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[02:26:14] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: MUCH SUCCESS!!
[02:26:32] <CaptHindsight> ^5
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[02:29:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: And thank you for the help =)
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[02:34:57] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: very nice!
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[03:11:53] <Deejay> moin
[03:28:03] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* $me just brought one of his private laptops from the car so a customer could write something in Libreoffice writer (his notebook died on him)... booted it up: touchpad erractic and not working.. so i plugged in a mouse and gave it to the customer... minutes later: "touchpad works again!" Must have been the cold, it iced over when i brought it in. Praise to Lenovo build quality, not
[03:28:03] <Loetmichel> even killable by condensation. :-)
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[04:27:14] <sensille> i once had a yoga teacher he praised the high energies produced by his practice that even touchpads act erratic: "your fingers are sweaty"
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[05:17:49] <jthornton> morning
[05:23:59] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
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[05:28:24] <CNC_Brian> Morning Guy's
[05:30:09] <CNC_Brian> Just made the mistake of building 2.8pre on my core2 duo controller box. Its like watching paint dry.
[05:30:35] <XXCoder> lol
[05:30:46] <XXCoder> im currently dd a 16 gb sdcard to my pc
[05:30:49] <XXCoder> so long and boring
[05:30:54] <XXCoder> it dont even show anything
[05:31:31] <CNC_Brian> I never realised there where so many PDF files included. Perhaps I ought to read some of them.
[05:33:09] <jthornton> yea the coffee pot just started up
[05:34:01] <CNC_Brian> Two sugars please!
[05:34:04] <rmu> XXCoder: add status=progress
[05:34:24] <XXCoder> dont think that is possible?
[05:34:25] <XXCoder> dunno
[05:34:31] <XXCoder> you can dd to be very effecient
[05:34:31] <rmu> man dd
[05:34:33] <jthornton> yuck no sugar for me lol
[05:34:51] <XXCoder> oh its option. too bad already running but thanks lol
[05:35:03] <XXCoder> hot choculute for me!
[05:35:28] <rmu> XXCoder: you could monitor with iostat
[05:35:42] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:35:57] <XXCoder> it just finished yay
[05:40:27] <CNC_Brian> Im still on qtvcp widgets what ever they are
[05:41:26] <jthornton> you might want to try QtPyVCP it's becoming very flexible and powerful
[05:42:11] <CNC_Brian> Thats exactly what Im doing, following you excellent instructions!!
[05:42:38] <jthornton> thanks
[05:43:03] <CNC_Brian> Im just fead up at looking at AXIS for 3 years.
[05:43:21] <jthornton> there is a new branch called Data Channel that is going to be cool
[05:43:58] <jthornton> https://github.com
[05:44:18] <jthornton> I did that one really fast for my bp mill
[05:44:32] <CNC_Brian> Is that a new API to control Linuxcnc?
[05:44:33] <jthornton> but I had practice lol writing the tutorial
[05:44:52] <jthornton> no, it's a branch of QtPyVCP
[05:45:29] <jthornton> https://github.com
[05:45:49] <jthornton> opps already posted that link
[05:45:59] * jthornton drinks some coffee
[05:46:36] <CNC_Brian> Yes your bp_touch is a considerable improvement
[05:47:00] <CNC_Brian> Are these new UI's going to be in the official releases?
[05:47:19] <jthornton> thanks, I tried to put what I do the most up front
[05:47:26] <jthornton> I don't think they will
[05:48:07] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[05:48:11] <CNC_Brian> Touchy isn't bad, but some of the older UI's are grim. I feel its letting the project down
[05:54:56] <CNC_Brian> Right 2.8pre installed and working so onto qtpyvcp.
[05:56:30] <jthornton> cool, if you feel adventurous try out the Data Channel branch
[05:56:53] <jthornton> I gotta work on the docs for it some
[05:57:37] <XXCoder> i need to work on tutorial myself
[05:57:46] <XXCoder> just no idea how to even do it
[05:58:02] <jthornton> no idea where to start?
[05:58:58] <CNC_Brian> Yes I would like to help, but not a c/c++ programmer and minimal python skills.
[05:59:09] <XXCoder> sorta I would just run down on creating machine, but also what to use for docs etc dunno
[05:59:58] <jthornton> you want to write a tutorial?
[06:00:18] <XXCoder> yeh 3axis-tutorial needs one lol
[06:00:40] <jthornton> sec
[06:02:22] <jthornton> http://docs.sphinxdocs.com
[06:02:40] <gambakufu> what's the difference between QtPyVCP and c-morley's qtvcp?
[06:02:44] <jthornton> I use sphinx now to make my html docs
[06:03:23] <jthornton> qtvcp you have to clone and change his vcp, qtpyvcp you just create your vcp with flexible tools
[06:04:01] <jthornton> you can also share your vcp with qtpyvcp without having to send the whole linuxcnc like my bp_touch
[06:04:05] <CNC_Brian> Is there a tutorial on installing QtpyVCP?
[06:04:30] <jthornton> oh course one sec
[06:04:36] <CNC_Brian> Im sure I found one, but cans see it
[06:04:55] <jthornton> https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
[06:05:14] <CNC_Brian> That the one. Thanks.
[06:05:41] <jthornton> quick start for normal and installation if you want to use a branch
[06:06:49] <jthornton> the most powerful feature of qtpyvcp is the widget rules they are awesome
[06:07:10] <jthornton> XXCoder: is sphinx making any sense?
[06:07:43] <jthornton> this is done in sphinx http://gnipsel.com
[06:09:09] <CNC_Brian> So if I install the branch I will get the dev tools to create my own VCP's?
[06:10:29] <XXCoder> looking
[06:10:30] <jthornton> the quick install you can build a vcp, if you install by cloning you can also checkout a branch
[06:11:16] <jthornton> XXCoder: https://www.sphinx-doc.org
[06:11:22] <XXCoder> reading
[06:11:28] <jthornton> sorry I should have linked that first
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[06:12:09] <CNC_Brian> That markup looks similar to the Confluence Wiki I use in work.
[06:12:32] <XXCoder> interesting though maybe I can just type it out and someone can polish it lol
[06:12:43] <XXCoder> it will need polishing anyway english is not my first language.
[06:13:32] <jthornton> I need to add more to this section https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
[06:13:33] <CNC_Brian> I can help with that, as long as its something useful to the project.
[06:14:36] <CNC_Brian> I will give it to my wife who is a primary school teacher. I can't spell for ...
[06:15:13] <jthornton> I use a speel cheker
[06:15:44] <CNC_Brian> So who is kcj?
[06:16:00] <jthornton> hazzy on here
[06:16:39] <CNC_Brian> Ah ok.
[06:17:01] <CNC_Brian> Is this project in python 2 or 3
[06:17:24] <jthornton> linuxcnc is stuck in python 2
[06:17:31] <XXCoder> CNC_Brian: thanks
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[06:17:43] <CNC_Brian> Thats annoying. Im learning 3 for work.
[06:17:55] <XXCoder> yeah bit concerning I had to do a ugly workground to get 2 installed on this pc
[06:18:06] <jthornton> not much different between the two
[06:18:06] <XXCoder> by adding repo to older verson of xfce mint
[06:18:07] <CNC_Brian> Im a c# .Net programmer
[06:18:31] <jthornton> I've never dabbled in that
[06:18:51] <jthornton> I did a golang project once but usually it's python
[06:19:26] <CNC_Brian> Visual studio and .Net super productive, Its amazing what you can get done in a mater of hours.
[06:20:06] <XXCoder> played with c# while ago
[06:20:11] <XXCoder> its pretty darn good yeah
[06:20:17] <XXCoder> i started with vb 3.0 lol
[06:22:12] <CNC_Brian> It gets the job done. We all get looked down on by real C/C++ programmers though.
[06:22:47] <XXCoder> honestly programmers go to shiny language all time
[06:22:54] <XXCoder> myself its c asm and brainfuck
[06:22:59] <XXCoder> kidding on last one
[06:23:36] * jthornton looks for his copy of Peter North's Assembly Language book
[06:23:56] <XXCoder> honestly havent serioused programmed anything for long while now
[06:24:14] <XXCoder> closest thing to it is vismach machine
[06:27:13] <CNC_Brian> Keeps the grey cells firing and at my age I need that
[06:27:27] <jthornton> I hear that!
[06:27:30] <CNC_Brian> Got another 10years before I can retire
[06:28:02] <jthornton> I start collecting SS in 8 months and I'm already on Medicare
[06:28:19] <jthornton> don't plan on retiring...
[06:29:36] <CNC_Brian> Is SS your version of a state pension?
[06:30:56] <jthornton> no it's just SS from the government
[06:31:18] <jthornton> wife is already getting her SS check
[06:31:27] <XXCoder> i dont know if I can ever retire lol
[06:31:38] <XXCoder> started working at decent enough wages way too late
[06:31:48] <XXCoder> started at 39, im 43 now
[06:32:21] <jthornton> you have a ways to go yet
[06:32:43] <XXCoder> yeah probably work till dead lol
[06:33:19] <CNC_Brian> When I say retire I will be just changing what work I do.
[06:33:35] <CNC_Brian> I want to do more machining, instead of programming.
[06:33:56] <CNC_Brian> Want to get a shop and a VMC
[06:34:11] <CNC_Brian> Just do jobbing CNC work
[06:35:57] <CNC_Brian> Wow just had a hell of a lot of errors installing the qtpyvcp package
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[06:42:19] <SpeedEvil> That would be an interesting quest. On the definition of the inch. Find some standard from pre ~1950 that concvincingly shows 1"=2.540005, not 2.54cm.
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[06:43:39] <jthornton> what kind of errors? paste.ubuntu.com
[06:43:46] <Tom_L> morning
[06:43:51] <SpeedEvil> Morning.
[06:44:02] <XXCoder> morning
[06:44:33] <CNC_Brian> So Im installing Linux mint 17.3, but a mistakely did a dist-upgrade
[06:45:01] <CNC_Brian> So I thin Im now on the latest linux mint?
[06:45:31] <Tom_L> 25°F Hi 23 / Lo 16
[06:45:45] <Tom_L> all downhill from here
[06:46:20] <CNC_Brian> Linuxcnc 2.8 is running fine, but the apt-get install ./qtpyvcp.... Is complaining it cant fine thousands of things
[06:48:59] <CNC_Brian> One of the errors is E: Release 'python-qtpyvcp......' For linux-space was not found
[06:49:00] <jthornton> mint 17.3 might be a bit too old for qtpyvcp
[06:49:08] <XXCoder> monday possible snow lol surpised
[06:49:25] <CNC_Brian> I did a list-upgrade though
[06:49:37] <CNC_Brian> Doesn't that bring me upto the latest?
[06:50:19] <CNC_Brian> Dist-upgrade
[06:51:31] <jthornton> apt-get dist-upgrade only upgrades the installed software
[06:52:42] <CNC_Brian> If I try the quick install I get unable to locate package python-pyqt5
[06:53:05] <CNC_Brian> Hope I haven't screwed this Ive spent 2 days on it
[06:53:41] <CNC_Brian> I think you can do a full upgrade I will google that
[06:57:33] <CNC_Brian> Doing a mint upgrade to 19
[07:00:19] <CNC_Brian> Will I need to recompile the RT kernel and 2.8pre?
[07:00:59] <jthornton> dunno I've never done an OS upgrade before, I always just install it
[07:01:40] <CNC_Brian> This is my old machine controller pC and its slow as .....
[07:02:28] <CNC_Brian> Need to make sure I de-select stuff in xconfig so I don't build modules I don't need
[07:02:39] <CNC_Brian> Took all nigh
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[07:06:05] <jthornton> damn that is slow, I had one take several hours before but not that long
[07:06:56] <CNC_Brian> Its just an old PC with a parallel port.
[07:07:20] <CNC_Brian> Need to invest in a Mesa acrd, but can never decide which one I want / need
[07:09:50] <jthornton> what is it for?
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[07:14:35] <CNC_Brian> Mill 3 axis with steppers
[07:14:57] <CNC_Brian> Want the opting of an a axis
[07:16:50] <CNC_Brian> 7i96 was what I was thinking
[07:17:20] <CNC_Brian> Ethernet to the PC and BOB built in so cab will be tidy
[07:22:05] <jthornton> yea 7i96 is great if you don't have a lot of I/O
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[08:41:52] <MacGalempsy> morning folks
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[08:48:58] <CNC_Brian> Is there a 2.8pre live iso?
[08:55:35] <jthornton> yea, let me see if I can find it
[08:55:53] <XXCoder> is someone working on python 3.0 version? curious lol
[08:56:18] <jthornton> not that I know of
[08:56:30] <jthornton> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[08:57:01] <XXCoder> hmm while theres not a whole lot difference im little bit concerned because python 2.0 may be discountined evenually.
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[09:06:55] <mozmck> XXCoder: https://github.com
[09:07:35] <XXCoder> interesting
[09:07:59] <XXCoder> I wonder if its possible to have system with both 2 and 3 and switch program sections one a time and fix whatever breaks?
[09:08:06] <XXCoder> or is thats the slowest method
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[09:19:42] <XXCoder> mozmck: nice, looks like people IS working on it
[09:20:24] <mozmck> Yes - but looks like it is not trivial in some ways.
[09:21:38] <XXCoder> indeed
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[09:22:55] <jthornton> it would be easier if there was just the core linuxcnc and everything else was an add on
[09:24:52] <XXCoder> sounds like spaghetti code
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[09:32:22] <CNC_Brian> JT, sorry disappeared for a while. The ling to the ISO says its Linuxcnc 2.7 is that wrong?
[09:32:33] <CNC_Brian> Link you sent
[09:37:19] <jthornton> oh yea I think that is 2.7
[09:37:49] <jthornton> if you use debian 9 you don't have to build the rt preempt kernel
[09:38:19] <jthornton> just follow my instructions so you can pick the desktop you like and turn off the annoying things
[09:43:01] <CNC_Brian> Ok thanks
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[11:50:09] <CNC_Brian> Am I ok installing these debian packages of Linuxcnc on Mint 19?
[11:52:56] <hazzy-m> CNC_Brian: yes
[11:53:18] <hazzy-m> you mean the ones for QtPyVCP?
[11:54:19] <hazzy-m> or do you mean the buildbot LCNC packages, lol
[11:54:41] <hazzy-m> both are ok
[11:54:52] <CNC_Brian> Yes Im trying to have a play with QtPyVCP
[11:55:09] <CNC_Brian> Tried installing on Mint 17 but it all wen horribly wrong
[11:55:27] <CNC_Brian> So made a clean Mint 19.1 install
[11:55:41] <CNC_Brian> Need to install 2.8pre
[11:56:54] <CNC_Brian> So if I add master-rtpreempt to synaptic will that work?
[11:58:05] <hazzy-m> yes, that should worl
[11:58:08] <Jymmm> If this is SS, CaptHindsight is my daughter... https://www.aliexpress.com
[11:58:19] <hazzy-m> deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org stretch master-rtpreempt
[11:59:54] <hazzy-m> Jymmm: the question is whose definition of SS are they using :)
[12:00:38] <CNC_Brian> Cool thanks jazzy-m
[12:01:58] <Jymmm> hazzy-m: SS == NOT zinc coated like that thing is. But I'm still going to buy two of them =)
[12:03:17] <CNC_Brian> Looks like the top pan rest is SS.
[12:03:33] <CNC_Brian> What do you expect for less that 3 bucks
[12:03:53] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: I'm not sure. But I LOVE my alochol burnerss
[12:04:46] <Jymmm> and those seem narrow enough to fit my kit very nicely =)
[12:06:24] <CNC_Brian> I use one of these https://www.backpackinglight.co.uk
[12:06:54] <CNC_Brian> Alcohol or pine cones, or wood
[12:07:10] <CNC_Brian> Just in case I have drunk the alcohol
[12:07:46] <fragalot> Jymmm: congrats on the national state of emergency
[12:08:07] <Jymmm> fragalot: thank you =)
[12:09:16] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: I have one of these in the car and it's what I've been using when I make coffee at 3am in the middle of nowhere with the alcohol burner, but it works fairly well as a wood gas stove using sticks https://www.aliexpress.com
[12:10:29] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: not me video, but you get the idea... https://www.youtube.com
[12:11:09] <CNC_Brian> Yes looks good, I backpack so the honey stone flattens into 5 bits. Its a lot of money for what it is.
[12:11:54] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: I understand. and yeah, it is
[12:12:20] <CNC_Brian> I did try an cut one out on my mill, but want through Ł40 of carbide trying as its very thin stainless. Needs to be water jet cut
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[12:17:59] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: You couldn't buy the material or cutter for this price... https://www.aliexpress.com
[12:18:58] <CNC_Brian> Bloody Chineses steal everything
[12:19:25] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: and your choice of ti or SS
[12:20:02] <CNC_Brian> I will buy one when my honey stove rots out.
[12:20:10] <CNC_Brian> In about 100 years
[12:20:46] <Jymmm> lol
[12:21:28] <Jymmm> CNC_Brian: If you get a 1/4" wide wick, you can use the alcohol burner as a candle, and just store in the alcogol when not using
[12:22:05] <Jymmm> flat "replacement" wick
[12:22:45] <Jymmm> kinda like this https://www.lanternnet.com
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[12:30:52] <CNC_Brian> Ive added the linuxcnc reps to synaptic, but it cant find linuxcnc??
[12:35:28] <gloops> for 2.8? its already on - not sure it comes up with the words linuxcnc - i found it with master and 2,8
[12:37:31] <CNC_Brian> nope
[12:38:08] <CNC_Brian> getting an error saying down not seem to provide a source list
[12:38:27] <gloops> not connecting then
[12:38:44] <gloops> im not a linux expert tbh, or even novice lol
[12:39:16] <CNC_Brian> Driving me mad. Going to build form source
[12:43:07] <fragalot> gloops: https://imgur.com
[12:44:06] <gloops> i had a cement mixer that did something like that lol
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[13:36:06] <Connor> Hey guys.. Opinion, What's easier to read.. https://www.shars.com
[13:36:06] <Connor> https://www.shars.com or black on white ?
[13:38:33] <CaptHindsight> will you be working in the dark?
[13:38:47] <Connor> No.. But light levels are a issue at times.
[13:39:04] <Connor> I always tend to use white on black
[13:39:55] <CaptHindsight> after that black on yellow is most legible
[13:40:19] <CaptHindsight> in the olden days there were books of telephone numbers
[13:40:31] <Connor> SO, you think White on black (with red) then Black on yellow, then black on white ?
[13:40:34] <CaptHindsight> called Yellow Pages
[13:40:49] <Jymmm> good fire starters too
[13:41:08] <CaptHindsight> B on W, B on Y, W on B
[13:41:20] <Connor> I'm 43.. I remember Yellow Pages very well. :)
[13:42:21] <gregcnc> https://www.ebay.com
[13:42:49] <Connor> OH good greif.
[13:43:17] <fragalot> get the pink one so people stop stealing yours
[13:45:36] <CaptHindsight> you'd get beat up for having that one in this neighborhood
[13:46:46] <fragalot> all the more reason for people not to steal it
[13:47:21] <fragalot> I like this guy's scroll saw setup. https://www.youtube.com
[13:50:10] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: why does he keep changing his shoes?
[13:50:26] <fragalot> keep your feet fresh
[13:50:48] <CaptHindsight> some EU requirement?
[13:51:02] <fragalot> I have no idea where he's located
[13:51:55] <CaptHindsight> the timezone is about 20 minutes ahead of the sun in my area
[13:52:31] <hazzy-m> CNC_Brian: You need to add the key, sorry forgot to mention that
[13:52:33] <hazzy-m> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-key E0EE663E
[13:52:56] <hazzy-m> if not already installed you may need: sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
[13:52:59] <CaptHindsight> Location: Germany
[13:54:05] <gregcnc> Measuring small hole depth is expensive https://www.amazon.com
[13:54:37] <gregcnc> are small diameter rods available for depth mics?
[13:54:52] <roycroft> you used to let your fingers do the walking, connor?
[13:55:55] <Connor> I remember the Star Trek movie with the big giant Yellow Pages ad and them looking up where to get the acrylic panel.
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[14:07:47] <Jymmm> Hey, I found a WORKING phone booth, so dont make me drop a bomb on ya =)
[14:10:20] <roycroft> but they couldn't find any transparent aluminium
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[14:33:36] <gambakufu> that's an israeli accent
[14:37:32] <CaptHindsight> transparent aluminum was available when they made the film, just not in large pieces
[14:39:39] <CaptHindsight> have to go back and watch that scene, they might have even used a 3d model of sapphire on the computer screen
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[14:51:53] <SpeedEvil> https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[16:13:43] <CaptHindsight> https://3dprint.com
[16:14:45] <CaptHindsight> they all go separate directions on the "CAM" side of these printers
[16:15:53] <CaptHindsight> you can control any of the these with LCNC but you end up with lots of custom M-codes
[16:16:37] <CaptHindsight> motion or position of the deposition nozzles/needles is easy with g-code
[16:17:02] <CaptHindsight> dispensing precise amounts is another story
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[16:49:48] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:52:21] <andypugh> OK, so I bought a servo motor. Now what should I use it for? https://photos.app.goo.gl
[16:52:36] <andypugh> (I know this isn’t the rational sequence to do these things in)
[16:54:41] <CaptHindsight> what the top rpm?
[16:54:56] <CaptHindsight> accuracy was pretty good that I recall
[16:57:11] <CaptHindsight> indexer, 4th 5th axis, add a trunnion
[16:57:36] <andypugh> 60 arc second accuracy, 2.1 arc second repeatability, 147Nm, 180rpm
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[17:03:16] <CaptHindsight> trebuchet winder
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[17:07:44] <andypugh> Well, first job with that amount of angular precision will be calibrating the joints on my Faro arm.
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[17:10:55] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: did it come with its own controller?
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[17:27:36] <andypugh> Yes, driver and remote keypad included
[17:27:55] <andypugh> So I think I can move it without a computer.
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[17:58:01] <andypugh> I am allowed to put 950kg on top of it, so I could use it to rotate my milling machine.
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[18:00:04] <andypugh> And they keep saying “resolver” so it looks like the 614400 resolution is actually a 150 pole resolver at 12 bit sampling.
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[20:37:26] <XXCoder> andypugh: what mug rotator isnt good enough use for it?
[20:37:52] <andypugh> Well, that might be the long-term application
[20:38:16] <XXCoder> if your machine is large enough it could act as wheel corsel for tool holders if your machine has tool changer stuff
[20:39:14] <andypugh> It seems a bit too big and strong for a carousel
[20:40:08] <XXCoder> one of machines at work has 100 tools how it works is toolholders chain lol that thing'd be strong enough for that, but do you need 100 tools toolchanger? i kinda doubt it
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[20:45:06] <XXCoder> andy honestly best use I can think of is 4th axis or maybe 5th
[20:45:44] <XXCoder> with 5th all you need is flat platform rotated by that thing and other setup to rotate that plate
[20:45:50] <XXCoder> so you have xyzac
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[21:00:07] <andypugh> It’s a bit big for my mill
[21:00:38] <XXCoder> guessed so yeah
[21:00:44] <XXCoder> maybe use it as very slow lathe lol
[21:01:06] <XXCoder> one of rotatary axis is still possible if you place it outside machine and part is held inside
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