#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-03-02

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[00:07:45] <pink_vampire> what bench top grinder is recommend for sharpen lathe tools - consider i have a small lathe and i'm not a factory. so 3/8" tools is the largest can fit
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[00:55:30] <Jymmm> Mini Lathe anyone??? https://www.aliexpress.com
[00:55:48] <XXCoder> fancier than my $35 one lol
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[01:04:23] <XXCoder> wow
[01:04:32] <XXCoder> apparently theres easier way to anodize alum
[01:04:40] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.com
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[01:11:57] <veek> Jymmm, how much is it?
[01:12:08] <XXCoder> 170 usd, shipped
[01:13:14] <veek> hmm.. wow 200$ for a lathe - heh
[01:13:28] <XXCoder> thats expenive compared with my lathe lol
[01:13:29] <XXCoder> 35 bucks
[01:13:44] <veek> XXCoder, wut! wth? link?
[01:13:58] <veek> oh watchmaker's lather?
[01:14:25] <XXCoder> its extruded base using drill motor and chuck lol
[01:14:59] <veek> ah heh
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[03:10:36] <Deejay> moin
[03:10:53] <fragalot> hi
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[03:43:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com
[03:44:01] <XXCoder> andodize test?
[03:44:53] <XXCoder> color is pretty cool
[03:46:21] <pink_vampire> i did it 3 years ago
[03:48:38] <XXCoder> nice
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[04:30:39] <XXCoder> new bad obession!
[04:30:51] <pink_vampire> ??
[04:31:43] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ??
[04:31:50] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[04:32:53] <XXCoder> they have been at it fir years now
[04:32:58] <XXCoder> getting closer now
[04:33:55] <pink_vampire> i need a bigger shop and to split
[04:34:06] <XXCoder> split?
[04:34:25] <pink_vampire> to have one more me
[04:34:37] <XXCoder> oh! lol
[04:34:58] <XXCoder> that'd be interesting adventure, having closer than twin person
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[04:38:33] <pink_vampire> i need 2 more parts and 4 M4 screws
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[05:11:08] <jthornton> morning
[05:11:34] <XXCoder> heys
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[05:16:20] <jthornton> making some good progress in qtpyvcp
[05:17:09] <XXCoder> nice :)
[05:17:38] <pink_vampire> one day i hope to upgrade the pyvcp
[05:38:24] <jthornton> you should try qtpyvcp it's easier and more configurable
[05:38:58] <jthornton> https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
[05:41:02] <pink_vampire> look very interesting and complicated
[05:42:29] <jthornton> https://github.com
[05:42:39] <jthornton> that's my touch screen on the bp mill
[05:43:18] <jthornton> it still lacks some detail but fully functional
[05:44:32] <pink_vampire> how do you install it?
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[05:45:09] <jthornton> it = qtpyvcp or it = bp_touch?
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[05:45:50] <jthornton> first you need to be running debian 9
[05:46:07] <jthornton> https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
[05:47:01] <pink_vampire> my linux version is weezy or something like that
[05:47:08] <jthornton> or linux mint 19
[05:47:31] <jthornton> yea wheezy is too old to run this
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[05:48:10] <pink_vampire> the only change i want is to add input text for probing
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[05:49:08] <pink_vampire> this is something that I can't find a way to do in pyvcp
[05:50:25] <jthornton> what do you mean by "input text"?
[05:51:39] <jthornton> crap my website is saying Not Acceptable An appropriate representation of the requested resource / could not be found on this server.
[05:52:22] <pink_vampire> lets say i want to find the center of a block (2" X 3") now i need to edit the probing file and input the X and Y dimension, (3" and 2") and only after that i can press on the button in pyvpc to run it
[05:52:55] <jthornton> ok, let me think a bit
[05:53:23] <pink_vampire> ok thanks
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[06:28:31] <jthornton> pink_vampire: ok, you can do what you want
[06:29:02] <jthornton> in the [RS274NGC] section of your ini file add FEATURES = 8
[06:29:43] <gloops> beehives are some messing about
[06:30:03] <pink_vampire> what FEATURES = 8 means?
[06:30:19] <jthornton> use this syntax to get say a spin box value in G code #<_hal[pin-name]>
[06:30:26] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[06:30:55] <jthornton> enable #<_hal[Hal item]> read only variables: 8
[06:32:35] <pink_vampire> what the "8" means?
[06:33:01] <jthornton> 8 is a mask to enable you to read hal pins in g code
[06:33:16] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[06:33:40] <jthornton> enable #<_hal[Hal item]> read only variables: 8
[06:33:41] <jthornton> if set, the interpreter will fetch read-only values from HAL file through this special variable syntax.
[06:33:51] <pink_vampire> i see that
[06:36:27] <pink_vampire> jthornton: i've added the "FEATURES = 8" to my ini file
[06:37:10] <pink_vampire> how do i use it?
[06:37:21] <jthornton> add a number input to your pyvcp screen for X and Y
[06:37:49] <pink_vampire> how??
[06:37:55] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[06:37:56] <pink_vampire> i'm so lost
[06:38:20] <jthornton> paste.ubuntu.com your .xml file
[06:38:45] <pink_vampire> the pyvcp file?
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[06:40:55] <jthornton> yea
[06:41:37] <pink_vampire> https://paste.debian.net
[06:42:20] <jthornton> wow
[06:42:28] <jthornton> did you write that?
[06:42:42] <pink_vampire> some of it, and yeah
[06:43:08] <pink_vampire> there is ton of probing options
[06:43:18] <jthornton> ok add two spinboxes one for X and one for Y
[06:43:47] <jthornton> 1145 lines of pyvcp that's impressive
[06:44:00] <pink_vampire> there is 4 tabs, main, A, B, C
[06:44:35] <jthornton> ah I see at the top jerry is the culprit lol
[06:45:00] <pink_vampire> the main tab is from jerry
[06:45:20] <pink_vampire> the B tab is the stuff i made
[06:45:31] <jthornton> are the images from jerry or you?
[06:45:51] <pink_vampire> jerry
[06:45:57] <pink_vampire> but i'm not using them
[06:46:07] <pink_vampire> i just use his code for the tabs
[06:46:35] <jthornton> so I can delete the images and see what you have?
[06:46:53] <pink_vampire> on the b tab you will see "stock center finer"
[06:47:11] <pink_vampire> i just ignore them
[06:47:40] <pink_vampire> i want to replace the S M L (with input text)
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[06:59:23] <jthornton> I wonder why the tab is so narrow?
[06:59:39] <pink_vampire> 3:4 screen
[07:02:41] <jthornton> https://imagebin.ca
[07:02:49] <jthornton> does your screen look like that?
[07:03:00] <pink_vampire> yes!
[07:03:06] <pink_vampire> amazing!
[07:03:50] <pink_vampire> i have no idea how to make icons in the buttons so i make a font for it
[07:04:24] <XXCoder> as in graphic making or how to make button have icon?
[07:04:51] <pink_vampire> one sec , i will make a screenshot
[07:05:25] <jthornton> can you use https://paste.ubuntu.com and paste you post gui hal file?
[07:06:10] <pink_vampire> yes one sec
[07:06:37] <XXCoder> man you have went very far
[07:06:44] <XXCoder> i remember when you first come in here
[07:06:54] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: lol
[07:07:09] <XXCoder> i knew more about HAL than you for maybe a day LOKL
[07:07:10] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[07:07:39] <XXCoder> custom font eh
[07:07:44] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[07:07:53] <jthornton> is that your screen?
[07:07:59] <pink_vampire> correct
[07:08:56] <jthornton> can you zip your configuration and put it in filebin.net
[07:09:12] <pink_vampire> https://paste.ubuntu.com
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[07:26:45] <jthornton> pink_vampire: can you zip your configuration and put it in filebin.net
[07:27:56] <pink_vampire> i have some privet stuff also there it is take forever to make it clean
[07:28:30] <jthornton> ok
[07:29:10] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:29:21] <jthornton> that's the basic of how it can be done
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[07:29:35] <jthornton> can you zip up your images and post that?
[07:29:51] <pink_vampire> lets see
[07:30:23] <pink_vampire> i only use 8 of them
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[07:30:40] <pink_vampire> and nothing is active
[07:31:11] <jthornton> what is font-test2?
[07:31:17] <jthornton> is that your image?
[07:31:24] <pink_vampire> this is just a font
[07:31:33] <pink_vampire> no it is a font that i made
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[07:31:43] <jthornton> can you share that?
[07:32:29] <pink_vampire> it is just a font
[07:32:45] <pink_vampire> very bad way to make icons
[07:33:38] <XXCoder> probably can be converted to svg icons if ui can use svg icons
[07:34:10] <pink_vampire> but you can put an image on button in pyvcp
[07:34:23] <pink_vampire> maybe there is a way
[07:34:31] <pink_vampire> but i have no idea how
[07:39:31] <jthornton> look in the docs for pyvcp images...
[07:41:26] * jthornton figured out how to make the tabbed widget a lot wider :)
[07:42:06] <pink_vampire> you mean the images in the top of the pyvcp? - just ignore them it is the stuff from the jerry code
[07:42:16] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to find them
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[07:48:01] <pink_vampire> jthornton: those are the jerry images https://filebin.net
[07:49:58] <jthornton> ok thanks]
[07:51:04] <jthornton> did you understand how to use the spinbox to set the distance probed?
[07:51:41] <pink_vampire> no
[07:51:52] <pink_vampire> i did the interface in 2016
[07:52:12] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:52:20] <jthornton> that is the basic idea
[07:53:18] <jthornton> #<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> gets the number from the spinbox in G code
[07:53:21] <pink_vampire> not really sure
[07:54:20] <pink_vampire> how this command work? G0 X#
[07:55:16] <jthornton> G0 X#<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> gets the value for X from the pyvcp spinbox <halpin>"x-dist"</halpin>
[07:55:18] <pink_vampire> the # get replaced with the number from the spinbox??
[07:55:38] <jthornton> no #<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> gets replaced with the number
[07:56:11] <jthornton> pyvcp.x-dist is the hal pin of the spinbox
[07:56:37] <pink_vampire> ok, lets put the commands in place and see how it is work in the real life
[07:57:40] <jthornton> so in your subroutine you need to use the format G38.2 X#<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> ...
[07:58:50] <pink_vampire> i just finish coppy the file you sent to the linux machine
[07:59:06] <pink_vampire> and now i'm starting edit the files
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[08:03:36] <pink_vampire> i did
[08:03:59] <pink_vampire> and it is not work
[08:04:09] <pink_vampire> linux cnc give me error
[08:04:43] <jthornton> should I guess the exact error?
[08:07:58] <pink_vampire> i comment the line in the postgui.hal, and linux cnc is running
[08:08:30] <jthornton> I can't guess what the error was...
[08:11:09] <pink_vampire> jthornton: this is the error https://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:12:14] <jthornton> what was the hal line?
[08:12:25] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com
[08:12:31] <Tom_itx> spacex
[08:12:53] <Tom_itx> and i overslept.
[08:12:54] <pink_vampire> we saw the live stream lunch
[08:13:02] <XXCoder> yep saw it. awesome!
[08:13:14] <XXCoder> https://twitter.com inside of shuttle at some point.
[08:13:27] <Tom_itx> so i got more sleep than you :)
[08:14:46] <pink_vampire> the dragon will dock tomorrow to the iss
[08:14:46] <jthornton> pink_vampire: looks like an error in your pyvcp file
[08:15:44] <pink_vampire> i removed the code from the xml and still got the error
[08:18:58] <jthornton> what else did you change?
[08:19:04] <pink_vampire> jthornton: I got it now in to the xml and it is displayed in the axis interface, but i remove the line from the postgui.hal
[08:19:24] <jthornton> what line?
[08:20:30] <pink_vampire> net mdi-1 halui.mdi-command-00 pyvcp.move-x
[08:21:18] <jthornton> you prob have halui.mdi-command-00 all ready used
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[08:21:55] <pink_vampire> there is alot of lines in the [HALUI] section
[08:22:41] <jthornton> you prob have halui.mdi-command-00 all ready used in your postgui hal file
[08:23:30] <pink_vampire> yes
[08:23:37] <pink_vampire> line 19
[08:23:45] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[08:23:56] <pink_vampire> this is the spinbox
[08:24:11] <jthornton> yep
[08:25:03] <jthornton> you can only use each mdi command for one button so you need to add a new mdi in the ini and change the hal to use that one
[08:26:53] <jthornton> looks like pyvcp can't use an image for a button :( so your fonts is the only way
[08:27:27] <pink_vampire> linux cnc did not crash now - but the "move X" button do nothing
[08:27:50] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you could upload your font to linuxcnc source, it looks quite good!
[08:28:08] <jthornton> what is the hal line now?
[08:28:10] <XXCoder> we could add bunch more icons for people to use also, like ops
[08:28:17] <XXCoder> ops lather specific etc etc
[08:28:23] <pink_vampire> lol
[08:28:28] <jthornton> yea that would be nice to have that font
[08:28:29] <pink_vampire> i think i know what
[08:28:36] <pink_vampire> it is commented in the post
[08:29:36] <pink_vampire> home the machine
[08:31:03] <pink_vampire> WORKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
[08:31:07] <gloops> hmm, looking like my old dell optiplex is dead
[08:31:39] <gloops> seems to start up, fans lights etc, but black screen
[08:31:39] <pink_vampire> i have one next to me
[08:31:58] <gloops> just hoping the linuxcnc hard drive is ok
[08:32:12] <XXCoder> probably if it doesnt even display POST
[08:32:16] <XXCoder> try attach a montior to it
[08:32:29] <gloops> ive got a working monitor on it - nothing
[08:32:46] <XXCoder> is it the inbuilt one or you added one?
[08:33:10] <gloops> so..need to hook the drive up to another PC
[08:33:20] <gloops> the hard drive XXCoder - one i added
[08:33:52] <XXCoder> the montior :)
[08:34:03] <XXCoder> google says your system has inbuilt montior also
[08:34:17] <pink_vampire> gloops i promise to do my best and help you
[08:34:29] <gloops> oh, thats a plug and play - the monitor gives a readout of its own when plugged in
[08:35:05] <gloops> pink_vampire i dount theres much you can do, its dead lol, but thanks for being so kind
[08:35:22] <XXCoder> pink consider sharing the font :)
[08:35:40] <XXCoder> your idea is quite major
[08:35:49] <gloops> ive got a spare PC, more concerned with the hard drive, i think...ive got the configs backed up
[08:35:53] <XXCoder> nonme of us thought of using custom fonts lol
[08:37:19] <pink_vampire> jthornton: i see something very weird, if i put number without decimal point, like 10 vs 10.0 the screen just blink and the machine do nothing
[08:37:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I have no idea where i put it
[08:37:45] <jthornton> hmm let me see, it is a float so may need the .
[08:37:58] <XXCoder> isnt no decimical mean .0001 if 1? if so thats very small distance
[08:38:02] <jthornton> also start your configuration from a terminal so you can see errors
[08:39:12] <XXCoder> in your fonts special folder im sure. lemme see
[08:39:25] <pink_vampire> lets see
[08:39:35] <jthornton> pink_vampire: if you type the number in you have to press enter\
[08:39:49] <XXCoder> if linux (im sure since its linuxcnc lol) /usr/share/fonts or /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[08:41:04] <jthornton> font-test2
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[08:58:15] <pink_vampire> i find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:58:30] <pink_vampire> even better version of it!
[08:58:32] <XXCoder> :)
[08:58:46] <PL7icnc> the Pink oil Canister ?
[08:59:46] <XXCoder> the font?
[09:01:22] <pink_vampire> https://filebin.net
[09:01:25] <PL7icnc> Fonts searching is quite a good thing but you can let the Bot search by image
[09:01:30] <pink_vampire> the probing font!
[09:02:04] <pink_vampire> PL7icnc: it is a font that i made few years ago
[09:02:21] <PL7icnc> Well Done
[09:02:40] <PL7icnc> Searching on Linux is a chalenge
[09:02:51] <XXCoder> font looks even better right on my screen
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[09:03:22] <pink_vampire> it was made for pyvcp as icons for the buttons
[09:03:53] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: if you have idea for more buttons i can add more stuff
[09:04:29] <XXCoder> jthornton probablyhas better idea, my brain is dead lol should have slept 2 hours ago
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[09:04:40] <XXCoder> wb JT-Shop
[09:04:45] <XXCoder> she found the font
[09:04:52] <XXCoder> looks fanastic.
[09:05:23] <PL7icnc> She ? Female CNC Guru
[09:05:43] <XXCoder> PL7icnc: why does it surpise you?
[09:06:13] <PL7icnc> only View very View Female here in Europ on Mashining
[09:06:36] <pink_vampire> You're Welcome
[09:06:37] <PL7icnc> more go the Way to the CAD system Design and PreModelening
[09:06:56] <pink_vampire> I have cnc machine
[09:07:00] <XXCoder> not very common here also but it doesnt really matter anyone can get skilled
[09:07:17] <PL7icnc> Im the New Guy in Germany replacing Ich... Lothar has Decesed in 2018
[09:07:41] <PL7icnc> i Got not that many expiriance but i got his Main PC
[09:07:44] <XXCoder> about that, you still uploading ich videos?
[09:07:53] <PL7icnc> YES
[09:07:58] <PL7icnc> 2 per Day
[09:08:09] <XXCoder> and maybe remake some of messy videos? some is quite hard to follow.
[09:08:24] <pink_vampire> i want to try play with bipod kinematic
[09:08:31] <PL7icnc> i checkt it shoudt be in total somwhere around 200 out of 550
[09:08:56] <XXCoder> man that'd take hundred days of daily uploading.
[09:09:09] <XXCoder> well off to bed before i'm dead.
[09:09:23] <PL7icnc> XXCoder, where are You
[09:09:52] <PL7icnc> or only Carnival overtaken
[09:13:32] <PL7icnc> i am still on ?
[09:13:48] <pink_vampire> I'm here
[09:17:53] <jthornton> pink_vampire: thanks for the fonts
[09:18:34] <pink_vampire> do you have idea for more icons?
[09:19:02] <jthornton> I'll look after while breakfast time here
[09:19:11] <jthornton> then grocery shopping lol
[09:19:12] <PL7icnc> HOME is a Needed ONE
[09:19:16] <jthornton> then a nap
[09:19:29] <PL7icnc> as Last Press bevor Mashine off
[09:19:44] <PL7icnc> i set it G53 X5 Y5 Z-5 mm
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[12:50:02] <{HD}> I need an application exactly like flatcam but can take vector files (svg, dxf)....
[12:50:08] <{HD}> any ideas?
[12:52:00] <pink_vampire> mm
[12:52:26] <pink_vampire> VCarve?
[12:52:56] <pink_vampire> {HD}: ^
[12:53:06] <{HD}> one of the features of flatCAM I am trying to match is "free"
[12:53:13] <{HD}> or even better yet "foss"
[12:54:08] <pink_vampire> http://www.cnc-club.ru
[12:54:46] <pink_vampire> https://www.getfabber.com
[12:55:03] <{HD}> oh yea, inkscape...I forgot about that. Last time I tired it I couldn't get it to work but maybe I will have another go.
[12:56:05] <pink_vampire> if you find a way to make it work PLEASE make a tutorial
[12:56:14] <roycroft> hey folks
[12:56:23] <roycroft> does anyone have a good source for used motors in the usa?
[12:56:42] <roycroft> besides ebay/amazon industrial
[12:56:51] <roycroft> or new discounted motors
[12:57:18] <pink_vampire> craigslist
[12:57:39] <{HD}> roycroft: Do you live in a dense area? I just drive around on garbage day and grab dishwashers and washing machines and compressors and stuff.
[12:58:46] <roycroft> i need a 3hp 3 phase inverter duty motor that runs at 1100-1800rpm single speed
[12:59:01] <roycroft> preferably with a 5/8" or 7/8" shaft
[12:59:16] <{HD}> roycroft: oh...hahah prob wont find one of those on the side of the road
[12:59:16] <roycroft> i don't think dishwasher/washing machine motors are going to rit those specs
[12:59:28] <roycroft> fit
[12:59:48] <roycroft> i have plenty of small capacity single phase motors
[13:00:15] <roycroft> i could live without inverter duty, probably
[13:00:39] <pink_vampire> washing machine motor maybe?
[13:00:57] <roycroft> but this is for a belt grinder, and i would really prefer inverter duty, as i'm certain i'll be running it at show speeds for extended periods of time
[13:01:07] <roycroft> and don't want to have to rig up an external blower to keep it cool
[13:01:52] <roycroft> i've looked at a couple surplus motor outfits but it seems that 3hp motors that are base mount are really rare
[13:01:57] <roycroft> flange/face mount are easy to find
[13:02:00] <pink_vampire> https://www.harborfreight.com
[13:02:09] <roycroft> and anything other than 3hp is easy to find
[13:02:31] <gloops> 3hp for a belt ?
[13:02:58] <roycroft> that's single phase, pink_vampire
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[13:03:20] <roycroft> sure, gloops
[13:03:27] <gloops> ive got a 1hp bandsaw that cuts 20 inch logs lol
[13:03:29] <roycroft> i don't want to have to worry about pushing it a bit
[13:03:49] <roycroft> i have a 2hp motor now, but it's face mount, which is causing me some design problems
[13:04:10] <roycroft> and i don't want to do anything wonky like try to weld a base onto it
[13:04:24] <roycroft> so i am motor shopping, and decided that if i'm going to get a different motor a little more power would not hurt
[13:04:37] <gloops> yeah i had a similar issue with a motor, you can get base and flange if youre buying new
[13:04:37] <roycroft> i could live with 2hp though
[13:04:50] <gloops> second hand obviously you take what you find
[13:04:57] <roycroft> i don't mind new
[13:05:01] <roycroft> as long as it's not $800
[13:05:06] <pink_vampire> what about machining 2 rings with base that clamp on it?
[13:05:20] <roycroft> the one i have cost me ~$125 including shipping
[13:05:35] <roycroft> and i want to pay that much for its replacement :)
[13:05:42] <gloops> i got a decent brooke crompton used off ebay
[13:05:43] <roycroft> but i'm willing to go a little more
[13:05:58] <roycroft> yeah, there are a lot of motors on ebay
[13:06:14] <roycroft> 3hp slow speed is exceedingly rare, though
[13:06:19] <roycroft> 3450rpm is a lot easier to find
[13:06:22] <roycroft> as is 2hp or 5hp
[13:06:25] <gloops> i did collect though, so i saw it working before handing anything over
[13:07:04] <pink_vampire> where are you located?
[13:07:39] <roycroft> i don't know if it's the case that 3hp 3phase slow speed motors are very widely used, therefore widely sought after and snapped up immediately, or if they are rarely used and the supply is poor
[13:07:47] <roycroft> i am in western oregon, on the west coast of the us
[13:08:14] <roycroft> very far from the rust belt
[13:08:16] <gloops> alternative might be to mount the flange motor indirect and set some pulleys up to control speed - all work though
[13:08:27] <roycroft> although ironically machinery rusts very well here - better than in the actual rust belt :)
[13:08:35] <roycroft> i need direct drive
[13:09:01] <roycroft> my design is based on jeremy schmidt's design
[13:09:30] <roycroft> incorporating the feature to flip it from vertical to horizontal
[13:09:36] <pink_vampire> https://hartford.craigslist.org
[13:09:43] <roycroft> there's no way i'd be able to reasonably do that with a belt drive thing
[13:10:28] <roycroft> that's close, pink_vampire
[13:11:01] <roycroft> i don't have 3 phase power though - i'll be using a vfd, and my vfds won't put out 460v
[13:11:07] <roycroft> i need 208/230v
[13:11:08] <pink_vampire> go on craigslist and search for "3hp"
[13:11:13] <roycroft> i did not specify that before
[13:11:26] <roycroft> and i have been on both my local cl and regional ones
[13:12:12] <roycroft> for some reason 3hp seems to be a really odd size
[13:12:45] <roycroft> i might just adjust the design to let me use the flange mount motor
[13:12:49] <roycroft> but that's kind of a hassle
[13:13:29] <pink_vampire> https://portland.craigslist.org
[13:13:34] <roycroft> i've been thinking about getting a base mount motor and using the flange mount on something else later
[13:13:43] <pink_vampire> not sure if single phase or not
[13:14:30] <roycroft> weird - that did not show up in my cl search that included pdx
[13:15:03] <roycroft> it's more than i want to pay for something that old and beat up
[13:15:19] <roycroft> but not too much more - it could be a candidate if i can't find something else
[13:15:34] <roycroft> while i'd like to get one for $125 delivered, i know that's probably unrealistic
[13:16:54] <roycroft> oh, that one was in the "heavy equipment" category
[13:17:03] <roycroft> i was searching in tools, where i usually find that kind of stuff
[13:17:11] <pink_vampire> get a threadmill on the free stuff
[13:17:25] <roycroft> i suppose just doing a general search would be better, although it includes a lot of outboard motors for boats
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[13:18:57] <roycroft> i'm ready to go get some steel to start making this thing, once the snow melts
[13:19:28] <roycroft> so it's time to finalize the design, and the tilting unit on which the motor mounts is one of the first assemblies i'll need to fabricate
[13:19:33] <roycroft> so this has to be sorted out very soon
[13:20:16] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com yep, thats what I remember about the last time I tried it.
[13:23:35] <pink_vampire> :(
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[14:32:46] <jthornton> pink_vampire: the font file is missing all the tilt fonts, do you have a different one?
[14:34:05] <pink_vampire> not that i know of
[14:34:32] <pink_vampire> but i never finish those probing gcode file anyway
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[14:48:37] <JT-Shop2> your screen shot shows some from letters ABCDEF but they are not in the font file that's why I asked
[14:49:44] <pink_vampire> it was 3 years ago
[14:50:46] <pink_vampire> I have no idea what i did back then
[14:51:10] <JT-Shop2> lol no biggie
[14:52:55] <pink_vampire> also it was part that i did and some parts people help me over time, this is why i never finished it :(
[15:06:34] <JT-Shop2> what part do you use?
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[15:15:37] <skunkworks> when hooking up smart serial - does rx+ get hooked to tx+ and so on?
[15:24:29] <gloops> haha, my optiplex died but the linuxcnc drive is still working!
[15:25:14] <gloops> so i just need another 32 bit pc to run it
[15:37:50] <_unreal_> sooooooo tired.... just finished the last of the @#$%@$#% cement work
[15:38:06] <_unreal_> the side walkway is done
[15:38:26] <_unreal_> and all of the big cement blocks from the old FENCE post have been processed as well
[15:39:18] <_unreal_> gloops, its killing me I'm waiting on ONE bleeping part so I can start dealign witht eh software side of my linuxcnc project....
[15:39:49] <_unreal_> there are front panel buttons I need to install to the computer shell but I cant mount anything till I get them installed because they are in front of the LCD controller board.
[15:39:53] <_unreal_> so annoying
[15:40:28] <_unreal_> I wanted to do acrylic dowels as buttons so I could light them up but no one carries them anymore
[15:41:06] <_unreal_> So I ordered long stem push buttons soon as they arrive today I rebuild the stupid PCB mount it glue it and done with it
[15:42:29] <gloops> this has been running fine for a year, i pretty much abused it though so my own fault, ive got several old scrapper PCs just trying to cobble a decent working one out of them
[15:44:31] <_unreal_> ya I have plenty of old PCs but I'm going for the SBC
[15:44:54] <_unreal_> HELL I have put out an offer I'll make anyone in the USA a special computer case if they can get my software put together for me
[15:45:21] <_unreal_> If anyone can solve my software issues I will make them one of these RPI shells. I will only ship to USA btw. https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com
[15:45:21] <_unreal_> <_unreal_> if anyone is interested PM me... I'm around just working on getting the back panel PORT i/o's cutout https://drive.google.com
[15:45:40] <_unreal_> I posted that in #raspberrypi
[15:46:08] <gloops> what kind of software issues _unreal_ - i cant ehlp but just curious
[15:46:12] <gloops> help
[15:46:36] <gloops> also cooking dinner so afk
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[15:48:00] <_unreal_> I have an asus tinker board. I need an RT image setup, with linuxncc setup working, the display working 1024x600, the GPIO's setup and working with linuxcnc and a few other aspects....
[15:48:53] <_unreal_> in the photos I have a 7" RPI touch lcd mounted. it can take a little bit larger display
[15:49:02] <_unreal_> but I have the molds so I can make the shell easy
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[16:01:09] <pcw_home> skunkworks: yes the physical TX+ goes to RX+ etc
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[16:06:47] <skunkworks> pcw_mesa: I am trying to hook up stmbl to a 7i76 - hooking it up that way doesn't see it.
[16:08:34] <skunkworks> got it - had to reverse the +/-
[16:09:46] <pcw_home> some people use different nomenclature, to me, + idles low
[16:10:05] <skunkworks> well you are obviously wrong.. ;)
[16:10:55] <pcw_home> Ive had some arguments about it...
[16:11:50] <pcw_home> I use the RS-423 spec that says + matches RS-232 polarity (so is inverted from UART data)
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[16:14:23] <skunkworks> pcw_home: the network end seems to be standard.. I just hooked the green and orange pairs up as your RS-422 section..
[16:17:54] <pcw_home> Yeah we used the EIA-blah color standard but our polarity names
[16:20:44] <skunkworks> ah
[16:20:47] <skunkworks> it worked
[16:21:27] <skunkworks> well - kinda. I am not understanding the stmbl - I was expecting velocity and position pins.. But I am only getting a handfull
[16:21:36] <skunkworks> i/o and such
[16:28:58] <Tom_L> have they got the new design done on the STMBL?
[16:29:22] <skunkworks> pcw_home: if I run the 7i92_MX3660x2D.bit - could I get a way to do smart serial on the P1? (if I supply a 422 ttl/422 converter?
[16:29:29] <skunkworks> Tom_L: not yet
[16:30:18] <Tom_L> is this the first try on it for you?
[16:31:00] <skunkworks> I have played with stmbl off and on - I am getting close to get the green machine running...
[16:31:15] <skunkworks> and want to use the drive as a spindle drive
[16:32:33] <gloops> no version of 2.8 that runs on 64 bit then?
[16:33:21] <Tom_L> that would be up to the OS wouldn't it?
[16:34:01] <gloops> hmm, assuming on wheezy
[16:34:35] <gloops> so id need to install linuxcnc on a different os for 64 bit
[16:34:39] <Tom_L> did you try doing an update pointing to the differene repo?
[16:35:07] <Tom_L> i'm a bit confused on that myself
[16:35:14] <pcw_home> skunkworks: sure
[16:35:28] <gloops> i did update linuxcnc to 2.8, but still on debian
[16:35:48] <Tom_L> stretch or something else?
[16:36:01] <jthornton> I run linuxcnc on 64 bit
[16:36:05] <gloops> i thought i saw someone say there was an iso release due out now on stretch
[16:36:10] <pcw_home> probably 7i92_MX3660x1_ssD
[16:37:13] <gloops> it would be hard work for me to get linuxcnc on stretch, i think
[16:37:20] <pcw_home> Yeah its (stretch test iso) 2.7.14 but of course update-able to 2.8
[16:37:21] <Tom_L> there was talk but i haven't seen it yet
[16:37:28] <Tom_L> just the test
[16:37:44] <gloops> whats the ETA pcw_home?
[16:37:46] <Tom_L> so 2.8 would run on wheezy?
[16:38:13] <gloops> 2.8 does run on wheezy, all i want is 2.8 on 64 bit
[16:38:28] <pcw_home> ETA of what? the stretch test ISO has been available for a year or more
[16:39:03] <Tom_L> is there a particular reason you need 64bit?
[16:39:04] <gloops> pcw_home, so i install the stretch iso, and can update on that to 2.8? and that will run on 64 bit
[16:39:20] <pcw_home> I think updating to 2.8 is pretty automatic with the package manager
[16:39:31] <gloops> Tom_L my thinking is its getting harder to find decent 32 bit machines
[16:39:38] <pcw_home> yes should be easy
[16:39:46] <gloops> so..then theres the problem of 64 with parport
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[16:40:14] <pcw_home> 32 bit Linux runs fine on 64 bit hardware (but Wheezy may not if the hardware is too new)
[16:40:24] <gloops> ive got 3 old pcs here, 2 wont start and ones too slow lol
[16:40:44] <pcw_home> try the stretch ISO + latency
[16:40:59] <gloops> ok ill look at the stretch iso thanks
[16:41:22] <pcw_home> just google stretch linuxcnc
[16:41:36] <Tom_L> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[16:43:33] <skunkworks> pcw_home: there is already a bit file>
[16:43:34] <skunkworks> ?
[16:44:12] <gloops> thanks - i wont be doing it tonight though
[16:46:24] <Tom_L> i've got it on my test machine
[16:46:45] <Tom_L> but it's still 2.7 iirc
[16:46:46] <skunkworks> gloops: stretch uses rt_preempt which might not have as good latency as rtai. your milage may vary..
[16:47:13] <Tom_L> i've been under the impression 2.8 wouldn't work on wheezy for some reason
[16:47:38] <Tom_L> because of the preempt-rt thing. maybe that's just because of stretch
[16:48:25] <skunkworks> 2.8 will work on weezy
[16:49:01] <Tom_L> cool
[16:49:06] <gloops> it runs fine on wheezy for me
[16:49:17] <Tom_L> still think i'll try it on a spare drive first
[16:49:21] <gloops> old optiplex it was on died
[16:49:33] <Tom_L> is the config a little different than 2.7?
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[16:55:47] <skunkworks> Tom_L: yes - but there is an automated config converter.
[16:56:58] <pcw_home> skunkworks I dont think so but I can cobble one together
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[17:00:43] <skunkworks> no rush
[17:00:54] <skunkworks> pcw_home: no rush - Thanks!
[17:03:16] <pcw_home> any specific pinout you wish? (I suspect using the GPIO 0..7 pins would be the best noise wise since they would have interleaved grounds or power on the flat cable)
[17:03:54] <pcw_home> (you could jumper the 7I92 to supply 5V to the level shifter)
[17:04:09] <skunkworks> no - whatever you think is best
[17:10:55] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:21:26] <_unreal_> OMG would the delivery service just deliver my package already... due today SOMETIME today by 9pm
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[17:38:54] <pcw_home> skunkworks: http://freeby.mesanet.com
[17:39:48] <pcw_home> (I was wrong the interleaved ground pins end is the high numbered side of the GPIO)
[17:40:29] <pcw_home> MX3660 on P2, 4 sserial channels on P1
[17:46:16] <skunkworks> pcw_home: Thank you!
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[18:10:25] <_unreal_> pcw_home, 4 in one. interesting
[18:45:58] <_unreal_> ?
[18:51:49] <_unreal_> OMG I found my stupid wireless keyboard usb plug finally
[18:57:25] <XXCoder> lol
[18:57:38] <XXCoder> reminds me of one time I needed to find my currently used wireless dongle
[18:57:59] <XXCoder> took me quite a while to remember my apple keyboard had 2 usb ports LOL
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[19:10:09] <jthornton> XXCoder: https://imagebin.ca
[19:10:15] <XXCoder> looking
[19:10:20] <jthornton> pink_vampire: ^^^
[19:10:36] <Tom_L> i like that
[19:10:43] <XXCoder> thats fanastic font indeed.
[19:10:45] <Tom_L> maps to jeplers routines?
[19:10:54] <XXCoder> we need to add more to the font.
[19:10:57] <jthornton> ???
[19:11:04] <jthornton> what do you mean Tom_L
[19:11:09] <Tom_L> what are we looking at?
[19:11:19] <Tom_L> the edge stuff, isn't that jeplers touch routines?
[19:11:28] <jthornton> pyvcp with pink_vampire fonts
[19:11:32] <Tom_L> oh
[19:11:34] <XXCoder> hes showcasing pink_vampire's custom font also
[19:11:38] <jthornton> no cradek did the probe routines
[19:11:49] <Tom_L> err yeah that's who i meant
[19:11:59] <Tom_L> bad weather on the way tonight
[19:11:59] <jthornton> the magic is reading the pyvcp spin box in the subroutine
[19:12:05] <jthornton> me too
[19:12:46] <jthornton> he did hole and edge not corner
[19:12:56] <Tom_L> looks kinda patchy right now but they say 5"
[19:13:04] <Tom_L> oh
[19:13:54] <jthornton> we just look like a wintery mix tonight of rain snot and sleet
[19:18:04] <_unreal_> jthornton, ?
[19:18:43] <XXCoder> 3 days of solid sun
[19:19:01] <_unreal_> https://www.google.com
[19:19:03] <_unreal_> ME :)
[19:19:08] <jthornton> qué
[19:19:41] <_unreal_> yarp
[19:19:49] <Tom_L> _unreal_ where are you?
[19:19:55] <_unreal_> palm to face
[19:19:57] <_unreal_> https://www.google.com
[19:20:48] <_unreal_> ?
[19:20:58] * _unreal_ grabs my last beer brb
[19:23:26] <_unreal_> much better
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[19:42:52] <XXCoder> I hate having to go and read vin off my car lol
[19:43:03] <XXCoder> expecially since event ticket were stuck there for years
[19:43:18] <XXCoder> took me while to move it out of way lol
[19:44:50] <XXCoder> dammit new part not ready yet
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[20:09:15] <CaptHindsight> back to below zero F again this week, -21C
[20:12:13] <XXCoder> fun
[20:12:15] <Tom_L> headed this way too
[20:12:23] <Tom_L> XXCoder look on your insurance card
[20:12:27] <XXCoder> very sunny 45f here
[20:12:59] <XXCoder> Tom_L: doh didnt think of that but its fine, my car shouldnt say "one private parking" in vin spot anyway :)
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[20:21:24] <CaptHindsight> we should be averaging 40F (5c)
[20:21:54] <_unreal_> XXCoder, I'll match you your sun and raise you 30F :)
[20:22:52] <XXCoder> lol
[20:23:14] <XXCoder> no bets. I love the cold.
[20:23:50] <jdh> we will be below freezing tuesday night. brr.
[20:24:23] <_unreal_> I had an alagator in the back yard today
[20:24:34] <_unreal_> I had an alligator in the back yard today
[20:25:02] <jdh> haven't had any in mine.
[20:25:17] <_unreal_> scared the shit out of me
[20:25:33] <jdh> but, the creek/ditch along the back drains into a pond that has one every so often
[20:25:34] <_unreal_> wasnt there.... and I was working in the back yard then it was... sunning it self in the next door yard
[20:25:38] <_unreal_> I was like WAAAAAAAHHHH
[20:25:49] <_unreal_> ALMOST A 6'ER THAT IS a man killer
[20:25:58] <_unreal_> I'm not little but I wont fark with a beast that big
[20:25:59] <jdh> heh
[20:26:15] <jdh> I won't touch any of them, but 6ft isn't so big
[20:27:25] <jdh> where are you?
[20:27:46] <_unreal_> south florida
[20:28:36] <jdh> my artistic shot of one I rode by https://i.imgur.com
[20:31:40] <_unreal_> hum
[20:32:42] <_unreal_> jdh this place is about a 30min drive south of me https://www.earthcam.com
[20:32:49] <_unreal_> its a live cam
[20:33:28] <_unreal_> hello?
[20:35:15] <jdh> hello!
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[20:41:57] <_unreal_> is there anybody out there?
[20:42:00] <_unreal_> ooooOOOOOOO
[20:45:21] <_unreal_> brb kernel update
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[20:51:18] <_unreal_> updated
[20:57:28] <_unreal_> hello?
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[23:02:13] <XXCoder> _unreal_: hello
[23:02:25] <XXCoder> hmm interesting, guys. https://e360.yale.edu
[23:02:37] <XXCoder> it may sound odd but might help clear out co2
[23:26:30] <Tom_L> XXCoder how many SFM do you typically run a .250" EM in aluminum?
[23:26:53] <Tom_L> i've been figuring off chip load but for this i need SFM
[23:27:09] <XXCoder> unfortunately i rarely need to calculate anything as program is made for me :)
[23:27:23] <Tom_L> ok
[23:28:05] <XXCoder> most people here own a shop and run their own, myself im between operator and machinist
[23:28:32] <Tom_L> i figured but thought you might know
[23:28:56] <Tom_L> i'm pretty close on it i think
[23:29:04] <XXCoder> wouldnt you be able to get sfm by figuring what chip size you want
[23:29:10] <XXCoder> say .003" chip
[23:29:24] <Tom_L> yeah but i'm tryin to calculate for some tools i've never used
[23:29:30] <Tom_L> using a comparison
[23:30:40] <XXCoder> yeah maybe get it from known tool ipm rpm to work well
[23:30:47] <Tom_L> yeah you could normally run around .005" chipload but not on this mill
[23:30:55] <XXCoder> hget chip sizes from that, then figure it out to sfm
[23:31:06] <Tom_L> that's what i'm doing
[23:31:08] <XXCoder> sfm for new tool that is
[23:33:04] <XXCoder> cool hope you get it to work :)
[23:35:05] <Tom_L> i start conservative but i don't wanna make it too slow
[23:36:11] <XXCoder> yeah no powder
[23:36:53] <XXCoder> unless youre trying to make powder makeup like classic wizard of oz guy lol
[23:40:30] <norias> uh
[23:41:34] <norias> sfm is tool material / workpiece material dependent
[23:41:49] <norias> and mostly controls heat generation / tool life
[23:42:01] <Tom_L> yeah i know
[23:42:04] <XXCoder> theorically you want chips to fly away with heat in it
[23:42:15] <XXCoder> thats what I know of it. :)
[23:42:22] <norias> chip load is.. eh, not really related
[23:42:36] <norias> sfm -> rpm
[23:42:43] <norias> chip load -> fpm
[23:42:48] <Tom_L> i figure chip load because the spindle motor is only .6 Hp
[23:43:12] <norias> keep in mind all published chip loads for tooling
[23:43:29] <norias> is for >= 1/2 Tool Diameter of Radial Depth of Cut
[23:43:37] <Tom_L> yeah
[23:43:49] <norias> fpm increases as radial doc decreases
[23:44:03] <Tom_L> looking at thread mills right now
[23:44:17] <norias> it sounds like you should be working backwards from HP requirements for the process
[23:44:23] <norias> given that you are HP limited
[23:44:38] <norias> belt or gear driven spindle?
[23:44:41] <Tom_L> not too worried about HP with these
[23:44:42] <Tom_L> belt
[23:44:46] <norias> good
[23:44:53] <Tom_L> timing belt
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[23:45:20] <norias> do you have some tooling / material to spare?
[23:45:34] <Tom_L> no spare tools but plenty of material
[23:46:11] <Tom_L> i ran one test but got chastized here for running it too slow :)
[23:46:21] <norias> hah
[23:46:28] <norias> well, it's not straight forward
[23:46:53] <Tom_L> i now
[23:46:54] <Tom_L> know
[23:47:00] <Tom_L> i have a pretty good idea though
[23:47:20] <norias> generally, you have a feasible band limited by heat on the upper side
[23:47:24] <norias> (for rpm)
[23:47:38] <norias> and bounded from below by "no productivity"
[23:47:54] <Tom_L> i'm not shooting for maximum production here
[23:48:02] <norias> but the frequency response of the tool / machine system limits what rpm's are actually usable in that range
[23:48:09] <Tom_L> but i don't wanna grow old waiting on it either
[23:48:12] <norias> due to chatter
[23:48:54] <Tom_L> i'm just concerned due to the reduced shank size
[23:49:01] <norias> if it were me, i'd run the rpm at whatever the manufacturer says
[23:49:19] <norias> and i'd work the chip load backwards from the HP to get a max
[23:49:22] <Tom_L> haven't really found anything on these yet
[23:49:30] <norias> then see what radial DOC i can get with that
[23:50:08] <Tom_L> http://onlinecarbide.com
[23:50:14] <Tom_L> that's what we're looking at
[23:50:25] <norias> what are you cutting?
[23:50:31] <Tom_L> aluminum
[23:50:48] <Tom_L> but i've got a steel part i wanna use a 3/4" one on
[23:51:09] <norias> conservatively... i'd go like 300sfm for aluminum / carbide
[23:51:20] <norias> maybe 90 for steel / carbide
[23:51:28] <Tom_L> really?
[23:51:37] <Tom_L> i'm around 200 right now
[23:51:40] <norias> but inch the steel one up until things are bad, then back off
[23:51:44] <Tom_L> depending on the cutter
[23:51:51] <norias> if 200 is working, that's not too bad
[23:52:10] <norias> it does have a lot of suface area engaged
[23:52:20] <norias> so 200 is probably reasonable
[23:52:22] <Tom_L> no just the tool point
[23:52:31] <Tom_L> it's a single point thread cutter
[23:52:32] <norias> yeah
[23:52:34] <Tom_L> 4 flute
[23:52:37] <norias> no, i get that
[23:53:00] <norias> but for the size, any threading engages a lot of surface area
[23:53:08] <norias> you're making more heat
[23:53:25] <Tom_L> brb
[23:53:44] <norias> ok
[23:59:31] <Tom_L> bak