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[00:00:25] <_unreal_> that looks just like mine
[00:01:07] <pink_vampire> it is cute!!!!!
[00:01:34] <_unreal_> yes... yes it it
[00:01:40] <_unreal_> yes yes it is
[00:01:56] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: imgur work much better
[00:02:11] <_unreal_> when you say ship i assume your interested ine the shell?
[00:02:40] <_unreal_> https://photos.google.com
[00:02:51] * hazzy-m lost all his DNS records the other day, just realized I forgot to fix the ones for email, oops
[00:03:20] <pink_vampire> i love the logo
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[00:09:08] * hazzy-m uploaded an image: image.png (28KB) < https://matrix.org >
[00:10:42] <pink_vampire> what is TLO?
[00:11:09] <XXCoder> tool length something? dunno
[00:11:24] <XXCoder> ah tool length offset
[00:11:34] <pink_vampire> cool
[00:11:40] <pink_vampire> i don't need it
[00:11:56] <XXCoder> me either, its nesscary for tool changer setups
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[00:12:14] <_unreal_> tool length offset I believe
[00:12:22] <XXCoder> slightly late
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[00:12:39] <_unreal_> :p
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[00:13:29] <pink_vampire> the tool setter zero the z axis right on the coordinate system
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[00:22:42] <pink_vampire> TLO gone! cute!
[00:28:19] * hazzy-m gives up on fixing email for the night
[00:28:32] <hazzy-m> its kinda nice not having it ...
[00:28:34] <hazzy-m> gn8
[00:28:41] <pink_vampire> lol
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[00:36:57] <_unreal_> hum
[00:37:13] <_unreal_> I guess he feels like he's keeping the phone off of the hook :)
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[00:42:24] <pink_vampire> https://i.pinimg.com added to the list of the stuff i need
[00:42:43] <XXCoder> need? more like want list heh
[00:43:01] <pink_vampire> yeah
[00:43:25] <pink_vampire> it is life support equipment
[00:43:33] <_unreal_> I would say a list like that is a NEED list not a want list
[00:44:21] <_unreal_> everyone neds a large set of lips on there car
[00:44:46] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: you're incorrigible <rolls eyes>
[00:44:55] <XXCoder> lol
[00:46:18] <_unreal_> well heading to bed
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[01:13:54] <pink_vampire> is there a way to do math in pyvcp?
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[02:43:59] <fdarling> pink_vampire: what do you mean by "do math"? Like have a formula to calculate a displayed number?
[02:44:10] <pink_vampire> correct
[02:44:13] <pink_vampire> yeah
[02:44:26] <fdarling> pink_vampire: that example I gave you of the velocity in units per minute was scaling by 60
[02:44:57] <fdarling> pink_vampire: I believe you have to "wire it up" in HAL, there isn't a way to have it evaluate a math expression directly
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[02:46:31] <pink_vampire> i just want to divide in 360
[02:46:35] <pink_vampire> fdarling: ^
[02:47:04] <fdarling> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org
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[02:47:51] <fdarling> pink_vampire: that's what I used to multiply by 60.0, instead you can multiply by 1.0/360.0 = 0.00277777, it might have rounding errors of course
[02:48:40] <pink_vampire> now i have that to convert mm/s to mm/min setp scale_vel.gain 60
[02:49:11] <fdarling> the "loadrt scale names=scale_vel"
[02:49:16] <fdarling> you'd add more names
[02:49:37] <fdarling> loadrt scale names=scale_vel,div_angle
[02:49:58] <fdarling> setp div_angle.gain 0.00277777
[02:50:13] <fdarling> and use the net command to wire up the inputs and outputs to your appropriate things
[02:51:02] <pink_vampire> I added scale_rpmc
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[03:02:52] <pink_vampire> i'm getting an error
[03:03:28] <pink_vampire> custom_postgui.hal:96: Pin 'axis.5.joint-vel-cmd' was already linked to signal 'disp-velocity-per-second-z'
[03:03:53] <pink_vampire> fdarling: ^
[03:04:25] <fdarling> show me all lines dealing with 'disp-velocity-per-second-z'
[03:06:23] <pink_vampire> https://paste.debian.net
[03:07:25] <pink_vampire> fdarling: i just tried to use the same c axis hal pin to display deg/min and also rpm
[03:09:14] <fdarling> pink_vampire: the second time you omit the axis.5.join-vel-cmd
[03:09:26] <fdarling> pink_vampire: with the net command you are saying what is attached to a "signal" name
[03:09:39] <pink_vampire> correct
[03:09:42] <fdarling> pink_vampire: read up on the net command
[03:09:56] <fdarling> http://linuxcnc.org
[03:12:03] <pink_vampire> so i need to i need to split the "signal source" with "signal"??
[03:12:50] <fdarling> pink_vampire: just do net SIGNALNAME => OUTPUT_PIN
[03:13:03] <fdarling> pink_vampire: if you already hooked up the netto INPUT_PIN, don't do it again
[03:13:38] <pink_vampire> so how i can split it??
[03:14:03] <fdarling> net disp-velocity-per-second-z axis.5.joint-vel-cmd => scale_velz.in
[03:14:15] <fdarling> net disp-velocity-per-second-z => scale_velc.in
[03:14:18] <fdarling> that simple
[03:14:57] <fdarling> maybe this makes it more clear:
[03:15:11] <fdarling> net disp-velocity-per-second-z <= axis.5.joint-vel-cmd
[03:15:18] <fdarling> net disp-velocity-per-second-z => scale_velz.in
[03:15:27] <fdarling> net disp-velocity-per-second-z => scale_velc.in
[03:15:34] <fdarling> make sense?
[03:16:38] <pink_vampire> so disp-velocity-per-second-z is the main "pipe" and the axis.5.joint-vel-cmd is just the raw input?
[03:17:27] <fdarling> net command makes a "signal" that can have a value if it doesn't exist, otherwise it hooks things to it that can output onto or read from it
[03:17:45] <fdarling> (I honestly don't know how it deals with bidirectional pins and multiple people writing to the same signal)
[03:17:52] <fdarling> but conceptually it's like a "wire"
[03:18:04] <fdarling> except it can have direction (at least for reading purposes)
[03:19:00] <fdarling> if you read that "net" web page I showed you, it says that the net command actually ignores the arrows
[03:19:31] <pink_vampire> it is say it is not exist
[03:19:39] <fdarling> hmm?
[03:20:03] <pink_vampire> i'm trying again
[03:22:43] <pink_vampire> i found the problem
[03:22:56] <pink_vampire> i did
[03:23:01] <pink_vampire> net disp-velocity-per-second-c disp-velocity-per-second-z => scale_velc.in
[03:23:08] <pink_vampire> so i remove
[03:23:20] <pink_vampire> net disp-velocity-per-second-z axis.5.joint-vel-cmd => scale_velz.in
[03:23:22] <pink_vampire> and
[03:23:28] <pink_vampire> net disp-velocity-per-second-c disp-velocity-per-second-z => scale_velc.in
[03:23:56] <pink_vampire> and replaced them with your lines, and now it is work!!
[03:25:29] <pink_vampire> fdarling: thanks!!
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[03:36:18] <fdarling> does anyone have any USB WiFi dongle recommendations that have proper antennas?
[03:44:01] <pink_vampire> here is all wired
[03:44:44] <XXCoder> fdarling: lots cheap ones at aliexpress
[03:45:05] <fdarling> XXCoder: I would like a specific chipset or link to an Amazon product
[03:45:41] <XXCoder> yeah can look up models on google see which has specific chipset you want. ones that has model #s anyway
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[04:07:18] <Loetmichel> *SPIT* *BAAAHHH* JB-weld(epoxy putty) swarf from filing it in the coffee... thats happens when you drink your morning coffee at the workdesk :-(
[04:09:13] <pink_vampire> with all the stuff that happen to you i think it's a miracle that you are still alive
[04:10:37] <Loetmichel> its not like its deadly
[04:10:46] <Loetmichel> it just tastes and smells horribble
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[04:13:53] <Deejay> moin
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[04:29:55] <XXCoder> lol https://www.youtube.com
[04:30:46] <pink_vampire> lollllllllllllllll
[04:33:18] <pink_vampire> we need more humor like that
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[04:48:37] <XXCoder> I read about laura ingraham... she said transgender is trying to make new species... uh does she not know how babies is made?
[04:48:51] <XXCoder> and new species? insane amount of work lol
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[05:26:24] <jthornton> morning
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[05:26:38] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
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[05:27:55] <jthornton> what's up today
[05:28:28] <XXCoder> not a lot
[05:32:40] <jthornton> I have to be down at the industrial park at 7:30 to start a new machine up
[05:35:42] <pink_vampire> what machine?
[05:36:16] <XXCoder> yeah curius what machine heh
[05:38:38] <pink_vampire> i'm trying something
[05:40:58] <jthornton> it cuts the runners off some parts and indexes the boxes
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[05:49:18] <XXCoder> wow amazing how far genetic engineering went. https://courses.cs.washington.edu
[05:53:10] <pink_vampire> this is soo cool
[05:53:57] <pink_vampire> I'm using one mouse with 2 usb dongles, on 2 computer!
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[06:26:53] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:30:00] <Tom_L> pink_vampire you should get twice as much done now
[06:32:14] <jthornton> morning
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[06:32:35] <Tom_L> took a look at your GUI last night
[06:32:40] <Tom_L> pretty cool
[06:32:52] <jthornton> thanks
[06:33:20] <pink_vampire> hehe
[06:33:21] <Tom_L> your mdi may need an 'F' button
[06:34:27] <jthornton> it has a F button
[06:34:43] <Tom_L> i must have missed it
[06:34:52] <jthornton> G M T F on the left
[06:34:57] <Tom_L> ok
[06:35:47] <Tom_L> after messing around with installs all day you could have showed me just about anything and i'd believe it
[06:36:38] <XXCoder> including genetic pic i showed? heh
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[06:54:11] <_abc_> Hello. Suggest best vm option to run the default wheezy-live-2.7 iso for testing?
[06:54:34] <_abc_> qemu / vbox / etc? Which one is least painful? In sim mode of course.
[06:55:16] <methods_> what host system?
[06:55:26] <methods_> for windows i'd say vmware
[06:55:37] <methods_> for *nix probably virtualbox
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[06:57:22] <_abc_> linux host. Am using qemu-system-i386 now, it is okay but boot is slow.
[06:57:48] <_abc_> It can also do vmware, but is that not heavyer than qemu native? I mean qemu can do vmware.
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[07:11:21] <methods_> if you're on linux i'd use virtualbox
[07:11:53] <methods_> but if you're more familiar with qemu i don't see why that wouldn't work
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[10:17:35] <pink_vampire> is there a way to send a value from a gcode to pyvcp?
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[10:18:57] <pink_vampire> i know about m68 but it is limited to 4 variables
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[10:40:13] <fdarling> pink_vampire: what type of value?
[10:40:41] <pink_vampire> user defined variable #4454
[10:40:58] <fdarling> _abc_: VirtualBox hands down, VMWare performs a bit better but it's pay-for software
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[11:45:03] <jthornton> pink_vampire: you can have up to 64 dio
[11:45:31] <pink_vampire> jthornton: how?
[11:45:52] <pink_vampire> it is E00-E03
[11:46:09] <pink_vampire> are you sure it is 64?
[11:46:45] <pcw_home> 64 in master
[11:47:04] <pcw_home> might be 16 in older versions
[11:47:05] <pink_vampire> what is master?
[11:47:24] <pcw_home> latest development version of LinuxCNC
[11:48:18] <pcw_home> in your hal file when you do "loadrt motmod" you can specify the number of aio and dio
[11:48:19] <pink_vampire> i'm with 2.7.8
[11:49:10] <pink_vampire> let me see
[11:50:08] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[11:50:13] <jthornton> pink_vampire: ^^
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[11:51:21] <pink_vampire> i don't even see it in my my-mill.hal file
[11:53:36] <jthornton> should be near the top of the file
[11:54:28] <jthornton> probably look like this loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT base_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]BASE_PERIOD servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD num_joints=[KINS]JOINTS
[11:54:46] <pink_vampire> yes, that one i have
[11:55:07] <pink_vampire> but i dont have loadrt motmod
[11:56:43] <pcw_home> well you do but its a bit indirect
[11:57:24] <roycroft> welding folks: what kind of electrode would you recommend for gtaw welding mild steel?
[11:57:31] <roycroft> and i assume dc negative is the way to go with that
[11:58:06] <roycroft> i have some 2.0% thoriated and 1.5% lanthenated electrodes
[11:58:09] <pink_vampire> pcw_home: i'm not sure what do you mean,
[11:58:41] <roycroft> but i'll need to get different ones anyway, as all the electrodes i have are small, and i'll be welding on some thick-ish (3/8") steel
[11:59:04] <pink_vampire> do i need to replace the line in the file with the line from the linuxcnc doc?
[11:59:46] <jthornton> no
[12:00:54] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:01:22] <jthornton> just add num_dio=how many you want to the end of the line
[12:01:58] <pink_vampire> is there a limit?
[12:03:16] <jthornton> 64
[12:05:56] <pink_vampire> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:06:09] <pink_vampire> the error and the line i did
[12:06:10] <pcw_home> What I mean is "loadrt motmod" is executed but its done via text macros from the ini file
[12:07:13] <jthornton> that's an analog pin, so it aio not dio... I thought you wanted digital pins sorry
[12:07:27] <jthornton> max 16 for aio
[12:08:11] <pink_vampire> i don't care digital or analog, it is just to sent a variable from the gcode to pyvcp
[12:08:29] <pink_vampire> is there a way to send digital pin from gcode?
[12:08:32] <pcw_home> digital is just a bit...
[12:08:53] <pink_vampire> i see
[12:09:02] <pcw_home> only "variable" from 0 to 1
[12:09:59] <pink_vampire> WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[12:10:24] <pink_vampire> i changed the dio to aio and from 64 to 16
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[12:10:26] <jthornton> Awesome!!!
[12:10:53] <pink_vampire> what mcode send digital pin?
[12:11:48] <pink_vampire> M62 - M65 Digital Output Control ?
[12:16:51] <Lcvette> P#
[12:19:55] <Lcvette> pink_vampire: do you need analog inputs or outputs?
[12:20:13] <pink_vampire> for now - analog
[12:20:37] <pink_vampire> but i'm always have new ideas
[12:21:00] <Lcvette> what are you doing with them?
[12:21:47] <pink_vampire> send data to pyvcp from the gcode
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[12:22:14] <fragalot> 'sup
[12:22:26] <Lcvette> with analog?
[12:22:47] <pink_vampire> correct
[12:23:30] <Lcvette> then looks like M68
[12:23:33] <pink_vampire> m68 E00 Q#1234
[12:23:40] <pink_vampire> 1234 is the variable
[12:23:43] <fragalot> anyone tried the new arduino port of linuxCNC that they released today?
[12:24:09] <pink_vampire> 00 is the analog number
[12:24:30] <pink_vampire> fragalot: look at the date
[12:24:45] <fragalot> pink_vampire: thanks for ruining it for everyone. :-)
[12:24:58] <Lcvette> so so then it would be M68 E0 Q#
[12:25:46] <Lcvette> or M68 E0 Q3
[12:26:00] <Lcvette> etc
[12:26:22] <Lcvette> don't use the leading zeros
[12:27:13] <pink_vampire> fragalot: i thought you didn't got the joke or something
[12:27:46] <pink_vampire> Lcvette: i think you need the 0
[12:27:47] <fragalot> pink_vampire: I just tried to think of the worst thing to say in this channel :P
[12:28:07] <Lcvette> no
[12:28:18] <pink_vampire> mmm ok
[12:28:24] <Lcvette> you do in the motion.analog
[12:28:25] <fdarling> pcw_home: hey, I am still running into that bug with LinuxCNC involving index homing, but in the process of debugging it I discovered a more serious issue (and resolved it)
[12:28:28] <Lcvette> but not in the gcode
[12:29:05] <fdarling> pcw_home: I had differential instead of single ended mode set in the jumpers for the Z-axis (I had forgotten to change it). I figured it out when the Z axis was "ratcheting" downwards to the table during jog tests after homing
[12:29:09] <pink_vampire> the manual say 00 01 02..
[12:29:10] <Lcvette> i use the M62-M65 alot in the ATYC remap
[12:29:24] <pink_vampire> what is atyc?
[12:29:49] <Lcvette> M68 E- Q-
[12:29:52] <Lcvette> from the manual
[12:30:23] <Lcvette> just like you don't use G01
[12:30:27] <Lcvette> you use G1
[12:30:54] <pink_vampire> motion.analog-in-00 - (float, in) These pins (00, 01, 02, 03 or more if configured) are controlled by M66. motion.analog-out-00 - (float, out) These pins (00, 01, 02, 03 or more if configured) are controlled by M67 or M68.
[12:31:19] <Lcvette> correct
[12:31:31] <Rab> fragalot, I hear that Mach4 is being reworked to incorporate a LinuxCNC core with a proprietary binary GUI. Newfangled Solutions is hoping to cut costs by leveraging the existing LinuxCNC support community. Pass it on.
[12:31:38] <Lcvette> configured the motion.analog with the leading zeros but not your gcode
[12:32:10] <fragalot> Rab: You win.
[12:33:23] <Lcvette> pink_vampire:
[12:33:24] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[12:34:00] <pink_vampire> yeah something like that
[12:34:21] <Loetmichel> Rab: would that be ok with the copyright that linuxCNC has?
[12:34:25] <Lcvette> ```
[12:34:26] <Lcvette> M64 P0 ; Move Carousel out
[12:34:32] <Lcvette> and that is from my subroutine
[12:34:36] <Loetmichel> or is that just april fools?
[12:35:02] <fragalot> Rab: see?
[12:35:13] <Lcvette> M64 P0, corresponds to the motion.digital-out-00 pin
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[12:35:56] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[12:51:24] <Rab> Loetmichel, sure, it's totally fine to ship GPL2 software along with proprietary junk. See: every DVD/BR player, smart TV, etc. I'm just trolling for April 1st, but I believe Tormach's PathPilot is literally what I described. ;)
[13:01:01] * Jymmm takes away pink_vampire crayons, which happen to be all pink!!!
[13:01:44] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: go figure! ;)
[13:02:30] <pink_vampire> http://3.bp.blogspot.com
[13:02:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: The things is, pink_vampire had to have bought 64 sets of crayons to get an ALL PINK set, So, what did she do with all the rest???
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[13:03:29] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: SMH
[13:04:29] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: eaten?
[13:04:38] <Loetmichel> ny crayon sets have "holes" in them. too
[13:05:49] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: She probably milled/cast them into lip shapes
[13:07:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I know I'm going to regret posting this (gives pink_vampire ideas)... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
[13:07:47] <pink_vampire> diy machinable wax
[13:08:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: see what I mean???
[13:08:16] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: hihi
[13:08:44] * Loetmichel uses his to "colour" engravings: http://www.cyrom.org
[13:09:22] <Loetmichel> maan, wrong video, sorry
[13:09:30] <pink_vampire> is that aluminum?
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[13:12:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- THATS the right video
[13:12:05] <Loetmichel> yes
[13:12:11] <Loetmichel> its aluminium
[13:12:27] <Loetmichel> its power buttons for PCs
[13:13:25] <fragalot> I have no idea what I just watched.
[13:13:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: black oil based enamel paint for "rub and buff" engraving filling works EXCELLENT
[13:14:16] <pink_vampire> what paint the pro.. use for that?
[13:15:17] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: are you aksing which paint?
[13:17:31] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i know. crayons and a butane torch are just easier ;)
[13:17:56] <pink_vampire> yeah
[13:18:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: bullshit
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[13:18:18] <Loetmichel> fragalot: a video of me engraving and then "painting" some power buttons
[13:18:57] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: if you say so.
[13:19:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Just use an old rag, dip into paint (maybe a drop or two), then "rub" into the engraving, and wipe off the surface excess, takes 30 seconds
[13:20:02] <Loetmichel> i wannna see you do that with 0,2mm "deep" engravings
[13:20:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I've done this for metal, stone, and plastics.
[13:20:19] <Loetmichel> the paint simply gets wiped out again by the rag
[13:20:43] <Jymmm> capilary action
[13:20:45] <Loetmichel> there is a reason i used a SINGLE LAYER of paper to clean off the excess crayon wax
[13:21:02] <Loetmichel> and not a cotton towel
[13:21:08] <Rab> Loetmichel, I've had the same issue; I usually use fine-grit sandpaper to brush the surface after the paint has dried.
[13:21:38] <Loetmichel> Rab: wasnt possible there: the surface of that aluminium knob is already painted silver
[13:21:53] <Loetmichel> so i couldnt even use a rag with acetone to clean it
[13:22:11] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[13:22:39] <pink_vampire> those are stuff that i filled with paint
[13:23:31] <Rab> I use a paint pen, because usually with etching there are some pits and other imperfections and I don't want those filled: http://reboots.g-cipher.net
[13:23:42] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I see the eyes, but wheres the lips?
[13:23:51] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Is that a gun cabinet?
[13:24:02] <pink_vampire> correct
[13:24:09] <fdarling> pink_vampire: that's your CNC's electrical cabinet?
[13:24:15] <pink_vampire> yes
[13:24:20] <fdarling> nicely done
[13:24:28] <Rab> pink_vampire, you made the Berta logos?
[13:24:36] <pink_vampire> yes
[13:24:39] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Nice, but that lol padlock will NEVER be used =)
[13:25:02] <Rab> pink_vampire, looks great.
[13:25:20] <pink_vampire> I love it!! i got the padlock for the machine
[13:25:20] <fdarling> pink_vampire: do you acid etch circuit boards?
[13:25:51] <pink_vampire> no, i ask the cnc and she engraved them
[13:26:02] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Nice job on the controller
[13:26:36] <fdarling> pink_vampire: what DB25 breakout board is that in there?
[13:26:46] <pink_vampire> those are C10
[13:26:58] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[13:27:09] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Yeah, I know the padlock is just to satisfy your OCD =)
[13:27:37] <Rab> pink_vampire, which EDA software did you use for that board?
[13:28:16] <pink_vampire> LOL i did it in solidworks
[13:29:00] <pink_vampire> i don't have ocd https://i.imgur.com
[13:31:13] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: you must be german then
[13:31:33] <Loetmichel> thats WAY to neat for a french or american or italian teminal block ;)
[13:31:41] <pink_vampire> hehe why?
[13:32:12] <Loetmichel> close to perfection wi would wager to say
[13:33:46] <pink_vampire> yes it is all ABB made europe/ germany
[13:34:22] <Loetmichel> i meant the wiring
[13:34:39] <Loetmichel> not the terminal blocks/fuses/contactors
[13:34:43] <pink_vampire> the wiring is usa made
[13:35:04] * Loetmichel once rewired an appartement for my cousin.
[13:35:19] <Loetmichel> then the Utilities had to place a new meter.
[13:35:47] <pink_vampire> why?
[13:36:10] <Loetmichel> the utility guy looked into the fuse board: "thats wasnt done by a pro? thats WAY TO NEAT for someone that was lived "time is money!""
[13:36:41] <Loetmichel> because the old was single phase and the new wiring was three phase
[13:36:58] <pink_vampire> three phase... dream...
[13:37:06] <Loetmichel> its standard in germany
[13:37:08] <Loetmichel> more or less
[13:37:22] <Loetmichel> unless you get a building from the 60ties
[13:37:32] <pink_vampire> here there is only split phase
[13:38:09] <Loetmichel> and even those old builings usually have 3 phase service coming in, but get split per flat/appartment into single phase
[13:39:08] <Loetmichel> we dont use split phase in europe
[13:39:24] <Loetmichel> its 3phase or single phase over here
[13:39:25] <pink_vampire> also 110
[13:39:33] <Loetmichel> and 230/400V ;)
[13:39:43] <pink_vampire> 400V dream...
[13:40:29] <pink_vampire> but here the 220 outlet is 220V 50A
[13:40:56] <pink_vampire> 6awg wire
[13:42:15] <Loetmichel> normal homes here have 3*32A main fuses
[13:42:57] <Loetmichel> and usual "block" transformers" for half a dozen homes have about half an MW maximum
[13:43:01] <pink_vampire> i tink her it is 2*200A or something like that
[13:43:27] <gregcnc> all depends
[13:44:47] <Loetmichel> so you can usually get up to 3*250A without much hassle (albeit a bit of digging to the street if the last few meters of wiring are to small), much more than that is usually pretty expensive because they have to dig up the street and put in bigger wires and change the transformer to a bigger one
[13:45:00] <Loetmichel> the "neighborhood transfomer"
[13:45:59] <pink_vampire> one day i will get better machine...
[13:46:01] <Loetmichel> we have nearly NO overhead power supply any more so the "pole transformers" for a single house that one sees in american movies arent a thing here
[13:47:23] <pink_vampire> i need some sleep, and food
[13:47:35] <Loetmichel> over here the is usually a three phase 10+15kV ring line underneath the streets, every other intersection there is a little green "doghouse on someones lawn that houses the transformer for the next few houses
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[15:01:52] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I just visited my sisters' house she bought last week to check out the electrical installation... it's an abomination.
[15:02:19] <fragalot> the 2 switch lights (no idea what you call that in english) don't flip between 2 wires, but it flips the phase on the light to switch it off or on >.<
[15:03:09] <fragalot> so when the light is "off", both wires are on phase A, or on phase B, depending on the state of the switches
[15:03:32] <fragalot> if you toggle either switch, you get A B or B A to switch the light on
[15:03:59] <fragalot> I knew it was going to be outdated & everything needed to be replaced from the ground up, but i'd never seen it this bad :P
[15:04:39] <fragalot> also - she's still in a street that has concrete power poles. probably the last one around, lol
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[15:06:29] <_abc_> Hi. I'm trying to create a toolpath for linuxcnc using pycam from a simple stl object. The "waterline" algorithm gives me grief. Does anyone know if it should trace only the contours of the slice or zig zag in it as it does in my case?
[15:10:42] <Loetmichel> fragalot: which country?
[15:11:07] <fragalot> Loetmichel: .be
[15:11:11] <Loetmichel> ah.
[15:11:15] <Loetmichel> no idea there
[15:11:22] <fragalot> it's normally the same here as you described
[15:11:37] <fragalot> but overhead poles are still around, but are being phased out
[15:11:45] <fragalot> the transformers are never on the pole though, the poles just run wiring
[15:11:48] <Loetmichel> in germany what you described is called a "berliner wechselschaltung" and is strictly forbidden
[15:12:06] <fragalot> it is forbidden here too
[15:12:28] <fragalot> hence the "abomination"
[15:12:39] <fragalot> wires changing color within their piping too
[15:12:45] <fragalot> random wire sections, tc
[15:12:46] <fragalot> etc
[15:13:10] <Loetmichel> if you would do that in a german apprentice test you would fail the whole test and have to redo the last year of apprenticeship
[15:13:30] <Loetmichel> THAT kind of forbidden
[15:14:05] <fragalot> it's unacceptable, end of story
[15:15:39] <_abc_> Do it in enemy countries.
[15:16:27] * Loetmichel is mulling over his youtube subscriptions... SvSeeker, Mustie1, Bad obsession Motorsport, elderly iron, clickspring, finding simon, matthias wandel, pure living for life, red poppy ranch, sampson boat co, the crazy framer... i think i am WAY to much a "DIY" guy than is good for me ;)
[15:16:37] <Loetmichel> ah, forgot april wilkerson ;)
[15:17:15] <fragalot> i'm not sure I have any subscriptions that AREN'T a 'DIY' channel
[15:17:45] <fragalot> except for bosnianbill & lockpickinglawyer
[15:17:58] <Loetmichel> i have a few, but they are from gamer channels
[15:18:54] <fragalot> i've got a few of those too
[15:19:01] <fragalot> typically runs in the background for the banter
[15:19:38] <Loetmichel> of course i have TOT and AVE, too ;)
[15:19:53] <fragalot> I found another fun one yesterday
[15:19:56] <Loetmichel> ... for the banter ;)
[15:19:59] <fragalot> let me see if I can find it again in my history
[15:20:36] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com
[15:24:23] <Loetmichel> fragalot: way to much a mirror for me...
[15:24:46] <Loetmichel> that could be me, just that my voice is less raspy and i have a german accent ;)
[15:24:59] <fragalot> :D
[15:25:08] <fragalot> there are a few gems on that channel
[15:28:17] <Loetmichel> fragalot: i must say that i admire Doug from SVSeeker for what he does. he has the right attitude... "impossible because i dont konw how? I dont think so!" and just LEARNS how to.
[15:28:40] <fragalot> AND gets free labor from inexperienced people, and they get a free hands-on course on how to get shit done
[15:28:49] <roycroft> i have no youtube subscriptions
[15:29:05] <Loetmichel> or "maaan ship propellers are EXPENSIVE... but brass is cheap... and proceeds to learn how to cast brass and makes his own propeller :-)
[15:29:06] <roycroft> it is impossible to watch youtube in real time
[15:29:28] <Loetmichel> fragalot: indeed
[15:29:32] <roycroft> whenever i want to watch something i just download it and then delete it when i'm done watching
[15:29:48] <fragalot> I used to have that problem
[15:29:55] <fragalot> but then I made it to 2012
[15:29:57] <roycroft> and i have enough distractions already without being notified that there's some new video for me to watch
[15:30:12] <fragalot> I don't use notifications, but I do use subscriptions & check them periodically
[15:30:29] <Loetmichel> same here
[15:32:04] <Loetmichel> fragalot: i also like his take on personal safety equipment: "wear what you think you have to, its all here, but dont come whining when you didnt wear something and got hurt.
[15:32:13] <Loetmichel> "
[15:35:09] <roycroft> it looks like 2% lanthenated electrodes are what most folks recommend for mild steal, and i think i have some, so that would be brilliant
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[15:35:39] <fragalot> those work well, i've still got too much thoriated to use up first though that works fine
[15:35:49] <fragalot> just.. don't breathe the dust :P
[15:36:05] <roycroft> i have some thoriated electrodes
[15:36:16] <roycroft> but yes, breating in radioactive dust is not recommended
[15:36:19] <roycroft> breathing
[15:39:52] <_abc_> Not all Th is radioactive. You do not have Th232 electrodes
[15:40:19] <_abc_> Is there some way to save a project's settings in pycam? There are 30 manual settings and no way to save them?!
[15:40:51] <fragalot> _abc_: it still emits alpha particles, which your skin blocks fine, but your lungs & organs don't
[15:41:02] <_abc_> no
[15:41:19] <_abc_> BUT "usual" Th does contain traces of Th232 which does what you said
[15:41:19] <fragalot> also - never used pycam (just to get that out of the way :-) )
[15:41:22] <_abc_> But there is very little.
[15:41:46] <fragalot> In a review of air sampling measurements carried out during grinding it was concluded that during grinding air concentrations could approach or even exceed concentrations at which it would be necessary to consider designating the area as a controlled area as defined by the Ionising Radiation Regulations 1999.
[15:41:53] <fragalot> according to twi
[15:44:00] <_abc_> grinding of what. You realize that normal Th is post refining, because Th232 is valuable and removed for other uses? Also it would be illegal to sell to the public if it would not be removed.
[15:44:21] <_abc_> fragalot: check out Th232 isotope price per gram and you'll get it
[15:44:48] <fragalot> _abc_: get a geiger counter, put it on a stack of 2% thoriated tungsten electrodezs
[15:44:58] <fragalot> it DOES emit a small amount of radiation
[15:45:30] <Tom_L> _abc_ you get your install sorted out?
[15:45:52] <fragalot> perfectly harmless level for normal use, especially given that you don't walk around with them in your chest pocket, but the dust is still a radioactive substance that you inhale. In no case is that something good.
[15:46:05] <_abc_> Tom_L: yes and no. It works but it does not work with persistence from usb stick. More work to do there, the config in the live release conflicts with the live scripts in certain ways.
[15:46:34] <_abc_> fragalot: put the Geiger on your grandma's gravestone or on a granite kitchen top and tell me what you see.
[15:46:58] <Tom_L> wouldn't that be radon?
[15:47:18] <_abc_> No, the radon comes after the radiation. And then turns into Po which is the real bad thing.
[15:47:33] <_abc_> There's Uxxx in granite, lots of it usually.
[15:48:18] <_abc_> Ra is a daughter product from spontaneous Uxxx fission and is a gas which you can inhale. Then Ra spontaneously decays into Po which is solid and stays in the lungs. And that will slowly kill you
[15:48:37] <_abc_> I think it's Rd radon not Ra.
[15:49:38] <Rab> _abc_, I am not sure these attributes of granite illustrate anything with regard to thoriated tungsten.
[16:02:40] <_abc_> They do not.
[16:02:55] <_abc_> I see there are non Th containing alternatives http://www.pro-fusiononline.com
[16:03:12] <fragalot> yeah there are
[16:04:36] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[16:05:10] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[16:05:27] <skunkworks> could have used a little bigger circuit board...
[16:05:49] <_abc_> Hall sensors for rotation indexing?
[16:06:42] <skunkworks> gear tooth sensors
[16:06:51] <skunkworks> quadature + index
[16:07:47] <fragalot> lneat
[16:07:49] <fragalot> -l
[16:16:53] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[16:19:03] <fragalot> https://imgur.com
[16:22:19] <_abc_> my pycam version on linux does not have the "Save Task Settings *" menu entries. http://pycam.sourceforge.net -- where would I find a version which has these? I got the latest pycam from the website.
[16:22:38] <_abc_> skunkworks: small magnet on back of each Hall?
[16:24:12] <_abc_> Apparently need 0.7.0 but that's not on the website?!
[16:25:37] <_abc_> yep release notes confirm 0.6.2 and up get worse (negative bounding boxes removed?!)
[16:26:05] <_abc_> Also the feture I need appears in 0.7.0+, saving workspace settings.
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[17:25:29] <devlap> Man I got money in my pocket burning for a lathe.
[17:25:46] <devlap> Can't decide what I want to get.
[17:27:44] <gloops> any shortlist devlap?
[17:28:08] <devlap> idk. thinking about going taiwan 14x40"
[17:28:18] <devlap> Who knows what your going to get used off ebay.
[17:28:30] <devlap> I see a lot of SB and what not, but idk, I don't want a project.
[17:29:46] <devlap> The used stuff on craigs list is pretty much the price of new taiwan stuff, so that wasnt helpful.
[17:29:59] <devlap> It looks like most people want a good chunk of change for their used *rap.
[17:52:11] <devlap> Monarch 10EE with broken tailstock handwheel. 10500$
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[18:07:22] <_abc_> That is a little steep, no? Maybe if it includes a complete jig and tool set?
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[18:35:26] <andypugh> I found the ideal packaging to post a 4-jaw chuck that I sold on eBay in the supermarket: https://photos.app.goo.gl
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[18:41:17] <Tom_L> andypugh i found if you have gcmc_lib, ngcgui_lib or remap_lib in nc_files directory you can't save sim files in 2.8
[18:41:40] <Tom_L> any of those directories
[18:42:06] <Jymmm> andypugh: you have room in there for some kisses too
[18:42:38] <andypugh> kisses?
[18:43:57] <Jymmm> andypugh: https://media.candystore.com
[18:44:23] <andypugh> Never seen them in the UK
[18:44:40] <andypugh> And they might get stolen my the postman.
[18:44:58] <Jymmm> Oh wow, that kinda sucks
[18:48:01] <andypugh> What? That we can’t buy a particular sweet in the UK?
[18:48:25] <andypugh> (I was joking about the postman, just commenting that the packaging is entirely transparent)
[18:48:34] <Tom_L> you guys are missin out on alot of stuff
[18:49:04] <andypugh> And whyhas Stack Overflow gone all Geocities?
[18:49:12] <andypugh> https://stackoverflow.com
[18:50:39] <andypugh> And there are confections and foods that you miss out on too, even YouTube vidoes about them, like: https://www.youtube.com
[18:53:01] <Tom_L> andypugh, she watches them all the time: https://www.youtube.com
[18:53:32] <devlap> andypugh, they did it for april 1st
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[18:54:15] <andypugh> devlap: It takes me right back.
[18:54:20] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[18:54:28] <devlap> you just need <blink> now
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[23:25:32] <Tom_L> so in qtpyvcp, how do you know what the syntax is for the sets of rules?
[23:26:09] <Tom_L> kindof a late night question when all is dead...
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