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[03:11:11] <Deejay> moin
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[03:27:38] <norias> hi
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[04:50:04] <jthornton> morning
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[04:50:48] <norias> morning
[04:51:04] <XXCoder> morninh
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[04:57:30] <norias> what's the difference between linuxcnc and machinekit?
[04:57:48] <XXCoder> machinekit is fork of linuxcnc
[04:58:04] <norias> makes sense
[04:58:09] <norias> different approach?
[04:58:31] <XXCoder> a bit. if I recall right theres couple improvements but linuxcnc has better many other stuff also
[04:58:39] <norias> right on
[04:58:41] <jthornton> no telling anymore, that's been a long time ago but mainly machinekit is for single board computers I think
[04:59:02] <XXCoder> expecially with new and much more customizable gui like one made by our friend jt here
[04:59:46] <jthornton> I didn't code it, I just documented it
[05:00:05] <XXCoder> oh well documented :)
[05:02:14] <jthornton> hmm someone is in the nest box very early this morning (it's 4am here)
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[05:58:33] <XXCoder> jthornton: think you can trust this? lol https://www.aliexpress.com
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[06:07:18] <fl0rene> hello guys, i hope this is the right place to ask some questions about linuxcnc?? But i really need some help...
[06:07:34] <Loetmichel> yes
[06:07:50] <fl0rene> Thank
[06:08:58] <XXCoder> yep :)
[06:09:20] <XXCoder> its shocking how cheap shitty mics is now
[06:09:20] <fl0rene> Yesterday I reached the limit of ToolSlots (55) in linuxcnc, Searched the web for an answer but only fond a solution wit recompiling linuxcnc
[06:09:33] <XXCoder> last time i checked em it was 20 bucks for cheapest
[06:12:21] <SpeedEvil> Shitty does not always mean inaccurate.
[06:12:28] <SpeedEvil> Or not meeting specs.
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[06:12:39] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:12:49] <fl0rene> i am using the whezzy.iso with linuxcnc 7.8.? i think (sorry but iam not at my machine) for years and edited my configuration and hal added a webcam for edgefinding, and i really dont want to recofigure all thesse settings
[06:14:01] <fl0rene> is there a way to do this without recompiling linuxcnc which i missed on the web
[06:14:53] <CNC_Brian> Guy's, getting strange latency glitches with the RT kernel. Typical latency from the updating figure on the base thread is in the 25000ns, but the Max Jitter is 8,000,000
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[06:15:19] <CNC_Brian> The standard linux cnc 2.7 Live image runs fine
[06:15:22] <fl0rene> i have never compiled something for linux, so it is really hard for me to figure out how to do it.
[06:15:32] <XXCoder> 8 million! even my shitty laptop didnt go over 1/4 million
[06:16:07] <XXCoder> fl0rene: never did it myself hopefully someone will answer. :)
[06:16:59] <CNC_Brian> The odd this is just by looking at the moving figure its in the 250000 range, but must be the occasional horrible 8000000
[06:17:35] <CNC_Brian> Only think I can think of is the kernel was built on a different machine and cloned
[06:17:47] <CNC_Brian> Could that be an issue?
[06:18:14] <rmu> no
[06:18:20] <CNC_Brian> bugger
[06:18:29] <rmu> what type of kernel is that
[06:18:35] <rmu> rt-preempt, rtai, ?
[06:18:46] <CNC_Brian> Rt-preempt latest
[06:19:07] <CNC_Brian> Followed JT's distructions
[06:19:15] <rmu> do you use anything like proprietary nvidia or amd opengl drivers?
[06:20:01] <rmu> does dmesg show anything interesting when this 8 million thing happens?
[06:21:11] <rmu> 8 milliseconds is eternity for the cpu... strange
[06:21:14] <CNC_Brian> No its a old pentium Ive just updated so I can build some nice QtPyVCP UI's
[06:21:36] <CNC_Brian> Just using the build in GPU
[06:22:04] <CNC_Brian> So there is no benefit in re-compiling the kernel
[06:22:07] <rmu> pentium doesn't say that much really... i have an "old pentiums" gen-1 running at 60MHz
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[06:23:07] <rmu> CNC_Brian: the kernel is from debian?
[06:23:13] <CNC_Brian> Got a feeling its s 2Ghz Core 2 duo, I will go and check the dmesg
[06:23:27] <rmu> CNC_Brian: what does uname -a say?
[06:23:31] <CNC_Brian> Im using Linux Mint
[06:23:54] <CNC_Brian> Will go and check down in the shop
[06:24:17] <rmu> don't have network? just ssh into the machine
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[06:28:48] <CNC_Brian> So unman -a is 4.11.9-rt7
[06:28:55] <Deejay> uname
[06:29:16] <CNC_Brian> sorry bloody spelling checker
[06:29:27] <CNC_Brian> uname -a
[06:29:55] <CNC_Brian> SMP PREEMPT TR
[06:30:00] <CNC_Brian> SMP PREEMPT RT
[06:30:04] <rmu> that sounds ok
[06:30:51] <rmu> so i suspect either some driver causing this (but should show something in dmesg) or power management/thermal throttling or something like that
[06:31:01] <CNC_Brian> Seeing something about Perf Int took too long lowering Kernel.perf to 40500
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[06:31:52] <CNC_Brian> Think I will rebuild the kernel with everything turned off.
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[06:32:43] <CNC_Brian> There are lots of lines about bluetooth and I done even have bluetooth.
[06:33:22] <CNC_Brian> Will do a rebuild and report back!
[06:35:38] <rmu> did you build the kernel yourself?
[06:35:40] <jthornton> fl0rene: the issue is the NML limitation
[06:35:58] <jthornton> 56 tools is the max tool table size
[06:36:47] <jthornton> XXCoder: I got a $2 off coupon so $0.69 plus shipping lol
[06:37:05] <XXCoder> lol getting one too? i ordered one
[06:37:23] <XXCoder> can "acciently" drop one at work as a joke. or more likely keep at home for metric stuff
[06:38:45] <fl0rene> jthornton: I found something on the net about it! Bot the only way to fix it is to change some lines before compiling or re-compiling, isnt it?
[06:40:30] <fl0rene> jthornton: Or is there a way to change the limitation without recompiling??
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[06:42:36] <fl0rene> found this on the web to solve it with recompiling: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[06:44:37] <jthornton> building a RIP is fairly straight forward to do
[06:45:52] <fl0rene> Once I updated to linuxcnc 2.8 and as i started my machine the webcam-intigration did work any more! So i want to stay with 2.7.? becase all i added is working fine in 2.7
[06:46:20] <CNC_Brian> Rmu: https://github.com
[06:46:27] <CNC_Brian> Looks like a bug
[06:53:56] <fl0rene> how do you mean "a RIP is fairly straight forward to do"?? How can i fix the issue wit RIP??
[06:59:56] <fl0rene> I have never compiled linuxcnc for linux, i just installed the wheezy.iso including linuxcnc!! customised my hal and some other things adden pyvcp, ngcgui and some drivers for joypad and webcam, did a M6 remap! I did this over long time so i dont want to loose my settings , drivers and so on...
[07:00:26] <XXCoder> calm down man
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[07:05:59] <rmu> RIP == run in place
[07:06:36] <rmu> CNC_Brian: seriously, you are running ZFS on linux on your CNC mill? i wouldn't do that.
[07:08:03] <fl0rene> rmu: But how can RIP fix the tool-slot problem without recompiling??
[07:08:25] <rmu> it can't, you have to recompile
[07:08:44] <rmu> or wait for 2.8 release, i think tool stuff is overhauled in 2.8
[07:08:58] <rmu> but that may be months/years in the future
[07:09:37] <rmu> CNC_Brian: try this https://packages.debian.org kernel
[07:12:17] <jthornton> when you build a rip you compile
[07:12:47] <jthornton> you could also build a deb and install that
[07:14:40] <fl0rene> how can this be done, do you have a tutorial for me how i can fix it??
[07:17:20] <XXCoder> fl0rene: if youre so concerned, get another hard drive, install another copy and use it to attempt stuff
[07:17:38] <XXCoder> if it works you can then do again on regular drive, or copy configuration and stuff over
[07:17:56] <XXCoder> also make backups. never fly without backups.
[07:18:19] <fl0rene> after installing a deb, will my changes still be there or do i have to do all changes again?
[07:18:43] <jthornton> what changes?
[07:18:44] <fl0rene> I do have some backups, done with clonezilla!
[07:19:55] <fl0rene> my settings for the steppers and my pyvcp, limits, web-cam, joypad,...
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[07:21:12] <jthornton> installing a deb will not change what's in your user directories but a backup is always safer
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[07:23:28] <fl0rene> Thanks a lot for your time and help! Is there a tutorial on the web how to create a deb and install it?
[07:24:23] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[07:25:06] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com I wrote that for linux mint 19 but the procedure is the same
[07:25:38] * jthornton thinks he just deleted his new store and should not have...
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[07:30:13] <fl0rene> jthornton: Thanks again, will give it a try - is there a problem if i have rtai rt kernel! I think on the wheezy.iso is rtai kernel, isnt it?
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[07:40:27] <jthornton> yea the live cd is rtai IIRC
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[07:44:18] <fl0rene> is it a problem to use the given tutorial on rtai IIRC kernel?
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[07:45:19] <fl0rene> Because it says PREEMPT RT is a important part!!!
[07:54:29] <jthornton> preempt is required for uspace and that tutorial is for uspace
[07:57:15] * Tom_L thinks jthornton needed the windows feature that says "' are you really sure you wanna delete this "
[07:58:28] <jthornton> lol
[07:58:36] <Tom_L> morning.
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[07:59:11] <fl0rene> jthornton: Nevertheless, thanks a lot for your patience.
[07:59:19] <jthornton> fl0rene: one sec
[07:59:41] <fl0rene> Ok
[07:59:56] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:00:37] <jthornton> that should work to build 2.7
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[08:04:42] <fl0rene> jthornton: Thanks again! I appreciate your patience. I'll give it a try after one more backup!! Thanks a lot, and have a nice day :-)
[08:05:06] <jthornton> your welcome
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[08:22:19] <XXCoder> good morning!
[08:23:13] <XXCoder> https://www.weather.gov
[08:23:21] <XXCoder> im right in highest uncertainity area lol
[08:24:08] <XXCoder> later
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[10:35:03] <Loetmichel> maaan, still sitting at work milling enclosure components and soldering cables... how did i misjudge the time requirement for that project SO badly? thurstday 08:00 to 01:00, saturday 10:00 to 18:00, today 10:00 to no idea (its 16:45 here now)... and still nowhere near done... and it absolutely has be at the customer monday morning at 09:00... 400km away.. .-(
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[11:04:54] <Jymmm> GREAT... NOT!!!! Denatured alcohol is NOT FOR SALE in Kommifornia anymore
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[11:10:32] <rmu> Loetmichel: check your clock
[11:19:36] <Tom_L> Jymmm why did they ban it?
[11:20:23] <Tom_L> just use everclear
[11:24:17] <rmu> https://www.quora.com
[11:26:44] <Tom_L> https://www.quora.com
[11:28:02] <Jymmm> Tom_L: CARB (california EPA)
[11:28:29] <Jymmm> so is "real" MEK, but I got that smuggled in across the border
[11:29:05] <Tom_L> what do race drivers use?
[11:29:07] <Jymmm> and real Everclear is illegal in california too
[11:29:12] <Tom_L> they like methanol...
[11:29:34] <Jymmm> no clue
[11:29:51] <Tom_L> they just don't wanna support the midwest farmers... that's what it is! i know it!!
[11:30:18] <rmu> use IPA
[11:30:22] <Jymmm> I did see ONE gas station that sold 107 octane fuel, but was like $8/gal
[11:30:40] <Jymmm> rmu: NO ipa, tyvm
[11:30:50] <Tom_L> before we used alcohol we'd get it at the airport
[11:36:14] <Tom_L> so what's the fine if you get caught with it?
[11:40:05] <Loetmichel> rmu: typo. i meant 16:35
[11:41:22] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: everclear leaves a nasty residue. Not good for cleaning. also it isnt 99,x% alc, it has quite a bit of water and other things
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[11:46:30] <cncnoob> gregcnc check this out
[11:46:38] <cncnoob> https://www.youtube.com
[11:47:12] <cncnoob> I think that live tool hobber might be the answer I was looking for, if it will fit on the CL-1 chucker
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[12:16:17] <gregcnc> cncnoob, 1. that won't fit the CL-1. 2. the control would have to support hobbing (though macro could do it) 3. if you want very precise gears, people says it's not he best method.
[12:17:04] <Tom_L> archivist could tell you all about gears
[12:17:07] <gregcnc> 4. I think that live tool runs 3-5kUSD
[12:18:07] <Tom_L> have you ever tried rolling threads?
[12:18:36] <Tom_L> i'm wondering how the initial form varies from cutting
[12:18:47] <Tom_L> (i don't plan to try it)
[12:19:12] <Tom_L> but i've rolled threads in the past, just never paid attention to the initial form
[12:19:37] <gregcnc> look at any screw?
[12:19:57] <Tom_L> no i mean how does the material diameter vary compared to cutting
[12:20:04] <fragalot> you start smaller
[12:20:05] <Tom_L> beforehand
[12:20:11] <Tom_L> i figured that
[12:20:16] <fragalot> (assuming outside thread, isnide thread you start lager)
[12:20:20] <fragalot> I can't type today
[12:20:27] <gregcnc> similar to how drill size for form tap is different
[12:20:31] <Tom_L> i've been told they're stronger
[12:21:01] <gregcnc> google will tel you plenty, i 've read about it before
[12:21:10] <Tom_L> yeah i know
[12:22:18] <gregcnc> I've looked into thread rolls for the lathe, but they are fairly expensive so i haven't had an application
[12:22:31] <Tom_L> yeah they are
[12:22:41] <Tom_L> the one we used had 2 rollers timed together
[12:22:50] <Tom_L> on a C shaped tool
[12:25:13] <Tom_L> https://www.researchgate.net
[12:25:16] <Tom_L> similar
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[14:37:40] <Loetmichel> *HA* *saved by the bell^WMaterial shortage*... boss ordered the wrong drawer rails. needed 180mm he ordered 150mm long... now he has to drive to the home impovement shop tomorrow morning and buy 2 sets of the right ones... and i hope i can do the rest assembly before 14:00, because the boxes HAVE to be at the customer tomorrow. they have end of work at 16:00 and its 200km from here... anyways,
[14:37:40] <Loetmichel> got home "early" today, its only 20:36 now ;)
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[14:52:09] <cncnoob> gregcnc, well that is unfortunate
[14:53:10] <cncnoob> The gears I need are tiny and will not have a high load
[14:53:30] <cncnoob> Maybe I need to look into having them injection molded
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[15:02:26] <Tom_L> have you looked at sdp-si.com?
[15:03:26] <Loetmichel> cncnoob: maybe milling is an option?
[15:03:30] <Loetmichel> how big are the gears?
[15:04:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- these are the smalles ones i made so far from POM ;)
[15:05:30] <Loetmichel> by milling from above
[15:06:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- thats a 0,6mm two flute mill bit there ;)
[15:06:37] <Tom_L> from where?
[15:07:02] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: what do you mean?
[15:07:14] <Tom_L> where did you get the cutter?
[15:07:32] <Tom_L> oh nevermind i see it's not that special
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[15:07:50] <Loetmichel> sorotec.de
[15:08:04] <Loetmichel> tungsten carbide tool
[15:08:28] <Tom_L> what did you use to program the profile?
[15:09:17] <Loetmichel> https://www.sorotec.de
[15:09:59] <Loetmichel> geargenerator from that canadian guy, forgot the name
[15:11:00] <Loetmichel> https://woodgears.ca
[15:11:06] <Loetmichel> mathias wandel
[15:11:10] <Loetmichel> <. getting old ;)
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[15:13:06] <Tom_L> just checked.. i've got a gear macro for my cad cam but i've never tried it
[15:14:03] <Tom_L> pressure angles of 14.5, 20, 25, 37.5 & 45
[15:14:58] <Tom_L> i made one for sprockets
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[15:22:11] <cncnoob> Loetmichel I have prototyped the gears on my mill, but now I'm looking for a viable production method
[15:22:50] <cncnoob> The gears are tiny, .5" would be the largest
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[15:23:26] <cncnoob> smallest would be something between 1/8" and 1/4"
[15:23:33] <Snowman108> Hello
[15:24:21] <Tom_L> cncnoob how many are you making?
[15:24:41] <cncnoob> Thousands hopefully
[15:24:45] <cncnoob> If my product sells
[15:25:05] <Tom_L> i'd get a quote from sdp-si
[15:25:10] <Snowman108> I had a running linuxcnc using a parallel port, then I went and installed a printer, now it is messed up and won't run the machine, it looks like the parallel port is getting hijacked, any ideas how to fix it.
[15:25:52] <cncnoob> Thanks Tom
[15:25:55] <cncnoob> I'll keep them in mind
[15:26:03] <Tom_L> or some other supplier
[15:26:09] <cncnoob> I would really like to be able to do all the work myself if possible
[15:26:22] <Tom_L> what's your time worth?
[15:26:35] <Tom_L> keep that in mind too
[15:26:45] <cncnoob> We have a gear house in town that I was going to check out as well. I'm hoping they will let me take a tour and maybe I can get some ideas
[15:27:08] <cncnoob> The goal is to quit my day job and make my product
[15:27:10] <Tom_L> another option is, you can get gear bar from sdp-si and cut it
[15:27:16] <Tom_L> pretty sure anyway
[15:28:05] <cncnoob> That might be an option for some of my gears, but several of them will be reducres
[15:28:10] <cncnoob> reducers*
[15:28:23] <JT-Shop> Snowman108: uninstall the printer
[15:28:44] * Tom_L shares the sunshine with JT-Shop
[15:29:44] <Snowman108> I am running debian, I went and deleted it, I unistalled all of the print drivers in the package manager. still not love
[15:32:12] <Snowman108> the last part of dmesg show RTAI[math]: loaded
[15:32:48] <Snowman108> config string 0x378 out
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[15:33:11] <Snowman108> RTAI[math]: unloaded
[15:33:25] <rmu> Snowman108: look at output of lsmod
[15:33:57] <rmu> Snowman108: check if anything named parport or lp is loaded
[15:35:22] <Snowman108> it says parport 3 lp,ppdev,parport_pc
[15:35:59] <rmu> try removing lp
[15:36:05] <Snowman108> how/
[15:36:09] <rmu> rmmod lp
[15:36:11] <rmu> as root
[15:36:16] <Snowman108> ok
[15:36:49] <Snowman108> ok it is gone
[15:37:57] <Snowman108> I will be right back going to go check, I can't open it in remote desktop
[15:37:59] <rmu> now you could try running linuxcnc again
[15:38:53] <rmu> if it doesn't work yet try removing the parport* modules. i'm not sure what is needed by linuxcnc
[15:40:36] <Snowman108> That did not work
[15:41:13] <Snowman108> rmu when you say remove the modules, you mean rmmod?
[15:41:20] <rmu> yes, rmmod
[15:41:29] <rmu> it unloads them from the running kernel
[15:41:40] <rmu> it is not permanent
[15:42:22] <Snowman108> ohhhh, I rebooted the machine and they are back
[15:42:40] <rmu> hehe
[15:42:42] <Snowman108> let me remove the lp and try to start it.
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[15:43:19] <rmu> parport_pc shouldn't be a problem, but could be lp and/or ppdev interfere
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[16:11:11] <owhite> hey people. a question about hal. I have a cnc laser and I have the hal shutting off the laser when the user selects pause in the linuxcnc interface.
[16:12:08] <owhite> the problem is when the user comes out of the pause, the laser resumes, but it actually needs to wait before continuing to move while the cutting gas comes on. Any suggestions?
[16:13:27] <owhite> basically I need a way to wait to come out of pause for a second before the machine continues moving.
[16:14:42] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[16:15:01] <Tom_L> put that as part of your pause routine
[16:15:33] <rmu> http://www.linuxcnc.org motion.feed-inhibit
[16:15:33] <Tom_L> maybe you can map the resume thru that
[16:15:55] <Tom_L> that's probably more what i was trying to find
[16:16:38] <owhite> so I saw the timedelay, but take for example...
[16:17:30] <Tom_L> have your resume trigger the time delay thru an AND to the motion.feed inhibit
[16:17:43] <Tom_L> just thinking out loud here
[16:18:45] <owhite> ...the machine is in pause because the use requested it, then hits the pause button, and it would be great if when they hit pause, I could spawn a timedelay. but how to link the user hitting a button to timedelay? Reading up on motion.feed-inhibit
[16:19:02] <owhite> *user
[16:19:06] <Tom_L> map the button to it
[16:19:12] <Tom_L> what pin is it?
[16:19:29] <Tom_L> but ignore it on the pause just use it on the resume
[16:19:34] <owhite> it's in gmoccapy.
[16:19:49] <Tom_L> can't help you there
[16:19:54] <Tom_L> i'm using axis
[16:20:03] <rmu> owhite: if you have some signal "gas flow ok" then just use that
[16:20:05] <Tom_L> but the backend should still be the same
[16:20:27] <owhite> Tom_L so you would change this axis code?
[16:20:30] <rmu> or use the laser start signal to trigger a timedelay and wire that to feed-inhibit
[16:20:31] <Tom_L> half dozen ways to approach it, just whateve suits you
[16:20:49] <Tom_L> owhite no i wouldn't
[16:21:22] <rmu> don't change anything from linuxcnc
[16:21:54] <Tom_L> just add a little goop between resume and motion.spinde-inhibit
[16:22:06] <owhite> right so suppose you hit pause to stop the program in axis, then hit again to come out of pause. call that a "resume". so the question is how would you intercept that resume request?
[16:23:16] <rmu> i thought you already have the laser shut off when the user hits pause
[16:23:21] <owhite> so Tom I'm fairly fluent in hal, I've been linking a lot of my own user space commands and configuring hal to link to a number of pins, but I'm just stumped on a resume request that comes from the interface and looking for suggestions on that "goop".
[16:23:22] <rmu> and restart again
[16:23:36] <owhite> rmu, the sequence of events is...
[16:24:32] <owhite> ...user hits pause, laser shuts off (it's pin is tied to -is-paused), user hits the pause button again on the interface, and the laser then comes on, because -is-paused is false.
[16:25:29] <owhite> ...I'm trying to intercept that transition -is-paused = true to false for a second before the machine starts to move.
[16:26:46] <rmu> owhite: you will need to "or" the is-paused with a time delay and feed that to feed inhibit
[16:27:14] <rmu> and trigger the time delay when is-paused goes from true to false
[16:27:45] <rmu> and be careful with eval order to avoid glitches
[16:27:47] <Tom_L> OR may not do it
[16:27:59] <Tom_L> because either pin would make a True output
[16:28:40] <Tom_L> what you might do is run the resume to a 1shot on one side of the AND gate then also run it to the timedelay to the other input of the AND
[16:28:48] <Snowman108> Well I had it wrong, no problem with the parellel port being accessed, the charge pump is a go and the spindle is a go, just won't drive the maichine, steppers are connected, (they are holding) just won't go
[16:29:06] <owhite> rmu agree about the logic but I think the gist of the suggestion is still good.
[16:29:43] <Snowman108> ok where do I look next?
[16:29:50] <owhite> and will consider rolling in Tom_L's idea.
[16:30:23] <Tom_L> if you run the resume to an OR it will become true as soon as you hit resume
[16:30:26] <rmu> owhite: also have a look at classicladder, it maybe easier to tinker around with that
[16:30:43] <Tom_L> if you use an AND it will require 2 actions to be true
[16:30:51] <rmu> Snowman108: no error messages?
[16:31:01] <owhite> yah I have encountered classicladder in my travels and maybe it is indeed time to jump into it.
[16:31:14] <Tom_L> it's not that complicated
[16:31:19] <Snowman108> rmu: none that pop up
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[16:31:51] <rmu> Snowman108: so you can enable the GUI (take machine out of e-stop) and when homing just nothing happens?
[16:32:03] <rmu> but the chargepump goes ok when enabling?
[16:32:05] <Snowman108> rmu: that is correct
[16:32:30] <Snowman108> using agecko g540
[16:32:37] <Tom_L> owhite just run a long pulse on the oneshot
[16:33:03] <Tom_L> and make sure the timedelay times out before the pulse ends
[16:33:09] <rmu> no idea
[16:33:25] <rmu> Snowman108: you could try looking at output of stepgens with halscope
[16:33:27] <Tom_L> then you have an adjustable input
[16:34:19] <owhite> Tom_L but I'm still dorking out on how to detect _a transition_ from pause to run. I'll keep trying.
[16:34:36] <Tom_L> i haven't found that yet
[16:35:10] <rmu> owhite: ddt hal module
[16:35:59] <Tom_L> halui.program.is-paused
[16:36:13] <Tom_L> i knew it was there somewhere
[16:36:31] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[16:36:38] <Tom_L> my pause resume is in that hal
[16:36:45] <Tom_L> the rest of the config is in that same dir
[16:37:28] <Tom_L> halui.program.pause halui.program.resume
[16:37:35] <Tom_L> are the ones you wanna use i believe
[16:37:45] <owhite> well....so I looked at those.
[16:38:12] <owhite> suppose you want the hal layer to go into pause. (I use this) then you call halui.program.pause
[16:38:13] <Tom_L> just run the resume thru the timer
[16:38:50] <Tom_L> you're heading in a direction above my pay grade
[16:38:59] <owhite> suppose I want it to resume, same thing, halui.program.resume
[16:39:49] <Tom_L> why do you pause the hal layer?
[16:40:21] <Tom_L> i assume motion is below that
[16:40:49] <owhite> sorry, wrong way to say it. I meant. in a hal component, specify that if a condition changes then I want to pause the machine, not the hal layer.
[16:41:00] <Snowman108> rmu:halscope show x being triggered
[16:41:36] <owhite> For example. I have a collision detector on my laser. Something bumps the optics, I have a pin that goes from low to high, and that calls halui.program.pause.
[16:41:41] <owhite> It's very helpful.
[16:42:29] <Tom_L> run your pause pin thru an AND along with the halui component?
[16:42:31] <rmu> Snowman108: so follow the signal ;-) check output of parallel port with scope
[16:42:55] <Tom_L> and if halui isn't paused it won't become true
[16:43:17] <Tom_L> but if it is, the button and the hal component will satisfy the AND
[16:43:38] <Tom_L> and should avoid your other use of it
[16:44:09] <Tom_L> just make sure your button is debounced
[16:45:07] <owhite> thinking. you understand the "button" is in the interface. Like imagine it was in axis, and you needed to catch that user request.
[16:45:15] <Tom_L> yeah
[16:45:48] <Tom_L> there should be a pin or net associated with it
[16:46:28] <Tom_L> so you likely won't need the debounce there
[16:47:20] <owhite> yah I agree, I use gmoccapy and so far I have not been able to find it. It looked at the pins it creates in halshow and there wasnt anything obvious. doesnt mean there isnt something, but it wasnt obvious.
[16:47:41] <Tom_L> i don't know how gmocappy interface treats buttons... whether it's a one shot or an on/off state thing
[16:48:05] <owhite> sorry, i wish there was a spell correct. "*I* looked at the pins it creates in halshow..."
[16:49:21] <Snowman108> rmu:ok so para pin2 which is out for X show signal
[16:49:37] <owhite> thanks very much for your suggestions, let me try a few things.
[16:49:55] <Tom_L> there should be a net associated with that pin
[16:50:09] <Tom_L> pin/button
[16:50:31] <rmu> Snowman108: did you change EPP settings in BIOS?
[16:50:39] <rmu> recently?
[16:51:10] <Snowman108> rmu: no but I can go check it to make sure it hasn't changed
[16:51:34] <rmu> hmm. if charge pump is ok then EPP settings should be ok.
[16:51:42] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[16:51:44] <rmu> seems your gecko has a problem
[16:52:16] <Tom_L> owhite ^^
[16:52:51] <owhite> Tom_L - thanks much!
[16:52:51] <Tom_L> there are vertical and horizontal 'user' buttons if you happen to be using one of those
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[16:56:02] <Snowman108> rmu: I am beginning to wonder, generaly when the driver gets blown it will go into a fault, steppers have holding torqe, so they are getting power
[16:58:16] <Snowman108> Time to go do some more research
[17:00:38] <rmu> does the gecko have a enable/disable input?
[17:00:47] <rmu> (on the screw terminals)
[17:01:20] <rmu> i also have a g540, but it i didn't have a look at it in years
[17:02:21] <Snowman108> bios was in ecp
[17:02:31] <Snowman108> rebooting......standby
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[17:10:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:34:00] <Snowman108> I am back
[17:34:22] <Snowman108> rmu: well that didn't fix anything
[17:36:46] <Snowman108> rmu: Thanks for all the help, I am going to go some more research now that I have narrowed it down abit more.
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[18:11:41] <Snowman108> a
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[18:57:03] <ve7it> Jymmm, you about?
[18:58:39] <Jymmm> ve7it: No, leave a message at the beeeeee.... p ;)
[18:59:03] <Jymmm> ve7it: hows it going?
[18:59:52] <ve7it> hey man... long time.... thought of you the other day... have been playing with a 2.5w 450nm laser on my 3d printer... makes lots of smoke!
[19:00:31] <Jymmm> Yep, you need to grab a dust collector or exhaust =)
[19:01:21] <ve7it> found that out after the whole house smelled like alder smoke!
[19:02:07] <Jymmm> haha
[19:02:32] <ve7it> moved the printer next to the window and made an exhaust insert that has 3 muffin fans from an old rack cooling system
[19:02:37] <Jymmm> ve7it: Goto a hydropoincs store, they have some reasonable
[19:03:18] <ve7it> noisy but effective... cut a bunch of stuff and didnt even smell up my office
[19:03:28] <Jymmm> nice
[19:04:57] <ve7it> had to burn a sign for the door... Danger - Laser In Use! Do not look at beam with remaining eye.
[19:05:36] <ve7it> one definately wants goggles on.. that sucker is bright!
[19:06:03] <ve7it> lights up the office like a have a tig welder running in there
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[19:29:21] <XXCoder> wow!
[19:29:22] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com
[19:29:25] <XXCoder> this is cooool
[19:29:53] <TurBoss> haha very cool
[19:30:03] <XXCoder> hey tur hows things
[19:30:12] <TurBoss> fine
[19:30:31] <TurBoss> just working on jcnc
[19:31:31] * TurBoss uploaded an image: Captura de pantalla_2019-02-25_01-31-22.png (198KB) < https://matrix.org >
[19:32:05] <XXCoder> not too bad just some names is unreadable on buttons
[19:32:14] <TurBoss> hehe
[19:33:19] <TurBoss> true
[19:33:42] <TurBoss> I should place them at top of each botton
[19:37:57] <XXCoder> ...
[19:38:04] <XXCoder> someone invented antilock for bicycles.
[19:38:13] <XXCoder> like antilock brakes on car
[19:38:24] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[19:42:57] * SpeedEvil objects to the use of the word 'invented'.
[19:43:02] <SpeedEvil> Implemented.
[19:43:18] <SpeedEvil> Engineered, added, ...
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[20:12:27] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com
[20:12:34] <XXCoder> interesting project
[20:12:45] <XXCoder> not very strong but enough power for alum and some stuff
[20:13:48] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't take that much power at all to cut really quite thick stuff with a good quality high tension hacksaw blade.
[20:13:55] <SpeedEvil> If you've got all day
[20:15:12] <XXCoder> yeah though if its automated i can do other stuff while it runs.
[20:15:27] <SpeedEvil> 5 axis hacksaw would be amusing.
[20:15:50] <SpeedEvil> Or do I mean 6
[20:16:05] <XXCoder> lol all xyz abc why not
[20:18:14] <Tom_L> better than this one maybe: https://www.thingiverse.com
[20:20:32] <XXCoder> maybe
[20:20:49] <XXCoder> that ones easier to make if have 3d printer
[20:21:04] <Tom_L> and probably smoother
[20:21:38] <XXCoder> i dont really like drill usage
[20:21:44] <XXCoder> I would use something else to power it
[20:22:10] <XXCoder> maybe get cheap drill engine "lathe" from aliexpress
[20:22:13] <XXCoder> use that
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[20:37:20] <skunkworks> I think the cui capacitive are not that great...
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[20:40:09] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com great
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[22:21:50] <CaptHindsight> howdy
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[22:24:45] <Tom_L> evening
[22:24:58] <XXCoder> hey
[22:26:11] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:26:13] <Tom_L> doing some testing on my macro. the yellow/white are 2-56 internal & external and the green/purple are 1/2-13 internal external
[22:27:12] <XXCoder> fancy :)
[22:27:28] <XXCoder> wonder if you could make quite large threads with that, for wood assembly
[22:27:37] <Tom_L> absolutely
[22:27:50] <XXCoder> nice
[22:28:11] <Tom_L> just need accurate data
[22:28:39] <XXCoder> yeah could do it in 2 steos
[22:28:47] <Tom_L> notice the leadin moves for internal are in the center and external are outside at the top
[22:28:57] <XXCoder> first endmill to define cylinder, then thread mll it.
[22:29:13] <XXCoder> hole is simply make hole then thread mill it
[22:30:29] <Tom_L> i thought about making a custom test thread once it warms up a bit
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[23:01:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.orangepi.org mali drivers are nearly open now
[23:01:47] <XXCoder> whats kleft now?
[23:01:58] <CaptHindsight> so preempt_rt on one core and non RT on the others plus accelerated GPU on your kernel or choice
[23:02:18] <CaptHindsight> still in testing
[23:04:57] <CaptHindsight> SPI , Ethernet or PCIe to a Mesa card...
[23:05:24] <CaptHindsight> have to check the H6 specs to see if the GPIO may be toggled fast enough for step genration
[23:07:24] <CaptHindsight> oohh has an embedded controller inside OR1200
[23:09:56] <CaptHindsight> dpending on silicon version it might be usable for software stepping
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[23:21:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aliexpress.com
[23:22:18] <CaptHindsight> $39.90 Orange Pi 3 H6 2GB LPDDR3 + 8GB EMMC Flash Gigabyte Ethernet Port
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[23:23:59] <CaptHindsight> and a mini-PCIe slot
[23:30:50] <XXCoder> homemade arbor part 2 https://www.youtube.com
[23:34:38] <XXCoder> what annoys me is that he never backs off any taps
[23:34:48] <XXCoder> should do half turn back off a little then go more
[23:35:10] <XXCoder> can tell hes working hard after few rotations lol
[23:35:56] <Tom_itx> good way to snap a tap especially when you're going slow with it
[23:36:25] <XXCoder> keep going is good way to snap off tap correct?
[23:37:09] <Tom_itx> cnc you could get away with it using a spiral tap
[23:37:24] <Tom_itx> manually you're better off backing it out
[23:38:03] <XXCoder> theres only 2 parts in shop that require hand tapping, both because hole is so shallow machine cant do full depth tap.
[23:38:36] <Tom_itx> not even with a bottoming tap?
[23:38:46] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:39:03] <XXCoder> theres couple turns thats not full thread yet
[23:39:17] <XXCoder> and those 2 parts require 100% of depth to be full thread
[23:40:01] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:40:16] <Tom_itx> crappy holder but i made those for each tap i used to keep them straight
[23:40:20] <Tom_itx> the barstock
[23:40:30] <XXCoder> nice/ yeah
[23:40:45] <XXCoder> I have tap block lol have used it at 0% of jobs :P but making it was fun.
[23:41:50] <Tom_itx> small ones i used (4-40) just some crap cutoff sheet and drilled a hole in it
[23:42:12] <Tom_itx> like 1/4" plate or 3/8
[23:42:30] <Tom_itx> whatever was layin there
[23:42:48] <XXCoder> tap block isnt very complex lol just 10 holes on block
[23:42:53] <XXCoder> various sizes
[23:43:02] <Tom_itx> not always room for all in one
[23:43:23] <XXCoder> idea: adjustable tap block lol
[23:43:34] <XXCoder> just Vs and one side can be pushed in
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