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[04:08:37] <XXCoder> whoooo
[04:08:38] <XXCoder> home
[04:08:51] <XXCoder> snow was so much fun to drive home in.
[04:08:54] <XXCoder> *to
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[04:17:29] <asdfasd1> anyone tried iron plating on copper?
[04:24:43] <gloops> https://www.finishing.com
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[04:43:44] <asdfasd1> thanks but already did search online, Im not looking for links
[04:44:11] <asdfasd1> I have some practical questions
[04:44:57] <asdfasd1> which are not explained anywhere
[04:48:13] <asdfasd1> also the above link is for copper plating, Im looking for iron plating
[04:48:37] <asdfasd1> which is completely different process
[05:00:35] <gloops> no facebook groups for electro plating ? probably a better chance of finding people with those specific skills
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[05:16:04] <jthornton> morning
[05:16:20] <XXCoder> yo
[05:16:31] <XXCoder> the drive home was pretty scary lol
[05:16:35] <XXCoder> lots snow
[05:17:16] <XXCoder> most times its just careful driving, at one of slopes at i-5 I foundered a little and lucky rough edge of snow saved me and i went home fine
[05:20:14] <jthornton> yea if it is slick driving slow is the best bet until you go up a hill then you need the momentum to get up without spinning the tires
[05:25:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:28:57] <XXCoder> i went up few gentle slopes fine, it was just that spot where i had issues
[05:29:11] <XXCoder> it was so slick even idle start caused wheels to spin
[05:29:22] <XXCoder> thankfully rougher snow at edge helped get traction
[05:30:04] <asdfasd1> I dont have facebook, but thanks for the advice, I will check
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[06:19:08] <Deejay> hi
[06:21:15] <jthornton> hi
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[06:36:09] <Tom_L> morning
[06:39:15] <Tom_L> 17�F Hi 37
[06:39:42] <Deejay> 8°C with heavy storm :/
[06:39:53] <XXCoder> 29f, snow storm warning till tomorrow lol
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[06:40:17] <PL7icnc> Good Day
[06:40:42] <PL7icnc> I did Break some Bits this morning
[06:40:59] <PL7icnc> With the Little TestMill
[06:41:26] <Tom_L> too much play in the spindle?
[06:41:26] <PL7icnc> Trapezional LeadScrews and 400W Bosch Motor
[06:41:50] <PL7icnc> Ithink you got it Tom_L
[06:42:14] <PL7icnc> the 6mm and 3,175 bits work
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[06:42:33] <PL7icnc> but the 8mm clamp is the problem
[06:43:13] <Deejay> you killed 8mm bits?
[06:43:40] <PL7icnc> the Centerdrill
[06:44:00] <Deejay> ah
[06:44:06] <Deejay> also killed some of them :D
[06:44:10] <PL7icnc> is there a Problem here with spelling Mistakes as my English is so Bad
[06:44:18] <Deejay> but in a normal drill press
[06:44:51] <PL7icnc> It is Thundery Outside a Big Storm around
[06:45:29] <PL7icnc> i am in Germany
[06:45:37] <Deejay> me 2
[06:45:44] <PL7icnc> Klasse
[06:46:34] <PL7icnc> Ich bin der Lehrer welcher nun die CNC sachne der regierung in Schulen von RLP betreut
[06:47:51] <PL7icnc> Deejay, Es gab einen Lehrer vor mir der dies Betreute ,welcher öfters hier im Chat war!
[06:48:11] <Deejay> ich?
[06:48:20] <PL7icnc> Ja
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[06:50:00] <Deejay> ah
[06:50:50] <Tom_L> IchGuckLive
[06:50:51] <XXCoder> ah ich yeah hes odd but cool guy
[06:50:57] <XXCoder> had great videos but videos is gone now
[06:51:24] <XXCoder> it helped bunch of people apparently, though I could not take the camera motions in his videos.
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[06:52:36] <PL7icnc> XXCoder, i got permission to upload the Videos again
[06:52:52] <XXCoder> that would help bunch of people.
[06:52:57] <PL7icnc> https://www.youtube.com
[06:53:11] <PL7icnc> Its So old stuff
[06:53:53] <PL7icnc> as i stated in December with Stretch,FreeCAD 0.18
[06:54:13] <PL7icnc> Irecived videos of 2.4.5
[06:55:31] <Loetmichel> hey, any bike guys here? i have an old 50cc bike i destroyed a ball bearing in the back wheel. and the broken bits melted into the aluminium hub... do you think i could just dremel out the broken race parts and then set a new bearing in with some kind of "glue" (which one?) and that would hold for a few more years? new hub isnt an option, bike is from 1989, no more spare parts aviable anywhere:
[06:55:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[06:56:53] <XXCoder> maybe use lathe make bigger bore then use bigger bearing?
[06:57:18] <XXCoder> or use new metal cylinder between newly cut surface and bearings
[06:57:32] <XXCoder> both methods would need a lathe
[06:58:13] <XXCoder> it looks like already quite round so it should be lathe-mountable
[06:58:32] <XXCoder> remove the brake disc its even easier
[06:58:32] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: seen the picture? there is not much aluminium left
[06:59:00] <Loetmichel> i doubt even turning it out and pressing in a sleeve to get back to the right diameter would work
[06:59:09] <XXCoder> yeah latter option is better as you create new inside diameter metal
[06:59:17] <XXCoder> maybe
[06:59:28] <PL7icnc> Loetmichel, there are on Normal Standards lower Zize Bearings that you can put steel Frame around
[07:00:19] <Loetmichel> PL7icnc: the problem is that the broken bearing got so hot that its outer race melted partly into the hub
[07:00:43] <Loetmichel> i have to get those bits out before anyting turning or welding new material in there
[07:01:32] <PL7icnc> You can brek the SEAL and then put 3Clamp system pullers in
[07:01:48] <Loetmichel> so i thougt the "least weakening" approach would be to dremel away the race bits with a grinding bit, then see to it to make a new "bearing seat" out of some kind of JBweld or similar
[07:02:14] <Loetmichel> PL7icnc: there is no bearing LEFT to put a puller in
[07:02:18] <XXCoder> weld in volume then lathe it out
[07:02:24] <XXCoder> ?
[07:02:29] <Loetmichel> only small bits of the outer race that are molten into the seat
[07:03:26] <Loetmichel> it got so hot down there that the aluminium bonded with the spacer disk ;)
[07:03:56] <XXCoder> cant use termal differences to crack it out?
[07:04:06] <XXCoder> hot surrounds dry ice alum
[07:04:11] <Loetmichel> ( the silvery part below the seat is actually a spacer made of steel)
[07:04:26] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: have you even looked at the picture?
[07:04:31] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:04:55] <Loetmichel> there is no race in there any more. just small bits that are literally molten into the hub aluminium
[07:05:28] <Loetmichel> 90% of the race is alreay chiseled out
[07:05:44] <XXCoder> yeah was thinking can break em apart by properies of different metal expasion
[07:05:47] <PL7icnc> Question can i run Ubuntu and debian on one HDD
[07:06:12] <XXCoder> linux is pretty good on allowing you to install more than one os
[07:06:16] <XXCoder> so yes I'd say
[07:09:26] <PL7icnc> I better ask in Ubuntu or Debian
[07:09:47] <PL7icnc> XXCoder, what Video woudt you like me to Upload First
[07:10:21] <XXCoder> i dont know, i couldn't follow most of ich's videos
[07:10:29] <XXCoder> gloops: you in?
[07:13:22] <gloops> hi
[07:13:52] <XXCoder> what set of videos from ich did you find helpful?
[07:14:01] <XXCoder> PL7icnc is re-upping videos made by ich.
[07:14:48] <PL7icnc> gloops, https://www.youtube.com
[07:15:16] <PL7icnc> i got more then 500 Videos
[07:15:27] <PL7icnc> but most are for Teatches made
[07:15:40] <PL7icnc> Class lessons
[07:15:42] <gloops> wow thats a fair list
[07:16:05] <XXCoder> class lessons would be great videos also
[07:16:27] <PL7icnc> Does Somone Know if he Has seen the 4th axis Mashine Running He constructed
[07:16:30] <gloops> i found the basic breakout board wiring, stepper motors, chinese spindle wiring helpful - but thats what i was building, im sure theyre all helpful to people doing those things
[07:16:53] <PL7icnc> let me look
[07:17:11] <XXCoder> PL7icnc: playlists would be very helpful
[07:19:06] <gloops> like the blender one for basque relief - i was looking for that
[07:19:13] <PL7icnc> the Limitswiches Video i found
[07:20:08] <gloops> anything like that, someone was asking about switches the other day - very useful to point them to a vid
[07:23:19] <PL7icnc> What Shoudt it Say in First line to get attanchen
[07:23:25] <PL7icnc> Mach3 Interface
[07:23:43] <PL7icnc> BreakOutBoard
[07:23:53] <PL7icnc> CNC Cointroller
[07:24:01] <gloops> yes Mach 3 BOB (breakout board)
[07:24:17] <gloops> there were some on drivers, TB6600
[07:24:38] <gloops> if i had any problem with anything i would always check Ichs youtube channel first
[07:25:57] <PL7icnc> I try my Best to Find it
[07:26:02] <PL7icnc> there are not Named
[07:27:47] <XXCoder> ultimate goal is to upload em all I guess
[07:29:40] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com that one, loads of people are trying to wire those up every week
[07:31:32] <PL7icnc> glooopy subscribed
[07:31:49] <PL7icnc> i uploaded the Limit switch
[07:32:28] <gloops> yeah i subscribed thanks, got to go out in a minute but will check back later - if anyone asks ill point them to the channel if thats ok?
[07:32:29] <PL7icnc> gloops, I guess more Arduino CNC ones and estlcam
[07:32:40] <PL7icnc> im also Off Here
[07:32:40] <gloops> yes arduino is more popular now
[07:32:56] <PL7icnc> Its very fast and it Workes
[07:33:02] <PL7icnc> no setup
[07:33:08] <PL7icnc> Windows
[07:33:47] <gloops> a lot of the young ones know a bit of arduino anyway, they learn it in school - so theyre more likely to use it for cnc i guess
[07:34:10] <PL7icnc> Upload limit -> https://www.youtube.com
[07:34:46] <PL7icnc> im off Here
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[07:34:52] <gloops> very helpful for newbies - its easy stuff, but only when you know how lol
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[08:41:07] <Loetmichel> hihi, $me just got the letter with the speeding ticket. 41kph in a 30kph zone... 25 eur... thats a ticket i can live with... the automatic speed cam is evil though. it sits on half way down a steep slope looking up. I was on 30kph cruise control. Sadly the cruise control ceases to work if it cant hold the desired speed with switching down one gear. looked at the speed cam" ah, i am slow
[08:41:08] <Loetmichel> enough." Looking at the speedo:"Oh, i am not!" *flash* :-)
[08:49:17] <XXCoder> lol
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[10:10:15] <Tom_L> Loetmichel, maybe that's why the hub is fried :)
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[10:26:42] <sensille> can linuxcnc rotate the coordinate system in x/y? could a probe a workpiece that not exactly aligned to the axis and rotate the program?
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[10:30:21] <jthornton> yea
[10:30:45] <sensille> that's great
[10:32:03] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[10:32:10] <jthornton> look at sheet alignment
[10:32:31] <jthornton> you can adapt that to a probe routine
[10:36:07] <sensille> thanks
[10:36:37] <sensille> i really have to dive deeper into linuxcnc
[10:45:02] * JT-Shop is off till tomorrow
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[11:10:56] <jym> Who needs expensive PLC's... https://www.aliexpress.com
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[11:17:30] <sensille> how often do the g38.x commands probe? before each (micro)step?
[11:22:30] <gambakufu> probably every 1ms (or whatever your servo thread is).
[11:28:01] <sensille> so it's not done in the realtime part?
[11:30:36] <sensille> i've found an architecture overview with emcmot, emcio and emctask
[11:31:25] <sensille> limit switches are within emcmot, so i'd expect the probe to be there also
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[11:34:50] <gambakufu> the servo thread is realtime
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[11:37:17] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com
[11:37:20] <SpeedEvil> How Hard It Is To Push Nail into Wood? | Hydraulic Press Test!
[11:39:20] <gregcnc> Roycroft is probably shoveling his roof?
[11:40:41] <gloops> some of Ichs videos have been put back on youtube https://www.youtube.com
[11:41:22] <gambakufu> a lot of systems run without a base thread, so it stands to reason that homing and probing are done in the servo thread. I believe only stuff like software stepping are done in the fast thread.
[11:48:17] <sensille> i'm still a bit at a loss how to learn about all those things. just read the 700+ pages documentation?
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[11:53:22] <gambakufu> can't tell you. I'm still new to this myself...
[11:53:56] <gambakufu> looking through the source might be helpful, too.
[11:54:49] <sensille> in another project i'm developing an fpga-based motion control board. i hope those two interests can merge someday :)
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[12:03:05] <gambakufu> for example:
[12:03:07] <gambakufu> probe-input is a pin created in motion.c https://github.com
[12:03:13] <gambakufu> which is used for probing by process_probe_inputs in control.c https://github.com
[12:03:19] <gambakufu> which is called by emcmotController which is actually the function "motion-controller" which is exposed in https://github.com
[12:03:26] <gambakufu> which is added in (my) hal file to the servo thread: addf motion-controller servo-thread
[12:03:41] <gambakufu> so now we both know that probing is indeed done in the servo thread :)
[12:04:23] <sensille> thanks :)
[12:04:59] <sensille> so it means it is probes once per 1ms, which in turn means i have to go quite slowly to get good accuracy
[12:06:03] <gambakufu> yes. though 1ms is still 1000 times a second...
[12:06:21] <gambakufu> so it really depends on what you define as accurate and what you define as slow.
[12:07:01] <gambakufu> I'm using a modified xcarve so my definition of "accurate" is, well... :)
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[12:13:39] <gambakufu> by the way, the fpga mesa cards have support for recording exact encoder-count when probe is tripped, but that functionality hasn't been exposed to linuxcnc since it's apparently not a straight forward as one would think. funnily enough, I was just asking/was told about this today.
[12:14:21] <gambakufu> so you can have a look at the hostmot2 fpga code, which is open source
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[12:15:00] <sensille> so are you setting setting up probing, too? or do you have higher goal?
[12:16:38] <gambakufu> no, I was reading the source to better understand homing and just came by the probing by chance...
[12:17:38] <sensille> i guess homing has the same restrictions
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[12:46:47] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: i fail to see what the car accelerating while under cruise control has to do with my 50cc moped at all?
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[13:06:02] <CNC_Brian> Guy's,
[13:06:17] <CNC_Brian> Trying to write a python gui
[13:06:41] <CNC_Brian> Is there any way to monitor what commands python is sending linuxcnc
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[13:30:35] <jym> CNC_Brian: http://linuxcnc.org
[13:32:06] <CNC_Brian> Hi yes I am reading this, having problems homing linuxcnc via python
[13:32:37] <CNC_Brian> Not sure it its my code, so wanted to get a view of linux cnc state independent of python
[13:33:09] <jym> Use HAL???
[13:33:37] <CNC_Brian> Im not getting on very well with Hal scope
[13:34:09] <CNC_Brian> Is there a way to just dump the state to a terminal
[13:35:16] <CNC_Brian> On axis there is a status window.
[13:36:46] <jym> http://linuxcnc.org
[13:37:48] <jym> There's also "axis-remote" on that same page too
[13:38:10] <CNC_Brian> Thanks will have a play
[13:38:37] <jym> yoou might want to read/skim that entire page
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[13:44:49] <CNC_Brian> This is for the Axis GUI
[13:45:16] <CNC_Brian> I have written my own and already started linuxcnc with an ini file
[13:46:29] <CNC_Brian> Ive been using axis for 3 year. Its fine but not pretty. Im writing a customer one in the style of PP
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[14:00:39] <fragalot> insulating my laundry room.. "I'll just buy some PUR panels so I don't have to deal with itchy rockwool or glass fibre"
[14:00:49] <fragalot> near the end, everything stings anyway
[14:00:59] <fragalot> check the packaging: "Glass fibre reinforced"
[14:01:10] <fragalot> >.>
[14:01:32] <jym> lol
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[14:11:34] <miss0r> 'evening
[14:11:42] <fragalot> hi
[14:11:52] <miss0r> hello
[14:12:00] <miss0r> How's it hangin'?
[14:12:27] <fragalot> slightly to the left
[14:12:42] <fragalot> you?
[14:12:45] <miss0r> most righthanders get it stretched that way...
[14:12:47] <miss0r> same
[14:13:17] <miss0r> if only it was big enough to actualy hang... :)
[14:14:04] <miss0r> I'm beginning to land quite a few cool little land rover related parts
[14:14:14] <miss0r> machining stuff ect.
[14:14:20] <fragalot> nice :)
[14:14:49] <miss0r> I just drew up two bushings I have to make, so a ford V8 distributor can be fitted to the rover V8
[14:14:53] <fragalot> im doing some bushings for a 911 atm
[14:14:59] <miss0r> apparently, that makes it suck slightly less
[14:15:01] <miss0r> nice
[14:15:23] <miss0r> how did that happen?
[14:16:01] <fragalot> because I bought one
[14:16:03] <fragalot> (lol no)
[14:16:07] <miss0r> hehe
[14:16:16] <fragalot> guy I sold my welder to restores 'm but doesn't have a lathe
[14:16:27] <miss0r> ahh. that is a nice connection
[14:16:47] <fragalot> indeed
[14:16:48] <miss0r> I guess you could end up landing quite a few small odd jobs there
[14:17:26] <fragalot> yup, only issue is that he lives almost 2hrs away
[14:17:49] <miss0r> and he does not know how to take measurements and email them to you?
[14:18:06] <fragalot> I'm about to find out if he can take measurements when I send this part back :D
[14:18:41] <miss0r> hehe
[14:18:53] <miss0r> lemme see some pictures:D
[14:19:13] <miss0r> if needed I can send you a picture of my doodle on a piece of paper
[14:19:15] <miss0r> :D
[14:19:25] <fragalot> its literally a brass piece with a hole in it
[14:19:57] <miss0r> I'd like to get an idea of what surface finish you can acomplish
[14:20:08] <miss0r> NO SCOTCHBRITE ALLOWED :D
[14:20:31] <fragalot> in decent material.. mediocre :)
[14:20:46] <miss0r> :]
[14:21:00] * miss0r is watching merlin on netflix..
[14:21:13] <fragalot> the new star trek season has started
[14:21:14] <miss0r> B-series, but I find it enjoyable anyway
[14:21:22] <miss0r> I'm not sure how I feel about that
[14:21:28] <fragalot> I liked the previous one
[14:21:28] <miss0r> the new star trek..
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[14:22:04] <miss0r> sadly, time have tought me we have a somewhat simular taste in series...
[14:22:11] <miss0r> so, I guess I'll give it a shot
[14:22:16] <fragalot> lol
[14:23:44] <miss0r> so ah.. what is that bushing of yours for?
[14:23:51] <fragalot> absolutely no idea
[14:24:18] <miss0r> excellent :) I'm thinking gear box..
[14:24:28] <miss0r> I don't realy see where else on a 911 that would be
[14:26:04] <fragalot> for all I know it's just a random piece he wants me to make before he asks anything else
[14:26:34] <miss0r> okay.. then scotchbrite it.. :D
[14:26:43] <fragalot> lol
[14:28:39] <miss0r> a goblin is loose at camalot... haha
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[14:38:50] <beachbumpete1> Hey guys happy Saturday :)
[14:40:17] <miss0r> you too
[14:40:36] <beachbumpete1> any of you guys have CNC Vinyl Plotters?
[14:40:54] <fragalot> my mum does
[14:41:12] <beachbumpete1> I just bought one from a friend
[14:41:20] <beachbumpete1> its pretty cool
[14:41:34] <beachbumpete1> but it came with a cheap PC that has the software for it on it
[14:41:49] <beachbumpete1> and I have to setup a whole desktop system just to use the machine
[14:41:54] <fragalot> lol
[14:41:57] <beachbumpete1> was wanting to use my laptop
[14:43:43] <beachbumpete1> so I was trying to find some cheap/free software to use for it
[14:43:57] <beachbumpete1> apparently there is something called InkCut for Inkscape
[14:44:00] <miss0r> I think you can download some from rolanddg
[14:44:20] <beachbumpete1> oh yeah?
[14:44:25] <miss0r> The older ones they sold now has free software
[14:44:40] <asdfasd1> anyone did iron electroplating on copper?
[14:44:44] <beachbumpete1> unfortunately the inkcut does not have windows support yet
[14:44:46] <miss0r> Not promising anything thing. I just think that is the case
[14:44:57] <beachbumpete1> Rolanddg?
[14:45:25] <miss0r> Roland Digital Group
[14:45:41] <miss0r> http://download.rolanddg.jp
[14:45:44] <miss0r> see if any of that can work
[14:47:24] <miss0r> adope illustrator or corel draw it seems
[14:48:12] <beachbumpete1> I cannot even find a name on this machine it is chinese I am sure but it seems to cut well with their software
[14:48:17] <miss0r> perhaps you can find a version of roland cut studio and get that to work somehow
[14:48:33] <miss0r> A realy good start would be to figure out what machine it is
[14:48:39] <beachbumpete1> I got some of the transfer paper the other day and I am anxious to try to make some cool stickers hehehe
[14:49:13] <jym> miss0r: Corel Draw has beena standard in the engraving industry
[14:49:47] <miss0r> Indeed. I think that should support a cutter very well
[14:50:51] <jym> miss0r: do you have corel?
[14:50:59] <miss0r> jym: Nope
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[14:51:06] <beachbumpete1> the only sticker on the machine says Vinyl express R series II
[14:51:10] <miss0r> I used it a little over a decade ago
[14:51:15] <miss0r> but that is it
[14:51:15] <beachbumpete1> I don't have corel either
[14:51:26] <jym> miss0r: Corel Draw 14 was the lst version that it didn't "phone home"
[14:51:32] <jym> last*
[14:52:18] <jym> miss0r: and can run on XP
[14:52:50] <miss0r> I seem to recall running it on linux
[14:53:12] <jym> Linux version is WAY back like around version 9
[14:53:23] <miss0r> I told you it was a long time ago :)
[14:53:41] <beachbumpete1> Sheeit
[14:54:00] <jym> miss0r: but we have virtual mashines these days =)
[14:54:06] <beachbumpete1> I did not pay that much for the machine WITH the computer and a bunch of extra vinyl and other stuff
[14:54:09] <miss0r> ye ye ye... :)
[14:54:14] <miss0r> I didn't have that back then
[14:54:43] <beachbumpete1> but I dont know if I can remove the software from the PC somehow and put it on the desktop
[14:56:05] <miss0r> beachbumpete1: If it is of newer date, it can be hard
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[14:57:50] <miss0r> anyway. off to bed, tomorrow is another working day..
[14:58:01] <miss0r> (if you are selfemployed theres no days off
[14:58:02] <miss0r> )
[14:58:14] <jym> miss0r: you might google "roland inkscape" and see what people might be doing too
[15:01:17] <beachbumpete1> ok thanks guys I thought sure there would be an open source something for this
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[16:37:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scorchworks.com
[16:39:17] <CaptHindsight> beachbumpete1: ^^
[16:40:45] <CaptHindsight> he even has a tool for engraving a g-code file onto a non-flat surface
[16:44:14] <gloops> all the cam apps on there work
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[17:27:41] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:19:39] <beachbumpete1> CaptHindsight: Hey man I am sorry I missed this. I fell asleep on the couch watching videos on youtube LOL
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[18:21:26] <beachbumpete1> Not sure if those programs work for vinyl plotters seems like they are for lasers no?
[18:23:34] <CaptHindsight> he has both
[18:23:44] <CaptHindsight> laser and mill/cutter
[18:25:49] <beachbumpete1> I see the laser and Milling as well but the vinyl plotter uses a drag knife setup and is more like a pen plotter not sure if that is usable for this machine or not.
[18:26:41] <CaptHindsight> possibly along with a text editor
[18:27:08] <CaptHindsight> pen plotter is like a laser
[18:27:28] <CaptHindsight> only without the laser intensity g-code
[18:28:08] <CaptHindsight> I've modified the scorthcworks tools to work with a cnc airbrush
[18:28:37] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com
[18:28:53] <CaptHindsight> https://i.imgur.com
[18:29:15] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc
[18:29:53] <beachbumpete1> CNC Airbrush? Now I have seen everything LOL
[18:31:16] <beachbumpete1> the vinyl cutter has to have the proper lead ins to allow the cuts to be correct to orient the drag knife not sure if that is possible with this program. They sure do look like they are capable tho. I was thinking of adding a small laser to my 3d core XY printer at some point
[18:32:31] * JT-Mobile updates the laptop while at the casino lol
[18:33:03] <CaptHindsight> beachbumpete1: cnc airbrush to add graphics to 3d parts like a painball gun or an AR etc
[18:33:15] <CaptHindsight> heh paintball
[18:33:29] <CaptHindsight> painball is only when you get hit
[18:34:21] <CaptHindsight> airbrush can get into areas that an inkjet can't reach https://ibin.co
[18:35:54] <beachbumpete1> My kids just got me hooked on these high performance airsoft guns LOL. We just ordered an AR M4 clone that looked interesting and I am TRYING to NOT order an airsoft sniper rifle for myself hehehehe
[18:40:41] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com CNC Inkjet
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[18:41:14] <CaptHindsight> ^^ actually as an anodize
[18:43:11] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com 5-axis inkjet
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[18:45:32] <beachbumpete1> WOW
[18:50:53] <JT-Mobile> which airsoft sniper rifle are you looking at?
[18:51:42] <XXCoder> 5 axis waterjet. interesrting lol
[18:54:10] <beachbumpete1> I dunno I kinda like the M40 clones but I also like the L96 ones most likely spring piston because I am used to that with my spring piston competition air rifles.
[18:54:51] <CaptHindsight> saw this earlier https://imgur.com
[18:54:59] <CaptHindsight> DIY machine gun
[18:55:13] <XXCoder> lol
[18:55:19] <JT-Mobile> I'm looking at this https://www.gamousa.com
[18:57:31] <beachbumpete1> To be honest with you if you want a REALLY nice airgun there are better options. I am new to this airsoft thing but I am very familiar with quality airguns of all sorts.
[18:58:18] <beachbumpete1> Gamo are made in spain or china and while they are not terrible there are far better airguns available from several manufacturers.
[18:58:40] <JT-Mobile> I know you know air guns what are some better ones?
[18:58:43] <CaptHindsight> beachbumpete1: are the crazy graphics still popular for airguns?
[18:59:30] <beachbumpete1> https://www.krale.shop This is a little known back door to be able to purchase a FANTASTIC air rifle for a great price. This particular rifle is extremely well made and highly accurate for its power plant
[18:59:59] <beachbumpete1> That rifle in USA is typically more than $600.00 plus shipping
[19:00:26] <jym> CaptHindsight: but but but, what about when the battery dies? Do rounds get stuck in the chamber?
[19:00:37] <beachbumpete1> It is also the same basic rifle I used to nearly win a national championsip in Field Target a few years back. I tied for fourth place amongst about 200 shooters from around the country.
[19:00:51] <JT-Mobile> wow it comes in .25 caliber
[19:00:58] <beachbumpete1> Had I been a better shot I would have won but the rifle does not disappoint.
[19:01:18] <beachbumpete1> yes it does but my recommendation is NOT to buy it in the larger calibers.
[19:01:35] <JT-Mobile> .177?
[19:01:37] <beachbumpete1> actually this rifle is SWEET in .177 in 12ftlbs power level.
[19:02:12] <beachbumpete1> with a quality airgun scope on it you will be hard pressed to find a better more accurate spring piston rifle ANYWHERE for ANY price.
[19:02:34] <JT-Mobile> thanks
[19:02:57] <beachbumpete1> no problem. I actually have the HW77 model here it is its older brother LOL
[19:03:14] <beachbumpete1> both are super nice and best part is they are built to last.
[19:03:21] <beachbumpete1> all wood and metal
[19:03:36] <beachbumpete1> great trigger
[19:03:56] <JT-Mobile> what is a good air gun scope?
[19:04:01] <beachbumpete1> I will be ordering another HW97 myself here soon if I dont buy that damn airsoft sniper rifle LOL
[19:04:10] <JT-Mobile> lol
[19:04:42] <beachbumpete1> CaptHindsight: crazy graphics are always fun on competition rifles.
[19:05:07] <beachbumpete1> I want to cut some damn stickers on this vinyl plotter for my van that are airgun related
[19:05:53] <Wolf__> wonder how my HR-81 stacks up to that thing
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[19:06:44] <beachbumpete1> Whats an HR81?
[19:07:10] <Wolf__> looks like this https://www.pyramydair.com
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[19:08:07] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: did you guys gets snowed in today?
[19:08:21] <XXCoder> nah I drove home fine
[19:08:26] <XXCoder> mostly fine anyway lol
[19:08:39] <beachbumpete1> That looks like an interesting rifle.
[19:08:57] <beachbumpete1> since it is made in UK and has a Walther barrel I would guess it is probably quite good.
[19:09:18] <Wolf__> mines USA stamped
[19:09:45] <beachbumpete1> The HW97 I just suggested to JT is made in Germany but its closest competitor is the Air Arms TX200 and it is also a fantastic rifle.
[19:10:19] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com CNC hole saw
[19:10:30] <beachbumpete1> ah I see just reading that article it said it was DESIGNED in UK but licensed to Benjamin Sheridan
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[19:12:33] <beachbumpete1> JT-Mobile: there are many good scopes but since the rifle is spring piston you need to buy a scope that is rated for the unique reverse recoil of a spring piston rifle.
[19:12:49] <beachbumpete1> Fortunately a LOT of modern scopes are built that way nowadays
[19:13:00] <JT-Mobile> nice to know
[19:13:10] <beachbumpete1> Simmons has a several airgun rated scopes that are decent.
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[19:14:27] <beachbumpete1> My rifle is using a FT scope from Aeon it is a 10-50x60 but that is for a particualar competition purpose. for general airgun shooting/hunting and target practice a 6-16 or 4-12 would be fine.
[19:14:28] <Wolf__> yeah, figure out fast that older scopes cant handle it when the reticle falls out
[19:15:22] <beachbumpete1> Wolf__: its funny how many people buy spring airguns and a nice scope and start shooting and cant hit the broad side of the barn and stop shooting or sell the gun because they thing the gun is the problem.
[19:15:39] <Wolf__> lol
[19:16:09] <Wolf__> more to shooting then putting the cross hairs on target and jerking the trigger
[19:17:30] <Wolf__> like my friend found out, “try shooting this rifle, I think my ammo is bad, it wont hold a group” https://i.imgur.com (@ 200yrs)
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[19:18:02] <beachbumpete1> https://i.imgur.com This is what a QUALITY HW97 spring piston competition rifle setup can look like.
[19:19:05] <beachbumpete1> https://i.imgur.com Here's another one but this is a different but very similar rilfe called the Walther LGU
[19:19:29] <JT-Mobile> wow
[19:20:01] <gloops> ive got an old hw77, underlever
[19:20:28] <beachbumpete1> gloops FANTASTIC!
[19:20:32] <beachbumpete1> I have one too
[19:20:40] <beachbumpete1> its the earlier 25mm piston type
[19:21:06] <gloops> i had it in an outhouse for shooting rats, its still mechanically sound but needs restoring really
[19:21:46] <beachbumpete1> do you agree they are very well built rifles?
[19:22:22] <gloops> oh yeah, old faithful, never had any trouble with it really, although had it to bits a few times heh
[19:22:53] <gloops> not even sure what scope is on it - ill take a couple of photos tommorrow
[19:23:03] <beachbumpete1> https://i.imgur.com
[19:23:14] <beachbumpete1> are you in UK?
[19:23:32] <gloops> yeah im in the UK - mine doesnt look like that lol
[19:24:11] <gloops> it killed rabbits, had rats at 30 yards or so, pheasants
[19:24:14] <beachbumpete1> its funny in the USA people dont really even know about these fantastic airguns for the most part unless they are fairly serious into the hobby
[19:24:47] <gloops> i never got into charged air guns, all mine were spring
[19:24:52] <beachbumpete1> My hw97 I hunted rabbits and squirrels in Tennessee with and I stopped because it felt like they did not have a chance LOL
[19:24:58] <beachbumpete1> I actually felt guitly
[19:25:16] <beachbumpete1> I could hit them with headshots easily out to 50 or 60 yards
[19:25:48] <beachbumpete1> I have had quite a few precharged guns but in my heart I am a springer guy.
[19:25:49] <gloops> yeah, i had a couple of different lamps for mine, one mounted on the gun, was easy work with rabbits, i dont go walking at night these days though
[19:26:07] <beachbumpete1> there is just something so sweet about grabbing JUST the gun and a tin of pellets and going outside to shoot
[19:26:44] <beachbumpete1> these top level spring piston guns actually rival the accuracy of the PCP rifles when setup correctly
[19:26:53] <gloops> thats it yeah, i had a camo jacket with a handful of pellets in the pocket, all you needed to do was pick the gun up and youre away
[19:26:56] <beachbumpete1> but no hoses and gauges and tanks and refilling etc etc etc
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[19:27:16] <beachbumpete1> they really are airgun nirvana I think
[19:27:37] <beachbumpete1> I can shoot in my house or in my backyard, nearly silent
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[19:28:23] <beachbumpete1> on a calm day I can get 1/2 inch groups at 55 yards when I do my part
[19:28:31] <gloops> my hw77 gives a soft but distinct whistle to the pellet, dont know if thats common to them all or not
[19:29:06] <beachbumpete1> mine is just a light pop and then at the target
[19:29:36] <beachbumpete1> living in UK you are actually in Field Target paradise man
[19:29:44] <beachbumpete1> the sport was literally born there
[19:29:54] <gloops> like if there were 2 or 3 of us firing you could tell the difference from the other air rifles
[19:29:55] <beachbumpete1> now they shoot all around the world
[19:30:27] <gloops> it is crawling with rabbits round here lol, the younger generation dont bother with them
[19:30:38] <beachbumpete1> There is actually a competition local shoot in arcadia Florida tomorrow but my rifle is not yet ready so I am not going unfortunately
[19:31:04] <gloops> the blokes i used to go with are either dead or dont bother any more
[19:31:22] <beachbumpete1> I cant think of a more perfect rabbit hunting rifle than what you have LOL
[19:31:26] <gloops> anyway bedtime here, happy shooting lol
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[19:31:36] <beachbumpete1> You too goodnight
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[19:36:58] <beachbumpete1> Apparently there is a program called inkcut for inkscape that can run a vinyl cutter/plotter but it only works in Linux
[19:37:10] <beachbumpete1> my laptop is Windows 8
[19:37:27] <XXCoder> does it export gcode?
[19:37:38] <beachbumpete1> supposedly Inkscape has added this functionality to the Inkscape program
[19:37:38] <XXCoder> if so maybe can just run on older pc with linux then move over
[19:37:46] <beachbumpete1> but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to use it
[19:38:01] <beachbumpete1> well that is actually what I have here
[19:38:27] <beachbumpete1> the machine came with an inexpensive business desktop from dell with the software loaded
[19:38:34] <XXCoder> found a tutorial
[19:38:54] <beachbumpete1> I would LIKE to remove the software from that PC and install it on my laptop but I am not sure if that is possible
[19:38:59] <CaptHindsight> https://i.imgur.com nice automation
[19:39:43] <beachbumpete1> I don't think you could get me to stick my head in that machine LOL
[19:39:53] <XXCoder> bah! it just shows setup not using inkscape itself to setup cutting
[19:40:44] <beachbumpete1> there is not much doccumentation about the cut extension that I can find
[19:40:50] <CaptHindsight> most of the g-code inkscape plugins require a bit of learning
[19:41:04] <CaptHindsight> not intuitive and the instructions are rarely accurate
[19:41:19] <beachbumpete1> IF I could get it to work inside windows this one looks not too bad really.
[19:41:25] <CaptHindsight> after wasting several hours some actually do almost work
[19:41:31] <beachbumpete1> Nothing super precise about vinyl stickers
[19:41:52] <XXCoder> beachbumpete1: did you research Plot function? that apparently can run cutter machines
[19:42:17] <beachbumpete1> yes that is the built in extension apparently but I cannot find ANYTHING about it in the program
[19:42:37] <XXCoder> just found extensions. didnt know it existed lol
[19:43:04] <beachbumpete1> my extensions is pretty bare
[19:43:11] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: this is the weather we get around here https://i.imgur.com
[19:43:25] <XXCoder> clouuuuds of doooom
[19:43:54] <beachbumpete1> HOLY shit what is that an abominable snowman in the sky?
[19:44:33] <XXCoder> gcodetools is develpped to make simple gcode from inkscape's paths
[19:44:34] <XXCoder> nice
[19:44:55] <beachbumpete1> http://libregraphicsworld.org
[19:48:50] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: sure but it takes a bit of practice to get the setting to make sane g-code
[19:49:22] <XXCoder> yeah havent even succeed on exporting gcode lol will look into it more
[19:50:52] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: those airbrush pics all used those tools
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[19:51:20] <CaptHindsight> i was trying to find all open tools vs NX or Mastercam
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[20:10:15] <jym> NX ???
[20:13:34] <CaptHindsight> jym: https://youtu.be
[20:17:42] <jym> CaptHindsight: Oh that can't be cheap
[20:17:47] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:18:21] <jym> Maybe $13 or $15 USD at the most
[20:18:50] <XXCoder> in 1770s if such thing ecxisted maybe LOL
[20:18:59] <XXCoder> *existed back then
[20:19:59] <CaptHindsight> $8k and up
[20:20:04] <jym> Got some tire chains today, kinda cool
[20:20:14] <CaptHindsight> $40k ish for everything
[20:20:34] <jym> CaptHindsight: KBB price?
[20:21:15] <XXCoder> 1775 $15 is $489.17 now, so sorry $15 in 1775 money still isnt enough LOL
[20:22:01] <jym> https://www.youtube.com
[20:22:09] <CaptHindsight> NX12450 (CAD/CAM 3 Axis Milling) Node Locked = $18,400 +$3,700 / year
[20:23:07] <jym> No having to lay them out, them drove over them
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[22:01:31] <CaptHindsight> Saturday night is not a good time to ask but does anyone recall the link to the latest GUI work JT and Hazzy are working on?
[22:02:14] <hazzy-m> QtPyVCP.kcjengr.com
[22:02:43] <CaptHindsight> heh staying in tonight?:)
[22:03:01] <CaptHindsight> thanks
[22:03:45] * hazzy-m is on mobile :)
[22:04:12] <CaptHindsight> ahah
[22:05:04] <CaptHindsight> hazzy-m: are the showcase demos working demos or just artwork?
[22:05:43] <CaptHindsight> and please define VCP
[22:06:00] <CaptHindsight> virtual control panels?
[22:08:52] <hazzy-m> Mostly working (JT and I are running our machines with them), and yes virtual control panel
[22:13:17] <norias> hmm
[22:24:53] <norias> i should just become an importer of benchtop cnc mills
[22:26:32] <CaptHindsight> and write new GUIs, Knows what you are doing, clueless and oh god don't hurt yourself levels
[22:28:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shopbottools.com $42,380
[22:29:15] <Tom_L> yeah i bookmarked it as well
[22:29:40] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[22:31:43] <CaptHindsight> demo video features chattering plastic, worse than nails on chalkboards
[22:32:50] <CaptHindsight> wow, DOS or windows CNC controller for 5-axis
[22:33:17] <jym> CaptHindsight: TurboCNC (DOS) does 8 axis
[22:33:29] <XXCoder> video uses autovomit vide smoother
[22:33:29] <XXCoder> ugh
[22:33:34] <CaptHindsight> 5-axis router that can't rigid thread
[22:34:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dakeng.com
[22:34:59] <XXCoder> it says its best open source cnc controller
[22:35:01] <XXCoder> dunno
[22:35:21] <XXCoder> its... open source and shareware.
[22:35:43] <CaptHindsight> do you see the source repo anywhere?
[22:37:17] <Tom_L> http://www.dakeng.com
[22:37:40] <XXCoder> wow, new concept. closed opensource
[22:38:12] <XXCoder> wonder what arcive password is lol
[22:38:15] <jym> more like shareware
[22:39:28] <CaptHindsight> https://www.google.com
[22:40:58] <CaptHindsight> written in Pascal
[22:41:07] <CaptHindsight> from 2005
[22:41:27] <XXCoder> yeh source seems tp stop at 2005
[22:41:39] <XXCoder> linuxcnc is ... bit more recent on latest. lol
[22:41:48] <jym> IT's faster that lcnc
[22:41:50] <CaptHindsight> yes, closed open
[22:42:09] <CaptHindsight> jym: faster how?
[22:42:19] <jym> It's open source, just not FOSS
[22:42:36] <CaptHindsight> fits on a lighter floppy?
[22:42:44] <jym> 120IPM vs 70IPM
[22:42:56] <Tom_L> http://www.dakeng.com
[22:42:57] <jym> rapids
[22:43:02] <Tom_L> source directory of the zips are empty
[22:43:06] <jym> Yes, it runs from a floppy
[22:43:15] <CaptHindsight> I didn't know that LCNC tops out at 70IPM
[22:43:28] <jym> for me it does
[22:43:41] <Tom_L> naw
[22:43:47] <CaptHindsight> do i have to go back and make my settings slower now that you have told me?
[22:44:02] <jym> I siad for me, on my gear it does.
[22:44:04] <Tom_L> absolutely, you're in grave danger
[22:44:17] <CaptHindsight> damn, why did you tell me
[22:44:26] <jym> you asked?
[22:44:33] <CaptHindsight> thanks friend
[22:44:42] <XXCoder> website trademark is at 2017
[22:44:46] <jym> Truth hurts??? lol
[22:44:48] <XXCoder> guys not even updating website anymore
[22:45:13] <CaptHindsight> well they are waiting for mach and LCNC to catch up
[22:45:27] <XXCoder> funny thing is "last uypdate" is 2015 but trademark is at 2017. umm
[22:46:41] <jym> Anyhow, it works for me
[22:47:05] <XXCoder> why you in this channel then?
[22:47:11] <CaptHindsight> I recall working with a real time winders kernel back in 1995 or so
[22:48:33] <jdh> real time kernel that ran windows as a task?
[22:49:00] <CaptHindsight> https://www.intervalzero.com
[22:49:06] <CaptHindsight> maybe was RTX
[22:49:06] <norias> sounds like a dave cutler thing
[22:49:22] <jdh> vms was a dave cutler thing, so obvs he rocks
[22:49:51] <norias> windows nt = vms 6
[22:50:56] <jdh> I have some vms 5.3 boxes running
[22:51:41] <jdh> can't upgrade them because they wouldn't be able to talk to the PDP-11's then.
[22:52:50] <hazzy-m> LinuxCNC was originaly developed and run on windows NT with a real time patch
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[22:53:50] <CaptHindsight> think RTX back then was ~5uS for shortest period
[22:54:12] <hazzy-m> there are still a lot of machines that run on old real time windows systems, Boss and Romi to name a few
[22:54:35] <CaptHindsight> this was win98 and the 486 just came out
[22:56:21] <CaptHindsight> sorry, Am5x86, ran at 133 MHz and was released by AMD in 1995
[22:56:25] <hazzy-m> I tried to install the LCNC stretch ISO on a i486 500MHz dell inspiron with 500MB ran a few days ago, the install failed, LOL
[22:57:50] <CaptHindsight> try and older version of LCNC
[22:58:14] <Tom_L> what about wheezy?
[22:58:29] <CaptHindsight> you might have to go back further
[22:58:39] <CaptHindsight> have to check the kernel
[22:58:55] <Tom_L> and miss so many new features? i think not :D
[22:59:18] <CaptHindsight> the devs talked about this a few years ago, some people still use 386's for their machines
[23:00:34] <jym> BDI
[23:01:13] <jym> BDI should run on a 486 iirc
[23:06:31] <jym> http://www.yty.net
[23:08:31] <CaptHindsight> the wind shifted, now the shop is getting drafty
[23:09:03] <XXCoder> lol https://www.youtube.com
[23:09:37] <XXCoder> olvipusly popular spot for such action!
[23:15:42] <CaptHindsight> jym: so win10 for CNC is where it's at now huh
[23:17:54] <CaptHindsight> jym: are all the PID's moved out to a microcontroller over USB back to the win10 box?
[23:19:01] <CaptHindsight> so non-rt, UI, trajectory planner in the win10 box and PID's out near the motors and encoders?
[23:20:37] <CaptHindsight> i don't mind as long as the microcontrollers are ST or by NXP, just not Atmel or Micropics
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[23:25:28] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be
[23:26:07] <XXCoder> weird
[23:26:12] <XXCoder> part spins but not collet?
[23:27:11] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be
[23:27:34] <CaptHindsight> SwissNano
[23:27:51] <XXCoder> we have a swiss latge at work
[23:27:59] <XXCoder> its amazing so many tools
[23:28:20] <XXCoder> and it has ability to trabsfer to other side so can work on other side without user
[23:28:35] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be like this one?
[23:29:03] <XXCoder> similiar
[23:29:25] <XXCoder> its interesting is that machine dont use standard white coolant
[23:29:28] <XXCoder> it uses oil only
[23:29:55] <CaptHindsight> racist CNC?
[23:29:55] <XXCoder> we have seperate chips bins in order to extract oil, which is I guess very expensive
[23:30:13] <XXCoder> huh?
[23:30:36] <CaptHindsight> white coolant
[23:30:52] <JT-Mobile> I'd hate to program them
[23:31:04] <XXCoder> is there any other coolant for milling? never saw any besides oil one
[23:31:12] <XXCoder> (besides mist cooler and air)
[23:31:41] <CaptHindsight> I've seen different colors since they add some dye
[23:31:55] <CaptHindsight> oil tends to be clear to yellow
[23:32:12] <CaptHindsight> aqueous tends to be white/milky
[23:32:15] <XXCoder> swiss one is fairly dark yellow
[23:32:35] <XXCoder> coolant is just white unless theres ... "fun" additives like green
[23:32:36] <CaptHindsight> when you blend polar with non-polar you tend to get milky
[23:33:17] <CaptHindsight> some give color to make them marketable
[23:33:34] <CaptHindsight> cool green, red #7 etc
[23:33:35] <XXCoder> one machine coolant is weird shade of white-yellow due to its sole machine that can run fiberglass and those weird fake wood/cloth lamated material
[23:34:00] <jym> CaptHindsight: What is this "Win 10" you speak of?
[23:34:07] <XXCoder> win 10 cars
[23:34:16] <CaptHindsight> my antibacterial stuff is yellow in the can but turns white mixed with water
[23:34:36] <XXCoder> i wish people at work would replace coolant more often
[23:34:39] <XXCoder> some of em man its old
[23:36:11] <CaptHindsight> jym: https://www.microsoft.com
[23:37:35] <CaptHindsight> it comes with a built in updater
[23:37:48] <CaptHindsight> so you ddon't have to worry about things like that anymore
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[23:38:22] <jym> CaptHindsight: 406 Not Acceptable
[23:39:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[23:39:14] <CaptHindsight> Dimension 404
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[23:54:01] <jym> CaptHindsight: 406, not 404
[23:56:05] <XXCoder> dimension not found
[23:56:10] <XXCoder> jym: 404