use?
[07:24:09] <XXCoder1> can be camping for very long term emergacy storage
[07:24:45] <XXCoder1> once batteries is unsealed and wet it will corrode till gone I guess can somehow dry it and use dehyrogator to make it very dry and seal again
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[07:31:13] <MacGalempsy> good morning
[07:35:22] <flyback> aluminum can do the same thing
[07:35:31] <flyback> high energy as a primary one-shot battery
[07:36:41] <flyback> I thought about making batteries from old soda cans
[07:36:44] <XXCoder1> i guess it cannot be stopped once started unlike zinc one?
[07:36:49] <flyback> problem is the damn laquer on them
[07:36:56] <flyback> it's *CANucked*
[07:37:07] <flyback> I don't think you can stop zinc either
[07:37:19] <XXCoder1> could "freeze" once dried
[07:37:37] <XXCoder1> or in least last for quite a while while not making much power
[07:38:05] <flyback> god their stuff sounds like so much hype
[07:38:41] <XXCoder1> heh yeah
[07:39:30] <flyback> I had a toy as a kid like 30 yrs ago that used carbon, aluminum and air battery you added salt water
[07:40:46] <flyback> thing is the zinc is destroyed in the reaction
[07:40:53] <flyback> just like a carbon zinc battery
[07:40:57] <flyback> hence why they leak
[07:41:01] <flyback> it dissolves the shell
[07:41:46] <XXCoder1> yeah its how those lights work also
[07:41:52] <XXCoder1> it uses solid rod so it longs hours
[07:41:55] <XXCoder1> lasts
[07:41:55] <flyback> I have some nickel zinc rechargeables 1.y7v but they have problems with dendrite formations
[07:42:01] <flyback> half are dead and I never really used them
[07:42:13] <XXCoder1> 10 hours I think, but meanwhile it can be stored for 20 years
[07:42:28] <XXCoder1> once opened and used it might last couple years once dried and sealed again?
[07:44:24] <flyback> dunno
[07:44:30] <flyback> not impressed sorry
[07:44:40] <flyback> nickle iron batteries are neat also
[07:44:42] <XXCoder1> its not bad not woow
[07:44:48] <XXCoder1> but mine comes with solar panel
[07:44:49] <flyback> shitty density and self discharge
[07:44:54] <flyback> but they won't wear out
[07:44:56] <XXCoder1> so yeah BOTH ones I got got solar panels. lol
[07:45:19] <XXCoder1> probably so will third one. jeez
[07:45:19] <flyback> you can beat the shit out of nickle iron for decades
[07:45:33] <XXCoder1> sounds super cheap
[07:45:34] <flyback> and only have to change the liquid and clean the cells once every few yrs
[07:45:39] <XXCoder1> aka can make HUGE batteries
[07:45:44] <flyback> no cause no one makes them cause they don't wear out
[07:45:45] <flyback> hehee
[07:45:59] <XXCoder1> depends on ratio of iron and nickle I guess
[07:46:16] <flyback> furrywulf got some to rebuild
[07:46:31] <XXCoder1> cool. hows furry so far?
[07:46:38] <XXCoder1> havent nbeen in here for quite a long while
[07:46:56] <flyback> dunno she finally took my advice though or just concidence
[07:47:10] <XXCoder1> advice for batteries?
[07:47:13] <flyback> got some generators from a place that closed, sold some of them kept one or two
[07:47:35] <flyback> no getting a small generator for rare times a year if solar isn't enough
[07:47:45] <XXCoder1> ahh cool
[07:47:46] <flyback> there's nothing anti-green about having a emergency backup
[07:47:56] <XXCoder1> im considering solar power and wind power combo kit
[07:48:04] <XXCoder1> 800 watts I think
[07:48:10] <flyback> more power to ya :P
[07:48:16] <XXCoder1> lots winds here in colder weather, and sun in summers.
[07:48:21] <flyback> but i'd still have a gas genset myself as a backup
[07:48:21] <XXCoder1> but uncertain
[07:48:33] <flyback> what about water, could you do hydro?
[07:48:36] <XXCoder1> its for offsetting expensive power stuff like AC
[07:48:40] <XXCoder1> nah sadly
[07:48:56] <XXCoder1> small lot doesnt include any river or anything else
[07:49:08] <flyback> I seen people do plenty with diverted pipe hydro not having to damn anything
[07:49:26] <flyback> oh you bought an area without utilizites?
[07:49:36] <flyback> what about coal mines etc on the property?
[07:49:51] <XXCoder1> i live in city :)
[07:49:57] <XXCoder1> tacoma specifically :P
[07:50:08] <flyback> neat
[07:50:26] <flyback> oh washington so you guys have hot summers right?>
[07:50:29] <XXCoder1> the wind prop is pretty small though, 400w version
[07:50:47] <flyback> have you seen people make wind turbines from brushless dc washing machines etc
[07:50:49] <XXCoder1> similiar for solar. theres $600 kit that includes both
[07:50:53] <flyback> 400w is close to that range
[07:50:54] <XXCoder1> yeah
[07:51:01] <flyback> for a rewind
[07:51:11] <flyback> I think you can get 100-200w stock
[07:51:12] <XXCoder1> i got no idea how to wire it into house though
[07:51:24] <XXCoder1> and batteries etc
[07:51:31] <flyback> you want a grid tie inverter if you plan to sell back to grid
[07:51:35] <XXCoder1> how to prevent backlash if thunder says fan for example
[07:51:46] <flyback> downside is some of them can't blash start
[07:51:50] <XXCoder1> *say thunder hits fan
[07:51:57] <flyback> black start
[07:52:05] <XXCoder1> black start?
[07:52:25] <flyback> nice thing about grid tie is they use the mains ac to modulate the inverter so it's impossible for it to be out of phase with utility power
[07:52:32] <flyback> black start = start itself
[07:52:53] <flyback> like a ups that can start from battery when the mains was alreayd off
[07:53:09] <XXCoder1> https://www.aliexpress.com
[07:53:11] <XXCoder1> example
[07:53:22] <flyback> my point about the climate you are in is
[07:53:24] <flyback> some places
[07:53:30] <flyback> like california and arizonia
[07:53:32] <XXCoder1> 500w wind 400w solar
[07:53:41] <XXCoder1> oh wrong kit a second
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[07:53:45] <flyback> are using solar absorption chillers
[07:53:49] <flyback> for a/c
[07:53:59] <flyback> since their power usage is highest related to cooling
[07:54:21] <flyback> so they use a old tech like amonia and natural gas and propane air conditioners/fridges
[07:54:28] <flyback> only use the sun the heat the gas to do the cycle
[07:54:49] <XXCoder1> one of larger kits https://www.aliexpress.com
[07:55:36] <flyback> you know you can make lightning detectors using radios etc
[07:55:49] <flyback> if you wanted to have some kind of relay system to disconnect shit in a storm etc
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[07:56:07] <XXCoder1> but how about direct strike on wind power fan for example
[07:56:23] <flyback> you can't detect the lighting about to hit your house, too late, but you can detect storms in the area and try to isolate some of your shit
[07:56:31] <flyback> well the fan would be CANUCKED
[07:56:43] <flyback> but you could possibly prevent it from hitting the house and battery bank and inverters
[07:56:51] <XXCoder1> yeah probably should ground it so it dont send power into house
[07:57:31] <flyback> well you want some kind of large disconnect switch with a large gap and then some kind of grounded spark gap etc
[07:58:00] <XXCoder1> besides protection what do you think of such kits as I linked to
[07:58:33] <flyback> I dunno enough to tell you who makes good kits sorry
[07:58:39] <flyback> make sure your solar is mppt controller
[07:58:42] <flyback> I think all of them are now
[07:58:47] <XXCoder1> cool
[07:58:59] <flyback> I don't understand all the math, speedevil does
[07:59:09] <flyback> but the nature of solar cells is they aren't constant voltage
[07:59:14] <flyback> soi you need to regulate based on that
[07:59:15] <XXCoder1> of course
[07:59:17] <flyback> if you lose power
[07:59:22] <flyback> bathroom bbl
[07:59:25] <XXCoder1> same as wind power it varies so much'
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[08:09:15] <flyback> espically perm magnet gens
[08:09:21] <flyback> their regulation is *CANUCKED*
[08:09:27] <flyback> but electronics can handle this perfectely
[08:09:35] <flyback> so for small scale is makes more sense
[08:09:51] <flyback> you get better low rpm perfomance but more electronics but they are economical at small scale
[08:10:08] <XXCoder1> i dont plan to make em myself
[08:10:12] <XXCoder1> just buy a kit
[08:10:41] <flyback> they sell perm magnet ones
[08:10:43] <flyback> nothing wrong with them
[08:10:59] <flyback> in fact they are high for getting power out of low speed wind
[08:11:40] <flyback> high/great
[08:12:04] <flyback> perm magnet is king for < 1000w I would say
[08:12:15] <XXCoder1> good t know
[08:12:24] <XXCoder1> i was thinking 600w or so
[08:12:39] <flyback> CAR alternators use a excited rotor to do regulation
[08:12:54] <flyback> downside is you lose a bit of power but you gain good regulation and scales higher
[08:13:16] <flyback> I like verticle windmills myself
[08:13:29] <flyback> they don't scale high but they work in nearly standstill
[08:13:32] <XXCoder1> the ribbons type
[08:13:45] <XXCoder1> looks like dna winding looking thing?
[08:13:55] <flyback> commercial goes horizontal/prop type cause you get more out of the high side
[08:14:15] <flyback> also with verticle though you don't need a tail or moving into the wind
[08:14:31] <flyback> and you can have a spinning skirt for a water seal
[08:14:54] <flyback> but again I am not the expert on any of this I just share what I have lwarned OVER time
[08:16:21] <flyback> army came up with a clever hack
[08:16:39] <flyback> they have a excited rotor but they excite with ac and use spinning diodes to make it dc
[08:16:47] <flyback> so no slip rings
[08:16:52] <flyback> although slip rings don't care me
[08:17:10] <flyback> they are continious so you can use a conductive lube and also you can have a replacable wear ring
[08:17:23] <flyback> communitators I would avoid like ebola
[08:17:47] <flyback> unless you get a source of dc motors so cheap etc it's worth just replacing them
[08:17:59] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[08:18:06] <flyback> you know why right?
[08:18:13] <XXCoder1> like I said ill just buy a kit. no build by myself
[08:18:15] <flyback> comunitators it's containely making and breaking
[08:18:25] <flyback> so it's arcing, wearing out etc
[08:18:45] <flyback> you can't reduce the friction cause lube would short out the segments or prevent contact
[08:18:56] <flyback> yeah I know just giving you some background on different things people do
[08:19:38] <XXCoder1> ahh ok :) sorry quite tired and planning to go to bed soon
[08:19:43] <flyback> ok :)
[08:19:46] <flyback> another time then
[08:20:02] <flyback> id ask around before ordering anything that expensive
[08:20:20] <XXCoder1> indeed
[08:20:45] <XXCoder1> there is cheap no solar ones for just $200 or so which isnt too bad but no invertor etc so probably cost more
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[08:42:30] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder1: what are you working on?
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[10:53:32] <MacGalempsy> does anyone have any experience 3D scanning with the HP Sprout G2?
[10:55:31] <MacGalempsy> it is probably the cheapest structured light 3d scanner, and its a whole workstation
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[11:48:34] <gloops> http://www.ladbible.com
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[12:11:08] <fragalot> evening
[12:15:05] <gloops> hello
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[12:48:43] <fragalot> miss0r: seems my 'new' universal boring head may be missing in the mail >.>
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[13:58:20] <fragalot> never thought it'd be so hard to give away an older generation inverter welding setup
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[14:21:37] <fragalot> parliament in the UK seems quite packed
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[14:24:22] <rmu> 24:600
[14:24:50] <fragalot> Hors d'oeuvre!! :D
[14:25:01] <fragalot> I quite like this division business
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[14:26:27] <gloops> John Barrons ammendment defeated in the commons 600-24 votes!!
[14:26:42] <gloops> MPs now out to vote on Mays Brexit deal
[14:26:56] <fragalot> Aye
[14:27:06] <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
[14:27:27] <gloops> my estimate, she will lose by 160-180
[14:27:49] <SpeedEvil> just back out and pretend the whole shitshow never happened.
[14:27:50] <fragalot> just read up on some history, and in 1974, an impasse in the division vote was broken by a member of parliament being wheeled in an ambulance whilst uncoinscious after he'd suffered a heart attack a little while before
[14:28:16] <gloops> yes a few have been carried in on stretchers
[14:28:27] <fragalot> gloops: You're on. If you win, you get my little TIG welder. If you lose,.. you can also have it. but you must come pick it up in both cases :P
[14:28:57] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: you're in the US - I forget.
[14:29:08] <gloops> well im not sure if ill be banned from europe or not lol
[14:29:31] <gloops> probably need a ream of paperwork to bring a tig welder over
[14:29:36] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: belgium
[14:29:51] <fragalot> gloops: just hop on the ferry whilst you still can
[14:29:55] <gloops> this vote isnt really important anyway
[14:29:58] <fragalot> free travel & trade and all that
[14:30:23] <rmu> funny i didn't yet see any memes featuring the speaker of the house shouting "OOOORDERRR!"
[14:30:46] <gloops> might be a while before im those parts again
[14:30:48] <fragalot> rmu: probably because that's too common?
[14:31:16] <fragalot> gloops: 's fine. I can wait. :-) so far nobody seems to get past the "is it still for sale?" question stage
[14:31:16] <rmu> it's a funny guy somehow
[14:32:34] <gloops> May loses, nothing changes really
[14:33:04] <fragalot> at least it stops /that/ impasse
[14:33:07] <gloops> she goes to Brussels tomorrow, the EU will capitulate
[14:33:36] <fragalot> rmu: I wonder if he does voice exercises before going to work
[14:33:51] <fragalot> stretch the vocal chords so he doesn't tear them to bits
[14:34:41] <rmu> fragalot: could be he is a "trained" metal singer
[14:34:47] <fragalot> lol
[14:36:13] <fragalot> prepare for appetizers!
[14:39:08] <gloops> here it is
[14:39:22] <gloops> whoo
[14:39:35] <fragalot> guess you're getting a welder
[14:39:39] <fragalot> congrats
[14:39:57] <gloops> ayes 202 nays 432
[14:42:14] <gloops> no confidence vote in UK government coming
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[14:49:56] <gloops> so no confidence vote, May wins, she is then in a stronger position to go to brussels, because this is getting real now for the EU
[14:50:26] <fragalot> i'm not sure if she is in that much stronger of a position
[14:51:18] <gloops> 70 days left lol, we leave on march 29 - they want 39 billion they better start offering a deal
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[15:00:31] <rmu> it reminds of the tsipras vote in greece. he also was in a much stronger position afterwards
[15:01:33] <fragalot> actually.. I'm going on holiday to the UK in april
[15:01:38] <fragalot> I wonder if I'll need to apply for a visa
[15:01:44] <fragalot> after march
[15:01:47] <fragalot> which will take weeks
[15:01:48] <fragalot> hm.
[15:02:15] <fragalot> or if my car insurance would still be valid
[15:02:18] <fragalot> or my drivers license
[15:02:22] <fragalot> or the car license :P
[15:02:37] <gloops> i dont think anybody knows so it wont matter lol
[15:02:38] <rmu> i'm going in june. wondering the same.
[15:02:56] <rmu> but i won't bring a car
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[15:05:25] <gloops> the EU has issued us with 900 truck permits
[15:05:39] <MacGalempsy> yo
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[15:05:48] <gloops> howdy
[15:06:03] <MacGalempsy> making chips?
[15:06:21] <gloops> im not this week
[15:07:06] <MacGalempsy> been looking into 3d scanners this week. no chips or dip
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[15:34:44] <CaptHindsight> I looked for 3D scanners and there was either tiny maker junk or $50K turn key systems that output native CAD formats
[15:35:26] <CaptHindsight> have to make my own unless there's a $50k budget for a scanner
[15:39:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.3dnatives.com
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[15:41:59] <CaptHindsight> never had the best of experiences selling on Craigslist , but it seems far worse now
[15:42:47] <CaptHindsight> quite a cesspool of "buyers"
[15:43:45] <rmu> CaptHindsight: strange list there. "this scanner has an accuracy of 30 microns or 0.5 mm, equivalent to 0.05% of the size of the scanned object."
[15:45:05] <CaptHindsight> your choice, obviously :)
[15:45:58] <CaptHindsight> DAVID Pro SLS-3D
[15:46:38] <CaptHindsight> hah, the specs here are even worse https://www.3dnatives.com
[15:46:49] <CaptHindsight> Resolution (mm) : 30
[15:46:53] <Tom_L> andy got a faro arm he's playing with
[15:47:05] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: please allow 2cm due to manual measurement
[15:47:09] <rmu> there it says mm
[15:47:11] <rmu> strange
[15:47:17] <rmu> 30mm is not any kind of "resolution"
[15:47:18] <CaptHindsight> the editors suck
[15:47:39] <rmu> even approximation with lego bricks would be better ;)
[15:48:12] <rmu> at 300×500mm that would be only 10×17 "pixels"
[15:48:35] <CaptHindsight> https://www8.hp.com
[15:48:55] <CaptHindsight> Resolution/Precision:
[15:48:56] <CaptHindsight> Up to .05% of scan size (up to .05 mm)
[15:49:13] <rmu> get a high resolution camera (sony a7r is cheap), decent lens, a turntable, and write the software yourself
[15:49:19] <CaptHindsight> up to or down to?
[15:49:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah, not any reasonably priced options
[15:50:14] <fragalot> i've got an a7RII - can confirm that they have _BRILLIANT_ sensors.
[15:50:44] <CaptHindsight> mount it on the machine, it has 5+ axis
[15:50:55] <rmu> the original a7r is about €1k5 now
[15:51:17] <CaptHindsight> cameras shmameras
[15:53:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.artec3d.com
[15:54:58] <CaptHindsight> "what's Linux?" when it comes to drivers and application software
[15:55:49] <CaptHindsight> do people have winders systems with all the welded shut to run dedicated apps like this reliably?
[15:55:57] <CaptHindsight> all the ports
[15:56:20] <gloops> ive just been installing a printer on windows - what a f... about
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[15:58:18] <JT-Shop> well crap stamps.com says I have to update to the new crappy software with the tablet look and huge screens...
[16:01:29] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the apps all seem to get worse every version
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[16:02:40] <JT-Shop> I like one developers comment, it's that way because it fits my work flow
[16:02:58] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be soon
[16:03:16] <JT-Shop> no putube for me during pay time
[16:03:46] <CaptHindsight> the USPS website isn't much better and the agents at the post office are constantly frustrated with them
[16:04:23] <XXCoder1> CaptHindsight: sure if we keep cutting education and school budgets
[16:04:46] <CaptHindsight> it started grabbing text from other lines you select lately
[16:05:21] <CaptHindsight> you to cut n paste a customer street address and it also grabs the customer name
[16:05:30] <JT-Shop> well being on medicare saves me $1000 right on top and $3000 in deductibles so far I'm liking it
[16:06:07] <fragalot> I should really stop buying 2nd hand machine tools
[16:06:15] <fragalot> /ALL/ of them appear to get lost in transit
[16:06:43] * JT-Shop should blast the pipe and put it in the box and call it a day
[16:07:06] <fragalot> tapmatic 50x, 2 sine plates, kaiser PA automatic boring head... none of it's made it here & all of them have a tracking # in limbo
[16:07:10] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: lost forever or temporarily?
[16:07:26] <fragalot> the tapmatic is lost forever & has been refunded by the shipping company
[16:07:33] <fragalot> the other 3 are "under investigation"
[16:08:01] <CaptHindsight> USPS has been pretty great until they lose something, then it's investigations for weeks
[16:08:21] <CaptHindsight> UPS, DHL and FEDEX investigate for maybe a day
[16:08:23] <JT-Shop> should have bought my tapmatic...
[16:08:24] <fragalot> I have had bad luck with USPS several years ago
[16:08:38] <fragalot> as in, really bad luck
[16:09:01] <fragalot> JT-Shop: what'cha got on offer?
[16:09:40] <JT-Shop> https://mesaus.com
[16:10:09] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: USPS sent me a pic of a damaged 20L pail of resin...
[16:10:31] <CaptHindsight> the pail was on it's side wit the arrows pointing sideways in the photo :)
[16:10:45] <CaptHindsight> this end up
[16:11:21] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: USPS held my items in customs storage for 6 months before contacting me demanding storage fees of €750, followed by €300 import duties, and delivery of a neatly repackaged, but obviously dropped and damaged quad CPU xeon server.
[16:11:39] <fragalot> then did absolutely nothing when I filed for insurance
[16:12:12] <fragalot> 3 of the CPU's had been ripped out of their sockets, the chassis was warped, and one of the SCSI drive and it's bay was mangled beyond repair
[16:12:13] <JT-Shop> ouch
[16:13:14] <XXCoder1> ouch
[16:13:50] * fragalot dislikes USPS :P
[16:14:40] <mozmck> We lost over $20000 worth of stuff to UPS and they refused to pay even though it was all insured.
[16:14:56] <mozmck> So, USPS is not the only one!
[16:15:22] <fragalot> mozmck: Yeah. I don't know which shipping company to trust any more, other than a local spedition company
[16:15:44] <fragalot> but they are only suitable for "it really, really, really needs to get there!" kind of shipments
[16:17:16] <CaptHindsight> Fedex loses any paperwork or checks sent
[16:17:28] <CaptHindsight> DHL can't find my location
[16:17:51] <CaptHindsight> UPS keeps screwing up my billing
[16:18:24] <pcw_mesa> Fredex lost a shipment to Portugal for 6 months (it was in Tennessee all along, they really did nothing to find it unless pushed every day)
[16:18:49] <pcw_mesa> $15K
[16:19:13] <CaptHindsight> yeah they don't want tp pay
[16:19:36] <CaptHindsight> they figure if they make your life difficult enough you'll give up
[16:19:43] <pcw_mesa> I suspect they have huger warehouses of lost packages
[16:19:55] <rmu> UPS screwed up every lenovo shipment up till now. eventually everything arrived, but it was usually delayed 2 weeks or more, sitting in a warehouse 5km from me
[16:20:02] <CaptHindsight> cheaper to store than payout
[16:20:36] <fragalot> pcw_mesa: they do not have a huge warehouse of lost packages, because they auction them off periodically
[16:20:47] <fragalot> rmu: same!
[16:21:26] <fragalot> my laptop was sent via UPS, re-routed to local depot after failed home delivery, yet showed up at my doorstep anyway 4 days later, with no mention of it ever even getting near said depot where I was told to pick it up
[16:21:42] <rmu> to me it looks like they sell (to lenovo) a service to deliver the package within some timeframe, and if that timeframe is exceeded, some external reasons are made up
[16:21:44] <Wolf__> with seeing backend of large commercial freight works, its really not hard for stuff to get lost
[16:22:12] <fragalot> ooooh. new clickspring video
[16:22:40] <fragalot> Wolf__: don't forget the subcontracting of subcontracted shipments
[16:22:40] <rmu> so showing "the receiving business was closed" on the tracking form while the actual package is still somewhere in the air is borderline fraud IMHO
[16:22:47] <Wolf__> I work two trade shows in the DC area that each have over a million lbs of freight that come in to them
[16:23:13] <Wolf__> common to find full skids of mis-delivered things there
[16:23:45] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: well it's all those numbers and street names, who can keep it all straight? :)
[16:24:08] <Wolf__> biggest thing is when they stack things to fill the trucks
[16:24:24] <Wolf__> then dont unstack when they deliver lol
[16:24:28] <CaptHindsight> rmu: they will just claim it was a mistake
[16:24:50] <CaptHindsight> we need a world package court
[16:26:08] <CaptHindsight> the shipping services really don't want to communicate with each other or with you
[16:26:36] <Wolf__> I also get to see that a lot of people dont know how to pack things on a pallet correctly for freight shipping, and dont understand that when you freight ship something that its going to get moved on/off trucks a dozen times lol
[16:26:36] <rmu> i'm waiting for a package that was last seen at customs office in minsk one week ago. not holding my breath.
[16:26:42] <CaptHindsight> they use 2nd and 3rd parties and don't tell you what office the package is at
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[16:30:46] <CaptHindsight> most of the trucking co's i have dealt with were slime
[16:31:02] <jym> CaptHindsight: green?
[16:31:12] <CaptHindsight> have found UPS, MME and couple others to be decent
[16:31:14] * jym is just testing an irc client
[16:31:24] <CaptHindsight> any color
[16:31:41] <jym> babypoogreen it is!!!
[16:31:47] <jym> poop*
[16:31:54] <CaptHindsight> glow-in-the-dark
[16:32:01] <jym> lol
[16:32:34] <CaptHindsight> is there such a thing as a reputable mover?
[16:32:39] <jym> me not liking the look/feel of this client
[16:33:03] * jym sighs
[16:34:18] <CaptHindsight> jym: my little pony IRC client?
[16:34:54] <jym> somethng like that
[16:35:19] <jym> might as well be... pidgen
[16:36:32] <CaptHindsight> My2 Mommies IRC client?
[16:36:57] <jym> CaptHindsight: lol, that might be better than this thing is
[16:37:45] <jym> CaptHindsight: Pidgin in mate
[16:38:08] <jym> lets try that again...
[16:38:40] <Jymmm> Hmmm, test2
[16:38:49] <Jymmm> Oh lag
[16:39:09] <jym> big lag, like 40 seconds
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[16:43:37] <Deejay> gn8
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[19:00:51] <sliptonic> why won't pncconf's advanced options hal components page let me increment the number of absolutes?
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[19:19:05] <jthornton> you would have to ask on the forum
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[19:54:16] <chunkypuffs> Anybody here very familiar with Fusion?
[19:54:30] <chunkypuffs> Also, those who know who I am, I have a bouncer now, so I won't miss any messages.
[19:56:12] <chunkypuffs> There's a specific part of fusion called "DCS" meaning distributed cam
[19:56:19] <chunkypuffs> I would like to know if it runs on linux
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[20:43:07] <sliptonic> chunkypuffs: I don't think anything Fusion runs on linux. What's it s'posed to do?
[20:45:58] <chunkypuffs> sliptonic, It simply processes the CAM toolpathing on various machines
[20:46:23] <chunkypuffs> it's a distributed cam system, it daemonizes on a windows system, and runs on a port, and you just enable it in your client, and then you can use a Windows PC to do all of the CAM toolpathing for you
[20:46:27] <chunkypuffs> https://cam.autodesk.com
[20:46:36] <chunkypuffs> "Use unused CPU cycles on your network to calculate faster."
[20:46:50] <chunkypuffs> Seems that Wine doesn't crash immediately, so we'll see if this works in Wine.
[20:57:33] <norias> oh, HSMWorks
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[21:18:12] <ziper> XXCoder1, hi, can i talk to you about carbon fiber
[21:57:49] <norias> GOSH
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