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[04:02:59] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
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[04:31:17] <imrija> Hi, I'm seeking help with setting up my mesa 5i23 and linuxcnc machine. I would be grateful for any suggestions!
[04:31:36] <pink_vampire> i'm with lpt
[04:32:09] <imrija> I've already plugged my 5i23 to computer and connected my servo card and I/O board too. I connected one of my linear scales to ENC0 header on the servo board
[04:32:41] <imrija> I also ran the Pncconf tool and tried to configure the system with mostly defaults. I assigned the enc0 to Y axis encoder
[04:33:03] <imrija> but I can't seem to get any position reading in linuxcnc - am I missing something ?
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[04:34:23] <gloops> jthornton Tom_L pcw_home
[04:34:50] <Wolf__> jt will probably be on in the next hour or 2
[04:35:00] <Wolf__> little early for the other two
[04:35:23] * Wolf__ isnt sure why he is still up...
[04:35:35] <gloops> yeah the mesa people are around at various times, theyll be able help imrija, just a case of trying when theyre in here
[04:36:22] <imrija> Okay, I'll wait, thanks for information! I'm from Czech Republic, so sorry for my terrible english and weird timezone :P
[04:37:15] <Wolf__> english seems ok, I see worse from people in the USA
[04:37:44] <imrija> Thanks, I'll take that as an compliment
[04:37:51] <Wolf__> =)
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[05:43:53] <jthornton> morning
[05:43:58] <XXCoder> yo
[05:44:05] <Tom_L> morning
[05:48:06] <Tom_L> imrija someone can probably help you here soon
[05:48:30] * jthornton has never seen a 5i23
[05:50:05] <Tom_L> looks like pci with 40 pin headers
[05:50:14] <Tom_L> older card probably
[05:50:15] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: amazing witing pics.
[05:50:22] <XXCoder> as it person I love neat wiring
[05:50:39] <jthornton> looks like 50 pin headers like the rest of the mesa cards
[05:50:51] <Tom_L> well that's what i meant...
[05:51:42] <imrija> Good morning
[05:51:59] <imrija> The 5i23 is supposed to be pretty new PCI card with 3x 50 pin headers
[05:52:14] <jthornton> it must be flashable is has some svblabla.bit files
[05:52:57] <Tom_L> you will need to hook the scale up to pins that support it's function on the mesa card
[05:52:59] <jthornton> I wonder if it is just a 5i24 with vertical headers
[05:53:13] <Tom_L> probably something sneaky like that
[05:53:47] <imrija> Tom_L: I got an servo daughter card
[05:54:01] <imrija> 7i33
[05:54:08] <Tom_L> you need to get a pin list showing the pin functions
[05:54:11] <imrija> and the scale is connected to ENC0 header
[05:54:19] <Tom_L> dmesg i believe will get you that
[05:54:36] <jthornton> https://mesaus.com
[05:54:46] <jthornton> that's how to get a list of pins
[05:55:03] <Tom_L> or that
[05:55:09] <imrija> Thanks, didn't know that.
[05:55:29] <imrija> But do I need to flash the card or something? Or is this supposed to work out of the box ?
[05:55:32] <Tom_L> gotta go for a bit... sick animal here i'm dealing with
[05:55:43] <jthornton> ok take care
[05:56:00] <jthornton> imrija: do you know what firmware is flashed to the 5i23?
[05:56:32] <imrija> I have no idea, I've just selected something in Pncconfig tool, expecting it will be flashed to the card
[05:56:54] <imrija> But I guess it does not work like that
[05:57:06] <jthornton> I don't think pncconf can flash a card, the only one that can flash is my 7i96 config tool
[05:57:32] <imrija> So I need to pick a firmware and run mesaflash first ?
[05:57:36] <jthornton> you need mesaflash to read the card
[05:57:51] <jthornton> mesaflash --device 5i23 --readhmid
[05:57:59] <jthornton> that will read the current firmware
[05:58:23] <imrija> I'm unfortunately not near the machine now, so I can't run that. But I'll try it as soon as I'll get there.
[05:58:26] <jthornton> I'd hope who ever you purchased it from would have flashed it for you
[05:58:58] <imrija> It was sealed in antistatic bag directly from mesa systems
[05:59:45] <jthornton> they all are but at least I open them up and flash the correct firmware before shipping
[06:00:06] <jthornton> did you get it from eu surplus?
[06:00:21] <imrija> Nope, local reseller, but I think he did not do any of this.
[06:01:13] <jthornton> ok best to see what firmware is loaded on the card and maybe a little later pcw_home will be on here
[06:02:02] <imrija> Thanks, but I won't be able to get to the machine until like 16:00 UTC
[06:03:16] <jthornton> he is also on the forum so if there is a time difference the forum is the best place
[06:03:38] <jthornton> hmm the 5i23 looks like a shortened 5i20 to me
[06:04:14] <jthornton> but with a 400k gate fpga
[06:04:17] <jthornton> hmmm
[06:04:59] <imrija> I've also been told, that I don't need to flash this card manually (via commandline), by the reseller. But maybe he was wrong?
[06:06:16] <jthornton> he should know what he is selling, so if he told you that I'd guess you don't need to flash it
[06:06:29] <jthornton> you could always read the card and see what is on there
[06:07:56] <jthornton> lol I had to look up 16:00 UTC to see what the local time was and it's 11am
[06:08:28] <jthornton> hmm time for the chickens to wake up
[06:09:26] <imrija> I thought it would be easier to tell the time in UTC than Europe/Prague timezone :-D
[06:10:20] <jthornton> yep it's 5am so pretty early here still working on my first cup of coffee lol
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[06:12:35] <imrija> It's 11:00 here and I'm working on my second.
[06:14:54] <jthornton> just watching the chickens come out of the coop after the door opened and the lights came on... automagic chicken coop powered by Rasperry Pi 3
[06:15:48] <pink_vampire> i need to clean here
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[06:16:10] <jthornton> when your done come down here and help me clean my shop lol
[06:16:11] <pink_vampire> why this is take sooo much time?
[06:16:31] <pink_vampire> i just finished my panel today
[06:16:39] <jthornton> photo?
[06:16:45] <XXCoder> my shop need to exist first. mind helping me make it exist so I can start cleaning inside of it?
[06:16:47] <pink_vampire> and i cleaned the lathe
[06:16:50] <pink_vampire> https://imgur.com
[06:17:18] <jthornton> XXCoder: you have room out back to build a shop?
[06:17:24] <XXCoder> yep but no money
[06:17:54] <Wolf__> I need a new box in my back yard for all my crap
[06:18:13] <jthornton> pink_vampire: looking good, I like the name
[06:18:31] <jthornton> my RPC control panel is named Linus
[06:20:15] <pink_vampire> thanks!
[06:20:45] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I also saw now the compliments that you right - thanks!
[06:21:19] <Wolf__> I need to get off my ass and go check on getting a permit for new shop =/
[06:22:48] <rmu> pink_vampire: your gecko drive mounting bracket looks interesting. you didn't 3d print that did you?
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[06:23:53] <pink_vampire> rmu: NO, with 60K rpm spindle it is much faster to just cut it from foam pvc and glue it
[06:26:30] <miss0r> g'day
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[06:27:45] <jthornton> hey
[06:28:07] <XXCoder> yo
[06:28:21] <miss0r> Just got back from giving a client a WTF experience :)
[06:28:30] <miss0r> "YES the machine needs oil not to break!"
[06:28:35] <Wolf__> lol
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[06:28:52] <miss0r> so... Three gears, 4 bushings and 6 bearings needs to be replaced
[06:29:20] <miss0r> luckily its a gear factory, so the gears they will have whipped up within next week. The rest is just easy turning at home here & the bearings are ordered.
[06:29:48] <miss0r> apparently the central oiling system had stopped working back in '98
[06:30:01] <jthornton> my mil first car all she did was drive it and put gas in until it died one day, no one bothered to tell her to have the oil changed
[06:30:22] <miss0r> so every time they started the machine (only runs 3 days a year) they poured some oil over the gears in the gearbox. it just never made it inside the bushings/bearings
[06:30:36] <miss0r> lol
[06:30:55] <XXCoder> LOL... i was playing a game... it went to future... of 2010.
[06:30:59] <XXCoder> city is in clouds.
[06:31:01] <Wolf__> central oiling ftw… https://i.imgur.com
[06:31:29] <miss0r> wtf am I looking at?
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[06:31:45] <miss0r> somethings not right with that hose... :)
[06:31:47] <Wolf__> piece of wire stuck in one of the oil hoses
[06:32:06] <miss0r> I swear, it was like that when I got here
[06:32:08] <Wolf__> so the one shot just dumps all out of that one break
[06:32:20] <miss0r> yeah
[06:32:35] <Wolf__> thats the surface grinder I picked up
[06:32:39] <miss0r> the machine I was just out messing about with is a 1958 TOS gear mill
[06:32:52] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com =/
[06:32:53] <miss0r> for rather large gears (up to 2 meters in diameter, and a height of about 1 meter)
[06:33:21] <miss0r> that looks a smidge dry
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[06:33:48] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com no oil didn’t help that thing =/
[06:34:05] <XXCoder> dont lok great
[06:34:06] <miss0r> damn
[06:34:40] <Wolf__> flaking is just about gone so not a good sign https://i.imgur.com
[06:35:04] <XXCoder> what is flaking?
[06:35:05] <miss0r> looks like a re-scrape to me
[06:35:16] <miss0r> XXCoder: The half moon pattern
[06:35:17] <XXCoder> oh poattern on rails
[06:35:20] <XXCoder> ya
[06:35:38] <miss0r> you apply that after a grinding job or a fine scraping job. its for oil retaining
[06:35:44] <Wolf__> ^
[06:35:54] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:36:01] <Tom_L> one step closer to thread milling
[06:36:28] <miss0r> or, in some cases, like my mill for cosmetics :) it has the flaking pattern on non sliding surfaces :)
[06:36:43] <miss0r> tom_L: nice
[06:37:17] <miss0r> Tom_L: Some chattering going on in the bottom of one of those bores?
[06:37:28] <rmu> pink_vampire gone? i was asking because i hab multiple failures of power supplies where a heatsink managed to melt the hot snot off of some caps or inductors and then blocking the fan causing a slow painful death of power transistors and rectifiers
[06:37:29] <Tom_L> probably, it's an old old lathe
[06:37:29] <miss0r> middle one on the bottom
[06:37:41] <miss0r> yeah, I know that song
[06:37:45] <Tom_L> and i was in a hurry
[06:38:01] <Tom_L> the money part there is the threads
[06:38:02] <miss0r> you don't need to apologise :) hehe
[06:38:19] <miss0r> ./make up excuses :) We've all been there
[06:38:48] <miss0r> rmu: Nice, how'd you manage that?
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[06:43:49] <Wolf__> miss0r: saying it looks like re-scrape or needs one lol
[06:44:02] <miss0r> like it needs one
[06:44:04] <miss0r> :)
[06:44:27] <pink_vampire> log
[06:44:27] <c-log> pink_vampire: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:44:33] <miss0r> you could get realy lucky, that it is still within spec, so you can just re flake it. Wouldn't count' on it though
[06:44:46] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:44:54] <Tom_L> miss0r the old clunker i'm dealing with
[06:44:54] <Wolf__> lol yeah, new shop 1st, then get my surface plates calibrated
[06:45:21] <miss0r> Tom_L: damn :) I would not enjoy that honnestly
[06:46:18] <Tom_L> got it used and had it most of my adult life
[06:46:20] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: nice lathe!
[06:46:34] <miss0r> Tom_L: Well, then you know it in and out I guess
[06:46:48] <Tom_L> we tolerate each other
[06:46:54] <miss0r> haha xD
[06:48:29] <Wolf__> miss0r: thinking, if=new shop, then host scraping class lol
[06:49:03] <miss0r> yeah. Just show the students how to do it on my mill :D
[06:49:14] <miss0r> or lathe
[06:49:15] <miss0r> :)
[06:49:35] <Wolf__> its that to travel to one of the kingway classes
[06:50:26] <Wolf__> s/to/or
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[06:58:51] <Wolf__> https://www.bidspotter.com that might work
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[07:25:10] <miss0r> man I love this new cut-off tool I've gotten
[07:25:39] <miss0r> I just had to mill 1.2mm off the bottom of the holder to make it fit within the ajustability of my tool change
[07:25:44] <miss0r> it is sweet :D
[07:26:14] <miss0r> I think I can cut steel to length faster on the lathe now, than on my cold saw
[07:26:31] <jthornton> dang that is a good one
[07:26:50] <miss0r> yeah
[07:26:55] <miss0r> I can run it fast and hard
[07:26:58] <miss0r> it just eats away
[07:28:50] <miss0r> I'll go mess a bit with my land rover engine - I've repaired a few machines at a shop that does engine block remachining. I made a good deal :D I'll be back later
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[09:17:19] <rmu> miss0r: re. hot snot and heat sink, i didn't do anything special, it an error of the manufacturer to use hot glue in the first place
[09:17:57] <rmu> miss0r: i would not use a PLA 3d printed bracket to mount a heatsink, PLA seems to get pretty weak even at temperatures around 70°C
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[09:35:30] <Loetmichel> hihi, just got a package from an military MRE manufacturer. 20 packs of sweet buiscuits "Panzerplatten", 10 cans od dark bread, 20 packs of instant vitamin C drink powder "exotic flavour" and 10 packs a 50g dark chocolate. 89 eur... maan is that stuff expensive... but now i have some long-lasting "emergency food" here at the company should i again notice at 3 in the evening that i forgot
[09:35:31] <Loetmichel> breakfast AND lunch again.
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[09:38:24] <PL7icnc> rain outside in Germany
[09:38:39] <PL7icnc> somone on here that is also on the forum ?
[09:39:11] <jthornton> PL7icnc: yes, why?
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[09:39:42] <PL7icnc> hi imade alot of info Posts they are under NOREPLAI in the list
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[09:40:17] <PL7icnc> jthornton, can you just make a Replay whatever "Nice" Thanks ... so they are coming of the list
[09:41:00] <jthornton> I don't understand your request, do you have a link to your post?
[09:41:33] <PL7icnc> jthornton, all inside the list https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[09:42:35] <jthornton> if no one has replied then they will be in that list, I see plenty of views...
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[09:45:58] <PL7icnc> all from myself
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[09:46:08] <PL7icnc> its only info
[09:46:24] <PL7icnc> berside the ngcgui issue i like to be solfed
[09:47:37] <PL7icnc> jthornton, do you know if the ngcgui ttt is a NGC file that is caled or a C-Code internal that is used
[09:54:15] <JT-Shop> ttt is a program
[09:54:56] <JT-Shop> true type tracer or something like that
[09:55:09] <PL7icnc> i know
[09:55:49] <PL7icnc> but the NGCgui lods only the programm with the SCALE Font .... and where is this file that ads this Entry to the ngcgui
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[13:04:10] <imrija_> Hello, I'm currently near the machine
[13:04:27] <imrija_> still seeking for help with MESA 5i23
[13:04:38] <imrija_> is anyone of the mesa people around yet ?
[13:05:44] <pink_vampire> help with what?
[13:06:27] <imrija_> I'm all new to the mesa cards and I can't get any readout from my linear scale.
[13:06:37] <imrija_> I don't know whether I'm doing something wrong
[13:08:14] <imrija_> I've been told that I need to check what firmware is my card running via mesaflash
[13:08:36] <imrija_> I did that, it does not run any hostmot firmware until I run linuxcnc
[13:08:59] <imrija_> and I tried to flash it too, but I got error message saying, that this card does not suport flashing
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[13:23:25] <pcw_home> That's correct, 5I23s do not support flash
[13:24:24] <pcw_home> on cards tha do no support flash, the FPGA firmware is loaded when LinuxCNC starts (the firmware name is specified in the driver loadrt line)
[13:25:59] <pcw_home> If you wish to determine the pinout of the firmware, you can load it via mesaflash and then use mesaflash's readhmid option to print a pinout
[13:26:19] <pcw_home> eg:
[13:26:53] <pcw_home> sudo mesaflash --device 5i23 --program someoldbitfile.bit
[13:27:28] <pcw_home> sudo mesaflash --device 5i23 --readhmid > someoldbitfile.pin
[13:28:33] <imrija_> Thanks, that is what I also did
[13:28:45] <imrija_> I think I've found the culprit
[13:28:50] <imrija_> my scales are not TTL
[13:29:58] <pcw_home> differential is OK but analog needs an interpolator board
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[13:34:27] <imrija_> yeah, they seem to be sine wave
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[13:47:07] <imrija_> do you guys have any suggestion for cheap interpolator board ?
[13:52:41] <jthornton> pcw_home: the 5i23 looks like a shortened 5i20 with double size fpga chip?
[13:53:16] <jthornton> I seem to remember the 5i23 as a step up option for the chip or something now
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[13:56:44] <pcw_home> Yes just newer (Spartan 3 vs Spartan2 but similar PCI bridge design)
[13:57:45] <pcw_home> bigger FPGA, DMA capable Bridge but both 5I20 and 5I23 are basically obsolete now
[13:58:17] <pcw_home> old parts that have doubled in cost...
[14:06:18] <JT-Shop> thanks
[14:07:19] <gloops> did imrija get his problem sorted? he was looking for help with mesa
[14:13:17] <fragalot> 'sup
[14:16:57] <imrija_> gloops: I have sine wave scales :/
[14:18:10] <gloops> sounds painful imrija_
[14:19:02] <imrija_> I need to get interface board that converts the sine waves to TTL, or get different linear scales
[14:22:43] <gloops> ahh ok - i dont know anything about mesa, but if you know what you need thats a start
[14:42:20] <pink_vampire> hi
[14:47:38] <JT-Shop> Gamo customer service is the best I've ever seen!
[14:47:52] <fragalot> jester.
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[14:50:04] <methods_> pellet rifle gamo?
[14:50:22] <gloops> el Gamo
[14:51:49] <methods_> i have one of these
[14:51:51] <methods_> https://www.gamousa.com
[14:52:16] <methods_> nice little air rifle
[14:52:30] <JT-Shop> yea the .22 caliber whisper something
[14:52:59] <methods_> yeah fun little bugger
[14:53:04] <JT-Shop> whisper fusion mach 1
[14:53:23] <methods_> yeah that's what i hav
[14:53:25] <methods_> have even
[14:53:51] <JT-Shop> the .22 or .17?
[14:53:57] <JT-Shop> .177 even
[14:54:00] <methods_> .177
[14:54:07] <methods_> i should have gotten the .22
[14:54:12] <methods_> but the .177 is fine
[14:54:22] <JT-Shop> https://www.gamousa.com
[14:54:32] <methods_> yeah
[14:54:39] <methods_> same as mine just .22
[14:56:44] <JT-Shop> I have that one and an older whisper .177 that they don't make anymore
[14:57:15] <JT-Shop> but the .177 will penetrate pretty good
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[14:57:53] <JT-Shop> I was surprised how much effort the .22 takes to cock
[14:58:42] <methods_> yeah even the .177 takes a little bit of muscle
[14:59:18] <JT-Shop> I like the adjustable trigger on the fusion mach 1
[14:59:33] * JT-Shop wanders down to th log yard to cut some rounds
[14:59:50] <methods_> i haven't even messsed with the trigger
[15:16:27] <Tom_L> jthornton
[15:16:58] <Tom_L> what did you do with the logger?
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[15:28:14] <JT-Shop> a guy added support to turn on logging join, leave and quit
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[15:51:19] <CaptHindsight> don't raise the bridge, lower the river https://www.reddit.com
[15:52:52] <CaptHindsight> ever notice that some groups just ignore anything LCNC
[15:53:24] <CaptHindsight> solved your problem in minutes with LCNC
[15:53:50] <CaptHindsight> "but how do i do it (poorly) with a *duino?'
[15:55:27] <Jymmm> I suspect it's the latency requirements
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[15:56:04] <CaptHindsight> latency between being exposed to information and it being useful in the brain?
[15:56:07] <nos> \o/
[15:56:10] <nos> https://hackaday.com
[15:56:13] <nos> c:
[15:56:24] <SpeedEvil> well duh.
[15:56:35] * SpeedEvil looks at his pile of hoverboards with smashed plastics.
[15:59:11] <CaptHindsight> The ides of March: Julius Caesar is murdered
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[16:01:54] <gloops> he said 'infamy infamy! theyve all got it infamy!'
[16:02:23] <CaptHindsight> et tu Billybob?
[16:03:09] <nos> SpeedEvil: https://discourse.odriverobotics.com
[16:03:21] <nos> It's an outlier!
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[16:08:24] <CaptHindsight> heres-why-hoverboard-motors-might-belong-in-robots and other stories from those who should be listening vs talking
[16:08:56] <fragalot> BINKY8
[16:08:57] <fragalot> !
[16:10:38] <gloops> julius caesar infamy - https://www.youtube.com
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[16:13:03] <CaptHindsight> gloops: funny, will anyone under 30 get the joke?
[16:14:56] <gloops> i dunno, there is a minor revival in carry on humour among far right college students in the UK
[16:15:27] <nos> CaptHindsight: The article links to a forum post by the guy who designed ODrive; a FOSS motor driver that presses brushless hobby motors into servo duty.
[16:17:09] <CaptHindsight> more crap I can't use in a real robot
[16:18:05] <CaptHindsight> https://static1.squarespace.com
[16:18:06] <fragalot> because inferior robots are not real
[16:18:39] <CaptHindsight> featuring new silcone based universal one time use connectors
[16:18:55] <a-u> agreed - that stuff is mostly imaginary robotics
[16:19:24] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: they're self-welding.
[16:19:49] <fragalot> wait I just noticed which ones you meant. christ >.<
[16:21:10] <nos> Another FOSS option is VESC.
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[16:22:11] <a-u> Likely a stupid question... but I have LCNC that seems to be running well, but on start-up I always get the: RTAPI: ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay on task 1 This Message will only display once per session. Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing.
[16:22:12] <CaptHindsight> how about a not shitty open source hardware project?
[16:22:38] <nos> CaptHindsight: You do know that is what LinuxCNC IS right?
[16:22:39] <a-u> The question: how bad is this if everything works well?
[16:22:57] <gloops> well thats enough meshing for one session https://ibb.co
[16:23:28] <CaptHindsight> nos: how is the head injury going?
[16:23:29] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: SEW? NotQuiteLCNC Heidenhain?
[16:24:28] <nos> CaptHindsight: Just admit your error. Spare me the ad-hominems.
[16:25:13] <gloops> a-u ignore that error message
[16:26:05] <CaptHindsight> nos: hardware?
[16:26:22] <CaptHindsight> kids out of school early this year?
[16:26:49] <a-u> mine is running on a dell 7010 - intel core 5 I think
[16:28:09] <nos> CaptHindsight: Cobbled together from whatever you find.
[16:29:06] <CaptHindsight> nos: don't hurt yourself
[16:29:08] <nos> Or do you tear out the brains from commercial CNC machines and replace it with LCNC?
[16:29:43] <nos> CaptHindsight: Are you drunk? Why can't you behave yourself?
[16:30:36] <CaptHindsight> nos: control issues?
[16:31:51] <nos> hm
[16:33:28] <nos> Well apparently you can put the oDrive or VESC software on your MCU of choice and pick your own FETs, and so perhaps drive proper industrial AC servos.
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[16:40:17] <CaptHindsight> is there a website like hackaday only with good projects on it?
[16:43:03] <nos> hackaday.io has people's own projects.
[16:43:20] <Rab> CaptHindsight, how about an example?
[16:44:32] <Rab> Besides stmbl?
[16:45:17] <nos> Good projects often don't deliver on their open source promises. They get a Kickstarter campaign, then VC money, and then implode.
[16:46:58] <nos> Rab: this stmbl thing looks cool!
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[16:47:10] <Rab> Also VESC is pretty rulin', and I'd be interested to hear why not.
[16:49:13] <nos> I'd like to see if one can run PMSMs using class-D amplifiers...
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[16:51:20] <nos> You can get a 100W class-D amp for $7.58 on Aliexpress. Free shipping.
[16:52:13] <Rab> Worth every penny!
[16:52:33] <nos> :D
[16:52:52] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i thought it already did that. i just have it turned off on mine
[16:53:06] <KimK> !log
[16:53:06] <c-log> KimK: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[16:53:26] <Tom_L> at least join/part
[16:53:31] <Rab> 100W doesn't go very far in machine tools applications.
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[16:55:26] <nos> yeah... And the price seems to go up very quickly.
[16:56:15] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: it was turned off but never tested turned on lol
[16:57:51] <Tom_L> when i first started using it, i had j/p on but dedided i didn't want it
[16:57:58] <Tom_L> so that part should have been tested
[16:58:02] <roycroft> class a amplifiers sound a lot better than class d
[16:58:04] <Tom_L> dunno about quit
[16:58:14] <roycroft> if you're going to be listening to your cnc machine all day, use a class a amp :)
[16:58:59] <nos> roycroft: You are right, but at 2kW they would melt through the floor.
[16:59:33] <Tom_L> https://www.ebay.com
[16:59:37] <roycroft> but your ears would not be complaining
[16:59:41] <Tom_L> for the price, that's not a bad base
[16:59:43] <nos> PWM / Class-D is used because MOSFETs are good at full on / full off.
[17:00:35] <roycroft> my main hifi gear is vintage mcintosh - i'm rather particular about what reaches my ears :)
[17:00:58] <roycroft> none of that sansuzi crap for me
[17:02:17] <nos> Tom_L: Those have a rod which is actuated by the hand wheel, and the force is taken up in this dinky little ring in a groove in aluminium.
[17:02:47] <nos> Tighten it too much and it pops right out, stripping the aluminium.
[17:02:57] <Tom_L> good to know
[17:03:15] <Tom_L> noga is better quality i'm sure
[17:03:28] <nos> I think those are hydraulic!
[17:03:35] <Tom_L> noga?
[17:03:40] <nos> ya
[17:03:42] <Tom_L> huh
[17:04:03] <nos> These cheap ones work fine as long as you don't over-tighten.
[17:04:15] <Rab> Related to class D audio motor control: https://www.youtube.com
[17:04:38] <Rab> Beats the Imperial March played on a 3D printer, IMO.
[17:04:57] <nos> :D
[17:05:07] <roycroft> i love my noga indicator holder
[17:05:26] <roycroft> anything else is definitely not scottish!
[17:05:52] <a-u> cheap from the harbor: https://www.harborfreight.com
[17:06:49] <Rab> I think they mean "fine" as in "OK, fine".
[17:06:58] <roycroft> the next one i get i'll order with a micro adjust on both the base end and the indicator end
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[17:08:39] <nos> ... wait
[17:08:47] <roycroft> https://www.ebay.com
[17:08:53] <roycroft> there's one you might be able to get fairly cheap
[17:08:59] <nos> https://www.aliexpress.com
[17:09:44] <nos> 3 of those would be 3kW.
[17:09:52] <CaptHindsight> Rab: how about Vulkan for LCNC? REing U/EFI blobs for x86 in the past 10 years, RE Broadcom ethernet controller blobs and similar
[17:10:12] <CaptHindsight> useful projects
[17:11:12] <CaptHindsight> help this guy out http://linux-sunxi.org
[17:11:17] <nos> https://news.ycombinator.com
[17:11:28] <nos> They have a lot of boring busines stuff too though.
[17:12:39] <CaptHindsight> R.E. RF modem blobs for LTE
[17:13:30] <Rab> PC stuff is dull as a box of rocks, doesn't count as "hardware".
[17:13:43] <srk> this
[17:14:45] <nos> These are indeed very useful, noble projects. However, most self-described 'hackers' on youtube are bros with 3D printers and far from noble.
[17:14:47] * srk just quit another IT job to able to work on machine control and robotics
[17:15:05] <nos> HaD is at least nowhere near as bad.
[17:15:48] <nos> srk: I too quit IT after 10 years to become a machinist.
[17:15:53] <srk> :))
[17:16:18] <nos> Weeks go by quick and my neck and shoulders don't hurt constantly.
[17:16:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.thingiverse.com
[17:17:00] <nos> Outstanding.
[17:17:14] <Rab> CaptHindsight, also, where's that open sores 5-axis CAM I feel we were promised?
[17:17:22] <srk> I've started to work on canopen bldc control for CNCs last year (https://distrap.org/) but the dayjob took all the time and willpower to work on that
[17:17:35] <srk> Rab: BlenderCAM maybe
[17:17:48] <CaptHindsight> Rab: Who promised YOU that?
[17:18:18] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I feel entitled to it, isn't that the same thing?
[17:18:29] <CaptHindsight> blendercam was funded a few years ago, but no longer
[17:18:56] <nos> lol
[17:18:59] <srk> ah, still listed as not yet supported :)
[17:19:45] <nos> srk: This looks very cool... You don't mind if I use this for the army of humanoid robots I'm going to take over the world with?
[17:20:17] <a-u> I'd like to share in entitlement to CAM above 3 axis at a reasonable price.
[17:20:27] <srk> np, humanity sucks anyway
[17:20:41] <nos> Agreed.
[17:21:01] <roycroft> this blendercam? https://www.youtube.com
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[17:22:42] <nos> I think Fusion 360 is multi-axis...
[17:22:46] <CaptHindsight> open source cooperation from a bunch of misfits
[17:22:57] <nos> But it won't even start in Wine.
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[17:25:01] <nos> srk: I think ROS has support for CAN, too.
[17:25:08] <srk> it does
[17:25:15] <CaptHindsight> runs fine on a Win 10 copy from China for $10
[17:25:21] <CaptHindsight> so ZI've heard
[17:25:24] <srk> there's CANOpen master (ros-industrial)
[17:25:26] <CaptHindsight> -Z
[17:25:47] <srk> there's also motion planning for CNCs which makes my job kind-of easier
[17:26:04] <srk> (still want to try implementing whole stack)
[17:27:46] <CaptHindsight> 10 devs cooperating on a 5-axis CAM for something like FreeCAD would take a few months
[17:28:02] <CaptHindsight> decide on the GUI and framework up front
[17:28:24] <CaptHindsight> the core math is not where the work is
[17:28:32] <nos> I need my robots to still function after they have been used for target-practice. I assume distributing control using CAN would aid in that?
[17:28:46] <srk> for sure :)
[17:28:48] <CaptHindsight> it's mostly setting up how to deal with a wide range of cutting tools
[17:28:59] <nos> yiss!
[17:29:42] <srk> the first robotic project I've worked on failed spectacularly due to encoders connected via I2C
[17:30:03] <srk> bit of noise from teh motors and robot was spinning madly
[17:30:16] <CaptHindsight> more likely you'd have 10 devs competing to write the whole thing themselves vs working together
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[17:30:17] <nos> hm!
[17:31:06] <CaptHindsight> srk: did you ask a grown up about your plans?
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[17:31:18] <CaptHindsight> discuss the design beforehand?
[17:31:33] <srk> CaptHindsight: which part? hardware?
[17:31:46] <srk> or a whole project?
[17:31:54] <CaptHindsight> "the first robotic project"
[17:32:13] <CaptHindsight> portions or whole
[17:32:35] <srk> heh, yeah there was an older person coordinating us
[17:33:14] <gregcnc> capt did you enjoy the taste of spring?
[17:33:16] <srk> well, you still find people who think i2c for robotics is a good idea
[17:34:32] <roycroft> it's going to be 23 here on monday!
[17:34:37] <roycroft> that's almost a taste of summer
[17:34:45] <srk> heh
[17:34:58] <roycroft> first birkenstock day of the year
[17:35:15] <roycroft> it's 16 right now
[17:35:17] <srk> I couldn't wait for nice weather and burned my RC reciever on a quad due to rain
[17:35:26] <srk> today
[17:35:30] <roycroft> hopefully the rest of the snow will melt over the weekend
[17:36:08] <roycroft> i can't remember snow being on the ground for two weeks ever since i lived in chicago, and i moved away from there in 1980
[17:36:25] <Rab> CaptHindsight, competing efforts are an inevitable consequence of necessary and vital UI toolkit bikeshedding.
[17:36:43] <Rab> Imagine how much awesome software we'd have if everybody was stuck using Motif.
[17:37:24] <roycroft> i always liked motif
[17:37:49] <roycroft> and lesstif was a worthy open source clone, so the folks who hate on motif because it's proprietary were just baseless haters
[17:38:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: was stuck inside until 3 yesterday, caught the last hour or two only
[17:39:09] <gregcnc> I only went out to check the mail box and pick up coffee beans. It was nice.
[17:39:24] <gregcnc> The rail upgrade on that photon did wonders
[17:39:37] <CaptHindsight> heading out now
[17:39:40] <gregcnc> I was thinking about getting one, but reviews are mixed on amazon
[17:44:51] <nos> Wow ROS-industrial is pretty big.
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[18:49:13] <weenerdog> howdy
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[18:56:14] <a-u> hiya too
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[19:33:11] <jthornton> having some connectivity issues I guess
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[19:39:28] <XXCoder> lol thats why i love norepeat. i only see 2 d/cs
[19:39:55] <a-u> the Flood message seemed like a DOS breaker kicking in - but I don't know this tech well
[19:40:16] <a-u> good point - I should look for a real client
[19:41:12] <XXCoder> i wrote the norepeat for hexchat
[19:41:22] <jthornton> I have it turned off an only see it on riot
[19:41:36] <XXCoder> i wanted to see disconnects but not repeative disconnects without talking
[19:41:40] <XXCoder> well thats what it does.
[19:41:52] <jthornton> cool
[19:42:08] <XXCoder> https://github.com
[19:42:29] * jthornton ponders how to make a conversational thing for qtpyvcp
[19:42:59] <jthornton> cool
[19:43:00] <a-u> same - but for MPG buttons
[19:43:14] <XXCoder> my spttoomany is set at 3, toomany at 2
[19:45:05] <jthornton> dinner time here
[19:46:05] <a-u> past time here - and pizza night
[19:46:16] <XXCoder> lunch
[19:48:38] <a-u> I caught the opinion that a RTAI message on launch is kinda normal, as long as everything else works well. Did I get that right?
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[19:56:59] <pcw_mesa> I honestly think RTAI latency messages are kinda broken
[19:57:00] <pcw_mesa> They only display one error so if its some kind of one time only error due to caching or something you cannot tell
[19:58:07] <pcw_mesa> better would be to count all errors and the magnitude of the worst
[19:58:48] <a-u> Thanks - and that was what I had gathered. Something about the initial launch. When LCNC stops it has an "exceeded" delay message that has always been zero for me...
[19:59:23] <a-u> ... but I'm working on upgrade and improve and that one won't go away unless I set the base way way up... too far to be usable.
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[20:21:45] <CaptHindsight> RTAI works best when configured for the cpu, one size fits all just sort of works
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[20:41:12] <pink_vampire> HI
[20:41:23] <XXCoder> hey pink
[20:42:06] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder, how are you
[20:42:12] <XXCoder> tired lol
[20:42:28] <XXCoder> had to get my brother to airport at 5 am, and i normally sleep at 4
[20:42:37] <XXCoder> got home at 6 am, finally asleep 40 min later
[20:43:01] <XXCoder> then had to wake up and drive to pick up my nephew from bus from school
[20:43:14] <pink_vampire> long day..
[20:43:22] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:43:34] <XXCoder> that was after working 10 hours too so was very tired already
[20:44:37] <pink_vampire> I need to clean here and organize the huge mess i did, and it feel like it never going to end
[20:44:49] <XXCoder> shop cleaning never ends
[20:45:02] <pink_vampire> i clean the lathe
[20:45:14] <pink_vampire> and i need to clean the table here
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[20:46:56] <pink_vampire> also i need to add power outlet in the panel, for the coolant pump
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[20:51:17] <XXCoder> nice
[20:53:10] <pink_vampire> I'm drilling the electrical box
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[21:16:08] <jesseg> Sorry guys, my internet's been killing me.
[21:16:18] <jesseg> seems stable now.
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[21:17:13] <XXCoder> yay
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[21:22:16] <weenerdog> howdy again
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[21:27:05] <infornography> ello
[21:27:17] <weenerdog> sup
[21:28:29] <XXCoder> heys
[21:30:28] <infornography> in my country, dog is emergency food supply
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[21:43:24] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[21:43:29] <skunkworks> 3d printers are cool
[21:45:34] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[21:45:44] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[21:46:29] <skunkworks> goes with http://electronicsam.com
[21:47:46] <andypugh> The only metric allen key in the USA?
[21:48:15] <CaptHindsight> nah they sell them near everywhere
[21:48:34] <andypugh> But USA-ians are not allowed to buy them, I thought ;-)
[21:49:02] <CaptHindsight> heh, metric fasteners are more hit or miss
[21:49:11] <XXCoder> we pay $100 fee each time we buy something metric
[21:49:18] <XXCoder> per item
[21:49:31] <CaptHindsight> the cars were imperial and metric for decades
[21:49:37] <CaptHindsight> now mostly metric
[21:49:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:50:26] <CaptHindsight> I still have all my imperial special tools for autos
[21:50:44] <CaptHindsight> sensor and spark plug sockets sockets
[21:51:01] <pink_vampire> I love my 10-32
[21:51:17] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: amazing stuff!
[21:51:29] <CaptHindsight> carburetor and distributor wrenches
[21:52:35] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: I have a full set of left hand metric screw drivers
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[21:58:37] <andypugh> I think everyone has a full set of zero of those.
[22:01:24] <CaptHindsight> I stock up those 999 pice screw driver sets since they have every security fastener matched
[22:02:36] <andypugh> Anyway, bed time
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[23:54:41] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:54:44] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:54:49] <Tom_itx> https://youtu.be
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[23:58:15] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: VERY NICE!!!!!!!!!!
[23:58:35] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:58:38] <Tom_L> it fits too :)
[23:59:14] <pink_vampire> how the tool look like?
[23:59:22] <Tom_L> the cutter?
[23:59:39] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:59:48] <Tom_L> the big one is 3/4 16