#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-02-10

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[02:46:13] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com nice
[02:46:18] <XXCoder> restoration of 1930s drill machine
[02:46:22] <XXCoder> very big heavy one
[02:46:38] <XXCoder> he usually does one video each item but this ones so big hes doing a series./
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[03:24:22] <Deejay> moin
[03:25:27] <XXCoder> heys
[03:25:36] <XXCoder> gloops: check out the video
[03:25:42] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[03:27:19] <gloops> hi, that will be a fine machine when restored i bet
[03:29:01] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:30:13] <gloops> i got an old walker turner for less than £50, said i would restore it one day - started using it the day i got it though and never touched anything lol
[03:30:41] <gloops> for the price theres no way you can buy a comparable new machine
[03:33:45] <XXCoder> walker turner?
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[03:35:10] <jym> HVAC went out, blew a 50A fuse and when I went to replace it, for a 1/2 second, soemthing in the control box let out the magic smoke.
[03:35:32] <gloops> old american drill - became milwaukee later
[03:35:54] <jym> 34F outside, adn snow coming for the next two days
[03:36:25] <XXCoder> black 3.0 is insane. https://www.youtube.com
[03:39:27] <XXCoder> tomorrow will be sleet then snow then rain then snow again
[03:41:01] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: been the same here
[03:41:05] <Deejay> morning guys
[03:41:19] <CaptHindsight> + ice storm
[03:41:31] <Deejay> just closed my milling pc. hdd was faulty
[03:41:40] <Deejay> but could copy all data without loss
[03:41:51] <CaptHindsight> old used drive?
[03:42:04] <CaptHindsight> or just old
[03:42:09] <Deejay> 250GB samsung... from 2006
[03:42:23] <XXCoder> i use 8 gb ssd for my linuxcnc pc lol
[03:42:23] <Deejay> the drive is in there for 10 years ;)
[03:42:34] <XXCoder> more than enough room
[03:42:36] <Deejay> now: 500 GB samsung
[03:42:40] <Deejay> used space: 2,8 GB
[03:42:50] <XXCoder> i think 4 gb is minium but i as well as double it for couple bucks more lol
[03:42:53] <CaptHindsight> I never had drives die until about 5-10 years ago
[03:42:57] <Deejay> but the drive was flying around, so why buy a new one ;)
[03:43:25] <CaptHindsight> 250MB - 2GB range were really poor
[03:44:08] <CaptHindsight> sorry 250GB - 2TB :)
[03:44:12] <Deejay> but i like linux. hot plug second sata drive, easy partitioning with gparted, copying all data with rsync, chrooting into the new device, installing grub. power off, change cables, booting new device -> works
[03:44:18] <Deejay> that easy
[03:45:02] <Deejay> for a second i thought about installing a SSD
[03:45:02] <CaptHindsight> mostly bad motors, would not spin up properly without warning
[03:45:15] <Deejay> but thats atom cpu with 2 gigs ram. so, really?
[03:45:32] <CaptHindsight> got lucky recovering most by running them in a dock without a cable
[03:45:42] <Deejay> hmm, the motor spinned up
[03:45:50] <Deejay> but it was not recognized any more
[03:45:56] <Deejay> only from time to time
[03:46:07] <Deejay> once it died away during run
[03:46:23] <CaptHindsight> what brand?
[03:46:25] <Deejay> all icons were broken and the filesystem gone
[03:46:37] <Deejay> reboot, worked again, long enough to copy all data
[03:46:39] <Deejay> samsung
[03:46:42] <Deejay> spinpoint
[03:46:48] <Deejay> SP2504C
[03:47:04] <Deejay> (the replacement is also samsung)
[03:47:13] <CaptHindsight> had worst time with Samsung and western Digital
[03:47:26] <Deejay> here is seagate the worst
[03:47:38] <Deejay> died away few weeks after buying
[03:47:47] <CaptHindsight> i stopped buying seagate in the 00's
[03:47:56] <Deejay> got decision!
[03:47:58] <Deejay> good
[03:48:35] <CaptHindsight> Toshiba has been fine
[03:48:56] <CaptHindsight> Intel for SSD
[03:49:36] <Deejay> for me samsung and WD is actually best
[03:49:57] <Deejay> my server has WD red drives. working fine. my normal computer has WD blue. working fine
[03:50:05] <Deejay> and other stuff is samsung
[03:50:11] <Deejay> working fine for loooong time
[03:50:34] <Deejay> i think a drive from 2006 is allowed to fail in 2019 ;)
[03:53:02] <Deejay> might be interesting to see when the SSDs will fail
[03:53:18] <Deejay> also samsung ssds here
[03:53:46] <CaptHindsight> finding good PC cases has been more of an issue
[03:54:10] <CaptHindsight> room for giant GPU cards and HD's
[03:54:33] <CaptHindsight> oftenn they are in the way of each other
[03:54:43] <Deejay> hmm, i use tower size cases and my experience is that the cases got better in the last 10 years
[03:54:44] <XXCoder> cnc router?
[03:55:02] <XXCoder> Deejay: try 90s ones lol my latest it was easy compared to 90s
[03:55:21] <Deejay> yep
[03:55:23] <CaptHindsight> or RAM and HD fight for space
[03:55:43] <Deejay> easy hdd installing stuff, noise canceling stuff (?)
[03:55:49] <Deejay> removable mainboard tray and so on
[03:56:18] * Deejay uses a big tower
[03:56:19] <CaptHindsight> lately it's been bad power supplies
[03:56:24] <Deejay> there is plenty of space
[03:56:29] <CaptHindsight> 1-2 years and they crap out
[03:56:29] <Deejay> up to 6 oder 8 hdds
[03:56:46] <XXCoder> capt I didnt bother buying tower with psu
[03:56:47] <Deejay> *or
[03:56:54] <XXCoder> psu always gets the shit end of cheap stick
[03:57:04] <XXCoder> I bought decent psu seperately from case
[03:57:17] <Deejay> me too
[03:57:23] <Deejay> oh wait, its #metoo
[03:57:42] <XXCoder> that isnt good subject to joke aboit.
[03:58:11] <Deejay> hmm, i agree. sry
[03:59:42] <XXCoder> np
[04:00:25] <CaptHindsight> blasting out the dust every 2-3 months tends to make PC's last much longer
[04:00:51] <CaptHindsight> and you can never have too many fans
[04:00:53] <XXCoder> I just do it annually, to outside, each early summer
[04:01:03] <XXCoder> my room has true hepa filtering so yeah
[04:01:42] <CaptHindsight> we get leaves in here :)
[04:02:27] <Deejay> XXCoder, allergical problems?
[04:02:47] <XXCoder> nah just like clean air.
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[04:02:54] <Deejay> ah
[04:02:56] <XXCoder> and summers I really need it due to fire smokes
[04:02:58] * Deejay has :/
[04:03:02] <CaptHindsight> pc fans tend to collect hair and lint
[04:03:04] <XXCoder> it seems to have become annual thing now
[04:03:24] <CaptHindsight> the dust particles tend to blow right through
[04:03:31] <CaptHindsight> stick to oils
[04:03:57] <XXCoder> last summer forest fires was so bad
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[04:32:03] <gloops> right, tidy the garage up for the 1000th very final time
[04:33:13] <gloops> this week is mainly going to be about boxes and dovetails
[04:34:02] <XXCoder> fun
[04:34:07] <XXCoder> making drawers?
[04:35:21] <gloops> just small boxes, and boxes with drawers that kind of stuff
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[04:36:16] <XXCoder> cool
[04:36:40] <gloops> most of the stuff for sale is lightning quick made, mdf and glue stuff, with a bit of thinking the cnc can make traditional joints - quality stuff
[04:37:40] <gloops> i made one vertical table for the machine - that worked well but i made an improved version and moved its location - hence garage upside down again lol
[04:38:25] <XXCoder> :)
[04:38:53] <gloops> just been snatching an hour here and there while working, so nothing gets put away, ive got some time now for a few weeks
[04:39:22] <Deejay> huh, so mdf is also in english mdf?
[04:39:37] <gloops> thats what we call it yeah Deejay
[04:39:51] <Deejay> this wood stuff, right? ;)
[04:39:56] <Deejay> in german: mittel-dichte faserplatte
[04:40:02] <gloops> small particle board
[04:40:05] <Deejay> in english? medium density ...?
[04:40:10] <Deejay> jup
[04:40:13] <gloops> medium density fibre board
[04:40:17] <Deejay> ah!
[04:40:19] <Deejay> okay
[04:40:42] <gloops> its ok for some things but i dont like it really
[04:40:56] <Deejay> hehe, same here
[04:41:04] <Deejay> its more crap than wood ;)
[04:41:15] <Deejay> mdf does not like water ;)
[04:41:33] <gloops> yeah it soaks moisture up like a sponge
[04:41:36] <Deejay> jup
[04:41:42] <Deejay> but i have MDF on my mill
[04:42:01] <gloops> i have an mdf spoilboard, in fact its time to change it i think
[04:42:42] <gloops> i was looking at some little boxes with drawers in IKEA, from mdf, theyre sheer rubbish
[04:42:50] <Deejay> yeah, spoilboard is the word i was looking for
[04:42:52] <gloops> one karate chop would flatten it
[04:43:02] <gloops> i dont want to make crap like that
[04:43:06] <Deejay> hihi
[04:44:23] * Deejay likes multiplex
[04:45:24] <Deejay> dont know what it is called in english
[04:45:47] <Deejay> several layers of plywood glued together
[04:45:55] <gloops> plywood?
[04:46:11] <Deejay> not really plywood
[04:46:13] <Deejay> better ;)
[04:46:14] <Deejay> stronger
[04:46:17] <gloops> plywood is a superior material
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[04:47:02] <Deejay> veneer plywood?
[04:47:09] <gloops> http://www.cypers.be
[04:47:18] <Deejay> yeah, thats it!
[04:48:01] <gloops> we mainly just call it plywood, there are different grades though, marine ply being more durable, birch ply is often finer
[04:48:46] <Deejay> ah okay
[04:49:08] <Deejay> i think birch is the better one
[04:49:19] <Deejay> sometimes there is poplar plywood
[04:49:22] <Deejay> thats crap ;)
[04:49:34] <Deejay> poplar or aspen?
[04:51:05] <gloops> probably for temporary outdoor work, shuttering for concrete etc
[04:51:16] <gloops> generally called shuttering ply
[04:51:22] <gloops> (here)
[04:51:44] <gloops> Ichs or some associate of his has been back - uploaded some of his old vids ttps://www.youtube.com
[04:52:16] <XXCoder> he said hes student in one of classes set by ich or formerly anyway
[04:54:25] <gloops> shame about the vids - 400, wealth of info there
[04:54:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:54:44] <gloops> shame about ichs too, he got me up and running
[05:05:53] <CaptHindsight> kind of wierd
[05:06:14] <CaptHindsight> take it all down like it was an emergency
[05:06:29] <CaptHindsight> back up 6 months later
[05:06:44] <CaptHindsight> scrubbed for secret words or?
[05:12:51] <gloops> who knows
[05:13:08] <XXCoder> you think hes... disappeared?
[05:13:38] <XXCoder> if so i thought germany have moved on way past that kinda crap
[05:14:37] <gloops> i got a few private messages from said person shortly before he went, asking about the screws and stuff id used with my machine, if i had any issues - he was having trouble with a batch of machines he'd made - had complaints
[05:15:36] <XXCoder> honestly i doubt its disappear or anything like that
[05:17:18] <gloops> funny archivist left not long before - also removed a lifetime of vids and photos
[05:17:53] <XXCoder> he removed videos also?
[05:17:55] <XXCoder> wow weirfd
[05:18:05] <XXCoder> its been over a year since he left actually
[05:18:07] <gloops> there are drawbacks doing tutorials, someone might get hurt and blame you, not saying that has happened
[05:18:30] <fragalot> even if this were even remotely true or likely.. why on earth would they bother putting things back
[05:18:35] <gloops> archivists server went down, 2 i think, he left all other channels
[05:19:01] <XXCoder> i liked him, hes very good and mostly nice
[05:19:11] <XXCoder> wish I knew why he left
[05:19:22] <gloops> fragalot maybe just got spooked over something
[05:19:39] <gloops> threat of legal case maybe, or hacked
[05:20:01] <XXCoder> if hacked I'd get on using anither nick
[05:20:19] <gloops> ive known people do that before online, something happens - get all those pics and stuff off the net NOW
[05:20:50] <gloops> then a few months later realise they panicked for nothing
[05:21:16] <XXCoder> it it was thing that happened to archivist id be surpised he's quite calm
[05:21:20] <XXCoder> but who knows
[05:21:36] <XXCoder> hes way due on reconize and return
[05:21:40] <XXCoder> *past
[05:23:28] <gloops> supposed to have started a new business, no idea what
[05:23:50] <XXCoder> well hope he hits it off, seems so if hes not back. business takes a LOT hours.
[05:26:48] <gloops> yeah, he never really seemed like someone who was interested in making a lot of money though
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[05:28:02] <XXCoder> i would love to have more money, and something i love more doing but dunno what it would be.
[05:29:29] <SpeedEvil> My dream job would be designing space hardware for a launch cost of $50/kg or so.
[05:29:57] <XXCoder> isnt spacex dream getting it to $5 per kg?
[05:30:16] <SpeedEvil> Their long-term goal is $10/kg (for the passenger class)
[05:30:46] <CaptHindsight> space escalator
[05:31:04] <CaptHindsight> it's a fair compromise
[05:31:16] <SpeedEvil> But NASA basically is institutionally incapable of making anything that costs less than its weight in gold.
[05:31:38] <SpeedEvil> Which raises questions as to how much of the things they've learned would apply to a massive paradigm shift.
[05:31:42] <XXCoder> contracts all way down
[05:32:01] <XXCoder> its like miliary-industry connection, only worse
[05:32:26] <SpeedEvil> For examle, for $1M or so, you can buy a perfectly servicable ISS module sized vacuum rated insulated vessel.
[05:32:43] <SpeedEvil> It just weighs 60 tons or so, and is a cryogenic tank.
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[06:21:33] <XXCoder> fancy
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[06:26:46] <sensille> did anybody built his own 3d touch probe?
[06:32:25] <XXCoder> not me sadly
[06:32:30] <XXCoder> want to try.
[06:33:01] <sensille> it looks like such a great tool
[06:33:15] <XXCoder> new clickspring video
[06:33:23] <XXCoder> posted 17 minutes ago!
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[06:37:25] <sensille> XXCoder: do you use one at work?
[06:37:42] <XXCoder> there is some probes at work yeah but never used em
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[07:44:28] <JT-Mobile> morning
[07:50:16] <Tom_L> morning
[07:53:04] <XXCoder> morning
[07:53:29] <XXCoder> JT-Mobile: snow is REALLLY shiny here now lol
[07:53:31] <XXCoder> forming ice
[07:55:22] <JT-Mobile> looks pretty
[07:55:43] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:55:54] <XXCoder> wanted to get retromini from my car but nah
[07:55:57] <XXCoder> still too hard
[07:56:40] <JT-Mobile> how long will it last
[07:56:58] <XXCoder> monday wll be sleet all day then night snow
[07:57:08] <XXCoder> tues heavy rain in morning then sunny
[07:57:20] <XXCoder> night is cold so maybe heavy ice by rain
[07:57:39] <XXCoder> after that it starts ramping up to normal winter 30s f
[08:00:02] <XXCoder> i may not be able to go to work on monday
[08:00:23] <XXCoder> my cars still trapped in snow bank i got it in when i arrived home from work
[08:01:41] <JT-Mobile> that has to be an odd sight to see your car stuck in a snow bank
[08:01:59] <XXCoder> thankfully its parked kinda normally lol
[08:02:17] <XXCoder> but snow there is 8 inches or so i couldnt bck out nor forward out
[08:06:55] <JT-Mobile> we are getting some freezing rain this morning at the house but should be gone by the time we get back
[08:07:11] <XXCoder> nice
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[09:29:44] <sensille> are the coordinate systems G55-G59.3 used regularly? i have a hard time to imagine a use case
[09:37:38] <gloops> i need to look at them, i want to run the same cut over and over, just a simple cut, on many pieces, so i want to hit run, cut one piece, stop - but not return to global home position, just go back to the beginning of the cut
[09:38:18] <gloops> change the wood, run again, back to start, change wood, run again
[09:38:40] <gloops> i wont need to touch off after the first one because ill use stops to locate the wood
[09:41:25] <gloops> i also need to make a jig for angled mortising
[09:45:12] <gloops> i have a mild headache today though, must be something i ate or drank last night
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[10:23:29] <pcw_home> sensille I think they are commonly use when you have multiple identical workpieces say in vises that all have the same program but different offsets (perhaps set by probing)
[10:27:50] <sensille> i was now thinking to store the position of the tool length probe in one of them, so i can reference it as X0Y0 from the probing gcode
[10:31:19] <Tom_L> sensille i always use G54..59
[10:32:00] <Tom_L> you can set up multiple programs each having a different offset for example
[10:32:44] <Tom_L> you don't think about it but G54 is used by default
[10:36:29] <Tom_L> var 5220 determines the default
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[10:37:51] <Tom_L> the work pieces can but don't have to be the same
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[10:49:58] <sensille> so you have multiple workpieces set up, touch each one off in its own coordinate system, and the run programs on them in arbitrary order?
[10:51:09] <pcw_home> yes
[10:52:18] <sensille> let one sit there for a few days, because you broke the tool and wait for a replacement, meanwhile work on other pieces, like that?
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[10:54:57] <sensille> only starts to make sense if you have very good home switches, though, or leave the maschine running all the time
[10:55:10] <SpeedEvil> sensille: I think more just imagine needing five tools to complete the work, it might end up faster to only do five toolchanges, not 5*n
[10:56:28] <sensille> ah, i see, there are no good provisions for that in gcode otherwise
[10:56:48] <sensille> thanks, i see the sense in that now :)
[10:57:07] <SpeedEvil> or just give up, and make first part of the project an auto-tool-changer.
[11:00:02] <pcw_home> Also if you probe to determine offsets, homing accuracy is dont-care
[11:00:42] <sensille> sure. i mean if you let a workpiece just sit in place for a few days
[11:01:39] <pcw_home> Not sure what you mean, If you probe your workpiece, the next step would be to start machining
[11:02:04] <sensille> in the example above with the broken endmill. nevermind :)
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[11:24:05] <sensille> damn, for electical probing i'd need to mount my vise isolated
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[11:55:55] <SpeedEvil> Clickspring is awesome
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[13:45:15] <jthornton> yea back from Tunica
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[16:42:35] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:39:59] <jthornton> the one morning I'm out of town and the damn chicken door does not open all the way... more error checking to do on the code I guess
[18:40:26] <XXCoder> you sure its not just strunkage by coldness
[18:40:58] <jthornton> yea, my buddy flipped the manual open switch and it came up
[18:41:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[18:41:35] <Tom_L> figures
[18:41:38] <jthornton> I thought I had the damn interference sorted tou
[18:41:40] <jthornton> out
[18:42:05] <XXCoder> isnt electricity easier to flow in cold envorments in general?
[18:42:13] <XXCoder> might have caused more emf
[18:43:41] <jthornton> I think I'm getting some static on the door switches from the motor
[18:44:06] <Tom_L> put a couple small caps across each motor lead to GND
[18:44:24] <jthornton> the door for the new coop has never failed to fully open and close but the one in the present coop is a problem
[18:44:32] <jthornton> did that
[18:45:52] <jthornton> I'm thinking I need to check to see that the door is actually open every cycle
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[19:04:50] <jthornton> oh well time to relax
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[20:02:01] <skunkworks> did I show this? https://www.youtube.com
[20:02:11] <skunkworks> I don't remember
[20:02:47] <skunkworks> at the end of the video you can see the shavings coming out the end of the hole
[20:02:50] <Tom_L> you showed drilling
[20:02:52] <Tom_L> afik
[20:03:13] <Tom_L> i wish i had the HP to rigid tap
[20:03:39] <Tom_L> but if i did much i could single point ok
[20:03:54] <Tom_L> takes a bit to get the fit just right
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[20:04:40] <Tom_L> do those tap clear thru?
[20:04:55] <skunkworks> yes
[20:05:21] <Tom_L> i mean, does the lead in leave a little on the back to clean up?
[20:05:32] <Tom_L> back/bottom
[20:05:58] <Tom_L> looks like you're using pretty much the whole tap
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[20:06:29] <Elmo40> hey folks.
[20:06:38] <Elmo40> do stepper motors 'hold' like a servo?
[20:06:44] <Tom_L> i see now, just past halfway thru the video...
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[20:07:05] <Tom_L> Elmo40 what do you mean?
[20:07:23] <Elmo40> what prevents X from moving when I am milling in Y ?
[20:07:24] <Tom_L> they have holding torque
[20:08:13] <Elmo40> other than number of steps and such, would getting a longer frame motor of same NEMA be a simple swap?
[20:08:22] <skunkworks> steppers have the most torque when not rotating...
[20:08:24] <XXCoder> stepper holding tend to be highest torque for stepper
[20:10:29] <Elmo40> if i currently have a 6-wire stepper and upgrade to a physically longer body 6-wire stepper, would there be any settings that i would need to figure out?
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[20:11:09] <Elmo40> they are both 1.8degree motors
[20:11:47] <skunkworks> current...
[20:12:10] <Elmo40> well, going from 64oz to 84oz shouldnt overload the driver.
[20:12:20] <Elmo40> 1.7a to 2a motor ;-)
[20:12:33] <skunkworks> heh
[20:12:50] <Elmo40> they are free and will give me an idea if that is the cause of the drifting problem i'm having
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[20:16:29] <Tom_L> is the drift in one axis or both?
[20:16:47] <Tom_L> if one, swap drivers or motors or both one at a time
[20:19:26] <XXCoder> skunkworks: does it use schyrozation with axis or just speed match spindle and motion inwards?
[20:19:37] <XXCoder> I know sychrozation requires some gearing
[20:19:40] <Tom_L> sync
[20:19:57] <skunkworks> spindle synced motion
[20:19:59] <skunkworks> XXCoder:
[20:20:11] <Tom_L> using G33.1
[20:20:15] <skunkworks> yes
[20:20:15] <XXCoder> maybe im using wrong terms
[20:20:36] <XXCoder> lock spindle to axis, so spindle rotates by moving Z for example
[20:20:47] <Tom_L> Z and spindle rotation are locked together
[20:20:50] <skunkworks> there is an encoder on the spindle - that linuxcnc uses to sync the z axis to the exact rate for the pitch of the tap
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[20:25:47] <Elmo40> for rigid tapping?
[20:25:50] <skunkworks> spindle encoder (we added..) https://www.youtube.com
[20:26:01] <Tom_L> Elmo40 yes
[20:26:08] <XXCoder> nice
[20:26:36] <XXCoder> I have added 2 magnets to my spindle for spindle rpm detection but didnt finish it yet
[20:26:44] <skunkworks> Elmo40: https://www.youtube.com
[20:27:02] <Tom_L> even the little sherline can do it to an extent: https://www.youtube.com
[20:27:13] <skunkworks> XXCoder: on the matsurra we used gear teeth sensors..
[20:27:39] <XXCoder> nice :)
[20:27:47] <XXCoder> funny thing first steept it didnt work
[20:27:55] <XXCoder> turns out sensor has 100 hz limit
[20:28:08] <XXCoder> I needed 600hz. i have 1 khz sensor
[20:28:17] <XXCoder> (new sensor)
[20:29:00] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[20:29:20] <XXCoder> it detects by changing light?
[20:29:30] <XXCoder> or magnetism (or hall effect)
[20:29:57] <Elmo40> skunkworks, that Z movement after it stops spinning CCW is kinda odd. Is your initial-Z different than your retraction-Z value?
[20:31:22] <skunkworks> Elmo40: it is a linuxcnc thing.. the reverse/stop overshoots - then goes back to initial z hight
[20:31:27] <Elmo40> no ribbing on the inside of that tombstone?
[20:34:41] <skunkworks> it was factory made - local company. got it at an auction.
[20:34:52] <skunkworks> for most stuff we do it will be fine
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[20:48:20] <skunkworks> hal effect
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[20:58:18] <Tom_L> skunkworks do you clean up the hall sensor signal with a schmitt trigger or anything?
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[21:05:24] <ziper> CaptHindsight, do you mind some more questions
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[21:23:01] <skunkworks> Tom_L: i thnk it is hooked into a line drivr
[21:24:10] <skunkworks> used the tech sheet circuit. needed pullups iiirc
[21:24:37] <Tom_L> likely open collector output then
[21:24:50] <skunkworks> right..
[21:25:22] <Tom_L> just curious, never used hall sensors but i know they're commonly used
[21:27:06] <skunkworks> https://www.digikey.com
[21:27:45] <Tom_L> i may have some here somewhere
[21:27:54] <skunkworks> it is a bit more than a hal sensr.. has lots of smarts in it
[21:27:55] <Tom_L> not sure what kind
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[21:27:59] <Tom_L> yeah
[21:28:05] <Tom_L> makes it alot easier
[21:28:25] <Tom_L> get some automotive crank or wheel sensor
[21:28:31] <Tom_L> weather proof etc..
[21:29:03] <skunkworks> yes. seems to just work. up to 6krpm with 48 teeth iirc
[21:29:13] <skunkworks> 68?
[21:29:22] <skunkworks> dont remember
[21:29:46] <Tom_L> separate index mark?
[21:29:55] <CaptHindsight> ziper: whats up?
[21:30:31] <ziper> CaptHindsight, how thick of a part can you infuse? is it a function of any other geometery, or just resin viscosity?
[21:31:20] <CaptHindsight> viscosity and what you use to push or pull it through
[21:31:31] <CaptHindsight> e.g. vacuum
[21:31:47] <CaptHindsight> and pore size
[21:32:03] <CaptHindsight> loose vs tightly woven
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[21:32:22] <skunkworks> Tom_L: yes... using 3 sensors
[21:33:22] <ziper> CaptHindsight, what are the benefits of curing at an elevated temperature vs a post-cure?
[21:33:47] <CaptHindsight> you want it warm enough to cure
[21:34:17] <ziper> of course
[21:34:23] <CaptHindsight> below a certain temp polymerization will be very slow
[21:34:24] <ziper> is there no benefit above that?
[21:34:45] <CaptHindsight> only if the formulation calls for elevated temps
[21:35:02] <CaptHindsight> post cure doesn't really apply to 2K epoxy
[21:35:48] <CaptHindsight> 2k epoxy should just be cured at above the recommended temp
[21:36:27] <CaptHindsight> warmer temps will accelerate polymerization
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[21:37:20] <CaptHindsight> the % of polymerization will be effected more by how well you mix and the proper proportions of the 2 parts
[21:38:47] <ziper> what epoxy does benefit from a post cure?
[21:39:12] <CaptHindsight> I have crosslinkers that won't do much of anything until they hit ~50C
[21:39:21] <CaptHindsight> then they trigger
[21:39:36] <CaptHindsight> photopolymers may be post cured
[21:39:55] <CaptHindsight> you might just pin them to get them solid, then blast them later for full cure
[21:43:05] <CaptHindsight> for example one might cure at 17hrs @ 70C, 13 min @ 100C and 4 min @ 150C
[21:43:58] <ziper> so besides mixing properly and getting ideal resin/fiber ratio, is there anything else I can do to make the best part possible?
[21:44:14] <CaptHindsight> define best part
[21:44:32] <CaptHindsight> you match the epoxy to the application
[21:45:00] <CaptHindsight> then you follow the recommended mix and cure time and temps
[21:46:39] <ziper> which properties? elongation just needs to be higher than the fiber, but modulus and HDT should be as high as possible right?
[21:47:16] <CaptHindsight> if that is what you want or trying to achieve
[21:48:49] <CaptHindsight> you modify all those properties to fit the application
[21:49:17] <CaptHindsight> anyway will be back later
[21:55:09] <XXCoder> dang
[21:55:15] <XXCoder> snow is back and very heavy snowing here now
[21:55:21] <XXCoder> looks like added a inch already
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[21:58:01] <skunkworks> XXCoder: WI?
[21:58:18] <Tom_L> Wa
[21:58:23] <XXCoder> tacoma, wa
[21:58:31] <XXCoder> where snow usually dont go
[21:58:45] <XXCoder> where snow rarely visit but never stays
[21:58:57] <skunkworks> sounds like we are getting 10+ inches over the next day or so
[21:59:37] <XXCoder> really?
[21:59:46] <XXCoder> supposed to have stopped by yesrrday
[22:02:00] <Tom_L> feel free to keep it
[22:03:04] <XXCoder> lol
[22:03:24] <skunkworks> wouldnt be so bad if i actually got out skiing
[22:03:57] <Tom_L> i forgot where you were
[22:04:26] <skunkworks> western WI
[22:04:50] <Tom_L> ahh up where you're _supposed_ to get lots of snow..
[22:04:55] <jdh> I was in madison last week. frozen lakes...weird.
[22:05:46] <skunkworks> where are you normally?
[22:05:56] <jdh> Wilmington, NC
[22:06:12] <jdh> it was 75-80f here last week.
[22:06:57] <skunkworks> heh.. my neice lives in charlett
[22:07:10] <skunkworks> (sp)
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[22:08:18] <skunkworks> jdh: what ya doing in madison?
[22:08:42] <jdh> vendor there is building us a machine
[22:09:25] <skunkworks> nice
[22:09:40] <skunkworks> was it below zero?
[22:10:25] <jdh> no, they thanked us for bringing good weather. it was above freezing for a few hours
[22:10:47] <jdh> -8 right after we left
[22:11:03] <jdh> where are you?
[22:11:38] <skunkworks> trempealeau
[22:11:50] <skunkworks> north of lacrosee
[22:11:54] <jdh> never heard of that one!
[22:12:51] <skunkworks> west of madison... :)
[22:13:44] <jdh> East minnesota?
[22:15:24] <skunkworks> just.. i see minnisota from my window...
[22:22:36] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
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[22:51:53] <norias> looking california, feeling minnesotta
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[23:33:04] <Tom_L> https://sct-usa.com
[23:33:07] <Tom_L> interesting
[23:33:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:33:34] <XXCoder> isnt there lower bound limit?
[23:34:29] <Tom_L> "C" ?
[23:34:54] <XXCoder> yeah
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[23:35:19] <XXCoder> theres pictyure showing what it is
[23:35:26] <XXCoder> https://sct-usa.com
[23:35:52] <XXCoder> c must be shorter than hole depth
[23:35:58] <Tom_L> it switches to external as well
[23:36:01] <Tom_L> right
[23:36:06] <Tom_L> unless it's thru
[23:36:24] <XXCoder> yeah though you want it to stop somewhere :)
[23:36:34] <Tom_L> you want it to be more than the distance from the tool tip to the point
[23:36:55] <Tom_L> clearance
[23:37:04] <XXCoder> external is interesting
[23:37:13] <XXCoder> custom bolts I guess
[23:37:22] <XXCoder> left hand bolts ;)
[23:38:20] <Tom_L> one tool would do all 4
[23:38:48] <XXCoder> that generator is pretty cool, saved link
[23:38:53] <Tom_L> so did i
[23:39:13] <Tom_L> i was sitting here contemplating writing a macro to do that on my cad cam
[23:39:28] <XXCoder> thread milling is great alternate when machine cant tap worth crap
[23:39:40] <Tom_L> like my sherline..
[23:40:05] <Tom_L> still learning about it
[23:40:42] <Tom_L> it's slower but if your spindle can't do it it's an alternative
[23:42:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:42:27] <XXCoder> wood nut and bolt :)
[23:42:29] <XXCoder> why not
[23:43:34] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[23:43:40] <Tom_L> one of my first attempts
[23:43:45] <Tom_L> i ran it slow on purpose
[23:43:55] <Tom_L> later found out i should start from the bottom and go up
[23:44:22] <Tom_L> err i guess i fixed the code there
[23:44:58] <Tom_L> can't really tell..
[23:45:26] <Tom_L> need to make multiple passes
[23:46:17] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:52:33] <Elmo40> thread milling is great. you can make custom everything. pitch and diameter. great for special products.
[23:57:50] <XXCoder> and making sure only you get parts order? lol
[23:58:12] <Elmo40> ;-)
[23:59:07] <Elmo40> so many avenues for money to leave me, I need to find ways for it to join me.