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[02:16:27] <XXCoder1> interesting cnc design https://www.youtube.com
[02:17:09] <Jymmm> Wood gasifier results... https://youtu.be
[02:18:50] <XXCoder1> i like his design for table saw jig, metal strip to hav easily lockable stop
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[02:27:20] <XXCoder1> man!!
[02:27:36] <XXCoder1> the patching table holes with drawings by his kids thing is brilliant
[02:29:19] <XXCoder1> he vectorized the drawings and cut flaws out with it, then made fill parts and glued it in, then faced the top
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[02:36:27] <veek> is there a difference between cutting steel bolts and wood twigs? (thinking of using a bolt cutter to cut some bamboo twigs)
[02:36:44] <XXCoder1> teeth spacing
[02:36:59] <XXCoder1> metal chips fall out easier to teeth is pretty small
[02:37:01] <Wolf__> metal shears easier than plant fibers
[02:37:43] <veek> ah hmm ok thanks
[02:37:53] <XXCoder1> shears not saw type nm lol
[02:40:17] <XXCoder1> hes crazy. https://www.youtube.com
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[03:12:44] <Deejay> moin
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[03:54:21] <Wolf__> syyl: see the link I posted yesterday am?
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[05:53:40] <_unreal_> XXCoder1, Tom_L etc..... just found most of what I need prebuilt preempt and ROS builds for my board. https://tinkerboarding.co.uk
[05:53:52] <XXCoder1> fun
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[06:43:48] <enleth> any hints for welding up and remachining a worn down dog clutch?
[06:44:34] <jthornton> use the right rod and anneal the part after welding
[06:44:40] <XXCoder1> buy new part ;)
[06:47:14] <Tom_L> morning
[06:47:18] <Deejay> hey
[06:47:33] <jthornton> morning
[06:48:33] <enleth> XXCoder1: $600 or so at H&W
[06:48:59] <XXCoder1> cheap! lol yeah if budget is tight i'd rather weld up and fix
[06:49:03] <enleth> I could hire someone to recondition those parts for that kind of money
[06:49:07] <Tom_L> 38°F, Hi 45, Lo 16 hmm, cold front on the way
[06:50:15] <enleth> XXCoder1: I'm actually considering pre-machining just the clutch plates on that very bridgeport, then facing the original teeth off completely on a lathe and welding the plates in
[06:50:38] <enleth> should be easier than welding up in situ and grinding into shape
[06:51:22] <XXCoder1> if you could manage key trapeioid it would create even stronger connection, but then weld would be strong enough I guess
[06:51:53] <enleth> well, the birdgeport is CNC, i can machine any shape I see fit
[06:52:06] <enleth> OK, that does seem to be the correct way to do it
[06:52:31] <enleth> I can check the fit and so on without disassembling and disabling the machine until I'm sure that it would fir
[06:52:34] <enleth> *fit
[06:54:03] <enleth> the general problem I'm trying to fix is that in high gear the machine sounds like someone dragged a crate full of steel scrap over cobblestone at high speed
[06:54:18] <enleth> however, at low gear, it sounds absolutely perfectly
[06:54:52] <XXCoder1> does it use different gears for those speeds?
[06:55:25] <enleth> in the low gear, the loudest part of the machine is the V-belt, even with the motor overdriven to 120Hz, which is twice the design speed and nets about 3700RPM
[06:55:51] <enleth> and the only part that is *not* transferring power in low gear is the dog clutch
[06:56:12] <enleth> it gets engaged for high gear only
[06:57:20] <enleth> well OK, I need to model this cluctch and mill it in something like chromoly, then weld it in
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[08:42:26] <rmu> i'm experimenting with one of my spare 7i90s connected to a PC via epp, and i get errors with smart serial
[08:42:50] <rmu> hm2/hm2_7i90.0: hm2_sserial_waitfor: Timeout (50mS) waiting for addr 5c00 &mask ff00 val 2000
[08:42:53] <rmu> hm2/hm2_7i90.0: DATA addr 5d00 after timeout: 12345678
[08:45:51] <rmu> mesaflash also doesn't want to display anything about connected smart serial devices (other 7i90s9
[08:46:37] <pcw_home> what sserial remote?
[08:46:59] <rmu> 7i90
[08:47:15] <rmu> work flawlessly with raspberry pi/spi firmware
[08:49:23] <pcw_home> so 7I90 EPP talking to second 7I90 with ssremote firmware?
[08:50:27] <rmu> yes
[08:52:10] <pcw_home> Its possible there are bugs in the 7I90 ssremote stiffware that may be exposed by newer LinuxCNC driver code (I found some while re-writing the 7I90 code for the 7IA0)
[08:52:54] <rmu> how much newer? my pc checkout is current, the raspberry pi one is from mid-december
[08:53:17] <pcw_home> those should be the same
[08:54:04] <pcw_home> the new stuff is the part that walks through the parameter database to expose settable parameters to hal
[08:54:36] <pcw_home> so the 7I90 remote works with the SPI host?
[08:54:44] <rmu> yes
[08:55:02] <pcw_home> OK so probably not LinuxCNC related
[08:56:09] <rmu> perhaps i have old epp firmware in 7i90
[08:56:51] <pcw_home> is the EPP connection reliable excluding the ssremote? (EPP connections are somewhat succeptable to noise/ground bumping)
[08:57:28] <pcw_home> I dont think the EPP firmware has changed for years
[08:57:50] <rmu> the one I flashed is from 2014
[08:58:24] <pcw_home> I dont think its even been changed
[08:59:04] <pcw_home> nor are there any known bugs (the SPI firmware had a bug fixed about 1-2 years ago)
[09:00:16] <pcw_home> is the host side sserial stiffware version 43?
[09:01:19] <rmu> yes, version 43
[09:01:37] <rmu> hm2/hm2_7i90.0: Smart Serial Firmware Version 43
[09:02:01] <pcw_home> then everything should be the same, so maybe EPP issue
[09:02:13] <rmu> io_error stays "FALSE"
[09:02:43] <pcw_home> That just shows that the handshaking is working
[09:04:38] <rmu> ok i will look at the cabling. ATM it is a flat ribbon from motherboard idc to subd25 about 20cm, then 1m flat ribbon 25pin 1:1 cable, then 10cm subd25 to idc into 7i90
[09:06:50] <pcw_home> Should be OK ( I've used 5m flat cables, OK if _no_ external noise ) whats you servo thread rate?
[09:08:55] <rmu> 1khz
[09:09:16] <rmu> but that is even before doing any addfs
[09:10:29] <pcw_home> yeah looks like it fails during discovery
[09:10:39] <rmu> hmm. really seems to be the cabling
[09:10:50] <rmu> i cut out the 1m thing in between and error is gone
[09:13:03] <pcw_home> Ahh... It may also be that the EPP sserial code does not have the latest UART RX digital filter gimcracks (~2016 vintage)
[09:13:08] <rmu> is the 7i80 with raspberry pi spi header available yet?
[09:13:31] <pcw_home> Yes 7C80 (fancy) and 7C81 (simple)
[09:13:49] <pcw_home> want a proto?
[09:14:13] <rmu> but they are not in the mesanet store are they?
[09:14:44] <rmu> is it possible to connect a thcad to them?
[09:14:46] <pcw_home> Not yet , just building first lots of 50 each now
[09:15:17] <pcw_home> 7C80 has differential encoder input so yes
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[09:19:48] <rmu> i'm going to order a 7i80hd and a thcad 300V, and would like to add a 7c80
[09:20:32] <rmu> the difference between 7i80hd-16 and -25 is just the "size" of the FPGA?
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[09:22:41] <pcw_home> Yes just FPGA size, unless you need 36 stepgens or something weird the -16 is always big enough
[09:22:54] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com
[09:24:11] <XXCoder1> huge pic lol
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[09:27:44] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com
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[09:39:06] <rmu> ok so i filled a cart, how do i add a 7c80?
[09:41:09] <pcw_home> If you want a proto 7C80 just add a note to that effect
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[09:46:30] <rmu> hmm. seems checkout is not possible at the moment. CURL ERROR: 28::Operation timed out after 10001 milliseconds with 0 bytes received
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[09:47:03] <pcw_home> thats odd
[09:47:42] <rmu> ok, it did checkout (received sms from CC), but order in shop is in limbo
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[09:50:56] <rmu> strange. received that msg a second time
[09:54:03] <pcw_home> Yeah got another order in the mean time so store seems ok, not sure whats going on
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[09:56:13] <rmu> ok tried again, now it worked
[09:56:42] <rmu> if this thing is implemented correctly it shoudl cancel the first CC transaction. Else I will ;-)
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[10:03:28] <pcw_home> I only see one merchant transaction
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[10:44:37] <pcw_home> Ack just got a merchant transaction for order 5129 that was incomplete, we will cancel that transaction (5131 is the correct one)
[10:45:14] <pcw_home> note that your credit card is not charged until we capture/ship
[10:56:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Dining table video... the kids drawing inlays were cool. Man that is a HUGE cnc he has
[10:57:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: BIG ASS shop too, especially for just one guy
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[12:24:58] <Net|> <Net|> i wonder if helium would work good in inflatable drones
[12:24:58] <Net|> <Net|> https://youtu.be
[12:25:30] <gregcnc> not enough volume to matter
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[13:06:50] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[13:08:10] <Tom_L> needs some TLC
[13:09:07] <fragalot> as new condition. barely used
[13:09:48] <gloops> some good old machines there though, good buy for anyone trying to set up on a shoestring
[13:10:16] <Tom_L> unless you're on the wrong side of the pond
[13:10:35] <gloops> wrong side of the country for me
[13:11:09] <fragalot> wrong country for me
[13:11:09] <fragalot> :P
[13:13:47] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[13:13:52] <gloops> fine old lathe
[13:14:35] <gloops> pity he left it outside
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[13:17:25] <MacGalempsy> hello
[13:38:08] <phaxx> anyone got any opinions on this bandsaw? https://www.machinemart.co.uk
[13:40:52] <JT-Shop2> looks like your typical chinese band saw
[13:40:58] <phaxx> the other one I'm looking at in this range is https://www.starrett.co.uk and I'm wondering if the Draper's vertical feature is going to make it pretty flimsy.
[13:42:29] <gloops> draper is one of those makes that had a good reputation but is now chinese
[13:43:01] <gloops> where are you roughly phaxx?
[13:43:09] <phaxx> Ireland.
[13:43:14] <gloops> ahh
[13:44:07] <gloops> one here https://www.ebay.co.uk
[13:45:50] <gloops> theres not much really to wear out on a bandsaw apart from bearings and tyres, the chinese ones the problem is the clamps and tensioners are made from crappy alloy, they snap, threads strip etc
[13:46:09] <fragalot> gloops: care to help me find a service manual for a invema FR 100 ?
[13:46:30] <fragalot> 1000*
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[13:47:05] <fragalot> at least, I think it's from invema....
[13:47:15] <fragalot> the only marking on it is "FR 1000" cast into the head
[13:47:29] <gloops> can only google same as you lol
[13:47:39] <fragalot> your google-fu has helped before :D
[13:48:01] <fragalot> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[13:48:13] <fragalot> don't have an overview pic due to not having made one
[13:48:46] <fragalot> the thing is gushing oil faster than you can pour it in & i'm trying to find which seals it's got where
[13:50:19] * fragalot afk
[13:50:46] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com like that?
[13:51:03] <gloops> wondering if '100' is 4 inch
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[14:09:38] <gregcnc> isn't that drill bigger than your shed?
[14:11:07] <gloops> no its 4ft - not 4 inch
[14:21:18] <gloops> made in taiwan? like naerok
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[14:54:14] <gloops> ok, i buy one of these, stick it on my z, is the focus with these things just a matter of distance from the job?
[14:54:49] <gloops> so i 0 on the job then move z + whatever to the height it likes
[14:58:07] <gloops> no..i home the z, then take it to height of the job - whatever
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[15:23:30] <Loetmichel> re at home. WHAT a torture . Started my day at 0100 this morning, driving 707km to Vienna in a company Merc E220D... with a lit "check engine" light... arrived at 0830, did 0900 to 1400 final acceptance at the customers place, drove 707km back... its now 2118 over here... and i am PRETTY tired. Also that §"$(%&( car decided to give me a heart attack when i rolled on the customers parking
[15:23:30] <Loetmichel> lot. pressed the brakes and the pedal just vanished. BIIIG message in the tachometer display: "ESP failure, reduced braking power!!!" I NOTICED; THANK YOU!... ignition off, ignition on: error gone... THATS reassuring when you have to drive 700km back home in that pile of junk...
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[15:25:04] <Nick001-Shop> <pcw_mesa> Will a 7i77 card handle 2 operating spindles in 2.9?
[15:25:50] <Nick001-Shop> 2.9/2.8
[15:27:19] <pcw_mesa> Possibly by stealing a motion axis analog out but you would need an alternate enable
[15:29:29] <Nick001-Shop> 2.8 has 9 axes-no problem-whats an alternate enable?
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[15:37:43] <pcw_mesa> the 7I77a analog enables are divided into 5 motion axis (common enable) and one spindle axis
[15:37:45] <pcw_mesa> if you want to steal a motion axis analog out to use for spindle control you must use something like a field I/O output for spindle enable
[15:39:39] <pcw_mesa> since there is only one independent spindle enable (on analog channel 5 of 0,1,2,3,4,5)
[15:41:18] <Nick001-Shop> would U axis work - What is field I/O output? I havn't come across that term and I don't seem to be able to find docs for 2.8. What I got was the index pages and the info pages were blank.
[15:41:30] <pcw_mesa> so if you have a 4 axis setup you could steal analog out 4 as a alternate spindle output and have 0,1,2,3 for motion axis and 4,5 for spindle
[15:42:22] <pcw_mesa> field I/O refers to the 7I77s 12/24V isolated I/O section
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[15:46:17] <rmu> Loetmichel: i used to take rental for this kind of trips
[15:46:51] <Loetmichel> rmu: boss is to cheap for that
[15:46:54] <rmu> but all this driving just is a huge waste of time (and other things)
[15:47:05] <Loetmichel> he is also to cheap to maintain the Merc correctly.
[15:47:13] <Loetmichel> thats why it has all those issues
[15:49:23] <rmu> that ESP error is a flaky connection to some wheel sensor
[15:49:43] <Loetmichel> probably
[15:49:46] <rmu> once thats loose it will never be whole again
[15:49:51] <Loetmichel> on that car ALL the electrics are flaky
[15:50:31] <Loetmichel> it has intermittent "check engine", all kinds of funny errors, sometimes it just shuts off and dosent start for a day...
[15:51:15] <Loetmichel> its old. and everyone in the company takes it for whatever job is at hand that needs a station wagon,
[15:51:20] <rmu> frankfurt-vienna?
[15:51:22] <Loetmichel> so nobody feels responsible
[15:51:26] <Loetmichel> RM: yes
[15:51:35] <rmu> why don't you take the train
[15:51:38] <rmu> boss too cheap?
[15:51:49] <Loetmichel> because of trunk full of customer PCs
[15:52:11] <Loetmichel> "last minute delivery run"
[15:52:18] <Loetmichel> you know the problem?
[15:52:32] <rmu> try to avoid that
[15:52:52] <gloops> pull the clocks and take the bulbs out of the warning lights, or put some black tape over them
[15:52:52] <Loetmichel> wprked on the PCs until thurstday at 1700
[15:53:17] <Nick001-Shop> <pcw_mesa>I'll tuck that away for now til I get further on that project. Have a Hardinge hooked up to a 7i37TA with M102 & 103 collet open & close. How do I hook manual switches to also controll them. Also, would the switches be locked out during auto operatiom to prvent an operater from opening a collet or chuck while th spindle is turning?
[15:53:35] <Loetmichel> then loaaded the car, drove it home, slept a few hours, got up at 0100 and drove to vienna to be there in time for delivery
[15:53:40] <Loetmichel> ... barely
[15:53:52] <rmu> i'm too old for two 7h drives a day
[15:54:19] <Loetmichel> rmu: ... and a 5 hour customer acceptance check in the middle
[15:54:22] <rmu> did know some guys that didn't survive such drives
[15:54:43] <Loetmichel> <- 49 years old now... i feel it, belive me
[15:54:48] <rmu> "sekundenschlaf" and driving into a semi on the autobahn with 160kph
[15:55:00] <Loetmichel> a few decades earlier it was a LOT easier to do such silly things
[15:55:45] <Loetmichel> i am considerate enough to drive to the next parking lot and sleep a while in the car if i feel exhausted or sleepy
[15:55:51] <Loetmichel> i know the signs
[15:56:08] <Loetmichel> surprisingly i had no problems on the leg home
[15:56:09] <rmu> your merc surely has all that fancy distance radar and lane keeping assistants
[15:56:12] <rmu> fully functional
[15:56:44] <Loetmichel> rmu: its a2004 E220d with smallest aviable packages. company car
[15:57:05] <Loetmichel> and it has the "electronics flu" like most old mercs from that years
[15:57:27] <Loetmichel> phantom errors, real errors, no comfort at all...
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[15:57:31] <Loetmichel> you know the drill ;)
[15:57:38] <rmu> the 95 vintage are worse
[15:58:02] <gloops> only supposed to keep them 3 years then buy a new one
[15:58:06] <pcw_mesa> Nick001-Shop: thats a generic hal file setup question maybe be best asked on the forum (lockout can be done in hal with the 'and' component and a specific motion pin that indicates interpreter state, I don know the name off-hand)
[15:58:06] <Loetmichel> yeah, if you vant vintage buy an 80ties one
[15:58:07] <rmu> those came with the flu out of sindelfingen
[15:58:11] <Loetmichel> they run forever ;)
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[15:58:55] <rmu> i made the "mistake" to preorder a model 3 i think 3 years ago? when they were fist announced
[15:59:14] <rmu> last info is: available in february, price: unknown, but likely about 70000€
[15:59:49] <gloops> wifes mate bought a renault capture 18 months ago - gearbox went 2 weeks ago
[15:59:59] <gloops> a new renault capture
[16:00:15] <rmu> manual gearing?
[16:00:28] <gloops> yeah, im sure she said it has 6 gears
[16:00:31] <rmu> you can ruin those in a day if you want
[16:00:57] <gloops> well she knows how to drive, most cars here are manual
[16:02:04] <Loetmichel> gloops: a friend of mine that happened to be a car dealer once said: "dont ever buy cars with "F": Ford, Fiat, French ones!"
[16:02:06] <rmu> some cars have "robot"-shifted gearbox, that's not a traditional automatic transmission
[16:02:10] <Loetmichel> and he is right ;)
[16:02:15] <rmu> hehe
[16:02:45] <rmu> i know sayings like "mitm ford fahrst fort, mitm zug kummst zruck"
[16:02:45] <gloops> Loetmichel probably right, i did like the old fords though, easy to look after
[16:03:13] <Nick001-Shop> <pcw_mesa> OK maybe someone will answer that question. thaks for your time.
[16:03:47] <gloops> minor problems arent so bad if they are easy to fix, not when you have to strip half the car away to get to something stupid
[16:04:13] <rmu> gearbox after 18 months should be covered by warranty
[16:04:30] <gloops> it was covered yeah
[16:04:48] <rmu> i had the timing belt go on a citroen
[16:05:18] <gloops> no guarantees even with a new timing belt
[16:05:24] <rmu> all inspections / servicings had been done
[16:05:34] <gloops> although the car should be covered if new
[16:05:49] <rmu> no it was not new, it had about 140000 km
[16:05:57] <gloops> oh well lol
[16:06:11] <gloops> 70000 miles or 5 years
[16:06:13] <rmu> change according to citroen at 160000
[16:06:27] <rmu> they fixed it. would have cost over 7000
[16:07:15] <gloops> iwife had one go on an espace - well, fan belt snapped wrapped round the pulley and brought the timing belt off
[16:07:27] <gloops> wasnt paying the bill for that
[16:10:22] <gloops> general thing to do here if you buy a decent used car - new timing belt first job
[16:10:25] <rmu> the timing belt thing was a design error. condensing water could drip on the belt while the car was parked and would cause corrosion
[16:11:19] <gloops> i think theyre designed to finish the engine off, some of these corps make more from parts sales than selling cars
[16:11:49] <rmu> and the 7k€ are ridiculous anyway, thats only that high because the shop would charge 150€ per hour or something like that
[16:11:52] <gloops> timing belts go brittle in time, regardless of mileage, they can 'set' in a position if the car is stood for a long time
[16:11:58] <gloops> they dont like cold
[16:12:34] <rmu> yeah. and the change interval of 160000km proved to be very optimistic.
[16:12:51] <sync> not really
[16:13:03] <gloops> can check if the engine is a 'safe' engine
[16:13:24] <gloops> some 8 valves you can get away with a snapped blet, the valves are vertical
[16:13:43] <rmu> sync what do you mean. "not really" is kind of standard-answer that can be applied to anything.
[16:14:04] <sync> 160Mm is not very optimistic, the error rate is in the PPM range
[16:14:26] <sync> and it keeps the timing belt out of the service requirements for leased cars
[16:14:33] <rmu> may be, they should have fixed the thing dripping on the timing belt sooner
[16:14:33] <gloops> piston pushes the valve straight back up, doesnt bend it, soft cam followers bend - easy and cheap to replace
[16:14:45] <rmu> i was one of those PPM ;)
[16:14:50] <gloops> if the valve enters at an angle, piston comes up - bent
[16:16:00] <sync> only that there are not a lot of engines that have followers anymore
[16:16:21] <sync> as you don't really need them
[16:16:33] <gloops> well some are still designed with clearance - they usually have a rating
[16:17:22] <rmu> 100000km would also be sufficient mileage for leased cars
[16:17:26] <sync> free running engines are also mostly a thing of the past because you want the chamber to be as small as possible with the biggest valve lift
[16:17:34] <sync> no, not really
[16:17:44] <sync> most commercial leases are around 160/180Mm
[16:18:26] <gloops> https://www.honestjohn.co.uk
[16:20:08] <sync> yes, but what's the point?
[16:20:25] <gloops> of buying cam chain instead of belt?
[16:20:41] <sync> you will need to change the chain as well
[16:20:55] <gloops> nah, never known one go
[16:21:04] <sync> it is very common
[16:21:06] <rmu> even a chain wears out
[16:21:12] <gloops> well..not on recent cars lol
[16:21:13] <sync> my bmw needs a new chain
[16:21:23] <rmu> my bike needs a new one every 5000km or so
[16:21:33] <gloops> bikes are slightly different
[16:22:01] <sync> not really, they just run them harder like modern car engines
[16:22:02] <rmu> but only *slightly*
[16:22:14] <sync> and they are smaller for obvious reasons
[16:22:15] <gloops> the drive chain is doing a different job, if its the cam chain youre talking about id be surprised
[16:22:49] <sync> well, most motorcycles have cam chains, one of my bikes also needs a new one...
[16:23:05] <fragalot> gregcnc: that drill is indeed bigger than my shed, which is why it's in someone elses' nearby :)
[16:23:06] <sync> or a new guide, but when I'm in there I'll change everything at once
[16:23:07] <rmu> that bike https://archive.trekbikes.com
[16:23:25] <sync> the fun starts when they put the chain at the gearbox end in cars
[16:23:28] <gloops> even on the old bikes, considering bike engines are usually more highly tuned, the cam chains did a lot of miles, and then many more miles rattling
[16:24:20] <gloops> honda cx 500 was notorius for the cam chain death rattle
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[16:24:36] <fragalot> gloops: the main advantage of a radial drill press is that you can position the spindle after clamping the part down, making it awesome when you're working on heavy stuff
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[16:25:12] <gloops> oh i was using a radial arm drill 30 years ago fragalot
[16:26:02] <fragalot> just figured i'd mention it because you seemed to say something about z height & stuff
[16:26:40] <gloops> i was talking about sticking one of those blue 15w lasers on my router - i think they could be useful for shading lettering in etc
[16:27:07] <fragalot> you just need to get it at the right focal length in Z, that's all
[16:27:14] <fragalot> and do NOT cheap out on laser glasses!
[16:27:43] <gloops> i assumed so, so lets say its optimum height is 50mm, all i need to do is 0 on the job then move up 50mm
[16:28:12] <fragalot> or use a 50mm spacer
[16:28:21] <gloops> yes or that
[16:28:36] <fragalot> that's the more common method for spindle mount laser add-ons
[16:28:49] <fragalot> where the laser can slide up & down
[16:29:04] <gloops> the rig it up as a coolant pump in linuxcnc
[16:29:04] <fragalot> put spacer on, drop laser in place, snug up, done
[16:29:31] <fragalot> you'd want analog control if at all possible
[16:29:52] <gloops> for the power, i was thinking the on/off laser
[16:30:07] <fragalot> spindle enable? :P
[16:30:34] <gloops> hmm maybe, ill have to check the cam for that see what gcode it uses for on/off
[16:30:42] <gloops> spindle control would be easier for me
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[16:50:23] <XXCoder1> Jymmm: yeah kinda jelious lol but no room here even if build shop, land just arent large enough lol
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[17:12:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: WEll, you could live in the mazzaine of the new shop once you tear down the house =)
[17:12:52] <XXCoder1> lol
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[17:33:26] <gloops> https://www.mirror.co.uk
[17:33:40] <gloops> wow, changing a light bulb
[17:36:56] <XXCoder1> random shit can happen. sad though
[17:43:42] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:45:13] <MarcelineVQ> holy balogna, 3 dialogues to say no to just to look at the article :X
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[17:48:28] <gloops> looks like he may have had underlying health problems anyway
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[18:00:21] <sparq> Whenever I feel like cursing my kettle for taking so long to boil, I remind myself of all the times I didn't die because 110VAC is a lot less murder-y.
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[18:03:24] <gloops> a slow kettle is never good for the general smooth running of operations though
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[18:11:45] <MarcelineVQ> but kettle speed is a function of watts <_<
[18:12:29] <SpeedEvil> MarcelineVQ: UK sockets can put out >2* US domestic
[18:12:57] <MarcelineVQ> they sprung for the big copper and the big voltage? nice
[18:12:59] <SpeedEvil> Also, volumematters.
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[18:13:17] <SpeedEvil> If you get a kettle that can safely boil half a cup, it works much faster
[18:15:30] <sparq> Oh, sure. I'd just rather put up with the disadvantages of needing fatter wires to deliver the same power than to have done any of the stupid things I've done with mains power with 220. I would have been dead at the age of 3.
[18:15:56] <syyl> imagine having 3phase 400v in every house.
[18:16:04] <syyl> (almost every)
[18:19:36] <sparq> My great grandfather had 3phase 440 in his shed for his mill, lathe and high output lamps (you used to need really, really bright lights for photography). My mum and I had to map the whole property with an inductive tester before we could demolish and clean it up.
[18:20:10] <syyl> would drive me nuts not to have 3phase
[18:20:11] <syyl> ;)
[18:20:17] <sparq> Also, the shed had about 300 pounds of bees in it.
[18:20:29] <syyl> urgs :D
[18:22:15] <sparq> Also, he didn't want to pay for proper wiring, so he just braided lamp wire together and nailed it to the walls.
[18:22:23] <syyl> yeah, dont do that
[18:22:25] <syyl> :D
[18:22:38] <sparq> Noooooope
[18:24:55] <Rab> Considering he might have grown up with knob and tube wiring, that was probably going the extra mile.
[18:43:30] <Loetmichel> Rab: knob and tube wiring?
[18:43:51] <sparq> Heh. He grew up on the res in the 1910s, so no electricity at all.
[18:44:07] <Loetmichel> you mean blank copper wire wound around porcellain insulators?
[18:44:21] <Loetmichel> and than drawn along the wall?
[18:44:49] <sparq> yup.
[18:45:51] <Rab> Loetmichel, affirmative.
[18:45:58] <pcw_mesa> single wires threaded through the studs/joists, with ceramic tubes in the studs
[18:45:59] <Loetmichel> syyl: why not? i had 3 phase copper wire drawn across the wall above my old electronics desk Was very practical if you needed power: just use a few croco clips :-)
[18:47:49] <Loetmichel> and you only touch them once... the 4 yellow lines on the palm that result in that teach you very quickly that that isnt a good idea
[18:48:00] <Loetmichel> ... not to mention the "slight tingling" ;)
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[19:06:53] <XXCoder1> ohhhh https://www.youtube.com
[19:06:58] <XXCoder1> looks awesome
[19:07:47] <XXCoder1> damn video is unwatchable
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[20:15:25] <sync> it's actually not too bad
[20:15:57] <XXCoder1> its extremely bad for me
[20:16:05] <XXCoder1> way too much handheld camera
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[20:16:14] <XXCoder1> but vise is awesome idea
[20:18:09] <sync> I can't understand why people get seasick from moving cameras
[20:18:15] <sync> it is no different than real life
[20:18:32] <XXCoder1> dont ask me why. ask my brain
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[20:32:55] <roycroft> because the person is not moving with the camera
[20:33:08] <roycroft> which is the same phenomenon one experiences at sea
[20:33:30] <roycroft> and for some, riding in a car
[20:42:04] <XXCoder1> glad im not that sensive to car rides
[20:42:16] <XXCoder1> would be hell of a fun drives if that was case lol
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[21:58:10] <norias> hi
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[22:28:50] <flyback> hi
[22:30:45] <XXCoder1> hi
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[22:54:58] <XXCoder1> new primative tech!
[22:55:38] <XXCoder1> btw if you dont know, turn on captioning.
[23:00:05] <Tom_itx> mmm gettin some weather now...
[23:00:20] <XXCoder1> very heavy flood rain here lol
[23:00:31] <XXCoder1> got soaked just getting retromini from car
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[23:01:59] <Tom_itx> rain turned to snow
[23:02:06] <XXCoder1> aww
[23:03:18] <Tom_itx> slush
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[23:31:26] <XXCoder1> yo yo yo yo
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