#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-02-11

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[00:00:43] <Elmo40> when you connect an encoder or some other form of feedback while using a stepper, what does the software do when numbers dont completely align? fail out and stop? Or try to get to the value before the next line?
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[00:01:05] <XXCoder> im sure thats settable?
[00:01:28] <Elmo40> i'm sure it is... Being Linux and all ;-)
[00:01:31] <XXCoder> some can adjust to match, and some fail out if excessive (like tool broke and its jamming against part)
[00:01:42] <XXCoder> joint following error
[00:02:43] <Elmo40> i just dont recall seeing that option
[00:03:04] <XXCoder> never set something like that either, never had encoders lol
[00:03:47] <Elmo40> i'm looking into it. trying to be prepared (old boy scout here.)
[00:03:59] <XXCoder> used to be scout myself
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[01:24:22] <miss0r> mornin'
[01:26:36] <XXCoder> hey
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[02:49:31] <gloops> ok, best way to do this -
[02:49:51] <XXCoder> is to do it
[02:50:25] <gloops> i want to cut the same slot in many pieces of wood, just a straight line, the woods cant be mounted on the table all at once, its one at a time
[02:50:47] <XXCoder> is it always same distance off one side in least?
[02:50:55] <gloops> so i can set some stops up and quickly change the bits of wood thats easy
[02:51:13] <gloops> XXCoder yeah same sizes every time
[02:51:38] <gloops> what i DONT want to do is run the cut, it ends and machines goes back to 0,0
[02:51:49] <gloops> i want it to wait just above the cutting position
[02:51:54] <XXCoder> change gcode
[02:52:12] <gloops> to what?
[02:52:29] <XXCoder> is cutting start location at part 0,0?
[02:53:03] <XXCoder> also dpaste last few lines so I can be sure
[02:53:04] <gloops> well ill touch of there yes, but at the end of a code my machine goes back to global 0
[02:53:28] <gloops> i havent made the code yet, ill get back with it when im ready
[02:53:36] <XXCoder> since it sounds like very short program as well as dpaste whole thing
[02:53:46] <gloops> so i want the machine to wait at g54 0s?
[02:54:46] <gloops> its like the machine home is 2 ft away from the start of the cut, i dont want to travel that back and forth every time
[02:55:29] <XXCoder> if you dont want it to go back and forth you could do m0 to switch parts then it can return to start cutting new part
[02:55:48] <XXCoder> careful with spindle or you have it still on with changeover - one less finger risk
[02:56:18] <gloops> yeah thats another thing, it would save a lot of time if spindle doesnt shut down
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[02:56:30] <gloops> but also increase the risk..
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[02:56:49] <XXCoder> yeah you could acciently hit tool with plank and shit happens
[02:58:16] <gloops> i could send it clear of the wood change to one side, i thought of G4 pause but if anything happens changing the wood ill miss the start
[02:58:28] <gloops> M0 is like a tool change?
[02:59:02] <XXCoder> no its stop and wait for you to resume
[02:59:05] <gloops> ill look into M0 anyway
[02:59:12] <XXCoder> if you dont stop spindle it will still spinning
[02:59:14] <XXCoder> dangerous
[02:59:22] <gloops> that sounds a good bet, is there a 'goto' in g-code?
[02:59:33] <XXCoder> g98 and 99
[02:59:34] <Loetmichel> M0 is "pause until you hit the pause key in the GUI
[02:59:37] <XXCoder> function call
[02:59:40] <Loetmichel> i would use a tool change
[03:00:09] <Loetmichel> just make two tools identical, use one before and one after the wood change
[03:00:10] <gloops> so i could do an M0 at the end of the cut, then a goto line 1 after that, the code will just run again
[03:00:37] <gloops> with a line to send z to max height and just to the side so im clear to change the wood
[03:00:39] <Loetmichel> ahem, just end the program if you just want to repeat it
[03:00:50] <Loetmichel> and press R or play when restarting
[03:01:01] <Loetmichel> program end would be M30 ;)
[03:01:02] <gloops> Loetmichel if i end program the machine goes back 2ft to home - i dont want that
[03:01:13] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[03:01:21] <Loetmichel> deactivate that function ;)
[03:01:28] <gloops> how?
[03:01:47] <Loetmichel> mine doesnt do that, so it there has to be a switch to shut it off
[03:01:58] <gloops> it takes longer to home and back than it would to do the cut
[03:02:16] <Loetmichel> or is your postprocessor putting a "home" in at the end?
[03:02:41] <gloops> ahh never looked at that, ill check it in a while
[03:03:18] <gloops> but also end program stops spindle - another 20 seconds waiting for spindle at speed
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[03:33:26] <Deejay> moin
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[03:43:46] <CNC_Brian> Guy's any python experts online?
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[03:53:47] <rmu> CNC_Brian: just ask
[03:55:31] <CNC_Brian> Im tweeting PathPilot interface t use on my PM25, Im a .Net programmer so python is a bit different
[03:56:40] <CNC_Brian> Got an issue where the reset button is staying blue due to machine_state no going into referenced after I ref all the axis
[04:00:35] <CNC_Brian> Code is called from a script then another python file so not sure what the best method is??
[04:01:31] <CNC_Brian> Operator_Console.sh -> pathpilotmanager.py -> Tormach_mill_ui.py
[04:07:40] <Loetmichel> gloops: my spindle starts and stops in 2 seconds
[04:07:56] <Loetmichel> the benefits of finetuning the VFD parameters ;)
[04:08:24] <Loetmichel> (it DOES occasionally goes into "IF overvoltage" error now though) ;)
[04:09:16] <gloops> from 0 - like 18000 rpm Loetmichel? i left the default settings for spindle accel to save the bearings
[04:11:09] <Loetmichel> 24kRPM
[04:11:37] <Loetmichel> yes, ~1 second 0 to 24k, ~2secs 24k to 0
[04:11:44] <rmu> CNC_Brian: i don't know path pilot, but it seems you don't have python problem
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[04:14:21] <CNC_Brian> Im trying ipdb
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[04:16:06] <Loetmichel> gloops: it IS a borderline setting though
[04:16:20] <Loetmichel> you can hear the spindel "protest" at spindown ;)
[04:16:39] <Loetmichel> like throwing ot an anchor ;)
[04:20:48] <Loetmichel> hey, anyone any idea what type number those two full metal kingston thumbdrives on the left upper corner have? i need some more but cant seem to find them on Ebay... -> http://www.cyrom.org
[04:46:21] <Loetmichel> found it already.
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[05:08:54] <jthornton> morning
[05:09:08] <XXCoder> good morning
[05:09:20] <XXCoder> more snow yay I guess lol
[05:09:30] <XXCoder> dont seem very likely i will go to workl
[05:09:54] <jthornton> I was going to ask about the snow
[05:10:23] <XXCoder> snow added couple inches
[05:10:34] <XXCoder> and might finally stop for good on wed
[05:13:11] <jthornton> geez I used 0.2GB of data while I was sleeping WTF
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[05:14:03] <jthornton> prob trying to get my cameras working on the laptop
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[05:15:07] * Loetmichel forgets things... anyone knows how to do "mill out corners" for inside pockets/cutouts in CamBam?
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[06:16:20] <Tom_L> gloops, run it in a subroutine and repeat the number of pieces you have with a M0 or M1 between
[06:16:40] <Tom_L> just move the cutter out of the way to change material in the sub
[06:16:58] <Tom_L> rain.
[06:20:21] <Tom_L> gloops, that or set up a G54 in your code and set zero close to where you want the change to be
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[07:10:25] <CNC_Brian> Possibly a silly question, but what file is the linuxcnc python in? My code is failing to import it.
[07:10:41] <CNC_Brian> I cant see a linuxcnc.py file anywhere
[07:13:25] <jthornton> the python interface?
[07:18:51] <CNC_Brian> Yes, Im trying to write some code to drive linuxcnc, but the import is failing and I can see the file linuxcnc.py anywhere.
[07:19:52] <CNC_Brian> Im not a python programmer so forgive me if Im being daft. Was expecting just to put the linuxcnc.py file in my PYTHONPATH
[07:26:21] <rmu> CNC_Brian: did you look at src/emc/usr_intf/* ?
[07:28:44] <CNC_Brian> Thats all c files
[07:30:08] <rmu> look into subdirs
[07:31:18] <CNC_Brian> Ive compiled linux cnc and running it I'm-place so maybe that the problem
[07:33:55] <rmu> CNC_Brian: look at existing user interfaces to see how they are implemented. i didn't want to suggest that a linuxcnc.py exists or you would find it there
[07:34:47] <CNC_Brian> Apparently is a linuxcnc.so file??
[07:35:14] <CNC_Brian> A python extension written is a proper language :-)
[07:35:49] <rmu> CNC_Brian: what makes you think a linuxcnc python module exists
[07:37:01] <CNC_Brian> All the UI's are python so must be some glue in there somewhere
[07:41:31] <jthornton> if you have a RIP you must set the environment in the terminal or it can't find linuxcnc
[07:42:22] <jthornton> then import linuxcnc will fail if you don't have the environment set
[07:43:39] <rmu> CNC_Brian: run something like ". path/to/linuxcnc/script/rip-environment"
[07:44:39] <jthornton> yep you gotta do . ./scripts/rip-environment
[07:45:12] <jthornton> and linuxcnc must be running for the connection to work
[07:45:51] <CNC_Brian> Im using WING IDE and have aset the PYTHONPATH
[07:46:43] <CNC_Brian> Have seen mention of rip will google it now as I have no idea.
[07:46:58] * jthornton has never seen wing ide or tried to set the pythonpath
[07:47:08] <jthornton> how did you install linuxcnc
[07:47:31] <CNC_Brian> Built if from source.
[07:47:36] <CNC_Brian> Run in place
[07:47:49] <jthornton> RIP is Run In Place which means you cloned linuxcnc the build it in the directory you cloned to
[07:48:11] <jthornton> the / then
[07:48:16] <jthornton> then built lol
[07:48:29] <jthornton> can't type worth a shit this morning
[07:48:52] <CNC_Brian> Thought you had a chicken on the keyboard
[07:49:18] <jthornton> they won't come inside the house, they make me go out to them lol
[07:49:31] <CNC_Brian> Will run the script and see what happens
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[08:09:40] <CNC_Brian> OK Have tested the build with Axis and the sim is working.
[08:10:31] <CNC_Brian> Still having problems with my python script. Is now complaining it cant find libnmi.so.0
[08:17:30] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com your script
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[09:30:48] <Net|> https://netpipe.ca new wind turbine concept with ropes
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[09:51:39] <methods_> hmmm all these years i've been calling them wind mills
[10:01:57] <Elmo40> methods_, they don't mill anything anymore...
[10:02:30] <Elmo40> Net|, interesting photo you have, IMG_3893.jpg
[10:02:36] <Elmo40> This is all medicinal? ;-)
[10:09:52] <CaptHindsight> methods_: https://i.pinimg.com maybe these?
[10:11:04] <CaptHindsight> https://cdn2.veltra.com pretty sure these are used to covert lumber into clothing like shoes
[10:11:47] <Elmo40> CaptHindsight, the first one is a pump
[10:12:21] <Elmo40> second one could be either a pump or mill, but i'm sure it is a pump.
[10:13:17] <CaptHindsight> this is a pump http://s7a9x8y9.stackpathcdn.com
[10:13:51] <methods_> CaptHindsight: yeah one of those
[10:13:53] <CaptHindsight> wind doesn't go up and down :)
[10:13:54] <methods_> just add ropes
[10:14:19] <methods_> and some soiled sheets
[10:14:59] <CaptHindsight> https://i.pinimg.com
[10:15:11] <CaptHindsight> maybe what they are up to
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[10:15:33] <methods_> heheh
[10:15:37] <methods_> soiling their underwear
[10:15:42] <methods_> another day at the office
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[10:18:23] <CaptHindsight> windmill or 4-way sails?
[10:18:35] <CaptHindsight> to catch wind from all 4 directions
[10:18:57] <methods_> i wonder why old ship captains didnt' think of that
[10:19:03] <methods_> they could have sailed in any direction
[10:19:07] <methods_> simultaneously
[10:19:14] <CaptHindsight> save time
[10:19:24] <CaptHindsight> get there and back all at once
[10:19:30] <methods_> exactly
[10:20:56] <methods_> look at this new wind turbine concept
[10:20:59] <methods_> http://www.clotheslines.com
[10:21:28] <CaptHindsight> much better
[10:21:47] <methods_> someone misnamed it
[10:21:57] <methods_> rotary outdoor washing line
[10:22:09] <methods_> i like to call it a laundry drying turbine
[10:22:10] <CaptHindsight> makes sure the sails are dry on both sides
[10:22:49] <methods_> eco friendly
[10:23:13] <CaptHindsight> wet sails weigh down the boats
[10:23:51] <CaptHindsight> why boats keep water on the bottom
[10:24:10] <methods_> yeah they don't do well when they get water on the top
[10:24:47] <methods_> unless you're going for the whole submarine thing
[10:25:06] <CaptHindsight> why they don't make windmills from submarines
[10:25:35] <CaptHindsight> but I don't want to get ahead of myself
[10:26:19] <methods_> yeah too much pioneering in one day is bad
[10:26:39] <methods_> i don't think the human race can handle all this innovation in one dose
[10:27:15] <CaptHindsight> I once saw an old Errol Flynn movie where the sail went up and down on a boat
[10:27:42] <methods_> they had to play the movies on something on the boat
[10:27:50] <methods_> you can't just leave the movie screen up all day
[10:28:03] <CaptHindsight> duh, makes sense now
[10:28:19] <methods_> no pirating would get done
[10:28:44] <CaptHindsight> is that why they call it pirating movies?
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[10:29:07] <methods_> hah
[10:29:40] <Elmo40> anyone drive a laser machine with LinuxCNC ?
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[10:29:58] <methods_> Fox host says he 'hasn't washed hands in 10 years'
[10:30:07] <methods_> https://www.bbc.com
[10:30:08] <methods_> wow
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[10:30:39] <roycroft> i haven't washed my hands in minutes
[10:31:13] <methods_> lol
[10:33:21] <roycroft> i'm going to take a big leap here and assume that this faux news person is a christian
[10:33:22] <CaptHindsight> Elmo40: I do mostly with galvo heads. Faster scanning, fewer moving parts and mass
[10:33:27] <roycroft> so he believes in a deity that he cannot see
[10:33:33] <roycroft> but does not believe in pathogens that he cannot see
[10:33:49] <methods_> you can't argue with that logic
[10:33:52] <methods_> literally
[10:34:40] <methods_> i mean you can but i doubt anything will get solved
[10:35:42] <CaptHindsight> lords work in mysterious way
[10:36:18] <Elmo40> CaptHindsight, are you talking about scanning items with lasers?
[10:36:25] <Elmo40> or laser etching/cutting?
[10:36:42] <CaptHindsight> etch/cut/sinter
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[10:41:01] <CaptHindsight> Elmo40: https://imgur.com laser top right, glavo top left
[10:43:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.holidays.net
[10:44:39] <CaptHindsight> http://lnalaser.com
[10:46:02] <CaptHindsight> methods_: opinion based "facts" vs facts
[10:46:56] <CaptHindsight> popular opinion
[10:48:56] <CaptHindsight> Elmo40: moving a small laser or the optics on a Cartesian stage is very similar to milling or plasma cutting setup
[10:50:09] <CaptHindsight> Elmo40: https://ae01.alicdn.com
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[10:51:15] <CaptHindsight> http://public.iorodeo.com
[10:51:39] <CaptHindsight> belt drives but on the flimsy side
[10:52:19] <CaptHindsight> http://public.iorodeo.com
[10:53:47] <CaptHindsight> that light t-slot frame is going to twist if the head moves too quickly
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[10:57:16] <_abc_> hi. Can someone say if they're using a PCI-E adapter to serial or parallel port with simple
[10:57:27] <_abc_> "parallel port" linxucnc motor drivers?
[10:57:39] <CaptHindsight> yes
[10:57:50] <CaptHindsight> PCIe to LPT
[10:58:08] <_abc_> Worky? What controller chip? I am looking at a cheap adapter might grab it, it is reduced at a local shop.
[10:58:38] <CaptHindsight> the PC is the controller with LCNC
[10:58:38] <_abc_> CaptHindsight: Does it map to a normal parallel port usable by linuxcnc or did you have to install drivers?
[10:58:48] <CaptHindsight> do you mean which LPT chip?
[10:59:07] <_abc_> And are you using the normal live/distribution of linuxcnc or custom linux + installed linuxcnc?
[10:59:23] <_abc_> Yes what IC is on the pcb or what VID:PID in dmesg
[10:59:28] <CaptHindsight> it works with the LiveCD
[11:00:35] <_abc_> ok
[11:00:38] <_abc_> thanks
[11:00:47] <CaptHindsight> but I also use my own Lcnc builds with a fork of RTAI.org
[11:01:38] <CaptHindsight> for software stepping you can use any PCIe --> LPT card
[11:01:54] <CaptHindsight> not USB --> LPT
[11:03:10] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org is one LPT card
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[11:03:58] <CaptHindsight> this oner needs a kernel patch http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[11:04:06] <CaptHindsight> oner/one
[11:04:52] <CaptHindsight> kernel driver is missing the ID for the single LPT port version
[11:06:13] <CaptHindsight> _abc_: so PC --> PCIe --> LPT card --> Break out board (BOB) --> stepper driver --> stepper motor
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[11:11:09] <_abc_> yes, thanks CaptHindsight, I never used a PCIe connected parallel adapter before with linux, I had to ask.
[11:11:36] <_abc_> Is the card generic? The PCIe adapter? I found one which has 2x serial 1x paralle on the same card, for ~20EUR.
[11:11:47] <_abc_> Did you pay a lot more than that? CaptHindsight
[11:11:56] <CaptHindsight> _abc_: the only catch is some of the older Moschip cards have issues with EPP mode...
[11:12:24] <_abc_> Ick I already have a buggy moschip PCI (non e) to 2xserial and 1xparallel
[11:12:27] <CaptHindsight> that is only a problem when LPT is used to connect to an FPGA card
[11:12:34] <_abc_> Which chip do you have? What vid:pid?
[11:12:54] <_abc_> Yeah I need it for linuxcnc and also connecting various programmers
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[11:14:34] <CaptHindsight> I have it written down somewhere
[11:14:52] <CaptHindsight> nearest LCNC box is off right now
[11:16:05] <CaptHindsight> void the 9805 and 9815 chips
[11:16:09] <CaptHindsight> avoid
[11:17:32] <_abc_> Ok, thanks
[11:18:10] <CaptHindsight> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[11:19:38] <CaptHindsight> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[11:24:19] <_abc_> ok, I get it, thanks. Going to have to check the chipset on the board physically, there is not enough info on the website.
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[11:26:28] <CaptHindsight> need to update the wiki
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[12:41:28] <sensille> Loetmichel: you mentioned a cheap kind of pump to use for a vaccuum table to me some time ago. which one would you recommend?
[12:41:46] <jym> shopvac?
[12:42:21] <Loetmichel> indeed
[12:43:33] <SpeedEvil> Some bleed air is needed - you don't want to totally shut off the vacuum for long periods.
[12:43:36] <Loetmichel> you dont need that high a pressure. -0.3 bar (which a better shopvac can do) is already 3 metric tons pressure on the square meter
[12:43:50] <Loetmichel> but you need lots of volume if you cut thru sheet metal
[12:43:52] <SpeedEvil> (or the motor will melt)
[12:44:01] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: depends on the shopvac
[12:44:05] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: true
[12:44:19] <Loetmichel> most have independant motor cooling because they are able to suck up water
[12:44:21] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: If you shopvac catches fire, then add more bleed air.
[12:44:38] <Loetmichel> so no bleed air needed with those
[12:44:46] <jym> hands out marshmlows
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[12:45:10] <Loetmichel> just look if there is still air comming our of the motor cooling part when you block the vaccum hose
[12:45:14] <Loetmichel> then you are good
[12:45:25] <Loetmichel> i use a 30 eur shopvac for it
[12:45:44] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[12:45:46] <Loetmichel> and it does 8 hour stretches of holding workpieces down no problem ;)
[12:46:03] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: I wonder how well that style of motor would cope with daisy-chaining
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[12:48:54] <Loetmichel> https://www.ebay.de
[12:49:09] <Loetmichel> interesting, it got twice as pricey as it was when i bought it ;)
[12:49:33] <Loetmichel> last year
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[12:49:42] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: daisy chaining?
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[12:50:07] <fragalot> hey
[12:50:14] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: If the motor is not cooled by the airflow, then you can attach a couple in series for >>0.3 bar
[12:50:23] <Loetmichel> ah
[12:50:41] <SpeedEvil> (perhaps requiring an intercooler)
[12:50:49] <Loetmichel> should work. but i doubt the gray bottom part would cope well with double the "underpressure"
[12:51:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - the motor is the hard part though
[12:51:21] <Loetmichel> look at the ebay link
[12:51:28] <Loetmichel> if i had two i could test it
[12:51:48] <Loetmichel> because the Motor has a "blow hole"
[12:51:54] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:51:56] <Loetmichel> so you serialize them quite easy
[12:52:15] <Loetmichel> i think it will destroy the dirt tank of the first one though
[12:55:24] <SpeedEvil> I have used a plastic 555 gallon drum as a shopvac tank before, with mild internal bracing - worked well
[12:55:35] <SpeedEvil> A few strategic rings to prevent buckling.
[12:55:42] <SpeedEvil> ^55
[12:55:55] <SpeedEvil> Actually - more like 20
[12:55:57] <Loetmichel> that tank is made of ~2mm thick PE
[12:56:22] <Loetmichel> it already flexes visibly inwards when you block the hose on ONE shopvac ;)
[12:56:24] <SpeedEvil> https://oipps.co.uk - yeah - these
[12:56:47] <SpeedEvil> A few rings and it worked well
[12:57:20] <Loetmichel> you can even see the wheely go "X legs"
[12:57:22] <Loetmichel> :-)
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[13:00:11] <sensille> ah, that's easy. might just divert some air flow to build a succion for the chips
[13:00:24] <sensille> don't want them all around the room
[13:02:07] * Tom_L blows the lunch whistle
[13:02:43] <sensille> i'm not very happy with the spoilboard taped on with double sided tape
[13:11:03] <sensille> Loetmichel: vaccuum table from wood or aluminum?
[13:11:38] <Tom_L> either would do
[13:11:49] <Tom_L> wood is more porus
[13:12:28] <SpeedEvil> Not if you paint it.
[13:13:08] <Tom_L> that was gonna be my next suggestion but i was on the phone
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[13:19:33] <sensille> i guess the vacuum table should cover the whole bed, but the holes only need to cover the millable area
[13:21:29] <sensille> and you really but an mdf board on top and suck through it?
[13:21:52] <sensille> s/but/put
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[14:25:33] <jym> MY HVAC went out a coupel days ago, been running on emergency propane heat
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[14:26:31] <jym> I JUST got into the cabinet, Blew a 50A fuse, the contactor needs to be replaced for sure, but how to do you/test if the capacitor is bad?
[14:26:59] <jym> s/you/know/
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[14:30:00] <jthornton> start cap?
[14:30:51] <jym> jthornton: I'm guessing so. Googled some saying that the "cap" is a common repair issue
[14:31:02] <jym> ...in hvac units
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[14:34:51] <lostinsip> hey, has anyone used linuxcnc with the hardware from CNC RouterParts?
[14:36:10] <jym> jthornton: I'm just trying to save a $800 service call if it's something simple. But I don't know jack about HVAC
[14:36:36] <lostinsip> They use Mach3 as standard like many others but would like to know anyones experiences?
[14:36:49] <lostinsip> hi jym whats the HVAC issue I know a bit
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[14:38:50] <jym> lostinsipNot sure yet. Went out the other day, on emergency propane heat right now. 50A fuse was blown, just got into the cbainet and the contactor needs to be replaced for sure, other than that just don't know where to start troubleshooting.
[14:39:06] <jym> lostinsip: The 50A fuse blew for a reason, don't know why.
[14:39:15] <Wolf__> just swap out the starter cap/s they are cheap enough to not bother testing
[14:39:25] <cradek> agree
[14:39:43] <lostinsip> this is on a compessor driven system rather than direct electric elements?
[14:39:49] <cradek> why does the contactor need to be replaced?
[14:39:53] <jym> Wolf__: But, I don't know if that's the cause of the problem, it was just a place to start troubleshooting
[14:40:04] <cradek> sounds like a heat pump
[14:40:16] <lostinsip> i missed the first bit!
[14:40:30] <jym> cradek: oh it's fried! I replacd the 50A fuse and I could see flames and smoke for that split second.
[14:40:30] <lostinsip> yeah if its a single phase heatpump it could be the motor caps
[14:40:46] <Wolf__> thats how hvac guys trouble shoot, toss the cap in, check contactor, cycle system to see what to check next
[14:40:49] <lostinsip> or a locked motor
[14:41:06] <jym> cradek: I JUST got into the cbainet today, it really doens't look bad, other than the fried contacts on the contactor
[14:41:56] <jym> cradek: Yes, it's a heat pump system.
[14:42:06] <lostinsip> it sounds like either the start cap has failed so the motor wont turn or something jamming the motor (less likley)
[14:42:28] <Wolf__> and of course check freon levels and hope the compressor isnt locked up
[14:42:51] <lostinsip> ^^
[14:43:03] <jym> There are also heater elements in it (20A each times 4) if one of those shorted out could be another reason
[14:43:22] <lostinsip> yeah indeed, do you have a test meter?
[14:43:31] <jym> lostinsip: I do have a fluke
[14:43:41] <lostinsip> to check the resistance of the elements, and ideally the insulation value to ground?
[14:44:03] <jym> lostinsip: can do that.
[14:44:19] <Wolf__> super cold when it died?
[14:44:23] <lostinsip> with a standard fluke check the resistance of each element, and if there is continuity to the ground/case of the equipment
[14:44:39] <lostinsip> obviously with the main breaker off!!
[14:44:45] <jym> lostinsip: I don't know IF that's the issue, just a possibilty
[14:45:20] <jym> Wolf__: Not more than any cold winter (about 35F)
[14:45:35] <lostinsip> well if its taken out a 50A device then its either a short or a locked/non starting compressor motor
[14:45:59] <lostinsip> do you have a wiring diagram/schematic?
[14:46:21] <jym> I think I do, let me try to upload it
[14:46:39] <lostinsip> ok cool it would be good to look
[14:46:56] <lostinsip> I am an electrical engineer but not a specialist in HVAC
[14:47:14] <lostinsip> I work on solar and hydro mainly!
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[14:48:22] <Wolf__> aux heaters on the heat pump kick on at <35F, pulling high delta or defrost mode (unit depending) typically
[14:48:45] <Wolf__> so might be worth looking at the heat coils as well
[14:48:50] <lostinsip> ^^
[14:49:26] <jym> Wolf__: I don't know what "high delta" is, but this unit goes into defrost mode <45F
[14:49:33] <Wolf__> or just push the compressor contactor in and see if it runs
[14:49:44] <jym> Wolf__: NUH UH =)
[14:49:54] <jym> Wolf__: That sucker is toasty
[14:49:57] <lostinsip> Wolf__: that might be scary if there is a dead cap or a locked rotor
[14:50:20] <Wolf__> will just pop the fuse lol
[14:50:35] <jym> I saw fire thru the cracks of the cover
[14:50:59] <jym> Wolf__: I'm 30 miles from the nearest store
[14:51:03] <lostinsip> but could be alarming during the clearing time
[14:52:59] <Wolf__> guess being welder and also working secondary power service tech for a utility contractor that stuff doesnt bother me as much lol
[14:53:40] <lostinsip> yeah i guess it depends on your experience of electric arcs!
[14:54:00] <lostinsip> wouldnt bother me either
[14:55:15] <Nick001-shop> Besides the cost, is there an advantage of using a capacitor type encoder over an optical disk encoder?
[14:55:48] <lostinsip> optical encoders can be prone to dirt contamination errors
[14:56:10] <lostinsip> certainly the linear ones need to be kept clean to avoid errors
[14:56:32] <Nick001-shop> rotary encoder
[14:57:28] <lostinsip> i think the same could apply if its on a machine that could contaminate it
[14:57:35] <jym> HVAC wiring diagrams https://imgur.com
[14:57:41] <lostinsip> thanks jym
[14:57:56] <jym> Going to take a pic of contactor, brb...
[14:59:23] <Nick001-shop> machine is using coolant but the encoders are under a cover at the rear of the motor connecter to a rear shaft
[14:59:41] <Nick001-shop> connected
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[15:00:47] <lostinsip> its probably fine with optical
[15:01:33] <lostinsip> its a similar argument with magnetic vs optical for linear transducers, optical is lower cost and fine as long as they are protected
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[15:11:10] <jym> lostinsip: More photos are uploading...
[15:11:24] <jym> just being realy slow
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[15:12:01] <Nick001-shop> OK- thanks - have 2 115VDC motors marked PWM- I assume I can drive them with an AMC motion controller? They currently have a pot control box but thats no good for a spindle.
[15:13:20] <lostinsip> Nick001-shop: sorry pass on this im not an expert in motion control but
[15:16:53] <miss0r> for some reason I have a plastic MT2-MT4 converter. I have no idea where it came from or what the purpose of it is. Apparently it is "swiss made" and labeled "Heinrich Schmid Rapperswil" and "+Pat.ang."
[15:16:58] <lostinsip> Jymmm: I am having a look at the schematic, all in somewhat different symbols from the ones in europe haha
[15:17:01] <miss0r> Do any of you guys know the purpose of this?
[15:19:48] <Jymmm> lostinsip: Yeah, same as me reading german wiring diagrams =)
[15:19:56] <fragalot> miss0r: electrical isolator?
[15:20:32] <miss0r> could be...
[15:20:46] <miss0r> hmm..
[15:22:14] <lostinsip> Jymmm: my prime candidates for checking would be the capacitors as previously mentioned
[15:22:35] <CaptHindsight> somebody asked about PCIe LPT cards earlier and we do a list of working cards with PCI vendor : model
[15:22:47] <lostinsip> also the "Thermistor stsrarter" (what i know as a PTC unit) can fail too
[15:23:03] <CaptHindsight> the wiki and forums typically6 list problem cards but not good ones that are available
[15:24:03] <Jymmm> lostinsip: HVAC2 https://imgur.com
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[15:25:06] <lostinsip> Jymmm its a bit of a mess isnt it!
[15:25:18] <Jymmm> And I hope the element amperages are cumlitive =)
[15:25:57] <Jymmm> lostinsip: Eh, not really. I'm used to messy wires, it's just dont want to fry anything else including me.
[15:26:44] <lostinsip> I can see the burned contacts
[15:27:09] <Jymmm> lostinsip: =)
[15:27:10] <lostinsip> its really hard to diagnose over IRC but I would check if you have any shorts to ground
[15:28:00] <Jymmm> lostinsip: Can you see what that contactor is for? the compressor or something else?
[15:28:07] <lostinsip> and also if you can check the visible condition of the motor capacitors and if you have a range for it the measured value of the apaciance
[15:28:13] <lostinsip> *capacitance
[15:28:14] <Jymmm> I don't even see anything controlling the heating elements
[15:28:46] <Jymmm> lostinsip: I dont have a cap meter if that's what your asking
[15:28:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: 50A fuse or breaker, sucks to have to have a supply of fuses
[15:29:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Thre are two service boxes. one has 2x 45A fuses, the other has 2x 50A fuses
[15:29:30] <lostinsip> ah ok Jymmm
[15:30:18] <lostinsip> i think the contactor is "C" on the schem for the main motor, if the motor is locked or the start cap is faulty then it will experience a large current on closing
[15:30:34] <lostinsip> i am just going to chop a leek brbr
[15:31:19] <Jymmm> Ok, I'm going to go see if there's a short across the contactor. Then try to unplug the cap and see if there's any shorts there. BRB
[15:41:35] <CaptHindsight> doing the no smoke dance for jymm
[15:43:12] <lostinsip> good work CaptHindsight !
[15:44:14] <lostinsip> im in cooking mode and as well as trying to diagnose heating in north america...only on the internet haha
[15:44:54] <CaptHindsight> methods_: hey is this from the guy that made the router from pipes? https://youtu.be
[15:45:41] <methods_> he does love his pipes
[15:46:12] <Jymmm> Well, there IS a short across the SPST contactor...
[15:46:14] <lostinsip> well i have worked in renewables for 25 years and that is a first for me lol
[15:46:15] <CaptHindsight> I'm guessing he missed that class that covers energy efficiency
[15:46:40] <Jymmm> Also, I think I found the magic smoke (or at least part of it)
[15:46:59] <lostinsip> oh ok Jymmm where was it?
[15:47:15] <Wolf__> motor coil should show as short
[15:47:16] <lostinsip> sorry im mid pasta preparation for my exhausted gf!
[15:47:28] <lostinsip> yeah or very low ohms
[15:47:35] <Jymmm> lostinsip: photos uploading, I have NFC WTF this thing is though, It MIGHT be a cap, but the weirest one I've ever seen
[15:48:00] <lostinsip> ok i will see if its familiar!
[15:48:14] <Jymmm> Wolf__: I just measured across the contactor terminals, short
[15:48:48] <Wolf__> eh
[15:49:30] <lostinsip> Jymmm: if its a dead short then thats bad, a very low ohm reading could just be the motor winding as at AC its impedance will be higher
[15:49:44] <lostinsip> than its DC resistance
[15:49:56] <methods_> Jymmm has survived this long with a short
[15:50:24] <methods_> he's a medical miracle
[15:50:43] <Jymmm> lostinsip: I thought THIS was the cap (might be), but the thing I found that let out the magic smoke is still uploading and looks strange
[15:50:52] <lostinsip> methods_ you cheeky bugger haha
[15:50:58] <methods_> :)
[15:50:59] <Jymmm> https://i.imgur.com
[15:51:26] <methods_> AC unit?
[15:51:27] <CaptHindsight> are we talking about the motor with a fan on it?
[15:51:42] <CaptHindsight> big cap
[15:51:54] <lostinsip> the large grey cylinder Jymmm ?
[15:52:18] <Wolf__> looks like a cap to me (grey thing)
[15:52:26] <methods_> looks like a big start run cap
[15:52:26] <lostinsip> yeah it does
[15:52:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Teh grey thing I'm guessing is *A* cap, but I found something else that blew out BIG TIME that I don't know wtf it is (maybe another cap) but I've never seen before
[15:52:58] <methods_> does it have 3 prongs on it?
[15:53:08] <lostinsip> could be the PTC starter
[15:53:25] <methods_> https://ae01.alicdn.com
[15:53:33] <methods_> you need to plug that in first Jymmm
[15:53:56] <methods_> :p
[15:54:03] <Jymmm> lostinsip: CaptHindsight HVAC3 https://imgur.com
[15:54:32] <lostinsip> its the thermistor starter
[15:54:45] <Jymmm> lostinsip: ???????????????
[15:54:48] <lostinsip> aka PTC starter it connects the start cap then releases it
[15:55:09] <lostinsip> marked ST on your schematic
[15:55:17] <Wolf__> yeah, that might be bad lol
[15:55:20] <methods_> https://www.amazon.com
[15:55:32] <CaptHindsight> a thermistor is low on resistance when cold, then as it heats the resistance goes way up
[15:55:41] <Jymmm> Wolf__: I'm not sure, I got some duct tape , to fix it
[15:55:59] <CaptHindsight> so think of it as a relay that only holds for a short time when cold
[15:56:10] <methods_> http://www.northamericahvac.com
[15:56:10] <Wolf__> thats most def a job for jb weld
[15:56:19] <lostinsip> it starts the motor then rmoves the start cap
[15:56:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Gotcha, I understand
[15:57:09] <Jymmm> SO, if it was defective, and kept the cap engaged for too long, could that blow a 50A fuse?
[15:57:34] * Jymmm really doens't know the purpose of a start cap other than it exists.
[15:57:35] <lostinsip> definitely
[15:57:52] <Wolf__> looks like a 50A hole in that thing
[15:57:54] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:57:57] <lostinsip> the start cap pulls a big current if it stays in it can blow fuses
[15:58:08] <Jymmm> lostinsip: gotcha
[15:58:09] <gregcnc> their purpose is to fail at the least convenient moment
[15:58:24] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Like at midnight in 30F weather?
[15:58:33] <Jymmm> with snow
[15:58:43] <methods_> on the hottest day of the year
[15:58:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I would replace the PTC and the CAP....
[15:58:52] <lostinsip> or when you really need compressed air for a job and the one on your compressor blows
[15:59:05] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and the contactor?
[15:59:06] <lostinsip> agree with CaptHindsight
[15:59:19] <lostinsip> oh yeah it looks pretty hard done by
[15:59:35] <lostinsip> of course it could still be a locked motor
[15:59:36] <Wolf__> lol, my shop compressor, caps caught on fire in the middle of painting a truck that had to be done next day
[15:59:39] <Jymmm> lostinsip: is it 110V or 220V coil?
[15:59:40] <CaptHindsight> and some spare fuses or swap to a 50A breaker
[15:59:49] <lostinsip> which is hard to diagnose on a seald HVAC compre3ssor
[16:00:05] <lostinsip> er pass its all 230V here
[16:00:07] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: perfect timing!
[16:00:09] <lostinsip> probably 110
[16:00:20] <Jymmm> brb
[16:00:40] <lostinsip> but id check carefully
[16:01:03] <lostinsip> i need to go and feed a tired and hungry lady with this pasta biab :)
[16:01:12] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: get a 220V cap, it will also work at 110V
[16:02:31] <lostinsip> yeah for the cap get 220
[16:02:35] <CaptHindsight> 220V will likely be a 250V cap, north american power is 208-240vac based on delta or wye
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[16:03:08] <lostinsip> most motor caps here are 250
[16:03:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, but what uF???
[16:03:53] <XXCoder> i dont think im going to work today. lol
[16:03:58] <CaptHindsight> the US has 2 types of power transformers
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[16:04:12] <Wolf__> uF is on the cap somewhere
[16:04:17] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: take the cap out, it might be on the case somewhere
[16:04:26] <Jymmm> Wolf__: CaptHindsight ok
[16:04:44] <Jymmm> Adn the PTC, you said it's temperature related? how so?
[16:05:19] <CaptHindsight> the PTC is basically a closed switch when cold
[16:05:37] <CaptHindsight> when power is applied the PTC heats up and raises it's internal resistance
[16:05:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Right, I get that, but why would a cap and or motor need temperature compensation???
[16:06:07] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't
[16:06:27] <Wolf__> PTC works as a relay but uses thermal to switch?
[16:06:32] <CaptHindsight> the PTC can be replaced by a centrifugal switch
[16:06:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ok, so the PTC engages the cap, right?
[16:06:58] <CaptHindsight> you only want the starter cap in series with a motor winding when it is starting
[16:07:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yes the PTC is in series with the start cap
[16:07:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Right, but you said the PTC is a thermal switch, right???
[16:07:54] <CaptHindsight> yes, when no power is applied it is at room temp and very conductive
[16:08:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Right, but what would the cap need to be angaged based upon temperature?
[16:08:25] <CaptHindsight> when the contactor closes the current goes through the PTC causing it to heat up
[16:08:54] <CaptHindsight> heat makes it near open circuit in series with the start cap
[16:08:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and are we talking ambient temperature, or electrical (wattage) temperature?
[16:09:08] <CaptHindsight> aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
[16:09:25] <Jymmm> ?????
[16:09:37] <CaptHindsight> it effectively removes the start cap from the motor after it heats up in 1-2 seconds
[16:09:43] <Wolf__> needs a “start timer” of some sort, thermal, mechanical or digital
[16:10:15] <CaptHindsight> the start cap is only connected to the motor for the first second
[16:10:49] <Jymmm> So on COLD days, need s alittle extra to start, so the PTC stays engaged uS longer till to e motor starts (essecnially) ?
[16:10:50] <jthornton> works like a potential relay but cheaper
[16:11:34] <jthornton> drops the start cap from the circuit after enough time for the motor to get up to speed
[16:11:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: nope, cold just means the motor was off
[16:12:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ok, so ambient temp or current draw don't mean jack is this case???
[16:12:22] <CaptHindsight> that motor needs a start cap no matter what the room temp is, temp doesn't matter
[16:12:54] <CaptHindsight> room/ambient
[16:12:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That I get, I'm just trying to udnerstand the purpose of the device
[16:13:15] <Jymmm> Not purpose, function I mena
[16:13:24] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: its contacts are in series with the start cap
[16:13:31] <CaptHindsight> are we clear there?
[16:13:36] <Jymmm> Yes
[16:13:54] <Jymmm> It's the "temerature" part of PTC I'm trying to udnerstand
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[16:14:05] <CaptHindsight> ok, so when the unit is started (by the thermostat) the motor needs to spin
[16:14:13] <Jymmm> right
[16:14:22] <Jymmm> I mena PTC's in general
[16:14:37] <CaptHindsight> your motor design needs a start cap in series with one of the winding to get it started spinning in the proper direction
[16:15:01] <Jymmm> I udnerstand that CaptHindsight
[16:15:27] <CaptHindsight> the PTC applies power to that start cap for a second and then unhooks the power (opens the circuit)
[16:15:31] <Jymmm> So when it draws enough amps, the PTC cuts out the cap, right???
[16:15:49] <Wolf__> pretty much
[16:15:53] <CaptHindsight> yes, since the PTC heats up when current goes through it
[16:16:06] <Jymmm> is that the purpose of that jumper???
[16:16:13] <Jymmm> loopback (so to speak) ?
[16:16:22] <Jymmm> https://imgur.com
[16:16:25] <CaptHindsight> and the material it is made from when it gets current through it heats up
[16:16:49] <CaptHindsight> when that material heats up its resistance also goes way up, like opening a switch
[16:17:26] <Jymmm> If that jump is semi-fried, it could effect the loopback of the PTC ???
[16:17:31] <Jymmm> jumper*
[16:17:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.resistorguide.com
[16:17:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.resistorguide.com
[16:18:20] <CaptHindsight> see blue curve ^^
[16:18:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: those are what I'm used to , but this has three terminals on it
[16:18:47] <Jymmm> methods_: are those universal PTC's ???
[16:21:35] <CaptHindsight> http://2.bp.blogspot.com
[16:22:14] <CaptHindsight> there no start cap in the drawing but that would be in series with the start winding in the motor
[16:22:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that sows two contacts, mine has three
[16:22:38] <CaptHindsight> look again, it has 3
[16:22:50] <CaptHindsight> N on the right
[16:23:00] <CaptHindsight> 2 windings on the left
[16:23:33] <Jymmm> teechnically 5
[16:24:04] <CaptHindsight> https://community.brewpi.com
[16:24:48] <lostinsip|afk> hi guys, im back and fed
[16:25:35] <lostinsip|afk> Jymmm, CaptHindsight and Wolf__ have explained it all very clearly :)
[16:25:41] lostinsip|afk is now known as lostinsip
[16:25:48] <Jymmm> Yes, they have =)
[16:26:08] <Wolf__> PTC = magic pixie wrangler
[16:26:23] <lostinsip> sorry to disappear at such an exciting moment!!
[16:26:37] <Deejay> AvE speech detected
[16:26:45] <lostinsip> Wolf__: in the end its all about dem magic pixies :)
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[16:27:25] <lostinsip> sometimes i would be asked what was wron with a system at work and reply "its pixies" the joke wasnt always best received!
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[16:31:04] <CaptHindsight> i use "haunted" for the reason I return anything electrical
[16:31:10] <CaptHindsight> works every time
[16:31:14] <gregcnc> lol
[16:31:37] <lostinsip> haha brilliant CaptHindsight
[16:31:46] <Wolf__> lol
[16:32:05] <gregcnc> the lathe I bought a couple years ago was haunted, but I found the ghost
[16:32:35] <CaptHindsight> anyone looking for a 5 ton capacity forklift?
[16:33:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: free delivery?
[16:33:15] <Wolf__> not here, need 12-15ton
[16:33:16] <lostinsip> Id love one but im in the UK
[16:33:27] <CaptHindsight> 16500 lbs empty, the forks are 400lbs each
[16:33:39] <lostinsip> I am kinda guessing you guys are all US/Canada?
[16:33:51] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: yeah it too big for many and too small for others
[16:34:03] <CaptHindsight> near Chicago here
[16:34:08] <CaptHindsight> bang bang
[16:34:12] <lostinsip> :)
[16:34:16] <Wolf__> wash DC area here
[16:34:28] <lostinsip> have you been frozen by the polar vortex?
[16:34:35] <lostinsip> Im in North Wales
[16:34:42] <Wolf__> next to B-more (we beat chicago in the pew pew)
[16:34:48] <CaptHindsight> yes, was -30C a week ago
[16:35:07] <CaptHindsight> nice
[16:35:09] <lostinsip> damn thats cold
[16:35:16] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: and lostinsip
[16:35:29] <CaptHindsight> -1C today
[16:35:44] <CaptHindsight> was 10C 2 days after -30C
[16:35:46] <lostinsip> its around +8C here today
[16:35:53] <CaptHindsight> been a roller coaster
[16:35:56] <lostinsip> thats a crazy temperature swing
[16:36:17] <CaptHindsight> was a 45C swing that week
[16:36:22] <gregcnc> capt, snow tonight and friday
[16:36:26] <lostinsip> wow
[16:36:33] <CaptHindsight> yeah then cold on the weekend
[16:36:41] <Wolf__> -17C here one week next was 19...
[16:36:44] <lostinsip> we had maybe -5 a week ago now its around 8-10
[16:36:58] <lostinsip> but then surrounded by sea
[16:37:20] <CaptHindsight> lostinsip: they say if you don't like the weather in Chicago, just wait a few hours
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[16:37:54] <Wolf__> I like maryland myself, all 4 seasons, in one week
[16:38:44] <lostinsip> apparently iceland has similarly very rapid changes
[16:38:51] <lostinsip> here it mostly just rain lol
[16:39:16] <CaptHindsight> I'm getting tired of the extremes
[16:39:33] <CaptHindsight> summer can be 35C and 120% humidity
[16:39:58] <lostinsip> I have been to portugal and had 40 but only 20% humidity
[16:40:17] <CaptHindsight> cold a dry winters, warm humid summers
[16:40:40] <CaptHindsight> we get about 2 weks in fall and spring where its 20C and sun and dry
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[16:40:44] <lostinsip> mild humid winters her with mild humid summer!
[16:41:15] <CaptHindsight> yeah i want to visit wales and scotland
[16:41:19] <lostinsip> it sounds like we have a better deal although the winds here can be relentless
[16:41:25] <Deejay> gn8
[16:41:28] <lostinsip> well if you do come say hi :)
[16:42:38] <CaptHindsight> then I'd have to visit friends in Ireland and England
[16:42:49] <CaptHindsight> so it's at least 4 stops
[16:43:38] <lostinsip> https://i.imgur.com
[16:43:49] <lostinsip> I am the blue dot :)
[16:44:18] <lostinsip> we do very good coffee haha
[16:44:42] <CaptHindsight> how long is the ferry from Dublin?
[16:45:00] <lostinsip> around 3 hours
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[16:47:10] <CaptHindsight> lostinsip: are the signs all in Welsh? just for fun
[16:47:20] <lostinsip> in welsh and english
[16:47:41] <lostinsip> mostly
[16:47:53] <lostinsip> we are in the most welsh speaking part of wales here
[16:48:01] <lostinsip> although im english originally
[16:48:14] <CaptHindsight> that would be interesting
[16:48:32] <gregcnc> expensive cnc glue gun https://3dplatform.com
[16:48:53] <XXCoder> xtreme price
[16:49:26] <CaptHindsight> without tool chest $1000
[16:49:30] <Wolf__> cnc commercial plasma tables are just as bad
[16:49:47] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: theres no tool chest version. $18000
[16:49:49] <lostinsip> yeah some big prices here in the uk for cnc plasma
[16:50:08] <CaptHindsight> no GUI
[16:50:19] <XXCoder> lol look at workcenter 500
[16:50:27] <XXCoder> HUGE cnc router type 3d printer
[16:50:43] <lostinsip> I realise that till now the entire chat has not mentioned CNC lol
[16:51:10] <Wolf__> lol
[16:51:10] <lostinsip> which is cool as at least there is more to our lives haha
[16:51:16] <CaptHindsight> request a sample, of a full size car wheel
[16:52:17] <Wolf__> 1m x 1.5m x 700mm is stupid sized for 3d printer imo
[16:52:39] <lostinsip> I am currently considering getting a CNC machine but as yet I am all manual
[16:52:47] <CaptHindsight> do you guys ever buy from a seller that doesn't list a street address?
[16:53:03] <Wolf__> ebay…
[16:53:04] <CaptHindsight> ^^ only lists a phone number
[16:53:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ebay?
[16:53:13] <XXCoder> ebay yep lol
[16:53:19] <lostinsip> i dont think i would, well depends what it was i was buying
[16:53:27] <CaptHindsight> cept for ebay
[16:53:50] <lostinsip> im not a big buyer on ebay tbh
[16:54:19] <gloops> you could buy 100 of these for 50k https://www.ebay.co.uk
[16:54:21] <CaptHindsight> "The Most Trusted, Open Market Large-Format 3D Printer Company" without a published address
[16:54:33] <gloops> (just needs a battery for RAM he says)
[16:54:38] <XXCoder> gloops: too slow to be 3d printer
[16:54:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: link???
[16:55:01] <gloops> XXCoder well its got 3 z axis
[16:55:04] <XXCoder> surising cheap lol
[16:55:21] <XXCoder> lol interesting
[16:55:25] <XXCoder> bet cam is hard
[16:55:26] <Wolf__> fdm that size just seems like a bad idea to me
[16:55:52] <lostinsip> gloops: are you in the UK?
[16:55:57] <XXCoder> fdm is fairly large failure rate, and huge size is almost asking for it
[16:56:01] <lostinsip> orr just a uk ebay link?
[16:56:05] <gloops> duplicate parts - also got 2 drilling axis
[16:56:12] <gloops> lostinsip yeah
[16:56:16] <gloops> im in the UK
[16:56:19] <lostinsip> ah cool me too
[16:56:58] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: https://3dplatform.com
[16:57:25] <gloops> im not interested in that router - just came up with something else, probably go for a lot more than 500
[16:58:03] <lostinsip> yeah, lots of pneumatics on it too
[16:58:18] <CaptHindsight> we look at those and immediately see the problems
[16:58:29] <CaptHindsight> yet their business is booming
[16:58:40] <CaptHindsight> so buyers don't care
[16:58:42] <lostinsip> I am currently looking at a CNC router parts machine as i can get it into my workshop (small door)
[16:58:44] <CaptHindsight> their buyers
[16:59:36] <Wolf__> I might make myself a cnc router at some point
[16:59:38] <lostinsip> import to the uk is fun but no real equivalent here and have insufficient time for a completely home built machine
[17:00:09] <Wolf__> seeing that I’ll have left over parts when I redo my plasma table fail idea
[17:00:17] <XXCoder> man its really coming down here
[17:00:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Roscoe, Illinois
[17:01:02] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://www.linkedin.com
[17:01:27] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yeah you have to dig for it
[17:01:49] <gregcnc> I was looking at random sites and there are many with no address, doesn't seem to be a concern these days with pp and credit card protections?
[17:02:00] <gloops> if i built another router id start about 2 years in advance
[17:02:19] <CaptHindsight> https://www.wunderground.com
[17:02:49] <lostinsip> gloops: yeah thats why im looking at a full kit
[17:02:52] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: have links to local weather cams?
[17:03:02] <XXCoder> no
[17:03:13] <XXCoder> i look outside if I wanna see it :)
[17:03:32] <lostinsip> need to get the machine making stuff cant spend ages sourcing bits and designing sadly
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[17:03:50] <gloops> any particular cnc routerparts model in mind lostinsip?
[17:03:51] <CaptHindsight> apparently I missed any direct sunlight today
[17:04:05] <gregcnc> hah, there was none
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[17:04:14] <lostinsip> oops
[17:04:24] <Tom_L> it was all above the clouds
[17:04:30] <gloops> any particular cnc routerparts model in mind lostinsip?
[17:05:10] <lostinsip> looking at the 8x4' Pro model with both a plasma and spindle on dual z axes
[17:05:42] <lostinsip> as we need to make both metal and wooden componets for the projects
[17:06:58] <gloops> http://www.cncrouterparts.com
[17:07:20] <lostinsip> yeah that one
[17:07:29] <lostinsip> but configured as in this video
[17:07:31] <lostinsip> https://www.youtube.com
[17:08:17] <lostinsip> will probably build the base/legs from steel here and make our own water table to save shipping
[17:08:48] <lostinsip> if i had the time id probably build from scratch but need to make product or starve haha
[17:09:21] <Wolf__> thats the problem I had
[17:09:31] <Wolf__> no time for scratch build
[17:09:57] <Wolf__> of course now I have a lull and unfinished machine because lazy
[17:10:17] <lostinsip> yeah its easy to do
[17:10:29] <lostinsip> I am having a major shop sort out at the moment
[17:10:44] <lostinsip> years of stuff i neglected when i was employed
[17:10:51] <gloops> just flicking through to see how the swap from router to plasma happens
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[17:11:11] <lostinsip> now me and my girlfriend are looking at getting it all up and running again with a new CNC
[17:11:30] <Wolf__> I also have a weird use case design for my machine as well https://i.imgur.com
[17:12:08] <Tom_L> dude you need a shop
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[17:12:17] <gloops> lol, should have made it from steel to add more time
[17:12:33] <Wolf__> I have 2.5 shops...
[17:12:41] <lostinsip> is that in your house Wolf__ ?
[17:12:47] <Wolf__> living room is warmer lol
[17:12:56] <Wolf__> and the machine is light
[17:12:58] <lostinsip> yeah cant argue with that
[17:13:19] <lostinsip> part of the work on a home for our possible CNC is adding heating to the building
[17:13:28] <gloops> the harley should be ok outside for a month or two
[17:13:34] <Wolf__> main work shop is a fuckin mess https://i.imgur.com
[17:14:06] <Wolf__> my home shop is worse…
[17:14:06] <gloops> lostinsip how do you swap the bed from router to plasma?
[17:14:31] <Wolf__> on that linked dual use machine, you pull the spoil board
[17:15:09] <lostinsip> gloops: yeah as Wolf__ says you can pull off the spoil board
[17:15:21] <gloops> hmm, thats the logical way to do it, plasma underneath, may be some issues with spoilboard levelling i suppose
[17:16:09] <lostinsip> mostly it will be 2 4'x4' machines in tandem
[17:16:15] <lostinsip> brb call
[17:16:28] <Wolf__> I’m looking in to building a new shop… but thats $$ and government hoops to jump through
[17:16:57] <Wolf__> for the size I want probably going to be a pain in the ass
[17:17:27] <SpeedEvil> https://www.ebay.co.uk on the things I probably won't be buying from ebay.
[17:18:13] <Wolf__> lol
[17:19:49] <gloops> he had the sense to grease them, for the time his grandson came to sell them
[17:21:13] <XXCoder> no idea what those are lol
[17:21:27] <gloops> tapered pins?
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[17:24:03] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:24:29] <XXCoder> well theres your chance to get some for 1 euro lol
[17:24:40] <XXCoder> er pound
[17:27:36] <gloops> ill leave them for someone who has proper use for them lol
[17:28:25] <XXCoder> lol
[17:29:03] <SpeedEvil> You could start a new youtube channel focusing on evoporust.
[17:31:19] <gloops> preserved for posterity
[17:34:22] <SpeedEvil> I love honest titled auctions. https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:34:48] <gloops> https://twitter.com
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[17:35:28] <gloops> 'hand scrapped' lol, thought i could see a bow in it with the naked eye
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[17:36:31] <lostinsip> hey sorry i got a call from portugal!
[17:37:30] <XXCoder> odd listing is "new" and "unbroken"
[17:38:39] <lostinsip> I am trying to work out what the tings in the tin are
[17:38:46] <lostinsip> Hi SpeedEvil btw
[17:38:59] <lostinsip> its my first visit to this chan
[17:39:02] <XXCoder> might be taper pins
[17:39:08] <lostinsip> yeah could be
[17:39:19] <gloops> they might come in useful for lining your linear rails up lostinsip
[17:39:20] <lostinsip> i thought i saw a pop rivet in there too!
[17:39:55] <gloops> bit incovenient looking through assortment of 10 different sizes though lol if youre in a hurry
[17:40:01] <lostinsip> true gloops though if i need taper pins i might get new ones of know size!
[17:40:25] <lostinsip> I am currently putting a lot of things in size order
[17:40:48] <gloops> well dont forget to grease them and put them in an old tobacco tin when youve done
[17:40:55] <lostinsip> absolutely
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[17:41:28] <lostinsip> i mean only an old bean can would be superior for storing engineering consumables
[17:43:08] <gloops> i have to admit i love looking through old tins and boxes of stuff though
[17:43:45] <lostinsip> yeah me too in a way, i am using my recent redundancy as an opportunity to do that and put stuff in proper storage tho
[17:44:02] <lostinsip> a decade of workshop neglect :(
[17:44:27] <gloops> anyway im off for tonight
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[17:44:40] <lostinsip> ah ok
[17:45:22] <lostinsip> as it is getting on for 11pm here I should head off too.
[17:45:48] <lostinsip> its been really nice chatting to people, I will be back im sure
[17:46:01] <XXCoder> later :)
[17:46:11] <lostinsip> :)
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[17:49:04] <Wolf__> off the wall thing, anyone here mess with any over moulding of rubber or polymers?
[17:49:32] <Wolf__> CaptHindsight ? ^
[17:49:48] <XXCoder> man all news is predicting rain and 38f temperate. its snowing very heavily here right now. lol
[17:50:25] <CaptHindsight> how many emails from a customer is your limit for a $100 item? 3, 5, 11 etc?
[17:50:35] <Wolf__> 1?
[17:50:49] <XXCoder> depends really on contents
[17:51:05] <XXCoder> if its help on how to use, its 0
[17:51:30] <CaptHindsight> they want a short course on polymer chemistry, not talking about you Wolf__
[17:51:33] <XXCoder> btw you missed a prime numbers, 2 and 7 ;)
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[17:52:49] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: does the overmold have to bond to the layer below or does it encapsulate the inner layers?
[17:52:56] <Wolf__> lol, I’m just looking for suggestion on 2 part something to over mould traction pads on to plastic conveyor track
[17:53:31] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: silicone ok?
[17:54:10] <Wolf__> not sure if that might be too soft, for RC tank type thing
[17:54:31] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[17:54:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.uscomposites.com
[17:54:49] <XXCoder> tanks
[17:55:12] <Wolf__> thinking drill/mill in to the plastic to hold the pads on
[17:55:25] <CaptHindsight> only up to shore A90
[17:55:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.industrialpolymers.com
[17:56:21] <CaptHindsight> a few Shore D range ^^
[17:56:40] <Wolf__> 80 might work
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[17:57:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.industrialpolymers.com
[17:58:02] <XXCoder> cant do prototype sample see if layer bounds to layer below it?
[17:58:06] <XXCoder> dont need to be large
[17:58:07] <CaptHindsight> Elongation 450%
[18:01:08] <CaptHindsight> do you guys ever send emails BCC to a 3rd address to check if your emails are going out?
[18:02:07] <CaptHindsight> every now and then it seems like sent mails are not getting to destinations
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[18:05:43] <SpeedEvil> Email got a whole lot less reliable when spamfilters came in.
[18:06:13] <Rab> CaptHindsight, sounds like something you should start.
[18:06:30] <Wolf__> thats the problem I run in to, damn spam bots use one of my emails and then my outgoing get eaten by filters
[18:06:58] <Rab> Just don't ask for return receipts. I find those really antagonizing, and of course I deny them.
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[18:09:59] <Rab> Google is trialing some thing where your email is just a link to a webpage, and you can delete the webpage to "rescind" the email. Recipients gotta stay vigilant to maintain their archives.
[18:11:17] <jthornton> I get multiples of 4 spam emails even though I just changed the email address for both stores
[18:11:40] <jthornton> there has gotta be some way to filter that crap out but I can't find it in tbird
[18:12:44] <CaptHindsight> or spam that uses your email address for the return address
[18:13:10] <jthornton> I haven't noticed that yet
[18:13:40] <CaptHindsight> i train the filters but i still have to double check or manually mark some as junk
[18:14:05] <CaptHindsight> worst is a new client that gets filtered but they never emailed you before
[18:14:06] <jthornton> I even enable capchiea or whatever it's called lol
[18:14:44] <XXCoder> jthornton: maybe try subdomain filtering. store actual email is email@jt.store.whatever
[18:14:44] <CaptHindsight> well douchebags have entire industries of getting spam to you
[18:14:56] <XXCoder> and filter out ones that dont have jt subdomain
[18:15:23] <jthornton> I don't follow
[18:15:58] <jthornton> just reading about filters and that might help
[18:16:31] <jthornton> https://mesaus.com
[18:16:32] <XXCoder> more interesting trick is to use various different subdomains as you register at sites, and when spam comes in you can really tell where it was taken from
[18:17:54] <CaptHindsight> years ago i got ~1000 spam a day
[18:18:06] <CaptHindsight> down to ~100/day now
[18:18:07] <XXCoder> dang never had it that bad lol
[18:18:12] <XXCoder> nor even that level
[18:18:54] <jthornton> I need to get the new stores setup and running on dreamhost so I can drop webhost4life
[18:19:16] <CaptHindsight> jthornton: what problems did you have?
[18:19:18] <jthornton> for a while the forum got thousands of registrations a day
[18:19:26] <CaptHindsight> crap
[18:19:28] <jthornton> ssl mainly
[18:19:50] <XXCoder> jeez bot registers
[18:19:54] <CaptHindsight> i had a forum on one site where i asked 5 questions
[18:20:11] <jthornton> ssl at webhost4life ends up costing $40 per site per year and they let it expire without even saying anything
[18:20:16] <CaptHindsight> to register
[18:20:32] <CaptHindsight> nice
[18:20:43] <XXCoder> jeez dont they want money?
[18:20:48] <CaptHindsight> just send money
[18:20:53] <jthornton> dreamhost ssl is free once you move your site there and it costs me less
[18:21:26] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: sure but they do little to get it
[18:21:35] <XXCoder> capt if company lets my account expire without letting me know, I assume they dont want my business and i move on.
[18:21:42] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.dreamhosters.com is my temp mirror at dreamhost
[18:22:21] <jthornton> XXCoder: worse than that your store is shut down until the ssl is restored and it took them almost 2 days
[18:22:33] <XXCoder> jeez
[18:22:43] <CaptHindsight> one question was "What is your favorite color?"
[18:23:15] <CaptHindsight> spam bots never got passed it
[18:25:25] <XXCoder> nice
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[18:47:51] <jthornton> I can see no matter what I do I'm going to run out of data this month I should be < 4GB and the meter is at 6.4GB
[18:49:00] <jthornton> unless I use 0.2GB or less per day for the rest of the month
[18:49:23] <SpeedEvil> That's nearly ten meg an hour
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[18:49:59] <jthornton> yea and I try and only use the free time from 4am to 8am
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[18:50:19] <jthornton> I prob get charged for checking my usage lol
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[18:50:52] <jthornton> oh wait free is from 3am to 8am
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[18:52:40] <CaptHindsight> have to find your bandwidth hog
[18:53:07] <jthornton> I left a web page open and it burned all my data
[18:53:12] <XXCoder> too bad we dont have time machine lol use internet only during those times
[18:53:22] <jthornton> multi tasking and forgot to close it
[18:53:24] <XXCoder> here its any hours but 1 tb a year
[18:53:39] <CaptHindsight> yeah suck that websites do that
[18:53:43] <jthornton> what is that a month?
[18:53:50] <CaptHindsight> autoplay
[18:54:13] <jthornton> yea I turn that crap off on putube
[18:54:29] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: yeah we used to use 2TB/year on DSL
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[18:55:15] <CaptHindsight> some months >200GB
[18:55:49] <jthornton> at least I'm not on huges net they just let you keep on going and slam a huge bill on you
[18:56:10] <CaptHindsight> i think my phone plan offers >10GB/mo
[18:56:11] <jthornton> viasat turns the throttle down real low when you run out
[18:56:16] <CaptHindsight> how nice of them
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[18:57:00] <jthornton> yea my phones are combo of 10GB/mo and I had to get my wife to quit playing candy crush it was eating all the data up lol
[18:57:13] <CaptHindsight> hah
[18:57:34] <jthornton> and watching a ton of facebook crap videos
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[18:57:47] <jthornton> finally figured out how to cap her phone data lol
[18:58:11] <sync> > 2019
[18:58:17] <sync> > metered uplink
[18:58:20] <sync> ugh
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[18:59:02] <sync> my outbound interface has seen 1.88TiB in the last 8 days
[18:59:49] <jthornton> at least I got my windblows 7 pc back up and running so I can view my cameras and make sure the chicken door closes
[19:00:14] <sync> that's actually not a lot o0
[19:00:53] <XXCoder> jt nice
[19:00:58] <XXCoder> what did you do to fix
[19:01:16] <jthornton> slap new hard drive in and loaded windblows 7
[19:01:35] <XXCoder> lol ok
[19:01:54] <jthornton> my xt is broken so I have to install it again, stuck in a loop to register it lol
[19:02:15] <XXCoder> imb xt? ;)
[19:02:15] <sync> https://pbs.twimg.com
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[19:02:48] <XXCoder> *ibm xt
[19:02:55] <XXCoder> oh left
[19:03:16] <CaptHindsight> sync: do you host pron? :)
[19:04:02] <sync> no
[19:04:05] <CaptHindsight> sync: rural America has little for broadband
[19:04:14] <sync> then I would have that usage per hour
[19:04:31] <XXCoder> i'd think they had more usages
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[19:05:27] <sync> that is very suprising CaptHindsight
[19:05:46] <CaptHindsight> sync: they have no incentive to cover it
[19:05:47] <XXCoder> jthornton: IBM xt? ;)
[19:06:05] <jthornton> windblows xp
[19:06:31] <CaptHindsight> they are supposed to cover it but they lobby for changes to the laws after getting the guberment funds
[19:06:32] <XXCoder> yeah was kidding when you typo'd on xp :)
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[19:07:04] <CaptHindsight> sync: has been a dirty business back to the dialup days
[19:07:19] <sync> sure but nobody is running POTS anymore
[19:07:55] <sync> and you have fiber to your copper to ATM junk anyway
[19:08:05] <sync> so you can at least do ADSL2+ or VDSL
[19:08:08] <CaptHindsight> if I move farther out my choices are sat like JT, dialup or maybe a 4G service
[19:08:35] <CaptHindsight> we were stuck with 7mb/s DSL a few years ago
[19:08:45] <CaptHindsight> had wimax as backup
[19:09:25] <CaptHindsight> and i could see the DSLAM from my window
[19:09:34] <CaptHindsight> they just didn't care to offer more
[19:10:06] <CaptHindsight> 5 years later comcast came through and offered up to 300mb/s
[19:10:25] <CaptHindsight> ATT wanted $1200/mo for 10mb/s up/down
[19:11:30] <CaptHindsight> they can easily offer more, but they often don't
[19:11:50] <CaptHindsight> we have had ATT fiber on the other side of our wall for 1+ years
[19:11:59] <XXCoder> wow https://www.dwell.com
[19:12:07] <CaptHindsight> they just won't bring it through the wall yet
[19:12:13] <XXCoder> as strong as titnaium but floats on water
[19:12:52] <sync> hm, I would just rent a dark fiber then
[19:13:04] <XXCoder> set a local isp
[19:13:20] <XXCoder> money money while help your neighbors has good connection
[19:13:33] <CaptHindsight> they don't offer that
[19:13:54] <sync> interesting, here you have to provide transit for other carriers
[19:14:06] <CaptHindsight> they wanted $16k to run a cable a few hundred feet
[19:14:20] <sync> or let other carriers put in fiber in your pipe
[19:14:33] <CaptHindsight> they were forced to a couple of decades ago but...
[19:14:45] <CaptHindsight> they corrupted that
[19:15:02] <CaptHindsight> they would have rack space but not cooperate with making connections
[19:15:19] <XXCoder> yeah dark fiber was hella failure on goverment
[19:15:22] <CaptHindsight> so the outside lineman would come by your place...
[19:15:24] <XXCoder> so many fibers added but not used.
[19:15:47] <CaptHindsight> he'd call the inside central office guy to located the other end...
[19:15:53] <CaptHindsight> and he would not be there
[19:16:11] <CaptHindsight> this would go on for 4-5 trips for the outside tech
[19:16:21] <CaptHindsight> then customer would give up
[19:17:01] <sync> lel
[19:17:08] <CaptHindsight> and if they located both ends of the fiber or pair....
[19:17:23] <CaptHindsight> they would have to jumper from the 3rd party rack
[19:17:30] <CaptHindsight> that guy would not be around
[19:18:00] <CaptHindsight> so they complied with the law but they would just drag their feet
[19:18:15] <CaptHindsight> could be months for 3rd party DSL
[19:18:22] <CaptHindsight> or fiber ISP
[19:18:45] <CaptHindsight> that is how corrupt they are here
[19:19:21] <CaptHindsight> and with the new FCC chairman, it's even worse now
[19:19:30] <CaptHindsight> for customers
[19:19:52] <jthornton> I have oboma fiber 1.6 miles from my house that is not connected to anything lol
[19:21:31] <CaptHindsight> sucks
[19:21:48] <CaptHindsight> they could have a wireless modem to cover that last 2 miles
[19:21:57] <CaptHindsight> but nope, won't happen
[19:22:16] <CaptHindsight> jthornton: what co is in control of it?
[19:22:21] <XXCoder> jt companies wanted money but didnt want to actually connect and have better internet
[19:22:29] <jthornton> I used to have a radio modem but an asshole next to the tower sued to have it removed
[19:22:30] <XXCoder> thats why theres so many dark fiber.
[19:22:41] <jthornton> CaptHindsight: no clue
[19:22:50] <CaptHindsight> jthornton: was it causing cancer :)
[19:23:07] <CaptHindsight> Google is pulling out of fiber
[19:23:13] <XXCoder> goverment passed law to create more fiber connections, but companies fought for and won not requiring them to actually using fiber.
[19:23:25] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: really? shame. would love to have cheap fiber
[19:23:30] <jthornton> claimed it was causing more lighting strikes on his house... won the suit and moved away
[19:23:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[19:23:48] <XXCoder> wtf thats not how radio works.
[19:24:09] <CaptHindsight> almost as dumb as solar farms sucking up all the sunlight
[19:24:37] <XXCoder> youtube keep flipping turning off autocaptions on >:(
[19:24:46] <XXCoder> indeed capt
[19:24:47] <CaptHindsight> bbl
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[19:57:34] <Elmo40> big bottle of lube?
[19:58:00] <Elmo40> bored, bricked and licked?
[19:58:30] <Elmo40> better build a laser?
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[20:01:42] <XXCoder> broken builder laser
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[20:05:54] <XXCoder> apparently snow havent been this bad here since 1923 lol
[20:05:56] <XXCoder> long time!
[20:06:10] <XXCoder> its going way past "decade snow" now. looks like 12" snow now
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[20:25:37] <Tom_L> go build a snowman
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[20:26:27] <XXCoder> lol no thanks
[20:26:36] <XXCoder> that requires going outside
[20:26:48] <XXCoder> its raining a little now, seems warm air finally arrived
[20:26:54] <XXCoder> but probably turn into ice in night
[20:27:07] <XXCoder> and snow barely affected at all
[20:32:50] <roycroft> we're done with freezing weather for the rest of the week, but we're forecast to get 85mm of rain over the next three days
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[20:55:53] <XXCoder> raining now
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[21:00:57] <Elmo40> XXCoder, where are you? my weather guys tell me that crap is on my way to me...
[21:01:06] <XXCoder> tacoma, wa
[21:01:13] <Elmo40> snow, then freezing rain
[21:01:52] <jdh> 67f tomorrow
[21:02:04] <Elmo40> well... I don't believe I'm getting 'your' weather.
[21:02:10] <Elmo40> I'm in EST time zone.
[21:02:14] <Elmo40> near Toronto, ON
[21:02:31] <XXCoder> nomrally I'd be off at work lol but weather dont really permit me to go
[21:02:50] <Elmo40> but they are calling for 10-12" of snow, then freezing rain to cap it, then possibly rain after that.
[21:04:51] <XXCoder> snow again but also rain lol
[21:04:55] <XXCoder> such a strange weather
[21:05:23] <XXCoder> Elmo40: reminds me of 20 yars ago at vancouver, we had cycles of snow and freezing rain. snow cover felt like onion layers
[21:42:07] <skunkworks> we are supposed to get 8-10" over night
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[22:02:17] <XXCoder> raining again lol but think its here to stay now. been a while
[22:10:04] <CaptHindsight> freezing arin here
[22:10:08] <CaptHindsight> rain
[22:10:34] <XXCoder> I hope it rains long enough to avoid turning into ice
[22:11:00] <XXCoder> tues will have snow late in night so I gonna keep eye on weather and go home if needed
[22:11:02] <CaptHindsight> 5-6" of snow only possible
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[22:30:48] <infornography> is it normal to have audio problems in linuxcnc?
[22:34:34] <CaptHindsight> nope
[22:34:50] <CaptHindsight> what problems?
[22:34:53] <infornography> *thinkface*
[22:35:27] <infornography> audio sounds broken
[22:36:33] <infornography> random 56K modem noises
[22:36:48] <infornography> not literally
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[22:48:34] <skunkworks> do you also have problems disconnecting from irc? that is a linuxcnc problem...
[22:49:40] <flyback> flyback> https://www.youtube.com
[22:49:40] <flyback> <flyback> there is a high maintenance bitch
[22:50:52] <infornography> that is a poor cell service problem
[22:50:59] <infornography> Im out , later
[22:51:03] <Tom_L> skunkworks really?
[22:51:15] <Tom_L> does it interfere with FF?
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[22:52:29] <XXCoder> dunno never had any disconnect issues, but then my linuxcnc computer has older version of linuxcnc.
[22:52:42] <XXCoder> and hvent been even on for over year
[22:52:49] <skunkworks> according to all internet sources - you should only be using your cnc computer to cnc...
[22:52:53] <Tom_L> i ask because i have horrible connection on my lcnc pc in the shop
[22:53:13] <Tom_L> generally that's all i do with it
[22:53:36] <skunkworks> i stream youtube videos...
[22:53:42] <XXCoder> i usually use it to lok up some linuxcnc stuff, chat on irc
[22:53:49] <XXCoder> and sometimes machine lol
[22:53:51] <Tom_L> i get on irc sometimes when i'm out there
[22:54:11] <XXCoder> is your machine shop remote from your home and use wireless?
[22:54:18] <Tom_L> wired
[22:54:41] <Tom_L> and yes it's remote but the line comes from the house
[22:55:24] <XXCoder> ok
[22:55:37] <XXCoder> not following in parallel with power?
[22:55:39] <skunkworks> and sometimes cad/cam... http://electronicsam.com
[22:55:48] <XXCoder> or in least if it is, over 2 feet apart?
[22:56:04] <Tom_L> what you makin?
[22:57:02] <Tom_L> no i think i ran it thru another service conduit
[22:57:27] <XXCoder> looks like cad in windows xp
[22:57:34] <skunkworks> how far?
[22:57:46] <XXCoder> and yet another windows vm running unknown
[22:57:48] <Tom_L> guessing maybe 35'
[22:57:55] <Tom_L> maybe not that far
[22:58:28] <skunkworks> think it is 7
[22:58:49] <skunkworks> i use 10 now for fusion..
[22:58:59] <Tom_L> ick
[22:58:59] * flyback bites Elmo40 and XXCoder
[22:59:01] <flyback> eh-hole
[22:59:16] <XXCoder> ouch! radioactive flyback bit me!
[22:59:16] <skunkworks> 35' should be cake
[22:59:26] * XXCoder turns into superhero, flyback man!
[22:59:44] <Tom_L> i wonder if i terminate it to a switch out there then plug the pc into the switch if that would help
[23:00:36] <Tom_L> it's hard to say because it's a slow pc anyway
[23:01:01] <Tom_L> i get used to my cad pc and expect the same performance everywhere
[23:02:40] <XXCoder> why not just remote desktop to your cad pc
[23:03:09] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[23:04:04] <skunkworks> that is what i do... but my cad computer is a vm on my linux machine...
[23:05:10] <Tom_L> you're using fusion?
[23:05:35] <skunkworks> currently. yes
[23:06:30] <skunkworks> 'using' is more like 'trying to use it enough to learn it'
[23:06:36] <Tom_L> i could get a 3 year license to any of autodesk products but i'm not that wild about them
[23:06:54] <Tom_L> i loaded it and looked at it a bit
[23:06:56] <skunkworks> autocad corrupted me
[23:07:11] <Tom_L> both my kids are learning it at the vo'tech
[23:07:38] <Tom_L> i'm a little jealous, my oldest is training on all their 3d scanning equipment
[23:07:49] <skunkworks> heh
[23:07:52] <Tom_L> gets to reverse engineer some stuff
[23:08:18] <Tom_L> their cheap scanner is ~250k
[23:09:31] <Tom_L> they've got all sorts of em there and at the uni
[23:10:38] <Tom_L> from desktop to full room scanners
[23:21:18] <skunkworks> nice. cant he get you access? :)
[23:26:07] <Tom_L> probably not where he's at but i could get something scanned if i wanted
[23:26:46] <Tom_L> the project he's being assigned to is to reverse engineer a F18
[23:27:36] <Tom_L> should be here in a week or so
[23:29:21] <Tom_L> another team will disassemble it and he and a couple others will scan all the parts
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[23:36:24] <flyback> whoa Tom_L has kids
[23:36:57] <flyback> I decided long ago I will never have any
[23:37:02] <flyback> except adopted
[23:37:07] <flyback> my genes are too fucked
[23:47:18] <Elmo40> why is that? pants too tight? >_<
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