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[03:31:19] <Deejay> moin
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[04:06:41] <gambakufu> can anyone confirm this (pcw_home, maybe) - the option to latch on probe isn't available in current mesa configurations? looking through the code, it seems that bitfiles do not create a Probe pin.
[04:08:11] <gambakufu> (talking about encoders)
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[05:03:54] <jthornton> morning
[05:18:20] <XXCoder> morning
[05:18:38] <XXCoder> snow prediction all way to tues now
[05:18:49] <XXCoder> starting "today" (friday)
[05:19:18] <XXCoder> hm if I go to work overtime tomorrow, I might be unable to go back home even with short drive
[05:19:33] <XXCoder> good thing I have reading material for in least 40 hours
[05:19:47] <XXCoder> and theres also retro mini game thing if im tired of reading
[05:22:01] <jthornton> pretty strange for you to get snow?
[05:22:52] <XXCoder> snow almost always happens annually
[05:23:02] <XXCoder> but its nearly always "snow dont like ground" type
[05:23:30] <XXCoder> and usually 2 well seperated days or maybe 2 days together and another day seperately
[05:23:49] <XXCoder> this weather is "decade" rare
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[05:39:42] <x2s> Hi. Are there any caveats for building and running LinuxCNC on Debian Unstable with their -rt kernels?
[05:39:58] <XXCoder> hey
[05:40:09] <XXCoder> dunno, I usually just use stock linuxcnc cd install
[05:41:22] <x2s> Which is oldstable, isn't it? I'd like to have access to a few of the newer tools, without having to backport them
[05:42:04] <x2s> Well, I'm going to try. And report if someone wants to know if it works :)
[05:42:15] <XXCoder> cool :)
[05:43:47] <x2s> The -rt-Kernels seem to become a fixed part of Debian, even though I fear they wont make it into Buster
[05:46:03] <x2s> But that would make it possible to build packages directly for Debian some day, which might be able to simplify some things.
[05:47:29] <x2s> (oh, you could get that wrong. What I simply mean is that heaving packages directly in the Debian repository makes it easier to install and gives a bigger audience and such things)
[05:48:27] <XXCoder> makes sense but dunno also
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[06:16:22] <Tom_L> 12°F Hi 28
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[07:58:53] <jthornton> damn windblows pc down here is getting flakey
[07:59:12] <XXCoder> jeez
[08:08:14] <x2s> it builds on Unstable with a few minor changes
[08:08:51] <XXCoder> hows latency like so on?
[08:09:19] <x2s> if it runs I'll find out, when I get my milling machine ;)
[08:11:20] <XXCoder> lol ok. curious what machine?
[08:13:25] <x2s> just a stepcraft d420
[08:14:05] <x2s> nothing fancy. But who knows what comes after it...
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[08:21:25] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[08:34:51] <x2s> hm. Why does the package need the libxenomai-dev packages for every architecture? That doesn't look like it's necessary.
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[08:40:08] <jthornton> XXCoder: https://github.com
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[09:01:06] <x2s> Looks like I got all changes that were necessary to build it on unstable. Anyone cares for a patch?
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[11:45:56] <fragalot> baby shark do doo do do
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[11:59:46] <gloops> hmm Nigel Farages new party got official approval today, that could set the cat among the pigeons
[12:04:00] <fragalot> i was just about to watch the ch4 on that
[12:04:07] <fragalot> you ruined the surprise!
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[12:05:34] <gloops> not heard anything other than its been approved lol - the Brexit Party
[12:05:46] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com
[12:07:21] <gloops> https://www.telegraph.co.uk
[12:08:04] <fragalot> I love how the article draws you in with that title, and starts off with "they are likely to"
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[12:14:02] <fragalot> they also have a website where you can register your interest, or donate.. but there is no manifesto to speak of
[12:18:25] <SpeedEvil> It's Nigel Farage.
[12:18:30] <SpeedEvil> I think that makes it pretty clear.
[12:18:36] <fragalot> :D
[12:18:52] <fragalot> "my EU term will end, and I need money"
[12:27:09] <gloops> i dont think he needs the money, hes loaded - Mr Brexit, 10k for an after dinner speech
[12:28:43] <gloops> it seems reasonable to assume UKIP was a faction of the tory party, the hard right anti EU wing, it was collapsed when the referendum was won - too soon, this is just another manifestation
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[12:40:25] <Papagno> Hi I want use exsternal offset with TKlinuxcnc. But is not fuction. the same config fuction on axis interface . The exsternal offset fuction only with axis interface ?
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[13:00:54] <pcw_home> External offsets are a motion feature, not really related to the GUI
[13:07:52] <gambakufu> hey pcw_home, could you tell me if encoder latch on probe is an abandonded feature on hostmot2?
[13:08:35] <pcw_home> its supported in hardware but the driver does not support it
[13:09:16] <gambakufu> ok, thanks.
[13:10:06] <Papagno> Pc
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[13:11:08] <pcw_home> Its more complex to support than you might expect because of the motor/axis/joint translations
[13:12:12] <fragalot> pcw_home: you're just being lazy. admit it. :)
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[13:15:34] <Papagno> pcw_home, Peter , i have write add in axis[x] ini file line OFFSET_AV_RATIO = 0.05. have add in hal : net E:paused <= halui.program.is-paused => axis.x.eoffset-enable and setp axis.x.eoffset-scale 0.01.after run Tklinuxcnc, reference axis ok , send auto and start program, impose pause, halcmd setp axis.x.eoffset-count 10. but axis x not move because ?
[13:16:34] <Papagno> pcw_home, the same ini file and hal file with axis interface and axis x move
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[13:47:19] <Papagno> i have write add in axis[x] ini file line OFFSET_AV_RATIO = 0.05. have add in hal : net E:paused <= halui.program.is-paused => axis.x.eoffset-enable and setp axis.x.eoffset-scale 0.01.after run Tklinuxcnc, reference axis ok , send auto and start program, impose pause, halcmd setp axis.x.eoffset-count 10. but axis x not move because ?
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[13:47:31] <Papagno> the same ini file and hal file with axis interface and axis x move
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[14:08:38] <CaptHindsight> metal powders are easy to make, it's a high profit margin industry still
[14:09:08] <Tom_L> any good sources?
[14:09:19] <CaptHindsight> plastic powders are a bit more expensive to make since you have to cryo cool while grinding to keep the plastic from melting
[14:10:41] <CaptHindsight> China, check the baba
[14:11:17] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: dont grind then. use a very fine shredder
[14:11:58] <gloops> i looked at making metal powder, a bit of a pain for DIY
[14:12:09] <CaptHindsight> shred to 25um particles?
[14:12:27] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: also known as slow sanding
[14:12:40] <CaptHindsight> again it depends who is doing the DIY
[14:12:43] <Tom_L> what's the cost per ton for Ti powder?
[14:12:52] <gloops> mainly for mixing with resin/casting
[14:14:41] <gloops> brass = £4 per 100g
[14:14:59] <SpeedEvil> gloops: copper is unfortunately expensive
[14:16:00] <gloops> at those rates £40 000 a tonne
[14:16:44] <gloops> SpeedEvil for artistic stuff its mainly bronze, brass and aluminium
[14:17:16] <gloops> you can get an authentic cast iron look with iron filings in resin, letting it rust a bit
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[14:19:06] <fragalot> don't forget the crushed pencil leads for that authentic graphite covering everything you own
[14:19:56] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: it's just above the raw price
[14:21:18] <gloops> copper/brass £475 per 25kg (a sack)
[14:23:59] <gloops> https://www.mbfg.co.uk
[14:26:36] <SpeedEvil> https://www.cfsnet.co.uk
[14:28:21] <gloops> thats better ive saved that link thanks
[14:29:05] <SpeedEvil> They are good for fibreglassy stuff too
[14:29:25] <gloops> yeah general resin not a bad price
[14:30:01] <Tom_L> i'm guessing they need to use inert gas on all sintering
[14:30:45] <CaptHindsight> mitrogen, argon can make the laser fuzzy
[14:30:51] <Tom_L> seems Ti could be a fire hazard otherwise
[14:31:03] <CaptHindsight> yeah boom go
[14:31:20] <Tom_L> i know at the vo'tech they have an array of 12-15 tanks hooked to the printer
[14:31:36] <Tom_L> the guy told me they use _alot_ of gas
[14:32:09] <CaptHindsight> have to purge the oven
[14:32:34] <fragalot> its better to use helium
[14:32:37] <CaptHindsight> and have a draft though the oven
[14:32:48] <fragalot> that way you can release it into a confined space & kill everyones iphone
[14:32:52] <CaptHindsight> better for whom?
[14:33:00] <CaptHindsight> perfect
[14:33:05] <fragalot> :)
[14:33:32] <Loetmichel> is ln2 possible in pressurized containers?
[14:33:38] <CaptHindsight> might be more cost effective to just use rocks
[14:33:48] <Loetmichel> cant remember the triple point
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[14:42:48] <CaptHindsight> AI hears your anger in 1.2 seconds
[14:42:57] <CaptHindsight> https://venturebeat.com
[14:43:11] <CaptHindsight> how long to hear stupid?
[14:46:40] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: just put youtube on random
[14:47:15] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: a lot less
[14:47:22] <Loetmichel> i guess less than 1 sec ;)
[14:47:48] <Loetmichel> intelligent is even easier: just look for silence ;)
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[15:11:29] <CaptHindsight> anyone flown on an A380?
[15:11:46] <fragalot> voluntarily?
[15:11:50] <fragalot> if so: yea
[15:12:01] <CaptHindsight> how are they?
[15:12:27] <CaptHindsight> did it fell cramped?
[15:12:27] <fragalot> screens in business first are quite good but the seats are very narrow
[15:12:37] <fragalot> premier plus is alright
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[15:12:59] <CaptHindsight> are they all two levels?
[15:13:04] <fragalot> no
[15:13:41] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:13:44] <fragalot> maybe they are but the upstairs is crew,.. i've only been on the pleb level
[15:14:23] * fragalot is now wondering if there were stairs he completely missed
[15:14:29] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:15:13] <fragalot> that'd be a yes, I COMPLETELY missed them :-)
[15:15:37] <CaptHindsight> lower level floor covered in hay with wooden benches or standing room only
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[15:15:55] <fragalot> lol
[15:16:12] <CaptHindsight> upper level posh surroundings with recliners and open bar
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[15:31:52] <asdfasd1> anyone tried electroplating iron on copper?
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[15:39:56] <gloops> why would you?
[15:40:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.finishing.com
[15:40:41] <CaptHindsight> asdfasd1: ^^
[15:41:14] <asdfasd1> I did try that
[15:41:19] <asdfasd1> but something is wrong
[15:41:53] <asdfasd1> the second recepy should work at room temperature
[15:42:07] <asdfasd1> initialy begin, but later become black
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[15:47:41] <CaptHindsight> asdfasd1: https://sci-hub.tw(02)82026-8
[15:50:59] <asdfasd1> thanks for that link, one of the recipies already tried, same black coating
[15:51:07] <asdfasd1> obviously Im doing something wrong
[15:52:51] <CaptHindsight> sometimes you don't seee your own mistakes
[15:54:04] <asdfasd1> and sometime in desperation Im mixing randomly chemicals and when have success I cant reproduce it anymore
[15:54:40] <asdfasd1> this morning made nice shiny iron coating, but dont know how I made it
[15:54:46] <asdfasd1> cant reproduce it anymore
[15:55:42] <Jymmm> I want to see photos of this iron plating
[15:57:02] <asdfasd1> its gone, I did sand the workpiece for next attempt
[15:59:06] <asdfasd1> now I can make only very thin coating, almost transparent
[15:59:14] <asdfasd1> when I leave it longer it become black
[15:59:35] <asdfasd1> it is still attracted to magnet, but it is black and porous
[16:04:13] <gloops> sounds toasted
[16:05:11] <asdfasd1> what you mean toasted? too much current?
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[16:12:14] <gloops> well, black and porous, yeah
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[16:13:52] <asdfasd1> I did try with very low current
[16:14:21] <asdfasd1> it seems the problem is with oxidizing
[16:14:32] <asdfasd1> iron easy oxidize
[16:15:03] <asdfasd1> the black is still magnetic, like ferrite core transformer
[16:20:43] <gloops> would humidity affect the process?
[16:21:18] <asdfasd1> the workpiece is submerged in electrolite
[16:21:24] <gloops> lot of oxygen in water
[16:21:32] <gloops> oh yes i see
[16:22:19] <asdfasd1> I think I was able to reproduce my messed up recepy
[16:22:39] <asdfasd1> but Im not good at chemestry so I have no clue wat has been done
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[16:40:21] <Rab> asdfasd1, making soldering implements?
[16:49:42] <asdfasd1> yes
[16:49:54] <asdfasd1> at least making attempts hahah
[16:50:11] <asdfasd1> so far embarasing results
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[17:10:08] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:50:01] <jthornton> hmm can't tell if it is a hard drive or motherboard problem...
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[18:56:02] <XXCoder> jthornton: hd making any noises thats abnormal?
[18:56:15] <XXCoder> normal procure would be trying hd on other computer
[18:56:18] <XXCoder> or enclosure
[18:57:03] <jthornton> yea tried it on another pc and went round and round with windblows repair never working and boot up to a micro flash of blue then off
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[18:58:36] <XXCoder> geez
[19:01:09] <XXCoder> wish me luck. going to work and its snowing lol
[19:01:14] <XXCoder> return hom,e would be worse
[19:01:40] <jthornton> drive safe
[19:02:20] <XXCoder> thanks
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[19:49:49] <skunkworks> is there a drilling cycle that just pauses at every so often to break chips?
[19:49:54] <skunkworks> (in linuxcnc)
[19:56:03] <Wolf__> yeah, peck cycle
[19:57:17] <Wolf__> seems there is a chip break as well, G73
[19:57:37] <Wolf__> http://linuxcnc.org
[20:07:55] <Roguish> G73 is the one.
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[20:14:44] <skunkworks> ah - I was in the 80's and missed that - Thanks!
[20:15:01] <skunkworks> need to drill and tap a lot of holes
[20:15:51] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
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[21:14:02] <skunkworks> that is working great!
[21:14:58] <skunkworks> about .03 peck keeps the shavings from wrapping
[21:15:04] <skunkworks> "
[21:17:33] <Tom_L> there should be 2
[21:17:42] <Tom_L> one is a peck and one is a full retract
[21:19:14] <Tom_L> G73 & 83
[21:19:47] <Tom_L> G82 just keeps the drill warm
[21:20:11] <skunkworks> I normally use G83
[21:20:17] <Tom_L> same here
[21:20:29] <skunkworks> but I have to drill a ton of holes and don't really want to re-trackt
[21:20:37] <skunkworks> re-track
[21:20:42] <skunkworks> retreact
[21:20:45] <skunkworks> whatever
[21:20:58] <Tom_L> yeah that takes alot of time
[21:21:20] <skunkworks> 1/2 tap drill + 1 inch deep
[21:21:44] <skunkworks> thumps real nice... thump thump thump
[21:22:07] <skunkworks> shavings end up being about 3 inches long
[21:22:58] <Tom_L> how much are you taking per pass?
[21:24:14] <skunkworks> about .030"
[21:24:24] <Tom_L> what would really be cool would be a cycle that pecked but with 2 vars. one for the start which could take more and one for the final which would take less deep in the hole. the cycle would calculate the average as it went further in the hole
[21:24:50] <skunkworks> sure - I think someone wrote something like that in o-words
[21:25:06] <Tom_L> i don't know any machine that does that, just a passing thought
[21:25:15] <skunkworks> kinda like the threading cycle
[21:25:45] <skunkworks> that poor drill. this tombstone is pretty hard..
[21:28:39] <Tom_L> drilling holes in the tombstone?
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[21:30:28] <skunkworks> yah something we got at an auction.. it was made at the factory.. only has some radial holes - adding a 2" on center hole patern
[21:30:50] <Jymmm> tombstone???
[21:30:56] <Jymmm> RIP ???
[21:31:05] <Tom_L> yeah
[21:31:23] <Jymmm> granite?
[21:31:38] <Tom_L> no, steel
[21:31:48] <Jymmm> Ah
[21:31:52] <Tom_L> https://tombstonecity.com
[21:32:16] <Tom_L> for fixturing
[21:32:41] <Jymmm> That's not RIP btw
[21:33:23] <Jymmm> I have explored an abandond cemetary that had steel and even plywood headmarkers
[21:33:37] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[21:34:08] <Jymmm> skunkworks: JEEBUS, wth is that thing?!
[21:34:31] <Jymmm> skunkworks: and I dont' think one spring clip will hold it =)
[21:34:36] <Tom_L> a tombstone
[21:34:53] <Tom_L> skunkworks that must have been a special one
[21:35:03] <Tom_L> is the center dowelpinned?
[21:35:19] <Tom_L> like a 1" dowel maybe
[21:36:14] <Tom_L> Jymmm alot of them have locating pins on the bottom
[21:36:19] <Tom_L> for pallet changers
[21:36:50] <Jymmm> Tom_L: Ah, and is skunkworks making his own in that pic?
[21:37:04] <Tom_L> he's drilling it out to a grid pattern yes
[21:37:27] <Jymmm> Oh, so modding it
[21:37:34] <Tom_L> yup
[21:37:48] <Jymmm> cool
[21:38:10] <Jymmm> I still don't tink a single spring clip will hold it ;)
[21:38:38] <skunkworks> 1-1/4 dowel pin
[21:39:31] <Tom_L> won't quite fit on that little mill you just modded
[21:41:01] <skunkworks> one drill done...
[21:41:23] <skunkworks> we broke a centering drill - I guess we didn't get it all out of the hole ;
[21:41:25] <skunkworks> ;)
[21:41:32] <Tom_L> heh
[21:41:47] <skunkworks> wonder where the drill dr is...
[21:42:04] <Jymmm> to sharpen???
[21:42:08] <skunkworks> sure
[21:42:38] <skunkworks> that is why you never bottom the drill in the chuck...
[21:42:51] <Jymmm> do tell?
[21:43:09] <Tom_L> no where for the drill to go if you break it and it quits cutting
[21:43:23] <Tom_L> it will push back in the collet instead
[21:43:24] <skunkworks> It stopped drilling - instead of blowing the drill up - it just pushed it back into the chuck
[21:43:45] <Tom_L> ahem... notice i said collet :D
[21:43:53] <skunkworks> sure - either way
[21:44:05] <Tom_L> a little more grip
[21:44:25] <Jymmm> Good to know
[21:44:39] <Tom_L> more surface contact
[21:45:22] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[21:46:14] <Jymmm> skunkworks: cast them in acrylic and sell as industrial jelewery
[21:46:45] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I'm semi serious
[21:47:08] <Tom_L> there was a company here that could cast things like dandelions etc in acrylic... i have no idea how they did it
[21:47:11] <Jymmm> a charm on a ballchain necklace
[21:48:06] <Jymmm> Tom_L: dry in baking soda then cast I'd supose
[21:48:18] <Tom_L> no clue
[21:48:44] <Tom_L> the seed pod, not the yellow flower
[21:49:35] <Tom_L> seems like a rather fragile process
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[21:49:43] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com
[21:49:52] <Jymmm> OH, the puffy part, spray with acrylic or hairspray
[21:51:29] <MacGalempsy> good evening
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[21:52:44] <Jymmm> skunkworks: You could have just used a $5 drill from harbor freight ;)
[21:56:33] <skunkworks> I think these sets are from enco - but they seem ok
[21:57:20] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Sorry, I meant $5 corded drill, instead of the K&T =)
[22:00:08] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[22:02:26] <Tom_L> hit something hard
[22:05:08] <skunkworks> the center drill tip that I thought we got out.. ;)
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[22:22:38] <Jymmm> Gawd, that's a sexy piece of wood... https://youtu.be
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