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[01:19:10] <flyback> http://cowlark.com
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[01:32:32] <XXCoder> flyback: great for retro computing people
[01:33:25] <fdarling> I was looking for something like that! I actually own a KryoFlux, but it isn't as useful because while you can read the floppy disks, you can't write them. They are also aren't completely open in that they want you to pay if you're using it commercially and such
[01:34:25] <fdarling> there was a rare model of USB floppy drive that used a full sized standard 3.5" floppy drive, so if the drive died you could replace it. This is advantageous over the more common USB "laptop floppy drives" that are built to very low standard of quality
[01:35:03] <XXCoder> there is few sdcard "floppy drives" out there also
[01:35:10] <XXCoder> but specific to system
[01:36:10] <fdarling> are you talking about floppy drive emulators?
[01:38:54] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:39:11] <XXCoder> can "insert" and "remove" disks which is pretty cool. saw one with 99 drive support
[01:39:15] <XXCoder> *99 disks
[01:43:53] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com
[01:44:27] <XXCoder> that project is great for reading old disks though so quite useful
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[01:47:45] <fdarling> XXCoder: that floppy drive emulator doesn't necessarily work in all situations, they don't necessarily emulate copy protection and they don't necessarily emulate older formats of floppy disks (720kB instead of 1.44MB)
[01:48:23] <XXCoder> not surprised, impossible to be perfect unless its original everything.
[01:49:24] <fdarling> it's possible unless there is read/write going on for the copy protection, I mean look at how well CD emulators work -- Alcohol 120% literally fools all the software out there
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[01:50:14] <gloops> manflu strikes, im dying
[01:51:50] <XXCoder> aww
[01:52:15] <XXCoder> maybe take some estrogen it might help you get less man so manflu goes away faster
[01:52:48] <gloops> its the side effects im dubious about
[01:53:33] <gloops> had this 2 days i thought (hoped) i was gonna get up this morning feeling better, but no
[01:55:02] <gloops> i wanted to try some compound box joints today, difficult to focus on stuff with a head like this
[02:00:35] <XXCoder> lol
[02:00:47] <XXCoder> yeah it sucks trying to work when sick :(
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[04:44:39] <Deejay> moin
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[06:05:20] <jthornton> morning
[06:06:16] <XXCoder> yo
[06:20:44] <jthornton> https://youtu.be
[06:21:34] <XXCoder> nice to see it on actual machine
[06:21:39] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[06:21:46] <jthornton> thanks
[06:22:08] <jthornton> that's hazzy-m machine
[06:22:17] <XXCoder> i want to play around with qtpyvcp
[06:22:23] <XXCoder> but still bad will problem
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[07:52:23] <Tom_L> morning
[07:58:05] <jthornton> morning
[07:58:15] <Tom_L> nice screen setup
[08:04:49] <jthornton> thanks, it's Andy's fault lol
[08:19:28] <gloops> ive got stupid manflu, im still gonna have a go at some compound box joints over the weekend, and knock up some bee hive frames
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[08:41:55] <jthornton> the tapered one?
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[09:02:17] <gloops> jthornton - yeah gonna make some of those wbc hives, i need to make a slight angled jig for the compound joints
[09:02:43] <gloops> they are worth making going by some of the prices online
[09:03:45] <jthornton> sounds cool, when you get it setup take a photo
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[09:07:19] <gloops> i will do yeah
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[09:23:14] <jymmm> jthornton: Have you ever worked on a way to package-by-weight granules, like powdered laundry soap?
[09:44:32] <jthornton> no, but I've designed and built a dozen or so weight pack lines for nails
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[09:54:02] <abrock> hi
[09:58:33] <abrock> I have a Sino SDS6V-3achsis DRO connected to my mill and I'd like to connect it to linuxcnc, does someone have experience / knows a tutorial?
[10:03:26] <jymmm> jthornton: That might work or at least get me started. So how to you portion out nails till you get the desired weight?
[10:08:57] <jthornton> vibratory transfer trays and plc and load cell\
[10:11:56] <jymmm> jthornton: So the plc "slows down" the vibration transfer when getting close to the desired weight?
[10:18:21] <jthornton> not usually if you have a bulk and fine feed you turn off the bulk when you get close and just use the fine to get to desired weight
[10:21:36] <jymmm> jthornton: Ok. I'm going to guess you were filling boxes or buckets. I'm trying to figure out how to fill bags that are cut/sealed to length from a bulk roll, and I'm drawing a blank.
[10:24:22] <jthornton> google it
[10:30:40] <gloops> abrock linear encoders?
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[10:36:39] <abrock> gloops: yes
[10:38:19] <gloops> definitely people in here who can assist, just dropping on them when theyre active
[10:38:30] <gloops> andypugh is one
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[12:00:09] <abrock> I found that my linear encoder display unit has a RS232 output, can I use a RS232 PCI card to connect that?
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[12:06:42] <fragalot> 'sup
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[13:44:27] <PL7icnc> Evening all from DE
[13:44:51] <PL7icnc> gloops, Mr are you here
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[14:51:37] <gloops> looks like you might get the brexit delay you were hoping for fragalot
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[15:00:54] <pink_vampire> hi
[15:01:44] * jymmm pats pink_vampire on the head =)
[15:03:52] <pink_vampire> O_o
[15:04:07] <pink_vampire> lol
[15:05:39] <jymmm> pink_vampire: hello btw =)
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[15:17:29] <fragalot> gloops: ^_^
[15:22:10] <jymmm> Loetmichel: You dont have a brown truck do you??? LMAO (dumbass) https://youtu.be
[15:24:29] <Loetmichel> jymmm: nope, 2 station wagons: a BMW 525i and an Opel Omega 2,5 DTI
[15:24:38] <Loetmichel> at the moment
[15:25:02] <Loetmichel> probably never have a pickup truck because they are insanely expensive here in germany.
[15:25:35] <jymmm> ah
[15:25:35] <Loetmichel> also i am not dumb enough to park on the beach.
[15:26:05] <jymmm> https://www.youtube.com
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[15:29:04] <Loetmichel> alos: my diesel isnt running coal.. that would be problematic with german police. pretty harsh emissions regulations here ;)
[15:29:11] <Loetmichel> also
[15:59:40] <XXCoder> jymmm: looks like guy got tagged by certain very strange effect with mud. if right quake hits it liquidifies for short time
[15:59:44] <XXCoder> boom sank
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[16:29:07] <jymmm> XXCoder: NAh, I don't think that diabotical.
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[17:57:40] <Deejay> gn8
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[19:43:51] <Elmo40> that Brexit thing going to happen one of these years? so many delays.
[19:53:36] <XXCoder> LOL just got the super cheap mic. its misaligned and pins was never finished, no heat harden, no grinding
[19:54:01] <XXCoder> in other words, its a c vise heh
[19:54:40] <fdarling> does anyone know if it's possible to make the "E-Stop" and "Power On" buttons start a sequence that ends with the power being turned on? rather than instantly toggling it?
[19:54:52] <fdarling> I want to do a reset procedure to clear alarms and such when going out of E-stop
[19:57:25] <XXCoder> hey, hopefully someone will know
[20:00:57] <fdarling> I can't imagine that I'm the only one that would need something like that
[20:05:26] <XXCoder> not too likely
[20:06:16] <jymmm> sounds like the job of a safety relay
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[20:13:59] <jdh> nah, plc
[20:14:45] <fdarling> I don't see how a PLC would help, the idea is that when the user presses a button to get out of E-stop, it shouldn't immediately take effect
[20:15:08] <fdarling> it would at least need a time delay before actually completing, ideally it would be triggered by the completion of some sequence of events wired up in HAL
[20:19:57] <jdh> button starts a timer, does whatever, resets estop after timer
[20:20:26] <fdarling> so effectively I'd be creating an "estop_release_req" signal or something
[20:20:49] <fdarling> I was hoping that the user interface was already triggering such a "request" signal rather than directly toggling e-stop
[20:20:53] <jdh> machine shouldn't restart on e-stop release until start button is pressed. anyway
[20:21:23] <fdarling> jdh: sure, granted, but still... the start button should initiate startup, but not mark it as completed, that should happen later
[20:21:57] <fdarling> more like a tool change, you know?
[20:22:35] <jdh> sounds perfect for classicladder
[20:23:21] <fdarling> the issue isn't wiring the logic, the issue is what are you triggering off of
[20:23:39] <fdarling> I could make my own hacked in button, but like I said I wanted to know if LinuxCNC already had a facility for this
[20:23:59] <fdarling> just like M6 T3 initiates a tool request which may or may not actuate an ATC, make a GUI popup, do nothing, etc...
[20:24:20] <fdarling> is there am "e-stop release" signal that is normally shorted to "e-stop released"? Or do I indeed have to come up with one myself?
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[20:33:41] <andypugh> iocontrol.0.user-enable-in
[20:34:09] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org
[20:34:34] <andypugh> Sorry, misremembered, emc-enable-in
[20:35:34] <andypugh> I think you need to watch iocontrol.0.user-request-enable, then do your stuff, and asser-emc-enable-in
[20:38:48] <andypugh> Yes, I just tested it, and that works.
[20:39:52] <andypugh> So trigger your sequence of events from iocontrol.0.user-request-enable and then set iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in when everything is ready to go.
[20:42:27] <XXCoder> hey andypugh remember my link for 3 buck mic? its utter crap lol
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[20:42:58] <fdarling> andypugh: thank you! I'm going to try and wire that up in HAL when I'm back at the shop
[20:43:35] <andypugh> Yes, I gathered that from reading above
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[20:43:51] <fdarling> andypugh: there is "emergency stop" button and there is also the "power button", I take it the signal you are describing has to do with the "power button", right?
[20:43:55] <XXCoder> i dont think i can fix it lol
[20:44:11] <andypugh> fdarling: No, the e-stop release button
[20:44:28] <fdarling> andypugh: okay, so what does the power button do besides enable the analog servos outputs?
[20:44:53] <andypugh> I think that’s about it.
[20:45:17] <andypugh> I was just over in the VM looking to see which HAL pins change with that button
[20:45:58] <fdarling> andypugh: motion.enable and motion.motion-enabled maybe?
[20:46:19] <fdarling> andypugh: I am wondering if there is a "motion enable request" signal that can also be hooked
[20:46:50] <andypugh> halui.machine.is-on
[20:47:30] <andypugh> and also motion.motion-enabled
[20:48:29] <fdarling> andypugh: halui.machine.off and halui.machine.on... are those user interface commands? or acknowledgments of completion? (I assume their are commands)
[20:48:53] <fdarling> *they are, jeez I must be tired
[20:49:00] <andypugh> It is probably worth looking through the docs of motion, halui and iocontrol to see what pins look likely, then watch them in a sim or your real machine with halmeter.
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[20:49:25] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org
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[20:49:41] <andypugh> (They are commands to the system, you set them to achive the result)
[20:49:57] <fdarling> documentation that says "halui.machine.off: bit in; pin for setting machine Off" isn't really describing the pin any further ;-)
[20:50:17] <andypugh> what more is there to say?
[20:50:31] <andypugh> It’s a bit type pin for turning the machine off :-)
[20:50:48] <fdarling> so it's only effect is to make halui.machine.is-on change?
[20:51:06] <andypugh> Well, it turns the machine onff too
[20:51:32] <XXCoder> onff is that new quantium state, both on and off?
[20:51:49] <fdarling> only because other components are listening to halui.machine.is-on though, right? there isn't any other internal logic in halui besides piping it right back out?
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[20:52:08] <andypugh> No, machine-is-on is a tell-tale
[20:52:29] <andypugh> That tells you the status regardless of what cause the machine to turn on or off.
[20:53:05] <andypugh> Halui is basically a user-interface, like Axis is, but one that does everything using HAL pins rather than a GUI
[20:53:21] <fdarling> andypugh: so halui doesn't have any inputs for the "machine on" state, only for requesting that it be turned on/off?
[20:53:27] <andypugh> (you can run LinuxCNC with halui as the only UI, but it’s tedious)
[20:53:39] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[20:53:41] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[20:53:47] <Tom_L> seems to run steel ok
[20:53:52] <andypugh> Yes, setting that pin is equivalent to pressing the GUI button in axis
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[20:54:10] <Tom_L> andypugh that tool change thing happens every time on 2.8
[20:54:38] <fdarling> andypugh: wait a minute, is halui used by the Axis GUI? or is it a lighter weight alternative?
[20:54:43] <Tom_L> was a surprise the first time...
[20:54:43] <andypugh> Tom_L: Serves you right for trying to use run-from-line ;-)
[20:54:57] <Tom_L> trying to get all the tools set and still get a good part
[20:55:13] <andypugh> fdarling: It’s an alternative UI, that can run in parallel with the other UIs
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[20:55:37] <XXCoder> bit ripples inside but quite good
[20:56:06] <Tom_L> yeah a little
[20:56:39] <andypugh> (on a lower level both Axis (or other GUI) and halui and the Python interface and linxcncrsh send NML messages to the underlying system saying things like “turn on” or “make a straight traverse move”
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[20:57:41] <andypugh> fdarling: You might not have heard of linuxcncrsh, but it lets you send commands via a network connection: http://linuxcnc.org
[20:57:49] <Tom_L> XXCoder a far better cry than the old sherline
[20:59:01] <Tom_L> andypugh why would run from line be different from 2.7 to 2.8?
[20:59:17] <andypugh> I blame the developers
[20:59:23] <Tom_L> fair nuf
[20:59:25] <Tom_L> :)
[20:59:29] <XXCoder> tom did you read about mic i ordered and i just got it? lol
[20:59:30] <andypugh> (Maybe someont tried to make it work better?)
[20:59:37] <Tom_L> XXCoder, no
[20:59:45] <XXCoder> its amazing bad lol
[20:59:53] <Tom_L> cheap one?
[20:59:54] <fdarling> Tom_L: time to do a regression test...
[20:59:59] <XXCoder> tips is not hardened and not even ground
[21:00:52] <Tom_L> fdarling did you read what it was doing?
[21:00:55] <XXCoder> it has surpising heft. too bad I dont own any grinder
[21:01:07] <XXCoder> or i'd try ground tips
[21:01:34] <Tom_L> XXCoder i'd like to get a nice depth mic, the only one i have is quite old but it works
[21:01:38] <andypugh> Tom_L: Raise a bug tracker?
[21:01:46] <Tom_L> never done that
[21:02:06] <XXCoder> i dont own one but use shop one once a while
[21:02:20] <andypugh> Tom_L: You can do it here: https://github.com
[21:03:34] <fdarling> Tom_L: no I didn't read what was happening, though I do remember recently someone was having issues with 2.8 vs 2.7 on the syntax of a file or something
[21:03:46] <fdarling> Tom_L: it was complaining about a file in 2.8 that worked in 2.7
[21:04:19] <Tom_L> fdarling, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:04:35] <Tom_L> i got the file issue fixed
[21:05:29] <Tom_L> config was pointing to the wrong version of toplevel.py
[21:05:42] <Tom_L> they are different from 2.7 to 2.8
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[21:06:50] <fdarling> Tom_L: that doesn't sound like very good behavior, running through multiple tools to get to the one you really need to start machining again...
[21:07:20] <Tom_L> no motion occurs but it does cycle thru them up to the one i selected
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[21:11:42] <andypugh> So, I am about to sell a dividing head that is converted to motor operation on that eBay. Should I include the stepper driver with the head?
[21:12:53] <Tom_L> if you don't need it for something else :)
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[21:13:07] <andypugh> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[21:13:23] <andypugh> Well, i don’t really use steppers.
[21:13:49] <andypugh> In fact I bought that stepper motor specifically so I could take the little servo motor off.
[21:14:07] <Tom_L> i'd probably pull the stepper / driver and sell the head
[21:14:14] <andypugh> Though in testing just now I have found that the stepper works better than the servo ever did…
[21:14:51] <andypugh> I no longer have the handle and dividing plates, so it is very much no use without the motor.
[21:15:05] <Tom_L> on the other hand, if it's a complete working unit why separate it?
[21:15:49] <andypugh> Indeed. In fact I am considering adding an Arduino, LCD screen, some buttons…
[21:16:12] <Tom_L> add an arduino and you'll increase your audience
[21:17:04] <andypugh> But I doubt I would get the payback on the time expended.
[21:17:24] <Tom_L> meh, if i counted that on everything i did ....
[21:17:53] <andypugh> Well, yes, but this was meant to go on eBay tomorrow
[21:18:07] <Tom_L> not everybody would be able to figure it out and make it work
[21:18:22] <Tom_L> you'd better get busy then :)
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[21:20:43] <andypugh> I guess that anyone buying a Division Master to go with it would not need the driver: https://divisionmaster.co.uk
[21:22:38] <andypugh> Crikey! https://medw.co.uk
[21:23:02] <andypugh> An Arduino could undercut that by a margin!
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[21:24:51] <andypugh> You might like to speculate how my installation can be some much shorter than this one: https://medw.co.uk
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