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[03:37:39] <pink_vampire> is there a way to control the location of the "debug messages"?
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[04:15:26] <pink_vampire> https://web.archive.org
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[04:23:54] <Deejay> moin
[04:24:02] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
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[05:09:46] <XXCoder> jymmm: now impiles it was new. it is not.
[05:10:02] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[05:10:05] <XXCoder> hey
[05:10:20] <XXCoder> work was so boring.
[05:11:25] <pink_vampire> do you know where is the setting of the location for the "debug messages"?
[05:12:26] <XXCoder> unfortunately no but jt should be on soomish
[05:13:00] <XXCoder> $12,000 left on car yayyy :P
[05:13:06] <XXCoder> i hate debt.
[05:13:21] <pink_vampire> i want to move them abit, it cover the pyvcp menu
[05:13:27] <sensille> debt is modern slavery
[05:14:24] <XXCoder> yep
[05:14:45] <XXCoder> unfortunately i needed a newer car. tired of fix or repair daily
[05:15:18] <pink_vampire> my car is old
[05:15:21] <sensille> now, work harder!
[05:15:39] <XXCoder> nah didnt need to increase work to afford loan payments.
[05:15:47] <XXCoder> i dont go into red. ever.
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[05:55:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:55:54] <pink_vampire> hi jthornton
[05:56:49] <XXCoder> hey jt
[05:57:02] <XXCoder> jthornton: job was boring and annoying lol
[05:57:10] <XXCoder> I hate finish requirement jobs :(
[05:57:13] <XXCoder> 32 finish ugh
[05:57:35] <jthornton> surface finish?
[05:57:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:57:58] <XXCoder> I have to check each few parts. its stainless steel so it wears tools
[05:58:13] <XXCoder> tools are techinically still good but no good for keeping finish below 32.
[06:02:59] <jthornton> I've never had to do a finish requirement so I know less than nothing about it lol
[06:03:32] <XXCoder> we got special equipment for measuring it lol it looks like long smallish 1"x1" box attached to height gauge
[06:03:48] <XXCoder> it has arm with pin that kinda looks like vinyl player thing
[06:04:10] <XXCoder> it moves in slowly then returns, then controller box displays result
[06:07:47] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:08:07] <XXCoder> yo
[06:08:08] <jthornton> morning
[06:08:17] <XXCoder> today was another record busting day
[06:08:23] <XXCoder> 79f, orginial record was 63f
[06:08:39] <XXCoder> 16 degrees higher than old record.
[06:09:43] <Tom_L> yup, day older and still here :)
[06:10:03] <XXCoder> tomorrow probably will be 90f :P kidding
[06:10:17] <XXCoder> this does not bode well for summer for this region :(
[06:10:34] <Tom_L> gotta dry up all the moisture you got
[06:10:47] <XXCoder> thats it, spring is supposed to be rain forever
[06:10:58] <XXCoder> this is rainforest biome after all
[06:11:00] <jthornton> weather will be nice here for the next few days
[06:11:10] <Tom_L> finish can be a PITA sometimes...
[06:11:16] <XXCoder> summer should have rain in least once a week but havent been true for years now
[06:11:19] <XXCoder> Tom_L: no shit
[06:12:42] <XXCoder> thankfully finish is very rare
[06:12:54] <XXCoder> and im always "lucky" on getting those jobs though
[06:14:25] <Tom_L> they must know you can do it
[06:14:34] <XXCoder> nobody likes that job
[06:14:38] <XXCoder> "yo do it"
[06:14:39] <XXCoder> lol
[06:14:51] <Tom_L> jthornton, got 2.8 running last night thanks to dgarr & andy
[06:15:07] <XXCoder> but yeah I can do it, just dislike it. its far from worse though
[06:16:06] <Tom_L> do they have finish inspection samples?
[06:16:22] <jthornton> what was the issue for you?
[06:16:28] <Tom_L> 2
[06:16:32] <Tom_L> .py wrong version
[06:16:57] <Tom_L> and near component aparently has a bug in 2.7 because i had it commented out going the spindle signal
[06:17:03] <Tom_L> and 2.8 caught it
[06:17:27] <Tom_L> spindle.0.at-speed
[06:18:13] <Tom_L> worked fine in 2.7
[06:24:47] <XXCoder> interesting https://futurism.com
[06:35:59] <XXCoder> ohhh https://www.youtube.com
[06:37:30] <jthornton> too much trying to be an actor and failing badly
[06:38:08] <pink_vampire> is there a way to display only 3 decimal points in a debug messages?
[06:38:48] <XXCoder> jthornton: last video?
[06:38:53] <jthornton> yea
[06:39:06] <XXCoder> yeah hes not great lol but like to see projects of his
[06:39:15] <jthornton> I bail pretty quick when they are waving hands and trying to act lol
[06:39:29] <XXCoder> i definitely want to try that one. epoxy recreation of bug in amber
[06:39:36] <jthornton> pink_vampire: you would have to dig into the code
[06:41:25] <XXCoder> that video pre-dates his discovery that vacuum could fix bubbles, but even later high pressure does it easier
[06:41:31] <pink_vampire> i already solved the location of the debug messages , now i just want to reduce the default 6 decimal points to something more readable like 2 or 3
[06:43:50] <jthornton> is it python?
[06:44:24] <pink_vampire> i have no idea
[06:45:15] <pink_vampire> i mean if you send a command from a gcode file to display a value, you get xx.xxxxxx
[06:46:20] <jthornton> you said you found the location of debug or did you move the debug in axis?
[06:48:15] <pink_vampire> in the message it give you 6 decimal points , i want to make it shorter so i don't need to change anything
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[08:00:13] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[09:27:08] <gregcnc> Wow https://www.practicalmachinist.com
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[09:32:13] <SpeedEvil> hah
[09:33:08] * Loetmichel just retruned from a 450km delivery drive roundtrip in the new old BMW 525i... its a LOT more comfortable at 230kph than the Opel Omega... its thirsty at that speed though. 46 liters premium petrol for the trip. And i drove "tame" 130kph on the way back :-)
[09:53:06] <miss0r2> germans and their "no speed limit"...
[09:53:08] <miss0r2> :)
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[09:56:06] <Loetmichel> what?
[09:56:27] <Loetmichel> 230kph isnt that fast. barely 140 mph!
[09:57:02] <miss0r2> Don't translate that for me, I'm from Denmark, remember? :D
[09:57:10] <miss0r2> It is pretty fucking fast :D
[09:59:05] <gregcnc> fast enough they send out a hearse vs amubalnce?
[09:59:26] <gregcnc> in case of wreck
[10:03:40] <miss0r2> something like that :D
[10:07:51] <jymmm> More like a tractor to bury on site
[10:12:28] <Loetmichel> ah sorry ;)
[10:13:06] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: depends on the werck and the car
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[10:13:17] <Loetmichel> on a motorcycle its pretty much a death sentence
[10:13:35] <Loetmichel> in a BMW 5xx touring: not so much
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[10:13:49] <Loetmichel> unless you hit something solid at full speed
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[10:20:09] <jymmm> Even a blowout, or something in the road and you are pretty much screwed at that speed
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[10:23:28] <Elmo40> what? the roads are perfectly smooth and clean? say it ain't so.
[10:23:41] <Elmo40> even racetracks are filthy.
[10:24:01] <Elmo40> gregcnc, nice lathe! you getting it?
[10:24:53] <gregcnc> no I have a beat up clausing, but I am looking for something like a Harrsion 250 or 300
[10:25:20] <gregcnc> Harrison
[10:27:30] <Elmo40> that lathe was $2,800 brand new in 1984.
[10:28:32] <Elmo40> even with inflation, that lathe would only equate to $6,300 today.
[10:29:35] <Loetmichel> jymmm: as i said: not my personal experience
[10:30:02] <Loetmichel> if there is nothing you can hit (like bridges) a blowout at 230kph is pretty harmless...
[10:30:37] <Loetmichel> piroetted 3 times, got the car back under control and slowed down to a standstill on the shoulder
[10:30:45] <Loetmichel> the rim was trash though
[10:30:45] <Elmo40> ;-)
[10:30:50] <gregcnc> A guy I knew fliped in a E36 convertible at 30MPH due to blow out.
[10:48:27] <SpeedEvil> Convertibles are great. The feeling of asphalt in your hair.
[10:49:02] <Loetmichel> gregcnc:like that one? -> https://www.youtube.com
[10:49:04] <Loetmichel> :-)
[10:49:36] <Loetmichel> had no blowout in that, but shortly after the video the engine threw a rod at 160kph
[10:49:39] <Loetmichel> wasnt funny
[10:49:52] <Loetmichel> no crahs though, but quite a bit of oil on the autobahn
[10:50:21] <Loetmichel> pushed the clutch fast enough to prevent a spinout
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[10:59:24] <gregcnc> my E36 is fine except for interior falling apart
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[11:35:33] <jymmm> gregcnc: spray foam and it's good as new ;)
[11:39:33] <mozmck> Loetmichel: I thought you drove on the left side in Deutschland?
[11:43:58] <Loetmichel> mozmck: hu?
[11:44:12] <Loetmichel> germany isnt GB ;)
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[11:44:28] <mozmck> Guess I was wrong then!
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[11:50:35] <beachbumpete1> JEEZ is it Friday yet? ;)
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[11:52:35] <Loetmichel> beachbumpete1: nope, still a day to go
[11:52:49] <beachbumpete1> GAAhhhhh
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[11:59:33] <Lcvette> hey all
[12:00:30] <Lcvette> any of you running a USFF small box pc with mesa ethernet? if so which and how is latency?
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[12:10:40] <gregcnc> huh youtube filters are intentionally broken right now
[12:21:41] <jymmm> filters?
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[12:32:42] <SpeedEvil> Filters have aways been ratehr broken.
[12:33:01] <SpeedEvil> I mean - how can I say I want to see videos older than 10y, for example.
[12:40:34] <Tom_L> ask siri?
[12:40:44] <Tom_L> bing?
[12:41:22] <Tom_L> beachbumpete1 day draggin on for ya?
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[12:51:58] <Lcvette> Tom_L: what little pc's are you running with good latency now days?
[12:52:07] <Lcvette> i need one for a little lathe build i am doing
[12:52:23] <Lcvette> ethernet or pcie
[12:52:33] <Lcvette> for mesa's
[12:52:50] <pink_vampire> someone know how can I display only 3 decimal places in the "debug messages" instead the default 6 decimal places?
[12:59:27] <Deejay> in metric, 3 decimal places would be enough for me ;)
[13:02:48] <pink_vampire> for the stuff that i do even 2 will be fine
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[13:06:45] <pcw_home> Lcvette: I find used Elite 8300s are pretty nice if you turn off the Intel Ethernet spyware
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[13:08:14] <pcw_home> https://www.ebay.com
[13:08:14] <pcw_home> 2FCmy1uac7OCv8Hwi1pJz3BhtOGfD1EmbO9vt5aT6gnay5t5eQz1rNW1K8ohzyLsHMoVvizSwB%2Fbvljkl%2FgRxSrTYrX%2FJgauZeVZLRQjytg2j%2BatfXJwQ%2FYIOUAfzOQbd0GzamHjPEaxrAg84QJZAj6X2YiQSRq3h7PcXNZ%2B22Xtyjtt8oAUHTz4ReNFfwd7KRKjAgd01mBYyhsETWMvDKub9jFZ6vaUGOc0LEKc2W27zIUcPn3d8N8A1Ph0unD5ZHgkxc3QZ9r3W8uVecaT5KVaWuwQUxV3ZX%2FUkiOKcsOnpRP7HjbG41p%2B7dinBRsyevvr8cAxNNaWEQbST4sHOkmvwNO96Kfc0ehPQ7PpewNbXDWO%2FxsoMAxMQfz9SPQ9Nxbhoaw0iw%2BGOz85%2BK0wRRb2
[13:08:15] <pcw_home> fUnGhl53UWCK%2BO%2Fam2s3zPxb9mtaKk9RGYyouGi6aBbzxRvqHg8QTJ9kgflb4SlTUfyosqKj2xoORF1MMtDxxpLv5mrGFrWB4MT9lX9u8W1v1J2XYn6%2FFin6bz4AhxKSshHs1kOBps6HzmTzm%2BLnhuAyLrsQA2hwfVleSbrseuw%2B29yyBMTjdq%2FEtQdwVh75O%2FCvu%2FZgQd5kdm8qTVYt9EKjOgPqIwzVyiJ5iVn%2FKqxMf8PvxDoh7On7u4ZOy8vJHshrqvLk2t92rhhqCUHNb5ReWPXPAQuXeex4GO%2B8199cb1zO%2B9oskptlH6lMb33EE8hxI63S4uObo2&checksum=1534121880147361b1b024624e33be2fd3cb94ffbb48
[13:08:29] <Lcvette> i was just looking at gigabytes website and it looks like the newest J4005 D2P built in has an M.2 socket :D
[13:08:35] <Lcvette> pcw_home: have any experience with them?
[13:08:44] <jymmm> Gawd, I hate when ebay does that =(
[13:08:45] <pcw_home> Oops so sorry for the ginormous URL
[13:09:03] <jymmm> https://www.ebay.com
[13:09:40] <jymmm> Ok, does anyone have a clue... https://i.imgur.com
[13:09:50] <pcw_home> Yes its one of the few cheap PCs that works up to about 4 KHz with Ethernet
[13:10:14] <Lcvette> yeah?
[13:10:16] <Lcvette> its good?
[13:10:32] <pcw_home> Yeah but you have to turn off AMT or its crappy
[13:10:54] <Lcvette> no clue what that is
[13:10:59] <Lcvette> lol
[13:11:25] <pcw_home> I forget what that's an acronym for
[13:11:25] <Lcvette> as long as i can use the M.2 hard drive to keep it tiny
[13:11:26] <Lcvette> im good
[13:11:45] <pcw_home> This is old so SATA only
[13:12:03] <jymmm> pcw_home: as opposed to what? MFM?
[13:12:28] <pcw_home> SMD?
[13:12:33] <Lcvette> https://www.gigabyte.com
[13:12:50] <jymmm> pcw_home: ah
[13:13:04] <pcw_home> I think the 4005s are OK I have a slower version (N3355)
[13:13:09] <Lcvette> this one says M.2 for sata and pcie NVMe SSD
[13:13:14] <pcw_home> OK for 1 KHz
[13:14:01] <Lcvette> oh this ones no good then?
[13:14:48] <pcw_home> No fine for 1 KHz (which is fine for step/dir or velocity mode drives)
[13:14:55] <beachbumpete1> Tom_L naah just being funny. Howsitgoin?
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[13:16:21] <beachbumpete1> Speaking of PC's I am trying to find a good deal on a cheap or used desktop to run my music production software on. I use Reaper and currently run it on my laptop but I am getting tired of having to hook everything up all the time LOL
[13:16:55] <Lcvette> pcw_home: how do you know which is good for 1khz and which is good for 1khz?
[13:16:59] <Lcvette> whats the identifier?
[13:17:18] <Lcvette> 4khz and 1khz
[13:18:29] <pcw_home> testing is the only way I know (though faster machines usually do better on Preempt-RT)
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[13:23:12] <Lcvette> pcw_home: this is the first little onboard cpu mobo ive come across with m.2 for ssd nvme
[13:23:22] <Lcvette> it appears its a new model
[13:23:31] <Lcvette> wonder if its any better than the older ones
[13:24:52] <Lcvette> seems like a rare feature int he mini ITX's
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[13:29:08] <pink_vampire> where is the code that build the tabs "manual control" and "MDI"?
[13:29:11] <Lcvette> https://www.gigabyte.com
[13:29:34] <pink_vampire> i want to merge them to a single tab
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[13:36:10] <Lcvette> pcw_home: do you know the ASRock H97M Pro 4 and G3258 Pentium is? 1khz or 4khz?
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[13:42:02] <jymmm> pink_vampire: Nooooooooooooooo, you can't do that, ever ever ever
[13:42:34] <pink_vampire> why?
[13:42:44] <pink_vampire> jymmm: ??
[13:43:14] <jymmm> pink_vampire because you cut your nails after giving me so much slack over them ;)
[13:43:42] <pink_vampire> they grow...
[13:47:52] <pcw_home> Lcvette: H97+G3258 4KHz
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[14:32:37] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: those are different 'modes' in linuxcnc...
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[14:53:39] <Lcvette> pcw_home: \o/ Hurray!! :D
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[15:05:00] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Switching tabs switches modes. Combining them would be awkward. You would probably have to grey-out one or the other set of buttons depending on which were valid for the mode. So the tabs make more sense.
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[15:12:41] <JT-Shop> pink_vampire: you should just build a new GUI it would be simpler that modifying Axis
[15:13:16] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: not sure how to do that
[15:13:33] <pink_vampire> andypugh: yeah, that was the idea
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[15:15:13] <JT-Shop> https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
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[15:18:31] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: thanks! this is look very informative
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[15:37:36] <gloops> lol, got the mrs installing linux mint after windows 10 went down again, these first time linuxers...
[15:38:11] <XXCoder> heh dunno windows tend to be damn near immortal for me
[15:38:23] <XXCoder> even shitty ones like windows me
[15:39:13] <gloops> this windows has been ok for me, she hasnt had much luck, told her i can get her up and running in 30 minutes, shes installing linux now
[15:39:21] <pink_vampire> gloops: now get some solidworks on it
[15:39:48] <gloops> lol pink_vampire she doesnt use anything like that
[15:40:08] <pink_vampire> *yet
[15:40:41] <gloops> nah, mainly office crap, powerpoint, word etc
[15:41:22] <gloops> *facebook*
[15:41:31] <pink_vampire> libre office is better
[15:41:46] <pink_vampire> omg facebook
[15:41:56] <renesis> haha, no
[15:42:05] <renesis> m$ office actually works now
[15:42:17] <pink_vampire> what is the best plywood in homedepot / lowes?
[15:42:24] <renesis> libreoffice has always just been a clone
[15:43:04] <renesis> and the google crap is pretty neat for collaborative stuff
[15:44:16] <pink_vampire> is there an open program like the brother p-touch editor
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[15:45:11] <pink_vampire> it work soo grate with my printer, but the files not work if you upgrade the program version
[15:45:35] <XXCoder> renesis: microsoft office works on linux?
[15:46:30] <gloops> on wine or VB?
[15:46:58] <renesis> oh, no then youre prob stuck with libreoffice
[15:47:05] <renesis> google stuff should work
[15:47:46] <renesis> it doesnt do as much but if youre just doing basic word processing, slides, and spreadsheets, google stuff is fine
[15:48:25] <renesis> for multiple people editing same doc, google stuff is awesome
[15:48:58] <renesis> https://www.howtogeek.com
[15:49:15] <renesis> looks like it works with emulator stuff, shrug
[15:49:49] <XXCoder> wine is not emulator
[15:49:50] <gloops> libre opens word docs anyway
[15:50:01] <XXCoder> its literally in name :)
[15:50:02] <gloops> or saves as doc
[15:50:25] <renesis> my experiences with libreoffice have been all over the place
[15:50:40] <XXCoder> what happened to openoffice?
[15:51:40] <renesis> it died, became libreoffice
[15:51:49] <XXCoder> fun. ok
[15:52:04] <renesis> libreoffice is pretty much the same thing, so its pretty much clone of previous gen of ms office
[15:52:22] <XXCoder> latest ms office I have is 2010 lol
[15:52:30] <XXCoder> havent used it
[15:52:57] <XXCoder> *since i upgraded my system 6 years ago
[15:52:57] <renesis> i just did 4 years of university, so using this shit constantly
[15:53:29] <renesis> wanted libreoffice to work, but sometimes it misbehaves or gets stuck
[15:53:46] <renesis> meanwhile, office improved a lot
[15:54:32] <renesis> i'm not into paying for it but i got it free through school, its way better than 10-20 years ago
[15:54:54] <renesis> word equation editor is pretty sexy
[15:55:43] <renesis> its still a bitch to format something like a resume, but i can inkscape stuff like that for free so whatever
[15:56:09] <renesis> that said, lots of recruiters and resume bots want it word format
[15:56:22] <XXCoder> i paid for mine lol
[15:56:27] <renesis> itll populate applications automatically, anything else becomes a horrible mess
[15:56:34] <XXCoder> forgot how much but much cheaper than non-college would be
[15:56:51] <XXCoder> i wonder how compitable libreoffice word format is
[15:57:04] <gloops> haha shes on the net, my peace is restored
[15:57:45] <renesis> linux last 10 years pretty turnkey
[15:58:48] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:02:24] <gloops> thats not bad, i dunno 15-20 minutes, installed, hardly any user input required, up and running on the net, email job lot set up
[16:02:39] <gloops> free!
[16:03:04] <renesis> but can it printer?
[16:03:46] <gloops> sure it can, i didnt have to install any hardware, linux finds, gets drivers, runs most things, these days
[16:04:10] <XXCoder> gaming gpu stuff is bit annoying. i had decent card that couldnt work 100% due to sucky drivers
[16:04:28] <XXCoder> decided to buy slightly older but formerly veru high end video card. works awesome]
[16:04:40] <Rab> I use LibreOffice on Linux in a Windows/Office-centric office. I rarely have problems with document exchange except that the fonts tend to be inconsistent between platforms.
[16:04:54] <gloops> ive not run games, no problem with 3d cad stuff though
[16:05:21] <XXCoder> whats you use for cam?
[16:05:29] <XXCoder> that one is nearly all windows or sucky
[16:05:49] <Rab> But if you need your docs pixel-accurate, e.g. typesetting for print, Word's kind of a turkey anyway.
[16:06:00] <gloops> blender, aspire (runs on wine), sketchup works on linux
[16:06:10] <gloops> not had fusion work on it though
[16:06:43] <Rab> Sketchup post-Trimble buyout is Windows-only, I thought...haven't tried in Wine
[16:07:19] <gloops> you can download the old versions, i had it working fine
[16:07:41] <XXCoder> can download microsoft fonts so looks match
[16:08:06] <XXCoder> in fact there tend to be microsoft font licensed packages in repos
[16:08:08] <andypugh> skunkworks: has Fusion360 running on Linux (not sure if Wine or a VM)
[16:09:23] <gloops> lol, on the toshiba laptop touchpad scroll never worked on windows 10, shes just beamed and said - yes! ive got my scroll
[16:10:09] <XXCoder> geez lol
[16:10:34] <gloops> 2 finger scroll or edge scroll? both work - im not savvy with touch typing
[16:13:41] <roycroft> gloops: are you about?
[16:14:00] <gloops> roycroft i think i am yes
[16:14:06] <XXCoder> probably not
[16:14:18] <gloops> about what?
[16:14:31] <gloops> 5 11.5
[16:14:49] <gloops> 13.5 stones?
[16:14:57] <andypugh> I got a bit more serious with the Faro arm calibrator. https://photos.app.goo.gl
[16:15:01] <roycroft> i just want to tell you, especially after our conversation of yesterday, that while i disagree with you almost completely on virtually every aspect of brexit, i sincerely wish you and the british people all the best, and i hope that things don't go nearly as badly as i think they will
[16:15:28] <roycroft> i felt things were left on a rather sour note yesterday, and that was not my intent
[16:16:25] <gloops> roycroft ive never thought of you who would wish bad things on anyone (who didnt deserve it) and thanks, im sure we'll get by somehow lol
[16:16:54] <XXCoder> andypugh: whts it do?
[16:17:07] <XXCoder> looks like adjusting 4th axis or something
[16:17:14] <roycroft> i don't - i can disagree with someone without disliking the person
[16:17:25] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:17:40] <XXCoder> roy i know me and gloops argued a lot sometimes lol
[16:17:48] <roycroft> and that's all i have to say about that :)
[16:18:57] <XXCoder> erm is that light meter andy heh
[16:20:45] <Rab> Anybody have opinions on Atlas 10" lathe for a home shop? One's on craigslist in really nice shape, but it looks kinda lightweight.
[16:21:07] <roycroft> a lot of nice parts have been made on that lathe, rab
[16:21:27] <roycroft> make sure it's not worn out or abused before purchasing it though
[16:21:57] <andypugh> XXCoder: I have a Faro arm, but need to calibrate it to convert voltage (counts) to angle. I have a very accurate Megatorque servo with a super-high count encoder that I am basically using as a protractor.
[16:22:12] <XXCoder> nice!
[16:22:19] <roycroft> and don't pay very much for it
[16:22:39] <XXCoder> normally that'd be insane overkill budget wise for it but since you got it cheap...
[16:22:40] <Rab> roycroft, https://austin.craigslist.org
[16:22:53] <roycroft> especially if it doesn't have a quick change gearobx
[16:23:14] <Rab> I suppose that counts as very much, but it's rare to see a lathe in any kind of decent shape <$2K around here.
[16:23:15] <andypugh> That’s crazy money for an Atlas
[16:23:34] <andypugh> Though it does have the Norton box
[16:24:06] <roycroft> that one looks clean
[16:24:12] <roycroft> but it may be just cleaned up
[16:24:16] <roycroft> it's worth 1/2 that much
[16:25:06] <roycroft> i got my 12x36 for $700, after watching cl posts daily for a couple years
[16:25:20] <Rab> It's only $550 more than this one! https://sanantonio.craigslist.org
[16:25:21] <roycroft> cheaper lathes are available, but they get snatched up very quickly
[16:25:27] <andypugh> Have you tried eBay? Or Facebook ads?
[16:25:36] <roycroft> in those two years i was the second caller countless times
[16:25:42] <andypugh> Facebook seems to have more clueless vendors :-)
[16:26:10] <roycroft> i'd say that from the pictures that lathe looks potentially good
[16:26:14] <Loetmichel> BTW: i had a meeting today with a customer about a 2u Server enclosure. They were complaining that the new box has a lot more screws in it than the old one... $me:"ahem, the old one had even more screws in the bottom than the new one!" (I know, i designed and built that, too!)... them:" no way, it only had 3 on each side, none at the bottom, i am sure of it. There it is, look yourself!"...
[16:26:14] <Loetmichel> So i lifted it: Lo and behold, 24 empty screwholes. $me: "so much for 'RF shielded'." Customer: "Ups!" :-)
[16:26:19] <roycroft> but again, the asking price is 2x what it's worth
[16:26:51] <Rab> andypugh, I hear Facebook Marketplace is on fire, but I don't have an account.
[16:26:58] <Rab> roycroft, noted, thanks!
[16:27:00] <roycroft> if it came with a 4 jaw it would be more interesting
[16:27:42] * roycroft would rather eat rusty nails than go on facebook
[16:27:47] <Rab> Yeah, 4 jaw chuck and QCTP would be first additions.
[16:28:16] <roycroft> the 4 jaw chuck itself is no big deal
[16:28:23] <roycroft> but you would have to make a mount for it
[16:28:33] <roycroft> and that lathe may have some odd thread size on the spindle
[16:28:52] <roycroft> you're not going to just go buy a chuck that you can screw on to it
[16:29:00] <roycroft> so be prepared for that
[16:29:14] <roycroft> it's a good project to test your turning skills :)
[16:29:50] <roycroft> that's why it's nice if it comes with one - that bit of work is already done for you
[16:31:08] <roycroft> it's nice that it comes with a steady rest and follow rest
[16:31:15] <roycroft> you don't have to track those down
[16:31:42] <roycroft> the other nice thing is that the 10" atlas is a rather ubiquitous lathe, so if you need parts they should not be difficult to find
[16:32:22] <andypugh> I had to make my own steady rest for my lathe. Because of the problem alluded to above
[16:32:39] <roycroft> mine did not come with either
[16:32:47] <roycroft> and it's not a very common lathe
[16:32:58] <roycroft> but it's very similar to a lot of other 12x36 lathes
[16:33:12] <andypugh> Nice lathe here for a decent price. Needs a clean: https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[16:33:31] <roycroft> i was able to find an old grizzly model that was very similar, and bought the steady rest and follow rest from grizzly's spare parts department
[16:33:47] <roycroft> they fit fine - i had to modify the mounts, but otherwise they're just fine
[16:34:52] <roycroft> i don't have room in my shop for a medium size lathe like that
[16:34:57] <roycroft> i have to stick with a smallish one
[16:35:03] <roycroft> but 12x36 is a very useful size
[16:36:11] <roycroft> rab: make sure the atlas has the 127 tooth gear, if it needs it
[16:36:24] <roycroft> that gear is often missing on old lathes, and you can't cut metric threads without it
[16:37:21] <roycroft> and if you're going to say you will never need to cut a metric thread, minutes after those words come out of your mouth you'll have a need to do so :)
[16:39:04] <andypugh> That’s the excuse to convert to CNC, or at least electronic leadscrew
[16:40:18] <roycroft> and speaking of cutting threads
[16:40:39] <roycroft> i've been thinking more about this round thread that i might want to try
[16:41:09] <roycroft> and the more i think about it the more i think that cutting a standard v-groove thread first and then using the form tool to reshape it is the best approach
[16:42:02] <roycroft> i have a qctp, and as long as i set the height of the two tools exactly the same, i should be able to just pull the single point tool of, swap the round tool in, and keep cutting, right?
[16:44:52] <andypugh> Yes
[16:45:09] <gregcnc> round thread for what? If you don't have problems making the initial cuts with the round form, why bother changing tools?
[16:45:16] <andypugh> Do-able even if they are not in the same place
[16:45:19] <andypugh> just offset
[16:45:25] <roycroft> i need to make some torsion springs
[16:45:43] <roycroft> and when i use a cylinder as a mandrel and wrap the wire around it it does not lay very neatly
[16:45:57] <roycroft> i thought that if i cut a round thread in the mandrel it would hold the coils in place better
[16:46:18] <andypugh> Use the lathe and leadscrew as a guide
[16:46:18] <roycroft> so this is nothing that needs to be high precision at all
[16:46:38] <gregcnc> I don't think that will help at all
[16:46:45] <andypugh> (run the wire through a hole in the toolpost)
[16:47:22] <roycroft> my lathe does not turn slowly enough for me to even begin to feel comfortable doing that
[16:47:29] <roycroft> i only need five turns
[16:47:54] <Rab> roycroft, why do you need a rounded profile? Won't a conventional thread support the wire adequately with two points of contact?
[16:48:05] <roycroft> it might, rab
[16:48:07] <roycroft> i thought of that
[16:48:44] <roycroft> but by the time i thought of that i had already thought about cutting a round thread
[16:48:49] <roycroft> and now i want to see if i can do it
[16:49:16] <roycroft> i have this bad habit of sometimes trying things just to see if i can do them
[16:49:26] <gregcnc> what is the actual problem making the spring?
[16:49:38] <roycroft> the coils do not lay neatly next to each other
[16:49:50] <roycroft> when i try to wrap the wire around the mandrel they spread apart
[16:49:52] <Rab> Having contemplated the issue I recognize the imperative, just not the utility.
[16:49:53] <gregcnc> feed is wrong
[16:50:02] <roycroft> i'm doing it by hand
[16:50:11] <gregcnc> feed is still wrong
[16:50:30] <roycroft> i have a cylinder welded to a steel plate - the cylinder is vertical
[16:50:40] <roycroft> there's a clamp at the bottom to hold the end of the wire in place
[16:50:51] <roycroft> i walk around the jig making the coils
[16:51:03] <roycroft> this is 0.210" diameter wire, btw
[16:51:12] <roycroft> not huge, but still fairly stiff and not easy to bend
[16:51:47] <roycroft> i've seen folks do this by clamping guides to the mandrel and moving the guides up every turn
[16:51:54] <roycroft> but that seems like a lot of extra effort
[16:52:10] <roycroft> so i thought that maybe if the manrel had grooves in it they would help guide the wire
[16:52:14] <Loetmichel> ehm .. thats 5,4mm wire. you can bend that between fingers and thumb of a single hand
[16:52:28] <roycroft> music wire?
[16:52:42] <roycroft> your fingers must be a lot stronger than mine
[16:52:56] <roycroft> annealed copper wire, mayhap
[16:52:59] <gregcnc> it has to do with the position of the guide in relation to where teh bend is occuring
[16:53:04] <JT-Shop> do you pull down while winding assuming winding from bottom up
[16:53:08] <Loetmichel> steel wire
[16:53:15] <Loetmichel> ok, music wire is a bit harder ;)
[16:53:21] <roycroft> at lest horizontal, jt-shop
[16:53:23] <roycroft> certainly not up
[16:53:36] <roycroft> i can't pull down very much, as there's a table directly below
[16:53:49] <JT-Shop> try pulling down and make it rub on the previous coil
[16:53:56] <roycroft> i just need a wee bit of help keeping it even
[16:53:56] <Loetmichel> and yes, been there done that bent 6mm silver steel rod by single hand
[16:54:01] <Loetmichel> its not that hard
[16:54:17] <andypugh> This is how I make springs (1/4” wire) https://www.youtube.com
[16:54:22] <gregcnc> loetmichel is superhuman and none of us mortals can match him
[16:54:29] <roycroft> and i am old and feeble
[16:54:33] <roycroft> and i don't care
[16:54:47] <roycroft> i've turned to the work smart, not hard school of thought :)
[16:54:52] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Pah! my wire was 6.35mm!
[16:55:01] <roycroft> except while i think i'm smart, i'm not always that clever
[16:55:42] <roycroft> teh youtube denies me, andupugh :(
[16:56:00] <roycroft> hmm
[16:56:12] <andypugh> Odd, it works for me and seems a reasonable URL
[16:56:13] <roycroft> it must be a georestriction, which is odd
[16:56:19] <roycroft> i just vpn'ed into the uk and now i can watch it
[16:56:31] <andypugh> Try https://youtu.be
[16:57:16] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: nonsense. i just work with my hands
[16:57:24] <Loetmichel> and i AM old, too ;)
[16:57:42] <roycroft> i'm assuming loetmichel is closely related to hagrid
[16:58:03] <roycroft> at least from the same clan
[16:58:07] <Loetmichel> andypugh: spring steel?
[16:58:33] <Loetmichel> roycroft: missing about 2' in height and widht for that ;)
[16:58:46] <jthornton> andypugh: what was that spring for?
[16:59:00] <jthornton> and that is a pretty slow spindle
[16:59:02] <roycroft> doing it on the lathe would be great
[16:59:14] <roycroft> but as i said, my lathe does not go that slowly
[16:59:27] <roycroft> 60rpm is my minimum speed, and i would not feel comfortable doing it that fast
[16:59:28] <gregcnc> no back gear?
[16:59:33] <roycroft> that's with the back gear enaged
[16:59:40] <gregcnc> no VFD?
[16:59:43] <andypugh> That is 45rpm gear, lowered by VFD
[16:59:49] <andypugh> It can do 1rpm
[16:59:51] <roycroft> whenever i put a 3 phase motor and vfd on it i'll slow it down to 25rpm or so
[17:00:07] <roycroft> but right now all i have is a single phase motor
[17:00:10] <roycroft> and 60rpm
[17:00:16] <andypugh> Yes, spring steel. The saddle suspension springs for Ner-a-Car
[17:00:35] <Loetmichel> nice
[17:00:40] <andypugh> Right, work meeting ! (With Australia, hence the lateness)
[17:00:47] <roycroft> my lathe can cut threads at 4.5tpi, which is almost perfect for the wire i'm using
[17:00:57] <roycroft> it's just the speed thing that's a problem
[17:01:06] <Loetmichel> roycroft: you cant bend SPRING steel by hand (of that size). but mild steel should be doable
[17:01:24] <Loetmichel> thats what i meant above
[17:02:34] <gregcnc> http://www.deansphotographica.com
[17:03:01] <gregcnc> read the text below the 6th pic
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[17:05:12] <roycroft> making a handwheel for my lathe is on my list of projects to do when i get around to it
[17:05:30] <gregcnc> about the angle
[17:05:30] <roycroft> i could probably turn it by hand by using the chuck key
[17:05:37] <roycroft> yes, i read that part too
[17:05:48] <roycroft> and i can't pull it back like that with my current jig
[17:06:03] <roycroft> but i can make a new jig
[17:07:14] <roycroft> i've been told too that i should anneal the music wire, make the springs, and then heat treat them after
[17:07:21] <roycroft> i'd rather not mess around with that
[17:07:24] <roycroft> and i can bend the wire
[17:07:34] <roycroft> just not as neatly as i'd like, currently
[17:08:02] <gregcnc> I think some stress relief is normal procedure
[17:08:32] <roycroft> that i don't mind
[17:08:49] <roycroft> that does not require fairly precise heat control, and is low temperature
[17:09:14] <roycroft> but rehardening and tempering is a different matter
[17:09:43] <roycroft> and i don't even understand how to do that properly with spring steel
[17:09:53] <roycroft> although i'm sure it's farily straightforward to do
[17:11:11] * roycroft will give redesigning the jig to allow him to pull back better a think
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[19:00:09] <Tom_L> andypugh thanks for the config help yesterday
[19:00:50] <andypugh> Working now?
[19:01:06] <Tom_L> haven't cut anything but i did start that program and watch it a bit
[19:01:08] <Tom_L> seems ok
[19:02:04] <andypugh> roycroft: You absolutely should _not_ temper and heat-treat music wire.
[19:02:08] <Tom_L> gonna try cutting some steel once i work out the program. dunno if that little mill will like it or not
[19:02:46] <andypugh> The properties of music wire come from the cold-drawing process, you can never get them back with heat-treatment.
[19:03:31] <andypugh> (This is pretty much my specialist subject, I spent 2 years dong post-doctoral research on enhanced cold-drawn spring steels)
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[19:21:31] <jthornton> andypugh: that's good information to know about spring steel
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[19:22:32] <andypugh> Vehicle-suspension sized springs (especially leaf springs) are made soft then heat-treated.
[19:23:16] <andypugh> But anything sold as music wire is cold-drawn to harden it.
[19:23:53] <Tom_L> it does make good springs
[19:26:18] <Tom_L> jthornton, looks like buildbot is back
[19:27:41] <Tom_L> i got a short bar of 'mild' steel at the scrap. gonna see how it machines
[19:31:41] <jthornton> yea, seb got it going again
[19:32:01] <Tom_L> hope that request i triggered was what you wanted
[19:44:58] <jthornton> well it was broken so that didn't work but that was the syntax I was looking for
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[20:13:03] <roycroft> i am glad the channel is quiet, as i don't log irc and have a small scroll buffer
[20:13:22] <roycroft> i'd have missed andypugh's sage words had there been more activity here while i was afk :)
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[20:40:47] <Tom_L> jthornton, what rpm would you run a .250" cutter in steel?
[20:45:28] <Tom_L> 2000 is 130 sfm which seems a little high maybe but i tried it and seemed to do ok there
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[23:43:28] <Elmo40> yes, 2,000 is a little high
[23:43:36] <Elmo40> carbide or hss?
[23:43:57] <Elmo40> how many flute?
[23:44:01] <Elmo40> how deep a cut?
[23:44:20] <Elmo40> 'steel' ? what grade? temper? how rigid is the setup?
[23:44:26] <Elmo40> and on and on and on...
[23:44:32] <Elmo40> coolant or dry?
[23:47:33] <Tom_L> i know
[23:47:50] <Tom_L> more than likely carbide 4 flute
[23:47:58] <Tom_L> dunno the steel, mild
[23:48:01] <Elmo40> then it sounds about right.
[23:48:18] <Tom_L> the test i ran manually sounded ok
[23:48:20] <Elmo40> i'd go 2200 or more with carbide and mild steel.
[23:48:40] <Tom_L> depends what i can find
[23:49:16] <Tom_L> right now i'm modifying the program from aluminum to cut steel
[23:49:34] <Tom_L> and the bar is a little smaller so i'm adjusting things
[23:50:43] <Elmo40> try 1/3 everything to start off with.
[23:50:45] <Elmo40> then go up from there
[23:51:02] <Tom_L> taking smaller cuts
[23:51:20] <Elmo40> 1/4 is a small tool. doesn't handle much as it is
[23:51:26] <Tom_L> i wanted 12L14 but couldn't find any local
[23:52:05] <Tom_L> it's a small mill too