#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-03-16

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[00:00:23] <pink_vampire> where did you got them?
[00:01:06] <pink_vampire> or did you made them?
[00:01:10] <Tom_L> http://onlinecarbide.com
[00:01:49] <Tom_L> i had to cut the shank so it would fit
[00:02:08] <Tom_L> used my threadmill macro i just wrote to cut them
[00:03:05] <pink_vampire> $25 for each
[00:03:06] <pink_vampire> wow
[00:03:35] <Tom_L> http://onlinecarbide.com
[00:03:37] <Tom_L> no
[00:04:02] <Tom_L> it's like buying a whole set of tap and dies
[00:04:09] <Tom_L> metric and imperial
[00:04:33] <pink_vampire> WTF $89.95
[00:04:41] <pink_vampire> wow for a hobby
[00:04:44] <pink_vampire> crazy
[00:04:53] <Tom_L> i take my toys seriously
[00:05:52] <pink_vampire> i just added a power outlets to my panel to drive the coolant pump, an who know what more will go there
[00:06:15] <Wolf__> lol, thats not a 10-32 tap pink
[00:07:03] <Wolf__> thats pretty cheap vs how much a >0.75” tap costs
[00:07:08] <Tom_L> i was rather happy the macro worked excellent.
[00:07:20] <Tom_L> i had to adjust it by .002" for clearance
[00:07:39] <Tom_L> i'll probably build that into the macro so you just enter the major and minor diameters
[00:07:57] <pink_vampire> ridgid tapping is much faster and cheaper (yeah no over size)
[00:08:11] <Wolf__> not cheaper…
[00:08:14] <Tom_L> true but my spindle won't turn a 3/4 16 tap
[00:08:16] <Lcvette> Tom_L: faster faster
[00:08:22] <Tom_L> pfft
[00:08:32] <Tom_L> the spindle doesn't like it any faster
[00:08:45] <Lcvette> Single point?
[00:08:54] <Tom_L> yeah
[00:09:16] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[00:09:26] <Tom_L> 6 'flute'
[00:09:55] <trentster> Hey all, can anyone give me a pointer on what the Wiper related to on my BOB analogue input. I am trying to connect to my VFD and I am not sure of the wiring. https://take.ms
[00:10:00] <Lcvette> But single point
[00:10:06] <Tom_L> yup
[00:12:09] <pink_vampire> probing > https://i.imgur.com > https://i.imgur.com > installed https://i.imgur.com
[00:12:36] <Lcvette> https://youtu.be
[00:12:45] <Lcvette> Go to 1:15
[00:14:24] <pink_vampire> 1/4-20 is the most generic tap
[00:14:52] <XXCoder> nice
[00:15:02] <Lcvette> In iron
[00:15:22] <Lcvette> You should be able to speed it up a good bit Tom
[00:15:49] <trentster> On that screenshot above it says that the BOB expects 10V in from the VFD, but my VFD only has a 12V out port. DOes this mean I need to use a resistor to drop the voltage from 12v to 10v from the VFD?
[00:17:32] <Lcvette> I run multi flute single revolution ThreadMills way faster than you were running that single point and that single point you have is a very beefy single point with allot more rigidity
[00:17:58] <Lcvette> You can make multiple passes
[00:18:16] <Lcvette> Or a full depth and a spring
[00:19:28] <_unreal_> midnight no wonder I cant focus
[00:20:08] <Tom_L> Lcvette i see you did 3 passes too
[00:20:29] <Lcvette> 2 and a spring
[00:21:28] <Lcvette> In aluminum I only do 1 and a spring
[00:21:28] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: the machine on the video it is your machine?
[00:21:41] <Lcvette> My little mill
[00:21:55] <Lcvette> G0704
[00:22:05] <pink_vampire> we have the same mill
[00:22:12] <pink_vampire> your look faster
[00:22:14] <Lcvette> Hurray!
[00:22:27] <Lcvette> Grease lightning!
[00:22:28] <Lcvette> Lol
[00:22:36] <Lcvette> Slow
[00:23:00] <Lcvette> Looks fast. Because of small moves
[00:23:22] <pink_vampire> what is your rapid?
[00:23:50] <Lcvette> There? Probably 150-200ish
[00:24:07] <pink_vampire> mm/min?
[00:24:15] <Lcvette> Ipm
[00:25:06] <Tom_L> oh i tried 2.8 on it tonight and it wouldn't run
[00:25:12] <Lcvette> I can turn x and y up to 250ipm, but z is best about 200 max
[00:25:12] <pink_vampire> i mean in general what is the fastest rapid move you can do?
[00:25:39] <pink_vampire> yeah this is much faster then my machine
[00:25:54] <pink_vampire> are you using mesa card?
[00:25:58] <Tom_L> i have no reason to push mine
[00:26:28] <Lcvette> No, that machine is still running mach3 with an Ethernet smoothstepper
[00:26:55] <pink_vampire> mine is 2400mm/min the house can't take more then that
[00:27:16] <Lcvette> That's not bad
[00:27:46] <Lcvette> Tom_L: that's cool
[00:27:54] <pink_vampire> the motors can push it up to 15000mm/min, but the house move
[00:28:09] <Lcvette> Lol
[00:28:51] <pink_vampire> apartment with wooden floor
[00:30:52] <_unreal_> always a good timne
[00:31:13] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: for?
[00:31:22] <_unreal_> flexy floor
[00:31:38] <XXCoder> so flexy floor is good for flexy floor?
[00:31:41] <pink_vampire> lol no
[00:32:00] <_unreal_> XXCoder, I think I confused you
[00:32:17] <XXCoder> lol
[00:32:23] <Lcvette> Tom_L: just thought I'd share in case you weren't sure how fast to go with thread milling. When I started I had no clue and there wasn't allot of information out there in it
[00:33:51] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: do you have backlash on your machine?
[00:34:59] <Lcvette> Yeah, .001-.0015" depending on the axis. I'm still on single ballnuts
[00:35:52] <pink_vampire> my Y axis start to get some backlash
[00:36:11] <pink_vampire> and i have no idea how to compensate for it
[00:37:04] <Lcvette> Double or single nuts?
[00:37:14] <pink_vampire> single nuts
[00:37:34] <Lcvette> Best option is upgrade to double nuts
[00:37:57] <pink_vampire> where do you get now some thing like that for 1605?
[00:38:06] <Lcvette> That will get you around 0.0005"
[00:38:24] <Lcvette> Anywhere now days
[00:38:55] <Lcvette> Best to have new screws made too
[00:39:07] <Lcvette> So the for is right
[00:39:43] <pink_vampire> the problem is that the Y axis is not supported on the back side
[00:40:14] <Lcvette> That's ok
[00:40:42] <Lcvette> What bearings for the fixed side?
[00:41:05] <pink_vampire> small holes become rectangular a bit
[00:41:14] <pink_vampire> the stock bearings
[00:41:26] <Lcvette> The thrust bearings?
[00:41:33] <pink_vampire> yeah
[00:41:55] <Lcvette> That's most likely your problem
[00:42:17] <pink_vampire> and i know the Y axis not running concentric
[00:42:24] <Lcvette> They have no radial support
[00:42:38] <pink_vampire> where do i get new bearings?
[00:43:27] <Lcvette> If I were in your shoes I would use tapered roller bearings
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[00:44:05] <Lcvette> Timkin 2047/2126
[00:44:08] <Wolf__> why not angular contact ?
[00:44:45] <pink_vampire> those are thrust bearings?
[00:45:43] <Lcvette> Because the correct ac bearing for a fixed support is a 60deg AC bearing with high contact area and cost about $390/bearing
[00:46:21] <pink_vampire> wow is is crazy
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[00:46:41] <pink_vampire> what did you put on your machine?
[00:46:51] <Lcvette> It has very close to the dynamic load reading of a tapered roller bearing and 3 times the reading of a cheap ac bearing
[00:47:42] <Lcvette> They use smaller balls and higher ball count
[00:48:13] <pink_vampire> the Timken 2047/2126?
[00:48:32] <Lcvette> I have gone through three sets of cheap 40degree cheap ac bearings on mine
[00:48:48] <pink_vampire> it is look like a roller type bearing
[00:48:49] <Lcvette> They eventually fail
[00:48:56] <Lcvette> Crumbled ball
[00:49:01] <Lcvette> It is
[00:49:08] <Lcvette> Tapered roller
[00:49:22] <pink_vampire> yes correct
[00:49:35] <Lcvette> Has very good axial and radial load rating
[00:49:57] <pink_vampire> and how many i need?
[00:49:57] <Wolf__> only problem I have is the X2 I’m doing has little space so I’m stuck with 1204 ballscrew
[00:50:21] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: ???
[00:50:32] <Wolf__> kinda doubt that I could stuff a 16mm screw in it
[00:50:35] <Lcvette> And in such a small bearing size offers much better super than the tiny ac bearings
[00:51:12] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: do you put only one?
[00:51:14] <Lcvette> Support
[00:51:38] <Lcvette> 2
[00:52:31] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com tight…
[00:53:21] <Lcvette> X2 is much smaller
[00:53:32] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: i had to cut my 1605 ball nut
[00:53:35] <Lcvette> Not as much weight to move
[00:54:02] <Wolf__> I had to pocket the saddle to make stuff fit https://i.imgur.com
[00:54:48] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: https://i.imgur.com
[00:55:11] <pink_vampire> here there is only one that is 3 parts
[00:55:39] <Lcvette> You will need to make a bearing mount
[00:55:56] <Wolf__> looks the same as this bearing https://i.imgur.com
[00:56:46] <Lcvette> Those are thrust only bearings
[00:57:17] <pink_vampire> i wish i had a way to add support on the other side
[00:57:24] <Wolf__> yeah, thats my X1 lead screw blocks, you can see that I also added a needle bearing in the center
[00:57:34] <pink_vampire> same for the Z axis, and also get better rails
[00:57:38] <Lcvette> It would help
[00:58:00] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: help with?
[00:58:11] <Lcvette> Wolf__: that's a good addition to give it raises support!
[00:58:11] <pink_vampire> what it improve?
[00:58:44] <Lcvette> Radial*
[00:58:57] <Wolf__> Lcvette: like 500% over stock lol, before it was just hand wheels on the cast lol
[00:59:17] <Lcvette> Two tapered roller bearings will not need a support on the other end for y
[01:00:02] <Lcvette> The bearings and ballnut mount will form two rigid point
[01:00:11] <Wolf__> only reason I see for end support is on longer axis to help control end whip
[01:00:12] <pink_vampire> how do you preload it?
[01:00:17] <Lcvette> To hold the screw aligned
[01:00:41] <Tom_L> Lcvette what size threadmill was that and what was the S & F on it?
[01:00:53] <Lcvette> On the bearing block and ballscrew
[01:01:38] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[01:01:42] <pink_vampire> so those 2?
[01:01:59] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com same idea as this but taper bearings on each side
[01:02:28] <Lcvette> You are going to have to make a new bearing block
[01:02:59] <pink_vampire> not even sure what dose it mean
[01:03:07] <Wolf__> or same as how spindles are done
[01:03:10] <Lcvette> Research
[01:03:15] <pink_vampire> i have a lathe also
[01:04:40] <pink_vampire> i see what you mean
[01:04:41] * Lcvette posted a file: 30822301-MIT.pdf (5243KB) < https://matrix.org >
[01:04:52] <Lcvette> Read that
[01:07:03] <Lcvette> Tom_L: online carbide 1/4" single point, specs are listed on their site
[01:07:17] <pink_vampire> the bearing block is just the a bearing housing?
[01:07:23] <Tom_L> for feeds and speeds?
[01:07:24] <Lcvette> Don't know them off the top of my head
[01:07:37] <pink_vampire> just a block that bore from each side?
[01:08:03] <Wolf__> pink_vampire: yeah, with a step in the center so you can preload them
[01:08:19] <Lcvette> 4 FL, I run mine at 5k rpm in aluminum with .002ipt feed
[01:08:28] <Tom_L> ok
[01:08:38] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: what do you mean step?
[01:08:39] <Tom_L> my spindle goes to ~4k
[01:08:45] <Lcvette> Sorry, .001ipt
[01:09:01] <Tom_L> yeah i was shooting for around that, not sure what it ended up
[01:09:13] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com <~ bearing block, and how the bearing and shaft goes in to it -> https://i.imgur.com
[01:09:42] <Tom_L> once i use them some i'll get a better feel for what they can do
[01:10:02] <pink_vampire> but where is the step?
[01:10:08] <Wolf__> just a example tho, thats what I did on the x1
[01:10:30] <Wolf__> umm. that part that isnt through bored
[01:11:07] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com this is very similar to the part that i have on the machine right now
[01:11:32] <Wolf__> yeah, just need to make a new one for the roller bearings
[01:11:51] <Lcvette> Run them as fast as you want in aluminum
[01:12:21] <Lcvette> Single point aren't cutting hardly anything at all
[01:13:03] <pink_vampire> for now' i wish linux cnc had a way to compensate for backlash
[01:13:03] <Lcvette> I've accidentally run mine at rapid speed and it worked lol
[01:13:43] <Tom_L> was that video aluminum?
[01:13:47] <Lcvette> pink_vampire: both bearings need a concentric bore to fit in
[01:14:07] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: with the HF i run almost only in rapid
[01:14:14] <Lcvette> That's what gives them the ability to hold the screw rigidly inline with the table\saddle movement
[01:14:37] <Lcvette> No that was iron
[01:14:37] <pink_vampire> and you press fit them in?
[01:14:53] <Lcvette> Tom_L: iron tom
[01:15:00] <Lcvette> :O
[01:15:01] <Tom_L> gocha
[01:15:50] <Lcvette> pink_vampire: a good tight fit is all that's necessary, not a press fit
[01:16:25] <pink_vampire> so 2 Timken 2047/2126?
[01:18:02] <Lcvette> You better model everything up
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[01:18:17] <Lcvette> You will need new screws most likely
[01:18:27] <pink_vampire> why new screw?
[01:18:57] <Lcvette> Won't know until you model it up will you
[01:19:52] <Lcvette> Bearing thickness, new block design, existing screw end machining
[01:19:53] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to think what will be the best next upgrade
[01:20:06] <Wolf__> thats why my drawing has the screw shaft on it as well, everything changed when I did the new block lol
[01:20:50] <Lcvette> To me the best upgrade is double nut screws with better support bearings
[01:21:30] <Lcvette> That will all but eliminate your backlash to around 0.0005"
[01:21:47] <pink_vampire> what about new rails?
[01:21:51] <Lcvette> For that I would even bother with comp
[01:21:57] <Lcvette> Wouldn't
[01:22:29] <Lcvette> What rails?
[01:22:42] <Lcvette> Linear tail upgrade?
[01:22:45] <Lcvette> Rail
[01:22:48] <pink_vampire> correct
[01:23:10] <Lcvette> Do you have the resources to do that correctly?
[01:23:37] <pink_vampire> what do you man?
[01:24:41] <Lcvette> Not a job you just use hand tools for
[01:25:40] <pink_vampire> maybe i can get access to a bigger mill
[01:27:56] <Lcvette> That is a big undertaking
[01:29:27] <pink_vampire> i wish i had a way to get it on a big surface grinder and cnc drill all the holes
[01:32:46] <Lcvette> That's the bootstrap phenomenon
[01:33:49] <Wolf__> this is how you end up owning 3 mills, 2 lathes and a surface grinder
[01:34:21] <Lcvette> <freenode_Wol "this is how you end up owning 3 "> Wolf__: exactly
[01:35:32] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to measure the backlash on the y axis
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[01:45:02] <pink_vampire> i have 0.09mm backlash on the Y axis
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[03:46:49] <gloops> cheap stepper kit https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[03:47:17] <pink_vampire> gloops: i have stuff like that here
[03:47:30] <gloops> thats worth about...£130-140
[03:48:21] <gloops> it is in the UK yes pink_vampire, might be useful if anyone is building a stepper machine, if there is anyone else from the UK in here, i dunno
[03:48:59] <pink_vampire> those are the stuff i want to use for the bipod
[03:49:38] <gloops> my router is made with similar stuff, it works ok
[03:50:36] <gloops> i wouldnt use nema 23s again though
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[03:54:29] <XXCoder> hm
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[03:54:43] <XXCoder> looks like BOB, 3 steppers, 3 tb6600s
[03:54:47] <XXCoder> nd one unknown board
[03:55:10] <XXCoder> mach3 type
[03:55:41] <gloops> motors about £90, PSU £20 drivers £20 BOB £5 - throw board away
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[04:55:13] <Deejay> moin
[04:55:35] <nos> o/
[04:55:45] <XXCoder> hey new old stock
[04:55:53] <nos> :3
[04:55:54] <pink_vampire> hi
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[05:53:08] <jthornton> morning
[05:59:38] <XXCoder> good morning
[05:59:54] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:01:45] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[06:04:57] <pink_vampire> jthornton: I'm starting to working on the pyvcp stuff that you help me with
[06:05:06] <jthornton> cool
[06:05:21] <XXCoder> :)
[06:09:40] <Tom_L> morning
[06:09:49] <jthornton> morning
[06:09:53] <XXCoder> morning
[06:11:22] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[06:11:25] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:11:39] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[06:14:02] <jthornton> multiple passes?
[06:14:08] <Tom_L> 3
[06:14:25] <jthornton> did you make the jaws just to fit that part?
[06:14:31] <Tom_L> yes
[06:14:55] <jthornton> cool, what does that part do?
[06:15:07] <Tom_L> then i'll flip it on it's side and clamp it near the end to do the cross holes
[06:15:24] <Tom_L> it's a em holder for the sherline spindle
[06:15:26] <XXCoder> is it one off?
[06:15:38] <Tom_L> i may use them for drills since the chuck is alot longer
[06:15:52] <jthornton> it threads on the spindle?
[06:16:02] <Tom_L> yeah
[06:16:03] <XXCoder> nice
[06:16:18] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:17:20] <Tom_L> i might flip it over to do the chamfer on the bottom side
[06:17:24] <Tom_L> in the same fixture
[06:17:50] <jthornton> https://www.sherline.com
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[06:18:19] <Tom_L> right
[06:18:29] <jthornton> Please note that when using the 1/2″ x 1.2″ end mill holder (6083) or the 1/2″ x 2″ end mill holder (6086), be aware of the length of the shaft of your cutter. The hole through the spindle is .405″ so a long end mill would not be able to go through the spindle.
[06:18:32] <jthornton> interesting
[06:18:49] <Tom_L> :)
[06:19:01] <Tom_L> i had to cut the shank off on the thread mill
[06:19:34] <Tom_L> it's 5/8 shank
[06:19:38] <jthornton> ah that makes sense, I have to cut off a lot of tooling for the CHNC lathe turret
[06:20:11] <Tom_L> the diamond blade on the tile cutter didn't do the trick
[06:20:25] <jthornton> nice weather for the next few days 30's to 50's and sunny here
[06:20:28] <Tom_L> it cut regular tungsten fine
[06:20:44] <Tom_L> yeah, headin out this morning for the day
[06:21:48] <Tom_L> and i had to modify one of their holders to fit it
[06:22:52] <Tom_L> i can preset drills with these where i was limited to one with the chuck
[06:23:12] <jthornton> cool
[06:23:16] <Tom_L> hopefully they won't push up in the holder
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[06:24:01] <weenerdog> howdy
[06:24:17] <jthornton> my tool holders for the mill have a screw inside you can use to stop the tool from moving
[06:24:20] <Tom_L> that's quite an operation goin on at that mill
[06:24:29] <jthornton> yea pretty cool
[06:24:34] <Tom_L> i thought about that too
[06:24:43] <Tom_L> threading a grub screw inside
[06:24:47] <Tom_L> or something
[06:25:22] <jthornton> yea, on mine you set the screw then bottom the tool out and tighten the collet
[06:26:11] <Tom_L> with the vise i have limited z for long tools
[06:28:03] <Tom_L> first part was good, i had to adjust the major diameter by .002" for clearance
[06:28:22] <Tom_L> i may just add that in the macro so i can just enter the major, minor diameters
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[06:29:00] <Tom_L> so this was a test of the macro and thread milling on it
[06:29:21] <jthornton> sounds like your about to get it sorted out
[06:31:00] <Tom_L> in the end there will be 2 op stops to flip the part around in the vise
[06:36:54] <jthornton> weenerdog: I changed the transfer case actuator but it still does not move so I suspect the transfer case control module is forked but it half works because it does shift the rear motor
[06:38:34] <weenerdog> hm
[06:39:55] <jthornton> just gotta figure out how to get the left driver side vent out of the left cluster lol I have the 4w switch, headlight switch and the other thing but the vent is not being easy to get out
[06:40:07] <weenerdog> this is silly, but have you checked all your grounds?
[06:40:17] <jthornton> I can see the tccm clearly and it has to come out that way
[06:40:38] <jthornton> no
[06:41:04] <weenerdog> i cleaned up one bad ground on my blazer and it fixed all kinds of weird things
[06:43:18] <jthornton> http://repairguide.autozone.com
[06:43:32] <jthornton> lol just need to find where G110 ground point is
[06:46:00] <weenerdog> few things more fun than an old truck :)
[06:46:33] <jthornton> from googling I suspect it is on the transmission or similar
[06:49:50] <jthornton> hmm I think it might be on the left side of the frame near the front axle, I'll check that before ordering a tccm for sure
[06:50:11] <jthornton> http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com
[06:52:44] <XXCoder> heh watching a guy work on lathe on youtube... how the heck do people know when to stop threading, expecially if inside
[06:54:12] <gloops> thread counter + traverse stop
[06:54:27] <XXCoder> it stops by itself?
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[06:54:50] <gloops> on some lathes yeah you set a 'stop' to knock the traverse off
[06:55:01] <jthornton> yea my samson has at trip that disengages the feed but nothing for the half nut that I recall
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[06:57:06] <gloops> on the older lathes...you finish the cut by turning the chuck by hand lol
[06:57:35] <XXCoder> lol ok.
[06:58:16] <gloops> which isnt such a big deal, on mine the belt is vertical straight behind the headstock, just pull the belt to turn
[06:58:26] <XXCoder> hgonna love extreme engineering. https://www.youtube.com
[06:59:09] <XXCoder> portable air pressure pump.
[06:59:15] <gloops> im ready for a new lathe anyway, im going to get a boxford later in the year
[06:59:18] <XXCoder> so you can run air pressure stuff remotely
[07:00:37] <weenerdog> hey i can make one and power my woodsplitter after the apocalypse
[07:01:09] <XXCoder> basically.
[07:06:46] <jthornton> I have a hand pump splitter that my buddy gave me that his buddy gave him... doesn't work so well lol
[07:07:44] <jthornton> was thinking of making some kind of press out of the pump and cylinder...
[07:08:47] <XXCoder> heh no wonder it was regifted down the road :P
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[07:41:18] <Tom_L> wonder who will be next...
[07:42:04] <Tom_L> i had one of those hand pumps my bud gave me after he swapped it for an electric pump on his press
[07:42:13] <Tom_L> i also gave it away
[07:42:48] <Tom_L> it did keep the shelf underneath it clean for a bit
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[08:01:10] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[08:01:32] <weenerdog> noice
[08:01:54] <Tom_L> looks familiar
[08:02:23] <jthornton> yep
[08:02:56] <Tom_L> ok i'm off to KC
[08:03:44] <jthornton> have fun
[08:08:17] <weenerdog> have a good trip
[08:08:19] <jthornton> weenerdog: I converted my fermentation chiller to a seed germination chamber so my tomatoes seeds have 80°F temperature
[08:08:47] <weenerdog> sweet
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[08:18:44] <jthornton> I used the controller from the kegerator (no longer have it) to turn on a light and the circulation fan
[08:22:58] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
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[08:27:34] <weenerdog> raise the mast! keelhaul the hickory!
[08:29:30] <jthornton> yea I have a bunch of hickory to split
[08:31:53] <gloops> hickory for firewood!
[08:33:02] <jthornton> mostly 12" in diameter and under so too small to run through the mill
[08:33:29] <gloops> hard to find here
[08:34:22] <jthornton> I cut down some huge hickory, red oak and white oak trees to make my new shop
[08:35:47] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[08:36:03] <jthornton> the limb wood mostly http://gnipsel.com
[08:36:22] <gloops> handy to be able to do that lol
[08:36:40] <jthornton> that photo is after my buddy took some logs to his mill to cut into slabs
[08:37:27] <jthornton> yea it helps to have collected equipment like the JD 310A
[08:37:39] <gloops> i suppose on the downside youre probably a long way from a densely populated area where the wood would sell for top prices
[08:38:24] <jthornton> yea we are about the same distance from St. Louis, Memphis and Little Rock
[08:38:53] <jthornton> what we didn't use to make slabs I burned for firewood the last 3 years
[08:39:01] <jthornton> it's all gone now
[08:39:24] <weenerdog> this summer's fun project is solar heat for the house
[08:39:44] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[08:39:49] <gloops> well im just about to try the router out after bringing the PC back from the dead
[08:40:04] <weenerdog> already got an outdoor wood furnace, so most of the crap work for solar is done. ducts, heat exchanger, pex lines to house are there.
[08:40:12] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[08:40:14] <weenerdog> i just have to do the fun, sciency part
[08:40:22] <jthornton> cool
[08:40:51] <jthornton> I blew out all 4 tires on the ole hoe digging that hole out lol
[08:40:59] <weenerdog> outdoor wood furnaces succccccccccccccck
[08:41:00] <weenerdog> lol
[08:41:23] <weenerdog> it was already in. you cant cut wood fast enough to feed it. but it'll be easy to graft solar collectors onto it
[08:41:55] <weenerdog> use the same pump
[08:41:58] <jthornton> your's not very efficient?
[08:42:13] <weenerdog> it just burns the hell out of wood
[08:42:41] <weenerdog> i got a good stove in the living room that will keep the house nice on 6 sticks a day
[08:42:43] <weenerdog> no comparison
[08:43:16] <jthornton> yea that's odd that it burns so much
[08:43:35] <weenerdog> and i can bring in enough wood for 3 days and not leave my pajamas when the north wind blows
[08:44:06] <jthornton> this is the one I heat my machine shop with http://gnipsel.com
[08:44:48] <jthornton> this one got moved to the new shop http://gnipsel.com
[08:44:51] <weenerdog> mine is a big step top.
[08:45:31] <jthornton> I ran it so hot it's all warped on the inside from when the garage had no insulation and crappy door seals
[08:49:38] * jthornton should go start a fire in the shop its -1°C outside
[08:54:05] <weenerdog> i'm useless. tracy wants to go out of town somewhere. dunno where we'll go.
[08:54:58] <weenerdog> maybe hot springs
[08:55:15] <weenerdog> or ashevegas if she wants to shop lol
[08:58:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What is that thing? "Wonderwood"???
[09:00:10] <JT-Shop> yea
[09:02:55] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What is it, besides looking like something from the 60's ?
[09:05:12] <jthornton> weenerdog: is wood ash good for anything plant wise?
[09:05:45] <jthornton> Jymmm: google us stove wonderwood
[09:05:49] <pink_vampire> what "param_pin" mean in the spin box?
[09:05:58] <Jymmm> jthornton: Yes, keeps bugs away
[09:06:31] <weenerdog> jthornton, i grow my tomatos in the spots where i burn big brush piles and they do really well
[09:07:04] <weenerdog> i dunno. i toss mine. i dont make but maybe a 5 gallon bucket every month.
[09:07:47] <jthornton> I might add some to my raised bed planters when I remodel them
[09:07:50] <weenerdog> my living room stove burns better if it has maybe 5" of ash in the bottom.
[09:08:10] <weenerdog> check the ph of the dert in them
[09:08:10] <gloops> local diy shed surpassed himself, i asked him if his saw was reasonably square - yes, so i let him cut some box sides to correct length for me - 2mm out of square at 9 inch
[09:08:36] <weenerdog> for your convenience
[09:09:05] <jthornton> pink_vampire: If the param_pin field is set TRUE(1), a pin will be created that can be used to set the spinbox to an initial value and to remotely alter its value without HID input.
[09:09:12] <gloops> he charged me £2 for cutting lol, that was a real favour he did me
[09:09:28] <jthornton> should it be a bit acidic for tomatoes?
[09:09:39] <jthornton> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org
[09:10:02] <weenerdog> slightly acidic
[09:10:48] <pink_vampire> jthornton: so i need to make it unique to each spinbox?
[09:10:57] <weenerdog> thats cheap, gloops. £1 per mm.
[09:11:28] <jthornton> pink_vampire: it?
[09:11:31] <weenerdog> why, you'd fuss if they hung you with a brand new rope :)
[09:12:14] <pink_vampire> <param_pin>2</param_pin> ... <param_pin>3</param_pin>... etc
[09:12:24] <jthornton> pink_vampire: for example you could setp pyvcp.spinbox.0.param_pin 30 to change the value of spinbox 0
[09:12:26] <gloops> good job i didnt want 3ft boards lol
[09:12:44] <jthornton> pink_vampire: no 0 = false > 0 = true
[09:12:52] <jthornton> it's a true false pin
[09:13:06] <jthornton> you could put True, true, 1
[09:13:49] <jthornton> gloops: must have been the metric to imperial conversion...
[09:13:49] <pink_vampire> i nee now
[09:13:54] <pink_vampire> see*
[09:14:16] <pink_vampire> baby step
[09:14:20] <jthornton> so you could have a button for example to set the spinbox to a preset value
[09:14:47] <jthornton> or you could have an external input that sets the spinbox to a preset value
[09:16:02] <pink_vampire> so in that case you set it up above 1? 2.. 3.. etc?
[09:17:36] <jthornton> no either set it at 0 or 1
[09:18:08] <Jymmm> jthornton: I guess I don't know what a "wood Circular" is
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[09:19:49] <Jymmm> weenerdog: Take her to the tool store, she'll love that ;)
[09:20:30] <jthornton> set <param_pin>1</param_pin> for true or <param_pin>0</param_pin> for false
[09:20:30] <pink_vampire> i tried now 0, 1 and 2, and it act the same O_o
[09:20:45] <jthornton> one moment
[09:20:46] <weenerdog> Jymmm, she actually would
[09:20:57] <pink_vampire> ok, thanks
[09:23:18] <jthornton> pink_vampire: when you set <param_pin>0</param_pin> you no longer have the pin pyvcp.spinbox.0.param_pin
[09:23:58] <jthornton> when you set it to 1 pyvcp.spinbox.0.param_pin will be there
[09:24:16] <pink_vampire> i leaved it as 1
[09:25:43] <jthornton> weenerdog: last time we came up to NC we stayed in a cabin at Wears Valley... probably what you see everyday lol
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[09:37:52] <pink_vampire> is there a way to make the spinbox smaller?
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[09:44:17] <weenerdog> thats over near sevierville, tn jt?
[09:44:57] <weenerdog> we got a cabin there around christmas. its pretty.
[09:45:39] <weenerdog> its a little different looking here, jt. i'm in the highest part of the blue ridge mtns.
[10:13:37] <jthornton> weenerdog: it's inbetween maryville and pideon forge
[10:13:54] <weenerdog> ya
[10:14:00] <weenerdog> right on the pigeon river
[10:14:06] <jthornton> the spinbox size to some extent is determined by the container it's in
[10:14:08] <jthornton> aye
[10:15:10] <jthornton> to the south and at the very top of the mountain my bil's family have a cabin
[10:15:17] <weenerdog> the airb&b we got had a full bed with a footboard. both my gf and i are 6'3". it was like two mules trying to sleep on a poptart :) otherwise great trip
[10:15:33] <jthornton> lol
[10:15:54] * jthornton wanders out to the shop and start a fire
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[10:31:02] <fragalot> 'sup
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[10:58:20] <SpeedEvil> Pop the battery out, rinse in distilled water.
[10:58:34] <SpeedEvil> Dry at 80C for a week.
[11:00:23] <weenerdog> it mostly works. its junk anyhow... the samsung my carrier gives you for free lol
[11:00:44] <weenerdog> hasn't worked in 4g mode for a long time, just 3g.
[11:01:06] <weenerdog> i hope it dies. i'll get some cheap motorola.
[11:01:16] <weenerdog> first and last samsung i'll ever own
[11:01:25] <SpeedEvil> It is not unlikely to continue to worsen left on its own.
[11:02:08] <weenerdog> i will zero my .308 in with it :)
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[11:15:11] <fdarling> what is the best way to delay LinuxCNC trying to do anything with the servos after "turning the machine on"? I ask because I am working with a strangely wired machine that actually turns the servo drives on/off entirely including the logic on the drives
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[11:16:57] <fdarling> I understand that there is a timedelay block, but I'm not sure what signals I should be hooking it up to it. There is motion.enable, but it sounds like it'll error out if I use that, and there is motion.feed-inhibit, but I don't want to inhibit just feed necessarily, I want it to not even try to do anything with the servos (including hold position)
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[11:26:57] <fdarling> does motion.feed-inhibit actually turn off servo control (command zero velocity, but not regulate position) or does it try to hold position like "pause" would?
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[11:32:28] <gregcnc> it looks like the latter http://linuxcnc.org
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[12:36:07] <fdarling> there seem to be very few results online about how to do this, and it seems like it would be a common issue :-/
[12:36:56] <fdarling> I need to separate the request to initiate powering up the machine from the signal that the machine is fully powered up and ready to start controlling axes
[12:37:09] <fdarling> it doesn't seem like it's separated like that though...
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[12:53:51] <_unreal_> sweet.. my computer end is more or less finished
[12:54:05] <_unreal_> the only thing I need to do now is to get the parallel port stuff solved
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[13:30:19] <net|> www.grandgallery.net << royalty free erotic site. maybe someone has spair video's/pictures to upload. oops wrong channel
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[14:01:38] <R2E4> evening morning afternoon
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[14:13:50] <ve7it> g'day!
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[14:26:27] <gloops> German by any chance ve7it?
[14:27:31] <ve7it> no.... a bred and born Canadian!
[14:27:59] <gloops> ahh right, just wondered about the greeting
[14:29:12] <ve7it> it was my attempt at an auzzie greeting
[14:33:32] <gloops> lol, very good for a first try
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[14:40:30] <jthornton> damn DCCM is in sight but I can only pull it out 1/2" then it hits a steel support... I wish I had purchased the shop manual when I bought the truck
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[14:43:22] <Laminae_> I'm making some really large gfrc molds out of extruded polystyrene insulation foam. I see a lot of examples of people maching with smaller endmills, anyone tried going to town with a one inch endmill?
[14:43:41] <Laminae_> If so, what kinda speeds?
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[14:50:07] <pink_vampire> i did with 3/4" endmill in polystyrene
[14:50:13] <pink_vampire> Laminae_: ^
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[14:51:09] <Laminae_> Hey pink, been a while. How did it go? i'm cutting down to a depth of 4 inches and i'd love to move material fast
[14:51:39] <Laminae_> And how clean were you results and did you just use a basic 2 flute carbide?
[14:52:03] <pink_vampire> no
[14:52:09] <pink_vampire> just 4 F hss
[14:53:10] <Laminae_> Were the cuts reasonably clean at speed?
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[14:53:34] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[14:53:47] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[14:53:47] <Laminae_> My biggest limiting factor on this whole thing is that it takes a huge amount of time to rip these molds
[14:54:01] <Laminae_> If i can speed it up i'm willing to try anything
[14:54:08] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[14:54:32] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[14:54:36] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[14:54:38] <Laminae_> That's very nice for expanded foam
[14:54:46] <Laminae_> I bet it would be much cleaner on extruded too
[14:55:18] <Laminae_> Any chance you could guess your feed rate?
[14:55:34] <pink_vampire> the fastest
[14:55:49] <pink_vampire> i was done with 1000 rpm
[14:56:01] <Laminae_> Awesome, that's wha ti wanted to heare
[14:56:03] <Laminae_> hear*
[14:56:30] <pink_vampire> it is foam after all
[14:56:33] <Laminae_> I was debating blowing a ton of cash on osrund mills but even the result you had is great for my application
[14:56:52] <Laminae_> I was more concerned about the foam deflecting
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[14:56:54] <Laminae_> or melting
[14:57:08] <Laminae_> Just not giving an accurate end product
[14:57:24] <pink_vampire> with my 60K it is just cut foam like air
[14:57:58] <pink_vampire> but the largest end mill i tried was 1/8" 4f
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[14:59:49] <Laminae_> I've been using a 1/4 o flute
[15:00:00] <gloops> foam breasts?
[15:00:05] <Laminae_> Haha
[15:00:19] <gloops> are these for your own use Laminae?
[15:00:25] <Laminae_> I'm actually making speaker enclosures
[15:00:42] <gloops> ahh right, thats believable
[15:00:46] <pink_vampire> nehhh
[15:01:20] <Laminae_> I think i linked you guys that nixie tube clock i made a while ago, someone ended up linking to my pics about how i should chekc out this dude Modustrial Maker on youtube
[15:01:33] <Laminae_> And man they were damn right, i love the stuff he makes
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[15:02:01] <pink_vampire> link?
[15:02:08] <Laminae_> And people have had interest in buying some of the things i've made in the past but there was no way i could make them and sell those at a reasonable price
[15:02:44] <gloops> Ichs had some good stuff going with the hot wire cutter for foam
[15:03:14] <pink_vampire> http://s3images.coroflot.com
[15:03:37] <gloops> if its just for decorations there is some demand for events, like weddings, huge letters, columns hearts etc
[15:06:16] <gloops> hot wire = much quicker and cleaner, doesnt need a strong machine, you can knock something up out of wood, no resistance with cutting
[15:08:08] <Laminae_> https://imgur.com
[15:08:19] <Laminae_> I know you guys hate instagram so i put it on imgur real fast
[15:08:31] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com
[15:08:41] <Laminae_> Can't really use a hot wire for this project
[15:08:45] <Laminae_> I would love to have one though
[15:09:10] <Laminae_> Could make the speaker exterior maybe
[15:09:12] <gloops> very good Laminae, i need to get into led stuff
[15:09:56] <Laminae_> Thanks! i only assembled the kit though and made the enclosure, the rest is all someone a lot smarter than me
[15:10:03] <gloops> well you can add a hot wire to the z axis, use a small cutter shape as opposed to a cheesewire technique, thats how ichs did it, on 4 axis
[15:10:37] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[15:10:38] <gloops> i havent got room for huge foam blocks though heh
[15:11:15] <Laminae_> I am just now able to expand my cutting area, i got a new x axis actuator
[15:11:36] <Laminae_> It's been a few months since i got it, did i tell you guys the horror story?
[15:12:28] <gloops> if you did i wasnt here, what happened?
[15:13:31] <Laminae_> Heh
[15:13:56] <Laminae_> SO i really wanted a 30in x axis and it just so happens parker daedal makes some sweet actuators
[15:14:24] <Laminae_> I saw one in really good condition for 500 bucks on ebay, said it came with a nema 23 mount
[15:14:45] <Laminae_> So i bought it (plus shipping) and when it arrived it WAS NOT a nema 23 mount
[15:14:59] <Laminae_> And you can't really get those mounts anywhere
[15:15:29] <Laminae_> So i contacted the buyer who was very appologetic and said he would give me half the money back if i just kept it
[15:16:16] <Laminae_> SO i downloaded a model of the one i had and the one i needed aaaaan realized buried in the mass of metal i could dig out the motor i needed... maybe
[15:17:01] <Laminae_> And if you guys remember i'm still just a strub greenie on the cnc router stuff, much more comfortable on co2 lasers and 3d printers but i decided i was going to do it
[15:17:35] <gloops> and it worked out ok?
[15:18:13] <Laminae_> Well, it wasn't pretty but take a look: https://imgur.com
[15:19:21] <gloops> that looks ok to me, and if it functions as intended, thats that
[15:19:22] <Laminae_> I moved the air nozzle for the camera there, but all i used was cooling air and it came out okay, i didn't really have any short 1/4in endmills so.... i just kept it light
[15:20:14] <pink_vampire> what is the rpm? feed? doc?
[15:20:37] <gloops> that looks like a decently heavy cut for a router
[15:21:26] <Laminae_> I'd have to open fusion, i don't remember haha, i basically copied the maritool mid range rates and went to town
[15:22:19] <Laminae_> My router isn't great, but all the actuators are parker linear actuators and i am working them waaaay under what they are rate for
[15:22:53] <Laminae_> That machine started life as a openbuilds c beam xl and i realized i was asking way too much of it
[15:23:45] <Laminae_> So i scrapped those flimsy polycarbonate wheel bearing actuators and put the parker ones in their place and put plates on either side and added an exuded bed
[15:24:22] <Laminae_> I cut stuff for vacuum forming a lot and a little bit of cf plate
[15:24:39] <Laminae_> Although sadly the flood tank i made for cf was crashed into
[15:24:54] <Laminae_> Because i was an idiot and now i need to build another
[15:36:52] <gloops> well, im not cutting a lot at all atm, although did start 3 beehive brood boxes earlier, too busy with other stuff for a couple of weeks
[15:44:14] <Laminae_> Ooh, i've always thought bee keeping was pretty cool
[15:44:26] <Laminae_> You one of those people that doesn't wear any protective gear?
[15:48:42] <gloops> no..im not haha
[15:49:26] <gloops> i always wear gloves, i dont mind having a quick look with nothing else, but if its more than i look i cover my head
[15:54:14] <Laminae_> You ever make your own soap or lotion with the wax?
[15:54:23] <Laminae_> I've always thought that was cool
[15:56:25] <gloops> no not done much of that kind of stuff, for the past few years ive done little more than keep the couple of hives ive got going, i am going to try expanding a little though with it heh
[15:56:34] <gloops> all ive done
[16:01:55] <Laminae_> Sounds like a big project as it is
[16:35:54] <_unreal_> is anyone good a compiling kernels?
[16:37:10] <_unreal_> ?
[16:41:02] <gloops> i know Tom_L and jthornton do it regularly, probably quite a few people in here
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[16:46:09] <andypugh> I am calibrating my faro arm
[16:46:23] <andypugh> Using my NSK megatorque as a protractor.
[16:47:04] <_unreal_> hum
[16:47:26] <_unreal_> gloops, just trying to find someone that can give me a hand getting the a kernel compiled
[16:47:42] <_unreal_> for my armbian system
[16:47:56] <andypugh> Which kernel?
[16:48:17] <andypugh> https://photos.app.goo.gl
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[16:49:03] <andypugh> The Megatorque is just being used as a handy bearing and super-accurate encoder (the serial display shows angle to 0.01 degrees)
[16:50:34] <_unreal_> andypugh, realtime
[16:50:47] <_unreal_> andypugh, https://www.armbian.com
[16:51:08] <_unreal_> https://www.armbian.com link from page in pryer link
[16:52:23] <_unreal_> andypugh, looking at photo, interesting... no idea what I'm looking at but interesting :)
[16:52:41] <andypugh> Anything helpful here? https://github.com
[16:53:16] <_unreal_> I noticed the pendent, I have a whb04b-6 I want to setup to use with linuxcnc but I cant get linuxcnc setup till I get the damn real time kernel built for the tinker board
[16:53:56] <_unreal_> andypugh, :) thanks for the link I have looked at that location before, my issue is I dont have a system that I can compile on... and I cant seem to get VM to work on this system..
[16:54:21] <_unreal_> I'm not about to take down this system put a different harddrive in JUST to install ubuntu to compile one kernel
[16:54:23] <andypugh> That pendant is just a serial terminal. (kind of cool in that sense). The NSK drive is serial-commanded
[16:54:33] <_unreal_> nice
[16:56:02] <andypugh> Can’t you compile on the tinkerboard? (Patience might be needed)
[16:56:13] <_unreal_> no
[16:56:23] <_unreal_> there is no environment bilt for it
[16:56:40] <_unreal_> andypugh, https://www.armbian.com
[16:56:48] <_unreal_> links to this https://docs.armbian.com
[16:57:41] <andypugh> Ah, well, looks like you are out of luck then.
[16:58:20] <andypugh> Unless you can install a non-VM version of Bionic on “this system” (whatever that is)
[16:58:40] <_unreal_> not with out swapping harddrives and I am not taking my main computer off line
[16:58:58] <_unreal_> I need it for work
[16:59:52] <andypugh> Well it does sound like the combination of your limitations and the limittations of those build instructions mean that it is impossile.
[17:00:06] <andypugh> So, you need to change one or the other.
[17:00:48] <_unreal_> this computer is a dual boot fedora/win10
[17:00:57] <_unreal_> I cant seem to get vm to work
[17:00:59] <_unreal_> never have
[17:01:05] <_unreal_> always get kernel errors
[17:01:24] <_unreal_> https://docs.armbian.com
[17:01:36] <_unreal_> Failed to open a session for the virtual machine ubuntu bionic.
[17:03:16] <andypugh> What OS is on the Tinkerboard?
[17:08:10] <_unreal_> !? heh did you look at the links ?
[17:09:58] <andypugh> A bit
[17:10:42] <andypugh> Just wondering what happens if you attempt to build on the Tinkerboard
[17:11:26] <andypugh> Otherwise the obvious conclusion is that it is impossible for you to build a realtime kernel.
[17:12:19] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: nice foam milling video! like the vacuum system. whole shop'd be white without it!
[17:13:29] <_unreal_> https://www.armbian.com
[17:13:43] <pink_vampire> i want to cut something with my sine plate
[17:17:01] <andypugh> _unreal_: I am not sure what you wnat from us?
[17:17:02] <_unreal_> andypugh, using armbian-config a CLI scrip util
[17:17:29] <_unreal_> there is a thing that says switch to other kernels
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[17:18:00] <_unreal_> that link I JUST posted do you see any RT-preempt kernel options?
[17:18:26] <_unreal_> I'm not using beta.
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[17:19:54] <_unreal_> for all I know I could be looking at it and not realize it
[17:20:44] <andypugh> I don’t see any obvious kernels at all
[17:22:21] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: HMM dunno what angled thing do you want to make?
[17:23:03] <pink_vampire> something with the C axis and the sine plate
[17:23:34] <pink_vampire> 4+1 machining
[17:24:43] <andypugh> _unreal_: You could try looking in here: https://beta.armbian.com
[17:24:46] <R2E4> hi All
[17:25:22] <R2E4> hey andypugh: thanks for pointing out my error in the remap
[17:25:40] <andypugh> It was just a guess :-)
[17:26:07] <XXCoder> pink cool, you will have ideas evenually :)
[17:26:26] <pink_vampire> mm yeah
[17:26:53] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to fit an image in to pyvcp
[17:27:42] <_unreal_> is linux-xenial-root-next-tinkerboard/ 10-Mar-2019 21:10 pre-empt?
[17:27:55] <andypugh> I doubt it
[17:28:09] <R2E4> andypugh: was a good one...lol
[17:28:27] <andypugh> I found that folder with a google seach “linux-image site:beta.armbian.com"
[17:28:36] <R2E4> Everything is working now. offsets tools drills.
[17:29:01] <andypugh> A search for “preempt site:beta.armbian.com” doesn’t find anything
[17:30:59] <R2E4> Was thinking of writing up a section for pure python remap so JT can add it.It is a bit different from ngc remap and if you implement the ngc remap using python it doesnt work.
[17:31:41] <R2E4> THere is no pure python remaps in the examples or docs.
[17:31:48] <R2E4> that I could find.
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[17:51:12] <Tom_L> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[17:53:10] <Tom_L> maybe not alot of help
[17:54:09] <Tom_L> https://github.com
[17:54:15] <Tom_L> not sure about that one
[17:57:51] <Tom_L> more and better docs is always a good thing...
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[18:11:06] <R2E4> The second one is standard glue file. But that one is not good. it has the stand return according to the docs needs yield. but pure python yield doesnt work eiother at least not during an M6.
[18:11:26] <Tom_L> ok
[18:11:26] <R2E4> Thats what I found. Maybe I should have said pure python M6 remap.
[18:11:42] <Tom_L> i've only done one remap so i'm no expert by any means
[18:12:03] <Tom_L> and i don't do python
[18:12:05] <Tom_L> :)
[18:12:14] <Tom_L> wish i did
[18:12:32] <R2E4> I did one a couple years ago in 2017, and I tried it on new master and it didnt work. I just spent a week figuring out why.
[18:13:50] <R2E4> But standard glue is broken with pure python M6 remap.
[18:14:33] <Tom_L> ok
[18:17:51] <R2E4> gotta run c-ya
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[18:29:55] <Deejay> gn8
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[19:09:34] <andypugh> These potentiometers in the Faro arm joints look very linear.
[19:09:57] <andypugh> Which you would expect, I bet that it was hard to linearise in software in the 80s.
[19:11:32] <andypugh> The annoying thing here is that every time I get up out of the chair I pick up a static charge. I am having to take an allen key with me to the Faro arm to make discharing not hurt.
[19:12:24] <Tom_L> i thought UK was more humid than that...
[19:12:44] <andypugh> It is pelting down with rain outside.
[19:14:56] <andypugh> Though my weather-station thing only reckong 43% RH
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[19:33:30] <pink_vampire> hi
[19:34:03] <pink_vampire> is there a way to get how much time left for the gcode?
[19:35:00] <gloops> check the current line number and work it out as a percentage from that?
[19:35:22] <pink_vampire> i want the time
[19:35:29] <pink_vampire> like a microwave
[19:35:59] <gloops> do you want it to go 'ding ding' when its finished?
[19:36:20] <Wolf__> buy a commercial cnc machine
[19:36:44] <Wolf__> they probably have code cycle time display
[19:36:56] <XXCoder> nah not even there
[19:37:11] <Wolf__> really?
[19:37:15] <gloops> if you have 100 lines of code, and 50 lines took 30 minutes, you make a guestimation of there being 30 minutes left
[19:37:22] <XXCoder> you could run gcode in sim with same speed for rapid etc as real one it can estimate time total
[19:37:39] <pink_vampire> gloops: i already implemented a beep at the end
[19:37:49] <XXCoder> Wolf__: cycle time is useful only if you run more than one.
[19:37:58] <XXCoder> one offs its useless
[19:38:06] <gloops> knock a little script up and make a panel readout
[19:38:07] <pink_vampire> i have even beep for the probe
[19:38:08] <Wolf__> yeah, get the total time from CAM sim, then run a countdown timer?
[19:38:19] <gloops> in fact there may be one on the website
[19:38:38] <Wolf__> time by gcode line count wouldnt work
[19:38:40] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: but i also do probing stuff
[19:38:52] <Wolf__> one line could be 1 cm or 1 mt of cut
[19:38:54] <andypugh> pink_vampire: In the Axis GUI look at “file properties"
[19:39:00] <andypugh> Gives a runtime
[19:39:26] <pink_vampire> andypugh: is there a way to get it from a hal pin?
[19:39:35] <gloops> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[19:40:15] <pink_vampire> i know about the option in the gcode properties
[19:40:19] <andypugh> No. And it is actually a bit inaccurate
[19:40:22] <gloops> i didnt know there was a runtime on the UI - ill chck that tommorrow
[19:40:35] <XXCoder> maybe add event to m30 to pin out
[19:40:43] <XXCoder> you can then wire that pin to whatever/
[19:40:52] <andypugh> But there are cycle time display options in the forum
[19:42:23] <pink_vampire> http://linuxcnc.org
[19:42:58] <gloops> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[19:43:12] <XXCoder> sometimes developer sets run time to be riciously wrong lol
[19:43:23] <XXCoder> like 10 minutes but actually takes approxately 17 minutes
[19:43:33] <XXCoder> machine tool changes take time, etc
[19:44:13] <XXCoder> some machines is configured to place table at certain x Y in order to rotate on B for example that takes bit extra time
[19:44:54] <Wolf__> that may be the cam soft not adding time for the tool changes
[19:48:53] <andypugh> The estimate takes no account of accel time, so short segments that run slower than programmed take longer. It is purely path length and feed.
[19:51:25] <pink_vampire> LOL after all this work in the pyvcp, it is counting up
[19:52:52] * jthornton is the father of time
[19:53:11] <XXCoder> jthornton: you owe me for all the wasted time!!
[19:53:13] <XXCoder> ;)
[19:53:27] <jthornton> lol, time.comp that is
[19:56:51] <gloops> think of it more as a cnc sun dial, than a quartz clock pink_vampire
[19:59:39] <pink_vampire> i need to not afraid and do the step, remove a kidney and get a Datron
[20:00:01] <XXCoder> dental milling machine
[20:00:09] <XXCoder> https://www.datron.com
[20:00:18] <pink_vampire> the m8 is very nice
[20:00:26] <pink_vampire> even the m7 is fine
[20:00:37] <pink_vampire> even the neo
[20:00:51] <XXCoder> not bad'
[20:01:03] <XXCoder> it doesnt say price which means I cant afford it.
[20:01:11] <jthornton> lol
[20:02:10] <pink_vampire> it is between one kidney to half a liver
[20:02:12] <XXCoder> few used ones on offering. still does not list price
[20:02:20] <XXCoder> liver is better, it regrows.
[20:02:51] <gloops> expensive as a toy, not if you have work for it
[20:03:04] <pink_vampire> so maybe we have a solution
[20:03:06] <gloops> make a business plan and see the bank manager
[20:03:17] <gloops> once youve got the machine you can throw the plan away
[20:03:38] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: company I work for is selling old fadal for $2000, or haas office mill for $25,000
[20:03:47] <XXCoder> cheaper than orginial price of $60,000 lol
[20:04:23] <pink_vampire> dose it come with a shed and toilet?
[20:04:25] <XXCoder> office mill is ok for sometimes use, and it uses 220v and not phase 3 power. very not recommanded for prod tho lol
[20:04:53] <XXCoder> its very small. ie: fit in your closet small
[20:05:00] <XXCoder> but also very messy machine lol
[20:05:12] <pink_vampire> i need only 3 things, roof, cnc and a toilet
[20:05:13] <Wolf__> small, so not Cat50? :P
[20:05:20] <XXCoder> cat10?
[20:05:23] <jthornton> no sink?
[20:05:39] <XXCoder> i dont know what name of toolholders it use but i can almost hide it with my hand.
[20:05:51] <XXCoder> only tool sticking out of fist
[20:06:15] <pink_vampire> jthornton: a real machinist use m07
[20:07:19] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[20:07:22] <XXCoder> lol
[20:07:29] <jthornton> no, real machinists use M8! FLOOD
[20:07:52] <XXCoder> LOL! https://www.ebay.co.uk
[20:08:09] <XXCoder> you can see my tool cart in refection
[20:08:21] * jthornton resists clicking on the links
[20:08:30] <XXCoder> 28k usd
[20:09:00] <XXCoder> inside picture shows fixtures for parts that I made thousand of in that damned machine
[20:09:13] <Wolf__> iso20 spindle, yeah thats pretty small
[20:09:36] <XXCoder> its very funny to see my tool cart in refection
[20:10:00] <pink_vampire> where??
[20:10:12] <XXCoder> first picture, off refection from window
[20:10:21] <XXCoder> you can see big black cart
[20:10:54] <XXCoder> second one also
[20:11:12] <pink_vampire> O_O?
[20:11:15] <pink_vampire> no idea
[20:11:27] <XXCoder> its not very clear refection yeah
[20:11:39] <XXCoder> on second picture you can see doors on bottom
[20:11:44] <XXCoder> its a chip drawer doors.
[20:11:57] <XXCoder> inside it theres coolant spray hose that often leaks
[20:12:36] <pink_vampire> thx for the info, i will ask for a discount.
[20:12:40] <XXCoder> one of flaws is that chips could be blown up inside rear column and then inferences with metal sensor there, messing with z
[20:13:05] <XXCoder> never use air hose to blow around chips on bottom. only table and tool
[20:13:29] <pink_vampire> it is like the hass version of the g0704
[20:14:21] <XXCoder> BTW my cart is exactly same as this one https://www.youtube.com
[20:14:24] <XXCoder> I love it.
[20:14:34] <XXCoder> mine is now nearly 4 years old.
[20:14:46] <pink_vampire> nice!
[20:14:58] <pink_vampire> i have the 39$ HF one
[20:15:09] <XXCoder> mine was $660 with taxes
[20:15:22] <XXCoder> kenndy ones sold at shop is $800 for small one. HAH!
[20:15:37] <XXCoder> i said fuck it and get black one. love it since
[20:16:16] <pink_vampire> https://www.harborfreight.com
[20:16:20] <pink_vampire> my cart
[20:16:39] <XXCoder> thats perfect for place thats all yours
[20:16:55] <XXCoder> i need to lock my stuff on.
[20:16:56] <XXCoder> in
[20:17:25] <pink_vampire> i have no stuff
[20:17:37] <XXCoder> video shows same issue i have with mine, alum runners getting loose. thankfully mione is small drawer while his is big drawer. ouch.
[20:19:26] <_unreal_> there tarted a github https://github.com
[20:19:34] <Wolf__> $800 https://i.imgur.com =P
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[20:20:05] <XXCoder> Wolf__: precisely.
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[20:20:17] <XXCoder> those carts is very common at shop.
[20:20:18] <_unreal_> Wolf__, where are you located looks cold
[20:20:18] <Wolf__> w/ https://i.imgur.com
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[20:20:39] <pink_vampire> vape included! nice
[20:20:40] <elmo40> Wolf__, $800, with all the keys?
[20:20:40] <Wolf__> they were full lol
[20:20:43] <elmo40> that is a good buy
[20:20:58] <XXCoder> with tools yeah very good deal
[20:21:09] <XXCoder> elmo40: single one on right is $800 new lol
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[20:21:14] <XXCoder> (cart no tools)
[20:21:50] <elmo40> i have the top one on the left. cost me $300, used, with various minor tools (1,2,3 blocks, old verniers... )
[20:21:57] <Wolf__> https://imgur.com more then one drawer
[20:22:07] <jthornton> Wolf__: nice real kennedy chests
[20:22:35] <jthornton> I have the imitation of the upper left one
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[20:22:38] <XXCoder> jt i dont know appeal of kenndy lol I love my kirkland one :P
[20:24:12] <norias> eh
[20:24:27] <norias> i'm thinking about getting a Kennedy as a "backup" box
[20:24:37] <jthornton> I'm not sure of the brand of mine but it's the same color as the kennedy and the exact shape
[20:24:39] <Wolf__> I got mine used and full of stuff, otherwise they arent all that great in the way of tool boxes IMO
[20:24:54] <norias> I might find some industrious wood worker to pay to re-do my old Gerstner
[20:24:57] <Wolf__> https://imgur.com other used box, IIRC $175 for that one
[20:27:03] <XXCoder> Wolf__: ehh some rust but not bad
[20:27:20] <XXCoder> nice bunch of calipers etc
[20:27:33] <XXCoder> old but if still certifable..
[20:27:33] <Wolf__> yeah, digital mic was dead and one of the last word didn’t work, not that I use them ever
[20:28:00] <XXCoder> dial test indictors look very old.
[20:28:13] <XXCoder> wouldnt use it, though maube good for cool display
[20:28:33] <Wolf__> for home shop, imo vidmar cabinets > tool boxes
[20:28:54] <XXCoder> can tell too much humdifity where it was stored for while
[20:29:06] <Wolf__> it was on a exposed car port...
[20:29:24] <Wolf__> _unreal_: Maryland
[20:30:48] <Wolf__> ugh, heard today that my building permit may take over 3months to get approved when I go to do it =/
[20:31:23] <XXCoder> bleh
[20:32:03] <Wolf__> may have to switch to a wood post frame building
[20:32:08] <andypugh> Just been looking at pictures of a Rivett lathe on the oak stand that spent 3 days in 2’ of water after Hurricane Harvery.
[20:32:31] <pink_vampire> ?
[20:32:36] <andypugh> The oak stand looks past its best
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[20:33:12] <jthornton> from Texas?
[20:34:20] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: btw if wondering how much office mill weights its 1500lb lol
[20:34:43] <jthornton> that's pretty lite
[20:34:53] <Wolf__> damn thats lighter then my jet I think
[20:35:25] <XXCoder> yeah but tad heavy for apartment floor lol
[20:36:39] <jthornton> if it fits in the elevator your ok
[20:37:09] <Wolf__> also lighter then the pool table I’m putting in my living room lol
[20:38:07] <Wolf__> I think...
[20:40:32] <Wolf__> I was off, its only 1168 lbs worth of pool table lol
[20:41:27] <XXCoder> lol
[20:41:40] <XXCoder> i want pool table but man no room and how often will i play on it? eh
[20:42:22] <Wolf__> yeah they take up a large amount of room
[20:42:49] <Wolf__> 9’ table especially lol
[20:44:52] <Wolf__> room for it is suggested 15’ x19’ with no obstructions around it…
[20:46:50] <XXCoder> fun
[20:49:32] <andypugh> Try fitting in a full-size snooker table
[20:50:03] <Wolf__> haha, I know that wont fit, front part of my house isnt wide enough
[20:50:10] <andypugh> 356.9cm (11 feet 8.5 inches) by 177.8 (5 feet 10 inches)
[20:50:32] <XXCoder> if I recall right in star wars there was pool that was literally full of water amd some balls
[20:50:38] <XXCoder> no idea how that game worked lol
[20:51:25] <Wolf__> one of the pool halls I frequented while growing up has a full sized snooker table
[20:51:59] <Wolf__> s/has/had…
[20:52:42] <Wolf__> closed probably 20 years almost now =/
[20:54:03] <XXCoder> amazing, with armies of fanbois commenting on dent on millenium falcon screen, nobody commented on water pool thing
[20:54:21] <Wolf__> lol
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[21:10:33] <norias> i kinda want a vacuum former
[21:10:36] <norias> seem useful
[21:16:18] <jdh> make one
[21:16:38] <XXCoder> theres youtube channel showing that
[21:17:14] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com tons annoying animations
[21:17:45] <XXCoder> better https://www.youtube.com
[21:20:15] <norias> eh.
[21:20:21] <norias> don't know if i have time to make one
[21:21:09] <XXCoder> handcam, but doesnt need oven https://www.youtube.com
[21:21:18] <XXCoder> he uses wood box with 2 heaters inside it
[21:22:56] <XXCoder> finally found it. norias https://www.youtube.com
[21:23:13] <XXCoder> all in one solution thats way simpler. harder to make but once have easy to use
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[21:40:34] <XXCoder> norias: what sizes did you want? theres dentures ones thats quite small lol all over aliexpress last I looked
[21:40:50] <norias> yeah, i have to figure that out
[21:41:21] <XXCoder> LOL https://www.aliexpress.com
[21:45:10] <norias> perfect
[21:45:13] <norias> lol
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[21:50:01] <Tom_itx> ok i kicked the feed up a notch: https://www.youtube.com
[21:50:10] <XXCoder> anyway the dentires one I think has square footage of 3" side or so
[21:50:13] <XXCoder> not very large
[21:57:15] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com nice!@
[21:57:21] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: nice :)
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[22:28:28] <Tom_L> just not sure how hard to push them
[22:29:42] <Tom_L> Lcvette?
[22:43:45] <Lcvette> Push it
[22:46:59] <Lcvette> Tom_L: the closer you get to finished depth the more engagement you have, so you can use a deeper first pass and leave a lighter end pass so it has the same load on the tool both passes
[22:47:53] <Lcvette> But keep cranking out up, you aren't going to hurt that big thread mill
[22:48:29] <Lcvette> Run it at 0.001" ipt
[22:48:48] <Lcvette> Rpm wide open
[22:51:13] <Lcvette> You'll dull it from under feeding it before you hurt it from over feeding it
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[23:42:51] <renesis> first race 2019 f1 in 90 minutes
[23:44:15] <ziper> for months i have though torno was a brand
[23:44:21] <ziper> but its actually just lathe in spanish
[23:51:43] <renesis> seems like the equivalent of a 'turny' in english