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[00:01:45] <Jymmm> Fine, will just route some melted milk jugs then =)
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[00:02:25] <XXCoder> Jymmm: lol I planned that, i melted few milk jugs worth
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[00:02:31] <XXCoder> but it didnt end reallt well
[00:02:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder: why's that?
[00:02:58] <XXCoder> i couldnt get it to be flat enough
[00:03:19] <XXCoder> couldnt get it hot enough was concerned about ruining oven lol
[00:03:40] <Jymmm> Ah, yeah. you need good temp control and kitchen over aint it
[00:03:48] <Jymmm> oven*
[00:04:27] <Jymmm> Hey, that's an idea... I have some 2K F probes
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[00:04:52] <Jymmm> not for hdpe , flue temp logging
[00:05:01] <XXCoder> you could convert a oven into pid controlled one
[00:05:08] <XXCoder> for other uses besides food
[00:05:20] <XXCoder> and maube food also, might be better with fine control
[00:05:35] <XXCoder> more so if you could move probe around lol
[00:05:44] <Jymmm> I'm actually thinking air
[00:06:29] <Jymmm> Radiant heat doens't work too well
[00:06:35] <XXCoder> induction eh
[00:07:03] <Jymmm> Literally a modified hot air gun with temp control
[00:07:40] <XXCoder> that'd work I guess
[00:08:21] <Jymmm> And a nice insulated oven to stablize the temperature
[00:09:04] <Jymmm> I should be good to 2000F, not that I'll need that high
[00:09:07] <Wolf__> air fryer
[00:09:27] <Jymmm> Wolf__: Kinda yeah, but bigger and more useful
[00:09:29] <XXCoder> could add some fire wool
[00:09:46] <Jymmm> no need and fire wool is expensive
[00:10:47] <Jymmm> I've molten salt (1400F) with one inch of insulation and exterior temp was 140F
[00:12:40] <XXCoder> interesting so not really nesscary just careful with placements
[00:12:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: perlite baby, perlite damn good high temp insulator
[00:13:17] <XXCoder> interesting just googled it
[00:13:35] <Jymmm> XXCoder: any garden supply store too
[00:13:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: good for around 2400F
[00:14:02] <Jymmm> fireproof
[00:14:11] <XXCoder> i watched video about starlite. it might have been discovered
[00:14:13] <Jymmm> non casongenic
[00:14:15] <XXCoder> *re
[00:14:42] <XXCoder> but it also might have exposed why he never let it out of his control and allowed others to test it alone
[00:14:53] <XXCoder> it would rot
[00:15:04] <Jymmm> what would rot?
[00:15:30] <XXCoder> starlite
[00:15:49] <XXCoder> in least something with similiar properies would. unknown what real one was really like.
[00:16:42] <Jymmm> Never heard of it before. I did a lot of research about perlite as a high tempinsulator, then tested it using molten salt, I was impressed
[00:17:08] <XXCoder> not surpised it was while ago. guy was super secretive and died before he told anyone
[00:17:14] <XXCoder> not even his family knew
[00:17:19] <Jymmm> heh
[00:17:40] <XXCoder> but rediscovery well it looked same, and it acted same as starlite example videos did
[00:17:49] <XXCoder> but not nessicarily same
[00:22:25] <XXCoder> anyway ya theres bunch of interesting materials lol
[00:22:44] <XXCoder> saw picture of torch burning bottom and ice on top and not melting
[00:23:00] <XXCoder> or more properly, melting like its in room temperate
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[00:31:23] <Jymmm> Well, perlite works for most things I need
[00:31:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:31:49] <XXCoder> match price properies to needs :)
[00:32:08] <Jymmm> Though, I still would like to find a better binder than mortar, but not there yet
[00:33:11] <XXCoder> http://s3.crackedcdn.com lol
[00:34:17] <veek> Jymmm, how much do you pay for perlite
[00:34:33] <veek> heh
[00:34:52] <veek> first thing i did when I started gardening
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[00:35:00] <Jymmm> veek: $13 for 4 cubic feet
[00:35:35] <veek> Jymmm, how much is that by weight
[00:35:46] <Jymmm> veek: no clue
[00:35:50] <XXCoder> 20 tons
[00:35:53] <XXCoder> kidding
[00:36:20] <veek> hmm 10kg apparently
[00:37:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: you use propane?
[00:37:17] <XXCoder> for?
[00:37:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: anything?
[00:37:37] <XXCoder> oh bbq thats about it i think
[00:37:58] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Oh, not torches, generator, heaters, etc?
[00:38:09] <XXCoder> nah
[00:38:18] <XXCoder> though maybe if shop is built and i need heat
[00:38:30] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Ah, then you won't appreciate what I've done =)
[00:38:46] <XXCoder> lol
[00:39:08] <Jymmm> XXCoder: a quick connect to the 250gal tank https://i.imgur.com
[00:39:32] <XXCoder> ya saw it
[00:39:46] <XXCoder> i guess its quick way to change to other stuff that needs prop
[00:40:04] <Wolf__> flame thrower
[00:40:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's a acme fitting on the left (just like a 5gal bbq tank), and a quick connecot on the right that will be plumbed into the rest of the pipe later on
[00:40:44] <XXCoder> shop wide hose system?
[00:41:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Oh gosh no, just a temporary setup, mostly for the generator and emergency heater
[00:42:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: But that ACME fitting you just can't find/get locally
[00:43:18] <Wolf__> odd, little plumbing shop has them in my town
[00:43:20] <XXCoder> so made a quick adoptor. not bad
[00:43:30] <Wolf__> so does tractor supply
[00:43:46] <Jymmm> Wolf__: Link to tractor supply page?
[00:44:57] <Wolf__> idk, about link, I just picked up stuff in store to make 2 4’ hoses to hook 100lb tanks up to a camping trailer auto changeover reg
[00:45:24] <Jymmm> Wolf__: "Not carried in stores" https://www.tractorsupply.com
[00:45:53] <Wolf__> I picked up something else to make the hoses
[00:46:26] <Wolf__> inline gauge or something of the sort
[00:46:52] <Wolf__> I dont quite remember because I did it 6-7 yrs ago
[00:47:00] <Jymmm> Wolf__: Most folks never use MALE Acme fittings, just female (big plastic knob/nut)
[00:49:22] <Jymmm> Wolf__: no worries, it's all good.
[00:49:59] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I do wish I could figure out some kind of handle/grip for the acme side though
[00:50:19] <XXCoder> got a 3d printer?
[00:50:28] <Jymmm> nope
[00:50:54] <Wolf__> channel locks
[00:51:04] <XXCoder> hmm some handle attached to it by zipties or ribbon clamps heh
[00:51:25] <Jymmm> I might just heat up some pvc pipe, slip it on then instantly cool it
[00:52:07] <Jymmm> Wolf__: less ghatto than channel locks would be preferred =)
[00:52:15] <Wolf__> lol
[00:52:17] <Jymmm> ghetto*
[00:52:23] <Wolf__> ...
[00:52:35] <Wolf__> thats what I use on mine
[00:52:51] <Jymmm> I'll eventually run black pipe then won't have to worry about it
[00:53:11] <Jymmm> Wolf__: the the plastic knob?
[00:53:46] <Wolf__> https://www.tractorsupply.com I used one of these to make one of my extension hoses
[00:54:05] <Wolf__> they use to have them in store lol
[00:56:06] <Jymmm> Wolf__: I don't get it. what the thing on the top?
[00:56:30] <Wolf__> little bottle type connector
[00:56:43] <Jymmm> 1lb tank connector?
[00:56:48] <Wolf__> yeah
[00:57:13] <Jymmm> Ok, so why would you want to use a 1lb tank on a trailer?
[00:57:14] <Wolf__> figured why not, seeing that I have 1lb type hose for my camping gear
[00:57:32] <Jymmm> OH, it's so you can connect to 1lb devices?
[00:57:37] <Wolf__> and it was all they had in store to make a hose up lol
[00:58:00] <Wolf__> yup, so you can run smaller cooktop or lantern
[00:58:14] <Jymmm> gotcha, I just refill my one lb bottles
[00:58:41] <Wolf__> I just run everything off 20-100lb tanks lol
[00:59:43] <Jymmm> I have a 12ft hose that connects to 5gal bbq tanks and the other end is like POL (disposable bottles)
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[01:01:01] <Jymmm> I use it for my propane heaters and hand torch too, works great
[01:01:45] <Wolf__> https://www.amazon.com these for camping, just screw the POL type lantern head to the top and cook top off hose
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[01:02:07] <Wolf__> not that exact one but ya get the idea
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[01:02:55] <Jymmm> Yeah, IF you have the hose(s), whcich most don't , at least not that length
[01:03:34] <Wolf__> use to camp often so have POL extension hose
[01:04:08] <Jymmm> My lantern/stove are both dual fuel (coleman/gasoline)
[01:05:22] <Wolf__> mine are ww2 or koren war era dual fuel lol, but usually would have at least one propane for ease of use
[01:06:40] <Jymmm> I have one lb tanks, but mostly as backup for the heaters and hand torch
[01:07:46] <Jymmm> Wolf__: This works GREAT btw https://www.harborfreight.com
[01:07:48] <Wolf__> actually, this set exactly https://www.ima-usa.com
[01:09:51] <Jymmm> Wolf__: Mine https://www.amazon.com
[01:10:52] <Jymmm> and this https://www.amazon.com
[01:10:58] <Jymmm> BUT....
[01:11:14] <Jymmm> If you want a damn cool little propane/butane stove, let me know
[01:11:40] <Wolf__> I have a couple of those type stoves as well
[01:11:57] <XXCoder> jynmm have one of latter heh 2 actually one is quite old from dad's
[01:12:21] <Wolf__> quite fun when you first fire them up lol
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[01:13:21] <Jymmm> https://www.amazon.com
[01:13:33] <Jymmm> Damn cool lil stove
[01:13:37] <XXCoder> Wolf__: the little plunger is fun heh
[01:13:56] <Wolf__> my favorite https://classiccampstoves.com
[01:14:45] <Wolf__> great for freaking everyone out when you fire it up b/c it vaporizes the fuel off the burner plate
[01:14:56] <Jymmm> lmao
[01:15:04] <XXCoder> lol
[01:15:24] <Wolf__> first min or so looks like its out of control on fire
[01:15:32] <Jymmm> I'll stick with my alcohol burner for that stuff =)
[01:16:24] <Jymmm> I love that lil thing, have made coffee at 3am in the middle of a parking lot many many times
[01:16:35] <Jymmm> in the rain in the back of hte SUV
[01:16:57] <Jymmm> and soup for the national guard too
[01:17:52] <Wolf__> nice
[01:19:03] <Jymmm> Wolf__: https://www.aliexpress.com
[01:19:17] <Jymmm> I use denatured alcohol
[01:19:25] <Connor> Looking for good recommendation for bandsaw blade.. 93" x 3/4" for Aluminum bar and round, mild steel bar and round, also square and round thin walled.. Trying to figure out the best TPI for such a blade.. Non-production..
[01:19:44] <Wolf__> starret
[01:19:55] <Connor> just prototyping, for use in a community workshop where most people won't know what blade to use for what..
[01:20:12] <SpeedEvil> Thin walled stuff you generally want quite a lot of teeth, bar, few, so it's somewhat of a compromise
[01:20:17] <Connor> for use in a 7x12 drop saw
[01:20:42] <Jymmm> Wolf__: this one has a pot stand too... https://www.aliexpress.com
[01:20:55] <Connor> You can cut bar with more teeth, just slower.. right?
[01:21:32] <Connor> I was hoping to find a variable pitch 14-18 tooth 3/4" wide.. so far, no luck.
[01:21:35] <Jymmm> Wolf__: or to save space... https://www.aliexpress.com
[01:22:45] <Wolf__> Lenox Classic Tuff Tooth Vari-Raker Band Saw Blade, Bimetal, Regular Tooth, Raker Set, Positive Rake, 101" Length, 3/4" Width, 0.035" Thick, 10-14 TPI is one of what I use
[01:23:28] <Connor> I need 93" :) 10-14 seams a bit too aggressive for thin stuff
[01:24:07] <Wolf__> we feed our shop saw lots of random stuff, 1/4 wall tube, 3/4 x 2 bar stock, 3/16 wall tube stock
[01:24:22] <Connor> https://www.northerntool.com ?
[01:24:50] <Connor> Need to keep the dumb a$$es from trying to cut stainless on the thing..
[01:26:19] <Wolf__> http://www.starrett.com
[01:27:21] <Wolf__> have one of the intenss pro bimetal 6-10 on the shelf for same saw
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[01:34:28] <Wolf__> I think 10-14 is the blade I got for thin stuff also =D
[01:35:26] <Connor> I'm not finding a 7'-9" x 3/4 10-14 iin the Intenss pro.. 6-10 is what they go up to.
[01:36:12] <Wolf__> https://www.amazon.com
[01:36:27] <Wolf__> but that is 1/2”
[01:36:27] <Connor> They have a 14 TPI no vairable in just the Intenss
[01:43:20] <Wolf__> might have to check lenox, I dont see anything like you said w/ high tpi count in 3/4"
[01:46:02] <pink_vampire> hi
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[01:48:36] <XXCoder> hey pink
[01:48:46] <XXCoder> watching this heh https://www.youtube.com
[01:51:01] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
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[03:22:12] <Deejay> moin
[03:22:35] <_unreal_> 3am here
[03:22:58] <_unreal_> was out cold on my bed woke up because I was working on the project and passed out
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[04:05:25] <XXCoder> good morning
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[04:29:10] <_abc_> Hello. A step factor to leadscrew moved table of 320 or 640 comes from whence? I assume 200 step hybrid steppers, that gives 3.2mm pitch leadscrew? Is that correct?
[04:31:04] <sensille> _abc_: it also depends on your configured microstepping
[04:31:20] <_abc_> True. But no microspetting is fractional, right?
[04:31:24] <_abc_> *stepping
[04:31:45] <_abc_> Do they even make leadscrews with 3.2mm pitch? Not 3.15xx inch based?
[04:32:16] <_abc_> 640/200 = 3.2
[04:32:37] <_abc_> Looking at leadscrews of existing machines this is close, but do they really?!
[04:34:09] <sensille> they normally have 5mm lead
[04:34:18] <sensille> at least the ballscrews
[04:34:41] <sensille> leadscrews i know with 1.5, 2, 4 and 8mm as the most common
[04:35:43] <sensille> so 5mm lead, 200 steps/rev, 1/8th microstepping is 320 steps/mm
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[05:12:13] <jthornton> morning
[05:12:24] <XXCoder> hey
[05:12:29] <XXCoder> check this out jthornton https://www.youtube.com
[05:15:30] <jthornton> a lot of the letters seem to be very similar
[05:16:02] <XXCoder> u and v looks similiar when 3d model like that but easily differable by hand
[05:16:19] <XXCoder> plus detection isnt best thats why guy keep trying, expecially T
[05:16:23] <jthornton> yea I kinda thought the view angle was not the best
[05:16:35] <XXCoder> its from viewpoint iof signer
[05:16:47] <XXCoder> detection equipment is on other side
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[06:05:06] <Tom_L> morning
[06:05:33] <Tom_L> 7�F, Hi 25, Lo 11
[06:11:15] <Loetmichel> *gnah* original intel 1u cooling solution... metal mounting spider... so much burr on it that it that it shorted two ram lines under one screw... board: "*beeep*...*beeep*...*beeep*..." and i said to the coworker:"put some fibre washers under the mounting spider!" *repairing 3 mil pcb traces* :-(
[06:19:02] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: jeez lol
[06:31:43] <pink_vampire> I need to make few acryilic parts
[06:31:54] <XXCoder> for what?
[06:32:00] <XXCoder> arylic soemtimes crack and break
[06:32:04] <XXCoder> bit annoying
[06:32:48] <pink_vampire> my fish tank got larger filter, and the lamp leg is in the way
[06:35:25] <pink_vampire> i think i can just edit the one i did before
[06:35:32] <XXCoder> nice
[06:35:52] <pink_vampire> did you saw it?
[06:36:00] <XXCoder> nah
[06:36:10] <XXCoder> or maybe its been long while ago so cant recall
[06:36:20] <XXCoder> dont recall seeing you talk about fish tank so doubtful
[06:38:25] <pink_vampire> i took some pics for you
[06:39:00] <XXCoder> thanks :)
[06:39:22] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[06:39:40] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[06:40:18] <XXCoder> ya its definitely on way
[06:40:53] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to make one leg very wide
[06:41:07] <XXCoder> how about just bent into tank?
[06:41:22] <XXCoder> matching curve of tank
[06:41:46] <pink_vampire> ugly
[06:42:02] <XXCoder> not quite as artistic yah
[06:52:19] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: ouch... i would be careful with acrylic there. if that ages and breaks you have instant Bouillabaisse
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[08:59:43] <SpeedEvil> Cut down the horizontal, and fit lights to inner part of tank?
[09:00:14] <pink_vampire> i just make new leg
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[11:08:45] <Jymmm> WIFI water leak alarm https://www.amazon.com
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[12:07:22] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: whats that for? to tell the insurance rep he can expect a claim in the near future?
[12:07:23] <Loetmichel> :_)
[12:13:24] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: To shut off the water before it damages the sub flooring and then you have a giant hole in the floor???
[12:14:27] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: isnt that a bit later if you have the water already on the floor?
[12:14:51] <fragalot> there is a difference between a few liters of water, and several hundred litres of water pouring around continuously
[12:14:56] * fragalot did not see the context
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[12:15:43] <SpeedEvil> Flow meter and shutoff valve would also be useful.
[12:16:26] <SpeedEvil> 'more than I have ever used in one day in one hour'
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[12:16:40] <fragalot> they make commercial pipe breach detectors
[12:16:48] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[12:18:30] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i would probably go for the "standard" mechanical waterstop valves
[12:18:35] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: your job is in danger. https://www.youtube.com
[12:19:13] <Loetmichel> and german houses are usually made from concrete and stone. not so much problems with a few cubic meters of water running down the stairs... unless you live in the cellar ;)
[12:19:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: and how do they tell is the HWH or washer drain hose is backedup/leaking?
[12:20:07] <fragalot> I can tell by the wet floor around the floor drain next to the washer
[12:20:52] <fragalot> but if the softener in the cellar would break.. well.. I would be able to tell by the water coming out of the air vent once it's fully filled up
[12:20:55] <fragalot> ._.
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[12:46:38] <roycroft> hey folks
[12:46:46] <roycroft> i have a question about motor torque
[12:47:22] <roycroft> if i have a 3450rpm 3 phase motor that i run at half speed using a vfd, how will the torque compare to a 3 phase 1725rpm motor running at rated speed?
[12:47:41] <roycroft> will i lose a lot of torque running the faster motor that slowly?
[12:50:36] <fragalot> if I recall correctly, up to rated speed the torque should be constant, but the horsepower is mostly linear
[12:50:55] <fragalot> until you go above rated speed, where horsepower is constant but torque decreases
[12:51:02] <roycroft> ok, thanks
[12:51:06] <roycroft> and that sounds familiar to me
[12:51:21] <roycroft> i.e. don't push a motor past its rated speed or torque will drop off rapidly
[12:51:34] <fragalot> unless you don't need the torque
[12:52:11] <roycroft> and, this being for a belt grinder, i probably don't
[12:52:16] <roycroft> horsepower is what really matters
[12:52:39] <Jymmm> It was my understanding that that torque is inversely proportioal to the speed of the output shaft -- http://lancet.mit.edu
[12:52:44] <roycroft> i don't plan on ever turning the grinder on under load
[12:53:00] <Jymmm> TORQUE/SPEED CURVES
[12:53:06] <Jymmm> ..of the motor.
[12:53:37] <fragalot> Jymmm: of DC motors
[12:54:20] <roycroft> my experience with 3 phase motors and vfds is that if i turn the frequency down too much the motor won't start
[12:54:29] <fragalot> yup
[12:54:35] <roycroft> but it has to be really low for that - like <10% of rated frequency
[12:55:08] <roycroft> and after it will start there's still a range where it where it's easy to stall the motor
[12:55:19] <roycroft> but iirc that's still at pretty slow speeds
[12:56:08] <Jymmm> fragalot: What, AC motors break the law of physics?
[12:56:15] <roycroft> i'm looking at running my grinder at up to 5000 sfm, but want to be able to slow it down to as little as 1000 sfm
[12:56:56] <roycroft> a 3450rpm motor with a 6" drive wheel runs at 5419 sfm
[12:56:59] <roycroft> so that's perfect
[12:57:03] <fragalot> Jymmm: no, but VFD's are at play, they do not output a constant DC voltage.
[12:57:14] <Jymmm> fragalot: ah, gotcha
[12:57:50] <roycroft> i'd have to run it at about 650rpm to get the low sfm speed that i want
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[12:58:17] <roycroft> which is ~19% of the rated speed
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[12:58:33] <roycroft> so that's getting down to where i might be concerned
[12:58:52] <fragalot> you could always go for a fancy dahlander (spelling?) motor with VFD :P
[12:59:19] <roycroft> i already have a 2hp motor for this project, but i'm looking to upgrade before i get started building it
[12:59:39] <roycroft> and the upgrade is not in the budget, so "fancy" is not a word that works for me here :)
[12:59:51] <fragalot> :D
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[13:00:21] <roycroft> i'm hoping to find a motor for <$200, and if i get a 3450rpm one i think that's doable
[13:01:19] <roycroft> i just made an offer on a baldor
[13:01:29] <roycroft> my preference is to get a decent, us-made motor
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[13:01:42] <fragalot> I thought you said fancy was not working for you
[13:01:54] <roycroft> that's not fancy
[13:02:23] <roycroft> fancy and crap are not two binary elements
[13:02:31] <fragalot> :D
[13:03:11] <gloops> 3hp seems an awful lot for a sander lol
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[13:03:17] <roycroft> it's not a sander
[13:03:20] <roycroft> it's a belt grinder
[13:03:20] <fragalot> it isn't a sander
[13:03:24] <roycroft> and it's not overkill at all
[13:03:26] <fragalot> belt grinders need oomph.
[13:03:33] <roycroft> the rule of thumb is 1hp per inch width of belt is the minimum
[13:03:38] <roycroft> this is a 2x72 grinder
[13:03:47] <roycroft> so 2hp is the minimum
[13:04:09] <roycroft> 5hp would not be out of line
[13:04:15] <roycroft> more than 5hp would start to get ridiculous
[13:04:23] <roycroft> 3hp i think is quite reasonable
[13:04:46] <roycroft> my current grinder is 1x48, with a 1/2hp motor
[13:05:04] <roycroft> and it's so wimpy it gets frustrating trying to use it for even light grinding
[13:05:55] <fragalot> my current one is 1x24" at 150W and is beyond frustrating to use
[13:05:59] <roycroft> but it's an old belsaw, with a cast iron table, so i'll probably be able to pay for the new motor and drive wheel when i sell it
[13:06:18] <roycroft> the belsaw sticker on it is worth at least $100 :)
[13:07:12] <roycroft> i don't want to ever be replacing/upgrading the new grinder, other than adding more contact wheels/platens and tables/jigs
[13:07:24] <roycroft> the basic unit i want to last the rest of my life
[13:08:20] <roycroft> hmm, the seller just made a counteroffer and did not even remotely meet me in the middle
[13:08:57] <roycroft> i'll counteroffer in the middle and see how it goes
[13:09:30] <roycroft> we're still well under my $200 limit though :)
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[13:10:33] <roycroft> another problem is that most 3 phase 3hp motors have a frame size that has a 1-1/8" shaft
[13:10:44] <roycroft> and i need 5/8" or 7/8" or else the drive wheel costs me a lot
[13:10:51] <roycroft> this one has a 7/8" shaft
[13:11:03] <roycroft> most single phase 3hp motors have a 5/8" shaft
[13:11:12] <fragalot> roycroft: build the same grinder that that guy on youtube is making
[13:11:15] <roycroft> but single phase motors are useless :)
[13:11:26] <roycroft> mine is based on jeremy schmidt's
[13:11:31] <roycroft> if that's the one you're talking about
[13:11:32] <fragalot> hang on
[13:11:39] <roycroft> it's very closely based on jeremy's
[13:11:43] <roycroft> i even bought his plans
[13:11:53] <roycroft> the work he did designing it is worth $20 easily
[13:11:53] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com
[13:11:58] <fragalot> THAT is a belt grinder
[13:12:09] <fragalot> jeremy's one is nice too though
[13:12:41] <roycroft> that's the motor i'm bidding on, btw :)
[13:13:10] <roycroft> and the seller agreed to my counteroffer
[13:13:12] <roycroft> so i'm good to go
[13:13:45] <fragalot> neat
[13:13:50] <roycroft> oh, he didn't - he wants to tack shipping on
[13:14:01] <fragalot> what you need now is a slab of 1 1/4" hardox for the frame
[13:14:09] <roycroft> which is going to put it higher than the original listing cost
[13:14:14] <fragalot> lmao
[13:14:16] <fragalot> sneaky
[13:14:18] <roycroft> yeah
[13:14:23] <roycroft> i did not accept
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[13:16:09] <roycroft> i like the flexibility of jeremey's grinder
[13:16:33] <fragalot> yeah it's a very decent design
[13:16:34] <roycroft> i especially like the way he can flip the drive train without flipping the table
[13:16:45] <roycroft> that's what makes his stand out from the other designs
[13:17:21] <roycroft> i need to be able to precisely grind bevels on woodworking tools as well as my general metalworking needs
[13:17:29] <roycroft> and robert sorby make a nice little grinder for that
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[13:18:18] <roycroft> https://www.robert-sorby.co.uk
[13:18:36] <roycroft> i'm sure i can make a platen with an indexable table to fit the schmidt design
[13:21:35] <fragalot> i've looked at that proedge a few times, but really couldn't justify it
[13:22:07] <roycroft> no, i can't justify the space nor the expense
[13:22:25] <roycroft> but if i can make a platen for the 2x72 that is essentially the proedge that would be brilliant
[13:23:14] <gloops> https://www.facebook.com Home built belt grinders
[13:24:14] <roycroft> thanks, but i don't do facebook
[13:24:57] <roycroft> https://www.youtube.com
[13:25:06] <gloops> some nice builds in there - roycroft you may as well, everyone else does
[13:25:06] <roycroft> that's essentially what i'll be building
[13:25:44] <roycroft> if everyone else jumps off a cliff into a vat of boiling oil, does that mean i "may as well"?
[13:27:12] <fragalot> depends on the oil's boiling point, and the ambient temperature / alternatives
[13:27:25] <gloops> id do it naked
[13:27:39] <fragalot> in the case of facebook however, the oil is also on fire, and the ambient temperature is 24°C with a humidity of 70%
[13:27:48] <roycroft> i suppose that in a vacuum the oil would not have to be very hot to boil
[13:28:03] <roycroft> the oil is also full of toxins that will kill one in an instant
[13:28:18] <roycroft> after stealing one's essential life forces
[13:28:51] <roycroft> but i'm not here to debate the relative merits and dangers of facebook
[13:28:51] <gloops> there are a lot of hobby-pro groups on facebook for hundreds of specific things, big source of knowledge and experience
[13:29:03] <roycroft> i'm just simply stating that i don't do facebook
[13:29:13] <roycroft> and that "everyone else is doing it" is not a valid argument
[13:29:28] <roycroft> i leave it to others to make their own facebook choices
[13:29:51] <gloops> i gudss my point is - everyone else isnt dead from using facebook, its your choice roycroft im not here to sell it
[13:30:07] <roycroft> not dead yet :)
[13:30:20] <roycroft> but seriously, i don't want to debate it
[13:30:26] <roycroft> please respect that i don't use it
[13:30:35] <roycroft> and i'll respect your choices regarding it
[13:31:12] <gloops> its not my business at all, pretty sure youd love the groups though lol
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[13:37:38] <gloops> the one thing ive never searched facebook for = linuxcnc lol
[13:37:45] <gloops> so here goes
[13:38:24] <gloops> yes its there - only 76 members though
[13:40:05] <roycroft> i do need to get this motor issue sorted out asap, though
[13:40:32] <roycroft> i'm ready to start the build, and the tilting assembly is the second part of fabrication
[13:40:42] <fragalot> put a crank on it
[13:40:57] <roycroft> my current motor is flange mount, and i would prefer a base mount motor
[13:41:10] <roycroft> so i have to get that part figured out before i can really get started
[13:42:22] <roycroft> i could build the base assembly while sorting out the motor issue, but the base assembly and the tilting assembly use mostly the same sizes of steel bar/plate, so it makes sense to buy all of that at the same time
[13:42:37] <roycroft> and i can't generate a bom until i know how i'm going to mount the motor
[13:43:04] <roycroft> oh well, i need to wait for the snow to finish melting before i can make a steel run anyway
[13:43:21] <roycroft> and at the rate that's going, it could be another week before all the snow is gone :(
[13:44:02] <fragalot> can you not design the motor & mount as a completely separate element
[13:44:06] <fragalot> & get on with the rest of the build
[13:45:05] <gloops> id probably be thinking of a big angle plate with one end close - drill the end for the motor flange
[13:48:56] <roycroft> it would be easier to align things if the motor mount is part of the tilting assembly receiving tube if i'm going to use the flange mount motor
[13:49:15] <roycroft> and that would mean using plate instead of flat bar for that side of the tube
[13:49:33] <roycroft> i've only been planning on making this for two years
[13:49:39] <roycroft> another week or two isn't going to be the end of the world
[13:50:00] <roycroft> my only concern is that i'll lose my motivation and get distracted with a different project in the meantime
[13:50:18] <roycroft> and then, in the middle of that project, curse the fact that i don't have a decent belt grinder
[13:50:22] <gloops> you could slot the bottom of the angle for adjustment, i dunno its all work and time, a bottom mounting motor off the shelf is better of course
[13:50:26] <roycroft> because i curse not having one almost every day
[13:51:00] <fragalot> roycroft: sounds familliar, lol
[13:51:19] <roycroft> i have a motor, vfd, and the drive wheel, idler wheel, and platen wheels
[13:51:29] <roycroft> i've had all that stuff sitting in a box for 2 years
[13:51:39] <fragalot> sounds like my cnc build
[13:51:56] <roycroft> my cnc build is almost complete as far as materials
[13:51:56] <fragalot> got everything sittin in boxes kicking my shins into the damn things daily
[13:52:06] <roycroft> i still need ball screws, but i have everything else
[13:52:12] <roycroft> i've had everything for over a year
[13:52:21] <fragalot> I have everything apart from the gantry crane I need to be able to lift the damn castings
[13:52:37] <fragalot> thus.. i'm now working on a gantry crane for my 3x6 shed
[13:52:47] <fragalot> overhead gantry crane*
[13:52:48] <roycroft> i'm tired of bouncing around from project to project, and have resolved to complete existing ones before starting on a bunch of new ones
[13:53:06] <roycroft> other than a couple new projects that are already in the works as far as design
[13:53:18] <djdelorie> roycroft: if you figure out that secret, please share :-)
[13:53:39] <roycroft> djdelorie: i should be happy to do so
[13:53:55] <roycroft> please, however, do not hold your breath awaiting my secret
[13:54:01] <roycroft> i'd hate to see you turn blue
[13:54:22] <djdelorie> I'll put "don't hold breath" on my long list of proj... oh crap
[13:54:35] <gloops> only thing ive got to do is swap nema 23s for 34s, all there ready but i wont be doing it anytime soon, not an essential upgrade
[13:54:49] <gloops> less building, more using
[13:55:26] <fragalot> the trick is to use it to build parts for itself
[13:55:34] <roycroft> i know in my mind that if i complete some of the current projects i'll save a lot of time on future projects
[13:55:38] <fragalot> 90% of things made in job shops is for internal use anyway
[13:55:39] <fragalot> :D
[13:56:00] <roycroft> this belt grinder is something i just never get around to, especially since i already have one
[13:56:01] <gloops> mine doesnt cut steel, and is made of steel, so it doesnt self upgrade
[13:56:20] <gloops> besides its structually un-improvable
[13:56:25] <roycroft> but a few weeks ago i came to the realization that i use urrent one on almost every project i do
[13:56:30] <roycroft> and it frustrates me constantly
[13:56:41] <roycroft> so building the new one will probably be the biggest win for me
[13:58:36] <roycroft> so what's the deal with these dual hp rated motors
[13:58:48] <roycroft> i'm looking at a baldor 5hp/3hp motor
[13:58:49] <gloops> i could jump up and down on this gantry while its cutting
[13:59:12] <roycroft> is it 5hp at 460vac and 3hp at 230vac?
[13:59:34] <roycroft> rpm rating is also 1725/1425rpm
[13:59:42] <roycroft> that's probably a line frequency thing
[14:00:02] <fragalot> it is
[14:00:15] <roycroft> but the hp rating should not be frequency-dependent
[14:00:22] <fragalot> usually it's 380V though (here)
[14:00:24] <roycroft> i'm finding 5hp motors cheaper than 3hp motors
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[14:00:53] <roycroft> 5hp motors usually have 1-1/8" shafts though
[14:00:59] <roycroft> that's a problem
[14:01:14] <fragalot> spin it up & push a file onto it :P
[14:01:54] <roycroft> i'd need to get someone to bore out my drive wheel and cut an new keyway
[14:02:03] <roycroft> which would probably cost as much as the drive wheel cost
[14:02:32] <roycroft> it could be an exercise in tight tolerance machining for me though
[14:03:03] <roycroft> the bore doesn't bother me much, but the keyway could be a bit tricky
[14:03:20] <roycroft> or an excuse to buy a broach set :)
[14:04:44] <roycroft> or i spend another $100 for a new drive wheel
[14:10:24] <fragalot> or $120 on a broach :p
[14:11:35] <roycroft> it's almost always better to spend the money on tooling
[14:11:48] <fragalot> yup
[14:13:15] <roycroft> a 5hp motor would require a new vfd as well
[14:13:21] <roycroft> so it's getting more expensive
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[14:13:39] <roycroft> but a 5hp grinder would be awesome
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[14:19:52] <roycroft> in a way i'm kind of unhappy that we have cheap vfds now
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[14:20:09] <roycroft> before huan yang and its ilk 3 phase motors were dirt cheap
[14:20:26] <roycroft> but now they've gone way up in price, since folks can use them on single phase service
[14:20:53] <gregcnc> motors are just expensive now
[14:21:35] <roycroft> well, 3 phase motors used to be a fraction of the price of single phase motors
[14:21:47] <roycroft> now they cost more, generally, than a same hp single phase motor
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[14:22:09] <gregcnc> used?
[14:22:16] <roycroft> yes
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[14:23:51] <CaptHindsight> why come they are higher now? Copper prices, Chinese import duties, demand, automation, greed, liability insurance, minimum wage increases, tort reform, welfare moms?
[14:24:02] <fragalot> all of the above
[14:24:17] <gregcnc> right it's as if new replacement cost didn't change
[14:24:23] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: and inflation
[14:24:59] <roycroft> a big part is demand, as i was just discussing
[14:25:04] <CaptHindsight> immigration
[14:25:14] <roycroft> home shop folks used to get 3 phase gear and swap the motor out for single phase
[14:25:18] <CaptHindsight> how did I forget that excuse?
[14:25:28] <roycroft> resulting in a greater supply and lower demand
[14:25:36] <roycroft> now they can just get a vfd and use the 3 phase motor
[14:25:46] <roycroft> at the very least that decreases supply
[14:26:02] <roycroft> and being able to do variable speed cheaply increases demand
[14:26:12] <gregcnc> OK sure
[14:26:12] <fragalot> i was not aware i could run that 10kW compressor on single phase
[14:26:23] <gregcnc> industry consumes far more
[14:26:51] <gregcnc> fragalot why not?
[14:27:04] <CaptHindsight> illegal downloads
[14:27:23] <CaptHindsight> you wouldn't download a 3 phase motor
[14:27:31] <gloops> 14 items have been posted, time to lay off ebay
[14:27:34] <CaptHindsight> sure would
[14:27:41] <gregcnc> capt frosty here this morning
[14:27:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah, will it ever be spring here?
[14:27:58] <fragalot> gregcnc: service issues :-) house has 3ph, so single phase max power is lower
[14:28:53] <gregcnc> if you have three phase what's the problem?
[14:29:03] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[14:29:03] <fragalot> i was not aware i could run that 10kW compressor on single phase
[14:29:03] <whitequark> vfds are so expensive though
[14:29:10] <fragalot> :-)
[14:29:34] <gloops> £40 for the newman 3hp
[14:29:44] <fragalot> I spent $1k on a 240V -> 380V transformer to run the new tools i've been getting
[14:29:50] <fragalot> and run the lathe on a VFD
[14:29:58] <gloops> that will still be running when we're all dead
[14:30:00] <fragalot> power sources are a mess
[14:30:39] <fragalot> whitequark: single phase VFD's above a certain power level are expensive
[14:30:40] <gregcnc> you're not 400/3 over there?
[14:30:52] <fragalot> gregcnc: in some areas, but not in my street
[14:30:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.eanpages.org carpets outside, need any more examples?
[14:31:28] <roycroft> a 5kw vfd with single phase input is about $225
[14:31:31] <gregcnc> they won't even let you walk on it....
[14:31:44] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[14:31:52] <gloops> giving 3phase away
[14:31:55] <roycroft> and that's for huan yang - not the cheap chinese clones of the huan yang :)
[14:32:03] <CaptHindsight> they refuse to take their shoes off
[14:32:56] <roycroft> https://www.surpluscenter.com
[14:33:04] <roycroft> that's actually a pretty decent deal
[14:33:19] <gregcnc> fragalot I have phase converter and 240/400V transformer
[14:33:26] <roycroft> oh, wait, it's 380vac
[14:33:29] <roycroft> not 208/230
[14:33:32] <roycroft> i can't use it
[14:33:37] <roycroft> dang
[14:33:50] <roycroft> always a catch
[14:34:44] <gregcnc> why is printing from the web still a nightmare in 2019?
[14:34:55] <fragalot> lol
[14:35:00] <fragalot> DRM.
[14:37:08] <CaptHindsight> https://www.surpluscenter.com
[14:37:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.surpluscenter.com
[14:39:38] <roycroft> 7.5hp is a bit much
[14:39:47] <roycroft> that's bordering on ridiculous
[14:40:10] <fragalot> do it. :p
[14:40:21] <roycroft> and about that 5hp model
[14:40:22] <roycroft> good price
[14:40:41] <roycroft> but baldor.com doesn't think that part number exists, so i can't find specs on it
[14:40:43] <CaptHindsight> Shpg. 103 lbs
[14:41:11] <roycroft> we had a server die last week during the snow storm/power outage
[14:41:24] <roycroft> i'm restoring backups of that server's vms to other hypervisors
[14:41:33] <roycroft> nd it's taking hours and hours at a time to copy a vm
[14:41:47] <roycroft> so i have plenty of time to shop for motors while that's happening :)
[14:44:43] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: I'm working on automating automation to make simple automation obsolete
[14:45:09] <fragalot> :D I expected nothing less from you
[14:45:30] <CaptHindsight> the term automation has been hijacked
[14:45:44] <CaptHindsight> i see it nearly everywhere now
[14:45:45] <roycroft> FAKE AUTOMATION!
[14:46:33] * roycroft engages in some alternative automation
[14:47:20] <fragalot> i used copy/paste the other day to automatically transfer bits from one end to somewhere else
[14:47:32] <CaptHindsight> https://news.sky.com
[14:47:36] <fragalot> rather that do that by hand
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[14:49:48] <gloops> its a bit rough being on the dole here these days
[14:50:02] <gloops> used to be a very easy life for millions
[14:50:40] <gloops> people on life support have been judged fit for work etc lol
[14:51:22] * roycroft , out of respect for the rest of the channel, refrains from commenting on the may regime at this time
[14:51:55] <gloops> im not making political views here btw, just an observation
[14:52:39] <fragalot> I want to get back to the old system of tenths
[14:52:50] <roycroft> i'm still zipping my lips on the subject :)
[14:52:59] <fragalot> I remember sitting in history class thinking "good lord people had to give up 10% yearly to the king? that's a LOT!"
[14:53:05] <fragalot> :D
[14:53:21] <roycroft> i thought you were going to say you want to go back to the old system of �/d
[14:54:03] <fragalot> the what now?
[14:54:05] <roycroft> keep in mind that in the olden days, when you would give your tithe to the king, you would get absolutely nothing in return
[14:54:13] <roycroft> pounds/shillings/pence
[14:54:20] <fragalot> hell no, I like the euro
[14:54:31] <fragalot> I travel far too much to go back to the old belgian franks
[14:54:36] <roycroft> and when the king wanted to go to war he would just kidnap you and force you to fight in his army
[14:54:51] <roycroft> and take the tithe from your wife and children while you're "serving" (getting killed)
[14:55:02] <gloops> you got protection roycroft
[14:55:28] <gloops> the king was your protector, which is a necessary service when you arent allowed to bear arms
[14:55:43] <CaptHindsight> https://techxplore.com
[14:55:48] <roycroft> except when the king did not protect you
[14:55:53] <fragalot> https://proxy.duckduckgo.com
[14:55:58] <gloops> https://www.thepeoplesnewsonline.co.uk
[14:56:29] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: so they made a printer?
[14:56:43] <roycroft> without getting into a political discussion, i think we can all agree that an absolute monarchy is never good for th eproletariat
[14:57:05] <fragalot> roycroft: none of the systems are good in their pure forms
[14:57:12] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: who knew they could make such a thing?
[14:57:14] <fragalot> everything needs a healthy balance
[14:57:21] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: manbearpig
[14:58:14] <CaptHindsight> how abouts a technocracy, one OS to rule them alls
[14:58:21] <gloops> theres a lot to be said for the old aristocracy, 0 growth economy, barring conquest, they maintained the land, which was the source of all produce and means of life
[14:58:54] <gloops> centuries rolled by and nothing changed, nobody got any richer or poorer
[14:59:15] <CaptHindsight> that could be automated
[14:59:24] <fragalot> lol
[15:00:13] <CaptHindsight> program in some variances and some could get a bit more or less here and there
[15:00:41] <CaptHindsight> a king with one arm that you pull....
[15:00:46] <fragalot> farming is mostly automated now anyway
[15:00:58] <CaptHindsight> wheels spin around and you get a reward in coins
[15:01:39] <roycroft> in the western world farming is mostly automated
[15:01:51] <roycroft> in the vast majority of the world it is still very labor-intensive
[15:01:56] <CaptHindsight> how about an entire economy based on online sport betting?
[15:02:17] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: that's the UK in a nutshell
[15:02:27] <gloops> thats Rotherham
[15:02:31] <roycroft> the economy in the us is essentially based on betting
[15:02:35] <roycroft> stock market though, not sport
[15:02:37] <CaptHindsight> you work the fields for 8-10 hours a day and then you bet on who wins the basketball game to see how much you get paid
[15:02:58] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: :D
[15:03:02] <CaptHindsight> the basketball game is automated
[15:03:03] <fragalot> https://www.teejet.com <-- easy
[15:03:33] <gloops> i think 90% of the shops are bookies, pawn shops, £1 shops and charity shops
[15:04:04] <fragalot> gloops: lies, you also have a greggs everywhere
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[15:07:54] <CaptHindsight> Putting a ship in a bottle https://www.youtube.com
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[15:08:31] <fragalot> folding it feels like cheating
[15:08:51] <gregcnc> I can die now
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[15:09:36] <gloops> making mesh models vertice by vertice is quite satisfying really, its the new knitting
[15:09:43] <CaptHindsight> does it work with all ships? I think not
[15:09:50] <fragalot> https://imgur.com
[15:09:57] <miss0r2> I think I, at best, could handle making shipwreck in a bottle
[15:10:11] <miss0r2> :]
[15:10:22] <fragalot> hehe
[15:10:28] <fragalot> how is that shipwreck of a siemens drive doing
[15:10:36] <miss0r2> All up and running
[15:10:38] <miss0r2> ;)
[15:10:53] <miss0r2> so there must've been a bad solder in there
[15:11:13] <fragalot> sweet
[15:11:23] <miss0r2> no matter how much monkey testing I did afterwards, I could not get it to fail
[15:11:45] <miss0r2> and its been running all weekend with incident
[15:12:10] <miss0r2> now I'm working on two camera trolleys that have to be shipped to congo on the 11th...
[15:12:26] <miss0r2> I got the order last friday... that is a pretty tight deadline
[15:12:28] <CaptHindsight> miss0r2: spent an hour soldering?
[15:12:32] <fragalot> miss0r2: xD
[15:12:36] <miss0r2> CaptHindsight: Indeed
[15:12:53] <fragalot> naturally the camera trolley came with clear instructions?
[15:13:06] <miss0r2> also, as is custom with that guy, he spends an hour or two of my time trying to figure out what he wants
[15:13:09] <miss0r2> no :D
[15:13:18] <fragalot> :D
[15:13:29] <fragalot> does he want another wooden 2x4 with a hinge?
[15:13:39] <miss0r2> same guy, but I scared him good last time :D
[15:13:49] <roycroft> cool
[15:13:59] <roycroft> i just got a us-made motor for $99, with $50 shipping
[15:14:04] <roycroft> that's brilliant
[15:14:18] <miss0r2> to complicate things further; the camera trolley needs to be ajustable from 300mm rail spacing to 600mm
[15:14:27] <miss0r2> and handle round pipe from 30mm up to 60mm
[15:14:39] <CaptHindsight> i find lotsa motors on craigslist
[15:14:42] <miss0r2> err; 640 rail spacing
[15:15:00] <miss0r2> plus be universal for 5 different camera mounting types
[15:15:00] <fragalot> miss0r2: as in 30 and 60mm, or 30->60 ?
[15:15:13] <miss0r2> the latter
[15:15:16] <fragalot> hur
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[15:15:39] <miss0r2> I just about got the design down now. Tomorrow I will start machining
[15:15:56] <miss0r2> its gonna have alot of dovetails :]
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[15:16:22] <miss0r2> and 14 wheels each
[15:16:34] <fragalot> sounds like it has to be able to actually carry something
[15:16:40] <miss0r2> man... I am realy on a tight deadline, the more I think about it
[15:16:47] <miss0r2> nah - maximum of 40kgs
[15:17:00] <gregcnc> lathework? https://www.instagram.com
[15:17:09] <miss0r2> but the high number of wheels helps make the movement more smooth, if the surface is less than perfect
[15:17:35] <roycroft> capthindsight: there are very few "industrial" motors on my local cl
[15:17:44] <roycroft> i've been scouring cl constantly
[15:17:48] <roycroft> from seattle to eureka
[15:18:00] <fragalot> miss0r2: so is this more than your standard dolly / track slider application then?
[15:18:07] <gloops> how about something with a motor on it? old compressor for example
[15:18:20] <gloops> compressor worthless - but might have good motor
[15:18:26] <miss0r2> fragalot: Yeah. The design is hush hush for now. they are going to patent it
[15:18:48] <roycroft> $150 is a pretty good deal for a new, us-made 3hp motor
[15:18:48] <fragalot> alrighty then, fun if they get to patent the thing you're designing :D
[15:18:56] <roycroft> that's including dispatch
[15:19:12] <miss0r2> fragalot: Yeah. I'm contracted to get 20% earnings off that ;)
[15:19:31] <miss0r2> so I gave them 100kr/hour discount (13.40 ish eur)
[15:19:48] <gregcnc> guy built a cnc plasma cutter into his truck https://www.instagram.com
[15:19:50] <roycroft> i still need a drive wheel for this
[15:19:53] <roycroft> but that's ok
[15:19:59] <miss0r2> if they don't get it and don't sell alot of them; meh.. if they do, great :)
[15:20:02] <fragalot> miss0r2: Good luck :-)
[15:20:04] <roycroft> i can start the build without the drive wheel, now that i know what the motor footprint is
[15:20:15] <fragalot> miss0r2: "do it for the exposure" :P
[15:20:32] <roycroft> the drive wheel i have has a 5/8" bore, and this motor has a 7/8" shaft
[15:20:41] <miss0r2> hehe.. those 100kr/hour does not make the world of difference to me. so, its a pretty low risk investment for me
[15:20:50] <roycroft> more importantly, the drive wheel i have is 5" in diameter, and i want a 6" wheel to get a bit more speed
[15:20:54] <miss0r2> so, I just thought; what the hell
[15:20:56] <fragalot> miss0r2: showoff. :D
[15:21:02] <miss0r2> lol.
[15:21:22] <miss0r2> My hourly wage is inflated alot compared to what I need. I had to do that to be taken seriously.
[15:21:34] <miss0r2> Strange how the world works sometimes
[15:21:58] <roycroft> you can set up a foundation with your surplus wages, miss0r2
[15:22:46] <miss0r2> In the beginning I was too cheap; so I did not come into consideration when people needed a repair guy. because "they wanted someone better". So, I upped my wage 100% and they were like "come on in"
[15:22:53] * roycroft would love to be a professional philanthropist, but never bothered to amass an obscene amount of money, so will likley not choose that as his next career path
[15:23:09] <miss0r2> lol
[15:23:44] <roycroft> there's much to be said for giving away money to do good things
[15:24:24] <miss0r2> yeah
[15:24:54] <miss0r2> Not to sound like a holy person or anything; But I enjoy what I do enough, that I don't need to get payed an insane amount
[15:25:10] <miss0r2> professional satisfaction is realy important
[15:25:24] <miss0r2> no, not that kind of satisfaction, you pervert. (fragalot)
[15:25:36] <fragalot> is there any other kind?
[15:25:49] <miss0r2> :]
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[15:27:34] <roycroft> i guess now i have to find something to do with this 2hp motor
[15:27:41] <roycroft> new project opportunity!
[15:27:48] <miss0r2> cnc lathe spindle!
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[15:27:53] <roycroft> actually
[15:28:01] <CaptHindsight> obsessive compulsive money collector
[15:28:05] <roycroft> i do want to replace the motor on my 12x36
[15:28:26] <roycroft> but a flange mount motor would be difficult to mount on that
[15:28:46] <roycroft> when i got the lathe my plan was to replace the motor with a 3-phase one and a vfd
[15:29:04] <roycroft> mine is a belt drive lathe, and i hate changing the belt configuration to change speds
[15:29:09] <roycroft> i'd rather turn a knob
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[15:29:32] <CaptHindsight> what is a person thinking if they ask you why an item is priced so high if an item is listed as some number and "or best offer"?
[15:29:32] <roycroft> 2hp would be the perfect size motor for that lathe, though
[15:30:11] <CaptHindsight> does the number intimidate them?
[15:30:17] <roycroft> a lot of sellers set a really high buy it now price because they don't have any clue what the item is actually worth
[15:30:30] <roycroft> and they add a "make offer" button to see what folks are willing to pay for it
[15:30:34] <roycroft> but then they decline every offer
[15:30:49] <roycroft> and sometimes, when the listing expires, they relist at a more reasonable price
[15:30:56] <CaptHindsight> sure
[15:31:03] <CaptHindsight> test market
[15:31:06] <roycroft> "make offer" is just a research tool
[15:31:23] <CaptHindsight> same with CL, you raise the price until you run out of offers
[15:32:05] <roycroft> i'm pretty good at knowing what stuff is worth
[15:32:46] <roycroft> when i put together bid packets for multi-million dollar fiber optic projects, my engineer's estimate is usually within 5% of the winning bid price
[15:33:10] <roycroft> estimating seems to be one of my strengths
[15:33:25] <CaptHindsight> i come across people that feel that >30% profit margin is immoral
[15:33:32] <CaptHindsight> maybe even 20%
[15:33:48] <roycroft> it all depends on what it is
[15:33:49] <Tom_L> yeah i think it should be 50 or more
[15:34:03] <roycroft> at a supermarket, 30% margin on food is obscene
[15:34:10] <roycroft> that's a 2-3% margin market
[15:34:23] <Tom_L> do those same ppl shop at thrift stores?
[15:35:02] <roycroft> when purchasing a bespoke piece of furniture, 50% margin is not unreasonable at all
[15:35:09] <Tom_L> what's the margin on fuel?
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[15:35:13] <CaptHindsight> is there some sort of church that teaches profit margins?
[15:35:29] <roycroft> tom_l: whatever the market can be coerced to bear at the moment
[15:35:31] <Tom_L> supply & demand
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[15:35:35] <roycroft> it is quite variable
[15:35:39] <syyl> i think thats church of satan, CaptHindsight
[15:35:41] <roycroft> no, it's not really supply and demand at all
[15:35:50] <syyl> they focus on personal development and success
[15:35:50] * miss0r2 pokes syyl photo time?!
[15:35:57] <roycroft> because oil companies create fake crises to jack the cost of fuel way up
[15:36:06] <roycroft> and rake in the profits
[15:36:11] <roycroft> they do it for as long as they can
[15:36:12] <Tom_L> we all caught onto that in the 70's
[15:36:20] <roycroft> until people start not using as much fuel
[15:36:28] <roycroft> then they drop it way down to get people addicted to it again
[15:36:37] <roycroft> lather, rinse, repeat
[15:36:38] <CaptHindsight> no, no, they just keep finding the missing oil later
[15:36:43] <CaptHindsight> it's like a TV remote
[15:37:36] <roycroft> whenever suv/pickup sales go down and tiny car sales go up, the price of gasoline drops significantly until gas-guzzler sales recoup
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[15:37:58] <syyl> because people need a 2ton pickup to get groceries
[15:37:59] <roycroft> petroleum is probably the second-most highly manipulated market we have
[15:38:06] <roycroft> next to pharmaceuticals
[15:38:12] <syyl> and printer ink
[15:38:13] <syyl> ;)
[15:38:23] <roycroft> yes, i forget about that one
[15:38:32] <miss0r2> syyl: don't forget; a two ton pickup with a tempered injection system, so the smoke is pitch black
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[15:38:36] <roycroft> because it's stupid to use inkjet for almost everything
[15:38:42] <gloops> there is always the bicycle
[15:38:46] <syyl> agreed, roycroft
[15:38:46] <syyl> :D
[15:38:48] <roycroft> i have a nice commercial copier that costs next to nothing to operate
[15:38:58] <CaptHindsight> it's the R&D costs
[15:39:06] <syyl> i have a cheapish HP laserprinter, it runs on power and hot air
[15:39:19] <CaptHindsight> inkjet like drugs take years of testing
[15:39:27] <syyl> the toner cardridge shows "low" since 500 pages or so
[15:39:29] <CaptHindsight> same for oil
[15:39:30] <miss0r2> I use inkjet.. because it is cheaper to buy a new printer, than buying new chartridges
[15:39:40] <roycroft> capthindsight: the va do a lot of research and drug development
[15:39:41] <miss0r2> (not even kidding)
[15:39:42] <CaptHindsight> you just can't drill anywhere and strike oil
[15:40:00] <roycroft> and they can put a new drug on the market for a tiny fraction of what the commercial pharmeceutical companies claim it costs them
[15:40:08] <miss0r2> CaptHindsight: Guided drilling; start in your backyard, and suck your neighbooring country dry :)
[15:40:20] <roycroft> i paid $2500 for the printer i have currently
[15:40:49] <roycroft> but it's a nice commercial model - it does color up to 12"x18", and, most importantly for me, has a high speed scanner
[15:41:01] <miss0r2> I payed $34 us for the printer I have right now. (printer/copyer/scanner).
[15:41:08] <roycroft> i've been trying to go paperless, and have scanned tens of thousands of documents with it
[15:41:19] <miss0r2> it comes with those "small" chartridges, but they last me a year in my small buisness
[15:41:22] <roycroft> i've had this one for 3-4 years now
[15:41:30] <roycroft> i've probably printed 2000 pages
[15:41:35] <roycroft> but scanned tens of thousands
[15:41:48] <roycroft> that's the primary reason i got it
[15:42:50] <roycroft> also, i used to have an 11x17 b&w printer - big hp model on a big cart, a texas instruments 12x18 color copier that used some very nice, but very expensive, wax-based toner, and an older color hp copier that did 8-1/2x14 with a duplexer
[15:42:52] <fragalot> I got a €60 2nd hand color laser printer
[15:42:54] <roycroft> so three big machines
[15:43:05] <fragalot> it.. just works.
[15:43:05] <roycroft> i got rid of all of them and use this one for everything
[15:43:56] <roycroft> https://www.ebay.com
[15:44:03] <roycroft> that's the model i am currently using
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[15:44:15] <miss0r2> I better catch some sleep - alot of machining tomorrow. See you around
[15:44:20] <roycroft> and the place where i work is a print shop as well as an isp, and they have all konica printers
[15:44:29] <roycroft> so i have access to tech support
[15:44:42] <roycroft> when i have a probem i just ask a technician when he's working on one of the office machines
[15:45:07] <roycroft> anyway, it is lunch time
[15:51:58] <CaptHindsight> I print lots on paper I buy at a store with an actual cashier and get driven there by a hired driver in clothing grow on organic farms and hand stitched by tradespeople of unknown genders
[15:54:04] <CaptHindsight> saving the money would be like freezing energy in a bottle and never used
[15:54:55] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: but do you use free range squid ink to print with?
[15:55:09] <fragalot> or are you more of a lapiz kinda guy
[15:55:54] <CaptHindsight> I make my own inks with my own hands from materials sourced from free range people
[15:56:17] <CaptHindsight> they are only bounded by their imaginations
[15:57:17] <fragalot> I prefer free range minecraft squid ink
[15:57:30] <fragalot> I have an automated farming setup for that
[15:57:41] <CaptHindsight> lapiz dancers
[15:57:43] <fragalot> downloads to the blockchain every hour
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[15:59:03] <CaptHindsight> just because people do something doesn't mean they aren't entitled to get paid for it
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[16:01:24] <fragalot> shocker
[16:02:06] <fragalot> but it could be corrected to "just because people do something doesn't mean they are entitled to get paid for it"
[16:03:05] <CaptHindsight> what if they were making a profit for years, doesn't that mean that they should continue to do so?
[16:03:47] <fragalot> they should. whether they can is a different story
[16:03:49] <fragalot> markets change
[16:04:22] <CaptHindsight> obviously they were not evil since they were blessed by profits
[16:05:57] <CaptHindsight> good over evil obviously :)
[16:06:11] <fragalot> good or evil has little to do with it
[16:06:20] <fragalot> being evil usually gives you much better short term profits
[16:06:30] <fragalot> long term if you're good at it
[16:06:56] <CaptHindsight> oh a you'll probably say that there is no angry invisible man in the sky behind all this
[16:07:07] <CaptHindsight> oh a
[16:07:20] <fragalot> the angry one is down below
[16:07:25] <fragalot> :P
[16:07:39] <CaptHindsight> makes sense
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[17:24:34] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:28:05] <andypugh> OK, so I have an NSK Mega-torque servo, a servo drive and an NSK “Handy Terminal”
[17:28:44] <andypugh> Like this
[17:28:45] <andypugh> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:29:00] <andypugh> (And feeling smug that I spent £175 for the full set)
[17:30:22] <DaViruz> that alpha-numeric keyboard seems strange
[17:30:37] <DaViruz> don't think i've ever seen that for a motor controller or similar
[17:32:37] <andypugh> Looks like commands like “M0” to turn off the motor
[17:33:15] <andypugh> I think it is actually an RS232 serial terminal
[17:38:11] <DaViruz> nice find regardless, i find it pretty hard to find servos and especially useful drives on ebay
[17:38:47] <DaViruz> a stand alone terminal like that might be useful in other circumstances, hm
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[17:45:39] <andypugh> Indeed
[17:47:57] <DaViruz> i wonder if it can be configured for different baud rates etc
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[18:39:42] <andypugh> Well, so far I don’t seem to be able to turn the drive on.
[18:40:00] <andypugh> it _might_ need 24V on the enable pin.
[18:40:30] <andypugh> (Seems odd to need an external 24V supply though)
[18:43:08] <andypugh> Though it seems pretty unambiguous… https://imagebin.ca
[18:45:45] <Tom_L> maybe once it's in service it's not required
[18:46:04] <Tom_L> or not..
[18:46:22] <andypugh> It says “always required”
[18:46:41] <Tom_L> i see that now
[18:46:55] <andypugh> I will try that tomorrow
[18:47:38] <Tom_L> almost tomorrow :)
[18:48:48] <andypugh> A $1000+ drive without an intenral +24V?
[18:51:46] <Tom_L> seems so
[18:55:18] <skunkworks> megatorque!!
[18:56:11] <skunkworks> DaViruz: used to be amc drives go for cheap on ebay.. Haven't looked lately
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[19:32:27] <_unreal_> sup....
[19:32:49] <_unreal_> well I got the LAST major thing I needed done to this shell I'm building for the computer side... and now I can start looking at software finally
[19:33:34] <_unreal_> I do need to re-design the power system a little bit but that is the least of my worries
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[19:37:21] <_unreal_> I'm uploading some new photos
[19:37:30] <_unreal_> got my remote SD card adapter mounted
[19:37:57] <_unreal_> Now I can have my SD card accessable from the outside easy even though its "plugged" into the SD card socket on the tinker board
[19:38:45] <_unreal_> got my remote SD card adapter mounted Now I can have my SD card accessable from the outside easy even though its "plugged" into the SD card socket on the tinker boardhttps://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com
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[19:40:20] <_unreal_> ?
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[21:20:38] * flyback bites MarcelineVQ
[21:20:42] <flyback> eh?-hole!
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[23:43:40] <CaptHindsight> flyback: GCY
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[23:44:05] <flyback> GCY?
[23:44:59] <CaptHindsight> Go C. Yourself :)
[23:45:30] <CaptHindsight> it's been years, how soon they forget
[23:46:05] <flyback> my brain is rotting out my ears
[23:46:17] <flyback> frankly if I get the recovery project done I will die happy
[23:46:25] <flyback> just eliminated 6 more hard drives tonight
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