#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-02-07
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[00:00:29] <CaptHindsight> hot tub
[00:01:24] <Jymmm> not "drop" but "absorbtion"
[00:01:44] <Jymmm> aka thermal storage/extraction
[00:02:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Got a solid copper stove you can spare?
[00:02:40] <Jymmm> lol
[00:03:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe 20lbs in pennies
[00:04:23] <CaptHindsight> ok I'm off
[00:04:28] <Tom_itx> makes good ballast
[00:04:35] <Tom_itx> for machining hollow parts
[00:04:59] <Tom_itx> the bank was a little pissed when we returned them with coolant all over em
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[00:13:04] <CaptHindsight> Paraffin wax is an excellent material for storing heat, with a specific heat capacity of 2.14–2.9 J g−1 K−1 (joules per gram kelvin) and a heat of fusion of 200–220 J g−1.
[00:13:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yes, but not at 1400, wich is why I need it lower
[00:13:53] <CaptHindsight> Flash point 200–240 °C (392–464 °F;
[00:14:00] <CaptHindsight> boom go
[00:14:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I already has a source for 50lb boxes of wax
[00:14:14] <CaptHindsight> really big bees?
[00:14:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: refinery plant, can get wax by the tanker full if I wanted
[00:15:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But, the issue I have is the thermal absorption rate
[00:16:15] <CaptHindsight> if forget the project details, but I'm off to bed
[00:16:19] <CaptHindsight> hasta banana
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[00:16:27] <Jymmm> I want/need flue gas temps around 140F at exit
[00:16:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: gnight
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[02:31:58] <Deejay> moin
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[05:37:50] <jthornton> morning
[05:38:36] <XXCoder> morning
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[06:22:59] <XXCoder> jthornton: wow! west washington may get 4 to 8 inches
[06:23:04] <XXCoder> thats very rare
[06:23:37] <XXCoder> last time it happened I haven't moved to tacoma, which is over 6 years ago
[06:23:51] <XXCoder> and it was some number of years before I moved
[06:24:35] <jthornton> snow?
[06:25:08] <Tom_itx> morning
[06:25:18] <XXCoder> oops yeah snow
[06:25:45] <Tom_itx> 14°F, Hi 22, Lo 8
[06:25:47] <XXCoder> in spring and fall it rains so much i forget what color roads are when dry.
[06:26:35] <Tom_itx> icy here
[06:26:58] <XXCoder> not much ice here, roads is mostly dry due to all the sun during week.
[06:27:05] <XXCoder> but snow is still around so far.
[06:27:33] <Tom_itx> schools all closed
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[08:15:11] <MacGalempsy> mornin
[08:15:17] <XXCoder> yo
[08:15:39] <MacGalempsy> what shakin big daddy?
[08:16:20] <XXCoder> not much. just bought scabblenauts for wiiu because I like puzzle games so far lol
[08:16:26] <XXCoder> captain toad is fanastuc
[08:16:32] <MacGalempsy> https://flic.kr
[08:16:49] <XXCoder> not loading
[08:16:54] <MacGalempsy> cool. sounds fun.a work
[08:17:00] <XXCoder> finally
[08:17:03] <MacGalempsy> at work...
[08:17:28] <XXCoder> looks reasonable print. whats you making tho
[08:17:50] <MacGalempsy> that is a fan duct.
[08:18:32] <MacGalempsy> the only thing this new printer requires was assembly and bed leveling
[08:19:05] <MacGalempsy> everything else was good to go, firmware, cura, etc... quite amazing actually
[08:20:11] <MacGalempsy> that thing is a petsfang from thingiverse
[08:20:27] <XXCoder> not bad
[08:20:46] <MacGalempsy> for $230, it cannot be beat
[08:22:46] <MacGalempsy> ehat have you been making lately?
[08:22:57] <XXCoder> not a lot unfortunately lol
[08:23:36] <MacGalempsy> sometimes that is good
[08:29:59] <jthornton> which printer did you get?
[08:30:36] <MacGalempsy> ender pro 3
[08:31:16] <MacGalempsy> the only upgrade I would like to so is the autoleveler
[08:31:38] <jthornton> this one? https://www.amazon.com
[08:33:09] <jthornton> you run it from a pc?
[08:37:58] <MacGalempsy> sd card
[08:38:09] <MacGalempsy> I got it from the creality website
[08:38:32] <MacGalempsy> it can run from a pc, but haven't done it yet
[08:38:53] <XXCoder> pc just adds more chance of failure
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[08:45:41] <XXCoder> offf to bed laters
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[08:54:51] <avernos> what are the G54-59 workspaces for? different classes for parsing dimensions? why they store offsets ? help?
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[09:00:35] <Tom_itx> they are for work offsets
[09:00:37] <JT-Shop> avernos: http://linuxcnc.org
[09:03:12] <Tom_itx> for example if you wanted to run multiple positions for a part
[09:05:14] <avernos> thanks! multiple positions for a part? im thinking on 2D laser engrave.. i guess multiple positions in case you lift and turn the stock upside down or something like that?
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[09:15:04] <Tom_itx> probably not used much on a laser
[09:18:11] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: do you have a 7i92 bit file for a cnc4pc cllg and c10?
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[09:50:07] <MacGalempsy> ...was chatting and apparently nothing was posting...
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[09:51:32] <JT-Shop> I lost internet lol
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[10:13:21] <CNC_Brian> Am I safe using 2.8 to run my PM25 Mill? Want to have a play with QtPyVCP
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[10:15:50] <gloops> my router has run on 2.8 for about a year with no issues, had no updates or anything though since i set it up
[10:19:14] <jthornton> yea I've been running master for some time now
[10:19:42] <jthornton> CNC_Brian: did you see the basic vcp tutorial?
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[10:23:26] <CNC_Brian> Yes, Im trying to install using the instructions you posted me at yesterday
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[10:23:41] <CNC_Brian> Just installing Debian 9
[10:23:51] <CNC_Brian> Then LinuxCNC 2.8
[10:24:40] <CNC_Brian> Installing to a spare disk so I can try it om my PM25
[10:25:11] <CNC_Brian> Just do basic 2.5 Milling
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[10:30:47] <jthornton> are you using my install instructions?
[10:31:05] <CNC_Brian> Yes
[10:31:16] <CNC_Brian> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[10:31:28] <jthornton> cool, let me know if anything is not easy
[10:31:29] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
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[10:31:53] <jthornton> use the above link
[10:32:29] <CNC_Brian> Yep that's the next stage after getting Deb 9 up and running
[10:35:22] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: No but I should be able to copy-pasta one together
[10:35:55] <jthornton> ok thanks just let me know what header is for what so I can make the correct cables for him
[10:36:14] <jthornton> mmmm pasta
[10:39:59] <macgalempsy> JT are you still making the spyder accessories?
[10:42:05] <jthornton> aye
[10:42:51] <pcw_home> jthornton: the C10 is new to me, it looks like a generic buffer card, do you know what I/O is needed?
[10:45:02] <macgalempsy> the other day, I saw a guy making custom Roxor parts and thought about that
[10:45:22] <macgalempsy> they are mostly making large panels, and such
[10:45:24] <pcw_home> if its just for GPIO the C11GX2 would work, but if the customer wants more stepgens or maybe encoders I would have to know
[10:45:42] <JT-Shop> ok let me check
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[11:17:50] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: ok he just needs I/O on the C10
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[12:05:09] <CNC_Brian> Guy's, got a virtual machine running with 2.8 and QtPtVCP. Running probe basic UI, but I can't seem to do much with it
[12:05:48] <CNC_Brian> Is this a sim, I don't have a Parallel port card installed or anything
[12:05:56] <rmu> CNC_Brian: what do you want to do
[12:06:26] <CNC_Brian> I would like to use it to drive my PM25
[12:06:50] <rmu> virtual machine implies you cant run hardware
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[12:07:16] <CNC_Brian> Im just having a dry run of the install
[12:07:52] <rmu> "I can't seem to do much with it" sounded like a problem. sorry.
[12:13:41] <CNC_Brian> I will add a virtual parallel port. I think that is the problem.
[12:14:04] <CNC_Brian> Was expecting to power on and home then run the example tool path
[12:16:29] <Loetmichel> Gnhihi. i Like my Opel Omega car... but if i want to keep it i should buy a new set of rubbers soon... just exited a roundabout at 60kph... all 4 wheels lost grip and i drifted out a lane in the corner. the driver in the car behind me nearly shat himself, judging by the abount he jerked on his steering wheel. ;)
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[12:20:34] <JT-Shop> CNC_Brian: my basic vcp tutorial is a sim
[12:21:24] <JT-Shop> https://github.com
[12:21:49] <JT-Shop> https://github.com
[12:22:15] <JT-Shop> https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
[12:30:43] <CNC_Brian> So I have used step config to setup a basic 3 axil mill and set qtpyvcp Probe Basic as the UI
[12:36:54] <JT-Shop> that should work
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[12:48:43] <CNC_Brian> Think it is but 3dChips federate is something crazy like 450000mm/min
[12:48:55] <CNC_Brian> Think its just finishing quick
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[13:02:22] <Jymmm> Man, I freeze my feet off wearing rubber boots in the snow
[13:02:35] <fragalot> should've worn uggs
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[13:03:28] <Jymmm> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
[13:03:29] <JT-Shop> should have worn mukluks
[13:03:37] <fragalot> molusks?
[13:03:57] <JT-Shop> no mukluk is a boot make from seal skin
[13:04:07] <fragalot> I see
[13:04:31] <Jymmm> do winter socks really work?
[13:04:36] <JT-Shop> they are very warm
[13:04:51] <JT-Shop> oversize boots and thick wool socks
[13:05:32] <rmu> CNC_Brian: in virtual machine, use a sim config
[13:05:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I usually wear rubber boots, but wasn't sure of wool socks really help or not
[13:06:27] <JT-Shop> they wick the moisture out, my snow boots had felt liners
[13:07:24] <Jymmm> I just have those black and rust orange rubber boots
[13:14:31] <ziper> CaptHindsight, is it ok to use spray adhesive to stack up dry laminate in an infusion mold?
[13:14:55] <ziper> I found a couple products that say that are compatible with polyester etc, but no mention of epoxy
[13:15:28] <ziper> or is that because epoxy will bond with anything, so it doesn't matter what adhesive you use?
[13:17:11] <fragalot> epoxy does not bond with anything
[13:18:53] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Since I discovered 'Darntough', I wear wool socks all year round. First time I've heard of a lifetime guarantee on socks.
[13:21:40] <CNC_Brian> Not sure what I did but its working.
[13:24:30] <ziper> anything*
[13:27:22] <fragalot> everything*
[13:34:35] <gloops> the expoxy is very sticky when its poured, doesnt mean other things stick to it when its dry
[13:34:41] <gloops> epoxy
[13:39:58] <ziper> right, but the spray adhesive is applied before the epoxy infusion
[13:40:33] <gloops> oh, so whats the spray sticking?
[13:41:17] <CaptHindsight> depends on the adhesive used
[13:41:49] <CaptHindsight> the epoxy will encapsulate everything but....
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[13:42:36] <FinboySlick> If you drill and tap holes, the epoxy will 'adhere' to them ;)
[13:42:49] <CaptHindsight> how much adhesive and type will effect how well the epoxy bonds to it
[13:43:26] <CaptHindsight> if you want it to polymerize with the adhesive you can make that happen
[13:45:01] <CaptHindsight> adhesive bonds vs chemical bonds also needs to be clarified
[13:45:10] <fragalot> should be fun if your adhesive just happens to contain something that prevents the epoxy from curing :D
[13:45:11] <gloops> that reminds me i need to get some high temp pouring silicone
[13:45:31] <gloops> gonna try casting tin/pewter in silicone molds
[13:45:31] <ziper> just enough to get the carbon to adhere to the part being repaired
[13:45:35] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: yeah gooey mess
[13:45:46] <gloops> ziper so carbon matting
[13:46:43] <ziper> I did a repair and in a couple spots the carbon had shifted while putting down the peel ply, vacuum bag, etc
[13:46:46] <gloops> seems dodgy to me trying to pour the epoxy on dry matting, the mat needs wetting and rolling
[13:47:11] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Thanks, I'll check them out. I've never worn wool anything before.
[13:47:31] <CaptHindsight> if you use a urethane adhesive with a catalyst and coat with epoxy the two systems will crosslink
[13:48:02] <CaptHindsight> but now you're dealing with isocyanates, not nice stuff
[13:48:09] <ziper> gloops, https://youtu.be
[13:48:53] <gloops> ahh vaccum bagging
[13:49:07] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: WTH is a "tactical sock" ?! lol
[13:49:13] <CaptHindsight> if you sparingly use a spray acrylic adhesive the epoxy won't crosslink with it but will still coat everything
[13:49:42] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: They didn't have those when I last shopped there. But they're definitely good 'murica-made stuff.
[13:50:42] <ziper> oh, it looks like 3m 71 is exactly what I want
[13:51:18] <gloops> so youre making progress with the drone parts ziper?
[13:51:28] <CaptHindsight> ziper: yeah I have 77 here as well
[13:51:30] <ziper> no drone parts, only boat parts
[13:51:40] <ziper> maybe a fixed wing in the future
[13:51:47] <ziper> but rotary wing does not interest me
[13:52:04] <gloops> must have been someone else looing at drone bodies
[13:52:21] <ziper> we did talk about it before
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[13:54:07] <ziper> CaptHindsight, how do you keep the edges from fraying when you are doing an aesthetically pleasing top layer?
[13:55:56] <CaptHindsight> gel coat mold
[13:56:12] <CaptHindsight> or sand and polish
[13:57:28] <gloops> id leave the thickness of the panel, say 4mm as part of the mold, if you see what what i mean, then the edge is molded, not cut/sanded
[13:57:52] <gloops> dont just cut the panel where the mold ends
[13:58:41] <CaptHindsight> if the fiber doesn't reach the surface of the epoxy then it won't fray
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[14:09:34] <CaptHindsight> ziper: just FYI, you typically want to recoat epoxy within 24 hours, even less if it sets very quickly
[14:17:50] * SpeedEvil wonders if you could improve bonding by heating old epoxy to the glass transision temperature. (if it has not already been) (probably a bad idea)
[14:22:30] <gloops> i wonder how long a life the molds have with this high temp pouring silicone
[14:22:50] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: won't break the bonds
[14:22:55] <fragalot> gloops: maybe one
[14:22:56] <gloops> its only RV silicone with some powder filler to increase heat resistance so far as i can see
[14:22:58] <fragalot> gloops: maybe more
[14:23:12] <fragalot> gloops: maybe less
[14:23:13] <fragalot> :)
[14:23:15] <gloops> fragalot one cast is no good its £50 a kilo
[14:24:13] <gloops> i think it might be ok they use it for baking tins they last long enough
[14:24:34] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: if you were printing on the epoxy it might help, plasma treating helps slightly
[14:25:21] <CaptHindsight> plasma, corona, flame treating to up the surface energy
[14:26:07] <gloops> what im going to do is carve out some gothic letters in wood, polish them up, then take some silicone molds and pour tin into the, try them as inlay on wooden signs etc
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[14:39:04] <CaptHindsight> we need individually programmable CF spinning spiders that can weave in 3D
[14:39:15] <CaptHindsight> or silk
[14:39:22] <fragalot> both
[14:39:38] <fragalot> silk for flexibility, CF for the stiffer parts
[14:39:48] <Jymmm> CF???
[14:39:56] <fragalot> carbon fiber
[14:40:01] <Jymmm> eh
[14:40:08] <fragalot> it'd be idiotic to have compactFlash spiders
[14:40:14] <Jymmm> spider silk is 10x strong than stell
[14:40:22] <CaptHindsight> or cystic fibrosis
[14:40:22] <Jymmm> steel*
[14:40:30] <Jymmm> or cold fusion
[14:40:47] <gloops> in the box thinking
[14:41:03] <gloops> in the future material will be intelligent and programmable
[14:41:34] <Tom_itx> transformers
[14:41:42] <gloops> carbon nanobytes will arrange themselves in the required form at strengths harder than diamonds
[14:41:47] <CaptHindsight> yes yes with the inherent limitations
[14:42:15] <CaptHindsight> if they deposit nano poop then yes
[14:43:01] <CaptHindsight> the carbon composite nanobytes would have to shed them selves of the non carbon parts
[14:43:07] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: what if you inhale said nano poop?
[14:43:34] <gloops> biological organisms manage ok
[14:43:52] <CaptHindsight> depends www.depend.com
[14:44:16] <CaptHindsight> gloops you're mostly water
[14:45:19] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: I thought he was mostly hot air?
[14:45:22] <fragalot> :3
[14:45:25] <gloops> filled with water yes
[14:45:58] <CaptHindsight> too easy
[14:46:25] <gloops> car engines are filled with water, you need internal transport networks
[14:47:07] <fragalot> there was no wanted water in my trabants car engine
[14:47:42] <CaptHindsight> nano self assembly might be used to guide carbon atoms into position
[14:48:16] <CaptHindsight> but then they would get out of the way
[14:50:09] <CaptHindsight> https://phys.org
[14:50:49] <FinboySlick> They invented thousands of years ago with slavery.
[14:50:54] <gloops> if a shoulder joint was dry metal it would wear out quickly
[14:51:39] <gloops> we can get the heat out, self lubricate etc, its a very good design model
[14:51:47] <fragalot> isn't molybdenum a metal?
[14:51:57] <gloops> its not dry though
[14:52:03] <fragalot> isn't it?
[14:52:10] <gloops> not in a shoulder joint
[14:53:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.nature.com
[14:53:19] <CaptHindsight> Real-time magnetic actuation of DNA nanodevices via modular integration with stiff micro-levers
[14:54:47] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: loving those words
[14:56:17] <gloops> species 8472 had bio-ships
[14:56:33] <CaptHindsight> we could make a nano mill or lathe that cuts with tools
[14:56:57] <CaptHindsight> somebody fund me to make them please
[14:58:02] <fragalot> I've got a few atoms spare
[14:58:35] <CaptHindsight> nano funding
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[15:18:12] <CaptHindsight> https://sci-hub.tw Micro and Nano Machining by Electro-Physical and Chemical Processes
[15:21:26] <fragalot> micro USM is one I hadnt heard of
[15:22:03] <gloops> excellent, all we need now is a quantum computer
[15:25:06] <gloops> humans main problem is that theyre the smartest thing around, we need slaves smarter than us so we dont have to think
[15:25:11] <CaptHindsight> was van der Waals Dutch or did he drive a van?
[15:25:31] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: likely both
[15:25:38] <gloops> guessing he was the son of Waals
[15:25:43] <fragalot> but coming from wallonia
[15:25:54] * fragalot spits
[15:26:32] <CaptHindsight> https://onrobot.com
[15:26:57] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[15:32:07] <fragalot> black magic
[15:32:24] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: I went to another expo yesterday on new innovations in industry
[15:32:38] <fragalot> obviously there is a lot of talk again about big data analysis, AI and so on
[15:33:21] <fragalot> so one example was saving compressed air on looms to shoot the thread across, how they used big data to really nail down on how little air usage they could get by with, without compromising reliability
[15:33:33] <fragalot> which was kinda neat, as the machine was already thought to be quite efficient
[15:33:52] <fragalot> the very next topic by the same speaker was "and this is how we developed pathing technology for aerial drones for warehousing"
[15:34:07] <fragalot> whoosh. byebye energy savings mentioned earlier :D
[15:34:48] <fragalot> (that said, it was pretty neat)
[15:35:00] <gregcnc> if you can afford to pay for it, you can use all the energy you want....
[15:35:10] <gregcnc> I used little this morning
[15:35:27] <gregcnc> there was no power until ~1pm
[15:37:03] <CaptHindsight> ice storm knock you out?
[15:37:27] <CaptHindsight> looked like an alien world
[15:37:42] <gregcnc> yeah. somethign woke me about 4am. then i heard a loud noise, maybe something falling
[15:38:05] <gregcnc> not long after the sky flashed blue and it was dark
[15:38:37] <fragalot> can't have overhead lines because they freeze & shit breaks
[15:38:48] <fragalot> can't have underground lines because they freeze & shit breaks
[15:38:55] <fragalot> sad days. :P
[15:40:12] <CaptHindsight> why wireless power is best
[15:40:32] <CaptHindsight> energy rays from towers direct to you!
[15:40:39] <gregcnc> then i got nervous about the basement and ran over to horrorfright and bought a generator. by the time I got home power was on, if I waited maybe 3 minutes...
[15:40:51] <gregcnc> nikola tesla
[15:41:02] <fragalot> gregcnc: ha :D
[15:41:16] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: well you never know how long to wait
[15:41:22] <CaptHindsight> but now you are ready
[15:41:47] <fragalot> that is when you find out you forgot the engine oil
[15:41:49] <gregcnc> I'll read the reviews, if it doesn't suck, I'll keep it
[15:41:54] <gregcnc> i have oil
[15:42:08] <gregcnc> and canned gas
[15:42:24] <CaptHindsight> we have underground power, never goes out
[15:43:56] <gloops> we have expensive power
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[15:45:48] <CaptHindsight> last building also had underground power but the boring company still managed to knock it out
[15:46:18] <CaptHindsight> same for internet, the boring cos always cut through our lines
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[16:32:53] <Tom_itx> gregcnc you'll have it for the next round
[16:33:26] <gregcnc> was thinking about getting one last spring
[16:34:07] <Tom_itx> i wore one out and traded for a new one. since i haven't used it that much but i keep it full of fresh fuel and ready
[16:36:55] <Tom_itx> old one the carb started surging and a cleaning didn't fix it
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[16:38:03] * JT-Shop has a two cylinder deutz diesel 3 phase generator for some reason
[16:38:38] <Tom_itx> my bud pulled a 15kw from a grocery store
[16:38:49] <Tom_itx> wired it with a mains switch etc
[16:40:06] <JT-Shop> I finally got the mains sorted out so I can turn off a breaker and isolate the incoming power and the rest can be on the generator
[16:40:32] <Tom_itx> no main cutoff switch?
[16:40:42] <Tom_itx> err mains breaker
[16:42:19] <JT-Shop> when I built the house I ran power from the meter to the house panel which has a main breaker then I build the garage and added a breaker outside for that right off the meter so at that point no way to have them both on with the power isolated except to pull the meter
[16:43:34] <JT-Shop> now the incoming power goes to the new outside box through a main breaker and that box feeds the house, garage, machine shop and new shop
[16:43:50] <JT-Shop> oh and the chicken coop
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[16:44:11] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: did you find this months bandwidth hog?
[16:44:29] <Tom_itx> you should put the coop on a separate meter so you can charge them keep
[16:44:58] <CaptHindsight> the power co requires SS# from each new account
[16:45:37] <JT-Shop> no, some web page I left up I guess, I'm only using 0.1GB a day now lol
[16:46:10] <JT-Shop> yea they are slacking a bit paying rent now with some molting and not laying
[16:46:10] <CaptHindsight> if the chicken incorporate then they can use a EIN
[16:46:17] <JT-Shop> lol
[16:56:22] <Papagno> Hi one question . The esternal offset fuction only with axis interface. i have test it with tk interface and non fuction. because
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[17:03:10] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:24:34] <jthornton> wow he didn't stay very long lol
[17:32:29] <Tom_itx> i know i'm gettin old and slow by my god...
[17:32:43] <Tom_itx> but*
[17:45:26] <jthornton> lost your train of thought?
[17:45:51] <Tom_itx> he wasn't real clear with his question either
[17:47:40] <Tom_itx> must be something new to 2.8
[17:47:46] <jthornton> I'm guessing he tried to use external offsets with the TkLinuxCNC GUI and it's amazing it is still here
[17:47:57] <jthornton> yea it's in master only
[17:53:28] <Tom_itx> what is their intended purpose?
[17:59:06] <jthornton> external offsets is so you can have something like torch height control that is not a kludge
[17:59:25] <jthornton> but I never could understand how it worked as it's so complicated
[17:59:47] <Tom_itx> i thought it might have something to do with plasma cutters
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[18:00:31] <jthornton> you can use it with other stuff I guess
[18:06:47] <Tom_itx> i suppose but i can't see the need
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[18:40:08] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you been running 2.8 on your mill?
[18:41:31] <jthornton> on the BP yes
[18:41:52] <jthornton> using QtPyVCP GUI I made
[18:42:34] <Tom_itx> is it difficult to tie the gui to the pins?
[18:42:49] <Tom_itx> QtPyVCP is something new to me
[18:46:52] <jthornton> what pins?
[18:46:59] <jthornton> is it difficult no
[18:47:37] <Tom_itx> i guess i'm not clear on how the GUI ties to lcnc
[18:48:36] <Tom_itx> same widgets we put on the right pannel in axis?
[18:51:23] <jthornton> no, the widgets are not the same as a pyVCP widget
[18:51:50] <jthornton> you just have to set the display to qtpyvcp and vcp to your vcpname in the ini
[18:52:21] <Tom_itx> i see that under 'stand alone' in the docs now...
[18:54:09] <jthornton> what's that?
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[18:54:44] <Tom_itx> how to roll your own GUI
[18:55:30] <jthornton> https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
[18:55:38] <jthornton> that's my tutorial
[18:55:40] <Tom_itx> saw that the other day
[18:56:26] <jthornton> which docs did you see stand alone in?
[18:56:31] <Tom_itx> master
[18:56:52] <jthornton> what section?
[18:56:54] <Tom_itx> well it's in 2.7 too but probably not the same
[18:57:19] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org
[18:57:36] <jthornton> oh that's for pyvcp not qtpyvcp
[18:57:42] <Tom_itx> ahh ok
[18:58:10] <jthornton> pyvcp and qtpyvcp and qtvcp are all different
[18:58:44] <Tom_itx> great
[19:00:28] <jthornton> qtpyvcp is designed to be more flexible than qtvcp
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[19:00:32] <jthornton> QtPyVCP is a Qt and Python based framework for building virtual control panels for the LinuxCNC machine control.
[19:01:30] <hazzy-m> Tom_itx: we carefully chose the names to be as confusing as possible, lol
[19:01:39] <jthornton> lol
[19:01:42] <Tom_itx> thank you :D
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[22:41:57] <tiwake> can SLS type rapid prototyping machines be used with aluminum?
[22:45:24] <Tom_itx> https://www.protolabs.com
[22:45:27] <Tom_itx> is that the same?
[22:45:44] <Tom_itx> if so then yes
[22:46:04] <tiwake> yeah, thats the process
[22:46:17] <Tom_itx> Our DMLS selection includes aluminum, cobalt chrome, Inconel, stainless steel, and titanium.
[22:49:41] <tiwake> hmm
[22:49:52] <tiwake> Tom_itx: how much does the titanium cost per lb?
[22:49:58] <tiwake> in powder form
[22:50:01] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[22:50:14] <Tom_itx> i know the process is expensive
[22:50:23] <tiwake> why?
[22:50:29] <tiwake> the machine is expensive I know
[22:50:43] <tiwake> but I can't imagine it being more expensive than anything else really
[22:50:49] <Tom_itx> the vo-tech has an array of i think 12 or 15 inert gas bottles hooked to theirs
[22:50:54] <Tom_itx> they go thru alot of gas
[22:51:44] <Tom_itx> i don't know the cost of material
[22:52:03] <tiwake> hmm
[22:54:54] <Tom_itx> https://www.americanelements.com
[22:54:58] <Tom_itx> ask for a quote :)
[23:14:52] <Tom_itx> tiwake, http://pencerw.com
[23:16:29] <Tom_itx> from $987 to $2377 for one bicycle seat holder
[23:16:53] <Tom_itx> http://pencerw.com
[23:16:56] <Tom_itx> shown there
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[23:20:30] <tiwake> hmm
[23:20:54] <tiwake> Tom_itx: I'd be building my own SLS type machine, was wondering what the cost is for raw materials
[23:21:11] <Tom_itx> yeah, i don't know about that
[23:21:36] <tiwake> isnt there a rapid prototyping machine convention?
[23:21:44] <Tom_itx> i know at least on the one at the vo-tech they have to fill the chamber no matter how big the part is
[23:21:59] <tiwake> yeah
[23:22:33] <Tom_itx> one missed layer or bump etc and the part is scrap
[23:28:32] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:28:38] <Tom_itx> some of the stuff they did with Ti
[23:28:49] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:28:55] <Tom_itx> all one print
[23:33:10] <tiwake> I'll have to talk to some people
[23:36:27] <Tom_itx> be interesting what you find
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