#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-01-31
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[00:02:00] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Tesla ahead with electrical and behind on most everything else
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[00:22:13] <flyback> fucking p60 videos
[00:22:17] * flyback punches CaptHindsight
[00:22:50] <flyback> they have to be anal about the maching
[00:23:03] <flyback> any containmination due to poor seals etc = battery boom
[00:23:23] <flyback> any unsmooth parts thst cause long term abraising from vibration = boom
[00:24:07] <flyback> lithium cells are sadist cunts
[00:24:17] <flyback> the drool at the thought of deeping biting your ass checks
[00:26:19] <flyback> there's like 0 margin for error
[00:26:26] <flyback> and when they get it to that level
[00:26:32] <flyback> they tear up everything and start over
[00:29:04] <flyback> I understand the need to do that for cars cause of best power to weight
[00:29:17] <flyback> but for some of my projects I am only going to use lithium phosphate
[00:29:22] <flyback> only 80% of a ion cell
[00:29:27] <flyback> but 100000x less bullshit factor
[00:29:33] <flyback> and longer predicted service life
[00:32:54] <flyback> did you see that fiskas dealership that went up
[00:33:06] <flyback> after the one rain storm that caused floods
[00:34:32] <flyback> https://jalopnik.com
[00:34:59] <MarcelineVQ> that's really rough
[00:35:10] <MarcelineVQ> living in storm spots must be a real hassle
[00:35:18] <MarcelineVQ> to say the least
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[00:36:28] <flyback> did you see the pics
[00:36:33] <flyback> nothing left
[00:36:37] <flyback> not even a frame really
[00:36:40] <flyback> batteries went up
[00:36:45] <flyback> burned underwater
[00:37:50] <flyback> that story says otherwise but I heard the batteries did burn
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[00:47:04] <CaptHindsight> if only there was some way to stop corruption
[00:47:51] <ve7it> more ammunition
[00:49:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[00:49:33] <CaptHindsight> gyro precession
[00:52:16] <CaptHindsight> why we should be using flywheels to fly planes
[00:57:55] <SpeedEvil> Are tehre any other alloys with sodium that approach structural usability?
[00:58:04] <SpeedEvil> Clearly not so great in air.
[00:59:53] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org - neat
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[01:01:15] <SpeedEvil> Cold-press beryllium and aluminium powder, then extrude
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[01:03:36] <flyback> eww
[01:03:41] <flyback> beryllium
[01:04:28] <SpeedEvil> Alas, aliexpress does not have berylium powder
[01:04:54] <flyback> uh cause it's toxic as fuck
[01:04:55] <flyback> that's why
[01:05:00] <CaptHindsight> Metal-doped sodium aluminium hydrides as potential new hydrogen storage materials
[01:05:09] <flyback> asbestus part II
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[01:07:43] <fragalot> hi
[01:07:54] <CaptHindsight> sodium-potassium alloys
[01:08:45] <CaptHindsight> https://www.americanelements.com
[01:09:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.espimetals.com
[01:10:29] <CaptHindsight> https://www.alibaba.com
[01:11:21] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: I'll be happy to perform any alibaba searches for you :p
[01:11:48] <fragalot> lol
[01:13:54] <CaptHindsight> some papers on sodium lead alloys about as well
[01:16:25] <CaptHindsight> https://books.google.com
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[01:21:22] <SpeedEvil> Odd, that diddn't work.
[01:22:34] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yeah - I've been idly wondering about that for battery use
[01:22:42] <SpeedEvil> low performance, but quite cheap and very available
[01:22:45] <SpeedEvil> liquid phase
[01:23:53] <CaptHindsight> lots of papers on liquid phase for batteries
[01:28:20] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com nice professor, he actually explains things in several different ways
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[02:51:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: how long till we see this at ikea? https://www.youtube.com
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[02:52:49] <Deejay> moin
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[02:58:53] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Russian Epoxy very strong
[03:00:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.imdb.com close encounters look so dated
[03:00:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: cutting and deburring russian alum tubing... nuts
[03:00:27] <CaptHindsight> haven't seen it in years
[03:00:49] <CaptHindsight> no really crazy about the denim
[03:01:09] <CaptHindsight> the pieces of aluminum are interesting
[03:01:09] <Jymmm> I have close encoutners on dvd =)
[03:01:25] <CaptHindsight> I was just flipping through the channels
[03:01:40] <CaptHindsight> it's the cloud scene where they land
[03:01:51] <Jymmm> 7.7 rating from 164K pl =)
[03:01:56] <Jymmm> people*
[03:03:03] <CaptHindsight> Spielberg
[03:04:05] <Jymmm> geeze, search 'star wars' on imdb
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[03:37:57] <sensille> Loetmichel: my first go at 2.5D: https://i.imgur.com
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[03:46:21] <Loetmichel> sensille: niice
[03:46:51] <Loetmichel> but thats 3d. 2.5d would be if it only has a few discrete "steps"
[03:46:59] <Loetmichel> not a smooth curve
[03:47:27] <sensille> oh. i thought 2.5d is everything i could do with that machine
[03:48:04] <sensille> 3d would need 4 or 5 axis
[03:48:48] <sensille> it took 3 hours
[03:50:26] <Loetmichel> hmm, anybody has a 3dfile for printing for a Mailbox lock replacement? Some "joker" thought if funny to pur half a bottle CA glue into our paper towel dispenser lock... A simple handle/knob instead of the key would be sufficient... -> http://www.cyrom.org
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[04:12:12] <sensille> i used a ball end mill for that. the problem is that i have to go one radius into the spoil board
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[05:37:13] <jthornton> morning
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[05:38:08] <Wolf__> morning
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[05:44:41] <XXCoder> morning
[05:45:22] <jthornton> 17°F and the chickens got up at 3:57AM this morning
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[05:47:23] <Loetmichel> grumpf. mini lathe dead. an aluminium chip found its way onto the speed controller... bridged 230Vac onto the5V dc for the controller... new board: 99eur. new machine: 300 eur... maan, how can that be that the controller is open to the enviroment when it sits in the chassis below the machine? -> https://www.sieg-machines.de
[05:47:55] <XXCoder> geez. maybe thats excuse to make it linuxcnc cnc lathe
[05:48:34] <CNC_Brian> Chicago weather has made it to the news in the UK
[05:49:55] <XXCoder> fun
[05:49:56] <Wolf__> 5°F here in the DC area
[05:50:29] <Wolf__> and I woke up to the boiler in shutdown mode…
[05:50:52] <XXCoder> 33f here
[05:51:10] <XXCoder> wow! monday temperate crashes
[05:51:26] <XXCoder> and sleet on sunday, and monday snow, first snow for the year
[05:51:48] <XXCoder> it mkight be cold enough that its not "snow dont like floor" type snow
[05:51:48] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i doubt it would be worth it. maybe get a new slightly bigger lathe on company money... considering that machine is my private one that sat in the company for the last 2 years ;)
[05:51:57] <CNC_Brian> That board dosnt look very complicated
[05:52:01] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:52:11] <XXCoder> whats your plan with now junk lathe
[05:52:11] <CNC_Brian> Probably get away with replacing the semi conductor devices.
[05:52:29] <XXCoder> your site has certification issues
[05:52:40] <XXCoder> oh not your site
[05:52:47] <Loetmichel> CNC_Brian: it has a microcontroller on it. i doubt the manufacturer would send you the code ;)
[05:53:02] <XXCoder> wonder if microcontroller is fine
[05:53:14] <CNC_Brian> Ah cant see that from the pic
[05:54:01] <Loetmichel> its dead
[05:54:10] <Loetmichel> all semiconductors on that board are 0 ohm
[05:54:14] <Loetmichel> already checked
[05:54:16] <CNC_Brian> Also it may have killed anything attached
[05:54:17] <XXCoder> dang
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[05:57:09] <Wolf__> …you might be a tech geek (and lazy) when you break out a flir camera to check to see if the baseboard heat has come back on yet
[05:57:39] <XXCoder> lol
[05:59:13] <Wolf__> wow window curtain is reading a 3.1°C spot on it where the air is leaking in lol
[05:59:26] <CNC_Brian> Do you know what functions the board performs? Maybe get external motor controller, etc.
[06:01:42] <rmu> it looks like it could be some sort of phase angle speed controller
[06:09:03] <CNC_Brian> I removed the limit switch on my power feed as it was in the way of a clamp. Blew up something similar.
[06:10:11] <CNC_Brian> Replaced it with a KBIC-240
[06:20:40] <Tom_L> 16F Hi 45
[06:21:51] <XXCoder> Tom_L: it will actually get cold here next monday lol
[06:21:53] <XXCoder> 22f
[06:21:56] <Loetmichel> CNC_Brian: its just a speed controller for a 230V DC motor. with additional lock for Estop, guard closed and overcurrent. not that big a deal
[06:22:01] <XXCoder> 44f right now tho
[06:22:38] <Loetmichel> but if i can get my boss to buy the slightly bigger version for me because it being "dead" i would be glad. its sitting at the company for two years now and is my private one ;)
[06:23:06] <CNC_Brian> Hass Mini Mill ??
[06:23:19] <CNC_Brian> $30000 +
[06:23:32] <Loetmichel> thats a few zeroes to much ;)
[06:23:41] <XXCoder> 4 too many? ;)
[06:24:05] <Loetmichel> i thought something like this: https://www.ebay.de
[06:24:11] <Loetmichel> 2 to many
[06:30:51] <syyl> i still try to figure out how to shoehorn a haas minimill in my shop, CNC_Brian ;)
[06:32:08] <Wolf__> surprised that you haven’t build a mini minimill
[06:32:17] <syyl> haha
[06:32:53] <XXCoder> need to mill mini mill parts and finish build so can repeat it at smaller size for mini minimill ;)
[06:33:23] <Wolf__> like 1:4 scale copy of a VMC lol
[06:33:46] <syyl> there is that guy who build a small scale fadal vmc
[06:34:08] <CNC_Brian> I would get a pre-owned larger machine if you use it daily or even weekly on work stuff
[06:34:27] <Wolf__> really one of the hard parts you already have, that spindle you have on your router table lol
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[06:37:11] <Wolf__> got my lathe back together last night so now I can finally do some things I have been wanting to work on https://i.imgur.com
[06:37:37] <Wolf__> next big task is to tackle the motor swap on my mill…
[06:40:03] <Wolf__> I’m liking the VFD setup, rotary switch gives me 60hz, manual frequency knob and 30hz and 10hz jog button
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[06:54:01] <CaptHindsight> CNC_Brian: only -24F now, was watching it on the BBC UK feed earlier
[06:54:30] <CaptHindsight> don't think we'll break the record of -27F
[06:54:35] <CNC_Brian> Get your short on :-)
[06:55:25] <CaptHindsight> it's not too bad out of the wind, in the wind it feels like a belt sander to the face
[06:57:20] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks seems to be in the center of it, -40F -40C
[06:57:56] <XXCoder> heh he can make instant snow using boiling water
[06:59:06] <SpeedEvil> Such fun that.
[06:59:10] <SpeedEvil> Especially all the fail videos.
[06:59:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.wunderground.com
[07:02:44] <XXCoder> surpised that works, Wu was closed down
[07:02:57] <XXCoder> same time its their own site nm
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[07:51:00] <XXCoder> interesting! jthornton check it out https://www.youtube.com
[07:55:42] <jthornton> cool
[07:56:59] <XXCoder> chart shows pretty good jump in airflow.
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[07:57:31] <gregcnc> that's been around a long time now
[07:57:33] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: smoothing inside of manifolds by pressing goo with grinding compound thru?
[07:57:57] <XXCoder> loet with huge pressure apparently yeah greg apparently knows about it
[07:58:17] <XXCoder> gregcnc: not surpised, theres always something i dont know about :)
[07:58:19] <gregcnc> I didn't know but the process was patented in 1970
[07:58:20] <Loetmichel> its old hat
[07:58:27] <Loetmichel> but interesting nontheless
[07:59:20] <gregcnc> I don't know much about it, some engine guys say the smoothness is detrimental to performance and still prefer hand grinding
[07:59:51] <gregcnc> but to keep a stock manifold like that, not many options
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[08:01:14] <Jymmm> Even shows test data
[08:02:07] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: back in the "golf 1 tuning" days we did that with a flex shaft and some flapper wheels
[08:02:18] <Loetmichel> and LOTS of elbow grease
[08:03:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: ...and beer
[08:03:16] <Loetmichel> https://www.amazon.de <- these things
[08:03:21] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: indeed ;)
[08:03:48] <XXCoder> and pizza and friends
[08:03:50] <gregcnc> yeah, I read a lot about engines, but don't play with cars
[08:06:03] <gregcnc> they had to set the railroad tracks on fire in Chicago it's so cold
[08:06:42] <gregcnc> it's news now, but they use it anytime it's below freezing
[08:06:46] <Jymmm> I just abuse cars... the speedo says 140 MPH and 8000 RPM, if it wasn't meant to do that all the time, they shouldn't put that!
[08:07:30] <XXCoder> greg i forgot where but they ran transit 24 hours because it keeps tracks clear so people can keep moving
[08:07:38] <XXCoder> normally close for few hours
[08:08:24] <Jymmm> It was -50 yesterday in canada, a friend turned on their defrost and cracked the windshield.
[08:08:40] <gregcnc> hmm
[08:09:02] <XXCoder> ouch
[08:09:10] <Loetmichel> Jymmm:my car says 150mph and the red starts at 5500rpm... still after less than 5 min of 142mph it starts overheating ;)
[08:09:18] <gregcnc> I saw a russian YT where they poured boiling water on a windshield expecting it to break and it didn't
[08:09:31] <XXCoder> jymm theres recipe to make defrost glass lemme see if can find
[08:09:41] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: car windshields are pretensioned
[08:09:45] <Loetmichel> and laminated
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[08:09:52] <Loetmichel> they dont break easy
[08:10:32] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: overheating? Nah, that's just "warming up" ;)
[08:10:59] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com found
[08:11:01] <gregcnc> i know, interweb is full of the boiliing water on windshield joke assuming it will crack though...
[08:11:22] <Jymmm> gregcnc: it potentially could
[08:11:23] <XXCoder> uses rubbing alchol and water. not hot water
[08:11:30] <XXCoder> it lowers melt temperate a lot
[08:11:35] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: Opel bought the 2.5l diesel from BMW... didnt have the room to fit a sufficient radiator though
[08:11:46] <Loetmichel> so it overheats at full throttle in summer
[08:11:54] <Loetmichel> after a few minutes
[08:12:01] <gregcnc> oops
[08:12:01] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: toss 3 or 4 on the roof
[08:12:15] <gregcnc> the window juice in the car is already methanol
[08:12:37] <gregcnc> is IPA that much better?
[08:12:46] <XXCoder> good question
[08:12:58] <XXCoder> maybe it pushes melt temperate that much more?
[08:14:27] <gregcnc> dam winduhs updates are bricking a box. I thought it was trying to install W10 but now I have no idea.
[08:14:27] <XXCoder> pure ethanol freezes at -173 degree, methanol -143
[08:14:47] <XXCoder> windblows updates
[08:14:52] <gregcnc> vodka
[08:15:25] <XXCoder> rubbing alchol -128f
[08:16:17] <gregcnc> so denatured alcohol would be better
[08:16:26] <XXCoder> looks like
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[08:16:33] <Loetmichel> depends
[08:16:45] <Loetmichel> maybe rubbing alcohol is better at diluting water?
[08:17:00] <Loetmichel> so ripping the ice crystals up?
[08:17:35] <Jymmm> ...and rubber and plastics too
[08:18:04] <XXCoder> thats also possible
[08:18:14] <XXCoder> well time to go bed laters
[08:18:30] <Loetmichel> it definetly is less volatile and evaporates more slowly
[08:18:38] <Loetmichel> so thats a plus for IPA
[08:18:44] <Loetmichel> against ethanol
[08:19:22] <gregcnc> anyone tried those wiper blade knives? I see them advertised lately, and was something I wanted to try years ago
[08:19:48] <Loetmichel> whats that?
[08:20:11] <gregcnc> but methanol/water mixtures actually do much better
[08:20:32] <gregcnc> as far as freezing point
[08:21:50] <gregcnc> ecocut-pro.de
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[09:31:28] <PL7icnc> Good DAY All
[09:31:33] <PL7icnc> Sunny Here
[09:31:55] <PL7icnc> Loetmichel, Sind Sie Hier ?
[09:32:11] <Loetmichel> sure
[09:34:38] <PL7icnc> Loetmichel, Ich War bei der familie von Herrn Sammel
[09:35:14] <PL7icnc> Man Hat mir eine Maschine Mitgegeben und den Hauptrechner
[09:35:33] <PL7icnc> ist garnichtmal so weit weg
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[09:35:52] <MacGalempsy> yo
[09:35:57] <PL7icnc> Ich hab den Man auch sicherlich schonmal Getroffen am See
[09:36:12] <PL7icnc> Hi MacGalempsy
[09:36:43] <PL7icnc> I Will Upload all the Videos if Checked from the Former ichGucksLive
[09:37:09] <Loetmichel> nice
[09:37:35] <PL7icnc> https://www.youtube.com
[09:37:57] <MacGalempsy> changing your nick, or forget that password?
[09:38:27] <PL7icnc> i checked Out more then 500 Videos but very old Hardy Linuxcnc 2.2.5 or so
[09:39:12] <PL7icnc> MacGalempsy, No Sir the Ich.. has Pased to HeAVEN
[09:39:17] <PL7icnc> RIP
[09:40:12] <MacGalempsy> oh, sorry to hear that. condolences
[09:45:58] <PL7icnc> i dident visite hos grave so Far
[09:46:33] <PL7icnc> Does someone Here Know as he have seen the 4th axis mashine he Build runnning
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[09:59:44] <PL7icnc> im off
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[10:46:29] <Loetmichel> hihi, who said it a while ago that a CNC mill cant be used "mobile"? i just found a picture that proves otherwise.. ;) -> http://www.cyrom.org
[10:50:28] <TekniQue> lol wtf
[10:51:32] <Loetmichel> company needed a few prototypes... so i packed my selfbuilt CNC into the trunk... ;)
[10:51:42] <Loetmichel> i just was to lazy to get it out ;)
[10:51:47] <Loetmichel> as it was summer...
[10:52:32] <rmu> on-demand on-site machining
[10:54:39] <Loetmichel> yes
[10:54:59] <gregcnc> for your regular wage?
[10:55:04] <Loetmichel> yes
[10:55:16] <gregcnc> that needed a contract
[10:55:31] <Loetmichel> took me the better part of three years to convince the boss to buy that first CNC 6040...
[10:55:45] <Loetmichel> because my private CNC started to wear out ;)
[10:57:02] <Loetmichel> he DID let me "refurbish" it on company time with company paid parts though
[10:57:08] <Loetmichel> my own one
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[11:18:44] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: It's a cute little machine. Your work machine is a gantry machine, right?
[11:19:01] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: a CNC 6040, correct
[11:20:08] <FinboySlick> Are those home-made dovetails on this one?
[11:20:20] <Loetmichel> nope
[11:20:33] <Loetmichel> 20mm round steel with ball bearings running on them
[11:20:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
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[11:21:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[11:21:39] <Loetmichel> see=
[11:21:41] <Loetmichel> ?
[11:22:59] <FinboySlick> http://www.cyrom.org That's a sprocket/gear from fischertechnik, no?
[11:23:38] <FinboySlick> Oh I loved my fischertechnik sets as a kid. I had the compressor trailer and a snow dozer.
[11:24:16] <Loetmichel> yes it is
[11:25:26] <Loetmichel> its nice for testing stuff to have a gear/sproket and chain that has clip on links
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[12:45:54] <fragalot> 'sup
[12:47:25] <ziper> hi
[12:47:39] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com
[12:47:41] <ziper> I think my rails are slightly not parallel
[12:47:47] <fragalot> everyone needs this practical device in their homes
[12:48:00] <ziper> so that as the gantry traverses the axis they twist and dig in
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[13:43:55] <FinboySlick> fragalot: He's completely mad doing that in the UK. Who's taking bets on how long before he gets in trouble for fat-shaming?
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[13:45:19] <fragalot> lol
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[13:47:45] <FinboySlick> fragalot: It's the little details. Notice how he actually drilled the carrot to put it on a string?
[13:48:48] <fragalot> he's known for putting biscuits into his lathe to make them fit in his mug
[13:50:20] <FinboySlick> You gotta envy him for being able to make a living out of goofing off in the shop.
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[13:55:25] <fragalot> brilliant.
[13:55:46] <fragalot> we had an energy shortage here in belgium for winter, with a lot of prep being made with emergency cut-off plans & stuff
[13:56:01] <fragalot> so naturally what we've started doing, is exporting 1GW to the UK this week
[13:56:56] <FinboySlick> Probably the EU trying to get as much cash out of the UK while they can ;)
[13:57:10] <fragalot> :D
[13:57:30] <FinboySlick> "See? You can't leave, else you'll run out of power.
[14:00:16] <gloops> probably because its twice the selling price in the UK, Belgium can buy some from Poland now
[14:01:10] <gloops> i see Italy is now in recession, Italy France and Germany in recession, UK leaving in 2 months
[14:05:02] <fragalot> we can buy from .NL, .DE and .FR
[14:05:08] <FinboySlick> gloops: The EU's super-efficient management will get all of that sorted out by next week, I'm sure.
[14:05:23] <fragalot> but the other month in the news they said that even if we maxed out that capacity, we still needed 750MW to supply internal demands
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[14:05:52] <fragalot> but I guess they must have finally fixed at least one of the nuclear plants recently
[14:06:31] <gloops> FinboySlick yes its like a well oiled machine
[14:07:37] <gloops> hows the wind situation in Belgium?
[14:07:54] <fragalot> http://www.meteo.be
[14:09:53] <gloops> i mean, is it windy enough to generate meaningful amount of energy, we seem to be putting a lot into wind
[14:11:08] <fragalot> wind has been negligible today
[14:11:13] <fragalot> http://www.elia.be
[14:11:16] <gloops> wind still less than 5% in belgium
[14:11:51] <gloops> mainly gas and nuclear - and oil
[14:12:00] <fragalot> it was 655MW at midnight, but it's down to almost nothing now
[14:12:13] <fragalot> yeah
[14:12:26] <fragalot> the gas plants are the reserve, the neglected nuclear are the baseline
[14:12:45] <fragalot> we have 7 plants, only 1 was online for most of winter
[14:13:37] <fragalot> polticians have made it a priority to shut them down for the past 30 years now without offering alternatives
[14:13:52] <fragalot> and a french company bought them a few decades ago too
[14:14:10] <fragalot> but since they were going to have shut down several times now... they haven't really invested in them properly
[14:14:10] <FinboySlick> Now that last bit is the real catastrophe ;)
[14:14:18] <fragalot> FinboySlick: it was :-)
[14:14:26] <gloops> oil is at over 40% not sure if that includes vehicles though
[14:14:37] <gloops> dont think so
[14:14:59] <fragalot> gloops: the elia site is electrical power only
[14:15:17] <fragalot> liquid fuel for power is nearly non-existant, apart from backup gennies
[14:15:30] <gloops> https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:16:05] <fragalot> gloops: http://www.elia.be
[14:16:13] <fragalot> liquid fuel: 1.48%
[14:16:19] <FinboySlick> Is wind really that beneficial though? What we have here seems very expensive in terms of maintenance.
[14:16:33] <fragalot> FinboySlick: it's kept alive with government subsidies here
[14:16:45] <gloops> wiki figures must include vehicles then
[14:16:49] <fragalot> even though I believe it doesn't ACTUALLY need it
[14:16:54] <FinboySlick> Yeah, but that can't be economically viable long-term.
[14:17:07] <fragalot> and a lot of the maintenance required is done "because it generates subsidy revenue"
[14:18:00] <FinboySlick> We manufacture a lot of impellers here. I'm pretty sure some of them end up in europe.
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[14:46:32] <CaptHindsight> anyone here work with the closed source config tools for Linux like Ansible?
[14:46:40] <CaptHindsight> or similar
[14:51:18] <FinboySlick> Wish I could help but haven't. Is that like cPanel?
[14:54:33] * Jymmm kinda wants one (sorta)... https://www.aliexpress.com
[14:55:16] <fragalot> Jymmm: to put on the chickens?
[14:55:45] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: yes, only closed source
[14:56:06] <Jymmm> fragalot: No chickens, but there are wild peacocks
[14:56:08] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: I only know of the web guys here using cPanel
[14:56:26] <CaptHindsight> I can't imagine how they can be stable unless tied to some very exact version of some linux distro
[14:56:32] <Jymmm> fragalot: JT is chicken guy
[14:56:48] <fragalot> you both start with a J.
[14:57:03] <fragalot> how am I supposed to know the difference
[14:57:04] <fragalot> :D
[14:58:24] <Jymmm> fragalot: you have 1 in 26 chance =)
[14:58:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[15:03:04] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: as far as I'm aware, cPanel is pretty tied to CentOS.
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[15:08:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: find out why people use those tools, the closed source versions
[15:09:37] <FinboySlick> I think there are two parts to that: People who want a bunch of pre-made recipes for system management and people who think tools are better when you pay for them.
[15:10:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah, pay to complain to
[15:10:48] <CaptHindsight> the 2nd group seems to need a crutch to use Linux
[15:10:58] <CaptHindsight> and want somebody else to fix their issues
[15:11:18] <FinboySlick> Well, given the brainpower of our web team, I assure you that the $20/mo they pay for cPanel is absolutely necessary.
[15:11:56] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[15:12:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Same reason ppl use M$
[15:12:51] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: funny, they seem to be M$ users that use Linux in some way
[15:13:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[15:14:03] <gregcnc> what are you going to turn gloops?
[15:15:02] <gregcnc> why does it take 10x as long for winduhs to undo an update as it does to crash it?
[15:15:13] <gregcnc> maybe 100x
[15:15:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: been coming across "business" people that claim to be looking for Linux admin help, but thats really not what they are looking for
[15:16:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: then what are they looking for?
[15:16:24] <CaptHindsight> Linux unicorns
[15:16:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ...and $11.50/hr, part time, 6 hours a week, and on call?
[15:17:06] <FinboySlick> That's typically what happens. Microsoft people who believe "Linux is better" but have no idea what that really means.
[15:17:21] <CaptHindsight> their M$ staff can't figure out how to make Linux work with all those closed source tools they have been buying
[15:17:30] <Jymmm> heh
[15:17:36] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: bingo
[15:17:54] <CaptHindsight> tastes better and less filling
[15:18:05] <FinboySlick> There's a hint of sympathy though. When you come from an MS world, it's very hard to wrap your head around the notion that the best, most expensive 'solution' doesn't serve you better.
[15:18:06] <Jymmm> Thye only buy what they feel they know and can support
[15:18:53] <CaptHindsight> they don't even know what questions to ask
[15:19:05] <Jymmm> Eh, sometimes.
[15:19:07] <FinboySlick> We bought a windows-only shop last year... It's still hard for me to fathom the hoops they jump through to perform their day to day tasks.
[15:20:09] <CaptHindsight> these co's seem to be voip, website, and other online services that I haven't made out yet
[15:20:18] * fragalot moves an image in FinboySlick's word document
[15:20:47] <gregcnc> that's just wrong
[15:20:54] <Jymmm> I know nothing about AS400, but have to support connectivity. IBM's client solutaion was something like $200 per user/per year. I did some reasearch and found a simpler to use/install/maintian solution for $400 site license =)
[15:21:55] <FinboySlick> Management is trying to improve the situation and comes to me for answers. It's hard for me to explain that these guys don't really know how to sysadmin. They have a catalog of pre-made solutions and they do their best to cram whatever problem they have into one of those boxes.
[15:22:19] <CaptHindsight> yeah thats what they appear to be doing
[15:22:31] <fragalot> FinboySlick: fileserver down? better dump it all into sharepoint sites
[15:23:02] <FinboySlick> fragalot: You hit it surprisingly close to the mark.
[15:23:02] <CaptHindsight> no wonder they can't find a Linux admin after 4 months of searching
[15:23:13] <Jymmm> oh gawd... sharepoint
[15:23:30] <CaptHindsight> how they think
[15:23:34] <fragalot> Jymmm: it's only mildly buggy
[15:23:39] <CaptHindsight> but they are all IT wizards
[15:23:57] <Jymmm> fragalot: Yeah? you think so? just try to LINK a share with someone =)
[15:24:01] <CaptHindsight> why things are so broken
[15:24:12] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Again, it's a matter of perspective. Compared to their users and their typical contemporary, they are.
[15:24:12] <fragalot> Jymmm: bet it's just as easy as changing the site icon
[15:24:34] <fragalot> Jymmm: or adding a row to a table
[15:24:37] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: sprinkle on some arrogance and they are IT gods
[15:25:01] <Jymmm> fragalot: It's much easier to just install linux =)
[15:25:26] <FinboySlick> The two windows admin that we acquired with the company aren't that bad, but you definitely summed up the .NET programmer that came along.
[15:25:31] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: they don't support that solution
[15:25:39] <fragalot> Jymmm: except "linux" doesn't fix the problem by itself
[15:25:52] <Jymmm> fragalot: yes, it actually does =)
[15:26:08] <FinboySlick> The guy who came to me asking why everybody told him that leaving an MS-SQL port open to the wide internet is a bad idea... And then argued with me when I answered.
[15:26:10] <fragalot> granted, it opens access to actually stable tools, but just putting a debian livecd into your server isn't going to fix it :P
[15:26:26] <fragalot> you still need to install at least wordpress >.>
[15:26:27] * fragalot runs
[15:27:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com made the mistake of listening to this before bed
[15:28:33] <Vq> fragalot: Why don't you open up telnet with an empty root passwd right away? That's really handy.
[15:29:08] <fragalot> Vq: because IT blocks all non-http protocols
[15:29:09] <Vq> or rsh...
[15:29:09] <fragalot> including https
[15:29:45] <CaptHindsight> ssh open by default on new installs
[15:30:07] <Jymmm> ssh isnt even insallted
[15:30:36] <CaptHindsight> Scientific Linux
[15:30:57] <CaptHindsight> it's like a shared Linux for nosey sys admins
[15:31:08] <Vq> fragalot: ok, wordpress might be the way to go then as long as you remember to run it as root.
[15:31:18] <FinboySlick> ssh being open by default isn't necessarily bad so long as it isn't started with a stupid config. Defaults are pretty sane.
[15:31:39] <CaptHindsight> password = password
[15:33:14] <CaptHindsight> Automation Engineer most likely is now a software admin position with no mechanical systems involved
[15:33:15] <fragalot> hunter12
[15:33:34] <CaptHindsight> I like how "business" people hijack terms
[15:35:51] <fragalot> IoT!
[15:36:06] <fragalot> and blockhains
[15:36:10] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:36:15] <CaptHindsight> AI
[15:36:21] <CaptHindsight> machine learning
[15:36:30] <fragalot> 3D printing
[15:36:51] <fragalot> no need to machine things, just hit print and it comes out better
[15:37:02] <CaptHindsight> more better
[15:39:21] <CaptHindsight> we were working with a defense contractor to port RTAI to a certain distro
[15:39:56] <CaptHindsight> not sure if any of them there understood how Linux works
[15:40:33] <CaptHindsight> I don't know how they actually make their products work
[15:42:10] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: oh well we fell just short of the record low
[15:42:32] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: did you guys break your all time low record?
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[15:49:50] <gregcnc> some relief this weekend
[15:50:39] <CaptHindsight> will be nice to outside again without the feeling of a belt sander to the face
[15:51:24] <gregcnc> yeah i have to check if the hobbytown is still open
[15:51:49] <CaptHindsight> I passed it yesterday
[15:51:53] <gregcnc> they're going out of business
[15:52:03] <CaptHindsight> didn't look that close
[15:52:22] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: https://i.imgur.com
[15:52:29] <CaptHindsight> hoffman estates is next close
[15:52:41] <gregcnc> right
[15:52:52] <CaptHindsight> hah
[15:53:09] <FinboySlick> fragalot: Turning boiling water into snow gone wrong?
[15:53:28] <fragalot> FinboySlick: That is indeed what that staged clip implies
[15:53:50] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't freeze that fast anyway
[15:53:54] <CaptHindsight> fun
[15:53:58] <gregcnc> even without sound you can tell how fake it was
[15:54:27] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Actually, it's surprisingly fast but it probably has to be better conditions.
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[16:11:42] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com plausible
[16:15:28] <fragalot> https://i.imgur.com it's hair gel
[16:17:25] <CaptHindsight> are there any automation tools for writing ladder logic?
[16:17:38] <CaptHindsight> it's already abstract
[16:18:43] <FinboySlick> fragalot: Not in the (fictional) case you linked.
[16:20:21] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: define automation tools?
[16:20:31] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be MarcelineVQ to difficult a task for a current Bot with PLC
[16:20:39] <CaptHindsight> to/too
[16:20:44] <fragalot> do you want to automate the ladder part, or a tool to enter the ladder logic into?
[16:20:51] <CaptHindsight> yes
[16:21:07] <fragalot> You're worse than your customers >.>
[16:21:16] <CaptHindsight> I want to be even more abstract
[16:21:41] <CaptHindsight> just the idea of what i want to do, then have the AI figure the rest
[16:22:05] <fragalot> what's this "training" you speak of,
[16:22:37] <CaptHindsight> VHDL for PLC's
[16:23:09] <CaptHindsight> with Python for "flexible" part of the programs
[16:23:25] * fragalot is actually doing that last part on his microcontroller platforms
[16:23:32] <fragalot> ItWorks (tm)
[16:23:48] <fragalot> and it stops the engineers bugging me for firmware updates for inane add-ons
[16:25:27] <CaptHindsight> never like ladder myself
[16:25:51] <fragalot> ladder was acceptable back when PLC's were basically programmable relays
[16:25:54] <CaptHindsight> especially when it came to shift registers and counters
[16:26:06] <CaptHindsight> count 51246
[16:26:12] <CaptHindsight> thanks
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[16:26:25] <CaptHindsight> yeah for simple stuff
[16:26:52] <fragalot> "please make a sinusoidal move, synchronized with this other axis"
[16:26:58] <fragalot> try doing that in ladder
[16:27:00] <CaptHindsight> not for complex state machines with multiple conditional inputs
[16:27:13] <fragalot> yeah..
[16:27:16] <CaptHindsight> I see attempts at it
[16:27:21] <fragalot> i've been there & done that on a low budget PLC
[16:27:29] <fragalot> it CAN be done, but by god it is awful to do
[16:27:47] <CaptHindsight> i got somebody so angry about 10 years ago that they flagged Linuxcnc on wikipedia for removal
[16:27:58] <fragalot> lol
[16:28:22] <CaptHindsight> they were a contractor for ITW programming a coiling machine or similar, was for wire
[16:28:42] <fragalot> i've even programmed conditional state machines on little HMI's using their built-in macro languages
[16:28:55] <CaptHindsight> the manager called me in to fix so I mentioned LCNC with some python and a few days....
[16:29:33] <fragalot> my office wall looked like this: https://proxy.duckduckgo.com
[16:29:51] <XXCoder> lol
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[16:31:08] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: is it me, or is everything in that audi video incredibly slow?
[16:31:30] <CaptHindsight> maybe it was slow to shoot the how it's made
[16:31:59] <CaptHindsight> I like the stitching
[16:32:16] <CaptHindsight> they all seem to copy Teslas motor design
[16:32:27] <fragalot> tesla did a proper job & released the patents
[16:32:30] <fragalot> why wouldn't they copy it
[16:32:44] <fragalot> its the one thing Tesla got right :P
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[16:32:55] <CaptHindsight> is that why
[16:33:23] <CaptHindsight> saw another video of how goofy the Tesla chassis are
[16:33:41] <fragalot> goofy chassis, panel gaps, moisture issues,..
[16:33:41] <CaptHindsight> so tesla hired decent EE's but not ME's
[16:34:04] <fragalot> reliability issues, especially with the door locks
[16:34:25] <fragalot> and condensation in the lights
[16:34:25] <CaptHindsight> ask a few older auto maker engineers to come over and review
[16:34:31] <CaptHindsight> would have saved them millions
[16:34:57] <fragalot> but that is not the silicon valley way
[16:35:01] <CaptHindsight> "hey you can't be critical of what i designed"
[16:35:07] <fragalot> you need to look forward, not at history
[16:35:11] <CaptHindsight> hah
[16:35:22] <CaptHindsight> kids leading the kids
[16:36:24] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: have you ever looked into the stories of people that bought a 2nd hand car from Tesla?
[16:36:43] <CaptHindsight> haven't followed much of it at all
[16:36:53] <fragalot> you can request pictures, but never get any
[16:37:02] <fragalot> put down a downpayment of whatever amount it was
[16:37:13] <fragalot> have to send insurance papers over etc
[16:37:15] <XXCoder> and get volkwagon bettkle
[16:37:22] <fragalot> they sometimes deliver the car within a few months
[16:37:27] <fragalot> but the title can take up to a year
[16:38:11] <XXCoder> geez
[16:38:23] <fragalot> sometimes you get to talk to the same person twice
[16:38:50] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com
[16:38:53] <fragalot> little video series
[16:41:29] <CaptHindsight> there a video of a tesla refurbisher on motherboard
[16:42:01] <CaptHindsight> sop they opened up the motor patent and then fight to keep people from fixing their own tesla
[16:42:17] <CaptHindsight> they really sound crazy
[16:42:42] <fragalot> yup :-)
[16:42:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[16:42:59] <CaptHindsight> Rogue Tesla Mechanic Resurrecting Salvaged Cars
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[16:43:26] <fragalot> that's the same guy, Rich rebuilds
[16:43:46] <CaptHindsight> Right to repair
[16:44:09] <XXCoder> we need such law in usa
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[16:50:28] <CaptHindsight> was watching the tractor vids
[16:50:59] <Deejay> gn8
[16:52:02] <CaptHindsight> what they need is an open source ECU and computer to swap out the factory crap
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[16:52:28] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: deere tractors?
[16:52:31] <CaptHindsight> but if the sensors have built in encryption and networking that might be more trouble than its worth
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[16:52:34] <rmu> there should be a law against factory crap
[16:52:36] <XXCoder> one with crazy licensing stuff
[16:52:37] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: yes
[16:52:38] <rmu> and crap factories
[16:53:07] <XXCoder> rmu: right to repair law. look it up, and try vote it in
[16:53:37] <XXCoder> it includes everything like phones that cant be opened to washers that have very expensive yet cheap to make parts
[16:53:38] <rmu> i'm on the wrong side on the pong, but if it comes up in europe, i will support it
[16:53:43] <rmu> s/pong/pond/
[16:53:51] <XXCoder> its going in europe faster than in usa
[16:54:01] <CaptHindsight> it's part of the DRM stuff that they all passed 15-20 years ago
[16:54:21] <XXCoder> yeah boy did they abuse digitial millenium laws
[16:54:53] <CaptHindsight> as paranoid as RMS is he's been right about much of this
[16:55:20] <CaptHindsight> in fact he underestimated how sneaky people might be in practice
[16:55:25] <CaptHindsight> hence the GPL3
[16:55:35] <rmu> i don't think the philosophy of the GNU project is paranoid
[16:56:39] <CaptHindsight> didn't mean the clinical definition
[16:57:05] <CaptHindsight> just his obsessive qualities about it
[16:57:10] <rmu> without GNU there would exist some BSD variants as niche things for research and OS nerds, and we would be stuck with mainly proprietary stuff
[16:59:13] <rmu> i think RMS tried to make the philosophy logically consistent (at least internally), and like with c++, one thing leads to the next, and then you get the mess with GPL2, GPL3, AGPL, LGPLx and the GFDLs
[17:00:01] <CaptHindsight> pay per listen by each ear, pay per view per eye, pay per ride per butt
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[17:00:48] <CaptHindsight> and make it law
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[17:05:22] <rmu> maybe in 100 years people like RMS will have become something like the amish people, completely refusing to use proprietary software, drm and hardware requiring binary blobs, and therefore subjecting themselves to a more or less segregated life
[17:05:48] <roycroft> hopefully in 100 years peope like rms will all be dead
[17:05:55] <roycroft> lord knows he smells like he's dead already :)
[17:06:08] <XXCoder> y0pu met rms in person?
[17:06:14] <XXCoder> *you
[17:06:15] <roycroft> actually, i haven't
[17:06:19] <roycroft> but i know several who have
[17:06:37] <roycroft> including a woman who dated him for a while
[17:06:48] <roycroft> and i had to make sure to always be upwind of her
[17:07:22] <Jymmm> Where can I get lipo packs from?
[17:07:33] <roycroft> your butt?
[17:07:46] <rmu> i met him and there was no smell problem. but AFAIK rms refuses to shower. in a sense, he is a "truely impossible human being"(tm) ;)
[17:07:47] <Jymmm> depleted, need replacements
[17:07:49] <CaptHindsight> brain wired for attention to certain details, personal hygiene not included
[17:08:19] <Jymmm> I am serious though, can't find them
[17:08:30] <CaptHindsight> lipo packs?
[17:09:01] <CaptHindsight> LiPo batteries?
[17:09:08] <Jymmm> like this https://cdn.sparkfun.com
[17:09:19] <CaptHindsight> liposome
[17:09:27] <Jymmm> I need to replace some 8v ones
[17:09:37] <CaptHindsight> HobbyKing
[17:09:40] <CaptHindsight> China
[17:09:46] <CaptHindsight> aliababababa
[17:09:54] <XXCoder> aliexpress
[17:10:22] <CaptHindsight> or do you need a store you walk into, ask a salesperson and trade in paper currency?
[17:10:57] <roycroft> if i knew i'd have given you a real answer, jymmm
[17:11:19] <Jymmm> ordering is fine, hobbyking all has connectors on them
[17:11:26] <Jymmm> https://hobbyking.com
[17:11:30] <roycroft> but since i didn't i was flippant
[17:11:44] <Jymmm> I just need the raw packs
[17:12:34] <CaptHindsight> i used to find them on aliababababa
[17:12:51] <CaptHindsight> no idea who stocks them in the USA
[17:13:06] <CaptHindsight> if you have a spec i try to search for at minimum charge
[17:13:25] <Jymmm> oh gawd, HK is being SO slow today =(
[17:13:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.all-battery.com
[17:13:48] <Jymmm> slow boat is fine, just question aliexpress capacity
[17:14:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.all-battery.com
[17:14:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.all-battery.com
[17:14:59] <CaptHindsight> LiPo 7.4V 6000mAh Rechargeable Battery Pack (2S2P, 44.4Wh, 5A, Bare Leads)
[17:15:13] <Jymmm> $55 ?!
[17:15:36] <Jymmm> I barely paid $24 for the while devicce and it has two of those
[17:15:41] <Jymmm> whole*
[17:15:57] <CaptHindsight> https://www.dhgate.com
[17:16:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: you ever order from dhgate?
[17:16:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.batteryspace.com
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[17:17:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.batteryspace.com
[17:18:36] <CaptHindsight> how manys amps hours?
[17:18:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: those all have connecotors on them
[17:18:48] <CaptHindsight> have wire cutters?
[17:19:20] <Jymmm> It usually means they have extra casing on them as well, I have a size limitation
[17:19:23] <CaptHindsight> https://www.batteryspace.com
[17:19:44] <CaptHindsight> raw cells quit your bally aching and do some finger searchin
[17:20:01] <CaptHindsight> jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzussss
[17:20:14] <Jymmm> Not necessarily "raw" but link I linked to
[17:20:38] <CaptHindsight> just fyi 2 x 3.7 = 7.4
[17:22:10] <Jymmm> I"m disassembling now...
[17:25:34] <`Wolf_> having a idea of size/mah would help on the suggestion process lol
[17:26:08] <`Wolf_> and the current needed
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[17:27:25] <CaptHindsight> nah
[17:28:07] <CaptHindsight> just needs a bag of fresh electrons
[17:30:21] <`Wolf_> https://hobbyking.com bag of electrons, trim to size needed right? =D
[17:31:12] <Jymmm> `Wolf_: right... https://www.youtube.com
[17:31:28] <Jymmm> hmmm, this things has six flat packs
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[17:32:11] <`Wolf_> meh 18650, lipos blow up better
[17:33:18] <`Wolf_> what is said “thing”
[17:34:23] <`Wolf_> I have rc stuff that runs 3s 2p, 4s 2p, 4s 4p…
[17:34:52] <Jymmm> `Wolf_: explain the S and p to me please? is that serial parallel?
[17:34:57] <`Wolf_> yep
[17:35:48] <`Wolf_> 3 series 2 parallel, 2200mah packs works good for jumping my vw diesel lol
[17:35:49] <Jymmm> so 3s2p is three in series (7.2v) and teo of those in parellel to double the mAH ?
[17:36:25] <`Wolf_> 3s would be 11.1-12+
[17:36:39] <Jymmm> err, yeah,
[17:37:13] <`Wolf_> 4.2v per cell hot, depeted 3ish, happy 3.7v
[17:37:36] <CaptHindsight> 8.4
[17:38:21] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the cells 18650 are all standard sizes
[17:39:02] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: lithium polymers don't have the standard mechanical specs so you can find them in all sorts of shapes
[17:39:50] <`Wolf_> and 18650 are li-ion or IMR or other mix
[17:40:17] <cradek>
[17:41:53] <`Wolf_> lipoly do bad things when you over discharge them as well, I have a few puffed up packs here
[17:43:02] <CaptHindsight> mostly due to poor mechanical design
[17:43:08] <Jymmm> https://i.imgur.com
[17:43:16] <CaptHindsight> sometimes poor chemistry
[17:43:17] <Jymmm> six total
[17:43:57] <`Wolf_> lipoly or li-ion packs…
[17:44:10] <`Wolf_> they both come in foil pack like that
[17:44:46] <Jymmm> I dont know, it's actually a well made product and they glued the packs together lol
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[17:45:07] <Jymmm> ...and I cant get to the label =)
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[17:45:38] <`Wolf_> power bank?
[17:46:17] <Jymmm> Kinda, for 16/19V laptop power pack
[17:47:16] <Jymmm> you just plug it inbetween the laptop and the wall adapter
[17:48:28] <ve7it> Jymmm, https://www.ebay.ca
[17:49:13] <`Wolf_> best bet is to measure the cell size and go from there
[17:49:51] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is that the inside of one of those portable batteries?
[17:50:12] <ve7it> keyword to search for is 603450 that is a physical size 6(H)*34(W)*50(L) mm
[17:50:15] <CaptHindsight> I used to carry them on long plane trips
[17:50:44] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: yes
[17:51:12] <CaptHindsight> i wonder if mine still work
[17:51:34] <Jymmm> 57mm x 1200 x 5mm
[17:52:04] <`Wolf_> you can sort packs on hobbyking by size
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[18:01:09] <CaptHindsight> lets make our own batteries
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[18:11:32] <rmu> https://www.youtube.com
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[18:18:09] <Jymmm> `Wolf_: doesnt go up to 1200mm sadly, only 49
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[18:46:38] <SpeedEvil> https://imgur.com Why proper safety equipment matters.
[18:52:44] <MarcelineVQ> dang son, bet he wears a helmet when he's stocking anything these days
[18:54:44] <ziper> or a pack of beer
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