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[04:58:11] <PL7icnc> Morning from Germany Heavy Winds Outside
[04:58:23] <PL7icnc> gloops, are You Sir Online
[04:58:32] <XXCoder> hey
[04:58:47] <PL7icnc> XXCoder, hi Sir
[04:59:23] <gloops> hi, yes im here
[04:59:40] <PL7icnc> I uploaded now 100+ Videos from Ich... the member Who Died last Year
[05:00:09] <gloops> oh thanks very much! im sure a lot of people will appreciate them
[05:00:18] <gloops> ive not looked on youtube for a while
[05:00:23] <PL7icnc> Mr gloops are You in the Forum also Present
[05:00:36] <gloops> not so often in the forum
[05:01:18] <PL7icnc> I need Someone that Post in the SHOW Room to my posts that bring them of the NO Replay list
[05:01:35] <PL7icnc> its only a showroom not a ACTIVE discussion
[05:02:19] <PL7icnc> Just a simple NICE , Well Done Thats Ugly whatever
[05:02:30] <PL7icnc> e Replay brings it of the list
[05:03:08] <gloops> hmm, i dont know how it works tbh
[05:03:36] <gloops> how about you XXCoder?
[05:03:57] <XXCoder> no idea unfortunately
[05:04:09] <PL7icnc> Mr gloops are You in Europa
[05:04:18] <gloops> yes im in the UK
[05:04:42] <gloops> in europe for another 12 days lol
[05:04:53] <PL7icnc> Oh Nice so extended Service from 29th
[05:05:11] <PL7icnc> HERE is the list -> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[05:05:23] <PL7icnc> id like to keep the NGC tread on the list
[05:05:35] <PL7icnc> YUST replay whatever
[05:06:39] <gloops> right so if i reply on the no reply posts, they come off the no reply list
[05:06:44] <gloops> thats easy enough
[05:06:51] <PL7icnc> Mr gloops we Will go to a School Trip to the UK this Year
[05:07:09] <gloops> very nice, London?
[05:07:17] <PL7icnc> Ofcause
[05:07:35] <gloops> plenty to see there
[05:07:50] <gloops> im not near London im further north
[05:07:51] <PL7icnc> I Have been 4 Times there
[05:08:18] <gloops> there was someone nearby in here, cant remember his name
[05:08:25] <PL7icnc> Compare to World Capitols it is OLD
[05:08:45] <gloops> some old buildings yes, it is changing fast though
[05:09:00] <gloops> as is everywhere
[05:09:11] <PL7icnc> Around the Olimpics last Time NEW Citys
[05:09:54] <PL7icnc> Mr gloops you Personel Thinking of the Brexit
[05:10:27] <gloops> difficult not to - its on the news 24/7, most people just want it done now
[05:10:52] <gloops> it is causing serious upset with our government system
[05:11:31] <gloops> not leaving thats causing trouble, the arguments over leaving
[05:11:51] <PL7icnc> 4times the SAME Vote is Realy not the Best Way to show the World we are a Leader and can Solve things
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[05:12:06] <gloops> no, and another one this week
[05:12:38] <PL7icnc> I need to Move on Thank you for the Informations
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[05:12:44] <gloops> there is some talk she might get it through this time - i really doubt it
[05:13:29] <gloops> they dont want a deal, they dont want no deal, they dont want another referendum, they dont want an extension lol
[05:15:03] <Wolf__> big government showing what they do when faced by the will of the people...
[05:16:16] <gloops> very true
[05:16:53] <gloops> the they usually operate is that they tell us a load of BS about what theyre going to do, we elect them, then they do whatever want
[05:17:16] <gloops> but then they get a direct instruction from the people - they have no idea how to deal with it
[05:20:58] <Wolf__> feed the people BS and try to no do it
[05:21:01] <Wolf__> no/not
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[05:35:24] <gloops> well, nearly half way with this one https://ibb.co
[05:36:22] <Wolf__> cool
[05:36:56] <XXCoder> looks nice. one of types of stuff I wanna try make.
[05:40:03] <gloops> lot of dots to pull lol, funny though when you get the hang of it just about anything looks makeable
[05:40:28] <XXCoder> i have seen so many very strange parts I know basically anything is makable
[05:40:51] <XXCoder> just easier with more axis
[05:41:13] <XXCoder> at work extremely common is prep, op A, then op B
[05:41:26] <XXCoder> fairly rarely prep then just A (breakaway parts)
[05:41:32] <XXCoder> and rarer way more ops
[05:41:40] <gloops> yeah thats the limit - the number of cutting axis
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[05:53:15] <XXCoder> gloops: more IOS heh https://boingboing.net
[05:55:35] <XXCoder> right timing it can destroy millions of dollars worth of people
[05:55:43] <XXCoder> *stuff and kill people
[05:57:39] <gloops> not much use phoning the cops if one of those is on the rampage lol
[05:57:50] <gloops> cops would just stand back at a safe distance
[05:58:11] <XXCoder> https://www.atlasobscura.com
[05:58:14] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:58:25] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com one of em
[05:58:48] <gloops> i watched some huge demolition machines taking a building down, the ones that have like lobsters pincers, the machines look like theyre alive eating their way through it
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[06:03:06] <XXCoder> wow! so much work to secure the mail
[06:04:02] <Papagno> Hi. on actual master we have a bug : if run program with single block start, the first line the program not is executed.
[06:08:15] <XXCoder> you'll need to report it to gut]
[06:08:17] <XXCoder> git
[06:08:29] <XXCoder> gloops: man is that mail secure lol
[06:13:55] <XXCoder> jthornton: https://www.bbc.com
[06:24:20] <gloops> safer than gmail XXCoder
[06:25:27] <XXCoder> i like this video. clears on why theres so much issue on brexit https://youtu.be
[06:28:06] <gloops> yes Mays position is impossible
[06:28:48] <gloops> shes in coalition with the irish unionists - needs their votes to govern, they will not hear of northern ireland being treated differently to the UK
[06:29:14] <gloops> the irish republicans however will not hear of any border between north/south ireland
[06:29:37] <gloops> she cant win without the unionists, but she cant have a border either
[06:29:58] <XXCoder> im kinda wondering why not just dont do brexit
[06:30:20] <gloops> theres been a vote lol
[06:30:29] <XXCoder> i know.
[06:30:35] <gloops> 17.4 million people are gonna be pissed off if it doesnt happen
[06:30:48] <XXCoder> what I mean is let voters know and vote again, with knowledge of new problems
[06:30:58] <gloops> it calls into question democracy itself
[06:31:18] <XXCoder> call for re-vote with new info is against democracy
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[06:31:36] <gloops> not without implementing the first decision
[06:31:51] <XXCoder> and if its impossible?
[06:32:01] <gloops> its not like - have a vote now and we'll see how we feel again in 2 years
[06:32:10] <XXCoder> or even better, vote to decide which solution rather than reject
[06:32:20] <gloops> you cant join and leave the EU in and out etc
[06:33:05] <gloops> the politicians are looking for ways to stall and wriggle out of it without actually saying - we're not leaving
[06:34:53] <gloops> XXCoder its not impossible,its just a question of some people have to be realistic and put ancient gripes aside
[06:35:18] <gloops> theres nothing wrong with customs checks on lorries between 2 countries, every other country in the world has them
[06:35:39] <gloops> it doesnt mean the UK is attacking ireland
[06:36:46] <XXCoder> probably not, i dont know enough history to really comment
[06:37:13] <gloops> we could have a vote to see if we want another vote lol
[06:37:46] <XXCoder> i suppose lol
[06:38:02] <XXCoder> though it mght be better to vote on what deal to accept
[06:38:11] <gloops> but brexit was widely seen as a protest vote against the political elite - any attempt to thwart brexit will be seen as exactly what they were protesting against
[06:38:26] <XXCoder> I recall that yeah
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[06:38:43] <gloops> look at france now - 18 weeks theyve been rioting
[06:38:43] <XXCoder> i wonder what percentage thinks it is a mistake now
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[06:39:43] <Wolf__> they haven’t been reporting on the riots there at all in the usa
[06:39:48] <gloops> what is clear - something is wrong with the EU and something is wrong with our government, the people can sense it
[06:40:07] <gloops> Wolf__ nor here much, mostly on social media
[06:40:09] <XXCoder> yep i didnt know there was rioting. usa is getting very isular which is bad thing for superpower,
[06:40:13] <gloops> they have been real protests
[06:40:45] <gloops> the yellow vests were out again yesterday
[06:41:45] <gloops> this was paris yesterday https://www.youtube.com
[06:41:55] <Wolf__> so what have you heard, I have heard that it is immigrant labor that has been rioting
[06:42:21] <XXCoder> why is people in france rioting?
[06:42:45] <Tom_L> why does anybody riot?
[06:43:05] <gloops> thats a boring vid though https://www.youtube.com
[06:43:21] <Wolf__> USA, because someone is paying them
[06:43:35] <gloops> started off with macrons austerity program - tax hikes, spending cuts etc, now a wider protest against just about everything
[06:44:03] <XXCoder> never thought austerity was ever a good idea.
[06:44:11] <gloops> the EU caps all public spending at 2% i think - people are starving in greece
[06:44:19] <XXCoder> whoa machine learning to improve old tv show ds9 star trek https://youtu.be
[06:45:35] <gloops> anyway best get some cutting done lol
[06:45:42] <XXCoder> later
[06:46:10] <XXCoder> interesting quality definitely got bump but not all way to true HD I thin
[06:46:38] <XXCoder> definitely takes most of "blurry" out
[06:52:25] <gloops> no more chatting thats the second time this cut was in the wrong place lol
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[06:57:34] <jthornton> morning
[06:57:39] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[06:57:47] <XXCoder> jthornton: https://www.bbc.com lol
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[07:00:41] <jthornton> 3,000 hens can be dangerous to a small animal
[07:00:49] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:06:55] <XXCoder> LOL https://youtu.be using pencil eraser and abustives as pattern creator
[07:06:59] <XXCoder> thats cool idea
[07:07:56] <XXCoder> i wonder how cnc-able it is, considering eraser wear
[07:08:23] <XXCoder> or maybe just use spring
[07:09:14] <jthornton> you just need an eraser probe
[07:09:31] <XXCoder> is that an actual tool?
[07:10:10] <jthornton> I have an electric eraser that used to hang on a drafting table a long time ago
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[07:18:10] <XXCoder> electric eraser?
[07:19:27] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[07:19:48] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com hewing
[07:19:49] <XXCoder> wow
[07:20:01] <XXCoder> for all your heavy erasing duties
[07:20:11] <syyl_> roughing-eraser
[07:20:31] <jthornton> erase all your machining mistakes
[07:20:41] <XXCoder> nah I want ctrl-z
[07:20:59] <XXCoder> man sure wish i had that sometimes.
[07:24:43] <XXCoder> anyway that eraser thing yeah I'd do cnc with severial m0 to clean, and use eraser (one that loong tube of eraser and not small one at end of pencil)
[07:24:55] <XXCoder> add spring and custom eraser holder
[07:25:22] <XXCoder> though not sure how to limit eraser length hm
[07:25:26] <XXCoder> well bedtime laters
[07:25:31] <jthornton> night
[07:37:01] <jthornton> wow gloops posted on the forum
[07:38:08] <gloops> i did? lol, was just looking at some posts Ichs made
[07:38:27] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[07:38:48] <jthornton> I just approved it, must have been your first post
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[07:39:03] <gloops> oh yeah, i made a few replies to some stuff, its not my OP
[07:39:38] <gloops> i joined the forum last year to look at rotating nuts, i didnt make any though
[07:39:46] <fragalot> 'sup
[07:41:08] <gloops> nothing much, just going to finish these beehive boxes
[07:41:29] <jthornton> got a photo of them?
[07:41:45] <gloops> the bloke at the diy store cut the sides out of square, ruined my life basically
[07:41:58] <gloops> i can get some of the progress so far when i go back in the garage
[07:49:19] <fragalot> gloops: the one DIY store that I knew of within a 50km radius that actually cut things square and to size has been taken over by another that doensn't even offer cut services anymore
[07:49:23] <fragalot> :(
[07:49:28] <fragalot> the previous one had this really nice cnc saw
[07:49:53] <fragalot> enter the sizes you want, pop a panel in & hit go and it figured out the best layout automagically
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[08:21:39] <gloops> not much to see really, housing joint on each corner then a stretcher top and bottom with a box joint - just drawing the stretchers https://ibb.co
[08:22:48] <gloops> fragalot the local setup has a nice table saw - the idiot cut my stuff on an old chop saw - i dont think there were any tips left on the blade
[08:24:28] <gloops> to look like that eventually http://www.bees-online.co.uk
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[08:27:24] <jthornton> interesting design
[08:27:55] <gloops> British National Standard Hive - they would make it awkward
[08:28:33] <gloops> its about 20 minutes a hive on the cnc - now ive got working code
[08:28:54] <jthornton> ours are either finger joints or dovetails
[08:29:53] <gloops> yeah many are, the WBC hives look nice but pretty complicated, angled box joints
[08:30:23] <gloops> https://www.dobies.co.uk
[08:31:04] <gloops> need to be pretty close with the dimensions though, frames have to fit right, with a 'bee space' room for the bees to crawl round
[08:31:24] <jthornton> I guess once your setup to make the wbc it's ok but wow that looks tough to make
[08:31:48] <gloops> yeah im going to have a look at it, its double skinned as well, square boxes inside
[08:33:19] <jthornton> https://beesource.com
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[08:34:24] <gloops> lol, it looks pretty daunting but i think theyre doable
[08:34:42] <jthornton> that site even has plans
[08:35:21] <gloops> there quite a lot of plans kicking about online, some more use than others
[08:35:50] <gloops> the hive makers even post plans - probably thinking few diyers are going to attempt to them
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[10:19:34] <gloops> done, so far as cnc goes anyway, rest is on the saw https://ibb.co
[10:20:11] <Tom_L> nice
[10:21:09] <pink_vampire> very nice!
[10:21:53] <gloops> well, a bit rough actually owing to sub standard cutting of boards by supplier, but will do
[10:23:52] <gloops> so about 1 hours machine time for 3 brood boxes, £100 profit maybe on 3 of those, i can live with that
[10:27:01] <jthornton> looking good!
[10:29:05] <gloops> the next batch will be better lol, ill cut everything myself, in fact the cnc could trim them square while its working on the flat - slightly out of square causes problems for setting up vertical
[10:55:42] <_unreal_> got a nice set of metal boxes I'm going to use one of them for my cnc controller for my small desktop
[10:55:52] <_unreal_> just finshed gutting all of the original hardware
[10:57:27] <R2E4> mornin all
[10:57:35] <R2E4> afternoon or evening....
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[11:01:29] <rmaw> what I want to know is why terresa may wont let the population have another vote, as shes about to have a third attempt on her agreement thats been voted down twice
[11:01:44] <rmaw> ughh, wrong channel
[11:02:14] <fragalot> llol
[11:02:50] <fragalot> because it's the "politically safe" option.
[11:06:24] <Elmo40> meh
[11:06:29] <Elmo40> they should split
[11:07:01] <Elmo40> they never really thought they were 'european'. they are british!
[11:07:18] <Elmo40> it's like turkey joining the EU... a joke!
[11:07:40] <Elmo40> so, about them cncmathings... ;-)
[11:08:24] <Elmo40> if i were to make a dual Y-axis motor setup, due to gantry style machine, would you recommend tying both steppers with a belt to help keep sync?
[11:09:21] <fragalot> no
[11:09:34] <Elmo40> and what kind of motor to worm drive couplers do you guys prefer? rigid or flexible?
[11:09:54] <fragalot> the plastic spider bushing type
[11:13:02] <Elmo40> my thoughts as well. help remove some of the motor humm but still provide little backlash.
[11:13:46] <Elmo40> i was also thinking of a trust bearing on the end of the shaft. help prevent any extra drift from rapid movements.
[11:14:07] <Elmo40> why would tying them together physically be a bad thing?
[11:14:09] <fragalot> you should only have that on one end
[11:14:27] <fragalot> because the motors might fight each-other
[11:15:01] <fragalot> either you have one big motor & couple them together mechanically, or 2 motors and keep fully separate
[11:15:07] <Elmo40> isn't that the whole point? to keep them both in-line with each other
[11:15:27] <Elmo40> i was thinking of one large motor and coupling them...
[11:15:53] <fragalot> then that would work, the only error you'll have then is belt slop
[11:17:00] <Elmo40> true. with almost 36" in between, that is a lot of belt!
[11:17:44] <fragalot> hence 2 fully separate motors. :-)
[11:20:43] <gloops> Elmo40 linuxcnc runs 2 motors on one axis perfectly, there is no difference between the motion of either motor (apart from maybe slight mechanical differences in the motors themselves)
[11:21:15] <fragalot> and if they're losing steps, you've got bigger problems anyway
[11:21:43] <gloops> i suppose so yes
[11:23:13] <Elmo40> i only lost my step when i had too much green beer... ;-)
[11:24:51] <gloops> there isnt much force on a belt driving ballscrews though, motor drive belts dont get the hammer direct drive belts get
[11:25:38] <gloops> still there though, flying from one direction to another fast, have to have the tension right to avoid backlash and slipping etc
[11:26:37] <fragalot> or direct drive the ballscrew
[11:27:56] <Tom_L> morning peeps
[11:27:57] <gloops> i might get rid of belts altogether when i swap my motors
[11:28:37] <Tom_L> gloops you're running 2.8 right?
[11:29:17] <Tom_L> i loaded it but it stalled when i tried running a program so i put the 2.7 ssd back in for now
[11:36:33] <R2E4> morning Tom
[11:37:31] <Tom_L> hi
[11:37:52] <gloops> Tom_L yes im on 2.8 - just going out this second though
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[11:41:22] <JT-Shop2> Tom_L: I'm running 2.8 on the mill as well
[11:42:21] <R2E4> hi JT
[11:43:26] <Tom_L> i need to put the ssd back in to see why it stalled but i wanted to finish those threads first
[11:43:48] <Tom_L> andy thought it could be the new multi spindle support
[11:44:42] <R2E4> I just updated mine to latest 2.8 with no problems.
[11:44:44] <Tom_L> i bumped the speed up on em btw and it works great
[11:46:26] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[11:47:12] <fragalot> lmao
[11:47:20] <pink_vampire> what super power this g0704 use to cut like that in to steel?
[11:47:41] <fragalot> the power of video editing
[11:48:14] <Tom_L> wtf is that power meter @ .42?
[11:48:47] <Tom_L> or is that a DRO
[11:48:59] <fragalot> lthat is a DRO
[11:49:07] <Tom_L> well crap.
[11:49:16] <Tom_L> i'm looking for a decent power meter
[11:49:21] <pink_vampire> i need rails!!
[11:49:28] <Tom_L> get some
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[11:49:32] <pink_vampire> kill a watt?
[11:50:09] <Tom_L> wouldn't mind having his drawer full of tooling either
[11:50:14] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: it is not about getting the rails, it is about get the rails correctly on the machine
[11:50:33] <fragalot> that's only a matter of trial & error
[11:50:38] <fragalot> until you run out of error
[11:50:50] <Tom_L> or give up on the trial
[11:50:58] <pink_vampire> lol
[11:51:24] <pink_vampire> my pyvcp code start look like something decent
[11:51:56] <pink_vampire> and i dis all that with the mini keyboard O_O
[11:52:46] <Loetmichel> maaan, sometimes i want to live in the US... i will get my "new" used car in a few minutes delivered on my premises by the dealer... just opened the City website to get an appointment to register the car and get the tags... next aviable appointment: 03/28/19... maaan does that piss me off... and no, you cant drive here in germany without a license plate, thats REALLY expensive if you get
[11:52:46] <Loetmichel> caught. and getting caught is very likely
[11:53:29] <fragalot> first of all
[11:53:34] <fragalot> why on earth are you using US date notation
[11:53:45] * Tom_L snickers
[11:53:47] <fragalot> secondly,.. that wait time isn't that abnormal for that stuff
[11:53:58] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: but you have the autobahn !
[11:54:35] <Loetmichel> fragalot: because that comment was aimed at americans ;)
[11:54:52] <fragalot> pink_vampire: half the time there is a traffic jam or road works going on anyway on there
[11:55:11] <Tom_L> Loetmichel, after the appointment is set do you just walk in and sit down or do you still wait in line for 4 hours waiting your turn?
[11:55:24] <Tom_L> welcome to the US
[11:55:41] <Loetmichel> and its no wait time. its just that you cant get the tags/registration without an appointment. My city has no "go in, wait until someone is free to do the job" any more.
[11:55:53] <Tom_L> you got no gripes then sir.
[11:56:13] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: usually the wait is about one hour. IF you have an appointment that is.
[11:56:30] <fragalot> Loetmichel: over here the insurance company has to request the plates & get them delivered to you
[11:56:37] <Tom_L> they finally did implement the txt your place in line thing here
[11:57:01] <pink_vampire> https://www.usatoday.com
[11:57:07] <pink_vampire> we are getting there...
[11:57:27] <Loetmichel> fragalot: here you have to requeste a "green card" from the insurance (basically just a the number of your insurance contract) and with that the City office will give you the plates
[11:57:44] <Tom_L> i think Wyoming has no posted speed in places
[11:58:02] <Loetmichel> ( or will give you a permit to go outside, get some plates made by the conveniently placed plate makers around the office, go back in and get them stamped)
[11:58:06] <fragalot> Loetmichel: here even returning the plate if the car is sold has to go via the insurance company
[11:58:19] <fragalot> but only the front plate
[11:58:24] <fragalot> the rear one is a copy made where-ever
[11:58:42] <fragalot> usually you get the front plate delivered just after closing hours of those place
[11:58:45] <fragalot> :P
[11:58:45] <Tom_L> so if i'm gonna steal your plates get the front one?
[11:58:47] <Loetmichel> here both plates are "government issued"
[11:59:02] <Loetmichel> and you can actually go to jail for making one yourself
[11:59:07] <fragalot> Tom_L: that is the most annoying one, yes
[11:59:26] <fragalot> wait no, it's the other way around
[11:59:32] <fragalot> rear is official, front has to be an exact copy
[11:59:57] <Tom_L> you'd think as valueable as these things are they would attach them with something other than a screw
[12:00:16] <fragalot> well, they do
[12:00:19] <fragalot> they use 2 screws.
[12:00:27] <Tom_L> ahh yeah, my bad...
[12:00:46] <Tom_L> be annoying and use one straight slot and one phillips screw
[12:00:56] <fragalot> hehe
[12:01:50] <Loetmichel> fragalot: i just lost a front plate on my old car two months ago
[12:01:59] <Loetmichel> actually in mid december
[12:02:11] <Loetmichel> took me to mid february to get it replaced.
[12:02:17] <fragalot> yea...
[12:02:21] <Loetmichel> and THREE appointments at the office
[12:02:41] <fragalot> did you have to get the police involved first to document the loss?
[12:03:19] <Loetmichel> because first appointment i forgot the old registration, second attempt they told me that my wife (who registered the car) has to be present in person and sign the "i have lost the plate" document...
[12:03:27] <Loetmichel> and third time we made that happen
[12:03:40] <Loetmichel> no
[12:03:44] <Loetmichel> police
[12:04:31] <Loetmichel> and the old numbers are now on the "fahndungsliste" for the next 15 years...
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[12:04:39] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:04:59] <Tom_L> how long are your plates good for?
[12:05:15] <fragalot> life of the car here
[12:05:27] <Tom_L> no annual renewal?
[12:05:37] <fragalot> no
[12:05:49] <fragalot> well you pay your road tax obviously
[12:05:55] <Tom_L> they should get up to speed on that.. look at all the revenue they're missing
[12:06:30] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: life of the car
[12:06:35] <Loetmichel> or even the next car
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[12:06:47] <Tom_L> nice
[12:06:52] <fragalot> I don't think you can transfer them anymore here
[12:06:55] <fragalot> you certainly could in the past
[12:07:00] <Tom_L> we can transfer tags but have to go thru the process
[12:07:10] <Loetmichel> you can take the license number "with you" to the next car if you register the new car at the same time you unregister the old one
[12:07:22] <Tom_L> ^^
[12:07:33] <Tom_L> otherwise you get a new one
[12:07:48] <Loetmichel> the only "annual" thing is the road-safety sticker on the back license plate that has to be renewed every two years
[12:08:16] <Tom_L> they tried that here for a few years but it just turned into a money making thing for the shops
[12:08:23] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: unless you are changing cities
[12:08:33] <Loetmichel> because the city is coded into the license plate
[12:08:39] <Tom_L> state thing here, not city
[12:08:47] <Tom_L> well, county
[12:09:04] <Loetmichel> mine reads "OF-K 1453" because i live in Offenbach
[12:09:52] <Loetmichel> or lets just say: we changed the license plate to have a blue stripe with the EU stars in them on the left
[12:10:00] <Loetmichel> somwhere in the 2000s
[12:10:16] <Loetmichel> you can still see cars driving around with the old plain white license plates
[12:10:43] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[12:10:45] <fragalot> you still can if you add the EU country sticker to the car
[12:10:49] <fragalot> i think
[12:11:01] <fragalot> (if you drive outside of .de)
[12:11:07] <Loetmichel> upper brown dot is the road safety sticker (year is colour coded)
[12:11:16] <Loetmichel> lower dot is the city seal
[12:11:49] <Loetmichel> the front has only the lower city seal sticker on it
[12:12:06] <fragalot> does anyone know what the scret is behind sandvik's silent tools?
[12:12:15] <fragalot> is it hydraulic vibration damping, or what?
[12:12:26] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: caterpillar drive.
[12:12:36] <fragalot> :D
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[12:13:27] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: the tools ar a nuclear sub?
[12:14:01] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: I would expect a patent number somewhere on this.
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[12:15:19] <Loetmichel> fragalot: as i dont know which tools we talking: i had some Würth hole saws that did the "silent" by variyng the distance between teeth
[12:15:25] <SpeedEvil> https://www.sandvik.coromant.com gives you the name of the guy who may be on the patent, I would look more, but I got bore.
[12:15:26] <SpeedEvil> d
[12:15:30] <Loetmichel> so no two teeth have the same distance: no chatter
[12:16:08] <SpeedEvil> The blurb there implies there may be active stuff.
[12:16:12] <fragalot> Loetmichel: lathe boring bars, face mill extensions
[12:16:18] <Loetmichel> ah
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[12:16:36] <Loetmichel> yeah, looking at the link: that looks active
[12:16:42] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering about hax involving fast voice coils and sensors on a granite plate for rough turning.
[12:16:56] <SpeedEvil> I mean precise turning with rough positioners.
[12:17:21] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com 0:55
[12:17:36] <fragalot> could it be as simple as a free-moving counterweight in rubber bushings?
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[12:21:45] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com <== basically, mass held within rubber rings
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[12:26:25] <SpeedEvil> It could be.
[12:26:31] <SpeedEvil> There are lots of plausible dampers.
[12:26:49] <fragalot> just loving the simplicity
[12:26:51] <SpeedEvil> They will all have lower performance than good active dampers, but that may be quite fine.
[12:27:13] <fragalot> sure, but that adds compexity & cost
[12:27:28] <SpeedEvil> I mean - filling with sand, or putting your finger on it often will damp things, so more is not always require.
[12:27:58] <SpeedEvil> You'd want to look at easily excitable resonances in your tool and support, engineer out the ones that can easily be one, and then damp the ones you can't.
[12:28:00] <fragalot> anyway
[12:28:13] <SpeedEvil> High Q damping can be really good.
[12:28:17] <fragalot> has anyone here ever run a dual spindle / dual turret lathe?
[12:28:37] <fragalot> i'm just wondeirng how on earth the G-code is set up to do those motions simultaneously
[12:28:54] <fragalot> or would you have to rely heavily on built-in cycles
[12:30:24] <Tom_L> 2.8 supports multi spindle
[12:32:37] <Tom_L> dunno how G33 works with that
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[12:34:13] <Tom_L> looks like that's still axis to spindle sync
[12:34:23] <Tom_L> but you can pick the spindle
[12:36:00] <fragalot> i'm more interested in how multi-turret would be done
[12:36:10] <Tom_L> yeah, i have no idea
[12:36:11] <fragalot> because you're doing cutting motions & profiling with one whilst the other may be drilling
[12:36:15] <fragalot> or milling or whatever
[12:36:37] <Tom_L> and keep from hitting each other
[12:36:59] <fragalot> that's probably more up to the operator :P
[12:37:06] <Tom_L> i know the okuma single spindle i ran had soft limits you could set so the tools wouldn't go past that point
[12:37:36] <Tom_L> so you wouldn't hit the spindle etc
[12:43:42] <Loetmichel> soo, car arrived... a REALLY blue 2001 BMW 525i station wagon... but it drives and has 1 year road safety check... for 2100 eur thats ok. ;)
[12:44:51] <Tom_L> no rust?
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[12:46:27] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: next to none, not even the rear door or the wheel wells
[12:46:32] <Loetmichel> https://suchen.mobile.de
[12:46:35] <Loetmichel> thats the car i bought
[12:46:53] <Tom_L> mileage?
[12:47:12] <Tom_L> 243km
[12:47:33] <Loetmichel> 243000km ;)
[12:47:37] <Tom_L> quite a few
[12:47:42] <Tom_L> but does it burn oil?
[12:48:01] <Loetmichel> 151k miles
[12:48:08] <Loetmichel> no, exhaust is clean
[12:48:11] <Tom_L> ahh, that's not so bad
[12:48:16] <Loetmichel> also not that many oil drops on the engine
[12:48:18] <Loetmichel> i looked
[12:48:24] <Tom_L> i think all but my 2018 have that many
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[12:57:37] * Loetmichel just had fun parking that thing on the backyard... MAN thats at least 10 years since i last drove a stick shift... takes a bit of "getting used to again" ;)
[12:57:54] <fragalot> :P
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[12:58:05] <Tom_L> heh
[12:59:02] <fragalot> https://imgur.com <=
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[13:12:11] <pink_vampire> done!
[13:13:12] <pink_vampire> i just finish the stock probing gui in pyvcp
[13:20:32] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: video or it never happened ;)
[13:25:07] <pink_vampire> lol
[13:25:10] <pink_vampire> one sec
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[13:53:09] <fragalot> Loetmichel: https://imgur.com
[14:03:58] <Jymmm> fragalot: SCORE!!!! two points
[14:04:07] <fragalot> :D
[14:06:37] <Lcvette> > what super power this g0704 use to cut like that in to steel?
[14:06:37] <Lcvette> Looks like it may be a BF30 which is a bit beefier than a G0704
[14:07:08] <Lcvette> pink_vampire: ∆
[14:07:18] <fragalot> fancy little up arrow you have there
[14:07:33] <Tom_L> Lcvette i finally ran that cutter up to 4k rpm @ 12ipm
[14:07:54] <Tom_L> still not how you like it :)
[14:07:59] <Lcvette> Nice!
[14:08:15] <Lcvette> Lol
[14:08:23] <Tom_L> iirc that's about .0005 ipt
[14:08:31] <Lcvette> Did it cry
[14:08:36] <Tom_L> no
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[14:09:00] <Tom_L> just don't feel like screwing up an $80 cutter
[14:09:01] <pink_vampire> uploading....
[14:09:21] <Lcvette> That's not possible
[14:09:45] <Lcvette> Your actually doing more hard cutting slow
[14:09:47] <Tom_L> i cried when i had to cut the shank off a little
[14:09:57] <Lcvette> Harm
[14:10:08] <gloops> Tom_L was going to say earlier - i installed 2.8 as an upgrade, not from scratch, the mrs was looking at me though waiting to go heh
[14:10:25] <Tom_L> i figured you had to go somewhere
[14:10:35] <Tom_L> not sure why mine stalls out
[14:10:36] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: i'm with you, take it easy
[14:10:49] <Tom_L> actually $90
[14:11:23] <Tom_L> the way i look at it though is i now have a full set of imperial and metric taps & dies :D
[14:11:27] <Lcvette> Was your spindle struggling?
[14:11:33] <Tom_L> that's the issue
[14:11:38] <Tom_L> i don't want to stall it
[14:11:45] <Tom_L> so i'm creeping up slowly
[14:12:00] <Tom_L> until i know what it can do with a cutter i start slow
[14:12:03] <Lcvette> Is a very low engagement cutter
[14:12:13] <Tom_L> if it was a 3hp spindle i wouldn't worry
[14:12:20] <Tom_L> i realize that
[14:13:03] <Tom_L> the spindle will handle a .250 cutter full width .2" depth but it gets hot
[14:13:21] <Lcvette> I cut the same speed with a #8 single point that mill
[14:13:36] <Lcvette> Thread
[14:13:40] <Tom_L> i set them all up the same
[14:13:47] <Tom_L> i've got from #10 up to 3/4
[14:14:04] <Lcvette> If you compared the two you would understand your worry was misplaced
[14:14:26] <Tom_L> i broke a #10 but that was my fault
[14:14:38] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[14:14:40] <Lcvette> That big one your showing isn't. Going to get hurt
[14:14:54] <Lcvette> But you will dull the tips from rubbing
[14:15:01] <Tom_L> not unless i really screw up programming it
[14:15:07] <Tom_L> yeah
[14:15:26] <Tom_L> do you run the #8 at .001" ipt?
[14:15:27] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[14:15:46] <Lcvette> Yup
[14:16:02] <Tom_L> but it's only got like 3 teeth
[14:16:10] <Tom_L> so it'll be a little slower anyway
[14:16:18] <Lcvette> Smaller they are the smaller the engagement is
[14:16:28] <pink_vampire> i did a video that show the new pyvcp interface
[14:16:29] <Tom_L> the smaller the shank is too
[14:17:13] <Tom_L> the shaft diameter on it is .069"
[14:17:19] <Lcvette> Pitch diameter offset shrinks
[14:17:31] <Tom_L> i know
[14:17:45] <Tom_L> i added models of all of them to my cad cam so i can visualize it
[14:18:10] <Lcvette> If you set the pass depth up correctly the cuts have the same load
[14:18:38] <Tom_L> i don't right now. i have them set to user chosen number of equal passes
[14:18:44] <Tom_L> on my macro
[14:19:03] <Tom_L> 3 seems to be a good number for that
[14:19:09] <Lcvette> Try A ratio
[14:19:24] <Tom_L> i'm not sure i can do that in the macro
[14:20:51] <Lcvette> Percentage of pitch diameter
[14:21:26] <Lcvette> For aluminum 2 depths is plenty
[14:21:50] <Tom_L> 3 with a spring pass?
[14:21:59] <Lcvette> One and a spring is all I usually use
[14:22:33] <Tom_L> thread milling is probably safer than rigid tapping
[14:22:45] <Lcvette> I only go to multiple depths in harder materials
[14:22:48] <Tom_L> at least you can't get the tool stuck in the hole
[14:23:24] <gloops> very good pink_vampire!
[14:23:25] <Lcvette> Or for bigger threads
[14:23:31] <gloops> also excellent narration
[14:24:01] <pink_vampire> lol
[14:24:16] <Lcvette> Anything 5/16's and smaller, single cut depth + spring
[14:25:24] <pink_vampire> I need to make one for holes
[14:25:35] <Tom_L> Lcvette how much do you leave for the spring pass?
[14:25:47] <Tom_L> none?
[14:26:26] <Lcvette> But if you do multiple depths, see if you can setup the macro to do (pitch diameter offset* 0.60)/2
[14:26:49] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: very cool =)
[14:27:01] <Tom_L> Lcvette, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[14:27:02] <pink_vampire> thanks!
[14:27:03] <Lcvette> Second pass (pitch diameter offset * 0.40)/2
[14:27:04] <Tom_L> there it is
[14:27:11] <Lcvette> None
[14:27:15] <Tom_L> that does all of em though
[14:27:20] <Tom_L> RH LH OD ID
[14:28:23] <fragalot> pink_vampire: that is looking great!
[14:29:06] <pink_vampire> i hope it will continue to look grate
[14:29:11] <Tom_L> Lcvette including lead in lead out moves
[14:30:04] <Lcvette> Nice!
[14:30:05] <Lcvette> You will it?
[14:30:11] <Lcvette> Wrote
[14:30:16] <Tom_L> yeah
[14:30:28] <Lcvette> Very nice!!
[14:30:49] <Tom_L> it's old software so it doesn't just magically do it
[14:31:10] <Tom_L> but it's full 3d so i keep it
[14:31:23] <Lcvette> What is it?
[14:31:34] <Tom_L> smartcam 4.61
[14:31:46] <Tom_L> they're up to like 19 or 50 by now :D
[14:31:56] <Lcvette> Never heard of it
[14:32:04] <Lcvette> Lol
[14:32:07] <Tom_L> it was better than mastercam when i bought it
[14:32:18] <Tom_L> now mastercam leads the market in small shops
[14:32:35] <pink_vampire> tom i can make you gcode on my hsm, and just change the stuff to variables
[14:33:01] <Tom_L> pink_vampire been there already
[14:33:14] <Tom_L> not percentage wise though
[14:33:19] <pink_vampire> oh ok
[14:33:33] <Tom_L> Lcvette i might look at it at some point
[14:33:47] <Tom_L> just happy to have anything right now
[14:33:58] <Lcvette> Tom_L you need to come help me with the conversational page in probe basic!
[14:34:11] <Tom_L> heh
[14:34:27] <Tom_L> i hated running anything conversational
[14:34:48] <Lcvette> Me too
[14:34:55] <Lcvette> How do we change that?
[14:35:11] <Tom_L> i'm running linuxcnc
[14:35:16] <Tom_L> ymmv
[14:35:25] <fragalot> I actually quite like the conversational stuff on heidenhain
[14:35:50] <Lcvette> Probe basic is Linux cnc
[14:35:57] <Tom_L> i did it on the okuma lathe but we didn't run that many different parts on it
[14:37:44] <JT-Shop> pink_vampire: looking great!
[14:38:08] <pink_vampire> thanks!
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[14:43:37] <Jymmm> the ice pick jackhammer was funny =)
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[14:50:12] <_unreal_> there just finished mounting my 3 motor controllers
[14:50:30] <_unreal_> next have to solve the wiring
[14:51:03] <pink_vampire> what do you mean by "solve"?
[14:51:35] <_unreal_> my machine is setup one way and the motor controllers are setup an other
[14:51:44] <_unreal_> I need to get the wires RUN into the box
[14:52:04] <pink_vampire> pics will help
[14:53:38] <_unreal_> uno momento my lovely
[14:54:28] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[14:54:30] <_unreal_> can you view that?
[14:55:00] <pink_vampire> no...
[14:55:16] <fragalot> lol
[14:56:18] <pink_vampire> C:\Users\user\Pictures
[14:56:45] <_unreal_> c: ?
[14:56:54] <fragalot> ~/Photos
[14:57:03] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[14:57:08] <_unreal_> how about that?
[14:57:41] <pink_vampire> I'm still waiting for the linux version of solidworks
[14:58:01] <_unreal_> does that link work?
[14:58:04] <pink_vampire> AWWWWWWWWWWWWW super cute machine!!
[14:58:14] <_unreal_> BS
[14:58:15] <_unreal_> one sec
[14:58:27] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[14:59:10] <pink_vampire> parenting done right
[15:00:54] <_unreal_> That entire machine hand made
[15:01:02] <_unreal_> the GREEN board is G10
[15:01:09] <_unreal_> a type of fiberglass board, VERY strong
[15:01:16] <_unreal_> expensive but very very strong
[15:01:21] <_unreal_> but I got lots of free scraps
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[15:01:37] <pink_vampire> look amazing!!
[15:01:57] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[15:02:05] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[15:02:57] <pink_vampire> look very heavy duty fiber glass board
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[15:04:52] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com
[15:06:49] <_unreal_> very
[15:07:54] <_unreal_> I'm uploading an entire cash of photos right now
[15:08:14] <_unreal_> so I can "" should "" be able to give one link
[15:08:21] <_unreal_> checking
[15:08:28] <_unreal_> ooooo touch probe
[15:08:32] <pink_vampire> I'm using imgur
[15:08:43] <_unreal_> one of the photos I posted there is an A axis
[15:08:56] <_unreal_> not designed as an A but I'm going to use it as one
[15:08:58] <fragalot> you can create a shared album on google photos to share the lot in one go
[15:09:02] <fragalot> rather than paste 50 links
[15:09:12] <_unreal_> high tollerance
[15:09:24] <_unreal_> fagalot ya trying to figure that out right now :)
[15:09:35] <_unreal_> waiting for my hpone to upload right now
[15:09:47] <_unreal_> yay 50%
[15:10:50] <fragalot> _unreal_: select the pictures you want to share by clicking the little tick mark in the top left of them
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[15:12:23] <fragalot> then click the share button in the top-right, and click "make link" .. random example: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[15:21:58] <_unreal_> is this view able? https://photos.google.com
[15:22:13] <fragalot> yes
[15:22:43] <_unreal_> sweeet
[15:22:52] <_unreal_> no more rabid link sharing
[15:22:56] <fragalot> :p
[15:22:59] <_unreal_> So what do you think?
[15:23:07] <fragalot> normally you should get shorter links though
[15:23:12] <fragalot> like the one I made :/
[15:23:16] <Tom_L> tinyurl
[15:23:18] <Tom_L> dot com
[15:23:25] <fragalot> there shouldn't be any need for that
[15:23:39] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: look amazing!!!!
[15:23:46] <_unreal_> I can make the shells any color
[15:23:52] <_unreal_> I chose to marble this one
[15:24:03] <fragalot> reminds me of my very first own tv
[15:24:04] <fragalot> :D
[15:24:15] <_unreal_> I have a LOCK out key
[15:24:28] <_unreal_> so only the key can turn the system on
[15:24:59] <_unreal_> That way when I finally finish building the cnc machine I'm building
[15:25:29] <_unreal_> I can ensure no one can fux with it
[15:25:51] <_unreal_> so I just discoverd something I never noticed before
[15:26:06] <_unreal_> this thing is already preempt https://photos.google.com
[15:26:08] <_unreal_> fark
[15:26:13] <_unreal_> tinker@tinkerboard:~$ uname -a
[15:26:13] <_unreal_> Linux tinkerboard 4.19.20-rockchip #5.75 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 8 11:59:37 CET 2019 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[15:26:27] <_unreal_> ok so next i need to compile/install linuxcnc
[15:26:32] <_unreal_> all that damn fretting over nothing
[15:26:36] <fragalot> lol
[15:26:43] <_unreal_> and it already was real time OS
[15:26:48] <fragalot> where are you from?
[15:26:51] <_unreal_> hell
[15:26:52] <_unreal_> :)
[15:26:57] <fragalot> :D
[15:26:58] <_unreal_> originally from MAINE
[15:27:09] <_unreal_> I gave up winter
[15:27:10] <fragalot> same difference
[15:27:19] <_unreal_> ya hell froze over LOL
[15:27:35] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, my lcd is a RPI 7" touch
[15:28:07] <_unreal_> only thing I have yet to figure out is how to get the damn DISPLAY to output the right resolution
[15:29:41] <_unreal_> onlything that pissis me off is that linuxcnc refuses to support GRBL
[15:30:03] <_unreal_> would suddenly make so many motor controllers usable and massivly expand linuxcncs usefulness
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[15:34:51] <_unreal_> having a build issue? PREEMPT
[15:34:53] <_unreal_> fark
[15:35:00] <_unreal_> tinker@tinkerboard:~/Downloads/linuxcnc-dev/src$ make
[15:35:00] <_unreal_> Makefile:71: Makefile.inc: No such file or directory
[15:35:01] <_unreal_> Makefile:82: *** Makefile.inc must specify RTPREFIX and other variables. Stop.
[15:35:18] <_unreal_> http://linuxcnc.org
[15:37:08] <Tom_L> grbl is for toys
[15:41:48] <jdh> how would lcnc even 'support' it?
[15:42:13] <_unreal_> lol
[15:42:49] <_unreal_> grbl is serial protocal, the networked smooth steppers etc... are SERIAL protocal
[15:43:19] <Tom_L> modbus etc
[15:43:48] <jdh> I thought grbl was a cnc 'control' that ran on arduinos
[15:44:00] <Tom_L> it is
[15:44:16] <_unreal_> jdh it is but it uses a FORM OF MODBUS
[15:44:31] <jdh> so
[15:44:50] <gloops> someone has set up linuxcnc , tried some gcode, did not set speed feeds, so no F in the gcode - should linuxcnc fall back on a default in that situation? its thrown an error
[15:44:53] <Tom_L> so what you meant to say is you wished linuxcnc supported your modbus smart steppers
[15:45:19] <_unreal_> yep
[15:45:25] <Tom_L> gloops i believe you need to set an initial Feed
[15:45:42] <gloops> yeah it does look like that Tom_L
[15:45:42] <Tom_L> and S word
[15:46:04] <_unreal_> arg... every time I try to make linuxcnc I get libncurses5-dev
[15:46:05] <Tom_L> there is no default for those
[15:46:10] <Tom_L> except 0
[15:46:12] <_unreal_> Makefile.inc: No such file or directory
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[15:48:57] <gloops> installing from the ISO _unreal_ ?
[15:49:25] <Tom_L> he's using an arm board
[15:49:29] <Tom_L> he can't
[15:49:32] <gloops> ahh
[15:51:20] <_unreal_> ahhh dpkg-checkbuilddeps just came up with a shit load of MIA dependencies
[15:52:11] <a-u> Have you gone through the build process under Linux?
[15:52:47] <_unreal_> OMG 3000megs of dependincies
[15:53:12] <Tom_L> probably looking for one file
[15:53:14] <_unreal_> a-u likely not I'm following the 2 pages
[15:53:18] <a-u> On the PC type platform?
[15:53:26] <_unreal_> armbian arm
[15:53:51] <_unreal_> a-u http://linuxcnc.org https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[15:55:26] <a-u> Yeah - surprisingly big system for what seemed a small program -- but I've learned much after weeks of reading and building
[15:56:32] <_unreal_> this is my first go at building
[15:56:54] <_unreal_> I didnt realize that my armbian version was already preempt
[15:57:26] <andypugh> Most are preempt. You need preempt-rt
[15:59:45] <_unreal_> !
[15:59:49] <_unreal_> ok
[16:00:01] <_unreal_> so then its not RT
[16:00:13] <_unreal_> I've never built kernels before
[16:00:23] <andypugh> Not unlsess uname says “rt”
[16:01:06] <Tom_L> i wonder if it might be easier to just use machine kit instead of linuxcnc on that?
[16:01:19] <andypugh> Well, that’s not necessarily true. When you build a kernel you get to choose what you call it. You could call your kernel “Brian” if you wanted.
[16:01:39] <Tom_L> capn_bob
[16:01:47] <_unreal_> nope no -rt
[16:02:59] <_unreal_> supposidly I could update the kernel via the apt?
[16:03:31] <_unreal_> arg.... stil have 5min of downloading to do
[16:03:47] <_unreal_> my build is armbian bionic
[16:03:52] <_unreal_> https://github.com
[16:05:00] <JT-Shop> _unreal_: what are you trying to build?
[16:05:15] <Tom_L> linuxcnc to work on his tinkerboard
[16:05:25] <Tom_L> which is arm based
[16:05:38] <JT-Shop> oh, never mind then lol
[16:05:42] <Tom_L> :D
[16:05:53] <JT-Shop> I thought we have arm based deb???
[16:05:55] <Tom_L> run n hide.... quick
[16:06:05] <Tom_L> no idea
[16:06:18] <_unreal_> if its in the repositories that would be geat
[16:06:24] <_unreal_> I just need to get this system real time
[16:06:29] <_unreal_> my tinker board
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[16:06:43] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[16:06:48] <_unreal_> That is the system
[16:07:11] <andypugh> We build armhf versions of linuxCNC, but not the realtime kernels
[16:07:13] <_unreal_> and https://www.armbian.com
[16:07:24] <_unreal_> I need a RT version
[16:07:37] <_unreal_> the tinker board is 2X the computer the pi is
[16:07:47] <_unreal_> 2x the memory 2x the cpu......
[16:07:51] <_unreal_> newer GPU
[16:08:14] <_unreal_> I can run blender great on it...
[16:08:20] <_unreal_> so I'm trying to get it to work with linuxcnc
[16:08:38] <andypugh> How id your Japanese? I see Tinkerboard and Xenoami here: https://yseki118.exblog.jp
[16:08:54] <_unreal_> people have built it in the past but no one has posted any SD images or anything so annoying bosted plenty of videos on youtube
[16:09:04] <_unreal_> light at best
[16:09:11] <_unreal_> and ya I've seen that link
[16:09:15] <_unreal_> not a lot of help though
[16:10:35] <_unreal_> That was also posted in 2017
[16:10:52] <_unreal_> yay the download is done
[16:11:06] <_unreal_> OK What would I be looking for to use APT to try and find a prebuilt RT kernel?
[16:12:16] <_unreal_> tinker@tinkerboard:~/Downloads/linuxcnc-dev$ sudo apt search preempt
[16:12:16] <_unreal_> [sudo] password for tinker:
[16:12:16] <_unreal_> Sorting... Done
[16:12:16] <_unreal_> Full Text Search... Done
[16:12:16] <_unreal_> rtirq-init/bionic 20150216-2 all
[16:12:16] <_unreal_> startup script for realtime-preempt enabled kernels
[16:13:59] <_unreal_> hello?
[16:14:22] <_unreal_> rtirq<_unreal_> rtirq-init/bionic 20150216-2 all
[16:14:27] <_unreal_> I'm not sure if that is a kernel or what?
[16:14:54] <andypugh> It says it is a startup script
[16:15:23] <_unreal_> https://packages.debian.org
[16:15:29] <_unreal_> not sure how that helps me :)
[16:15:40] <andypugh> I am pretty sure it doesn't
[16:20:08] <_unreal_> well I got to go take a quick shower and drive for 3 FUCKING hours to get my daughter.... POS xwife keeps moving farther and farther away
[16:20:15] <_unreal_> 3hr just to pick my daughter up
[16:20:20] <_unreal_> OR drop off
[16:20:25] <andypugh> Can’t you post her?
[16:20:50] <_unreal_> tried ssh tunnel wasnt big enough and Xwife is life illiterate
[16:21:03] <_unreal_> hence she only gets her on weekends
[16:21:10] <_unreal_> and rare at most
[16:21:28] <_unreal_> if any of you could help me fiogure out this RT kernel I'd be very greatful
[16:21:58] <_unreal_> inface, if i make an offer if anyone can fix my software issues in full and lives in the USA I'll make them one of these fiberglass shells https://photos.google.com
[16:22:03] <_unreal_> infact
[16:23:11] <_unreal_> well looks like I just gained a few more min..
[16:23:19] <_unreal_> xwife is delaying her departing time
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[16:37:42] <jdh> heh... I have a Pi on that same shitty desk
[16:38:12] <jdh> and same hot air gun?
[16:41:05] <DaViruz> oh dear, my friend has baught a third waterhet that he wants me to retrofit
[16:41:46] <DaViruz> waterjet
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[16:44:23] <_unreal_> same shitty desk?
[16:44:45] <jdh> well, mine is shitty. I bought it in 1983?
[16:44:45] <miss0r2> hello DaViruz, long time no see :)
[16:45:07] <_unreal_> jdh 858d?
[16:45:14] <jdh> https://imgur.com
[16:45:36] <DaViruz> time flies
[16:45:53] <_unreal_> I use to have a nice desk. left it with my parents when I moved to florida. and I was supposed to send money to have it shipped down... THEY FUCKING sold it on me.. really nice large metal desk
[16:46:21] <_unreal_> jdh, similar but not the same desk
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[16:46:38] <_unreal_> this one is ONLY as wide as what you see
[16:46:48] <_unreal_> no side shelfs nothing
[16:46:58] <jdh> I got it for my TRS80
[16:47:18] <_unreal_> foot area for a desktop but other then that ya this desk blows
[16:47:57] <jdh> heh, have the orange plies and a handfull of smt stuff on dip carriers
[16:48:01] <jdh> pliers
[16:49:14] <_unreal_> harber freight
[16:49:27] <jdh> yep
[16:49:37] <_unreal_> yep
[16:49:56] <_unreal_> dirt cheap and works
[16:50:50] <_unreal_> but ya jdh my offer stands.... if anyone can solve my software issue and live in the USA I'll build them one of those shells
[16:51:39] <_unreal_> offer stands untill I get the software figured out
[16:51:44] <_unreal_> then there is no more need :)
[16:51:58] <_unreal_> When I do get it setup and working I'm going to have it posted to github
[16:55:44] <a-u> I’ve had connection issues - what was your issue? RTAI support on ARM platform?
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[17:01:05] <_unreal_> a-u, yes but I'm about to leave to go get my daughter
[17:01:12] <_unreal_> a-u, long story short
[17:01:40] <_unreal_> if anyone can fix my software issues in full and lives in the USA I'll make them one of these fiberglass shells https://photos.google.com
[17:02:14] <_unreal_> good for any SBC I have a 7" display in it
[17:02:16] <gloops> cheaper to move the X back in _unreal_
[17:02:23] <_unreal_> x?
[17:02:29] <gloops> ex
[17:02:40] <_unreal_> I doont want that POS anywhere near me
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[17:03:30] <_unreal_> give you an idea of how F'ed up she is... she was married to a second husband, 2x her age, guy was in his 50's... and she cheated on him like she did me. and got preg... with an illegal alien from peru who has sense been deported... while she was married to the other guy
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[17:04:48] <_unreal_> so ya a-u tinker board https://www.armbian.com need to get a RT kernel working and a number of other things working and linuxcnc compiled etc.....
[17:04:58] <_unreal_> ocne that is all done I want to get a working image up on githut
[17:05:00] <_unreal_> hub
[17:05:11] <miss0r2> land rover engine rebuild: https://imgur.com :)
[17:05:12] <_unreal_> a-u, you there?
[17:05:22] <miss0r2> I think this is gonna be a pricy one
[17:05:22] <a-u> Hi - yep
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[17:06:01] <_unreal_> miss0r2, erector set for adults
[17:06:15] <_unreal_> a-u, you get all of that?
[17:06:23] <miss0r2> _unreal_: Yeah :) I just ordered for ~900 from england...
[17:06:29] <a-u> I’ve been using LCNC for hmm a decade but just started a new build but from old kernel experience ...
[17:06:33] <_unreal_> sudo shutdown -fN
[17:06:37] <_unreal_> fark
[17:06:41] <miss0r2> this Brexit is giving me a some stress
[17:06:57] <miss0r2> Theres alot of stuff I need to get here before they put import taxes on it
[17:07:00] <andypugh> miss0r2: You need to train the engine to rebuilt itself: https://www.youtube.com
[17:07:32] <miss0r2> andypugh: I think its too old to teach it new tricks.. but it would be lovely :)
[17:07:42] <_unreal_> back around 8:30-9pm EST
[17:07:42] <a-u> ... Need to see if anyone else has attempted this RT on arm first.
[17:07:43] <miss0r2> The engine I'm rebuilding is from 1069
[17:07:51] <miss0r2> 1969*
[17:07:51] <_unreal_> a-u
[17:07:52] <_unreal_> yes
[17:07:53] <miss0r2> hehe
[17:08:06] <_unreal_> a bunch have but no one has posted there build files
[17:08:14] <_unreal_> bunch of youtube videos using tinker and lcnc
[17:08:17] <andypugh> Ah, I don’t know much about those modern engines.
[17:08:34] <_unreal_> ok I'm out
[17:20:45] <gloops> miss0r2 get a v8 in the landy
[17:36:57] <XXCoder> hey _unreal_ curious why must fiberglass
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[18:02:55] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:51:11] <XXCoder> this is cool. http://woodgears.ca
[18:51:15] <XXCoder> perfect for cold shops
[19:10:11] <andypugh> Something very ED209 about that
[19:10:17] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com
[19:10:35] <XXCoder> lol
[19:11:35] <XXCoder> grid on "windscreen" is noticable different on walking and standing
[19:11:42] <XXCoder> didnt notice till now
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[19:16:50] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[19:17:17] <XXCoder> hey
[19:17:22] <XXCoder> whats up
[19:17:38] <pink_vampire> I'm fine
[19:18:00] <andypugh> Scary thing, I was trying to think up a way to find that scene, and then remembered that the robot was called ED209. I am pretty sure I have only seen the film once.
[19:18:01] <pink_vampire> work on my next pyvcp screen
[19:18:19] <XXCoder> andy honestly nobody knows how their memory works
[19:18:57] <andypugh> I wish it would remember stuff that I know I wil need to know in the future.
[19:19:12] <XXCoder> me too, man, me too.
[19:19:14] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: andypugh https://www.youtube.com
[19:19:23] <andypugh> People’s names would be a good thing. Or a shorter route to the LinuxCNC prameter numbers page
[19:19:26] <jthornton> that would be a trick for sure
[19:19:33] <pink_vampire> jthornton:
[19:19:40] <jthornton> yo
[19:19:42] <XXCoder> vertical and bit shaky nit hard for me to follow but will attempt to.
[19:19:47] <Wolf__> XXCoder: thats kinda neat, my split system heat pump has thermal tracking built in to them
[19:19:58] <pink_vampire> look at the youtube i post
[19:20:10] <andypugh> watching
[19:20:15] <XXCoder> nice finally see your probe in action
[19:20:27] <jthornton> from this morning?
[19:20:47] <XXCoder> just read news... at seaside park someone stole the dog poo trash bin
[19:20:51] <pink_vampire> i think so
[19:20:55] <XXCoder> that is strange thing to steal
[19:21:22] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: novelty item
[19:21:32] <XXCoder> maybe
[19:21:36] <andypugh> That seems an astishingly accurately sized piece of foam!
[19:22:08] <XXCoder> theres germany town of fucking, they had signs stolen by american tourists few times before they placed sign in secure place in metal box plastic glass on front.
[19:22:22] <andypugh> (It took me two listens to figure out you are saying “pie vee sea pee” as I always say “Pee Why Vee Cee Pee”)
[19:22:41] <pink_vampire> andypugh: heh yeah!
[19:22:52] <XXCoder> people steal weird stuff. here in washington state people kept stealing mile 69 post then they finally had it and put in 68.9 mile post. its unique
[19:22:53] <andypugh> XXCoder: Probably not Americans, I blame UK-ers
[19:23:17] <XXCoder> maybe
[19:23:59] <andypugh> They might have a simialr problem in the Orkneys: https://goo.gl
[19:24:55] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org
[19:25:13] <andypugh> Yes, I have been there. Just because.
[19:25:23] <XXCoder> i want to lol
[19:25:44] <XXCoder> "[e]veryone here knows what it means in English, but for us Fucking is Fucking—and it's going to stay Fucking."
[19:27:37] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Did you buy or make the probe?
[19:27:51] <pink_vampire> made it years ago
[19:28:02] <pink_vampire> it even beep
[19:28:07] <andypugh> (I have an idea for a home-made probe design that I think can be made on a drill press)
[19:28:34] <pink_vampire> i will be happy to try it
[19:29:15] <andypugh> The idea is to “borrow” precision from: https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk
[19:30:08] <pink_vampire> i don't get why you need it?
[19:30:43] <XXCoder> andypugh: saw one design in here that just uses precision rods
[19:30:46] <XXCoder> nothing else
[19:30:57] <andypugh> Yes, that was pretty much my idea
[19:30:59] <XXCoder> (well besides body itself and small amount of circuits)
[19:31:18] <andypugh> When you say “in here” do you mean this IRC?
[19:31:32] <XXCoder> yeah it wasnt recent, it was quite a while agi
[19:31:41] <pink_vampire> if you are talking about the kinematic one with the 6 balls, you dont have to make them 120 deg
[19:31:52] <andypugh> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[19:32:04] <XXCoder> it was you!
[19:32:25] <andypugh> Yes, I just haven’t got round to making one yet
[19:32:52] <andypugh> pink_vampire: No. In fact they don’t even have to be very accurate as long as there is a way to adjust and centre the stylus
[19:32:59] <Wolf__> I have posted pics of renishaw guts before
[19:33:11] <andypugh> (and for a CMM machine they don’t even need to be centred)
[19:33:18] <XXCoder> how would you do those angled holes anyway
[19:33:42] <andypugh> Wolf__: I have taken my Renishaw apart, and have two different designs by Zeiss
[19:33:45] <XXCoder> would be easy with 5 axis
[19:34:11] <andypugh> XXCoder: Angle a vice under a pillar drill. Then rotate the collet block in the vice.
[19:34:22] <XXCoder> interesting
[19:34:26] <pink_vampire> seams very interesting design - but the tip MUST be smaller then the ball
[19:34:36] <XXCoder> all you need is nut type (6 sides) and skil each other side
[19:34:41] <pink_vampire> i have sine plate
[19:34:49] <XXCoder> skip
[19:35:00] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com larger MP3 head
[19:35:40] <pink_vampire> ok i'm , jealous.
[19:35:57] <XXCoder> andypugh: i was thinking on how to make super flat variant
[19:36:00] <Wolf__> mp1 is dead simple to align as well https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[19:36:23] <XXCoder> the entire probe body'd need to be only half inch not counting rod for spindle t grip it, and probe
[19:36:28] <andypugh> Wolf__: If you press the tool-release with your MP3 probe in place then one of those three prongs can snap off, as well as destryoying the stylus. DAMHIK
[19:37:05] <Wolf__> though whoever had the thing was clueless, the ball was missing that goes between the body and the mount shank
[19:37:14] <andypugh> Wolf__: Same here
[19:37:31] <andypugh> Though mine was a “Renshaw” which makes them much cheaper on eBay
[19:38:02] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:38:27] <andypugh> pink_vampire: That yours?
[19:38:34] <XXCoder> lol i remember that. been a while
[19:38:38] <pink_vampire> yeah
[19:38:47] <Wolf__> I caught mine for $90 us, for some odd reason it had like 14 people watching in on ebay, yet I got it w/ the make offer button, then got the mi5 interface box 2 days later from the same seller lol
[19:39:06] <pink_vampire> and it is still on my necklace
[19:39:16] <andypugh> Mine was £50.
[19:39:34] <andypugh> But I don’t use it any more after finding 10 (!) Zeiss probes in the skip at work
[19:39:45] <andypugh> (Which are a lot smallr)
[19:39:56] <Wolf__> hah nice
[19:41:36] <andypugh> Zeiss probe and the adjustable holder I made to mount it in my spindle: https://photos.app.goo.gl
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[19:43:01] <Wolf__> oo that is nice
[19:43:48] <XXCoder> andypugh: skip = trash?
[19:43:50] <Wolf__> Mp1s was $100, mi5 box was $60, my memory failed lol
[19:44:44] <andypugh> XXCoder: Yes
[19:44:55] <Wolf__> XXCoder: correct, skip=dumpster
[19:45:07] <XXCoder> people threw expensive probes away?
[19:45:34] <Wolf__> common fate for EOL stuff in commercial business
[19:46:35] <andypugh> I have a Renishaw TP200 module that I paid £15 for, but I don’t know if it works. They appear to have a cunning interface...
[19:47:50] <andypugh> I suspect that the CMM went some time ago and somebody found the probes in a cupboard.
[19:48:43] <andypugh> (I was at risk of dismissal for taking them home, they spent several months in my desk drawer while I pondered on the risk)
[19:49:26] <andypugh> Somebody was fired in the past for taking car parts out of the skips and selling them on eBay..
[19:49:50] <andypugh> And that isn’t just a tale. It was about 4 years ago, and I knew the guy.
[19:50:22] <XXCoder> virtually only thing i took out of shop was nylon pucks and more recently bunch of ethernet cables thrown in trash
[19:50:35] <XXCoder> it was cuttings too small for shop to use, but just fine for home!
[19:56:42] <andypugh> The linearity of these potentiometers is astonishing
[19:58:07] <andypugh> Positioning with a 65k count encoder and measuring voltage with a 32 bit DAC I have an R-squared of 0.9999920
[20:03:07] <jdh> I dug about 15 beautiful right angle 10:1 gearboxes out of the trash at work. All new in plastic.
[20:03:42] <jdh> eventually through 10 of them out again. Still have 5 in a cabinet in a lab.
[20:03:47] <jdh> threw
[20:04:41] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:04:47] <XXCoder> sometimes i wonder on trash stuff
[20:05:32] <XXCoder> andypugh: you will lol on this https://www.ebay.com
[20:05:52] <XXCoder> its one of two i have been running while it was still running parts
[20:05:53] <andypugh> I saw it yeaterday. It’s very cue.
[20:06:00] <XXCoder> oh lol oj
[20:06:07] <andypugh> (cute)
[20:06:14] <XXCoder> i still find it funny that i can see my tool cart refected off it
[20:06:26] <andypugh> Is the price reasonable?
[20:06:35] <andypugh> Or is that the source of humour?
[20:06:48] <XXCoder> well new is $60,000 and spindle and toolchanger servo have been fixed
[20:07:03] <XXCoder> so pretty reasonable I would think. just dont have delusion of it being production.
[20:07:08] <andypugh> Incidentally, arceurotrade have some significant discounts at the moment, including on the tiny CNC mill.
[20:07:46] <XXCoder> if you decide to get it, never ever use air pressure to blow chips around under table area. it might push chips upwards inside back castiron column and mess with z sensor.
[20:08:01] <XXCoder> which means spindle stops too early on way up and tool corsel crashes into it.
[20:08:26] <XXCoder> direct experence
[20:08:51] <andypugh> I don’t see me buying a 29k mill on the wrong side of the Atlantic
[20:09:11] <jdh> XXCoder: you only have 5s? We have 7!
[20:09:12] <XXCoder> indeed just explaining why it might be reasonable for local guy
[20:09:22] <XXCoder> 5s?
[20:09:44] <jdh> The note on that Haas
[20:09:48] <jdh> or was that not yours?
[20:10:07] <XXCoder> anyway on right in first image you could barely see one of robodrills lol i love those machines.
[20:10:21] <XXCoder> i ran it a lot when it was live but its shops not mine
[20:10:32] <andypugh> pink_vampire: I reckon with that necklace most people will say “Eh? That’s strange” but the right sort of people will say “Ooh! Cool!”
[20:10:42] <XXCoder> i may be literally last person to run it, i closed out the job when it was done. no job since
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[20:15:43] <_unreal_> GOD what a long drive
[20:15:50] <XXCoder> welcome back
[20:17:14] <andypugh> They seem to be investing heavily in Grob HMCs at work at the moment. I had never heard of them until large expensive crates started to appear.
[20:18:30] <XXCoder> _unreal_: that project you talked about needing a fiberglass shell, curious why fiberglass is a requirement heh
[20:46:33] <_unreal_> ?
[20:47:01] <_unreal_> What is your understanding of what I was talking about because I think I'm confused on what your talking about :)
[20:47:22] <XXCoder> you linked to that project lets see if i can find it
[20:47:29] <_unreal_> I built a mold to make a SHELL, fiberglass is easy to work with and I'm a masterglass man.
[20:47:40] <_unreal_> XXCoder, thats just photos of my shell for the computer to control the cnc machine
[20:47:50] <Wolf__> boat guy ^
[20:48:04] <_unreal_> if any one is interested in one of those shell's I'll gladly build/sell one....
[20:48:11] <XXCoder> https://photos.google.com
[20:48:45] <XXCoder> is it cnc controller or what
[20:48:58] <_unreal_> very customize able as well
[20:49:17] <_unreal_> the shell just houses the computer for the CNC machine and the touch display
[20:49:22] <_unreal_> in a nice small package
[20:49:27] <XXCoder> nice
[20:49:27] <_unreal_> light very strong
[20:49:35] <_unreal_> industrial
[20:49:58] <Wolf__> should have laid up CF
[20:50:03] <Wolf__> =)
[20:50:18] <_unreal_> so as I said if anyone is interested in one I will build/sell them. but I'm also offering a free one to anyone IN USA.. that can fix my software problem before I do
[20:50:41] <_unreal_> I sell them now and then to RPI peole
[20:50:44] <_unreal_> they love them
[20:50:52] <_unreal_> err it
[20:52:38] <XXCoder> it does look cool but meh
[20:52:43] <XXCoder> ill just keep my linuxcnc pc lol
[20:53:11] <_unreal_> uploading a few new photos
[20:53:19] <_unreal_> granded this is my version of the shell
[20:53:35] <_unreal_> it can be cut and altered in any way someone desires
[20:54:04] <XXCoder> kinda wonder how easy it is to make fiberglass stuff
[20:54:31] <Wolf__> depends on end use
[20:55:35] <Wolf__> I totally forgot about that option to cover the electronic on my plasma thing
[20:55:52] <_unreal_> depends on your knowlage of working the material and resin type used
[20:56:26] <XXCoder> guess that makes sense
[20:56:40] <Wolf__> or if it doesnt matter how crappy it looks =)
[20:57:01] <_unreal_> if you dont know how the resin is going to act how much working time, if its going to run on you. if air entrapment will be an issue.....
[20:57:02] <_unreal_> on and pon
[20:57:03] <_unreal_> on
[20:57:25] <_unreal_> looks crappy typically = fail easily
[20:58:06] <Wolf__> yeah, but end use… need cover or needs to float/sea worthy is different things
[20:59:11] <_unreal_> Wolf__, one of the things I want to do when I finish building the cnc machine is add a 3d printer setup to it. so I can leave it covered most of the time or open it up clean everything and be able to 3d print a mold
[20:59:36] <_unreal_> that would likely save a lot of time if its highly detailed vers building by hand
[20:59:55] <_unreal_> heh my daughter just goes "daddy you type fast"
[21:00:05] <Wolf__> I’ve helped make ugly things, like fiberglass sub woofer boxes using polar tech type fleece and mdf as a base
[21:00:16] <_unreal_> hum
[21:00:42] <_unreal_> ever need insight on howto's for glass let me know
[21:01:16] <Wolf__> pull crappy fabric taunt on a frame w/ some stiffiners in place, then resin it, then lay up glass over that base
[21:01:50] <Wolf__> granted that we were replacing a back seat of a car w/ 15” subs…
[21:04:20] <Wolf__> probably not the right way to do things, but it worked for the most part
[21:04:48] <_unreal_> dirt cheap 9" or smaller roller frames are great for resin layup
[21:05:01] <_unreal_> are you using the walmart/home depot fiberglass resin?
[21:05:30] <Wolf__> I dont remember, at home I use west system stuff
[21:05:43] <_unreal_> much better choice
[21:06:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: cradek Well.... it looks like you can NOT have/use two propane regulators in series =(
[21:07:36] <_unreal_> o,O thats kind of a given
[21:07:44] <Wolf__> umm, if they are both expecting tank pressure, probably not
[21:09:42] <Jymmm> Wolf__: Well, there are no "real specs" on the consumer regulators, and the product "mafufactures" say "it should work".... NOT (bastards)
[21:10:06] <pink_vampire> is there a way to remove the deafaulr linux cnc gcode that get load each time
[21:10:18] <Jymmm> It could have just "passed thru" low pressure
[21:10:35] <pink_vampire> default*
[21:11:27] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[21:12:05] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: thanks!!
[21:13:13] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, are you in usa or other country?
[21:13:15] <_unreal_> just wondering
[21:13:32] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: np
[21:13:42] <pink_vampire> in the us
[21:14:00] <_unreal_> cool :)
[21:14:35] <pink_vampire> are you also from here?
[21:15:03] <_unreal_> florida
[21:15:06] <_unreal_> south
[21:15:13] <Wolf__> _unreal_ is likely from another planet.. or florida…
[21:15:20] <_unreal_> latter
[21:15:28] <_unreal_> originally from maine
[21:15:36] <_unreal_> I dont miss the BURRRRR
[21:15:53] <pink_vampire> i see why you move to florida
[21:15:54] <Wolf__> lol slight change
[21:16:05] <pink_vampire> im in ny
[21:16:25] <Wolf__> less moose in florida
[21:16:33] <XXCoder> florida is on other planet
[21:16:35] <_unreal_> more gator
[21:16:56] <_unreal_> well there was a 6' gator last week in the back yard
[21:16:59] <_unreal_> I have photos :)
[21:17:03] <Wolf__> lol
[21:18:41] <pink_vampire> are you using g40?
[21:18:58] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, just added a few new photos https://photos.google.com
[21:19:00] <XXCoder> heard gator is yjmmy eats
[21:19:04] <XXCoder> yummy
[21:19:11] <sync> that is not how they work Jymmm
[21:19:17] <_unreal_> btw the thing came out purple pink rather then blue as I had intended
[21:19:40] <XXCoder> bit of cool hippie pattern
[21:20:09] <_unreal_> we call it marble
[21:20:10] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: pink!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:20:20] <_unreal_> palm to face
[21:20:21] <_unreal_> heh
[21:20:36] <pink_vampire> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com
[21:20:41] <pink_vampire> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[21:21:07] <pink_vampire> this icon / logo is sooooooooooooooooooo cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:21:15] <_unreal_> 404
[21:22:18] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[21:23:18] <_unreal_> Thats the tinker board logo
[21:23:22] <_unreal_> for tinker OS
[21:23:30] <_unreal_> I dont use it though because asus does not update it
[21:23:33] <_unreal_> very annoying
[21:23:48] <pink_vampire> mm ok, i need one
[21:23:55] <_unreal_> a tinker board?
[21:24:04] <pink_vampire> no, just the logo
[21:24:09] <_unreal_> oh
[21:24:23] <pink_vampire> i have 2 rpi boards here
[21:24:40] <_unreal_> that shell I have is designed for RPI :)
[21:24:53] <_unreal_> the shell will take upto a 10" RPI lcd I believe
[21:25:03] <skunkworks> https://youtu.be
[21:26:12] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: grate job!!!
[21:26:48] <_unreal_> gets worm? if its getting to hot the current may be too high
[21:27:24] <_unreal_> current setting on motor controller vers resistance in motor.
[21:27:57] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: some motors can run abit hot
[21:28:43] <_unreal_> no argument but to hot to touch typically is over powered
[21:29:22] <_unreal_> I always current test a motor to ensure I'm getting the power I expect
[21:35:00] <pink_vampire> i can't open other file
[21:35:10] <_unreal_> pink say hello to my little friend... >:) https://drive.google.com
[21:35:33] <pink_vampire> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[21:35:36] <pink_vampire> cuteeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:35:42] <_unreal_> I'm feeding him loquats
[21:36:00] <_unreal_> loquat fruit comes out this time of year in florida
[21:36:09] <_unreal_> starts fruiting in late december
[21:36:55] <_unreal_> That guy is about 4' long nose to tip of his tail
[21:37:28] <pink_vampire> config is not configs
[21:38:02] <pink_vampire> i have fish
[21:38:14] <_unreal_> I have alagators :)
[21:39:01] <pink_vampire> not sure if it's a good idea
[21:39:03] <_unreal_> I have a canal in the back yard runs for 2 miles.... and all of the canals are inter connected with tubes so fish etc..... are free to travel
[21:42:20] <pink_vampire> mmm i might need a little vacation soon
[21:43:07] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: thanks!
[21:43:22] <andypugh> _unreal_: Too hot to touch is about 60C ( https://news.jm.com ) and most motors are good to at least 100C surface temp: https://www.plantengineering.com
[21:43:50] <_unreal_> andypugh, also depends on the magnet types used
[21:44:10] <_unreal_> to much power and it degrades the megnets
[21:44:19] <gregcnc> no spec sheet for the motor?
[21:44:21] <_unreal_> which also causes heat
[21:44:49] <skunkworks> not burn hot... but i want to mmaybe push the limit a bit.. maybe 1kw
[21:45:16] <skunkworks> it is rated 750w
[21:45:41] <andypugh> True. Though Nd ae good to 150C, Samarium to 300C
[21:45:43] <_unreal_> ! I forget waht those motoors I ordered are rated for W wise?
[21:46:03] <gregcnc> Some Nd will go that high
[21:46:25] <_unreal_> andypugh, heat and over power are different animals.... heat is bad for magnets but over current is even worse
[21:46:26] <skunkworks> being brushless and the coils being statonary.. cooling goes a long way
[21:46:46] <gregcnc> yes, you'll likely be fine
[21:46:46] <_unreal_> skunkworks, !!!! that I can agree with
[21:46:49] <Jymmm> sync: I found this out =)
[21:46:53] <Jymmm> sadly
[21:47:25] <andypugh> Just saying that “too hot to touch” is no indication that the motor is anywhere near max design temp.
[21:47:34] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com
[21:48:03] <pink_vampire> good!
[21:48:12] <andypugh> I went to Florida once. It rained every day
[21:48:19] <andypugh> At exactly 2pm.
[21:48:23] <_unreal_> and if you look at most motor data spec sheats to hot to touch and your power curve turns DOWN
[21:48:29] <pink_vampire> do you have 2 screws and a coconut?
[21:48:36] <_unreal_> andypugh, you want in the summer time
[21:48:50] <skunkworks> being i can get wattage out of the stmbl - it might be interesting to play with adaptive feed
[21:48:55] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, yes?
[21:49:09] <gregcnc> power rating are all related to temperature, that is how much heat you can shed
[21:49:14] <pink_vampire> have fun! https://www.youtube.com
[21:50:42] <pink_vampire> the best part 4:32
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[21:52:53] <andypugh> He is a rather foul-mouthed presenter isn’t he?
[21:54:16] <gregcnc> watching stateside the accent makes it funny as hell. I missed this one.
[21:54:56] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, That guy has never been laid
[21:55:43] <_unreal_> nothing like a veryack I forget the spelling and a bed side by side....
[21:55:55] <andypugh> Variac
[21:56:27] <_unreal_> variac
[21:56:28] <_unreal_> :)
[21:56:38] <_unreal_> I've had a few coronas also :)
[21:56:52] <_unreal_> but as that guy said fuckin ellll
[21:57:35] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com i need one
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[21:59:53] <andypugh> Poor flies :-(
[22:04:23] <sync> _unreal_: it is virtually impossible to demag a rare earth magnet in a servo
[22:04:51] <_unreal_> andypugh, I agree he killed those paper flies dead
[22:06:06] <andypugh> Paper flies have feelings too!
[22:06:22] <pink_vampire> do you think it is a good idea to add Z option in the hole center finder, or just leave it X and Y?
[22:06:50] <_unreal_> sync, quick google search and bing.com search and I get the samething over and over "The motor can be damaged by overheating, if operated above the rated voltage for a long time."
[22:07:16] <andypugh> I have never needed a Z. It is actually nice to jog to the point where the hole looks most suitable.
[22:07:18] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: it is normal
[22:08:10] <_unreal_> !! 10pm brb got to get the munchkin into bed
[22:08:24] <_unreal_> god what a long drive picking her up from her mom
[22:09:25] <pink_vampire> andypugh: do you set length for the x and y probing or just use a file with the maximum length?
[22:09:28] <_unreal_> Oh I got blamed by her mother today for NOT telling her that school vaca starts this weekend... I'm like WTF dumb ass you had no issues pulling up the school website to get the calander to the date for christmas vaca but cant be botherd to look for other vacas and your blaming me for "not" telling you
[22:12:26] <andypugh> pink_vampire: The code I use (from the “Macro” button in Touchy) takes a max radius as an input.
[22:12:46] <sync> that is different from overcurrent demag _unreal_
[22:12:49] <andypugh> It’s not my code, as it happens.
[22:12:54] <sync> you can cook them, sure
[22:13:25] <_unreal_> nothing like a nice slice of BBQ motor :)
[22:13:44] <_unreal_> OMG my daughter lost her tooth brush BRB
[22:14:05] <_unreal_> 10yo
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[22:14:27] <andypugh> pink_vampire: It’s this sample G-code from the LinuxCNC sample G codes folder of sample G-codes. https://github.com
[22:19:08] <pink_vampire> i'm testing his code
[22:19:19] <pink_vampire> i think my code is smarter
[22:20:40] <pink_vampire> yeah, he is using g90 and g91
[22:21:29] <pink_vampire> this is very nice way to destroy the machine if you stop the code in the middle
[22:22:06] <pink_vampire> my code use only absolute values
[22:22:45] <andypugh> Probably wise, though I have never had any problems.
[22:23:50] <pink_vampire> also you can select longer X travel, to fined center on rectangular parts that are longer then the Y axis
[22:34:40] <pink_vampire> is there a way to make the pyvcp meter ticks go all around?
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[23:13:02] <Elmo40> hi. anyone use a geckodrive for their servos?
[23:13:08] <Elmo40> https://www.geckodrive.com
[23:13:30] <pink_vampire> yes
[23:13:44] <pink_vampire> Elmo40: ^
[23:13:52] <Elmo40> i was thinking of using them on my bridgeport conversion.
[23:13:58] <Elmo40> yeah? how are they?
[23:14:18] <Elmo40> what more do i need to talk to linuxcnc?
[23:14:43] <pink_vampire> they not talk to anything
[23:14:55] <pink_vampire> they only get step and direction
[23:15:14] <Elmo40> they don't give encoder feedback? or do i wire that directly to the computer?
[23:15:22] <pink_vampire> no
[23:15:43] <Elmo40> so... how does linuxcnc know its position after a move?
[23:15:58] <pink_vampire> it don't
[23:16:21] <skunkworks> it assumes the servo did what it was supposed to...
[23:16:22] <pink_vampire> but the g320x can fix up to 2048 lines so..
[23:16:51] <Elmo40> lovely. more guessing.
[23:16:55] <XXCoder> can always use more advanced system using encoders etc
[23:17:03] <XXCoder> but more money of course
[23:17:14] <Elmo40> and any errors you tell the gecko what to do about it? (stop, play catch-up...) ?
[23:17:40] <pink_vampire> you don't do any of that
[23:17:52] <pink_vampire> it is just work as stepper but servo
[23:18:05] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[23:18:11] <pink_vampire> this is my panel
[23:18:14] <Elmo40> but there are tabs to connect encoders
[23:18:36] <pink_vampire> on the g320x?
[23:18:43] <pink_vampire> or in linux?
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[23:18:58] <Elmo40> the drive
[23:19:22] <Elmo40> isn't there?
[23:19:25] <pink_vampire> yes, you connect the ab signal from the encoder
[23:19:42] <Elmo40> and what does that tell gecko?
[23:19:49] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[23:20:05] <Elmo40> large heat sink!
[23:20:14] <Elmo40> and such ugly wiring... :-P
[23:20:15] <Rab> "An internally closed PID loop ensures your motor will maintain position and correct for lost steps while under load." The drive actuates the motor and reads the encoder to acquire the position commanded by the step/dir inputs.
[23:20:27] <Elmo40> all labeled and stuff. who has the time?
[23:20:27] <pink_vampire> they very cold
[23:21:10] <pink_vampire> Elmo40: all the hardware in the panel is ABB stuff
[23:21:50] <Elmo40> ok. so linuxcnc only assumes things were completed. if the servo stalls the encoder tells the gecko it can't complete the task and then what? will gecko tell linuxcnc that something happened?
[23:22:04] <Rab> The Gecko tries harder.
[23:22:30] <Elmo40> i supposed there are settings for that. try. try harder. try like hell... then give up.
[23:22:57] <Rab> Looks like there is an error output.
[23:22:59] <Elmo40> my question is this. how will linuxCNC know what happened?
[23:23:41] <Elmo40> if junior smashes the vice, it isn't going anywhere. i'd like linux to know this and stop everything (then sound the alarms) ;-)
[23:24:04] <pink_vampire> no
[23:24:06] <_unreal_> there just finished putting stand offs on my 24v psu for my small cnc machine or as pink_vampire put it the cute one
[23:24:12] <Rab> Looks like if something really bad happens, the drive enters fault condition and stops the motor.
[23:24:29] <pink_vampire> even very expensive machine just cut in to the vice
[23:24:32] <Elmo40> 'really bad' ?
[23:24:38] <Tom_itx> i went from cleaning the end on the lathe: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:24:42] <Tom_itx> to this: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:24:48] <Elmo40> things do stall out and the machine will halt.
[23:24:51] <Tom_itx> one program, no deburring
[23:25:03] <Tom_itx> one of the cross holes is threaded too
[23:25:17] <Elmo40> Tom_itx, nice
[23:25:33] <Elmo40> i'll take 50... what thread are they?
[23:25:43] <Tom_itx> 3/4 16
[23:25:49] <Tom_itx> fit a sherline spindle
[23:25:49] <Rab> "The voltage on this [the ERROR/RESET] terminal is +5VDC when the G320X is functioning normally. The voltage on this terminal goes to 0VDC whenever the FAULT indicator is lit. This output can be used to signal your controller that an error has occurred."
[23:26:03] <pink_vampire> Elmo40: you can set the current on the g320x, to try 20A for 1 sec, and it is also can give you error signal if you want - pin 5
[23:26:10] <skunkworks> Elmo40: if the gecko drive has a error output... that could be hooked into linuxcnc
[23:26:21] <Elmo40> nice.
[23:26:32] <Elmo40> now... to which pin?
[23:26:34] <Elmo40> LoL
[23:26:37] <Elmo40> i'll figure that one out.
[23:26:55] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
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[23:27:00] <Elmo40> it takes the same step/dir info as if it were a stepper driver?
[23:27:04] <pink_vampire> look here on the terminal block
[23:27:08] <Rab> I'm not sure what conditions cause the drive to fault, but maybe carefully reading the drive manual will shed some light.
[23:27:13] <pink_vampire> correct
[23:27:29] <Elmo40> pink_vampire, i meant on to linuxCNC. which pin do i connect the fault to.
[23:27:51] <Elmo40> Rab, yes yes... rtfm :-)
[23:28:47] <Elmo40> i do appreciate the quick help.
[23:28:48] <pink_vampire> Rab: missing lines on the encoder more then what you setup with the dip switch make it go in to the fault mode
[23:29:05] <pink_vampire> Elmo40: thanks
[23:29:06] <Rab> Elmo40, how are you interfacing with LinuxCNC?
[23:29:08] <Elmo40> is that caulse falut tolerance?
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[23:29:13] <Rab> pink_vampire, sweet
[23:29:37] <Rab> Like a parallel port breakout board, or something else?
[23:29:39] <Elmo40> Rab, that is what i don't know about... from the computer, how to connect to the driver?
[23:29:46] <Elmo40> i could do it that way, sure.
[23:29:52] <Elmo40> it is as simple as that?
[23:30:01] <Elmo40> 25pins on a par port, enough to do all this?
[23:30:23] <pink_vampire> you just connect it as your E-stop signal, and it kill the machine
[23:30:24] <Rab> Elmo40, needless to say, how to get that signal into LinuxCNC will depend on the number and type of inputs your interface has.
[23:30:30] <Elmo40> 3 axis. step/dir. maybe a common fault connection.
[23:30:45] <Rab> Don't forget your limit switches.
[23:30:55] <Elmo40> Rab, i have yet to acquire/build an interface.
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[23:31:00] <Elmo40> ah yes. limits.
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[23:31:07] <Elmo40> spindle rpm
[23:31:10] <pink_vampire> i don't use them
[23:31:15] <Elmo40> maybe coolant on/off
[23:31:18] <pink_vampire> also don't use that
[23:31:26] <pink_vampire> also don't use that
[23:31:31] <Elmo40> vice load/unload ;-)
[23:31:48] <Elmo40> coffee maker signal?
[23:32:06] <pink_vampire> i have 2 spindles on my machine
[23:32:28] <pink_vampire> the HF spindle have a controller
[23:32:32] <Elmo40> i've looked into a 90's Mazak. scared the shit out of me!! i don't expect this v-mill to be that horrific.
[23:32:51] <pink_vampire> and the low speed can work as DC or servo
[23:33:48] <Elmo40> so... about this 'interface'. What are my options?
[23:33:58] <Elmo40> is it as simple as connecting to the parport wires?
[23:34:07] <Elmo40> or do i need something inbetween?
[23:34:10] <pink_vampire> just get a c10
[23:34:23] <pink_vampire> or mesa board
[23:34:38] <pink_vampire> i have 2 c10 boards
[23:35:12] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
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[23:35:37] <pink_vampire> you can see the c10 boards on the left - next to the main switch
[23:36:00] <Elmo40> what are they, an anything I/O?
[23:37:07] <pink_vampire> convert the lpt output to something that is easy to work with
[23:37:19] <Elmo40> gotcha
[23:37:42] <Elmo40> turning more and more into that old 90's Mazak... I can see it now! Control box the size of a Honda >_<
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[23:38:29] <pink_vampire> this is just me
[23:38:50] <Rab> Elmo40, the absolute cheapest and least performant option is something like this: https://www.ebay.com
[23:38:52] <Elmo40> i want it to be reliable and serviceable
[23:39:14] <Elmo40> being 'stepper' doesn't matter?
[23:39:14] <Rab> The USB port is only for power.
[23:39:19] <pink_vampire> i like to make stuff in a way that i can upgrade stuff or maybe to put the computer inside
[23:39:50] <_unreal_> There my PSU is now mounted to the back of the control case
[23:39:57] <pink_vampire> Rab: this is a very bad board
[23:40:01] <_unreal_> and I'm talking about a different box then the pink one
[23:40:04] <Elmo40> Rab, I don't know... $8 is going to break the bank.
[23:40:56] <pink_vampire> i start with it, and i switch to the c10 after few days
[23:41:36] <Elmo40> who makes the C10?
[23:42:02] <Elmo40> https://www.ebay.com
[23:42:03] <Elmo40> this?
[23:43:07] <pink_vampire> correct
[23:43:35] <pink_vampire> i have the old version with the large components
[23:43:36] <Elmo40> so... that connects the linuxCNC box to the gecko drive?
[23:44:39] <pink_vampire> computer > lpt cable > c10 > step / dir / com signals > G320Xs
[23:44:52] <Elmo40> excellent.
[23:45:05] <Elmo40> honda control box, here I come!
[23:45:54] <pink_vampire> this is the bare minimum you need
[23:47:03] <Elmo40> what do you think of this setup?
[23:47:04] <Elmo40> https://www.ebay.com
[23:47:07] <Elmo40> ugh... sorry
[23:47:37] <Elmo40> https://www.ebay.com
[23:47:43] <Elmo40> C35 board.
[23:48:09] <pink_vampire> no idea
[23:48:22] <pink_vampire> maybe grate, maybe junk
[23:48:46] <Elmo40> who designates these numbers? Is there a brand with a website of info?
[23:49:25] <pink_vampire> it is just the model of the board
[23:50:08] <Rab> pink_vampire, does that C10 board have any isolation at all? Or just level shifting/buffering?
[23:50:12] <Elmo40> ok
[23:50:28] <pink_vampire> i got the c10 because it was the "gold standard" few years ago
[23:50:35] <Rab> pink_vampire, I agree that the $8 board is pretty crappy.
[23:50:41] <pink_vampire> Rab: no, it is just work
[23:51:59] <renesis> im not sure how to read that
[23:52:51] <pink_vampire> read what?
[23:53:20] <renesis> does it just work as it is functional, or it is for work so fuckit
[23:53:20] <Elmo40> is the parport the only way to reduce latency?
[23:53:27] <renesis> can i still say fuckit here?
[23:53:32] <Elmo40> sure
[23:53:35] <Elmo40> just did!
[23:53:47] <Elmo40> /me kicks renesis
[23:53:48] <Elmo40> ;-)
[23:53:57] <Elmo40> damn spacebar! LoL
[23:53:59] <renesis> :O
[23:55:16] <pink_vampire> renesis: it is just very good board, (without opto
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[23:55:22] <renesis> why cant you just go from lpt cable to drive inputs?
[23:55:50] <pink_vampire> i have no idea,
[23:56:06] <Rab> Elmo40, a big step up from the parport method is to use a Mesa FPGA interface card that can read the encoders and close the servo loop in the FPGA. I don't have such a setup, so can't really advise. http://www.mesanet.com
[23:56:13] <renesis> i guess would take some 1337 DMM skillz
[23:56:16] <pink_vampire> i tried that once yearsss ago
[23:56:21] <Rab> bedtime
[23:57:09] <Elmo40> pink_vampire, was it completed? did it work out?
[23:58:33] <pink_vampire> no, you can't go from the lpt to the drive, the signals are not very reliable, this is why you need the BOB
[23:59:30] <Elmo40> also for isolation?
[23:59:36] <Elmo40> or use something else for that?
[23:59:58] <pink_vampire> i'm thinking about upgrade my setup to a mesa card, i'm maxed out the steps on my lpts