#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-04-25

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[02:15:38] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[02:26:17] <CaptHindsight> shhh people are sleeping
[02:36:10] <Elmo40> i'm still awake...
[02:39:15] <Jymmm> Elmo40: no your not, it's only a dream
[02:39:17] <CaptHindsight> sshhss
[02:39:37] <CaptHindsight> now everyones up
[02:40:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: blame Loetmichel
[02:40:14] <CaptHindsight> er eh a dream thats it, just dream
[02:40:31] <CaptHindsight> your eyes are getting heavy
[02:47:31] <Loetmichel> yaaaawn
[02:47:50] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: you called?
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[02:56:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: What mod do you have again?
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[03:02:36] <tecdroid> hi there
[03:03:45] <Loetmichel> mod?
[03:03:59] <Loetmichel> you mean which E-cig?
[03:04:48] <Loetmichel> if so: Zelos Aspire mod with Nautilus2 tank
[03:12:28] <tecdroid> is it possible to do some z correction for a machine? seems, my bed is a little higher at x0 y0 z0 than at xmax ymax z0..
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[03:49:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel I'm kinda impressed https://www.youtube.com
[04:09:32] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: exactly that kit
[04:09:45] <Loetmichel> but in red :-)
[04:10:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I'm liking grey =)
[04:10:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: then it should compliment any tank
[04:11:30] <Lcvette> https://youtu.be
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[04:39:03] <Lcvette> Loetmichel: vandyvape pulse x is awesome! once you go squonk you'll never go back to screw on coils
[04:54:11] <Loetmichel> Lcvette: i dont like those "drippers". i want a tank
[04:54:18] <Loetmichel> so nautilus2 it is
[04:54:29] <Loetmichel> also i only use 20W setting, enough for me
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[05:48:34] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:58] <XXCoder> morning
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[05:58:54] <Tom_L> morning
[06:00:21] <Tom_L> looks like jt may be getting wet
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[06:13:21] <XXCoder> hope jt is not a warlock :(
[06:13:35] <XXCoder> water have known dissolving actions on witches and warlocks
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[06:15:52] <SpeedEvil> What about water based coolant with dissolved oils?
[06:16:22] <XXCoder> i think jt simply uses more expensive oil only coolant
[06:16:29] <XXCoder> like those swiss machines
[06:16:47] <Deejay> moin
[06:16:53] <XXCoder> hey
[06:30:18] <Loetmichel> pure oil coolant needs larger hoses though
[06:30:27] <Loetmichel> because of less thermal capacity
[06:34:17] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:36:20] <Loetmichel> less capacity-> more volume for the same cooling effect
[06:36:36] <XXCoder> yeah got that
[06:37:17] <Loetmichel> and its not "a bit less". Its DRASTICALLY less capacity
[06:37:47] <jthornton> been raining since 3pm yesterday
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[11:08:26] <Loetmichel> maaan, i should listened to the CAMBAM programm when it told me that the CNC mill job will take hours... sitting here at 7 minutes past work end for the day and the mill isnt even done 50%... (started it two hours ago, should have known better...) overtime it is :-(
[11:14:36] <jym> Loetmichel: Eh, you weren't gonna do anything anyway except sit on your butt, might as well get paid for it ;)
[11:16:32] <jym> Loetmichel: BTW, the the 18650 replaceable in the mod?
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[11:31:54] <Loetmichel> nope, fixed salary. dont get paid for overtime
[11:32:17] <jym> Loetmichel: those bastards!!!
[11:32:21] <Loetmichel> the 18650 is repleaceable. IF you can solder and have a small torx screwdriver
[11:33:00] <jym> Loetmichel: Ok, woulda been nicer with a battery holder, and even have security torx bits =)
[11:33:45] <jym> Loetmichel: Now, just to see if I can find that mod in the USA
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[11:44:29] <CaptHindsight> https://www.engadget.com who gave the dopes $20M?
[11:44:45] <jym> Loetmichel: HAs your red mode got scratched up yet?
[11:45:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.engadget.com
[11:46:09] <CaptHindsight> but can't pick shirts from a pile :(
[11:48:49] <jym> CaptHindsight: Yeah, we know, but it's okey
[11:50:05] <jym> CaptHindsight: Oh , heh, I thought you said YOU can't pick shirts from a pile and that others have to dress you =)
[11:50:59] <CaptHindsight> oh put some pants on and have some self respect!
[11:51:33] <CaptHindsight> jym: any fun projects lately?
[11:52:04] <CaptHindsight> between fires, mudslides, spider attacks etc
[11:52:15] <Loetmichel> jym: yes, quite a bit
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[13:40:48] <gloops> noteable absence of accurate set squares on ebay
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[13:41:02] <gloops> i.e guaranteed square +-
[13:41:35] <roycroft> get a brand-new-in-a-box starrett
[13:41:50] <gloops> dont see those here
[13:41:58] <roycroft> or even better yet, get a certified cylinder square, and make your own squares
[13:42:01] <gloops> i dont want to spend hundreds, just a decent square
[13:43:07] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[13:43:17] <gloops> a lot of that rubbish, theyre never square
[13:43:43] <roycroft> if you're looking for an accurate square for woodworking, woodpecker's is kind of the standard around here
[13:44:04] <roycroft> https://www.woodpeck.com
[13:44:11] <roycroft> i have one of those and it is great
[13:44:32] <roycroft> i don't know about availability in the uk
[13:44:49] <roycroft> but in the usa that's a very very popular square
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[13:45:45] <roycroft> contrary to what you would think from intial appearance, the square is made from a single billet of aluminium
[13:45:58] <roycroft> the reason for the rivets is to hold the scales on
[13:46:03] <gloops> 'A Square Must Be Square, Period.' theyre saying the right things anyway
[13:46:18] <roycroft> but both arms of the square are made of a single billet
[13:46:32] <roycroft> and it is dead nuts square, as long as you don't drop it or otherwise abuse it
[13:47:16] <Loetmichel> problem with aluminium squares is that aluminium warps if not properly "destressed" after casting/forging
[13:47:19] <roycroft> i wonder if axminster carry woodpeckers
[13:47:26] <Loetmichel> and it warps BADLY when machined
[13:47:52] <roycroft> loetmichel: i've never heard of anyone who had a problem with a woodpecker's square
[13:48:12] <roycroft> they machine everything in-house and pride themselves on the accuracy of their tools
[13:48:23] <roycroft> i'm sure they do whatever destressing is necessary prior to shipping
[13:48:26] <Loetmichel> roycroft: then i assume that they do the proper "destressing" before milling those squares
[13:48:48] <Loetmichel> i meant the cheap "injection molded" woodworkers squares
[13:48:56] <roycroft> yeah
[13:49:00] <roycroft> the one i linked to is $120
[13:49:02] <roycroft> it's not cheap
[13:49:09] <roycroft> but it's also not terribly expensive, for what it is
[13:49:42] <roycroft> 200x300mm
[13:49:51] <roycroft> a decent size
[13:51:09] * Loetmichel has a 400*800 "anschlagwinkel" (machinists square) in 00 precision. THAT thing looks like absolute cheap but was pretty expensive ;)
[13:51:21] <Loetmichel> 400mm*800mm
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[14:28:44] <jthornton> https://matrix.org
[14:29:12] <Tom_L> goin boating?
[14:29:35] <Tom_L> lotta extra cloth hangin off there...
[14:30:44] <jthornton> he had not trimmed it yet
[14:30:45] <Tom_L> or is that just your way of sayin you're tired of rain?
[14:31:07] <jthornton> my friend is making it, his second one
[14:31:12] <Tom_L> ahh
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[14:35:01] <jthornton> I helped him glass the outside and was supposed to help with the inside but by the time I got over there he was done lol
[14:39:58] <gregcnc> is that the inside or outside? i can't tell
[14:40:13] <jthornton> the canoe?
[14:40:38] <gregcnc> yeah, i guess the reflection says it's the outside
[14:41:01] <jthornton> but the glass hanging off the top is your clue it's the inside
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[14:41:32] <jthornton> but it could be the other way, sorta an optical thing
[14:42:18] <jthornton> the close end looks like the outside and the far end looks like the inside lol
[14:42:18] <gregcnc> heh, it looks like the inside toward the back and the outside in front
[14:43:28] <gregcnc> lighting shadows the strips all make it hard to tell, this could be the next is the dress blue or gold pic
[14:43:43] <jthornton> lol
[14:45:18] <fragalot> yanni
[14:45:29] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com
[14:47:14] <Tom_L> what? no PTO?
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[14:55:58] <Wolf__> I like how the rear axle isnt centered
[15:04:55] <Rab> I can respect an audacious rat rod concept, but that thing just made me sad.
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[17:04:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:14:44] <jym> CaptHindsight: No, just decompressing and killing things
[17:15:28] <jym> Loetmichel: I meant to ask you, how long have you had that mod, and how many times have you replaced the coil?
[17:16:36] <Loetmichel> Do 16 Nov 2017 19:43:33 CET
[17:16:50] <Loetmichel> about the 15th coil in now
[17:17:12] <jym> Loetmichel: wind you own coils?
[17:17:42] <Loetmichel> nope
[17:17:53] <Loetmichel> the ready made are just to cheap
[17:18:04] <jym> Loetmichel: how much?
[17:18:15] <Loetmichel> <2 eur IIRC
[17:18:26] <Loetmichel> havent bought one in quite a while
[17:18:28] <Loetmichel> just a moment
[17:18:38] <jym> CaptHindsight: Well, actually, I'm slowly working on a MINII thermal mass rocket stove
[17:19:17] <jym> CaptHindsight: ...as I salvage materials
[17:19:49] <Loetmichel> yes, below 10 eur for 5 pcs
[17:20:22] <jym> CaptHindsight: I've got 3 burned out propane tanks, and some 4" pipe so far
[17:20:38] <Loetmichel> https://www.gearbest.com
[17:21:43] <jym> Loetmichel: are the 0.7 ohm worth it?
[17:22:16] <Loetmichel> i think i have 0.8 in now
[17:22:19] <Loetmichel> just a moment
[17:22:59] <Loetmichel> nope, 1,8 ohms it was
[17:23:50] <jym> Loetmichel: Oh, because you linked me to 0.7 is why I asked
[17:24:27] <jym> CaptHindsight: Oh, and some burned out hinges too
[17:25:46] <Loetmichel> it was just the first i found
[17:26:15] <jym> gotcha
[17:27:03] <jym> Loetmichel: you dont cloud chase? lol
[17:29:29] <Loetmichel> i dont ;)
[17:29:53] <Loetmichel> i did a bit back when i started vaping
[17:30:05] <Loetmichel> but i think its moot
[17:30:06] <jym> using 1.8 or 0.7 ?
[17:30:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[17:30:39] <Loetmichel> totally different mod ;)
[17:30:46] <jym> yeah, I see that
[17:31:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- hihi, and another mod ;)
[17:33:18] <jym> Yeah, I know you have (had) a belt pouch full of vape pens
[17:37:15] <jym> CaptHindsight: How about you? Any projects?
[17:37:38] <jym> Loetmichel: It that site you linked good to buy the mod from?
[17:45:39] <Loetmichel> i bought mine from a german company. i suppose you search for an american one?
[17:45:58] <Loetmichel> i honestly dont trust gearbest to be reliable
[17:46:26] <jym> Loetmichel: how about being authentic?
[17:46:27] <Loetmichel> wouldnt buy stuff there that i REALLY want to arrive timely
[17:46:46] <Loetmichel> its probably authentic, but i wouldnt bet my live on it
[17:47:01] <jym> ok
[17:47:40] <Loetmichel> meaning: the few times i ordered there (mostly gimmics like mini quadcopters and like stuff) they delivered what was advertized
[17:48:01] <Loetmichel> no fakes or knockoffs advertized as "brand"
[17:48:14] <Loetmichel> but the delivery time wasnt always like avertized
[17:48:26] <jym> Loetmichel: ah, well can't buy aspire in the USA it seems
[17:48:48] <Loetmichel> then go with gearbest
[17:48:59] <Loetmichel> but be aware of the drawbacks
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[18:07:25] <Loetmichel> jym: just dismantle mine so you can see how easy it is to fit a new 18650 (also you can see the amount of chafing the anodizing mine has already) -> http://www.cyrom.org
[18:17:14] <jym> Loetmichel: Your's looks trashed! haha TY for the breakdown pic
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[18:27:28] <_unreal_> freaking hell I cant find my damn box of pcb BLANKS
[18:31:11] * Tom_L hands _unreal_ a couple: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[18:31:34] <jym> _unreal_: It's between that wal and the other wall
[18:36:13] <_unreal_> freaking hell I knew it
[18:36:34] <_unreal_> that looks like some good sized copper clad
[18:37:41] <_unreal_> I have a small box with high quality perf board that are 6x40 holes "size wise"
[18:37:52] <_unreal_> I need them so I can make my motor interfaces
[18:37:55] <_unreal_> for my stepping motors
[18:37:59] <_unreal_> big cnc project
[18:38:21] <_unreal_> MAN this pale ale kicks like a mule
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[18:59:59] <_unreal_> hello?
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[19:20:54] <jym> _unreal_: it's working =)
[19:23:56] <jym> Loetmichel: Why does your coil say 9.9 ohms???
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[21:29:12] <net|> wow the lowest cost ram pump on ebay is 600 dollars, seen this today https://www.thingiverse.com
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[22:59:05] <skunkworks> would you believe... rt_preempt?
[22:59:07] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com
[23:07:41] <norias> hmpf
[23:08:01] <norias> the haas mini mill 2 is only like $40k
[23:08:15] <norias> and you can get a pallet changer for that same amount for it
[23:08:28] <Tom_L> you could probably get a decent larger used one for that
[23:08:37] <norias> i'm sure you could
[23:08:45] <Tom_L> what's the work envelope on it?
[23:08:49] <norias> but the mini mill 2 can run on single phase
[23:08:53] <norias> i think 20x16
[23:09:00] <Tom_L> not too bad
[23:09:04] <Tom_L> what about z?
[23:09:07] <norias> hmmm
[23:09:09] <norias> 14?
[23:09:15] <norias> i don't feel like looking again
[23:09:19] <Tom_L> z will kill ya on a small mill
[23:09:22] <norias> yeah
[23:09:43] <norias> I don't want to make very big parts
[23:09:49] <Tom_L> i added a riser to mine after the fact
[23:10:01] <norias> although, i bet the pallet changer sucks up some of it
[23:10:13] <Tom_L> and alot of the work space
[23:10:41] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:10:47] <Tom_L> that helped
[23:11:26] <norias> i wonder what one of those arms from universal robotics costs?
[23:11:41] <norias> i'm half assed researching the cheapest way to get to lights out
[23:11:45] <Tom_L> scanner or work arm?
[23:12:33] <norias> work
[23:12:42] <norias> load and unload parts on the pallet
[23:12:45] <Tom_L> no idea
[23:12:48] <norias> i'm seeing another $30k
[23:13:03] <norias> so about $100k before consumables
[23:13:42] <norias> that's the easy part
[23:13:57] <norias> getting enough work, programming, etc is the hard stuff
[23:13:58] <Tom_L> need a programmer for it
[23:14:07] <norias> yeah
[23:14:15] <norias> realistically, i think you also need a cmm
[23:14:18] <Tom_L> you could pay a monkey to swap parts cheaper
[23:14:32] <norias> naw...
[23:14:35] <norias> no 24/7
[23:14:45] <roycroft> get a barrel of monkeys
[23:14:59] <roycroft> you can work them in shifts
[23:15:03] <roycroft> and there is no way to have more fun
[23:15:30] <Tom_L> i wonder what the MTBF would be on an arm
[23:15:56] <norias> good point
[23:16:03] <norias> gotta figure on repair downtime
[23:16:43] <Tom_L> aside from the occasional programmer crash
[23:17:11] <norias> yeah
[23:17:23] <Tom_L> i suppose some have a 'learn' mode
[23:18:06] <norias> supply chain
[23:18:13] <norias> gotta get material in and parts out
[23:21:38] <norias> consumables
[23:21:50] <CaptHindsight> what size arm? reach and weight of load?
[23:23:07] <CaptHindsight> robot prices really vary based on precision, speed and capacity
[23:23:37] <norias> fair enough
[23:24:46] <CaptHindsight> businesses usually lease anyway
[23:27:05] <norias> i think all the other stuff is the bigger issue
[23:27:20] <norias> quoting / programming / materials / consumables
[23:28:34] <CaptHindsight> https://hgrinc.com
[23:30:42] <norias> yeah
[23:31:16] <norias> makes me think maybe a pick and place is a better starting point
[23:31:35] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[23:31:54] <CaptHindsight> $20K robot for $2300
[23:33:50] <Tom_L> may need a specialized gripper too
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[23:34:16] <norias> yeah
[23:34:30] <CaptHindsight> https://schunk.com
[23:34:49] <CaptHindsight> https://schunk.com
[23:38:19] <Tom_L> makes me also wonder what the power cost is for a fully automated line
[23:39:00] <Tom_L> must be cheaper than feeding a monkey cause there's sure alot of them around
[23:39:52] <CaptHindsight> monkeys don't always want to work
[23:40:12] <Tom_L> but there's a good supply of them
[23:41:09] <CaptHindsight> monkeys don't see the big picture, just next meal
[23:41:18] <Tom_L> but not a supply of good ones
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[23:41:48] <CaptHindsight> good depends on your perspective
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[23:46:11] <Tom_L> if newer systems run preempt-rt and older one run RTAI but can still upgrade to master, what is the push to get RTAI on stretch?
[23:46:16] <Tom_L> just out of curiosity...
[23:47:12] <CaptHindsight> I'm tired
[23:47:24] <CaptHindsight> a few things
[23:47:30] <Tom_L> it was just a passing thought i had
[23:48:07] <CaptHindsight> wheezy is EOL so some feel that it's bad to only have that as a live cd
[23:48:11] <Tom_L> other than the parallel port think which you mentioned..
[23:48:20] <Tom_L> ahh
[23:48:50] <CaptHindsight> new hardware needs a newer kernel that what RTAI can currently support
[23:49:08] <Tom_L> doesn't seem that RTAI is keeping up though
[23:49:21] <CaptHindsight> but RTAI is not going to happen unless there is some miracle project that pays for it
[23:49:50] <CaptHindsight> no and rtai.org doesn't want our help
[23:50:06] <CaptHindsight> we kept it going for our own projects
[23:50:31] <CaptHindsight> it's a university profs pet project
[23:50:39] <Tom_L> figures
[23:50:51] <CaptHindsight> I guess fixing his code makes him look bad
[23:51:17] <Tom_L> but not fixing his own also does
[23:52:03] <CaptHindsight> we tried, but it's thankless and nobody wants to pay much for support
[23:52:08] <Tom_L> or his next gen of students...
[23:52:40] <CaptHindsight> EU aerospace stuff
[23:52:49] <CaptHindsight> he might not even teach anymore
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[23:53:46] <CaptHindsight> it could have stalled 7-8 years ago
[23:54:06] <CaptHindsight> why Peter started working out new hardware with preempt_rt