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[00:40:01] <_unreal_> So pissed off
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[00:40:51] <_unreal_> just found out that this system for the cnc build setup I've been working on is useless. so much money wasted thanks to the FUCK head that runs the protoneer boards stuff
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[00:41:40] <_unreal_> bunch of aspects to the board that require to be disabled in order for it to work. and parts of the RPI I need
[00:41:48] <_unreal_> bunch of aspects to the board that require to be disabled in order for it to work. and parts of the RPI I need.
[00:41:53] <_unreal_> Wh?
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[04:39:59] <CNC_Brian> Hi just building 2.8pre master and want it run in place
[04:40:46] <CNC_Brian> Is there some options to config for debuild or is that just to build a deb package?
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[04:54:46] <lostinsip> anyone have any opinions on this as a possible purchase?
[04:54:48] <lostinsip> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[04:54:48] <lostinsip> 20d68e08ffee0b00%7Ciid%3A1
[04:55:14] <lostinsip> damn that a long link better shorten it
[04:55:39] <lostinsip> https://bit.ly
[04:55:43] <XXCoder> link booomb
[04:55:44] <lostinsip> there!
[04:55:48] <lostinsip> sorry
[04:55:51] <XXCoder> CNC_Brian: evenually someone who knows will come in
[04:56:20] <lostinsip> yeah im UK so appreciate that the North American guys will be sleepy time
[04:56:59] <lostinsip> didnt realise that ebay links were quite that verbose haha
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[04:58:29] <CNC_Brian> Is it servo or steppers?
[04:58:45] <lostinsip> servo, with mitsubishi drivers
[04:58:54] <CNC_Brian> The controllers look like servo drives
[04:59:40] <lostinsip> and it has a tool changer on the spindle which is more than i need but i guess it depends on the bidding
[04:59:47] <CNC_Brian> So that's over �1000 worth for starters, at its got a ATC spindle
[04:59:59] <jthornton> morning
[05:00:05] <lostinsip> hello :)
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[05:00:16] <CNC_Brian> Are you using it for comercal work
[05:00:26] <XXCoder> lostinsip: looking across it im bit concerned with condition of runways and screw
[05:00:41] <XXCoder> looks like they wasnt doing regular maintance
[05:00:55] <lostinsip> ah ok, as in lack of lube
[05:01:01] <XXCoder> its not too bad just keep in look closer
[05:01:07] <XXCoder> no its been lubed just not changed
[05:01:29] <lostinsip> I mean it all depends where it goes on the price really
[05:01:34] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:01:40] <lostinsip> Im not going to get into a bidding frenzy
[05:01:44] <XXCoder> ypu probably have to do heavy maibntance and some repairing
[05:02:02] <CNC_Brian> You can set backlash in Linucnc so even if that are a bit worn its not the end of the world
[05:02:10] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:02:16] <lostinsip> I have a machine shop and am not shy of doing maintenance work
[05:02:59] <CNC_Brian> Got to be worth 4K if its going to earn you money.
[05:03:02] <lostinsip> its obviously an older machine as it isnt the current model off the shopsabre range
[05:03:02] <XXCoder> i dont know how to calculate valuation but condition seems okay just not very well maintanced
[05:03:16] <XXCoder> jthornton: check lost's link what ya think
[05:03:48] <XXCoder> i dont know how well its convertable to more modern pc and linuxcnc
[05:05:11] <lostinsip> well I am working on the principle that it is using standard servo drives so it shouldnt be too hard, and at first it has a PC and some Win*!*s software to get it going!
[05:05:37] <CNC_Brian> Google the specs on the drives. If its got step and direction you good.
[05:05:49] <lostinsip> good idea CNC_Brian
[05:05:56] <XXCoder> well pc dont look like its from flintstones era
[05:06:01] <XXCoder> so its not too bad
[05:08:53] <lostinsip> yeah i mean I have seen some older CNC machines with CRT and green numbers haha
[05:09:17] <lostinsip> I have a manual for the drive amplifiers, having a read now
[05:09:48] <CNC_Brian> Dam just compiled and installed RT kernel and didn't build my ethernet interface drivers :-(
[05:09:49] <jthornton> nice it has servos
[05:09:53] <XXCoder> yellow lcd display lathe lol
[05:10:01] <jthornton> 22 bids
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[05:10:59] <XXCoder> jthornton: thought it was nice too, just some maintance issues but not too bad
[05:11:39] <XXCoder> lostinsip: screw is nice and thick too, saw machines with screw way too thin to carry load
[05:12:30] <jthornton> ATC too
[05:12:50] <XXCoder> 7 hours not much time lefgt
[05:13:05] <lostinsip> indeed hence coming to get some opinions :)
[05:13:14] <lostinsip> I appreciate everyones thoughts
[05:13:33] <XXCoder> my first upgrade would be small wall by toolholders
[05:13:41] <XXCoder> chips in taper ehh
[05:13:55] <XXCoder> same time wood machine it doesnt matter
[05:13:57] <jthornton> does it have a built in vacuum system?
[05:14:05] <CNC_Brian> Put it in the lap of the gods, just throw your highest bid in 15 sec before the end
[05:14:07] <XXCoder> it has giant hose, I'd say yes
[05:14:13] <XXCoder> and more hoses on front
[05:14:18] <lostinsip> yeah it has a vacuum table from the description
[05:14:35] <jthornton> that may be going to a shop vacuum system
[05:14:54] <CNC_Brian> may not get the vac pump though, can't see is attached
[05:15:03] <lostinsip> CNC_Brian: yeah thats my plan, assuming that nobody here said "OMG dont touch it"
[05:15:23] <lostinsip> If the price is right im willing to take a punt on the vacuum
[05:15:26] <XXCoder> well youre not afraidn of maintance work it would be good deal.
[05:15:29] <jthornton> ah yea I see the cyclone in the background of the second photo
[05:16:04] <lostinsip> I have a big extraction system here for my other machines so i dont need dust/chip extraction
[05:16:26] <lostinsip> but a table pump would be nice althogh not a deal breaker
[05:16:51] <XXCoder> i dont really like vacuum system
[05:17:00] <XXCoder> ran a giant metl cnc router it kept failing
[05:17:50] <CNC_Brian> I don't cut wood, but just being able to throw some stock on and it holds must be awsome
[05:18:15] <jthornton> some programmers are so dense https://github.com
[05:18:19] <XXCoder> yeah as long as you consider where holes and cuts will be and dont let it release air into vacuum system
[05:19:24] <lostinsip> I think if we get it will go with clamping and tabs more than vacuum
[05:19:25] <XXCoder> yeesh
[05:19:34] <CNC_Brian> Keeps life exciting in the shop :-)
[05:19:39] <lostinsip> haha
[05:19:57] <lostinsip> yeah at what point does the pum not keep up with the leakage
[05:20:01] <lostinsip> *pump
[05:20:33] <XXCoder> lostinsip: i was working at shop that had "vacuum blackouts" sometimes
[05:20:39] <XXCoder> I used vacuum hold fixtures
[05:21:00] <XXCoder> its actually pressured air blackouts it couldnt keep pressure up
[05:21:09] <XXCoder> cnc machines kept failing, cant spray stuff etc
[05:21:10] <lostinsip> that sounds suboptimal!
[05:21:16] <XXCoder> they finally upgraded one tank to 4
[05:21:51] <lostinsip> yeah if the vacuum generator on this is a venturi one for air my shop compressor migh not cut it
[05:21:59] <lostinsip> id need to use a specific pump
[05:22:28] <XXCoder> cnc router had its own vacuum system. it sucked even after they upgraded and doubled it.
[05:22:36] <lostinsip> there is an upgrade plan to put a screw compressor and bigger thank in but $$££
[05:22:39] <XXCoder> its HUGE, you could park your car on it
[05:23:26] <lostinsip> yeah its not a small machine!
[05:23:41] <lostinsip> space is not a major issue here
[05:23:44] <XXCoder> actually one on ebay? its small compared to one i worked on
[05:23:49] <lostinsip> oh i see
[05:23:56] <XXCoder> you could fit that machine in that machine lol so big
[05:24:20] <lostinsip> its a bit like our collection of motorhomes !
[05:24:42] <lostinsip> the VW T5 would have fitted in the Iveco which in turn will fit inside the DAF
[05:24:44] <XXCoder> i dare you... turn one of your motorhomes into drivable cnc machine ;)
[05:25:10] <lostinsip> haha on site machining at european festivals lol
[05:25:29] <lostinsip> nothing like the sound of a spindle at 24K rpm in the morning
[05:25:54] <XXCoder> would be funny. though you'd need a system to balance machine at arrival
[05:26:15] <lostinsip> just add self levelling hydraulics to the truck
[05:26:23] <lostinsip> "just" ;)
[05:26:30] <XXCoder> indeed lol
[05:29:29] <lostinsip> actually reminds me of watching this the other day...
[05:29:31] <lostinsip> https://www.youtube.com
[05:30:03] <XXCoder> air drag, baby
[05:30:12] <XXCoder> more drag than you can eat
[05:30:13] <lostinsip> I am not sure how I feel about it really, i get the feeling the little girl is not getting maybe the most healthy childhood
[05:30:47] <lostinsip> yeah its crazy, and whilst im into my tech and gadgets there are limits
[05:31:39] <XXCoder> ... is it actually functional?
[05:31:48] <XXCoder> none of shots is showing it driving somewhere lol
[05:31:59] <CNC_Brian> Anyone know ho two check which kernel modules are bound to the PCI devices?
[05:32:00] <lostinsip> well they do drive it about later in the video
[05:32:11] <XXCoder> h must have missed it
[05:32:13] <lostinsip> and then it has a massive diesel leak (spoiler)
[05:32:15] <XXCoder> so many random shots
[05:32:24] <XXCoder> I call it ADD video
[05:32:32] <XXCoder> changes scenes each couple seconds
[05:32:33] <lostinsip> haehe
[05:32:52] <lostinsip> yeah video for a generation below me i think
[05:33:01] <XXCoder> im gen x
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[05:34:48] <lostinsip> yeah same, well early x
[05:35:00] <lostinsip> based on the wikipedia definition
[05:35:25] <XXCoder> im somewhat late in gen x lol
[05:35:27] <XXCoder> im 43
[05:35:41] <lostinsip> 48
[05:36:08] <XXCoder> add videos isnt always from young people though
[05:36:33] <XXCoder> I saw extremely ADD video from guy around same age as us showcasing cnc
[05:36:39] <lostinsip> this is true, although i kind of associate the style with the millenial gen
[05:36:43] <XXCoder> there was maybe 30 shot changes in few minutes
[05:36:48] <lostinsip> jesus
[05:37:06] <XXCoder> yep! 10% with very dizzying wipe changes
[05:37:47] <XXCoder> honestly 30 is under-guess. i guessed a scene change each 2 to 3 seconds, longest being whole 10 seconds
[05:37:59] <lostinsip> wow
[05:37:59] <XXCoder> but very rare. 1-2 seconds is very crowded
[05:38:08] <XXCoder> erm 1-3
[05:38:42] <lostinsip> on the subject of videos and CNC I do like Frank Howarths videos if you have seen them
[05:38:45] <XXCoder> it got me dizzy faster tha home videos and thats not easy to do.
[05:39:01] <XXCoder> looking
[05:39:25] <XXCoder> oh yeah! saw some videos it was decent
[05:39:29] <lostinsip> yeah the whole "selfie stick" you tube style can induce motion sickness
[05:39:44] <XXCoder> most of scenes were fixed
[05:39:52] <XXCoder> but few random handhelds also
[05:40:25] <lostinsip> Frank uses stop motion animation in them, really clever and entertaining
[05:40:54] <XXCoder> you ever seen myfordboy videos? sometimes he does something that make me go ehh but most times hes decent
[05:41:11] <lostinsip> no will take a look
[05:41:18] <lostinsip> thanks :)
[05:41:28] <XXCoder> though I feel he will be retiring from youtube stuff in few years. hes been retired for long while
[05:42:30] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com watching this at this time
[05:46:43] <lostinsip> good video :)
[05:47:41] <lostinsip> I am just begining my CNC adventure I have a manual lathe and manual mill (with power feeds and DRO)
[05:51:53] <XXCoder> cool :)
[05:52:08] <XXCoder> working as cnc machinist for soon 4 years
[05:52:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[05:52:40] <XXCoder> im not amazing one btw
[05:52:49] <XXCoder> stuck halfway between operator and machinist
[05:54:00] <XXCoder> after few attempts its finally running well. cuts look good
[05:54:07] <XXCoder> (that video)
[05:54:33] <lostinsip> all my machine shop experience has been gained on manual machines so excited by the idea of something that does my bidding without me turning a handle
[05:54:52] <XXCoder> you have very strong background which will help yeah
[05:55:17] <XXCoder> i lack manual machinist background lol I graded with IT and CS degrees. :P ended up useless
[05:56:29] <SpeedEvil> CNC lets you program it so you don't have to watch while you break bits.
[05:56:44] <XXCoder> lol
[05:58:08] <lostinsip> I hope so, I was made redundant before xmas as was my gf so we are combining our skills (me as an electrical engineer/long time hobby machinist, her in web and design) to make some stuff
[05:58:37] <lostinsip> and use the workshops we have carefully build up here that let us build our house over the last 10m years
[05:58:47] <lostinsip> just 10 years haha
[05:59:01] <XXCoder> :)
[05:59:21] <XXCoder> being let go sucks but hopefully you will be able to jump up and start biz
[05:59:51] <lostinsip> I hope so it was so hard both loosing jobs of 10 and 7 years respectively within a month
[06:00:03] <lostinsip> the economy round here is on its arse
[06:00:27] <lostinsip> thanks for the support too
[06:00:42] <XXCoder> no plm
[06:00:46] <lostinsip> this channel has some really good people on it :)
[06:01:04] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:03:20] <lostinsip> We were looking at selling up and moving to england but we have just put way too much into this place, and we would loose 2000sqft of workshops and a house we restored with our own hands and get a 2 bed terrace in a city for what we would get for our house
[06:04:00] <CNC_Brian> You in bonny Scotland?
[06:04:07] <lostinsip> North Wales
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[06:04:23] <lostinsip> with views accross the irish sea
[06:04:26] <CNC_Brian> Ah cool Im from Wrexhan
[06:04:36] <lostinsip> ah I know it well
[06:04:40] <XXCoder> im wayyyy west im at west side of usa
[06:04:48] <XXCoder> and quite north in usa also lol
[06:05:00] <lostinsip> you are up late then!
[06:05:02] <CNC_Brian> Seatle area?
[06:05:18] <XXCoder> little bit south of seattle yeah at tacoma
[06:05:25] <XXCoder> eh 3 am is fine
[06:05:29] <jthornton> I'm in the middle lol
[06:05:32] <XXCoder> i normally sleep at 4 am
[06:05:33] <lostinsip> haha
[06:05:44] <lostinsip> Tacoma with the famous galloping bridge
[06:05:46] <lostinsip> as was
[06:06:01] <XXCoder> yep i drove across it couple times (new one not old one lol)
[06:06:36] <lostinsip> CNC_Brian: I designed the big solar park at Five Fords sewage works near the new prison if you know it?
[06:06:53] <CNC_Brian> I wish Im lived isn US I like back backing, hunting and shooting
[06:07:03] <lostinsip> thats the only reason I know of Tacoma XXCoder
[06:07:18] <CNC_Brian> Cant walk anywhere in the UK without bumping into someone or private property
[06:07:27] <CNC_Brian> Guns ar band
[06:07:31] <XXCoder> nope, but then i dont explore that much
[06:07:43] <CNC_Brian> And hunting is all done by dicks in red coats
[06:08:00] <lostinsip> Its a bit more frontier around here CNC_Brian
[06:08:11] <lostinsip> but yeah the dicks in red coats annoy me
[06:08:27] <lostinsip> "the unspeakable in full pusuit of the uneatable"
[06:08:37] <CNC_Brian> My mum is still in wrexham
[06:08:52] <lostinsip> ah ok you are not living there now
[06:09:00] <CNC_Brian> I know where the prison is, down by the industrial estate
[06:09:18] <CNC_Brian> Near Gatwick
[06:09:29] <CNC_Brian> For work:-(
[06:09:33] <lostinsip> Yeah so the big treatment works there has 2.7MW of solar PV linked to the works, I designed that :)
[06:09:45] <CNC_Brian> Cool
[06:09:49] <lostinsip> ah damn its all very crowded down there
[06:10:06] <lostinsip> I live near CAernarfon
[06:10:17] <CNC_Brian> Lovely part of the world
[06:10:23] <lostinsip> 600 feet up a wild hill
[06:10:39] <lostinsip> stunning views
[06:10:46] <lostinsip> endless rain haha
[06:11:12] <lostinsip> XXCoder: you know about rain tho too coming from the Pacific north west no?
[06:11:14] <CNC_Brian> Alternative energy is big at the moment, strange you are having problems getting work
[06:11:31] <lostinsip> I could get work away from here no problem
[06:11:57] <XXCoder> lostinsip: yeah? we had huge snowstorm, one thats so rare its quite amazing
[06:12:14] <XXCoder> snow is still around after 7 days for this location its amazing if snow lasts 3 days.
[06:12:29] <lostinsip> I seen some of the picture
[06:12:33] <lostinsip> s
[06:13:01] <XXCoder> unfortunately climate change is altering rain pattern here
[06:13:02] <lostinsip> on the news, thats why I heard Seattle is more known for rain than snow!
[06:13:06] <CNC_Brian> Any linux gurus online?
[06:13:12] <XXCoder> it used to rain in least once each 2 weeks in summer. not anymore
[06:13:20] <jthornton> just ask your question
[06:13:36] <XXCoder> winter is having fewer and fewer rains also. fall and spring though actually more rain
[06:13:40] <CNC_Brian> Make modules_install
[06:13:49] <lostinsip> yeah climate change is hitting in odd ways all over, I saw some pics from the US recently and thought "day after tomorrow"!
[06:14:03] <CNC_Brian> Any way to stop to re compiling modules that have already been baked?
[06:14:26] <CNC_Brian> I just need the Realtek ethernet
[06:14:50] <Tom_L> morning
[06:15:06] <lostinsip> hey Tom_L
[06:15:41] <CNC_Brian> I de-selected too much when I built RT, now no internet :-(
[06:15:54] <Tom_L> 19�F Hi 30
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[06:16:34] <CNC_Brian> Its ok we don't need to worry about global warming anymore
[06:16:50] <jthornton> time to do it over again I suspect
[06:17:02] <CNC_Brian> Apparently there will be no insects to pollinate plant so we will all starve to death
[06:17:03] <jthornton> morning Tom
[06:17:13] <lostinsip> CNC_Brian: i saw that too
[06:17:24] <Tom_L> first one is never right...
[06:17:26] <lostinsip> reminds me of the novel "the death of grass"
[06:17:38] <lostinsip> hehe Tom_L
[06:17:57] <XXCoder> CNC_Brian: yeah we are losing bugs at amazing rate now
[06:18:06] <lostinsip> https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:18:19] <lostinsip> although a differnt reason for starvation
[06:18:30] <CNC_Brian> Its so depressing. We are determine to exterminate ourselves
[06:18:43] <lostinsip> i fear you are right CNC_Brian
[06:19:01] <lostinsip> Its one of the reasons me and my partner havent had kids
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[06:19:44] <CNC_Brian> I was going to say glad I don't have any grandkids yet.
[06:19:54] <CNC_Brian> Dint want to depress everyone
[06:20:24] <lostinsip> its ok im hardened to it after years working in renewables
[06:20:45] <CNC_Brian> Do you sail?
[06:21:19] <CNC_Brian> Great for sailing up your neck of the woods
[06:21:20] <lostinsip> no but have some good friends who do, im a rare bod who moved to north wales and doesnt climb or sail or surf haha
[06:21:45] <lostinsip> yeah I have friends who teach at Plas Menai the watersports and sailing centre
[06:21:58] <lostinsip> they are mad for the sea!
[06:22:16] <CNC_Brian> JT It seems to have only build the extra modules anyway was finished in 10 min
[06:22:35] <CNC_Brian> Result. May get the machine running today after all
[06:22:55] <jthornton> that's nice that it only builds new modules
[06:23:22] <CNC_Brian> Who knew!
[06:23:41] <lostinsip> every day is a school day!
[06:24:54] <lostinsip> CNC_Brian: in terms of work etc. one of the main reasons we are staying here is the location and the fact that if we sold up and moved we would go from 2 acres and workshops etc. etc. to a big mortgage and a terrace in bristol or manchester
[06:24:59] <CNC_Brian> When I did my day skippers they made me sale under the Menai bridge. No engine, just sail
[06:25:11] <lostinsip> ah through the swellies!
[06:25:22] <lostinsip> that must have been fun
[06:25:24] <CNC_Brian> Crapping myself
[06:25:33] <lostinsip> i bet haha
[06:26:24] <CNC_Brian> You do design, or are you hands on?
[06:27:08] <lostinsip> well my chequered career has been a lot hands on but in my last job i did a lot of design with autocad etc.
[06:27:22] <lostinsip> although more electromechanical than 3d stuff
[06:27:31] <lostinsip> so im learning fusion at the moment
[06:27:43] <CNC_Brian> Got to be able to get some free-lance
[06:28:07] <CNC_Brian> My mate did all the electrical layouts for HS2
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[06:28:19] <CNC_Brian> Miles of tray work
[06:28:21] <lostinsip> I am getting a bit through my old employer, but its going to need extra stuff
[06:28:40] <lostinsip> wow thats one hell of a CAD task
[06:28:58] <CNC_Brian> Yes and she lives in spain
[06:29:22] <lostinsip> my current project is designing a super insulated camping pod thingy in fusion so we can do AirBnB in our feild
[06:30:04] <lostinsip> if im honest my redundancy has knocked me quite badly and I need to get out and tart my skills about a bit
[06:30:07] <CNC_Brian> If you get the router you can build it youself
[06:30:13] <lostinsip> thats the plan :)
[06:31:07] <lostinsip> at least in part, we have some very funky designs for decorative stuff in wood and metal we are going to try and sell to hipsters haha
[06:31:27] <CNC_Brian> Yes Im a Cisco engineer. Had enough of that sh1t after 20 years
[06:31:29] <lostinsip> as well as pragmatic stuff for people who need signs or whatever
[06:32:07] <lostinsip> ah ok, I do all our network stuff here I have recently upgraded to Ubiquiti kit (befor i lost my job!)
[06:32:16] <lostinsip> couldnt quite afford cisco
[06:32:59] <CNC_Brian> Just get used stuff you cant give it away.
[06:33:22] <CNC_Brian> Good skills to have, I work from home
[06:34:13] <CNC_Brian> How do I make the new module attach to the hardware is that mod probe?
[06:34:53] <lostinsip> I think we are going to become what our friend called "techno crofters"
[06:36:34] <CNC_Brian> Thats a new one LOL
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[06:37:45] <lostinsip> i though it quite apt, my gf is going to do some freelance graphic design work
[06:39:00] <lostinsip> and has some expenses paid gigs at festivals as a DJ so we get some free hollidays haha
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[06:42:01] <CNC_Brian> Im sure something will come along with you skills
[06:42:34] <lostinsip> thanks :)
[06:43:02] <lostinsip> Its been great chatting to people on here as its given different perspectives from the local goldfish bowl!
[06:43:37] <lostinsip> im off to make coffee and head to the workshop to carry on preparting the ground for upcoming projects!
[06:43:43] <lostinsip> *preparing
[06:43:46] <XXCoder> later :)
[06:43:55] <CNC_Brian> Cheers
[06:44:08] <lostinsip> thanks everyone for advice and chats, i will let you know how it goes with the router :)
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[07:27:28] <SpeedEvil> https://mobile.twitter.com
[07:27:41] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX foundry casting Raptor engine manifold out of Inconel pic
[07:28:08] <SpeedEvil> ~1400C/2600G
[07:28:09] <SpeedEvil> F
[07:28:19] <XXCoder> inocel mold?
[07:28:38] <SpeedEvil> yes
[07:28:41] <SpeedEvil> No.
[07:28:45] <SpeedEvil> Inconel metal
[07:29:12] <XXCoder> wow interesting
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[07:34:45] <CNC_Brian> Is the Raptor the new engine or the existing on falcon?
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[07:48:28] <SpeedEvil> The new one.
[07:48:56] <SpeedEvil> It has just beaten the best russian engines in terms of chamer pressure - 390 bar IIRC
[07:49:07] <SpeedEvil> 180 tons thrust.
[07:49:21] <SpeedEvil> Methane/oxygen
[08:01:08] <CNC_Brian> The russians will just steal the design
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[08:02:02] <Jymmm> Morning
[08:02:27] <SpeedEvil> The russian space program in many ways has all the problems of NASA, and piles of russia problems, and underfunding.
[08:02:43] <SpeedEvil> They're not going anywhere, without a vast reimagining.
[08:03:45] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: They just need a good PR firm ;)
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[08:11:38] <SpeedEvil> Fun design. Preburner burns oxygen/methane to 500C or so at 550 bar, then expands to ~300C or so at 450 bar, providing energy for pump to go from 1 bar liquid to 600 bar or so before the preburner. Thence the whole flow goes into the combustion chamber
[08:14:00] <SpeedEvil> ~half a ton of propellant a second
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[09:15:42] <XXCoder> bet some people in here need this. https://www.instructables.com
[09:19:45] <Jymmm> If you saw my hardware rack that's not gonna do it
[09:20:05] <XXCoder> its for sorting handful of stuff so bit faster
[09:20:36] <XXCoder> youre right though huge bin sorting it wont do
[09:20:52] <XXCoder> someone made a lego sorter that used 3 delta pick and places
[09:21:10] <XXCoder> pretty dang effective, easy enough to adopt to nuts bolts and washers probably lol
[09:22:29] <Jymmm> gotta toss in cotter pins, paperclips, wire ties, bearings, etc
[09:23:12] <XXCoder> if I recall right lego sorter had 20 different entries, and have couple "unsorted but specific type"
[09:23:29] <XXCoder> one outright "failed to match" bin
[09:24:26] <Jymmm> Now, if it can do metric/imperial...
[09:24:33] <Jymmm> oh, and nails too
[09:24:55] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: electronic components. Also sort by metal, and x-ray spectrometer results.
[09:24:57] <XXCoder> add in AI maybe lol show lots of metric pictures and lots of imperial pictures
[09:25:12] <XXCoder> see if it can detect and sort em lol
[09:25:19] <SpeedEvil> XRS would be awesome. Alas costly.
[09:25:22] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: resistor sorter???
[09:27:44] <XXCoder> Jymmm: workable I bet. camera to detect where middle is, and 2 arms to go to and clip to ends
[09:27:56] <XXCoder> measure resistance and place it in approate bin
[09:28:18] <SpeedEvil> Practically, resistor kits are liely the better way
[09:28:20] <XXCoder> also "invalid" where value dont match marks on resistance
[09:28:21] <SpeedEvil> as they're now so cheap
[09:28:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder: optical reader
[09:28:36] <XXCoder> im saying use BOTH
[09:28:56] <XXCoder> opticial to read colors, then use camera to clip ends and measure actual ohms
[09:29:13] <srk> sounds cool, wanted to build something like that as well
[09:29:21] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: And that's why you will never see a resistor sorting machine =)
[09:29:43] <srk> machine that would point to correct resistor from some heap of them
[09:32:05] <XXCoder> srk: or do a more fine +- ranges of resistors
[09:32:15] <XXCoder> suppose buy +- 10%, and you sort em by 1%
[09:33:11] <srk> automatic matching of components would be epic for audio stuff
[09:33:27] <XXCoder> so there would be 23 bins, 20 bins from minium to max 1% groups, error below range, error above range, and finally invalid (no resist or missing one pin)
[09:34:24] <Jymmm> or just buy 1% resistors and say fuck it =)
[09:34:34] <XXCoder> yeah depends on price really
[09:35:04] <XXCoder> honestly refinement isnt major goal of it, just having piles of resistors and wanna sort em is
[09:35:28] <XXCoder> even better if it could do any electrics (besides complex ones like chips)
[09:35:30] <Jymmm> WOOHOO My order has shipped, only 60 dys till it arrives =)
[09:35:41] <XXCoder> oh thats fun. boat eh?
[09:36:33] <Jymmm> Yeah, pot stand for my alcohol burner, just hope it fits my kit
[09:37:13] <XXCoder> well lkaters hope lostinsip gets that machine if its good
[09:37:27] <Jymmm> XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com
[09:37:50] <XXCoder> interersting
[09:38:01] <XXCoder> off now later :)
[09:38:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Yeah, easier than making my own
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[09:55:49] <Jymmm> Mmmmmmmmm BRAINZZZZZZ https://www.amazon.com
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[11:03:49] <CNC_Brian> Qtpyvcp with linuxcnc RIP, getting error no module named linuxcnc??
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[11:52:54] <PL7icnc> Hello :o
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[11:57:44] <PL7icnc> in forum some doppelpostings
[12:04:33] <Loetmichel> *hmpf* just bought 3 32gb usb2 thumbdrives made by toshiba at the local grocery store... Now i know why they were on sale for 6 eur each... <4mb/se writing speed... THAT will take a while for h2testw.exe to test for real 32gb...
[12:06:49] <PL7icnc> Loetmichel, price
[12:07:04] <Loetmichel> 6 eur each
[12:07:22] <PL7icnc> Loetmichel, grocery mediaM
[12:07:28] <Loetmichel> nope. toom
[12:07:47] <PL7icnc> 3.0 or still 2.0
[12:07:52] <Loetmichel> 2,0
[12:08:05] <Loetmichel> bit even for 2.0 <4mb/sec is a bit slow ;)
[12:08:13] <Loetmichel> *but
[12:08:44] <PL7icnc> i need to move Off Tschau
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[12:54:07] <treats> Could anyone suggest some favorite strategies for clearing a relief? I want to finish with a morphed spiral then pencil, if that impacts anything.
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[13:02:14] <lostinsip> hello :)
[13:02:41] <lostinsip> i didnt get the Shop Sabre from ebay I was outbid :(
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[13:03:26] <lostinsip> will await another machine to appear in my range now I am more convinced by a used machine generally
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[13:20:26] <lostinsip> hey gloops :)
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[14:48:23] <togo> Any of you guys are actively involved in developing (hacking) LinuxCNC?
[14:53:48] <togo> I wonder what are the angles of attack supported or in development for 'closing the loop', such as in optimizing stepper acceleration or avoiding skipped steps?
[15:10:53] <gloops> encoder > linuxcnc
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[15:34:55] <gregcnc> togo you can run encoder feedback with steppers https://youtu.be
[15:39:30] <gloops> i never got round to encoders but i want to at some point
[15:39:53] <gloops> was going to try adding encoders to screw shafts
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[15:46:03] <togo> gregcnc: thanks, but I don't have encoders on my steppers
[15:46:19] <gloops> https://www.model-engineer.co.uk
[15:46:27] <gloops> something similar
[15:46:38] <gloops> hi lostinsip wasnt looking earlier
[15:46:52] <togo> gloops: I was wondering if I used current sensors for each stepper driver?
[15:47:05] <gregcnc> current won't tell you much
[15:47:18] <gregcnc> stepper just need to be tuned
[15:47:31] <gloops> you want rotary encoders, optical
[15:48:08] <togo> The encoder would have to have more resolution than the stepper has steps right?
[15:48:20] <gloops> i went into it to do it myself but over a year ago ive forgot now, best way seemed to add an encoder to the screw shaft
[15:48:40] <gregcnc> as much resolution as you want
[15:49:01] <gregcnc> Emco built stepper machines with a single index pulse per rev
[15:49:15] <togo> If it had less resolution than the stepper has steps you would be partially blind, no?
[15:49:23] <gregcnc> if the index doesn't come at the correct number of steps it errs
[15:49:36] <lostinsip> hey gloops :)
[15:49:45] <lostinsip> sorry was distracted by the internet haha
[15:50:01] <gregcnc> of course if many movements are less than one screw rev it may be a while before it's caught
[15:50:14] <gloops> ive got this on autojoin - dont even noticed its connected at time
[15:50:49] <lostinsip> fair enough, i am not on many IRC channels
[15:50:50] <togo> how about a microphone on the stepper?
[15:50:58] <gregcnc> if you are missing a lot of steps you probably need bigger steppers
[15:51:06] <togo> cause usually the missed step is quite a knock
[15:51:58] <togo> so it the mcrophone triggers go to pause and home and restart...
[15:52:10] <lostinsip> I am slightly miffed i missed out on a cnc machine on ebay
[15:52:27] <togo> Maybe microphone in combination with current sensor?
[15:52:45] <togo> lostinsip: hate when that happens!
[15:52:51] <gregcnc> Eh i'm glad I missed some when i was looking for a lathe and ended up with the one I did
[15:53:39] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[15:53:41] <lostinsip> yeah togo, I just hope that a better and cheaper machine comes along
[15:53:45] <gloops> how about those?
[15:54:26] <lostinsip> im just trying to avoid having too much chinese in my upcoming CNC diet!
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[15:54:57] <lostinsip> with no offence to the nation or its people but i am still not convinced by the importers
[15:55:23] <lostinsip> when a UK agent cant even bother to correct the english in a spec it gives me pause
[15:56:46] <gregcnc> I don't think there is a "UK agent" they just pay people to list for them
[15:57:16] <gloops> heard a few horror stories from people who bought machines from china, think most end up reasonably satisified though
[15:57:30] <gloops> err satisfied
[15:59:08] <lostinsip> I guess i am just nervous about a lack of tech support if there are any issues
[15:59:37] <lostinsip> essentially i just dont have the money for the machines i would like, age old story
[15:59:48] <gloops> not a great issue with a stepper type machine, replacement bits are cheap
[16:00:18] <gloops> most are direct copies of quality western components
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[16:01:57] <lostinsip> Yeah its true and most of the bits that could go on a machine in the uk are imports
[16:03:08] <togo> What about those trinamics drivers that say they ca do without encoders?
[16:03:37] <togo> It looks quite good in their demo videos
[16:04:33] <togo> https://www.youtube.com
[16:04:48] <gloops> tb6600 driver is toshiba - china makes and sells thousands a week, DM542 is copy of Leadshine - you cant tell the difference
[16:06:36] <gloops> i dont think youll really need closed loop for a laser/router togo
[16:08:05] <gloops> i dont have any issue with lost steps, dont even think about it now, unless i try cutting to fast or hard, work within the motors ability
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[16:08:30] <togo> I am an idealist... I know when I leave loops open I am asking for trouble in the long run, and I will never achieve really smart machines
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[16:09:12] <gregcnc> if job material or runtime is a large investment, it's better to make a more reliable machine
[16:09:36] <gloops> well i like to play with this stuff and ill get round to encoders when i have time
[16:10:00] <gloops> end of the day the machine is for work
[16:10:52] <togo> I think the trinamics guys are on to something
[16:11:01] <gloops> im at a crucial stage in the development of my funeral urns, i cant start messing with the config lol
[16:11:16] <togo> no other companies has approached it like - that purely electronically?
[16:11:34] <togo> gloops: for yourself?
[16:11:47] <togo> your Urns?
[16:11:59] <gloops> no togo, ive got years left in me
[16:12:19] <togo> hopefully!
[16:12:44] <gloops> i put a heart on one and gave it the mrs for valentines
[16:13:19] <togo> gloops: with chocolates inside?
[16:13:36] <gloops> nah im not that soppy
[16:15:18] <togo> that trinamics development is pretty recent right?
[16:16:17] <gloops> ive not looked at it
[16:17:50] <togo> they will have to fear the wrath of the encoder and end stop maker industry worldwide ;)
[16:19:37] <gregcnc> same people make encoders that make those hall encoders
[16:20:01] <Tom_L> what's up today?
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[16:20:48] <togo> yes thats another truely amazing feat that thea were apparently able to get the info just via current and voltage withour requiring in stepper field sensors
[16:21:37] <togo> like BLDC with hall sensors is normally far superior to sensorless
[16:21:40] <gregcnc> somebody got wise and applied sensors BLDC sensing to read steppers
[16:21:55] <gregcnc> sensorless BLDC
[16:22:36] <togo> makes me wonder what kind of computing power they integrated in their stepper drivers
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[16:23:36] <Tom_L> http://www.excitron.com
[16:23:44] <Tom_L> they _were_ using avr
[16:26:09] <lostinsip> exitron sounds like a name from a 50s sci-fi :)
[16:26:26] <Tom_L> heh
[16:27:26] <lostinsip> just what the name conjoured in my head, im sure their motion control kit is great!
[16:27:37] <Tom_L> no idea
[16:28:28] <lostinsip> it doesnt matter just my daft thought processes!
[16:34:54] <Loetmichel> sooo, finally got those thumbdrives checked: all 3 32gb are good. but VEEEEERY slow... -> Schreibrate: 3,69 MByte/s Leserate: 27,9 MByte/s H2testw v1.4
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[16:48:47] <lostinsip> I am vaguely looking at this machine having lost out on the Shop Sabre, any thoughts on the machne, the brand or anything really?
[16:49:26] <lostinsip> it has the advantage of being relatively close to me
[16:52:47] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:56:05] <gloops> link lostinsip?
[16:58:16] <lostinsip> https://bit.ly
[16:58:18] <lostinsip> oops
[16:58:31] <lostinsip> im not on the case at all today sorry
[16:58:53] <lostinsip> at least i shortened the link this time!
[17:02:32] <gloops> its all there, industrial machine, vac bed, software, dust extraction
[17:03:22] <lostinsip> yeah it seems pretty modern too
[17:04:19] <lostinsip> i guess i will have to see how the bidding goes, i always get anxious with ebay
[17:04:24] <gloops> not sure what that cut is supposed to be though, looks a bit rough
[17:04:43] <gloops> suppose the question is - how many miles on the clock
[17:05:15] <lostinsip> yeah it looks like a cock up in MDF!
[17:06:12] <lostinsip> I will message the seller, he seems to be a bit grumpy from the comments but we shall see!
[17:06:49] <Tom_L> maybe cash would make him less grumpy
[17:07:59] <lostinsip> good point Tom_L
[17:08:52] <lostinsip> I will ask about hours run/age and I also need to ask if he has means to load, assume he has but i dont have a highway capable fork lift!
[17:12:57] <lostinsip> I have asked the questions, hope he does not think I am asking stupid ones!
[17:13:52] <gloops> they are 32k + vat new
[17:14:24] <gloops> probably 50k of stuff in that bundle
[17:16:32] <lostinsip> it sounds quite tempting, although our business plan does not currently cover ply lining kits, but hey it might make a few quid as a sideline
[17:17:07] <lostinsip> thanks for the pricing heads up :)
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[17:28:07] <gloops> rapid speed apparently 30m/min
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[17:44:28] <lostinsip> thats pretty fast :)
[17:44:51] <lostinsip> sorry been in deep discussions about e-commerce solutions here
[17:45:13] <lostinsip> time for me to watch some telly and stop thinking!
[17:45:34] <lostinsip> thanks for your advice gloops I will let you know how it goes!
[17:45:39] <lostinsip> gn :)
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[20:30:42] <MacGalempsy> greetings this Saturday evening.
[20:30:59] <Tom_L> nice cold winter night
[20:35:07] <MacGalempsy> ugggggh....nooooo
[20:35:30] <MacGalempsy> we got tricked with 75deg on Valentine's Day, then 30s the next day...
[20:45:52] <jthornton> it's so odd to not have to steer a car or turn off cruse when a car goes slower than you
[20:47:03] <MacGalempsy> what did you get that does that?
[20:47:23] <Wolf__> plow? =D
[20:47:26] <jthornton> Honda Hybrid Insight Turing
[20:47:35] <jthornton> Touring even
[20:48:39] <jthornton> it does pretty good at staying in the lane and going around curves and does excellent and maintaining the set distance from the next vehicle
[20:49:23] <MacGalempsy> nice. so cross country should be a delight?
[20:50:31] <jthornton> yea that's what I'm thinking
[20:51:12] <jthornton> was behind a truck and when it slowed down the car slowed down with it, that's pretty amazing to me
[20:52:33] <MacGalempsy> nice. I still have to hit the brakes!
[20:52:39] <Wolf__> I got to play with the auto radar cruise when I had a loaner from VW, was pretty cool being able to set the top speed and follow distance
[20:54:23] <jthornton> yea I really like that feature, no more kicking the cruse off and on and fiddling with the slow down speed up buttons
[20:54:50] <jthornton> it reads the speed limit signs and displays the last one it saw on the dash lol
[20:55:01] <Wolf__> thats cool
[20:55:21] <jthornton> no more wtf was the last speed limit sign lol
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[20:57:31] <Wolf__> I usually just keep waze app open for that if i’m out side my normal OA
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[20:59:01] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: nahhh its mercy for lovers
[20:59:17] <Wolf__> I wouldnt mind a car w/ full auto pilot for traffic
[21:00:02] <SpeedEvil> M1A1 autopilot
[21:01:45] <MacGalempsy> When the committee desides the population is too high, they will just crash all the autopilot cars at once.
[21:10:24] <Wolf__> SpeedEvil: maintenance cost too high, almost as bad as a Mercedes
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[21:28:26] <jthornton> naw they will just send out the scoop trucks when they run low of soylent green
[21:29:45] <XXCoder> heys
[21:29:55] <XXCoder> jthornton: thankfully none of my soylent is green
[21:35:20] <jthornton> yea, and time for me to retire see you in the morning
[21:35:42] <XXCoder> later :)
[21:53:57] <MacGalempsy> likewise, going to bounce out for the night.
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