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[00:00:23] <Tom_L> also i planned to make multiple passes similar to single point lathe threading
[00:01:04] <norias> makes sense
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[00:01:06] <Tom_L> so i should be able to run it at a little higheer feed
[00:01:22] <norias> keep in mind i've only ever done this stuff on larger machines
[00:01:39] <norias> i.e. > 10 HP spindle
[00:02:44] <Tom_L> i know
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[00:03:00] <Tom_L> i used to program for them as well but it's been years and this is a small mill
[00:03:08] <Tom_L> takes some getting used to
[00:03:11] <norias> i bet!
[00:03:24] <Tom_L> i did make a macro to program them though
[00:04:01] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[00:04:12] <Tom_L> will do RH or LH inside or external
[00:04:44] <Tom_L> newer software i'm sure has it built in nowdays
[00:07:49] <Tom_L> my bud had fadal, okuma and trees mostly
[00:09:04] <norias> cool
[00:10:14] <Tom_L> most of the smaller shops around here use mastercam now
[00:10:25] <Tom_L> that or catia for those that can afford it
[00:32:07] <_unreal_> XXCoder, hi
[00:32:25] <XXCoder> yo
[00:35:56] <pink_vampire> hi
[00:36:26] <pink_vampire> hope to make some parts today
[00:36:45] <XXCoder> hey
[00:37:47] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[00:37:54] <pink_vampire> I'm cleaning here
[00:38:52] <pink_vampire> it is become huge mess here
[00:40:13] <XXCoder> machining is a mess heh yeah
[00:40:21] <_unreal_> XXCoder, you called for me?
[00:40:58] <XXCoder> oh ya
[00:41:01] <pink_vampire> do i have a 3d printer? https://i.imgur.com
[00:41:06] <XXCoder> you said hello? so i said hello
[00:41:19] <XXCoder> parts of one in least
[00:41:28] <XXCoder> remains from your test from what I recall
[00:43:08] <pink_vampire> one day i will make it work again... one day..
[00:43:59] <XXCoder> 3d printer tend to need faster frames than your mill
[00:45:29] <pink_vampire> I found myself need some parts that could be very easy to print but pain to machine
[00:46:13] <XXCoder> yeah 3d printer is fanastic on that
[00:46:15] <pink_vampire> jthornton: look amazing!
[00:46:30] <XXCoder> the ui picture he posted? yeah!
[00:46:41] <XXCoder> your font brings it home
[00:47:02] <pink_vampire> i need to finish my ui, and make it more usable
[00:47:25] <pink_vampire> what do you mean by bring it home?
[00:47:46] <XXCoder> well make it look very good lol
[00:48:19] <pink_vampire> so i will keep working on that font
[00:49:55] <pink_vampire> any idea how to remove hot glue?
[00:50:19] <XXCoder> isnt that usually can peel off after some heat?
[00:50:54] <pink_vampire> it is on a foam pvc sheet
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[00:52:19] <XXCoder> oh hmm
[00:52:22] <XXCoder> hey gloops
[00:53:03] <gloops> hi
[00:54:47] <gloops> im just looking at my computer options for the cnc, 4 old boxes, none looking great lol
[00:55:16] <pink_vampire> gloops: did you make it work again?
[00:55:40] <gloops> i can either hunt for a decent 32 bit, or try and get stretch with linuxcnc running on 64 bit
[00:55:58] <gloops> i didnt pink_vampire, life is definitely extinct
[00:57:12] <pink_vampire> the hdd is ok?
[00:57:30] <XXCoder> gloops: buy 8 gb SSD
[00:57:42] <XXCoder> its maybe 10 bucks? and plenty of room for linuxcnc
[00:57:54] <gloops> well, thats the dilemna, i booted the drive on another PC - it ran and got to enter password stage - thats fine i thought and left it
[00:58:20] <gloops> but then about 30 minutes later i did try entering passowrd - it froze, wont boot at all now lol
[00:59:03] <pink_vampire> the hdd spin?
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[01:00:20] <gloops> pink_vampire it didnt go into any real effort spinning but it must have been reading to get to password surely
[01:00:55] <gloops> i dont know whether to scrap this load of junk and get 64 bit
[01:02:04] <pink_vampire> try to make a bit by bit clone of the drive with clonezilla
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[01:02:44] <gloops> so, i got a spare drive on this 64 bit PC, i can download stretch iso and see if i can get linuxcnc working on it - i have got the configs backed up from the old one
[01:02:48] <pink_vampire> it will take clonezilla some time to go make if there is a problem with the disk
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[01:03:10] <pink_vampire> so in that case, just go fresh
[01:03:27] <gloops> i think it would be worth it in the long run
[01:03:34] <XXCoder> probably
[01:04:14] <pink_vampire> but after all it is a cnc machine, not a gaming computer, so..
[01:04:36] <gloops> i think getting the config right last time traumatised me so much it put me off that aspect of things, it has been a year though lol, im ready again
[01:04:54] <pink_vampire> if you dont have more then 4gb of ram or 64bit cpu' 32 bit will be just fine
[01:05:11] <gloops> it did work fine on 32 bit
[01:05:50] <pink_vampire> the computer is 64 bit?
[01:06:04] <gloops> the original dead one was 32 bit
[01:06:13] <pink_vampire> the new one
[01:06:15] <gloops> are you using 64 bit for your cnc?
[01:06:45] <pink_vampire> no idea
[01:06:54] <gloops> oh, i havent bought i new one yet, - im going to see if i can get linuxcnc working on my home 64 bit pc first
[01:08:06] <gloops> i dont need the machine for a couple of weeks anyway
[01:08:56] <pink_vampire> rtai-686
[01:09:13] <pink_vampire> so i have 32 bit
[01:11:04] <gloops> yeah, well mine worked fine on that, ive looked around on ebay and such for old XP era PCs, not much atm
[01:11:18] <gloops> whereas loads of 64 bit newer ones going cheap
[01:15:48] <gloops> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[01:16:00] <gloops> so whats the different between those isos?
[01:16:40] <XXCoder> im not 100% sure but my pc is 64 bit, but I sued 32 bit iso worked fine?
[01:16:40] <pink_vampire> revision 12 or 13
[01:16:49] <pink_vampire> 64bit and 32bit
[01:17:39] <pink_vampire> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[01:17:51] <pink_vampire> revision 13 64bit
[01:18:12] <gloops> far as ive been told XXCoder, wheezy has problems with later hardware on 64 bit machines
[01:18:21] <XXCoder> hmm ok
[01:18:27] <gloops> oh i just thought of something else, newer PCs - no parport
[01:18:40] <gloops> lol
[01:18:52] <pink_vampire> time for mesa card lol
[01:18:55] <gloops> right thanks pink
[01:19:37] <XXCoder> can buy parallel port card if nesscary
[01:19:40] <gloops> mesa would take me 6 months to get running lol
[01:19:56] <XXCoder> my linuxcnc pc has added parallel port card
[01:19:59] <pink_vampire> same here
[01:20:18] <gloops> any old cheap parport card?
[01:20:29] <gloops> someone was saying you need a quality one
[01:20:36] <XXCoder> specific tpe is better, but its cheap anyway
[01:20:46] <pink_vampire> mmm maybe just use GRBL (joke)
[01:20:54] <gloops> hmm, decisions decisions
[01:20:54] <XXCoder> forgot what its called. google "whats good parallel card for linuxcnc"
[01:21:39] <pink_vampire> on the pc that i'm using i have 2 lpt cards from ebay the cheapest you can get
[01:21:58] <pink_vampire> it was a PAIN to make them work
[01:22:19] <XXCoder> "best" one would allow some stuff to work but I didnt need it but got it for in case heh
[01:22:29] <XXCoder> in order to get basic working Ithink nearly any would work
[01:22:35] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[01:22:37] <pink_vampire> those
[01:23:24] <XXCoder> think mine can support 2 parallel ports for more pins?
[01:23:33] <gloops> hmm, well ill keep my eye out for a decent 32 bit while playing with stretch install, i.e hold off buying a newer PC until i have to
[01:23:49] <pink_vampire> what cpu do you have?
[01:23:54] <gloops> and then go through the parport card hell
[01:24:12] <pink_vampire> and what ram?
[01:24:26] <pink_vampire> you just need a mother board?
[01:24:40] <gloops> pink_vampire - no idea, i bought this pc plugged it in and started chatting one night - let me see
[01:24:58] <gloops> intel i5 i think
[01:25:01] <pink_vampire> there is a service tag on it?
[01:26:54] <gloops> cant see anything about the chip (that i can read)
[01:27:21] <pink_vampire> on every dell computer there is a "service tag"
[01:27:31] <gloops> do i need to know to know which version of stretch to install?
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[01:29:26] <pink_vampire> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[01:29:31] <pink_vampire> the newest
[01:30:14] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[01:30:34] <gloops> intel (R) Core (TM) i5 3.47 GHz
[01:31:01] <pink_vampire> but it was in a dell computer
[01:31:11] <pink_vampire> so you need the dell motherboard
[01:31:13] <gloops> oh the OLD chip
[01:32:00] <pink_vampire> https://i1.wp.com
[01:32:09] <gloops> assuming its the motherboard thats gone, i thought of that
[01:32:15] <pink_vampire> do you have a sticker like that on the computer?
[01:32:19] <gloops> its dell 745
[01:33:06] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[01:35:07] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[01:35:39] <gloops> service tag 7KW1T2J
[01:35:41] <pink_vampire> gloops: are you sure is was Dell OPTIPLEX 745?
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[01:36:04] <gloops> yes - well it says that on the top of the case anyway
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[01:39:38] <pink_vampire> https://www.dell.com
[01:39:48] <pink_vampire> dell show nothing about the parts
[01:40:07] <XXCoder> dell often changes parts for same model #
[01:40:18] <XXCoder> you'd have to look up serial to get specific details.
[01:41:57] <gloops> it is something to consider, id probably rather spend £30 on a running oldster though
[01:43:16] <pink_vampire> there is 4 types of Dell™ OptiPlex™ 745
[01:43:19] <gloops> ive got an emachine that can take 4 gig ram, 32 bit, but it has onboard graphics card
[01:43:34] <pink_vampire> https://downloads.dell.com
[01:43:43] <pink_vampire> look at the top
[01:44:01] <pink_vampire> do you know what type it is?
[01:44:10] <XXCoder> just disable onboard gpu and add a card
[01:44:16] <XXCoder> older gaming card would do fine.
[01:44:57] <gloops> mine is the dell optiplex 745 mini tower
[01:45:28] <gloops> XXCoder disabling the onboard card not a big thing in wheezy?
[01:45:38] <XXCoder> its bios thing not os thing
[01:45:51] <gloops> k that is one option then
[01:46:00] <gloops> i could have that running today maybe
[01:46:03] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[01:46:09] <pink_vampire> this one?
[01:46:10] <XXCoder> both my main pc and linuxcnc pc has onboard and both has it disabled and have much better gpu card installed.
[01:46:43] <Wolf__> just throw a geforce 2080 in it
[01:47:33] <gloops> looks very similar pink_vampire
[01:47:57] <gloops> ive got half a dozen old cards i can fit
[01:48:49] <pink_vampire> are you sure is was have i5?
[01:49:08] <gloops> no the dell wasnt i5
[01:49:27] <gloops> my home pc 64 bit is i5, i thought thats what you were asking originally
[01:49:41] <pink_vampire> do you know what cpu / socket the dell was?
[01:50:02] <gloops> no idea on that
[01:50:37] <gloops> someone did suggest re-seating the cpu - as a common fix
[01:50:47] <gloops> not sure what that would do
[01:51:12] <pink_vampire> sound like something that is very easy to do
[01:51:49] <pink_vampire> just take the cpu off the socket, clean and put it back with fresh thermal paste
[01:51:55] <gloops> i might try it, i didnt spend too much time on it last night
[01:52:22] <pink_vampire> "brand new" dell optiplex 745 sff cost 50$
[01:52:22] <XXCoder> might need some ipa love if its dirty'
[01:52:35] <XXCoder> canned air cleanup then some ipa if needed
[01:52:42] <gloops> ive gt 4 old PCs - time passes plugging in, starting up, switching down, swapping bits, try again lol
[01:53:17] <gloops> XXCoder that was immediate thought - dust, but its looks very clean inside, to say its been at side of router
[01:53:29] <XXCoder> have smoker been using it?
[01:53:50] <XXCoder> also was there alum dust?
[01:53:56] <gloops> the air intake is completely housed to the cpu heat sink - even that looks clean
[01:54:10] <XXCoder> should be ok
[01:54:11] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[01:54:15] <gloops> ahh, there has been welding smoke
[01:54:44] <XXCoder> i dont know if the weld smoke is conductive
[01:54:55] <gloops> i am watching that already pink_vampire lol
[01:55:02] <pink_vampire> lol!
[01:55:03] <XXCoder> normal dust is not, smoker dust and "dust" are, so are alum dust
[01:55:38] <XXCoder> never smoke by your pc, pc gets "cancer" of conductive dust and sticky stuff thats also conductive
[01:56:07] <gloops> wasnt sure if that dell on ebay was 64 bit
[01:56:30] <pink_vampire> gloops: link?
[01:56:39] <XXCoder> heh i still remember telling one guy i helped that sorry pc died by smoke
[01:56:50] <gloops> the one you just posted pink_vampire
[01:56:58] <XXCoder> inside was... messy. it was also glitching and I managed to get files off it before it died
[01:58:31] <pink_vampire> it is 775 socket, so yeah it is 64 bit,
[01:58:49] <pink_vampire> same socket that i have
[01:59:10] <pink_vampire> you can put a Q cpu there
[01:59:23] <gloops> and you are running wheezy on that?
[01:59:33] <pink_vampire> correct
[02:00:59] <gloops> well theres 9 hours to go with that pc, so if no solution by then, ill buy it
[02:01:01] <pink_vampire> get any Core 2 Quad and it will run much faster
[02:02:36] <gloops> in the meantime i think ill have an hour playing with this e-machine see what its up for
[02:07:28] <pink_vampire> did you had some special configurations on it?
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[02:09:43] <gloops> it was linuxcnc 2.8 set up for dual motor gantry, its not really hard to do again, the homing took some messing about to get right though
[02:10:09] <gloops> (it was a nightmare when i did it because it was the first time id seen linuxcnc lol, its not much really )
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[02:10:52] <pink_vampire> I'm sure it is not that bad
[02:11:41] <gloops> attempting re-seating of chip on original computer, the old thermal paste looks dry and sketchy, but its clean all round
[02:12:37] <pink_vampire> what cpu is that?
[02:26:54] <gloops> oh wow....
[02:26:59] <gloops> its on haha
[02:27:33] <pink_vampire> copy the files first!
[02:27:53] <gloops> i dont believe that, took chip out, took ram out, re-fitted all, its running
[02:27:57] <gloops> it was dead!
[02:28:15] <gloops> no hard drive connected
[02:28:16] <XXCoder> might be minor corrosion and you cleaned it by reseating
[02:28:27] <pink_vampire> or chips
[02:28:28] <XXCoder> and yeah copy all crap off it now
[02:28:35] <Wolf__> higher level of turn it off and back on again
[02:28:36] <gloops> someone suggested doing that yesterday i just didnt see the point
[02:29:50] <XXCoder> or maybe its very fine alum powder. same thing killed my nook simple touch. thats why my kindle paperwhite 2 is in dustproof and waterproof case
[02:30:07] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: LOL
[02:30:11] <XXCoder> 4 years no problems (besides case itself rubber trim getting rotten by corrosive chemicals at work)
[02:30:21] <gloops> possible, i have been drilling alu, maybe some grinding
[02:30:35] <XXCoder> maybe canned air would help clear it more
[02:30:59] <XXCoder> there is special high air flow filters you should use. we use em on all intakes for all cnc machines.
[02:31:09] <XXCoder> looks like huge blue tipped white hair mat
[02:31:13] <XXCoder> 2 inches thick
[02:31:29] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: filters added to my list
[02:31:54] <Wolf__> my pos car broke down just from water leaking in the sunroof and leaving mineral deposits on one of the under dash connectors, all connections are a possible fail point
[02:32:33] <gloops> yes i need to relocate the computer relative to the machine too, it is kinda sucking it straight in lol, although as i said - no noteable dust inside
[02:32:49] <Wolf__> have had a dirty connector take down my plasma machine as well, just unplugged everything and plugged it all back in and working again
[02:32:53] <XXCoder> 006 Dinou Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
[02:33:02] <XXCoder> paste fail
[02:33:06] <XXCoder> http://viewer.zmags.com
[02:33:12] <gloops> ill try the linuxcnc drive after this tea
[02:33:17] <XXCoder> see blue rolls on leftmost? thats what im talking about
[02:33:20] <XXCoder> you cut em to fit
[02:33:53] <XXCoder> you ad vecro square around vent it'll stick to it (hooks side not loops end)
[02:34:42] <XXCoder> im sure theres cheaper ones you dont have to buy entire roll.
[02:35:38] <Wolf__> could just diy a positive pressure box for the electronics with a hepa filter on the intake
[02:35:43] <XXCoder> 75 bucks for 90 feet lol way too much. https://www.airfilterhub.com
[02:36:06] <XXCoder> Wolf__: thats what a61 at work use. still has those filters in input, no reason to stress inside hepa filters.
[02:36:08] <Wolf__> cheap way would be using a vacuum cleaner filter
[02:37:17] <Wolf__> small panel filter would do
[02:39:32] <XXCoder> ehh probably though that limits air flow
[02:39:39] <XXCoder> those is quite high flow
[02:39:49] <XXCoder> im sure can find smaller amounts somewhere lol
[02:41:08] <Wolf__> not like you are trying to inflate the box, just need little bit of positive pressure
[02:42:46] <XXCoder> most of machines at work dont use postive pressure
[02:42:52] <XXCoder> just normal air inlet fans etc
[02:43:08] <XXCoder> so those sheets is pretty important. they change sheets once a year or faster
[02:43:14] <Wolf__> in to a semi sealed box?
[02:43:32] <XXCoder> a61 is only postive air pressure system that has entire computer including montior in case
[02:43:58] <XXCoder> it also has massive power system to stay on for hours even after blackout.
[02:47:47] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com 13 bucks for 600 sqrt in
[02:49:15] <CaptHindsight> keep fish out of the PC case
[02:49:23] <XXCoder> lol
[02:50:53] <gloops> linuxcnc drive not being found..hmm
[02:51:30] <gloops> theres a good chance i killed the drive post removing from the computer, where it was still probably working, which is unfortunate
[02:51:36] <XXCoder> did yiu clean connectors?
[02:51:58] <gloops> yeah i just cleaned them, it did seem to be working on a different pc yesterday
[02:52:03] <gloops> ill keep playing
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[04:32:29] <_abc_> Beep. Hello, I am looking at the usual Chinese engravers which run for $400-1200 online. Some come with a pendant some are PC connected. Do these use the same cable? Can the pendant cable be connected to a parallel port? I have access to a pendant-only one and am interested in the pinout etc, to convert it to PC, sometimes it is useful to use it with a proper PC setup.
[04:37:56] <_abc_> [related] is there any info on .cn engraver connection to linuxcnc on the linuxcnc site? In the wiki etc?
[04:38:06] <XXCoder> hey
[04:38:22] <XXCoder> not too sure though common is usb I think
[04:38:56] <XXCoder> you'd have to make sure it is parallel type, though for fairly cheap you can convert it to MESA and throw junk drivers etc included in it.
[04:39:12] <XXCoder> jthornton id man to ask if youre interested.
[04:39:24] <XXCoder> think he'll be in in 30 minutes maybe or a hour
[04:40:54] <XXCoder> its fairly large upgrade for bit over hundred bucks i think would be well worth it if youre looking to make production machine.
[05:01:18] <_abc_> I said "parallel or pendant". Pendants are equipped with a paralell-like looking cable where the connector is non standard vs D-SUB parallel and also have power from the machine routed to them. Probably a Centronics like pinout, this is what I want to find out.
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[05:01:58] <_abc_> I am not making anything a machine exists it has a pendant it will "grow" a pc connection connected where the pendant is connected now, hopefully.
[05:02:02] <_abc_> Thanks for the input XXCoder
[05:02:04] <jthornton> morning
[05:03:21] <XXCoder> no plm
[05:03:27] <XXCoder> hey jt youre here :)
[05:03:48] <XXCoder> ya cqan use another parallel card for more pins
[05:04:04] <XXCoder> though mesa exposes many pons likely enough
[05:04:11] <XXCoder> jthornton: ya know more heh
[05:04:15] <_abc_> What are you on about XXCoder I explained what I am after? Not talking to me?
[05:04:55] <XXCoder> yeah using nonstandard connector you cant tpo reverse engineer or buy for
[05:05:04] <XXCoder> er can to
[05:05:13] <XXCoder> bleh cant type
[05:05:40] <_abc_> Yes so is there info on this cable pinout on chinese engravers? Is it Centronics like as I assumed? Is there a vague standard everyone copies?
[05:07:14] <XXCoder> good question, chinese stuff can be strange
[05:07:23] <XXCoder> it could be "almost" that standard
[05:07:30] <_abc_> I know. But I am asking from people who actually know?...
[05:07:57] <jthornton> yea you can have a second parallel port on a pci or pcie
[05:08:19] <_abc_> Are you people talking to me or not please?
[05:08:37] <XXCoder> i am jt definitely are
[05:08:55] <_abc_> So what second parallel port?! I never said anything about that.
[05:09:08] <XXCoder> jthornton: i kinda misunderstood his question, hes trying to see if he could use pendants come with china machines
[05:09:14] <XXCoder> _abc_: my fault
[05:09:16] <jthornton> oh
[05:09:18] <_abc_> jthornton: XXCoder said you are more expert than he is in.
[05:09:46] <_abc_> And you misunderstood twice over. There's a .cn engraver with a pendant which I would like to occasionally connect to a pc instead of the pendant
[05:09:58] <_abc_> The cable to the pendant looks centronics like with non standard non SUB-D connector.
[05:10:11] <_abc_> Is it correct to assume that as a starting point for a reversing of the cable?
[05:10:38] <_abc_> Is there any info on such cables online perhaps in the linuxcnc wiki? Or forum posts?
[05:10:45] <_abc_> I was unable to find something like that so far
[05:11:04] <XXCoder> it might be unique
[05:11:09] <XXCoder> which is unfortuate
[05:11:11] <jthornton> I'm not familiar with that cable
[05:11:26] <_abc_> Well nobody is, but they're "the" cable these things use.
[05:11:43] <jthornton> you might have to ring it out to see what is connected where
[05:11:50] <jthornton> got a link to it?
[05:11:59] <XXCoder> reverse engineering fun
[05:12:19] <_abc_> No link and it is an older generation one, no pics online of that.
[05:12:30] <_abc_> Just the usual desktop engraver with pendant control.
[05:12:39] <XXCoder> you already have machine you own? or considering to buy>?
[05:12:56] <_abc_> XXCoder: at this point, I am going to point you at the backlog. Seriously.
[05:13:27] <XXCoder> you said you were looking at online machines which tend to have pictures
[05:13:36] <XXCoder> then you said its older one thats not pictured
[05:13:48] <XXCoder> *ones on sale online
[05:14:03] <Wolf__> wtf is a .cn engraver
[05:16:09] <jthornton> yikes I better plug the water heater back in it's going to be 13°F tonight... can't have frozen chicken nipples
[05:16:43] <XXCoder> lol
[05:17:23] <XXCoder> _abc_: honestly your best bet probably is try find more standard ones, or just reverse engineer it.
[05:17:38] <XXCoder> it depends on your skills. im pretty sure youre good
[05:18:00] <_abc_> Wolf__: https://www.aliexpress.com
[05:18:06] <_abc_> not that particular model
[05:18:32] <_abc_> (which seems to be missing a bracket on the X motor in that pic?!)
[05:18:33] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[05:18:49] <XXCoder> not seeing any pendant?
[05:19:19] <_abc_> Which part of "not that particular model" did you not see? Also it was for Wolf__ since he asked which mill.
[05:20:00] <_abc_> https://www.google.com this is close, I can't open pinterest links , it is blacklisted here due to intrusive logging / tracking.
[05:20:23] <_abc_> https://www.pinterest.com ?
[05:20:34] <_abc_> Note the thick non USB cable
[05:20:50] <pink_vampire> _abc_: any mill is better then no mill, but that piece of junk that you send is not even close to be a mill
[05:21:03] <_abc_> I did not ask for comments on the mill.
[05:21:13] <XXCoder> p[ininterest hates direct link to one picture lemme rip one picture and upload it elsewhere
[05:21:29] <Wolf__> like 16 pendants on that page
[05:21:35] * jthornton hates pinterest
[05:21:37] <pink_vampire> lol yeah
[05:21:49] <pink_vampire> i hate it also
[05:21:59] * _abc_ boycotts all pinterest links including in search results, manually for now.
[05:22:15] <_abc_> Also it is blacklisted and raises a tracking/redirect flag when I try to open a link on it.
[05:22:34] <XXCoder> https://pasteboard.co ?
[05:22:36] <jthornton> yea when I google search I add -pinterest.com
[05:22:53] <jthornton> pink_vampire: https://imagebin.ca
[05:23:09] <_abc_> you can use imgbb.co it is hassle free for now and works well from phones
[05:23:34] <XXCoder> eh first picture paste site i found heh
[05:23:48] <_abc_> XXCoder: yes that is more or less "it" but the pendant side connector is not a D-SUB on mine.
[05:23:50] <XXCoder> anyway ot it correct one? closest match to your discription
[05:24:06] <_abc_> And it is not my mill so I need info and not do excessive surgery on it.
[05:24:18] <_abc_> Yes close match.
[05:24:32] <_abc_> The controlled of this is in a proper metal cabinet, not a bare board.
[05:24:40] <Wolf__> is it just a interface or full control
[05:24:49] <_abc_> Full control, PC less
[05:25:03] <_abc_> There's a USB port on the pendant, one connects it to PC to upload gcode
[05:25:29] <XXCoder> Wolf__: if its that small machine with similiar board, it'd be similiar board as 3d printer, it usually has firmware like say Martin or something
[05:25:30] <_abc_> So this is the "old generation" of PC-less mill control pendants.
[05:25:35] <XXCoder> *like that machine
[05:25:47] <_abc_> Martin? What is Martin?
[05:25:48] <XXCoder> but im likely wrong
[05:26:01] <XXCoder> its related to mill not pendant
[05:26:07] <_abc_> XXCoder: the machine is not as small as the one pictured but the same class.
[05:26:12] <Wolf__> https://www.aliexpress.com
[05:26:13] <XXCoder> ya
[05:26:20] <_abc_> XXCoder: there is no cpu in the controller. The brains are in the pendant.
[05:26:37] <_abc_> So what is "Martin" you referred to just now?
[05:27:05] <XXCoder> oh its controller firmware for 3d printer usualluy and current (not older) cheap cnc routers tend to use those
[05:27:12] <_abc_> Wolf__: your link is good but it shows a machine with a serial looking link to the pendant which clearly has a controller cpu in the black box.
[05:27:13] <Wolf__> that one I linked sounds more like it
[05:27:23] <_abc_> Wolf__: see above.
[05:27:27] <_abc_> Different variant.
[05:27:33] <XXCoder> thats why earlier when I misunderstood you, I suggested you to get MESA and rip those out. :) sorry
[05:27:49] <_abc_> XXCoder: so do you have a link to a "Martin" description/data on it?
[05:28:09] <XXCoder> sure a sec though nothing directly related to your question
[05:28:24] <Wolf__> marlin would be a arduino based thing kinda like GBRL controller
[05:28:25] <XXCoder> http://marlinfw.org
[05:28:34] <pink_vampire> trick for align non critical stuff on a waste board: jog to the edge of the material you want to locate, drill hole, jog only the X or Y axis, drill one ore hole, use those holes as a guide for cup screws, now the cap screws act as a straight path that is dead on the axis you jog.
[05:28:36] <_abc_> Oh MARLIN. Ok, no that is not it.
[05:28:50] <_abc_> pink_vampire: old.
[05:29:08] <XXCoder> ohh dragon is docking now
[05:29:16] <_abc_> pink_vampire: one also needs location in the other axis, one more hole.
[05:29:22] <_abc_> pink_vampire: triangle
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[05:30:00] <pink_vampire> yeah' i love it for foam pvc stuff
[05:30:23] <Wolf__> anyways, if there are actual stepper drivers in the box for the router you could break them out w/ a parallel bob and run it with linux cnc
[05:30:33] <_abc_> So, no data on the "standard" old style parallel cables used on these things? No info in the #linuxcnc hive mind? These mini engravers were the entry point for a lot of people into cnc.
[05:30:56] <XXCoder> most people here isnt hobbist cnc machinists
[05:31:05] <_abc_> Wolf__: I want to reverse the cable, the driver box contains a control board with optical separation and then servo drives, psu's, spindle VFD, cooling etc.
[05:31:16] <XXCoder> im at odd place of being both proffesional machinist and hobbyist lol im crazy.
[05:31:34] <_abc_> Wolf__: I assume the cable is pretty close to Centronics with some mods. I'm trying to find a pinout or someone who did this possibly here before.
[05:31:58] <Wolf__> usually these sorta things have no standards lol
[05:32:54] <_abc_> search for "aliexpress pendant offline motion control" brings up several links
[05:34:32] <_abc_> https://www.aliexpress.com okay this is very close. Note the funny connector on the pendant.
[05:34:42] <_abc_> It's a MDX or such I forget what it is called
[05:34:56] <Wolf__> servo drive throws a whole new aspect of not simple parallel port in to the mix as well
[05:35:00] <pink_vampire> why do need a pendant for such a tiny machine??
[05:35:13] <_abc_> They're stepper servos Wolf__ dir and step input with enable, standard ones.
[05:35:32] <_abc_> pink_vampire: it came that way and it is used offline for simple engraving jobs so does not clog up a pc
[05:35:36] <Wolf__> then its not servo drive =D
[05:35:48] <_abc_> I just used the wrong words :)
[05:36:16] <_abc_> That link of mine shows a non optically sepaarted board imo. The one used in the real machine is separated.
[05:36:42] <XXCoder> ah thats printer port man old kind
[05:37:00] <_abc_> Dude. Look at the connector. Not printer port, perhaps centronics compatible, I assume.
[05:37:18] <XXCoder> on pendant itself yeah its old kind of printer connector
[05:37:22] <Wolf__> anyways then, if trying to take over control of the thing with linux cnc driving it, cheap parallel break out would be faster than trying to reverse engineer the thing
[05:37:23] <XXCoder> not parallel port
[05:38:04] <pink_vampire> _abc_: linux cnc need a computer, what hardware do you have?
[05:38:12] <_abc_> XXCoder: it's the same connector on pendant and board. Enlarge picture.
[05:38:30] <_abc_> pink_vampire: that side is sorted, we have already running linuxnc pcs
[05:38:35] <XXCoder> looking now. lets see of i can find it. its quite old, dating from 80s to early 90s. parallel port replaced it
[05:38:46] <XXCoder> befre 80s also I think
[05:38:50] <jthornton> pink_vampire: did you see the probing tab?
[05:38:52] <_abc_> It's not quite old it's in the Centronics standard.
[05:39:09] <XXCoder> https://p.globalsources.com
[05:39:27] <_abc_> nope
[05:39:51] <XXCoder> directly googled the name. yeah some differences
[05:40:02] <pink_vampire> jthornton: did you post another one?
[05:40:11] <XXCoder> https://showmecables-static.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com
[05:40:25] <Wolf__> if its like the ali link, just pull the blue board (or equivalent) out and put in a https://www.aliexpress.com
[05:40:40] <XXCoder> link fail
[05:40:43] <Wolf__> feed linux cnc and run it
[05:40:45] <jthornton> https://imagebin.ca
[05:41:01] <_abc_> https://www.cablestogo.com see micro centronics 36
[05:41:06] <_abc_> Except this one is 50 I think
[05:41:13] <pink_vampire> I saw that - this is look AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:41:28] <_abc_> Wolf__: the mill box will not be modified, it has to be on the cables side
[05:42:01] <jthornton> pink_vampire: the pyvcp https://paste.ubuntu.com
[05:42:35] <_abc_> MDR connector is what that thing is called
[05:42:38] <XXCoder> _abc_: unfortunately seems not enough here tried that thing out
[05:42:46] <_abc_> ok
[05:42:47] <XXCoder> so you may well have to reverse enhineer it
[05:42:52] <_abc_> I had to ask heh. Yes I will.
[05:44:12] <XXCoder> i want pendant for my home cnc router lol
[05:44:25] <XXCoder> but probably not anytime soon, as no room to setup my machine :(
[05:45:52] <pink_vampire> jthornton: i need to finish some parts, and be done with the servo spindle' and then i will change stuff in the linux cnc interface
[05:46:22] <jthornton> ok, if you need help holler
[05:46:27] <Wolf__> I would just re wire the mill control box to make it a quick swap between the original control board or a parallel bob if it was me instead of wasting time messing with reverse engineering some odd proprietary thing
[05:48:01] <XXCoder> for anyone watching dragon dock, they just said go on dock
[05:48:16] <Wolf__> I still need to buy a extra pendant and send it to jthornton lol
[05:48:20] <_abc_> I would simply rewire a new cable to mate with a parallel port equipped pc already running linuxcnc and make a config for it.
[05:48:23] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[05:48:34] <XXCoder> Wolf__: buy extra for me? ;)
[05:48:37] <pink_vampire> they need some gcode
[05:48:45] <_abc_> XXCoder: did they send an inflatable lady in that Ripley suit...
[05:49:06] <XXCoder> lol nh saw launch, it was full dummy looked heavy
[05:49:22] <XXCoder> had hook on head for moving around and dressing
[05:49:28] <XXCoder> removed for helmet
[05:49:55] <_abc_> Ahh. Only the best silicone and ballistic gel for our lonely men up there.
[05:50:02] <XXCoder> lol
[05:50:11] <Wolf__> XXCoder: only if you’re going to fix code in linux cnc for it =P
[05:50:29] <XXCoder> lol bleh my programming skill have seriously rusted.
[05:50:55] <Wolf__> I have no programming skills =/
[05:51:03] <XXCoder> if I saw car in "similiar" rust state I'd call it irrecoverable lol
[05:51:06] <_abc_> <new issue>I hacked a bit at the Axis ui, some buttons (homing mostly) are buried in menus and I needed them up on the ui. It seems there are several people who mod the ui in various ways. Is there a place/forum where they congregate and share their mods perhaps?
[05:51:16] <XXCoder> getting close to complete dock!
[05:51:45] <Wolf__> _abc_: that you may find a answer to in here, just not from me lol
[05:52:24] <XXCoder> thres new qtpytgx whatever thats spelled, looks to be MUCH easier to use, and theres new tutorial on it
[05:52:29] <XXCoder> i have yet to try it out
[05:52:45] <_abc_> Wolf__: link heh? :)
[05:53:25] <XXCoder> docked! amazing
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[05:55:12] <_abc_> search for "linuxcnc forum wiki chinese mill parallel port" brings up several threads about 6040 (similar to what we have) mill conversions
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[05:57:20] <Wolf__> I don’t have any links for UI stuff, haven’t yet poked at that stuff
[05:58:51] <_abc_> Does anyone know a controller board for parallel port with MDR connector for the pc side on it? Has a link to @?
[06:01:59] <Wolf__> nap time for me, guess later today I’ll tackle the wiring on my cnc that I have been putting off so I can finally get it moving around and dialed in lol
[06:06:24] <jthornton> for axis just add a pyvcp panel
[06:06:44] <_abc_> Hm?
[06:07:01] <_abc_> I modded the axis ui left panel where the normal buttons are. It works fine.
[06:07:06] <jthornton> the documents has examples as well as the forum
[06:07:45] <_abc_> Yes, but I am interested in discussing mods, etc. Is there a specific place where congregation occurs?
[06:10:00] <jthornton> the forum
[06:13:51] <_abc_> https://www.pirate4x4.com interesting teleype application!
[06:14:38] <XXCoder> lol tty indeed
[06:14:54] <_abc_> Those old cnc's used paper tape, amazing.
[06:15:03] <XXCoder> my mom owned big tank-like ones 2 of em
[06:15:14] <XXCoder> sadly my grandfather threw em away as my mon moved away
[06:15:25] <_abc_> I have ham radio friends who still refurbish and use those monsters.
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[06:15:49] <_abc_> Sounds like there's a shooting war going on in the next room
[06:15:51] <XXCoder> i have much more modern one somewhere. 90s one, and unused since mid 2000s
[06:15:58] <XXCoder> lol
[06:16:26] <_abc_> Most people will use a computer for RTTY now but some few prefer the machine gun noise kind.
[06:16:49] <XXCoder> texting and videophone killed tty use
[06:17:01] <jthornton> but it would be easier to just build your perfect GUI than modding axis https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
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[06:17:21] <XXCoder> I need to try that tutorial out
[06:17:25] <Deejay> syy__, your nick is broken
[06:17:26] <_abc_> Still the Brdigeport's innards look mint in that link. Very clean build and clealry the air filters worked over the years, usually it's totally messy inside after 30 years of dust oil fog and swarf
[06:17:57] <syy__> hu?
[06:17:59] <syy__> haha
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[06:18:11] <XXCoder> jthornton: some of those restore videos is insane. way too much labor for tiny savings in money. https://www.youtube.com
[06:18:22] <XXCoder> enjoyable to watch in least lol
[06:18:31] <_abc_> jthornton: I just need a few more buttons moved (linked) from menus to the ui.
[06:18:48] <_abc_> XXCoder: I don't think they do it for money. It's love. OCD.
[06:18:55] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:19:18] <_abc_> jthornton: is there an intro to pyvcp api etc?
[06:19:46] <XXCoder> should be tutorial there
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[06:20:00] <_abc_> I'll find it. Have other things on the menu for today.
[06:20:23] <jthornton> in the documents yes
[06:20:59] <XXCoder> man i cant get enough will to do anything. or i'd have finished writing vismach tutorial 100 years ago lol
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[06:25:16] <_abc_> What type of axis servos would a Brdigeport like the one in the link have? https://www.pirate4x4.com
[06:25:30] <_abc_> They look beefy, likely DC brushed? No?
[06:26:32] <_abc_> No, they are just steppers apparently.
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[06:30:56] <gloops> finally! old pc running, new linuxcnc iso installed on brand new drive, now upgraded to 2.8
[06:31:07] <gloops> just the config to set up
[06:32:00] <XXCoder> :)
[06:32:11] <gloops> *just* the config haha
[06:32:11] <XXCoder> sucks that your hd crashed and burned
[06:32:24] <XXCoder> so its irrecoverable?
[06:32:48] <gloops> ive not spent that much time with the old one tbh, it wont boot on any of 3 PCs so..
[06:32:58] <XXCoder> dont try to boot it
[06:33:02] <XXCoder> add it as second drive
[06:33:14] <gloops> its not being found if i do that
[06:33:25] <XXCoder> if its stuck you might get away with constantly tapping hd spindle as its spinning
[06:33:28] <XXCoder> oh thats dead
[06:33:40] <XXCoder> yiu might be able to send it off to experts but eh money
[06:34:19] <gloops> well, theres nothing on it really old some gcode and configs, it was never on the net, never did anything else but cnc
[06:34:32] <XXCoder> should make backups
[06:34:45] <gloops> i backed up hal and ini but thats all
[06:34:54] <XXCoder> that helps yeah
[06:35:00] <gloops> should have saved all the files
[06:35:34] <XXCoder> yeah though having configs helps since it could be hard to do
[06:35:39] <gloops> but anyway, i did it before so i should be able to get it running again
[06:37:54] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:43:26] <_abc_> Whence does this rule come: “Never use a power supply voltage greater than 32 times the square-root of the motor inductance expressed in milli-Henries (mH)” -- found in the wiki
[06:44:33] <jthornton> somebody wrote it...
[06:46:03] <_abc_> no kidding.
[06:46:08] <_abc_> Monkeys? :)
[06:46:28] <jthornton> you would have to look at the bottom of the page
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[06:46:53] <_abc_> I mean what about a cited source or the "rest" of this wisdom fountain.
[06:47:05] <fragalot> you are asking too much there
[06:47:15] <_abc_> Looks as arbitrary as anything, maybe result of several dozens of real life uses averaged?
[06:47:26] <_abc_> I am asking a legit question I think?
[06:48:29] <gloops> interesting that upgrading to 2.8 does update the existing 2.7 configs, i made a sample config before updating, it has been changed to 2.8 JOINT system
[06:49:52] <jthornton> yea when you run a configuration that has VERSION not equal to 1.1 the conversion script runs
[06:50:13] <_abc_> What if it is 1.1? No conversion?
[06:52:15] <jthornton> correct
[06:52:34] <_abc_> Does that mean that 1.1 settings are unchanged?
[06:52:39] <_abc_> In new versions?
[06:52:46] <jthornton> of course if you don't have the correct entries in the ini it won't run
[06:53:29] <_abc_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org this answers my MDI howto question from before. As an intro.
[06:54:08] <gloops> so, could have helped CNCBrian the other day, to upgrade, synaptic-other sources, check wheezy master-rt, add apt get line , return, mark linuxcnc to upgrade - apply
[06:54:12] <gloops> youre on 2.8
[06:55:45] <_abc_> 2.7.14 on wheezy iso is systemd-less?
[06:56:32] <gloops> im not a linux expert lol
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[06:58:35] <_abc_> What's the current install/download size for custom install linuxcnc-uspace ?
[07:00:58] <rmu> _abc_: this rule is from gecko drive FAQ
[07:01:17] <_abc_> rmu: thanks. So is it gecko drive specific?
[07:01:36] <rmu> not really
[07:02:41] <rmu> but AFAIK it is a heuristic coming from microstepping and the mechanical resolution achievable with typical hybrid stepper motors (about 2000 positions or 10 microsteps)
[07:02:55] <rmu> but read yourself
[07:03:10] <XXCoder> jthornton: did I show you this link? https://www.aliexpress.com
[07:03:22] <XXCoder> really funny
[07:03:51] <jthornton> yea saw that the other day, need to get a dozen of those C clamps
[07:04:01] <XXCoder> lol
[07:04:23] <XXCoder> likely as precise as c clamps also
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[07:11:01] <whitequark> question, i have an FPGA board (of my own design) that's ideally suited for running the realtime parts of motor control
[07:11:15] <whitequark> is there some nice way to get linuxcnc to give me something like a servo command stream? just use it for motion planning
[07:11:39] <whitequark> i found http://wiki.linuxcnc.org but it's ... sparse
[07:21:21] <rmu> whitequark: what kind of commands do you need?
[07:22:15] <rmu> whitequark: usually linuxcnc has one or two realtime threads that periodically execute functions from hal modules
[07:22:52] <whitequark> rmu: i'm thinking about starting with a fairly naive design, the usual three axis stepper gantry with no servo feedback
[07:23:24] <rmu> whitequark: so you would need position updates from the motion planner with e.g. 1kHz
[07:24:03] <whitequark> i would be fine with no realtime control at all, ie the motion planner giving me an infinite stream of "go here at this step rate at this monotonic timestamp"
[07:24:06] <whitequark> but that works as well
[07:24:13] <rmu> you would have to write a hal component that exposes whatever inputs you need as hal pins and talks to your hardware on the other side
[07:24:14] <whitequark> i can implement anything as long as linuxcnc can emit it
[07:24:49] <whitequark> removing all realtime control from the host system has the added benefit of using a completely stock kernel and bulk USB requests
[07:25:50] <rmu> i don't think that complete offline motion planning is possible at the moment, my experiments with jerk-less velocity profiles exposed some strange things the motion planner needs "just in time"
[07:25:54] <whitequark> this probably sounds very wrong to you but i've experimented extensively and with sufficient understanding of the USB stack i can do reliable realtime control over completely ordinary USB 2 bulk requests, not even isochronous. of course the safety features have to live inside the FPGA, but that's the easier way as well.
[07:25:59] <whitequark> hmm
[07:27:13] <jthornton> anyone know the url for the latest for some reason not released live dvd?
[07:27:43] <_abc_> Latest? 2.8 ?
[07:28:10] <jthornton> debian 9 I think
[07:28:50] * Loetmichel just sends a coworker to burgerking, procuring lunch... MAAAN can there be ONE project finish in time please? i am pretty fed up with saturday and sunday work. :-(
[07:28:52] <_abc_> debian 9 is systemd
[07:29:04] <rmu> i don't have anything against USB, to me it looks like it could work just fine (SDRs, TV receivers and usb soundcards are a thing and those are latency-sensitive), it's just that nobody has done it yet ;)
[07:29:13] <_abc_> Loetmichel: you're working? I hope they pay overtime?
[07:29:32] <rmu> whitequark: are you whitequark from solvespace?
[07:30:02] <whitequark> rmu: yes
[07:30:07] <_abc_> white quark is such a common quantum physics concept. Now, pink quark... :)
[07:30:09] <whitequark> there's only one whitequark i know of :P
[07:30:16] <XXCoder> you making solvespace?
[07:30:20] <whitequark> i mean, there are no white quarks
[07:30:24] <Loetmichel> _abc_: nope. Double offdays... on top of those 26 days i still have from last year...
[07:30:25] <whitequark> QCD prohibits them
[07:30:27] <whitequark> that's the joke
[07:30:31] <whitequark> XXCoder: i maintain it
[07:30:37] <XXCoder> cool
[07:30:54] <_abc_> Loetmichel: so you will never cash in on them. Can't be away for more than a month. Stop accepting that "payment" right now.
[07:31:13] <rmu> "real" particles are white IIRC (whatever that means)
[07:31:21] <whitequark> right, but not individual quarks
[07:31:30] <whitequark> white just means no color charge
[07:31:32] <_abc_> means "colorless"
[07:31:41] <Tom_L> 15�, Hi 18, Lo 6
[07:32:20] <Loetmichel> actually thats more like two moonths... and its not including the 8 days i have earned this year already OR the 25 paid holidays i am gtting this year...
[07:32:24] <rmu> yeah, they have something that is called "color" that works somewhat analogous to typical human color sight
[07:33:12] <Tom_L> busy morning
[07:33:16] <XXCoder> dragon they are about to open hatch!
[07:33:24] <whitequark> tbh the color analogy doesn't work all that well
[07:33:36] <whitequark> i mean it does make a cute nickname
[07:33:45] <XXCoder> up down strange heh
[07:33:50] <XXCoder> top and bottom too
[07:33:51] <Tom_L> XXCoder link?
[07:33:56] <whitequark> rmu: anyway re usb: have you seen my project Glasgow?
[07:34:03] <rmu> whitequark: have a look at the trajectory planner, it has a function that is called with 1kHz, generates position/velocity updates and calculates trajectory segments when the queue is about to run out
[07:34:06] <XXCoder> https://www.nasa.gov here you go
[07:34:16] <_abc_> Anyway whitequark so the new solvespace is windows only?
[07:34:31] <whitequark> rmu: any pointers? I'm not familiar with linuxcnc's codebase at all
[07:34:39] <whitequark> _abc_: of course not, it supports linux and macos as well
[07:34:41] <XXCoder> last I read some ubuntu port was in works but it was couple years ago lol is it still windows only?
[07:34:45] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[07:34:51] <whitequark> it's supported linux and macos for years
[07:34:58] <whitequark> there are no .debs because.. ugh
[07:34:59] <rmu> whitequark: Glasgow: no, just looking at it
[07:35:05] <_abc_> whitequark: no problem.
[07:35:06] <whitequark> try maintaining debs and you'll see why there are no debs
[07:35:19] <_abc_> whitequark: license is?? Could not find one on the site easily
[07:35:27] <whitequark> _abc_: GPL3, it's in the README
[07:35:32] <_abc_> ok, thanks
[07:35:48] <whitequark> strictly speaking, dual licensed as GPL3/commercial with proceeds going towards further development
[07:36:57] <rmu> whitequark: probably start here https://github.com + headers, and look at the youtube videos by rob ellsberg explaining the "new" trajectory planner
[07:39:26] <Tom_L> gloops did you find the auto config conversion tool?
[07:39:46] <rmu> whitequark: https://github.com and https://github.com translate the segments of the trajectory planner into a stream of positions/velocities
[07:40:50] <rmu> https://github.com is the entry point that is called periodically
[07:42:26] <jthornton> Tom_L: do you remember the url for the latest dvd?
[07:42:29] <rmu> hmm. i hope i didn't mix things up. didn't have a look at that stuff recently
[07:42:39] <jthornton> it's not in linuxcnc.org/dists/
[07:43:06] <rmu> whitequark: #linuxcnc-devel could be more appropriate
[07:44:54] <Tom_L> JT-Shop for stretch?
[07:45:11] <Tom_L> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[07:45:18] <jthornton> yea that one
[07:45:59] <Tom_L> i was wrong about the pm yesterday, much further away!
[07:46:13] <jthornton> good thing lol
[07:46:49] <Tom_L> looks like ~4" maybe
[07:46:54] <Tom_L> 3-4
[07:47:09] <jthornton> we just have a dusting of snow so far
[07:47:22] <Tom_L> 15�, Hi 18, Lo 6
[07:48:02] <rmu> whitequark: https://github.com is the entry point sorry
[07:49:41] <whitequark> hmm
[07:51:54] <_abc_> reading: https://en.industryarena.com
[07:52:09] <_abc_> What is this planet-cnc ? a mach3 like thing? Just the driver controller?
[07:53:22] <gloops> Tom_L i have seen that, but dont think it will help much for gantry
[07:54:07] <gloops> im hoping i can run a sample config, then swap my old hal and ini files - dont think that will work but im trying it
[07:54:44] <Tom_L> i may try updating mine to 2.8
[07:55:09] <Tom_L> is the config alot different?
[07:56:45] <gloops> hmm it uses a different layout for each axis, seperate JOINT specified under each axis, not much different other than that
[07:57:08] <whitequark> rmu: so tp updates emcmotStatus, right?
[07:57:11] <gloops> so you can add more joints (motors) on the same axis
[07:57:15] <whitequark> and then that somehow gets propagated through hal
[07:57:22] <Tom_L> that should help you
[07:57:51] <gloops> thats what i ad the machine running on - computer died yesterday though lol, so just setting it up again
[07:58:29] <whitequark> rmu: or is it just calculating tp->currentPos and the lower level determines all it needs from that?
[07:59:22] <whitequark> oh wait, i think i understand it now
[07:59:42] <_abc_> Is BlenderCAM still currently supported?
[07:59:47] <_abc_> http://blendercam.blogspot.com
[08:00:01] <gloops> they were still working on it last year it
[08:00:15] <_abc_> Anyone here using it?
[08:00:19] <gloops> if you can find the master online, seen when it was last changed
[08:00:35] <gloops> nah, ive installed it and had a look but never did much with it
[08:00:37] <_abc_> git spelunking
[08:00:43] <_abc_> Ok thanks gloops
[08:01:29] <gloops> i am close to making my first face with blender though (skull) haha
[08:01:43] <XXCoder> everyone does skulls :P
[08:01:46] <XXCoder> be creative
[08:02:00] <_abc_> Not p*****s?
[08:02:08] <gloops> i set out to do a horses head but decided on something a bit simpler
[08:02:11] <_abc_> This explains the low kid count of geeks/nerds?
[08:02:27] <_abc_> We're headed at full speed towards an idiotocracy, globally.
[08:02:30] <XXCoder> skullf* :P
[08:02:35] <XXCoder> not really
[08:02:39] <gloops> no not one of those
[08:03:26] <gloops> https://www.billelis.com
[08:03:30] <gloops> copying one of those
[08:03:47] <XXCoder> boring
[08:04:03] <gloops> they would look good on top of a funeral urn!
[08:06:58] <gloops> _abc_ are you struggling for CAM software or something?
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[08:07:32] <_abc_> no, just reading up on links on a Sunday.
[08:07:44] <_abc_> Re: skulls: here's something more artsy to copy https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:07:45] <gloops> ah ok
[08:08:09] <_abc_> The golden sculpture is not what you think it is. That is part of the joke.
[08:08:24] <XXCoder> gloops: whats better? your own skull lol
[08:08:26] <gloops> not sure that would go with 'RIP Dad'
[08:08:26] <XXCoder> using cat scan
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[08:09:11] <gloops> i could do my own face - if ever i get a month off with nothing else to do
[08:10:25] <_abc_> https://www.artsy.net much better picture
[08:14:11] <gloops> that still looks just like what i thought it was
[08:14:18] <gloops> (scorpions tail)
[08:20:03] <_abc_> Nope, it's a stylized woman's head and her legs/breasts (both of these things) and also obviously suggests what it is not.
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[08:25:04] <pink_vampire> I love pvc foam
[08:30:41] <gloops> ok..got the old config to load..just to see if it actually moves the machine, take pc back in garage and connect up
[08:31:00] <gloops> but now pretty knackered been at this since 6 this morning lol
[08:31:10] <gloops> ive just got to know!
[08:39:08] * gloops thinks of changing out of pyjamas
[08:47:56] <fragalot> don't.
[09:11:36] <gloops> wtf, from running fine here to plugging in the garage - debian wont load, exit error 4
[09:14:33] <pink_vampire> file system problem
[09:16:53] <pink_vampire> did you run fsck?
[09:17:23] <pink_vampire> this is en exit code from fsck "4 Filesystem errors left uncorrected"
[09:17:38] <gloops> going to try fsck/dev/sda1
[09:18:13] <gloops> yeah i remember i had this before once, XXcoder fixed it quick
[09:18:28] <gloops> but how can that happen in the space of 5 minutes lol
[09:18:32] <pink_vampire> hope it is a good idea
[09:18:40] <pink_vampire> backup files first
[09:29:56] <gloops> ok thats now fine thanks, just 12v supply to connect, im having a coffee first
[09:35:03] <pink_vampire> did you backup the stuff?
[09:35:32] <gloops> well, the only stuff worth backing up - the cnc config is already on a usb
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[09:36:18] <gloops> i found you can just copy paste files from one config into an newly made one, need to change halfile names in ini thats all - to the new config name
[09:36:39] <gloops> so at least i dont have to build a new config whatever happens
[09:38:28] <gloops> ill see if this works on the old pc shortly, but i dont trust it noe so will get a better one anyone and set it up ready
[09:38:38] <gloops> sht
[09:38:48] <gloops> lol - get a better one anyhow
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[09:39:53] <pink_vampire> gloops: sound that you have some progress
[09:41:05] <gloops> yeah, got the computer working, installed linuxcnc, updated to 2.8, copied machine config to it, just going to see if it runs machine again in 5 minutes
[09:41:51] <gloops> (old hard drive was dead - this is a brand new drive)
[09:44:11] <pink_vampire> I also finish all the parts that support the HUGE cam switch
[09:45:10] <gloops> the CAM switch pink_vampire? are you changing the way you do it or is this a physical switch?
[09:47:47] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[09:52:10] <pink_vampire> gloops: ^
[09:56:41] <gloops> ahh nice
[09:57:07] <gloops> my machine moves again anyway, so thats me done for today, thanks for the input
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[12:00:48] <_unreal_> FINALLY MY #$^#$% dip buttons showed up
[12:01:02] <_unreal_> now I can get this front panel setup done and move on with life
[12:07:26] <renesis> what are dip buttons
[12:07:54] <renesis> https://www.zazzle.com
[12:08:00] <renesis> this what google thinks
[12:09:22] <pink_vampire> ???????
[12:09:25] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: ?
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[13:20:33] <_unreal_> https://www.amazon.com
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[13:50:31] <gloops> today i learned that any computer problem can be cured by removing the cpu and ram, and replacing it
[13:51:01] <gloops> i wonder how many millions of computers have gone in the bin, that could have been saved by doing that
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[14:05:55] <fragalot> gloops: quite a few.
[14:06:08] <fragalot> it's a common problem
[14:06:24] <gloops> but what is the actual problem?
[14:06:44] <gloops> taking something out and putting it back is like - not doing anything
[14:07:16] <fragalot> bad connection
[14:07:30] <fragalot> some dust getting in between the contacts, some micro-corrosion, etc
[14:08:07] <gloops> must be yes, bit like a bad earth on a car
[14:08:43] <fragalot> exactly like that
[14:12:07] <Tom_L> gloops, i resoldered the connectors on a P100 and am still using it :)
[14:13:37] <fragalot> and that is indeed another very common failure
[14:13:43] <gloops> well i had a dead dell, took the chip out, put it back and its alive again lol
[14:13:46] <fragalot> especially with the early lead-free shite
[14:14:33] <gloops> i also learned you can paste the files from one linuxcnc config into a new one, so long as you rename the hal files in the INI
[14:15:24] <gloops> only thing is i pasted the files from an early saved config from my machine, not a recent one, so wondered why it was accelerating like sht
[14:16:18] <gloops> (hal references in the INI)
[14:17:14] <Tom_L> that's a problem with having too many backups too, you don't know which is which
[14:17:42] * Tom_L waits for the github sermon
[14:17:42] <gloops> right, i should have sorted by date first, but when youre eager to get the thing working...
[14:18:08] <fragalot> Tom_L: the trick is to put finished zip files onto the git repo, with zero commits in between
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[14:56:49] <Jymmm> Anyone know what PSRAM is ?
[14:57:41] <Tom_L> google does
[14:57:55] <Jymmm> not really
[14:58:07] <Tom_L> https://www.jedec.org
[14:58:52] <Tom_L> internal refresh
[14:58:57] <Jymmm> That really doens't tell me what it is in layman's terms
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[14:59:27] <pcw_home> used to be a thing: looked like a static RAM pinout wise, used DRAM inside
[15:00:34] <Jymmm> pcw_home: What would be it's purpose today (in a uC) ?
[15:00:50] <pcw_home> on chip?
[15:00:58] <Tom_L> a museum piece
[15:01:07] <Jymmm> pcw_home: On a dev board
[15:01:38] <Jymmm> 16MB Flash + 4MB PSRAM
[15:02:11] <pcw_home> usually just a lower cost pinout compatible SRAM replacement
[15:03:13] <Jymmm> Ok, I guess they are just expending the (internal?) 520KB SRAM then
[15:03:20] <Jymmm> expanding*
[15:05:30] <whitequark> is there any way to get *all* of linuxcnc's tk applications to run some tcl command at startup?
[15:05:40] <whitequark> i have a hidpi display and something's screwy with its scaling autodetection
[15:06:07] <whitequark> i imagine retina laptops are not very popular cnc controllers, but still
[15:10:29] <Jymmm> whitequark: Are you dual booting OSX and lcnc?
[15:11:01] <whitequark> it's not a macbook, it's a dell xps13 with a similar high density display
[15:11:04] <whitequark> and i just use debian
[15:11:09] <gloops> thats a brave effort https://www.ebay.co.uk
[15:11:27] <whitequark> i *do* dual boot osx but i do it in a vm so that doesn't count :P
[15:11:51] <rmu> in theory tk apps should work regardless of DPI if done properly
[15:12:11] <whitequark> so it used to be that tk apps wouldn't scale, and everything would be tiny
[15:12:23] <whitequark> they fixed that. now they apply the scale factor *twice*
[15:12:27] <whitequark> and everything's unbearably huge
[15:12:49] <whitequark> but running `tk scaling 2.0` does exactly what i expect
[15:13:26] <whitequark> this wouldn't be too bad if there was one tcl/tk entrypoint instead of ... dozens?
[15:13:43] <whitequark> i checked with strace and it doesn't look like there's any rc file they read, but i might be missing something
[15:15:07] <rmu> i have Xft.dpi: 140 in xresources
[15:15:58] <Loetmichel> re at home after 10 hours of work... MAAN thats infuriating... still not all PCs done for delivery tomorrow. Thanks to the coworker that did 30% of the DVI cables with wire swaps or ripped off pins. And of course said coworker WASNT working yesterday or today. :-(
[15:16:17] <whitequark> rmu: oh
[15:16:19] <whitequark> that helped!
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[15:19:50] <whitequark> ah I see, tk doesn't know how to get the scale factor from the environment
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[17:00:27] <Deejay> gn8
[17:01:01] <Jymmm> Deejay: gn9
[17:01:14] <Deejay> :)
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[20:30:47] <norias> hello
[20:31:09] <Tom_L> evening
[20:31:30] <XXCoder> evening
[20:32:21] <norias> reading up on cnc design
[20:32:35] <norias> just read about SERCOS
[20:32:42] <norias> (well, reading that part now)
[21:30:20] <_unreal_> sup
[21:31:16] <norias> reading
[21:31:17] <norias> you?
[21:31:40] <XXCoder> reafing
[21:31:43] <XXCoder> reading
[21:36:54] <_unreal_> soldering
[21:42:08] <XXCoder> so many ings
[22:01:14] <norias> I got a book about theory and design of cnc controllers
[22:01:19] <norias> interesting stuff
[22:02:14] <XXCoder> what is title?
[22:02:34] <norias> Theory and Design of CNC Systems
[22:02:58] <norias> I have another more generic control book
[22:03:00] <XXCoder> by suk-hwan suh?
[22:03:05] <norias> Automatic Control Systems
[22:03:06] <norias> yeah
[22:03:14] <Connor> I know own a 6x12 surface grinder. :)
[22:03:35] <norias> Connor: congrats!
[22:03:45] <Connor> Need to clean it up a bit.
[22:04:07] <norias> Be careful what you put to the left of it
[22:04:24] <norias> What are you going to make with it?
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[22:04:59] <Connor> I've been doing research trying to find the age of it. It's a Walker, which was purchased by Harig at some point.. I just don't know whem.
[22:05:15] <Connor> norias: No clue yet. :) Just wanted one to expand abilities.
[22:05:33] <norias> right on
[22:05:50] <norias> You can do some fun stuff with them, if you try.
[22:06:27] <Connor> It's got a electromagnetic chuck too. Vs a On/Off lever style.
[22:06:40] <Wolf__> fancy
[22:07:14] <norias> eh.
[22:07:20] <norias> I'm indifferent on that part.
[22:07:23] <Wolf__> some day I hope I have enough shop space to set my grinder up https://i.imgur.com
[22:07:42] <norias> I ran a Parker Majestic for a while
[22:07:45] <norias> really nice machines
[22:07:55] <Wolf__> and then figure out how much work I’m going to need to put in to it to make flat parts
[22:09:22] <norias> I interviewed RJ Newbould once
[22:09:35] <norias> he invented the Newbould Indexer
[22:09:40] <norias> neat device
[22:13:05] <Connor> Need to figure out how to add coolant to it.. It's tray has a nice lip, but, I didn't see a drain.. and I don't like the idea of the hose moving back and forth with the table.. How are they normally done ?
[22:13:28] <Wolf__> most have a gutter
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[22:14:30] <Connor> and the drain moves over the gutter?
[22:14:45] <Wolf__> mine has the same problem, drain hole at the back corner of the table so need to fight the x/y movement
[22:16:18] <norias> you know
[22:16:23] <norias> i never paid attention to that
[22:16:34] <norias> the manual ones i used didn't have coolant
[22:16:40] <norias> and the automatics...
[22:16:48] <norias> i just never really paid much attention to
[22:16:58] <norias> just toss parts on, set limits, and run away
[22:17:24] <Wolf__> mine came from a edm/die shop so it probably got ran dry doing graphite
[22:17:51] <norias> I've really only done hardened tool steel and tungsten carbide
[22:18:11] <norias> removing at most .002" stock
[22:18:15] <norias> at least on the manuals
[22:18:37] <Connor> I've never used one.. so, no clue except for what I've watching on video.
[22:18:41] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com just little dirty
[22:20:50] <Wolf__> I cant help, haven’t used one yet either lol
[22:21:39] <norias> it's kinda simple, really
[22:22:01] <norias> the hard part is all the accessories, etc
[22:22:03] <Wolf__> put part on, move back and forth
[22:22:16] <norias> feed down
[22:22:17] <norias> slowly
[22:22:22] <norias> don't forget to dress the wheel
[22:22:31] <norias> there's tricks
[22:22:55] <Wolf__> accessories like https://i.imgur.com ? https://i.imgur.com =D
[22:24:03] <Connor> Damn that's nice.. I didn't get much.. just a diamond dresser and some wheels.
[22:24:05] <norias> yeah, some of those will be useful
[22:24:25] <norias> i don't see any sine plates
[22:24:26] <Connor> I need to pickup some of those vises and some transfer parallels etc..
[22:24:36] <Connor> I do have a 5c spindexer though.
[22:24:39] <Wolf__> sine plates got bid up too far
[22:24:43] <norias> when i learned
[22:24:50] <norias> we started with making our own parallels
[22:25:02] <norias> +/- .00005" tolerance
[22:25:14] <norias> on all surfaces
[22:25:17] <Wolf__> I bailed out at $390/ea for lot of 3 mag sine =(
[22:25:26] <norias> oh snap
[22:25:34] <norias> $390 is not a bad price
[22:25:46] <norias> but you need the blocks to go with it
[22:25:54] <norias> and know how to wring them, etc
[22:26:07] <Wolf__> no it wasn’t, but I didn’t have the budget for $1k just for the sine
[22:26:18] <norias> fair
[22:26:34] <Wolf__> only spent $1500 at the auction
[22:26:57] <Connor> $600.00 for mine.
[22:27:02] <Wolf__> $450 for the grinder, $15 for wall of grinder wheels
[22:27:48] <Connor> I wanted a smaller one for the space it's going in..
[22:29:54] <Wolf__> I think mine is good for small shop use https://i.imgur.com
[22:32:09] <Wolf__> my mag chuck needs a tuneup tho, need to redo the handle and add a bushing for it
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[23:01:48] <_unreal_> ya rough day today in south florida jigsy https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com
[23:06:59] <CaptHindsight> those monsters grow to incredible size
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[23:11:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[23:13:04] <XXCoder> funny how fire starts from inside driver area
[23:13:11] <XXCoder> not from bottom by fuel
[23:16:37] <MarcelineVQ> and how it shrinks into a tiny model
[23:17:26] <XXCoder> yeah lol
[23:18:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://i.imgur.com
[23:43:20] <CaptHindsight> https://3dprint.com
[23:44:25] <Jymmm> IS there any 3d printing that uses other than PMMA ?
[23:45:36] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org(methyl_methacrylate)
[23:46:13] <CaptHindsight> all that I can think of
[23:46:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: OTHER than pmma, like pvc, hdpe, pu, pe, etc
[23:46:50] <CaptHindsight> who told you that any only use PMMA?
[23:47:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: you did of course (that's all I see used)
[23:48:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I haven't dine or even looked at 3d printing in any serious as the results are far from a "polished" product imo
[23:48:37] <CaptHindsight> sounds like some imposer mislead you
[23:48:59] <CaptHindsight> you poser
[23:49:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I looked once I wasn't impressed, and that was a commercial product.
[23:49:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Feel free to prove me wrong on sub $1000 units
[23:50:06] <CaptHindsight> not sure what you are asking
[23:50:22] <CaptHindsight> what printers use PMMA?
[23:50:29] <CaptHindsight> what/which
[23:51:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: then what do they use?
[23:55:02] <whitequark> i don't think you can 3d print pmma
[23:55:49] <CaptHindsight> depends on the form
[23:56:36] <CaptHindsight> neat PMMA vs contains PMMA
[23:56:39] <whitequark> huh, there *is* pmma filament after all, would not have expected that
[23:57:02] <CaptHindsight> thermoplastic versions
[23:57:23] <CaptHindsight> thermosets are cast
[23:57:35] <whitequark> right, i assumed the filament would be too prone for shattering
[23:57:41] <whitequark> but looks like it works well enough to sell commercially
[23:58:10] <whitequark> Jymmm: anyway, the usual plastics used in consumer 3d printing are pla and abs
[23:58:11] <CaptHindsight> depends on the copolymer/s
[23:58:58] <whitequark> and yes, sub $1000 3d printers will never and cannot possibly match the $10k+ injection molds, it would be quite absurd to expect otherwise
[23:59:18] <XXCoder> theres cheaop injection system actually
[23:59:23] <XXCoder> but you need mill to make molds