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[01:21:33] <MacGalempsy> well gave it hell on the scanner, but it is time to call it a night...
[01:21:40] <MacGalempsy> to be continued...
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[05:31:00] <jthornton> morning
[06:51:02] <miss0r> Mornin
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[06:51:16] <XXCoder> morn
[06:51:23] <miss0r> Can any of you guys recommend a fleabay special dividing head for light milling?
[06:51:56] <miss0r> syyl: You might just be the one I've been looking for: I've decided to make some replacement parts for my good'ol landrover :)
[06:52:03] <syyl> lol :D
[06:52:07] <miss0r> but I need to make a setup to cut splines :)
[06:52:29] <XXCoder> missor dunno basic google shows bunch at sub 100 to 300 bucks with various abilities
[06:52:29] <miss0r> and with no dividing head, I don't think I have alot of options; or do you have a great idea? :)
[06:52:45] <syyl> get a dividing head? ;)
[06:52:47] <XXCoder> cheap one https://www.grizzly.com
[06:52:53] <Wolf__> cheap rotary table + stepper and arduino
[06:52:55] <miss0r> XXCoder: Indeed; that is why I was hoping for some prefrences from in here
[06:53:17] <syyl> they are for grinding, XXCoder
[06:53:23] <miss0r> Wolf__: hehe.. you DO realize I want to use this to mill steel in it, right?
[06:53:30] <miss0r> :D
[06:53:30] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:53:34] <syyl> the lock etc are not realy well suited for milling
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[06:53:57] <miss0r> syyl: That is the same conclusion I got at looking at most of the cheap ones
[06:53:59] <syyl> vertex rotary table and dividing plate setup
[06:54:03] <syyl> and all will be fine
[06:54:04] <syyl> :)
[06:54:15] <syyl> if you dont have to make 25
[06:54:25] <miss0r> I only want to make 10 :D
[06:54:33] <miss0r> (for starters) :D
[06:54:38] <Wolf__> going cut splines with a hob?
[06:54:55] <XXCoder> is it evenly dividable in 4 or 6?
[06:55:05] <miss0r> Without the proper machine for it, I don't see that going my way :)
[06:55:12] <XXCoder> theres collet holders thats in box or hex that you can use to mill stuff
[06:55:24] <miss0r> XXCoder: To be perfectly honnest, I have not counted them yet :D
[06:55:26] <XXCoder> but only for 4 or 6 sided stuff
[06:55:41] <XXCoder> (well or divisions of such like 2 and 3)
[06:56:27] <Wolf__> I need to set my rotary table up to make some HTD 5m pulleys…
[06:56:33] <miss0r> it seems theres 46 splines on this 23mm shaft
[06:56:51] <XXCoder> yeah slightly too many points for basic tool I menioned
[06:56:53] <miss0r> (i'll need to do a recount before actualy doing any math :D )
[06:57:23] <miss0r> syyl: You wouldn't happen to have a fleabay link for the vertex head you are referring to?
[06:57:50] <miss0r> syyl: Also; it makes me sad that you only have an old dividing head.. Let me order you one fresh off of ebay, and you can send me yours :D
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[07:02:31] <miss0r> This one looks somewhat decent: https://www.ebay.co.uk
[07:02:56] <XXCoder> interesting looking
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[07:04:51] <Wolf__> I’ve played with my dividing plate set once, and I’m not sure if I ever want to attempt to make something using it lol
[07:05:58] <miss0r> I have a rotary table for the mill. But it is not the kind that can be set at an upright angle.
[07:06:18] <miss0r> so I don't ever use it. Making large round stuff I just let the mill interpolate it instead
[07:06:40] <Wolf__> yeah that sucks, the one I got w/ my stuff is flat mount only as well
[07:07:20] <miss0r> but that being said, it is nice and big. I think it has an OD of 400mm
[07:07:31] <miss0r> (OD of the moveable table)
[07:07:34] <miss0r> it is heavy as well :)
[07:08:08] <Wolf__> my one cnc mill has too much backlash in the lead screws and is too flexy to make anything that needs tolerances lol
[07:08:25] <XXCoder> cant add anti-bacllash?
[07:08:42] <XXCoder> lead screws for 3d printers have special antibacklash nuts
[07:08:56] <miss0r> hehe.. round tolerences? hehe I would never use interpolations to do a bearing fit anyway :)
[07:09:11] <Wolf__> yeah, toss the crap lead screws and install ball screws
[07:09:31] <Wolf__> but that wont help the column flex
[07:09:52] <Wolf__> yeah, I tried bearing fit once
[07:10:16] <miss0r> Well.. Even with "no baclkash" theres always backlash. Doing bearing fits using interpolation is not a good idea :)
[07:10:20] <miss0r> No matter your setup
[07:10:40] <miss0r> well, perhaps new multi million dollar cnc centers can do that to tolerence.
[07:10:47] <Wolf__> bearing went in, because I used a high force hydraulic press, broke the bearing lol
[07:10:51] <XXCoder> Wolf__: is your cnc machine using chinese bearing balls?
[07:11:11] <XXCoder> might be worthwhile to setup bearing ball size sorter and sort out too small and large ones
[07:11:31] <Wolf__> its a X1 micro mill, the 6” vice on my jet mill weighs more then the X1
[07:12:12] <miss0r> not too much beef in that then
[07:12:50] <miss0r> I run an old Deckel maho. Huge lumb of iron.. But I do have some wear in the ballscrews. I have a replacement lined up for the Y-axis, and I've reballed the X-axis
[07:13:01] <Wolf__> I paid $250-300 for it w/ everything to run it, was ok to learn on =)
[07:13:07] <miss0r> Indeed
[07:14:26] <miss0r> anyway. I better get back into the house, so the misses does not kill me :) see you around
[07:14:53] <XXCoder> later
[07:14:55] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[07:14:58] <Wolf__> =D
[07:15:00] <XXCoder> umm misses? as in more than one
[07:15:11] <XXCoder> many misses
[07:15:31] <XXCoder> Wolf__: lol kinda reminds me of the afrotech mill one
[07:15:41] <XXCoder> only yours is all commerical basically
[07:16:56] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com the extended X1 (actually X2 x/y base) sitting on the Jet lol
[07:18:11] <Wolf__> oh, anyone happen to know wtf a superspacer is useful for?
[07:18:48] <syyl_> a superspacer has the option for direct indexing
[07:19:06] <syyl_> you can do indexing via wormdrive/indexing disc
[07:19:19] <syyl_> of direct indexing of 36
[07:19:20] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com disk only
[07:21:06] <Wolf__> I have yet to figure out a case that it would be handy to use lol
[07:21:27] <XXCoder> its fanastic dust collectpr
[07:22:07] <Wolf__> yeah, that it is doing, right next to the 5c spindexer
[07:24:20] <Wolf__> I did pull the buck chuck off of it and drilled/tapped the phase 2 rotary table so I can mount it up easy
[07:25:46] <Wolf__> still need to turn a round centering plate to stick on the table tho
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[07:29:20] <Wolf__> syyl_: suggestion to look at for the arduino rotary divider controller https://www.ebay.com
[07:29:53] <XXCoder> ya tony in youtube did that I think
[07:29:57] <XXCoder> or was it myfordboy
[07:30:28] <Wolf__> I looked it up after seeing the one click spring was using
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[07:32:45] <Wolf__> have had the project sitting on the bench for over 6mo, was hung up on how to mount the stepper to the rotary until some smart guy showed off a simple block with a hole in it to clamp fit to the thing
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[07:38:49] <Wolf__> except my luck, I have no aluminum stock on hand the right size so I cant make said mounting block so of course I’ll probably have to make some multi part pain in the ass
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[09:29:18] <PL7icnc> Hi
[09:32:44] <PL7icnc> Not that many Action Here
[09:38:45] <PL7icnc> is BigJohn Here
[09:41:35] <PL7icnc> or andy... from the Forum
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[09:42:44] <PL7icnc> Good Day fragalot
[09:42:51] <fragalot> Hello PL7icnc
[09:43:47] <PL7icnc> I did read back lots of logs on IchG... PC and Your name is lots of times on it
[09:44:11] <PL7icnc> fragalot, a did start to upload his tutorials
[09:44:40] <PL7icnc> with his Familie Permission actuly i recived his main PC and a Testmashine
[09:45:43] <PL7icnc> jepler If you read this Why did the Forum Stop on Anouncment bevor the Release of 2.7.14
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[11:26:36] <Jymmm> "Suitable Age... 6-9 months" https://www.dx.com
[11:44:48] <CaptHindsight> https://southbend.craigslist.org
[11:45:05] <CaptHindsight> Lagun 8x18 CNC lathe - $2000
[11:45:21] <Tom_L> would be nice to have Ich's tutorials back
[11:45:50] <CaptHindsight> <PL7icnc> fragalot, a did start to upload his tutorials
[11:46:12] <CaptHindsight> he logged in and out pretty quick
[11:46:22] <CaptHindsight> like he has dial up
[11:47:12] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I want it
[11:48:35] <Tom_L> i was driving around the other day and saw a Tree cnc siting outside the back of a shop that looked like it was on the way out
[11:50:13] <tiwake> how much would a big manual vertical lathe run?
[11:50:35] <tiwake> the turn table is something like 60" across
[11:50:53] <tiwake> old german machine, hardly used
[11:51:12] <Tom_L> $1.23 / lb
[11:51:19] <tiwake> heh
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[12:35:30] <Jymmm> This is kinda cool actually... It's a ESP32 "dev board"... https://www.aliexpress.com
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[13:42:25] <fragalot> gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk
[13:44:02] <gloops> lol, have they robbed a woodwork shop or something?
[13:44:31] <gloops> they are worth buying, even if only to put back on ebay BIN £4 each
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[13:56:34] <_unreal_> well it finally happend..... a USB to CF adapter I have used like once...... I now need and I dont know if I have it or not any more
[14:03:34] <gloops> _unreal_ you know this is the hobby that always makes less than it costs
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[14:08:09] <_unreal_> ? I dont know how that is relevant to the fact that I have a computer that needs a special type of CF card reader so I can format the card... and cnc work are related
[14:09:20] <gloops> sounds like youll be buying another adapter anyway
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[14:19:22] <_unreal_> maybe...... I have a tower computer with a bootable CF adapter.... just dont want to dig the damn thing out
[14:19:39] <_unreal_> all I need to do is make the CF harddrive bootable to dos...
[14:19:50] <_unreal_> this is for a NON linuxcnc project
[14:20:08] <_unreal_> 18 year old internet computer thing..... finally hacking
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[15:33:39] <Wolf__> miss0r: https://sites.google.com
[15:34:25] <XXCoder> nice. temp one to make better one
[15:36:58] <Wolf__> yeah, and touched up code for the driver as well
[15:40:31] <XXCoder> locking tabs interesting
[15:42:54] <Wolf__> dawned on me that I was over thinking the mount for my rotary
[15:44:49] <gloops> that one does look slightly insubstantial for milling steel?
[15:45:29] <XXCoder> gloops: its temp one to make better one
[15:45:43] <XXCoder> at end he makes 2 gears i guess will be used for it
[15:46:06] <gloops> ahh right
[15:46:26] <XXCoder> 4th axis kickstarter ;)
[15:46:45] <Wolf__> I was more interested in the coding
[15:48:33] <CaptHindsight> most of the maker stuff are toys vs machines
[15:48:50] <CaptHindsight> under the guise of new is better
[15:49:42] <Wolf__> most of the ones that post/blog/whatever are more software vs hardware guys imo
[15:49:57] <CaptHindsight> how come you never hear "hey I made this and I know it's crap, can someone help me make a real one"
[15:51:33] * Wolf__ knows this build is crap https://i.imgur.com but I know whats needed to fix it as well
[15:52:14] <Wolf__> runs ok at <100ipm lol
[15:53:38] <XXCoder> capt honestly it depends. i know reprap design as I call it, is crap but i use it anyway. some people think its good design because they arent machinists
[15:53:53] <XXCoder> i hate how they deal with coordite design
[15:54:45] <XXCoder> they done use g54 etc, they just use machine coord, and slicer places object.
[15:55:13] <gloops> chain drive would speed the plasma cutter up
[15:55:23] <XXCoder> why cant I just set ibject coord to zero and place it at whatever i want on bed
[15:55:33] <Wolf__> yeah, would whip less for sure lol
[15:55:45] <XXCoder> want other place? re-slice it with hopefully same settings and export gcode again
[15:55:59] <Wolf__> because non-machinists wrote the code
[15:56:07] <XXCoder> yep
[15:56:22] <XXCoder> having part coord would solve one bad problem with all printers
[15:56:43] <XXCoder> you have to adjust noozle to be just above bed right where it hits switch and triggers limit.
[15:56:48] <XXCoder> yeah.
[15:57:03] <Wolf__> I use a bed probe =P
[15:57:33] <XXCoder> thats just a workaround to bad machine design
[15:57:34] <Wolf__> I’m planning to build another i3V type printer tho
[15:59:33] <Wolf__> but no floating bed this time, I think i’m going to bolt a 12”x12” heat bed down to alum plate w/ kaowool board insulator spacer
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[16:01:40] <Wolf__> unless someone has a better suggestion of something to use as a thermal insulator/break that is rigid and flat-ish
[16:02:25] <Wolf__> > fail https://i.imgur.com
[16:03:01] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: I like it. You can keep an eye on your work while relaxing.
[16:03:36] <XXCoder> high end bed.
[16:04:03] <XXCoder> Wolf__: make sure bed is adjustable though
[16:04:07] <XXCoder> 3 point adjustable
[16:04:23] <XXCoder> and if possible, nothing above the surface itself
[16:04:40] <Wolf__> nope, well if needed I’ll shim the wheel positions
[16:04:55] <XXCoder> even better if you get one of those new spring steel covers thats easily held in place by magnets in under bed
[16:04:57] <Wolf__> flexible PCB cant be leveled
[16:05:27] <Wolf__> I have that problem right now
[16:05:46] <XXCoder> you can remove bed and bend it to remove prints once its cool and doesnt pop off automatically. recent 3d print invention apparently
[16:06:13] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: flex as in polyester film? or just warped FR$ G10 etc
[16:06:21] <CaptHindsight> FR4
[16:06:39] <Wolf__> I started using magigoo, my prints pop off soon as the bed cools
[16:06:51] <Wolf__> warped FR4
[16:07:29] <Wolf__> or it flexes to match the window glass imperfections
[16:08:05] <XXCoder> oh yes! something you can add since youre also a machinist: dial indictor bed leveler
[16:08:16] <XXCoder> makes it heck of a lot easier
[16:08:33] <Wolf__> naa I want a build it once and dont have to fuck with it setup
[16:09:04] <Wolf__> I guess I could always get thicker glass and surface grind it w/ diamond wheel lol
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[16:10:30] <CaptHindsight> shrinky dinks
[16:10:37] <XXCoder> ground glass lol
[16:11:07] <XXCoder> you can fuse glass to make really chunky thick glass using telescope homebrew techinque
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[16:11:26] <XXCoder> then ground it on both sides. very flat
[16:11:44] <Wolf__> or just lap it on a surface plate
[16:12:00] <XXCoder> http://www.mdpub.com
[16:12:11] <CaptHindsight> are you guys talking about making a flat heater bed for FDM?
[16:12:14] <XXCoder> you can fuse cheap glass into inch thick sheet lol
[16:12:18] <Wolf__> yeah lol
[16:12:47] <tiwake> I'm welding up a set of garage doors right now
[16:12:57] <Wolf__> too thick bed surface is a pain in the ass for FDM
[16:13:02] <CaptHindsight> I'll have some of what you are having
[16:13:25] <XXCoder> wolf yep! lol though you will NEVER have warping issues
[16:13:50] <XXCoder> and I suppose you could use heated enclosure, heat controlled by pid to not need a heated bed
[16:14:02] <Wolf__> only warping issues I have is abs pulling off the bed
[16:14:22] <Wolf__> because my machine isnt inclosed
[16:14:35] <Wolf__> enclosed even
[16:14:36] <XXCoder> abs pulls as soon as you look at it wrong
[16:14:37] <CaptHindsight> enclose it
[16:15:04] <XXCoder> you should read that site though, its interesting process
[16:15:20] <XXCoder> even if not planning to make glass for printer
[16:16:43] <Wolf__> thats part of the idea for the new build, pretty much mod a I3v design to be inside a box frame so I can enclose it easy
[16:17:08] <Wolf__> and larger ridged frame
[16:17:17] <CaptHindsight> 40F and clouds
[16:17:28] <CaptHindsight> time to get out and enjoy the heat
[16:17:55] <CaptHindsight> 65F degrees cooler less than 48 hours ago
[16:18:14] <Wolf__> 37F here
[16:18:55] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com interesting
[16:19:01] <Wolf__> last tuesday daytime temp 10F, next tueday 59 lol
[16:19:33] <XXCoder> nice and warm at 47f but tomorrow sleet and next day snow for first time
[16:19:58] <tiwake> 68f here right now
[16:33:50] <Wolf__> wish it was that warm out here, then I would be out in the driveway installing the new battery in my car
[16:38:10] <gloops> 0C here
[16:38:40] <gloops> february can be the worst month
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[16:57:31] <XXCoder> Wolf__: ever milled glass?
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[17:02:52] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:07:43] <Wolf__> no, I haven’t milled glass
[17:08:00] <XXCoder> lol ok. i was thinking on how to do it evenually
[17:08:18] <XXCoder> not a big cutting just engraving in most case
[17:09:10] <Wolf__> vinyl mask cut out, then sandblast it
[17:09:19] <Wolf__> or co2 laser :P
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[17:11:21] <XXCoder> i suppose lol
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[17:18:06] <gloops> hmm, found a neat trick in blender, it exports a vector image of 3d models
[17:18:32] <gloops> http://goinkscape.com like the car at the bottom
[17:19:49] <XXCoder> nice
[17:19:57] <XXCoder> with that you can make engraving detail stuff
[17:20:06] <gloops> yeah i thought that
[17:20:10] <XXCoder> just make model, position it just so, then export 2d vector
[17:20:33] <gloops> probably lots of apps do it but i just came accross it
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[17:22:46] <XXCoder> too bad i dont know blend
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[18:33:42] <Vitran> I have a lathe and it is using GmoccaPY and it needs to have a Y listed as an axis. I need to make the machine think it is homed all the time
[18:34:40] <Vitran> Without the Y axis, the machine says it cannot figure out what this 'w' axis is, the tailstock
[18:34:52] <Vitran> and does not load Gmoccapy
[18:35:36] <Vitran> So I am looking at options. I have an axis listed in the ini that is [AXIS_1] and under Home_Sequence = -1
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[18:37:57] <Vitran> This is what I get if I don't have the COORDINATES = X Y Z W https://i.imgur.com
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[19:10:00] <jthornton> a negative home sequence means to home two axes with the same number as a gantry
[19:13:44] <Vitran> From this, it said leave it blank or have it as -1 https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[19:14:11] <Vitran> I just did a test with NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1 and that works, but I don't like using that
[19:14:54] <Vitran> Is there a way to "setp halui.joint.1.is-homed TRUE"?
[19:15:01] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[19:15:31] <jthornton> read the docs about home search vel
[19:15:46] <jthornton> are you using master or 2.7?
[19:16:16] <Vitran> 2.7
[19:16:19] <Vitran> afik
[19:16:40] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[19:17:13] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[19:17:23] <jthornton> see the chart for homing type immediate
[19:17:38] <Vitran> My core goal here is to make the machine think the axis Y is homed, an axis that doesn't exist
[19:17:49] <jthornton> why?
[19:19:20] <Vitran> I have a lathe with a servo driven tailstock
[19:19:26] <Vitran> I have axis XZW
[19:19:52] <Vitran> In order to launch GMOCCAPY, it requires a axis Y or it states that it cannot figure out what the W is
[19:20:09] <Vitran> I get this error https://i.imgur.com
[19:20:19] <jthornton> oh that's a issue with gmoccooppy not linuxcnc
[19:20:30] * jthornton hugs QtPyVCP again
[19:21:03] <Vitran> After a lot of fighting, I found that. In lathe mode it will not let me go to MDI mode unless the Y axis is homed
[19:21:18] <jthornton> that's not very nice
[19:21:29] <Vitran> so I am trying to make the machine believe the fake Y axis is homed
[19:21:32] <CaptHindsight> Vitran: I'd ask on the forums
[19:21:58] <jthornton> well create the axis and do as it says in the manual
[19:25:36] <Vitran> I have been reading those for a bit now. I also know that this is kinda a wierd hack trying to make a fake Y axis and making it homed. I did read from Andy that there was a way to make a single axis not require homing, but as he put it, it would take some coding
[19:25:52] <Vitran> On some older forum posts
[19:26:25] <CaptHindsight> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[19:26:56] <CaptHindsight> Gmoccapy is the most popular topic
[19:27:11] <Vitran> It is a nicer interface
[19:27:13] <jthornton> or problematic
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[19:55:50] <Tom_L> evening...
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[20:15:46] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: lowest I saw was -27
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[20:18:57] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: some of the weather stations in that area went way lower, not sure if they are considered accurate
[20:19:32] <CaptHindsight> near 50F tomorrow, near 70F delta
[20:19:34] <gregcnc> ant bites on the lathe?
[20:20:02] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: just scammers, like every ad on CL
[20:20:26] <CaptHindsight> as soon as it goes live you get a scam text in broken english
[20:20:28] <gregcnc> yeah
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[20:25:06] <MacGalempsy> good evening
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[20:27:21] <CaptHindsight> I have question about it . How long time did use it and what reasons do you want to sell? reply my questions answer here :: danielparker905@gmail.com
[20:27:44] <MacGalempsy> ok. just spent some time scanning
[20:27:46] <MacGalempsy> https://www.thingiverse.com
[20:27:50] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: they want to get your real email address as well
[20:28:06] <MacGalempsy> you might need to download the obj or stl to see it
[20:28:14] <CaptHindsight> It is looking good. I want to get it. Text me to tinaconnor4568@gmail.com ,If it is still available.
[20:28:27] <MacGalempsy> time for a food reward...
[20:28:33] <gregcnc> oh I haven't listed on CL in a while
[20:28:44] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: it shows up here just fine
[20:29:46] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: at least they are polite, after 10pm and before 9am they text scam you asking if it OK to call
[20:30:03] <gregcnc> hah
[20:30:25] <CaptHindsight> Hi.wanna buy your " blah blah blah" Can i call now?
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[20:31:05] <CaptHindsight> I ask them to send a pic of the cash with the serial numbers showing
[20:31:26] <gregcnc> lol
[20:31:27] <CaptHindsight> freaks them out
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[20:32:59] <CaptHindsight> had one ask ".are you real seller?"
[20:33:20] <gregcnc> honestly I don't know how CL survives
[20:33:24] <CaptHindsight> I answered that I am a physical being and do they have real money
[20:33:44] <CaptHindsight> after a few days the scammmers stop
[20:34:00] <CaptHindsight> they seem to prey on new listings only
[20:34:40] <CaptHindsight> answering in broken English is also fun
[20:35:04] <CaptHindsight> do you send monies for "xxxx" how much monies you gots for it?
[20:35:23] <CaptHindsight> I like money
[20:37:08] <CaptHindsight> https://southbend.craigslist.org only $2k
[20:37:09] <MarcelineVQ> "do you moneygram?"
[20:37:16] <CaptHindsight> nice retrofit project
[20:38:05] <CaptHindsight> sned monies with western onion, then I send you lathe with emails
[20:38:24] <CaptHindsight> no scam you, thnks
[20:39:02] <Rab> Wow, that Lagun is a clean piece of hardware for its age.
[20:39:24] <MarcelineVQ> western onion :>
[20:40:08] <Rab> How would you move something like that? Is it all self-contained on a frame, or does stuff have to come off?
[20:40:25] <CaptHindsight> I have a 5ton forklift
[20:40:54] <CaptHindsight> lift, put skates under, pull, push to trailer
[20:41:22] <CaptHindsight> tilt bed pickups go to 20K lbs around here
[20:41:57] <CaptHindsight> my forklift is 16.5k lbs so I need 2 trucks for the return trip
[20:42:19] <Rab> Looks sexy in the crashing surf: http://img.directindustry.es
[20:42:35] <CaptHindsight> or a tractor trailer with ramps, dock etc
[20:42:43] <MarcelineVQ> the first time I saw a tilt bed truck was a memorable day, nothing especially interesting occured, it's just memorable in that it was something new
[20:43:51] <CaptHindsight> 300 mi round trip for me
[20:44:20] <Rab> Ohio Division of Vocational Education asset tag.
[20:44:42] <CaptHindsight> but located in Indiana
[20:44:56] <CaptHindsight> probably a school machine
[20:45:05] <CaptHindsight> I'd probably get it
[20:45:06] <Rab> So maybe some abuse, but not a lot of production.
[20:45:10] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[20:45:43] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org
[20:45:52] <CaptHindsight> no obvous crashes
[20:45:58] <CaptHindsight> obvious
[20:49:20] <CaptHindsight> https://chicago.craigslist.org
[20:49:27] <CaptHindsight> $4k for this tuny Emco
[20:49:32] <CaptHindsight> tiny
[20:50:32] <gregcnc> this is too much too, unless you really need two projects https://chicago.craigslist.org
[20:51:35] <CaptHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org what is this?
[20:52:33] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: depends on what is missing from the parts machine
[20:53:06] <CaptHindsight> controls go anyway but if it been robbed of motors it's usually not worth much
[20:53:07] <Rab> The ultralight educational stuff is always grossly overvalued. E.g. tiny mill with anodized aluminum ways in a cabinet for $$$$.
[20:55:17] <CaptHindsight> everybody keeping busy?
[20:55:44] <CaptHindsight> jan was practically dead
[20:55:53] <Rab> CaptHindsight, some kind of hydraulic drawing (as in pulling) machine?
[20:56:19] <gregcnc> tube bender
[20:56:27] <CaptHindsight> https://chicago.craigslist.org maybe in this list
[20:56:43] <CaptHindsight> pines tube benders
[21:03:34] <XXCoder> wonder if its going under salkes
[21:05:06] <gregcnc> Those tiny Emco 50 and 55 machines are just expenvise, the are properly designed and cast iron made in Austria. New price is >20kUSD
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[21:49:18] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[21:49:22] <XXCoder> he has interesting machine
[21:49:51] <XXCoder> can do flat like router, has area like lathe/mill, and of course he has drop down area so he has "unlimited" part length for edge milling
[22:12:51] <`Wolf_> kinda neat
[22:18:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:19:15] <`Wolf_> my cnc table has no table part
[22:22:52] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:22:55] <XXCoder> so just frames eh
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[22:41:20] <`Wolf_> yeah just frame
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[22:41:48] <`Wolf_> plasma thing is lighter then the plates of steel being cut
[22:43:22] <XXCoder> lol
[22:43:55] <`Wolf_> machine is maybe 50lbs, 1/2” plate is over 600 iirc
[22:45:22] <`Wolf_> 653.4lbs lol
[22:45:50] <`Wolf_> 3/4” plate is 980…
[22:47:26] <`Wolf_> also the reason I dont care that max speed is under 100ipm lol
[22:48:55] <XXCoder> lol yeah machines according to users not other way
[22:49:55] <ziper> XXCoder, do you know, can I cut carbon fiber plate with a regular router bit?
[22:50:37] <XXCoder> lol good question, probably will abuse tool pretty heavily
[22:50:42] <XXCoder> and rough cut
[22:51:05] <`Wolf_> carbide bur but
[22:51:07] <`Wolf_> burr
[22:51:19] <XXCoder> carbide burr butt
[22:51:23] <XXCoder> corrected
[22:51:25] <ziper> the problem is I want to do an inlay
[22:51:51] <ziper> so the bit has to be the same diameter as the little collar thing that goes on the router
[22:52:09] <`Wolf_> use burr to rough then fluted to finish pass
[22:52:42] <`Wolf_> you can usually get smaller collets for the router
[22:52:50] <`Wolf_> if not reduction bushing
[22:55:55] <ziper> I don't think that would work but I don't have a good enough understanding of the process to articulate why
[22:56:20] <ziper> maybe I shouldnt bother recessing the letters, just make them out of a single ply and bond them to the wood
[22:57:02] <XXCoder> sometimes best way is just try and learn. though cf sheets is expensive to learn on..
[22:57:26] <ziper> i've got some scrap laying around and I don't mind laminating them myself
[22:58:08] <XXCoder> nice. yeah can play around and see what works.
[22:58:08] <ziper> i'm sure proper billet is pricy
[23:02:03] <ziper> i'm making a trophy for a boat race, and the boats are CF, so I figure there has to be at least one CF part on it, even if the wood looks better IMO
[23:02:22] <XXCoder> :) nice
[23:02:40] <XXCoder> crf letters or background?
[23:04:03] <ziper> here's the mock-up. if the letters don't work I could simplify the radius on the base and laminate that. or the model hull. or make a carbon sail https://i.imgur.com
[23:05:12] <XXCoder> theres other inlay method that can make sharp inside corners
[23:05:17] <XXCoder> its bit tricky though
[23:06:07] <ziper> how's it work
[23:06:12] <XXCoder> basically it rises as it does corners but inlay inverse have to be correct size so it fits inside. lemme find video
[23:06:39] <ziper> I wasn't really impressed with the typeface of the typical letter templates
[23:07:13] <ziper> I have this router handbook. it has some sections on freehand lettering that looks absolutely wicked but I don't know if I up to that
[23:07:58] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[23:08:01] <ziper> oh, heres an idea. make the voids for the letters, bond the CF in the female mold, and then route the whole thing flat again, taking off the extra carbon around the edges
[23:08:36] <XXCoder> youre not using cnc router?
[23:08:45] <ziper> nope, lol
[23:08:54] <ziper> manual
[23:08:56] <XXCoder> lol then sharp corner inlays is hell of a lot harder.
[23:09:10] <ziper> my CNC doesn't work yet, this is supposed to be done by the end of the month
[23:10:31] <ziper> but yeah that method looks sweet
[23:11:35] <XXCoder> concept is really simple. you make inlay and its inverse
[23:11:44] <XXCoder> glue together and cut off inverse
[23:12:10] <XXCoder> tip is to make inverse deeper so ypou have gap between blocks for easier cutting
[23:13:07] <`Wolf_> “I don't think that would work” wut...
[23:15:44] <`Wolf_> https://www.amazon.com
[23:16:05] <XXCoder> what about that tool
[23:16:43] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com maybe more theory explained
[23:16:57] <ziper> `Wolf_, i'm trying to not have to make two templates. If i make two templates than I could use any size tools
[23:17:41] <`Wolf_> oh, you’re talking about the template collars
[23:17:50] <ziper> but if you use a bushing that is the right size, and the right size collar, then...
[23:18:18] <ziper> at least, thats what I think. I'm no router pro. this one has only been working for 2 dayz
[23:18:30] <`Wolf_> you would need to use 2 different guide bushing
[23:18:52] <`Wolf_> one for the inlay, one for the part being cut for inlay
[23:18:57] <ziper> right
[23:19:19] <`Wolf_> or just cnc it
[23:19:26] <ziper> can I use urs?
[23:19:30] <XXCoder> lol
[23:19:34] <`Wolf_> sure
[23:19:44] <ziper> ok, i'll be right over
[23:19:45] <`Wolf_> should be fun to plasma wood
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