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[02:25:55] <pink_vampire> HI ALL
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[04:08:26] <pink_vampire> ?
[04:08:33] <pink_vampire> someone here?
[04:08:39] <fdarling> yes
[04:08:51] <pink_vampire> cool
[04:08:56] <fdarling> do you need help with something?
[04:09:12] <fdarling> (I can't guarantee I can help, but I can try and tell you if I definitely can't!)
[04:10:56] <pink_vampire> i just got a 3d printer!
[04:11:30] <fdarling> pink_vampire: I personally own around 7 3D printers, plus my relative owns a couple of the more expensive ones, and we have a couple at my workplace
[04:11:40] <fdarling> pink_vampire: so if you need help with that I am definitely your guy ;-)
[04:13:14] <pink_vampire> i got a used 3d printer
[04:13:17] <fdarling> pink_vampire: most of them run Marlin on Arduino Mega 2560 (or similar) microcontrollers, but some of them use ARM chips, like Duet and Smoothieboard
[04:13:28] <fdarling> pink_vampire: all of my 3D printers are used, it's cheaper that way and I can fix them up
[04:13:54] * sensille just built one
[04:13:58] <fdarling> pink_vampire: my current workhorse printer is an Ultimaker 3, but that being said you can get even a low end Prusa i3 clone to print amazingly if you get a decent hot end and are willing to print slowly and upgrade some parts on it
[04:14:08] <pink_vampire> i think it is clone of the reprap prusa i3
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[04:14:33] <Deejay> moin
[04:14:52] <pink_vampire> the guy that sold me the printer upgrade the hotend
[04:14:56] <fdarling> my relative bought (on my behalf) a used Stratasys uPrint Plus, it is a low end of the "commercial" 3D printers. I am hoping to hack on it is why I bought it, I am not a fan of the prices they charge for their official filament...
[04:15:15] <fdarling> pink_vampire: an official E3D v6 is only like $65, so it doesn't have to break the bank
[04:15:41] <fdarling> pink_vampire: the "print cores" for the Ultimaker 3 are more like $250 which is crazy, but they do have a good system for quick changing the hot-end
[04:16:07] <fdarling> I have access to a machine shop, so I often machine my own parts
[04:18:31] <pink_vampire> my machine shop is 2' from the printer
[04:18:42] <pink_vampire> i leveled the bed
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[04:19:18] <pink_vampire> and i'm trying now to print something from the sd card
[04:20:00] <fdarling> pink_vampire: my advice to you is, backup the firmware and upgrade to the latest version of Marlin
[04:20:07] <fdarling> pink_vampire: (I assume it's a printer that runs Marlin)
[04:20:26] <fdarling> pink_vampire: a lot of printers ship with ancient firmware
[04:21:00] <pink_vampire> do you know what causes delamination ?
[04:21:13] <fdarling> pink_vampire: if you have access to an AVR programmer you can jack into the printer's board and backup the current firmware on it. You'll want to backup both the flash and the EEPROM to be able to 100% restore it to how you got it
[04:21:25] <fdarling> pink_vampire: delamination? as in your print comes off the bed?
[04:21:43] <fdarling> pink_vampire: it depends on what material you are working with and what your bed is made out of, but there are a few main factors:
[04:21:54] <fdarling> 1) getting the layer to stick in the first place with two sub-categories:
[04:23:11] <fdarling> 1a) Having something the material can stick to, be it painter's tape, hairspray, Kapton, PEI, or any number of marketed build plate surfaces such as "Buildtak", PrintBite, etc.
[04:23:12] <pink_vampire> i mean the bond between each layer is not very good
[04:23:22] <Wolf__> step one, what bed surface, heated?, what filament type
[04:23:30] <fdarling> 1b) making sure that said material doesn't have oil on it, usually from people's hands ;-)
[04:23:41] <pink_vampire> yes, glass heated bed
[04:23:51] <pink_vampire> it is pla
[04:24:09] <fdarling> pink_vampire: if the bond between layers isn't good, it can be because of printing at too low of a temperature (it's hot enough to melt, but not hot enough to melt the previous layer as well thereby "welding" the layers together
[04:24:33] <fdarling> pink_vampire: but in some cases I've actually seen filament soooooo bad that it's intra-layer adhesion is hopeless
[04:24:40] <Wolf__> ok, nozzle size, layer height, and did you calibrate the hotend feed to proper step/mm
[04:24:42] <fdarling> pink_vampire: so sometimes you simply need to try another color or brand of filament
[04:25:05] <fdarling> pink_vampire: my go-to filament is eSun PLA+ on Amazon, about $23/kg. You can get filament as cheap as $11/kg but your mileage may vary
[04:25:23] <Wolf__> atomic filaments here
[04:25:31] <fdarling> pink_vampire: Wolf__ is right, you do need to do a lot of calibrating before worrying about the results
[04:26:06] <fdarling> pink_vampire: you need to make sure it's extruding the correct amount of mm through the hot end, you do this by taking the nozzle completely off and having it feed filament through and simply measuring how much is fed
[04:26:11] <pink_vampire> "matter hackers 1.75mm"
[04:26:28] <pink_vampire> the nozzle is 0.4mm
[04:26:35] <Wolf__> http://zennmaster.com
[04:26:42] <fdarling> pink_vampire: for example, you feed some out of the hotend, sharpie mark it as high up as you can reach into the hotend with the pen, then feed 100mm and mark it the same way again, feed more out, cut it off, and measure the distance between the marks
[04:27:02] <fdarling> pink_vampire: it must be very close to the theoretical 100mm, if not you must adjust your steps per mm for the extruder to compensate
[04:27:09] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[04:27:32] <Wolf__> thats one of the best step by step guides I know of for dialing in a printer
[04:28:18] <fdarling> pink_vampire: you also need to make sure X/Y steps per mm are accurate, but that's usually much more straightforward, being only dependant on timing belt teeth count and belt pitch and stepper motor degrees per step * microstepping multiplier
[04:28:48] <Wolf__> pls should be point and shoot once everything is setup, layer delam might then be hot end temp too low/high
[04:29:10] <fdarling> I usually print a calibration cube with 1 perimeter, no ceiling, and 0% infill (hollow) to see the wall thickness. I calibrate that then work on other stuff
[04:29:14] <pink_vampire> how the print look? https://i.imgur.com
[04:29:18] <Wolf__> I hate myself so I use ABS all the time lol
[04:29:37] <fdarling> some things are interdependent, like if you have the X/Y factors off it will "compress" the extrusion to be fatter or skinner than it should be
[04:29:49] <fdarling> you can tell though if the X/Y is off because it will be a scalar
[04:29:59] <Wolf__> and clear pla is the worst for sharing pics of prints lol
[04:30:16] <pink_vampire> it is silver
[04:30:20] <fdarling> like 20mm cube will be off by 0.2mm (1%) and a 40mm cube will be off by 0.4mm (1% still). If it's the extrusion width that is the issue, it will be a constant offset
[04:30:34] <fdarling> 20mm cube could be 0.2mm off (1%) and 40mm cube would be 0.2mm off (0.5%)
[04:30:47] <fdarling> is any of this making sense?
[04:30:52] <pink_vampire> yes
[04:31:41] <pink_vampire> i level the bed with my dial test indicator not with a paper
[04:32:11] <Wolf__> silver pla https://i.imgur.com
[04:32:24] <Wolf__> and my bed is warped lol
[04:32:37] <Wolf__> has been for 4 yrs
[04:33:08] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[04:33:11] <pink_vampire> the weller thing is also 3d printed?
[04:33:28] <pink_vampire> look amazing!
[04:33:44] <Wolf__> no weller is my WMD1 soldering station
[04:34:51] <pink_vampire> WMD1!!
[04:35:09] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com 3d print in PETG
[04:35:57] <pink_vampire> the black part look amazing the dial O_O
[04:36:40] <Wolf__> came out ugly, 3 tries and that was the best, trying to paint it was a mess
[04:37:42] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: you have a cnc milling machine
[04:37:48] <Wolf__> someday I’ll bother to re-calibrate the printer, its off
[04:38:02] <pink_vampire> stop using plastic on machines!
[04:38:25] <Wolf__> I use the hell out of the 3d printer for non-critical parts
[04:38:52] <fdarling> 3D printers do well for making handles, little brackets and holders, etc
[04:39:08] <Wolf__> stuff with weird hollow parts
[04:39:59] <Wolf__> gears https://i.imgur.com lol
[04:40:33] <fdarling> don't tell me that is driving your lathe...
[04:40:39] <Wolf__> they are lol
[04:42:15] <pink_vampire> what happen to you Wolf__ O_o
[04:42:49] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[04:42:52] <Wolf__> my 3d printer makes better parts then my x1 cnc
[04:43:06] <pink_vampire> how this thing work?
[04:43:25] <Wolf__> idk, I save as STL in SW
[04:44:12] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com WTF
[04:44:26] <Wolf__> I also made a test cube in SW with x/y/z matching the work space so I know which side is up/down on the bed coming out of cad lol
[04:45:03] <fdarling> in SolidWorks you must have your plane by the "Front" if you want X/Y to be the sketch and Z the extruded portion
[04:45:13] <fdarling> that always throws me off... I would think that would be the "Top" view
[04:45:16] <Wolf__> yup
[04:45:53] <pink_vampire> what slicer is recommended?
[04:45:59] <Wolf__> I got tired of flipping parts lol
[04:46:06] <Wolf__> idk I use slicer
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[04:47:00] <Wolf__> slic3r? not even sure, I haven’t messed with any of the core stuff on my printer in 2 yrs
[04:48:39] <fdarling> I used slic3r for a long time, then used Simplify 3D (which is all the rage, it's definitely good), but now-days I use Cura which does a pretty good job too
[04:48:58] <fdarling> on rare occasions I've had slic3r out-do Simplify 3D, but usually Simplify 3D's support material is the best
[04:49:06] <fdarling> Cura is pretty good usually though, and it's user interface is nice
[04:49:38] <fdarling> I would love to write my own slicer, but I'd need some help from some Israelis... I'd want to use CGAL as the core algorithm library
[04:50:55] <pink_vampire> why from Israelis?
[04:51:28] <fdarling> because it's mainly developed by these guys in Tel Aviv
[04:52:03] <fdarling> the learning curve for using it is really high, mostly because it's C++ template based and if you have one typo the whole thing pukes at you
[04:52:48] <pink_vampire> what software is developed by them?
[04:53:56] <fdarling> https://doc.cgal.org
[04:54:26] <fdarling> CGAL can process 2D and 3D goemetry and do things like offsetting the contours for doing cutting passes in routing/milling
[04:54:32] <fdarling> or for doing perimeters in 3D printing...
[04:54:51] <fdarling> the algorithms that they use are much more bulletproof than what the standard slicer uses
[04:55:25] <pink_vampire> no idea
[04:55:33] <fdarling> their library is optimized for flexibility and speed, not necessarily for pretty error messages when you create a syntax error
[04:56:47] <pink_vampire> I'm not a programmer
[04:57:07] <pink_vampire> i love metal chips
[04:57:35] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[04:57:45] <pink_vampire> what is the problem here?
[04:57:54] * sensille was expecting large metal chips
[04:59:03] <pink_vampire> sensille: with the HF spindle there is no such a thing large chips, it become dust
[04:59:27] <fdarling> pink_vampire: it looks to me like you were printing way too hot
[04:59:48] <fdarling> pink_vampire: towards the bottom left it also looks like the chair leg might have shifted over, which is odd considering the rest of it seems fine
[04:59:53] <fdarling> (in that way)
[05:00:05] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[05:00:18] <fdarling> pink_vampire: you might also be overextruding a lot, which would explain the spaghetti plastic everywhere
[05:01:04] <pink_vampire> this is how i print stuff at the past
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[06:23:22] <jthornton> morning
[06:23:33] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:32:40] <Tom_L> morning
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[07:17:08] <jthornton> going to be a real nice day here sunny and 66°F
[07:19:55] <XXCoder> 53f and rain. typical spring
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[08:11:45] <Loetmichel> oh maaan. Customer sends 2 dell/wyse thin clients to us for repair. so we did... but he set an admin password we dont know and arent able to get from him. so no testing/no sending back the units without test... WHEN do the customer learn to reset them beforehand to default? now we have to go to dell and go thru the lenghly process of getting them to reset the units with challenge7response
[08:11:45] <Loetmichel> codes and stuff. pretty irritating and expensive for the customer, it wasnt a warranty case... :-(
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[08:47:35] <Elmo40> pink_vampire, too fast. the extrusion isn't catching up to your movements.
[08:48:20] <Elmo40> pink_vampire, is it TPU?
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[11:54:31] <pink_vampire> Elmo40: the pink prints are few years old
[12:18:30] <Wolf__> darkness
[12:18:44] <Wolf__> grr wrong window lol
[12:31:44] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Honestly, not your fault or problem. You could hack it, but then they might complain about that too
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[13:04:20] <jymmm> Has anyone worked on a way to dispense granules (like powder laundry soap) by weight ???
[13:04:42] <Loetmichel> jymmm: not hacking. just a lengthly process with dell (challenge-response codes, but you have to get the right person that has the code generator on the phone)
[13:06:48] <Loetmichel> and boss WILL bill the customer for the 2-3 hours it takes to unlock the device. we have to (EMI-)measure it in working condition before sending it back, so we have no choice but to reset it. what i dont understand is: this customer has sent a bunch of those clients to us for repairs before. and we always say it has to be "factory reset" before we can repair it because of said process with
[13:06:48] <Loetmichel> dell.
[13:07:12] <Loetmichel> and EVERY time they send it password-locked.
[13:07:19] <Loetmichel> and EVERY time they get billed.
[13:07:24] <Loetmichel> and we are NOT cheap
[13:07:26] <Loetmichel> WHY???
[13:09:25] <jymmm> Loetmichel: They don't care and/or just don't have a clue. You've done your due diligence
[13:10:17] <Loetmichel> still annoying to get thru that process with dell. the right guy with the code generator is quite difficult to get to.
[13:10:45] <jymmm> Get his phone/email and keep that handy?
[13:12:27] <Loetmichel> i know his phone and email
[13:12:42] <Loetmichel> i even know two service guys who have the code gen
[13:12:56] <Loetmichel> but they are doing other things as well and not always reachable
[13:13:06] <Loetmichel> usually it takes an hour or to to get to them
[13:13:39] <jymmm> Loetmichel: and you can't just zap the bios/cmos?
[13:15:00] <Loetmichel> nope. its in a special code chip
[13:15:07] <Loetmichel> you cant even flash a new bios
[13:15:07] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[13:15:23] <Loetmichel> "security"
[13:15:38] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: that looks fairly "transparent"
[13:15:41] <jymmm> Loetmichel: TPU bs???
[13:15:56] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: i love it
[13:16:13] <Loetmichel> jymmm: more like those crypto-chipcards
[13:16:25] <Loetmichel> but integrated into the motherboard
[13:16:43] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Yeah, that sounds like TPU alright =)
[13:16:48] <Loetmichel> nope
[13:16:55] <Loetmichel> its not even an Intel processor
[13:17:02] <Loetmichel> "teradici something"
[13:17:11] <Loetmichel> thin/zero client
[13:17:39] <Loetmichel> ah, sorry
[13:17:48] <jymmm> ah, rebranded ones
[13:17:53] <Loetmichel> mistook TPU for Trusted Platform Module
[13:18:12] <Loetmichel> no, the processor is from teradici
[13:18:24] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Well, yeah, the non intel equiv of TPU
[13:18:27] <Loetmichel> IIRC an ARM with some stream decoding hardware
[13:18:58] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Oh, it's probably just dvd encoding, want the master key? lmao
[13:19:21] <Loetmichel> i dont think so
[13:19:42] <Loetmichel> you know what remote desktop/VMware Horizon is?
[13:19:46] <Loetmichel> thats what its for
[13:19:53] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Sadly, sometimes they don't even bother to change what they get off-the-shelf.
[13:19:55] <Loetmichel> it has no harddrive or something
[13:20:16] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Yeah, I understood when you said thin client
[13:20:37] <Loetmichel> its just a small cpu and some ram and a display driver and a network interfeace that can connect remotely to a PC
[13:20:43] <Loetmichel> ok
[13:21:42] <Loetmichel> as far as i understand it the teradici processor is made especially to support thin client protocols
[13:21:54] <Loetmichel> and can decode the "usual" streams in hardware
[13:22:10] <Loetmichel> so the arm that is in there is pretty low power.
[13:22:24] <Loetmichel> both in computing power and in electrical power used
[13:22:31] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Yeah, probably a ASCI or FPGA dedicated for the task
[13:22:34] <Loetmichel> the whole thing runs off a 12V 3A PSU ;)
[13:23:10] <jymmm> Loetmichel: When it runs from 300ma, let me know =)
[13:23:14] <pink_vampire> jymmm: https://i.imgur.com
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[13:23:35] <Loetmichel> (ok, we mount 12V 5A PSUs because we power the 24" displays that we built in there from that PSU, too
[13:23:37] <Loetmichel> )
[13:23:45] <jymmm> pink_vampire: you NORMAL length freak ;)
[13:23:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[13:24:34] <Loetmichel> thats such a client (the silver box is the "VMware esxi test server", not the cpu :-)
[13:25:22] <jymmm> pink_vampire: do you do your own nails? Looks liek it needs to be filled
[13:25:49] <jymmm> Loetmichel: Yeah, remote boot
[13:26:17] <Loetmichel> https://www.amazon.de <- and thats inside there, togehter with an 24" HP display
[13:26:23] <Loetmichel> no, not remote boot
[13:26:29] <jymmm> pink_vampire: did you buy that as a kit? I notice the the motor drivers are "plugabble" ???
[13:26:45] <Loetmichel> the server actually has half a dozen virtual machines with win7 on them
[13:26:52] <Loetmichel> to test the clients before delivery
[13:27:09] <pink_vampire> used
[13:28:10] * Loetmichel wonders if pink_vampires canines are painted the same kind of flourescent pink ;)
[13:28:12] <jymmm> pink_vampire: Cool =)
[13:28:44] <jymmm> pink_vampire: how much?
[13:29:33] <pink_vampire> $100 and i got with it 2 extra hot end and extra extruder and ton of filament
[13:29:54] <jymmm> pink_vampire: include pink???
[13:30:22] <pink_vampire> mmm
[13:30:25] <pink_vampire> let me see
[13:30:41] <jymmm> pink_vampire: oh, did you JUST get it???
[13:31:09] <pink_vampire> yesterday
[13:31:17] <jymmm> pink_vampire: VERY cool =)
[13:31:29] <pink_vampire> there is abit of pink pla
[13:31:48] <jymmm> pink_vampire: Just the way you already have a spot for it and setup, thought you had it for a wwhile =)
[13:31:56] <jymmm> pink_vampire: and grey =)
[13:32:58] <pink_vampire> and i have about 6 roles here
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[13:48:26] <jymmm> pink_vampire: o you gonna start doing mail order 3d printing now?
[13:52:45] <ziper> i have a product i plan on selling
[13:54:52] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
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[13:55:45] <jymmm> pink_vampire: lol
[13:57:38] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[13:58:43] <jymmm> pink_vampire: googly eyes, where's the tail?
[13:59:04] <pink_vampire> no tail
[13:59:23] <jymmm> pink_vampire: ... yet
[14:00:54] <pink_vampire> it is clear that she is a jellyfish
[14:02:22] <jymmm> pink_vampire: Well, if she stings you, just be sure to pee on yourself (after you remove power)
[14:03:56] <pink_vampire> O_OOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
[14:05:15] <jymmm> pink_vampire: https://www.scientificamerican.com
[14:06:02] <pink_vampire> X_x
[14:11:37] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com OMG
[14:24:02] <jymmm> pink_vampire: See, you just needed to get pencils
[14:25:02] <pink_vampire> maybe it will work also for my g0704
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[14:51:05] <roycroft> so if you have schwetty balls peeing might work, but if you drink a lot of beer it won't?
[14:51:47] <roycroft> https://www.youtube.com
[14:51:55] <roycroft> for those of you unfamiliar with schwetty balls
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[15:19:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Star Wars 3d display in a liquid
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[16:30:18] <flyback> CaptHindsight, probably the same way those phone 3d boxes work
[16:31:00] <flyback> yep
[16:31:03] <flyback> 4 sides too
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[17:06:16] <gregcnc> is this height gage worth buying? https://www.ebay.com syyl sync ?
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[17:06:44] <XXCoder> interesting
[17:06:51] <XXCoder> very different than usual 2 rod type i use at work
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[17:07:41] <gregcnc> Mahr should be good. Just not sure where this older model was made or if that matters
[17:08:14] <XXCoder> whats your usual tol ranges anyway
[17:08:34] <gregcnc> I have a vernier that size now
[17:09:47] <gregcnc> tolerance, oh this will do for now
[17:10:18] <XXCoder> do yo have say common to have .003" tol or .01" or .03"
[17:10:39] <XXCoder> at my job its nearly always .01" and sometimes lower
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[17:10:49] <XXCoder> .03" tol jobs is quite rare lol
[17:11:48] <djdelorie> 0.03" is precision woodworking if you're building a house...
[17:11:57] <XXCoder> precisely'
[17:12:03] <XXCoder> thats why im asking about tols.
[17:12:52] <gregcnc> that tool is .0015"
[17:13:56] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: it is cost 2 times more then my printer
[17:14:43] <gregcnc> it's also a real tool
[17:15:21] <gregcnc> I think original cost was at least 3 times this listing
[17:15:37] <gregcnc> mitutoyo have similar specs
[17:15:44] <XXCoder> it looks like cheaper verson but its very tall
[17:16:06] <XXCoder> well .0005" is pretty good
[17:16:33] <XXCoder> Accuracy: .0015"/ .002 that'd be useless at shop i work at lol
[17:16:34] <gregcnc> 12" is tall for a height gage?
[17:16:53] <XXCoder> yeah i did misread thought it was taller my mistake
[17:17:46] <gregcnc> that's the thing you can buy a chinaco version for 65USD.
[17:18:05] <XXCoder> yea thats why im asking what is your usual tolence ranges
[17:18:21] <XXCoder> because those wont work if you have .001" tol parts sometimes
[17:18:38] <methods_> no 12" is kinda not tall for height gage
[17:18:42] <XXCoder> i worked with -.0002 + .0005 parts before its pretty insane
[17:18:48] <XXCoder> methods_: didnt you read above?
[17:19:26] <methods_> 12" is nice and easy to move around a surface plate though
[17:19:26] <gregcnc> unless you step into 5000USD gages, you won't get better than that
[17:19:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:20:21] <XXCoder> its tough to move over 2 ft tall one to another surface lol expecially since cant grip double rod system!
[17:20:23] <methods_> that thing looks like it has a pretty large base on it which might give you issues on a smaller surface plate
[17:20:25] <gregcnc> it's just a caliper on a base
[17:20:44] <XXCoder> some moron moved it by using double rods once, it had to be sent out to be repaired.
[17:21:17] <methods_> looks like a good deal on a nice height gage though
[17:21:19] <gregcnc> yeah the base is 7.5" long
[17:21:26] <methods_> yeah
[17:21:37] <methods_> that base is the only thing that might give me issue
[17:21:50] <methods_> but if you're on a large surface plate it's not going to be a big deal
[17:21:54] <XXCoder> https://www.ebay.com
[17:22:01] <methods_> probably be a good thing
[17:22:09] <XXCoder> dial type is pretty cheap.
[17:22:12] <gregcnc> i have 18x24
[17:22:28] <methods_> ah yeah that might kinda suck
[17:22:56] <gregcnc> zeroing the digital for relative measurements is what I'm after
[17:24:34] <methods_> i got one of these from shars for the house
[17:24:37] <methods_> https://www.shars.com
[17:25:08] <methods_> at work we have tesa micro-hites
[17:25:19] <methods_> can't afford that for playin at the house
[17:27:38] <Tom_L> i was happy with the vise i got from them
[17:29:28] <XXCoder> gregcnc: https://www.ebay.com pretty cheap
[17:29:58] <XXCoder> problem is you would have to pray they never grabbed the rods.
[17:30:11] <gregcnc> same price as the Mahr?
[17:30:21] <XXCoder> $200
[17:30:34] <XXCoder> techinically not same lol
[17:30:49] <XXCoder> shipping $20 also actually. not surpised as its 2 ft long
[17:32:57] <JT-Shop> yea the replacement scope for the gammo came in
[17:33:31] <methods_> for $40 more you get 24" with that shars one
[17:33:34] <methods_> no where near as nice as mahr
[17:33:44] <methods_> but 24"
[17:34:28] <XXCoder> lol found mitutoyo 24" for 125 bucks but its like verner caliper
[17:35:06] <XXCoder> that shars one may be suffecent for home shop yeah
[17:35:29] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i have a 150mm mitutoyo vernier caliper here
[17:35:39] <XXCoder> probably need to move around more, and double rod one is really annoyong to move to and away from rock.
[17:36:01] <Loetmichel> 100 times better and easier to use than the $12 digital ones at teh company
[17:36:08] <XXCoder> have to use one hand on base, and lightly hold top of gauge to keep it upwards
[17:36:27] <Loetmichel> but i would NEVER use that to score some sheet metal like i do with the cheap digital ones all the time
[17:36:45] <XXCoder> one guy just grabbed double rods and base moved it. it failed certification and got rebuilt
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[17:37:05] <methods_> two rods at one time!
[17:37:13] <methods_> that's a lot of rods
[17:37:17] <methods_> he must really like to hold rods
[17:37:21] <XXCoder> lol
[17:37:39] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: dont have replacable blade eh
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[17:54:33] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:02:31] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: yes ;)
[18:04:02] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[19:02:16] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: still waiting for my cheap shit mic to arrive :( its annoyionmg lol
[19:03:05] <XXCoder> i still wonder whats chances of accuracy and precision lok
[19:03:13] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com
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[19:21:30] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: 0,01mm micrometer micro = 0.001
[19:22:00] <XXCoder> yea, its 3 bucks so quit questionable on quality tho :)
[19:22:16] <Tom_L> probably just a C clamp
[19:25:00] <XXCoder> yeah tom it would be great joke at work - oops dropped!
[19:25:27] <methods_> yeah never let a welder use your mic's or that's what they'll be
[19:25:41] <Tom_L> XXCoder then pick it up and clamp it in a vise to check a part
[19:26:02] <XXCoder> yech! someone did it to your mic?
[19:26:28] <methods_> not mine but one of the guys in my shop
[19:26:39] <methods_> couldn't find his mic and the welders had it using it as a clamp
[19:26:51] <XXCoder> thats worse.
[19:27:04] <XXCoder> did welders buy a replacement?
[19:27:06] <Tom_L> especially with weld spatter all over it
[19:27:10] <methods_> yeah
[19:27:14] <methods_> they were dead
[19:27:20] <Tom_L> replacement clamp or.... ?
[19:27:22] <methods_> weldurrs
[19:28:38] <XXCoder> i would be pissed if someone used my starret mic that way. it was made in 1952
[19:28:53] <methods_> that would be rightful anger
[19:29:25] <Tom_L> almost excuseable manslaughter
[19:29:38] <methods_> measured vengeance
[19:30:13] <methods_> you could use the mic's to measure how close he came to death when the beatings stopped
[19:30:29] <XXCoder> lol
[19:31:03] <Tom_L> so how fast should i spin this 4 flute carbide endmill in steel?
[19:31:23] <Tom_L> got a fair idea but i generally don't run steel
[19:31:27] <methods_> cs*3.86/4
[19:31:47] <methods_> good carbide i run at 1000sfm
[19:31:55] <Tom_L> in steel?
[19:31:59] <methods_> in plain carbon yeah
[19:32:06] <Tom_L> heh my spindle motor would burn up :D
[19:32:09] <methods_> yeah
[19:32:28] <methods_> you'll have to find a happy medium
[19:32:32] <Tom_L> i know
[19:32:39] <methods_> max rpm?
[19:32:43] <Tom_L> i ran some manual tests last night
[19:32:46] <methods_> and diameter?
[19:32:52] <Tom_L> i'll probably run around 2k rpm
[19:33:08] <Tom_L> .250 D em
[19:33:33] <methods_> yeah you'd have to spin that puppy at 10-12k for correct feeds and speedds
[19:34:03] <methods_> at 2k you'll just have to adj the feed
[19:34:15] <Tom_L> gonna start around .0003" chip load
[19:34:17] <methods_> 2k .002/tooth
[19:34:21] <Tom_L> see what happens
[19:34:28] <Tom_L> i don't think the mill would do that
[19:34:34] <methods_> maybe .001/tooth
[19:34:47] <methods_> ohhh
[19:34:54] <methods_> yeah try that
[19:35:04] <methods_> you'll just have to play it by ear
[19:35:12] <Tom_L> i'm more worried about the thread mill
[19:35:20] <Tom_L> .595 diameter
[19:35:24] <Tom_L> 6 flute
[19:35:27] <methods_> oh
[19:35:29] <methods_> wow
[19:35:39] <methods_> just take light cuts i guess
[19:35:47] <methods_> and spring passes
[19:35:53] <Tom_L> i'm doing 3 passes in aluminum
[19:36:01] <Tom_L> may not need to but i am
[19:36:05] <methods_> yeah
[19:36:16] <methods_> probably not a bad idea
[19:36:32] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:36:35] <Tom_L> the big one
[19:36:53] <methods_> nice little set
[19:37:04] <Tom_L> should cover anything i need
[19:37:06] <methods_> id thread i'm assuming?
[19:37:19] <Tom_L> i can do both with it but yes
[19:37:47] <Tom_L> wrote the macro for it for my cad cam
[19:37:50] <Tom_L> works nice
[19:38:02] <methods_> alot cheaper than buyin a tap
[19:38:22] <Tom_L> i figure i got a tap n die set for inch and metric there
[19:38:49] <methods_> definitely
[19:39:02] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:39:06] <Tom_L> there's the part in aluminum
[19:39:28] <methods_> oh yeah threads look beautiful
[19:39:31] <methods_> nice and clean
[19:39:37] <Tom_L> cross thread too
[19:39:41] <Tom_L> but hard to see
[19:39:56] <methods_> yeah i see it
[19:40:01] <methods_> i thought you tapped that
[19:40:10] <Tom_L> heh, no
[19:40:12] <methods_> you thread milled that
[19:40:15] <methods_> wow
[19:40:31] <XXCoder> lovely.
[19:40:39] <Tom_L> using a sherline spindle :)
[19:40:40] <XXCoder> any external threads example like bolt?
[19:40:46] <methods_> nice
[19:40:55] <methods_> the threads look a little flat on the cross tapped one
[19:41:00] <methods_> but still
[19:41:08] <methods_> for that size looks good for milled
[19:41:30] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[19:42:02] <methods_> smooth as buttah
[19:42:17] <methods_> show off
[19:42:23] <Tom_L> hha
[19:42:25] <Tom_L> hah
[19:42:25] <methods_> :p
[19:42:44] <Tom_L> i cut another pocket in the jaws for the steel part
[19:42:50] <Tom_L> the alum was slightly over 1"
[19:43:07] <methods_> machined jaws FTW
[19:43:20] <Tom_L> i've got a small pile of em
[19:44:06] <Tom_L> i lay that part down even with the right end of the jaw and run the cross holes
[19:44:11] <Tom_L> one program
[19:44:33] <methods_> knob for something?
[19:44:49] <Tom_L> sherline mill holder
[19:44:54] <Tom_L> fits the sherline thread
[19:44:58] <methods_> ahhhh
[19:45:28] <Tom_L> i'm gonna make some for common drills so i can 'tool change' them instead of using the drill chuck
[19:45:42] <methods_> good idea
[19:46:04] <Tom_L> the chuck sticks down too far to be very useful
[19:46:58] <methods_> yeah and your height offsets are always going to be suspect changing bits
[19:47:09] <Tom_L> the cross thread took every bit of reach on that tiny cutter
[19:47:37] <methods_> you gain some z and have repeatable holders
[19:47:43] <Tom_L> yup
[19:48:14] <Tom_L> the trick is don't drill them quite all the way thru so they can butt against the holder
[19:48:37] <Tom_L> in case the set screw quit setting :)
[19:49:21] <Tom_L> i should have collet holders and collets but this is a ghetto op here
[19:49:42] <methods_> i have the tormach style ones for mine
[19:49:59] <methods_> they seem to be a decent compromise
[19:53:14] <Tom_L> it's mostly for messin with linuxcnc and playing anyway
[19:58:47] <Tom_L> methods_, the cross thread is a little shallow, needs about .004" more
[19:59:01] <Tom_L> was a first run for it
[20:08:44] <pink_vampire> https://www.thingiverse.com very very soft jaws
[20:09:14] <XXCoder> theres even 123 block model there lol
[20:10:28] <pink_vampire> i need to print set of gage blocks
[20:10:45] <Tom_L> for what?
[20:11:07] <XXCoder> tom no idea it wouldnt be 1"x2"x3" to close tol thats for sure
[20:12:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you just need to touch them on the 3d printed surface grinder
[20:13:25] <XXCoder> lol
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[20:31:08] <XXCoder> black 3.0 is shipping soon! i cant wait. :D
[20:35:19] <pink_vampire> why?
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[21:42:07] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: dunno its fun?
[21:42:29] <XXCoder> it asorbs 99% of light so its very black
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[22:15:54] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: how much did you payed for it?
[22:16:15] <XXCoder> oh its kickstarter sometimes prices is higher at kickstarter than afterwards
[22:16:27] <XXCoder> 2 bottles for 52 bucks, shipped all way from europe
[22:16:39] <XXCoder> 2 liters? not too sure on size lol
[22:17:01] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com
[22:17:10] <XXCoder> ah 150 mL
[22:17:59] <pink_vampire> those are very nice nails!
[22:20:34] <XXCoder> whos nails?
[22:20:51] <pink_vampire> in the link you posted
[22:21:04] <XXCoder> yeah tgheres a few depending if include video or not :)
[22:21:16] <XXCoder> including kapoor's middle finger in pinkest pink
[22:21:54] <pink_vampire> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net
[22:22:05] <XXCoder> btw if you like pink maybe buy pinkest pink at their site lol its so pink cameras cannot capture how pink it is.
[22:22:15] <XXCoder> ahh that
[22:24:36] <pink_vampire> https://www.culturehustleusa.com
[22:25:35] <XXCoder> yeah, that. you just add water to certain thickness and paint. arylic based
[22:26:09] <XXCoder> first, make sure that you are not anish kapoor, nor giving it to him, or somehow get it to him lol
[22:26:18] <XXCoder> dumb really but funny
[22:28:38] <pink_vampire> i need about a bucket to paint the walls here
[22:28:54] <XXCoder> lol yeah sadly its so expensive
[22:29:09] <XXCoder> great for small projects
[22:29:38] <pink_vampire> :(
[22:29:54] <XXCoder> they sell bunch of very odd stuff besides black 2.0 (soon 3.0) pinkest pink, gloittery glitter etc
[22:30:08] <XXCoder> so recommand look around lol and hold tight to your wallet
[22:30:13] <XXCoder> or purse
[22:39:31] <pink_vampire> very cool stuff
[22:39:40] <XXCoder> yeah
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[23:24:48] <R2E4> hi all
[23:25:10] <R2E4> How would I install the simulator?
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[23:28:23] <R2E4> linuxmint 19
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