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[11:50:19] <roycroft> toilet shutoff valves (when they are even present) are almost always like that
[11:50:58] <elmo40> because no one closes them
[11:51:15] <roycroft> one has to go into the job hoping to be able to close the valve, but assuming one is going to have to turn off the main valve for the building and cut the toilet valve out
[11:51:28] <elmo40> annually i go about the house, closing and opening all of those rubber valves. when they do fail, i replace with a ball valve.
[11:51:46] <roycroft> also, people tend to open those valves all the way and leave them like that
[11:51:56] <roycroft> i always open a water valve all the way and then close it about 1/4 turn
[11:52:14] <roycroft> that helps a lot in keeping the valve from freezing open
[11:52:18] <elmo40> i dont know why rubber valves are still around! the chlorine kills the buna seals. if they used viton then they would last a little longer. ball valves are the way to go.
[11:52:27] <roycroft> i do the same thing on welding gas cylinders and the like
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[11:53:32] <roycroft> this is assuming gate and ball valves
[11:53:38] <elmo40> everything water related i install new is with a ball valve. i'm done with those rubber seat valves.
[11:53:40] <roycroft> butterfly valves need to be left wide open
[11:53:56] <elmo40> they cause much turbulance at partial opening.
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[12:01:25] <Loetmichel> roycroft: yes, same with "under sink" shutoff valves
[12:02:13] <Loetmichel> elmo40: germany. no chlorine in the water ;)
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[12:04:37] <roycroft> we use chloramine here in eugene - it does not dissipate like chlorine, and some of our water mains are far from the water treatment plants
[12:05:04] <roycroft> it's rather irritating, because aside from the chloramine injections, we have some of the purest water to be had
[12:05:20] <roycroft> and it's ideal for brewing - the water profile is quite similar to that in pilsen
[12:05:43] <roycroft> however, the chloramine has to be removed, and that is slightly problematic
[12:06:06] <roycroft> it can be removed with an activated carbon filter, but it has to flow through the filter very slowly
[12:06:34] <roycroft> i flow it at 2L/minute, and my hot liquor tank holds 55L, so it takes quite a while to fill
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[12:28:36] <perry_j1987> what do you guys suggest for cleaning lots of small parts of cutting oil and swarf etc
[12:31:03] <roycroft> a big ultrasonic cleaner
[12:31:32] <roycroft> or a small one, if the parts fit
[12:31:40] <roycroft> i used diluted simple green in mine
[12:31:45] <roycroft> it works brilliantly
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[12:38:25] <pink_vampire> perry_j1987: I'm dealing with similar stuff, (typewriter) so, I'm letting the part sitting in ziploc bag full with alcohol, and I'm putting it in the ultrasonic for some time,then I'm working on each part with small wire brush
[12:38:46] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[12:38:54] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[12:39:03] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[12:43:35] <perry_j1987> so ultrasonic cleaner better than a partswasher tank
[12:45:49] <Loetmichel> *FINALLY* MAAAN that thing fought me... didnt need to use the sawzall though, could fold it up to break one tube off... -> http://www.cyrom.org
[12:46:17] <pink_vampire> perry_j1987: for small stuff SURE
[12:48:45] <pink_vampire> I got the one from HF with the 25% coupon and it is working fine on stuff that will dissolved and fall, like grit, oil, grease and stuff like that - it is not remove tarnish
[12:49:11] <pink_vampire> the plastic net make it less powerful
[12:50:48] <roycroft> an ultrasonic cleaner is different to a parts washer tank
[12:51:02] <roycroft> for small parts it's generally more suitable in my experience
[12:51:32] <roycroft> if you have old parts that are encrusted with thick grease and grime, then a parts washer tank is a better option, at least initially
[12:51:43] <Tom_L> ultrasonic cleaner full of trichlorotrifluoroethane
[12:51:46] <Tom_L> :D
[12:51:51] <roycroft> but for freshly-machined small parts the ultrasonic cleaner is perfect
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[12:51:58] <pink_vampire> all the milling head parts was done in the ultrasonic and other than abit brusing it was very nice
[12:52:04] <roycroft> and simple green is safe, biodegradable, and cheap
[12:52:47] <pink_vampire> roycroft: and make steel black better then cold blue
[12:53:00] <roycroft> i've not experienced that
[12:53:07] <pink_vampire> don't leave stuff over night
[12:53:16] <roycroft> you must either have not diluted it enough or left it in the tank too long
[12:53:20] <roycroft> and i forewarned you about both
[12:53:50] <pink_vampire> i was trying to clean my drill chuck,
[12:53:56] <pink_vampire> it was a big mistake
[12:54:00] <Tom_L> black is the new clean
[12:54:22] <roycroft> if you're going to immerse a drill chuck in some kind of cleaning solution you must dismantle the chuck first
[12:54:39] <perry_j1987> https://amzn.to think i'll pick up one of these ultrasonic cleaners then
[12:54:43] <roycroft> you'll have to lubricate the bearings after, and you cannot do that with the chuck assembled
[12:55:17] <roycroft> perry_j1987: i have a small one almost identical to that
[12:55:28] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com this is what i fund in the morning
[12:55:31] <roycroft> i've had it for a good 15 years or so, use it almost daily, and it still works likei t was brand new
[12:55:45] <Tom_L> mine is that exact size
[12:55:51] <Tom_L> pretty sure
[12:55:51] <roycroft> i also have a 20L ultrasonic cleaner that i use for larger parts
[12:55:58] <pink_vampire> it is so stiff right now you can't even move it
[12:56:02] <perry_j1987> how much can you fill it with parts
[12:56:15] <roycroft> i never use anything but plain water in the unit itself
[12:56:20] <perry_j1987> loose effectiveness if loaded too much?
[12:56:38] <pink_vampire> perry_j1987: 1.3 is too small
[12:56:45] <roycroft> when i need to use some kind of cleaning solution i put the cleaning solution in a small glass jar, put the parts in the jar, and put the jar in the basket
[12:56:54] <roycroft> you should not pack things in tightly
[12:56:55] <pink_vampire> get something rectangle
[12:57:58] <roycroft> an ultrasonic cleaner is noisy to the point of being very irritating
[12:58:04] <pink_vampire> the simple green work grate! but NEVER leave stuff in it more then 3 hours
[12:58:14] <Tom_L> i usually put the cleaner inside a container inside the ultrasonic cleaner and fill the tank with a water mix
[12:58:18] <roycroft> so if you get one i recommend you find a place to park it where you do not work
[12:58:23] <pink_vampire> roycroft: I put mine in the closet
[12:58:57] <roycroft> i have a lean-to shed that i built next to my garage shop - my air compressor lives there, as well as some grinders and some woodworking machinery that is on casters
[12:59:08] <roycroft> i put my ultrasonic cleaners out there
[12:59:19] <pink_vampire> also, do yourself a favor and get one with a drain
[12:59:25] <roycroft> close enough to the main shop to be easy to access, but far enough away that the noise does not bother me
[12:59:36] <roycroft> the 1.3L one doesn't need a drain - it's really small
[12:59:40] <roycroft> the larger ones do need a drain
[13:00:15] <pink_vampire> the HF also don't have drain, and I'm thinking about getting a small pump
[13:00:43] <pink_vampire> I don't want to drill it (yet)
[13:00:50] <perry_j1987> turkey baster
[13:00:54] <roycroft> i don't drain my small one often, as i only use plain water in it
[13:01:13] <roycroft> but when i do, it's easy enough to unplug it, pick it up, and dump it out
[13:01:14] <pink_vampire> mine fill with shit all over
[13:01:25] <roycroft> the 20L one does have a drain, and i do use simple greein in that one often
[13:01:27] <perry_j1987> ya i was just reading some people put parts and solution in ziplock bags and plain water in the tub itself
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[13:01:46] <roycroft> i like a glass jar because it can be reused indefinitely
[13:01:58] <roycroft> ziplock bags cannot, and cause plastic waste
[13:02:25] <perry_j1987> i imagine different container materials would inhibit the ultrasonic aspect?
[13:02:28] <roycroft> the glass jar does not absorb the ultrasonic waves, and my parts get plenty clean
[13:02:44] <roycroft> ultrasonic cleaning can take a while
[13:02:53] <roycroft> but it's a set and forget operation, so that doesn't matter
[13:03:02] <pink_vampire> plastic cups also work very good
[13:03:18] <roycroft> but again, they're plastic, and cannot be recycled - only downcycled at best
[13:03:32] <roycroft> and they cannot be used indefinitely like a glass jar can
[13:03:55] <roycroft> in my small one i use jelly jars, which fit nicely, and i can use regular canning jar lids on them
[13:03:58] <pink_vampire> it is just convenient
[13:04:13] <roycroft> so i can keep different solvents in different jars, and grab the one that i need at the moment
[13:04:22] <roycroft> convenience is no excuse to pollute
[13:04:53] <perry_j1987> that sounds really handy actually
[13:05:08] <roycroft> i know folks freak out about this
[13:05:15] <roycroft> and i shall therefore not recommend it
[13:05:48] <pink_vampire> roycroft: you are right, but fur stuff full with gunk, I just like the disposable ziplock
[13:05:51] <roycroft> but i've used various solvents such as lacquer thinner and mineral spirits in my ultrasonic cleaners for years and have never had a problem with their flashing off and catching fire
[13:06:03] <roycroft> so again
[13:06:08] <roycroft> i am *NOT* recommending that
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[13:06:17] <roycroft> but it does work just fine :)
[13:06:26] <roycroft> i mostly use simple green though
[13:06:49] <roycroft> i avoid simple green on brass and other copper-containing alloys
[13:06:54] <roycroft> it corrodes them quickly
[13:07:03] <pink_vampire> rubbing alcohol 91% from walmart also work very good
[13:07:09] <roycroft> and it corrodes aluminium over time, but i haven't really had a problem with that
[13:07:37] <pink_vampire> the simple green not very good on zinc stuff
[13:07:50] <roycroft> i buy denatured alcohol by the gallon, which should work almost as well as isopropanol, and is way cheaper
[13:08:05] <pink_vampire> i want to try vinegar
[13:08:13] <roycroft> simple green will also remove paint if given enough time
[13:08:16] <perry_j1987> vinegar is wonderful stuff
[13:08:29] <perry_j1987> have a bit on your salad and then use some to clean stuff up with heh
[13:08:57] <roycroft> anyway, i don't think that a 1.3L ultrasonic cleaner is "too small"
[13:09:10] <roycroft> i use my small one far more often than my large one
[13:09:19] <pink_vampire> also some recommended hydrogen peroxide
[13:09:47] <roycroft> but if you are only going to ever get one, then perhaps stepping up to a 3L unit would make sense
[13:10:03] <roycroft> i would start with the 1.3L and later on get a larger one for larger parts
[13:10:13] <pink_vampire> the 1.3 is square, I think rectangle is better shape
[13:10:40] <roycroft> when i need to clean a bunch of fasteners, which is my most common use, the 1.3L is perfect
[13:11:04] <roycroft> but again, i'm looking at using two different sizes
[13:11:22] <roycroft> a 3L one would probably take longer to heat up than a 1.3L
[13:11:26] <roycroft> so that's something to consider
[13:11:39] <roycroft> i like cleaning at 60-70 degrees
[13:11:59] <pink_vampire> https://www.harborfreight.com
[13:12:11] <roycroft> i have my hot water heater cranked up beyond what is normally recommended, but i have no children at my house, so i don't worry about it
[13:12:32] <roycroft> it's set to 45 degrees, so when i am filling the cleaner afresh it doesn't take too long to get it to the proper temperature
[13:12:33] <pink_vampire> with the 25% you can get it for $60
[13:13:16] <pink_vampire> https://images.harborfreight.com
[13:13:26] <perry_j1987> why rectangle
[13:13:36] <pink_vampire> long parts
[13:13:41] <pink_vampire> like shafts
[13:13:47] <roycroft> but if the cleaner is sitting idle, with the liquid at room temperature, it takes about a half hour for it to heat up to cleaning temp
[13:14:38] <pink_vampire> I just put one glass of boiling water, and it is good to go
[13:14:49] <pink_vampire> anyway you need to add water
[13:14:58] <perry_j1987> works chips wedged into places at all?
[13:15:06] <roycroft> not really
[13:15:22] <roycroft> but a parts washer isn't going to remove them either
[13:15:57] <roycroft> air at 100psi does a decent job though
[13:16:13] <roycroft> make sure you're wearing your safety glasses
[13:16:26] <roycroft> so you don't put your eye out
[13:16:59] <perry_j1987> squinting first doesnt work? :P
[13:17:02] <pink_vampire> if you can remove it with nylon brush, probably the ultrasonic will do it
[13:19:06] <pink_vampire> look at it this way, it will allow you to clean alot of stuff to certain level, but some time you need to put some hand work if you want it very clean
[13:19:41] <pink_vampire> _I'm out_
[13:19:41] <perry_j1987> say you have a bunch of m3 screws 50mm long or so
[13:19:52] <perry_j1987> how much can you pack in there
[13:20:11] <roycroft> experiment
[13:20:18] <pink_vampire> about 2 cups of screws
[13:20:19] <roycroft> all i can say is "pack loosely"
[13:20:36] <pink_vampire> it will move around abit
[13:20:45] <roycroft> if they're packed tightly the ultrasonic cleaning action will still separate the grime from the parts
[13:20:58] <roycroft> but the grime will be trapped between the parts, and will not flush away very well
[13:21:11] <pink_vampire> the more stuff you put the longer it take, but to put it in 2 batches also take 2 times the time
[13:21:14] <roycroft> when you rinse after cleaning most of it will come off
[13:21:25] <perry_j1987> ok
[13:21:25] <roycroft> but if you pack loosely it will be a lot easier
[13:21:41] <roycroft> and again, it's a set and forget operation
[13:21:50] <roycroft> to me it doesn't matter much how long it takes
[13:22:00] <roycroft> i just plan my work flow appropriately
[13:22:13] <pink_vampire> also depends on how much gunk you have on the parts
[13:22:13] <perry_j1987> aye
[13:22:20] <Loetmichel> roycroft: depends a lot on the ultrasonic cleaner
[13:22:23] <roycroft> i always have things to do in the shop - i cannot remember ever standing around waiting for the ultrasonic cleaner to finish its scycle
[13:22:33] <roycroft> i just do other things until i hear it shut off
[13:22:55] <Loetmichel> i have seen industrial ones (60 liters in the stainless steel bucket) that had ~500W transducers below
[13:22:56] <pink_vampire> just get one, and see
[13:23:08] <Loetmichel> it could strip hammerite paint of steel
[13:23:23] <roycroft> loetmichel: that's not hard to do at all :)
[13:23:36] <roycroft> i can almost strip hammerite off steel by staring at it really hard
[13:23:38] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: heat up the house with his ultrasonic
[13:23:43] <Loetmichel> it is. when that hammerite was on there for 50 years ;)
[13:23:53] <roycroft> but my point is still valid
[13:24:06] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: it was a mobile unit meant to clean fuel filters for russian jets
[13:24:15] <pink_vampire> LOL
[13:24:21] <pink_vampire> you are crazy
[13:24:34] <roycroft> if you pack a bunch of hammerite-coated parts tightly to gether in the cleaner, the cleaning solution and ultrasonic action will separate the paint from the parts, but but the paint will have nowhere to go
[13:24:40] <Loetmichel> still had tubes in the transducer exiters... so yes, you could probably heat the house with the system ;)
[13:24:43] <roycroft> so when you pull the parts out they'll still be coated with the paint
[13:24:56] <roycroft> that you will probably be able to rinse off fairly easily
[13:25:07] <roycroft> but if they're not packed tightly together they'll come out a lot cleaner
[13:25:19] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: why am i crazy?
[13:25:24] <pink_vampire> maybe to add an air stone?
[13:25:35] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: in a good way
[13:25:44] <Loetmichel> we bought it with the truck that we converted to an RV
[13:25:56] <Loetmichel> it was an old eastern military truck
[13:26:05] <pink_vampire> I will do the same
[13:26:11] * roycroft needs to head out to the welding shop
[13:26:18] <Loetmichel> with said cleaning/reconditioning station in the box on the back
[13:26:22] <roycroft> i hope to shoot primer on my belt grinder stand yet today
[13:26:34] <pink_vampire> pink_vampire need to change oil in the car
[13:26:39] <roycroft> i'm fitting the wooden sides prior to painting, and i have a bit of that to do yet
[13:26:56] <roycroft> so i can do the machining on the wooden sides while the metal stand is being painted
[13:27:08] <perry_j1987> need to figure up a vice stop for this new vice thats coming tomorrow
[13:27:11] <pink_vampire> see you later
[13:27:23] <perry_j1987> cya
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[13:59:02] <Tom_L> what's that company that makes those fancy dial indicator holders?
[13:59:08] <Tom_L> the arm
[14:00:02] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: something chinese i cant pronounce :-) http://www.cyrom.org
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[14:01:43] <gambakufu> Noga?
[14:04:28] <Tom_L> that would be it, thanks
[14:05:11] <Tom_L> Loetmichel i've got one of those
[14:05:58] <Tom_L> but when it fails i'll likely get the real thing
[14:08:57] <Tom_L> Noga makes so many i wonder which one would be close to that
[14:12:38] <Tom_L> and what the difference between NF DG and MG is
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[14:48:32] <perry_j1987> printing up idea for a vise stop on the 3d printer
[14:48:38] <perry_j1987> looking forward to the vise coming tomorrow heh
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[16:43:27] <net|> https://www.thingiverse.com handle for propane tanks
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[17:16:22] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com pretty interesting
[17:16:28] <XXCoder> anyone with cnc cam do it
[17:17:23] <Deejay> gn8
[17:17:48] <XXCoder> later
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[17:18:09] <jthornton> night
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[17:18:22] <Tom_L> finally a break in the rain
[17:18:29] <Tom_L> but only for a bit
[17:18:29] <XXCoder> raining here
[17:19:36] <XXCoder> jt check out that video
[17:19:47] <jthornton> is it long?
[17:19:54] <XXCoder> extremely micro telsa valve and other stuff.a second
[17:19:55] <Tom_L> yeah you got time to burn...
[17:20:00] <XXCoder> 11 min
[17:20:20] <XXCoder> basically you engrave sheet of plastic by cnc, then bake it it strunks.
[17:20:37] <XXCoder> you fuse another sheet and its now valve or whatever
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[17:22:17] <XXCoder> hey andy
[17:23:42] <jthornton> hmm 2.2GB in the good this late in the month
[17:23:57] <Tom_L> seems a waste not to waste it
[17:24:40] <XXCoder> im pretty sure its same plastic as old toy back then, you draw stuff then bake it, it turns into more detailed small design
[17:24:58] <XXCoder> never had it, it was too expensive lol
[17:27:42] <Tom_L> damn, it must be close to the end of the month. all i got in the mail was bills
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[17:28:43] <XXCoder> lol
[17:28:57] <XXCoder> jthornton: wonder if your region is supported by google fi
[17:29:00] <jthornton> I need to check the mail it was not there when we go home
[17:29:10] <jthornton> what's that?
[17:29:12] <Tom_L> mine has been coming later and later
[17:29:33] <XXCoder> its cellphone project, it uses 3 carriers to get best connection, and interesting data plan
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[17:29:42] <andypugh> XXCoder: You used to be able to shrink crisp packets.
[17:30:00] <XXCoder> first 6 gb is 10 dollars per gb, then unlimited at slower speed for free past that
[17:30:11] <andypugh> But “Shrinkydinks” used to come as freebies in breakfast cereal.
[17:30:18] <XXCoder> base phone and text is $15 a month
[17:30:29] <XXCoder> plus phone itself if you opt to get new one
[17:31:05] <XXCoder> in my case base is $45, reach unlimited and its $105 dollars but never went nowhere near that
[17:31:20] <XXCoder> typival is $50-55 lol
[17:31:56] <jthornton> hmm, saw one of those signs that people do illegal street corner advertising saying the ISP in town now has unlimited data
[17:32:27] <Tom_L> i've got sprint unlimited
[17:32:32] <jthornton> my sat internet is $50 a month
[17:32:34] <XXCoder> comcast here
[17:32:39] <andypugh> XXCoder: Actually has applications on microfuidics. (Or is that what you were talking about before I came in?) https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:32:52] <XXCoder> 1 tb a month, then 10 dollars per 100gb I think
[17:33:03] <XXCoder> andypugh: https://www.youtube.com
[17:33:06] <jthornton> yes we were watching a video on microfluidics
[17:33:15] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[17:33:17] <XXCoder> homebrew microfluids with cnc :)
[17:35:41] <XXCoder> anyway jt was thinking maybe you want cheaper backup when data is low. useful if you can buy cheap compitable phone.
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[17:46:08] <Tom_L> it would be nice if they made fixturing for small cncs https://www.carrlane.com
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[18:26:10] <XXCoder> fancy! https://www.youtube.com
[18:26:21] <XXCoder> microhouse done in lunar lander style
[18:40:01] <SpeedEvil> Now make the legs articulate and you've got something.
[18:40:20] <XXCoder> lol
[18:40:29] <XXCoder> looks like cant as its off floor
[18:40:39] <XXCoder> isulated door is brilliant
[18:40:50] <XXCoder> with such a small house isulation is pretty imporant.
[18:45:29] <jdh> lotta water in .mo.us
[18:47:07] <jdh> my sunday ride looks flooded out
[18:50:04] <jthornton> where at?
[18:50:39] <XXCoder> typical washington infinity rain here
[18:50:44] <XXCoder> not heavy rain but never stops
[18:51:40] <jthornton> we don't have any rain till Wednesday, I'll try and see if I can get the heavy equipment in place to drop the dead white oak Tuesday...
[18:51:57] <XXCoder> plan to cut and dry that?
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[18:55:05] <jdh> jthornton: katy trail in rocheport
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[19:06:24] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: A fulkl on Baba-Yaga house on Chicken feet would be so cool!
[19:06:52] <SpeedEvil> Would it lay eggs?
[19:07:58] <jthornton> jdh: how long is that trail?
[19:08:38] <andypugh> https://www.google.com
[19:08:48] <jdh> 300miles?
[19:08:52] <andypugh> Surprisingly, it does not seem to have been done
[19:09:18] <jdh> but not much near I-70
[19:09:36] <Tom_L> jdh, want some more water? i've got plenty to share
[19:09:54] <XXCoder> andypugh: dunno may change mind if you go fish and go back to empty lot. ;)
[19:09:56] <jthornton> dang that's a long trail
[19:10:12] <jthornton> yea the Missouri river is pretty high
[19:10:14] <jdh> I'll pass on the water
[19:10:53] <jthornton> yea north of jeff city roads closed
[19:11:03] <jthornton> we have a small 26 mile trail here
[19:11:24] <Tom_L> wouldn't surprise me if I35 closes again
[19:11:29] <jdh> heading to west side near KC
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[19:13:24] <Tom_L> jdh is that the one near Emporia you were going to?
[19:13:59] <jdh> eventually
[19:14:26] <jdh> race is saturday
[19:14:28] <jthornton> good grief you can ride from St Louis to Kansas City on the Katy trail
[19:14:46] <Tom_L> heh
[19:15:02] <jdh> yeah, someday I will
[19:15:05] <XXCoder> there should be trail here also, canada to mexico
[19:15:20] <XXCoder> not sure if it extends into those countries
[19:15:28] <jthornton> jdh: mountain bike?
[19:16:10] <jdh> gravel road bike
[19:16:28] <jthornton> road bike with bigger tires?
[19:16:45] <jdh> yeah. 40mm
[19:17:24] <jthornton> my buddy and his wife are preparing a couple of bikes like that to do some ride
[19:17:34] <andypugh> I have a small pile of Ultegra and Chorus stuff bulding up behind me. Frame is on its way from China, wheels from no-idea-where.
[19:18:19] <andypugh> Going to be a strongly road-oriented gravel bike.
[19:18:51] <jthornton> interesting
[19:18:59] <jdh> chorus + ultegra is odd
[19:19:09] <andypugh> (I had to have a Campag crankset, the Mega-Torque is just such a cool use of a Hirth joint.
[19:19:14] * jthornton has no clue what that is...
[19:21:03] <jdh> never heard of mega
[19:22:50] <andypugh> I did consider getting some carbon undrilled rims and spoking them like the old WH-R540 Shimano wheels (best look ever, I reckon) but I am pretty sure they wouldn’t work with discs, even if I made my own hubs.
[19:22:58] <andypugh> https://images.app.goo.gl
[19:23:55] <jdh> no radial lace with disc
[19:24:12] <andypugh> jdh: Quite
[19:24:34] <andypugh> And you are right, Ultra-torque, not mega. I think that there was a Mega
[19:25:22] <andypugh> Interesting that Shimano put the tangent spokes on the rear on the non-drive side
[19:25:29] <jdh> don't know that one either. never done campy
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[19:27:10] <andypugh> jdh: https://youtu.be
[19:27:54] <andypugh> (10 seconds tells you all you need, the rest is sales fluff)
[19:29:29] <jdh> looks cool
[19:30:16] <andypugh> I like the mechanical cleverness. Cyclists may be less convinced, but I am more in to the tech than the sweat ;-)
[19:31:01] <jdh> works for me
[19:31:09] <andypugh> I am not a serious cyclist, I just cycle to work. That said, nobody has _ever_ overtaken me. I don’t hang about.
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[19:31:48] <XXCoder> i need to fix my bicycle so I can ride again
[19:32:05] <jdh> I'd be dead riding to work
[19:32:17] <andypugh> No, just buy a new realy cool and expensive one. Far more satisfying.
[19:32:50] <Tom_L> are the frames Ti or carbon?
[19:33:02] <jdh> I'm a serious but slow cyclist
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[19:33:49] <XXCoder> lol
[19:33:50] <andypugh> jdh: I always make a point of living within walking distance of work, so cycling is relatively easy. It’s currently 7 miles. When it was 14 miles I didn’t bother cycling. (Yes, I do have a fairly broad definition of “walking distance”
[19:33:55] <jdh> I like Ti
[19:33:59] <XXCoder> my work is bit far for cycling too
[19:34:06] <XXCoder> 13 miles or so
[19:34:52] <jdh> mine is an unsafe 18
[19:34:57] <andypugh> I decided that when I was 14 miles away that there was a decent route, and cycling _to_ work would be fine. But I would probably never want to leave....
[19:35:47] <XXCoder> no direct road access here too.
[19:36:04] <XXCoder> sr-16, i-5 then levee road
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[19:37:04] <jdh> 4700 miles this year. commuting would cut into that
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[21:22:35] <_unreal_> Sweet, my two depth touch probes showed up.
[21:23:02] <_unreal_> not sure if I should set them up with a heat phone connector or JST?
[21:23:12] <_unreal_> any suggestions?
[21:26:12] <elmo40> whatever is lying around? ;-)
[21:56:11] <andypugh> _unreal_: I use Lemo 00 for my probes. But I used to use a headphone jack.
[21:56:54] <andypugh> And the jack worked fine. And might, possibly, pull out if you were to start the spindle with the probe mounted.
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[22:07:12] <_unreal_> lemo 00?
[22:07:14] <_unreal_> got alink?
[22:07:57] <Rab> https://www.lemo.com
[22:08:58] <andypugh> I have a bunch of the 2 pin ones, though the coax (as shown there) would work too. I also have a lot of 4-pin ones, and they have to be the most fiddly thing in the world to solder…
[22:09:00] <_unreal_> andypugh, What I'd like to do is use figure a way to Contact the spindle constantly OR have a servo driven brush to contact the tooling bit..?
[22:09:30] <andypugh> You could use an RC servo.
[22:09:54] <Rab> _unreal_, rather than a brush, maybe a pogo pin?
[22:09:57] <_unreal_> thats what I'm thinking unless I can make constant contact with the spindle
[22:10:05] <XXCoder> andypugh: ya know, didnt think of headphone jack. thats great idea
[22:10:06] <_unreal_> pogo pin?
[22:10:13] <andypugh> But my spindle is BT30, so I don’t need to probe tools, just work.
[22:10:29] <_unreal_> not sure what a BT30 is ether :)
[22:11:08] <XXCoder> _unreal_: for convience you may be able toput connector near spindle so theres just short wire leading down from that to tool.
[22:11:23] <XXCoder> much longer wire setup but easy to use at end
[22:11:49] <andypugh> I went to the trouble of putting a home-made magsafe on my first probe, but then I never accidentally turned on the spindle with it in, so with the next probes I didn’t bother. What I did do with that probe is accidentally hit the tool-release…..
[22:11:51] <_unreal_> just got one of these in https://www.aliexpress.com
[22:11:51] <_unreal_> sAbTest=ae803_4
[22:12:26] <_unreal_> OMG they have stupid links
[22:12:56] <jym> https://www.aliexpress.com
[22:13:03] <_unreal_> https://tinyurl.com
[22:13:05] <andypugh> Did I mention that I found 10 Zeiss touch probes in a skip?
[22:13:23] <_unreal_> zeiss and skip?
[22:13:26] <Tom_L> nice
[22:13:33] <jym> __rmaw: any good?
[22:13:40] <jym> _unreal_: any good?
[22:13:50] <_unreal_> the probe? I just took it out of the package
[22:14:01] <_unreal_> seems ok.
[22:14:06] <Tom_L> what thickness is it?
[22:14:11] <_unreal_> um
[22:14:44] <_unreal_> I'd have to go find a tape measure. the base is heavy for its size
[22:14:48] <jym> _unreal_: is it spring loaded?
[22:15:07] <XXCoder> i got one of those unreal
[22:15:09] <_unreal_> no
[22:15:19] <jym> Tom_L: Thickness : 2 cm/0.79"
[22:15:32] <Rab> _unreal_, https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:15:48] <_unreal_> the wire on it will fray I'd say rather quick. I'll likely swap it for silicon wire
[22:16:54] <andypugh> Or, better still, silicone-insulated copper wire.
[22:17:12] <andypugh> (I think silicon wire would be a bit brittle :-)
[22:17:37] <_unreal_> :/ What do you suppose I was talking about andypugh ;)
[22:17:37] <Tom_L> button with a dial: https://www.shars.com
[22:17:52] <Tom_L> a bit more cost
[22:17:54] <_unreal_> silicone insulated wire is whats used on quad copters
[22:18:04] <andypugh> Talking of wiring: I chose today, the hottedt day of the year so far, to re-wire the lights in my spare room. So spent a lot of time very hot in the loft.
[22:18:07] <_unreal_> I have a ton of it
[22:18:28] <Tom_L> good way to sweat off a few lbs
[22:18:50] <_unreal_> andypugh, I'm in south florida
[22:19:58] <andypugh> _unreal_: I went there once. Didn’t suit my constitution. I hate heat.
[22:20:14] <_unreal_> I am not a fan of stupid HOT but I hate winter more
[22:20:24] <andypugh> I am happer at -30C than +30C
[22:20:26] <_unreal_> I spent over 35 years in maine
[22:21:00] <_unreal_> andypugh, spend a winter down here... and you'll question that statement
[22:21:44] <_unreal_> middle of winter down here can get into the 30's maybe once or twice. dead of winter JAN. its ether 40f outside or 70f outside
[22:21:58] <andypugh> I have only been to Florida in September. It was too hot except at 2pm, when there was torrential rain, every day.
[22:22:04] <_unreal_> and 40-65 overnights
[22:22:10] <_unreal_> LOL
[22:22:37] <_unreal_> july. aug. step. are the stupid hot months
[22:22:49] <andypugh> Took down this stupid (single bulb) fan fitting: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[22:23:43] <_unreal_> andypugh, dec. march-june are really nice
[22:23:46] <andypugh> Put of 3 x 18W LED flush fittings: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[22:24:03] <andypugh> (No, I am not a tidy or neat worker)
[22:24:08] <_unreal_> jan feb time frame can be hit or miss if your looking to go water stuff
[22:24:19] <_unreal_> andypugh, I dont trust LED's
[22:24:41] <_unreal_> I've had a FEW burst into flames now
[22:24:57] <andypugh> That would, admittedly, be inconvenient.
[22:25:03] <Tom_L> they certainly don't have the life expectancy they advertise
[22:25:28] <Tom_L> although i like the 4' strips i put in the garage
[22:25:34] <_unreal_> yep same hot are work station :)
[22:25:49] <andypugh> (Do you like my net curtains? Came with the house. I only just noticed them looing at that photo. Normally I look through them.
[22:25:53] <_unreal_> Tom_L, I dont trust bulbs
[22:25:58] <_unreal_> 120v outlet one's
[22:26:36] <Tom_L> andypugh and you've been there how long?
[22:26:50] <andypugh> 12 years?
[22:26:53] <Tom_L> heh
[22:28:09] <andypugh> Right, anyway, I should be in bed, I reckon.
[22:28:20] <Tom_L> holiday weekend
[22:28:25] <XXCoder> any ideas on what to do with this pelter thing
[22:28:27] <Tom_L> well for us anyway
[22:28:35] <andypugh> (I kept the ceiling fan in the bedroom, it’s worth having at least two days per year)
[22:28:37] <XXCoder> it can make hot end quite hot, and cold side cold
[22:29:10] <andypugh> I have a 4 day weekend, as I was working in Germany last bank-holiday.
[22:29:14] <_unreal_> hhe andypugh my ceiling fan is rarely off
[22:29:45] <_unreal_> I guess I"m going to go stuff my face
[22:29:46] <jdh> my ceiling fans have been on for 21 years
[22:30:07] <andypugh> XXCoder: My experience of Peltier devices is that one side ends up a bit above room temp, and the other side ends up a lot above room temp.
[22:30:44] <andypugh> They need a fan and heat-sink on the hot side if you want the cold side to actually be cold.
[22:30:46] <_unreal_> andypugh, poor cooling
[22:31:15] <XXCoder> yeah hot end have quite large heat sink
[22:31:17] <andypugh> And on that note, goodnight.
[22:31:19] <XXCoder> fan attachment also.
[22:31:21] <XXCoder> night
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[22:34:10] <_unreal_> going to finish the last of my scotch :)
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[22:54:01] <_unreal_> wow it got quite
[22:54:41] <XXCoder> everyone quit talking so not surpised quite ;)
[23:04:23] <_unreal_> sigh
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