#linuxcnc | Logs for 2019-09-27

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[01:37:38] <miss0r> Goodmorning.
[01:39:06] <miss0r> This is just one of those days where I wish I had a bridgeport or simular. Last night I started noticing issues with the head of my mill nodding(rotated in the Y-Z plane).. But theres no way to ajust this on my mill. I either need to scrape the mating surfaces of the vertical head & the ram or see if something else is up
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[01:53:30] <Deejay> moin
[02:03:18] <miss0r> morning
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[03:09:47] <Loetmichel> miss0r: like they use to say over in #reprap: your hobby isnt 3dprinting, its 3dprinters ;)
[03:10:05] <Loetmichel> (or in your case: its not milling, its mills) ;)
[03:10:09] <miss0r> hehe
[03:10:18] <miss0r> hobby/livelyhood :)
[03:10:46] <Loetmichel> same thing ;)
[03:10:52] <Loetmichel> (ideally)
[03:12:30] <miss0r> it is...
[03:12:40] <miss0r> I am getting all sorts of off measurements on this mill at the moment.
[03:12:41] <Loetmichel> or as a friend of mine said a few decades ago: you are only a real hobby machinist if you catch yourself making a fixture to hold a part on the mill thats needed to make a part for a bending brake to make a part thats pourpose you have long forgotten ;)
[03:13:00] <miss0r> haha yeah
[03:17:47] * Loetmichel just designed a battery lid for a cable tester and is just printing it. Sometimes a 3dprinter at the company is useful... considering that that cable tester costs a few 100 bucks and isnt fit to use without the lid... (and of course there are no spare parts aviable) ;)
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[03:48:21] <Loetmichel> hihi, sometimes a 3d-printer is really useful... not perfect (measured the length wrong by a mm) but good enough: http://www.cyrom.org
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[04:52:20] <Valen> mmmm gantry squaring home works https://www.youtube.com
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[05:54:29] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:58:46] <jthornton> morning
[07:03:42] <miss0r> ahh. pulling stuff straight off the mill and it is right on size (atleast within 0.01 mm)
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[07:55:31] <jthornton> make any progress on the shaper?
[07:58:37] <XXCoder> yo
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[08:07:46] <miss0r> jthornton: At the moment I am hollowing out the sides of it, to a) allot for screws to be inserted and B) lighten it up a bit.
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[09:00:29] <miss0r> jthornton: This is the status as of now? https://imgur.com
[09:01:46] <miss0r> I have to do the same to the other side, Drill and tap some oil nibbles in there and do a general debur. Then that part is done
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[09:31:28] <miss0r> jthornton: And this is a quick test setup with iso taper, gears & the back bearing mounted temporarily https://imgur.com
[09:33:20] <jthornton> looking good!
[09:40:25] <miss0r> Thanks. Its a damn mess. and I can't wait to be done working on cast iron
[09:40:35] <Elmo40> dusty?
[09:40:50] <miss0r> yeah
[09:40:55] <miss0r> graphite tust
[09:40:57] <miss0r> dust*
[09:41:14] <miss0r> If I sneeze I might break a floor tile
[09:42:15] <miss0r> thats it for the day. Now to be a family man. Later I will be back here for the night work :D
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[09:46:56] <jthornton> see you later
[09:48:15] <Loetmichel> miss0r: ah, reminds me of old times in the model shop... you could tell by the colour of the sneeze in the evening if i had milled FR4 or carbon fibre boards all day :-)
[10:00:43] <Elmo40> i used to work in an iron foundry. we cut sprues from the moulds.
[10:00:49] <Elmo40> lots-o-graphite!
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[10:15:38] <Loetmichel> Elmo40_ i once got a PC from a foundry
[10:16:06] <Loetmichel> "CRT is way to dark and system is acting up occasionally"
[10:16:35] <Loetmichel> thoght: wow, fancy anthracite casing (PCs back then were usually beige)
[10:16:53] <Loetmichel> ... opened the CPU box: full to the brim with slag.
[10:17:14] <Loetmichel> cleaned it out, replaced the fans because they stalled and burned out: works again.
[10:17:33] <Loetmichel> then went on to clean the outside: "ah, it actually WAS beige!"
[10:17:55] <Loetmichel> ... and the CRT wasnt dead either, just so dirty that no light came thru the glass ;)
[10:50:57] <Valen> Thought I had fried a channel of my 7i76 with ESD, turns out they work better with the plug in all the way
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[11:06:20] <Valen> I seem to recall a setup that would let you jog off a limit switch but only jog in the off limit switch direction. at present once you hit override limit you can jog in any direction (further into the limit say)
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[11:10:23] <Valen> Does such a thing exist or am I remembering things I want rather than things that are?
[11:12:29] <Loetmichel> *MUHAHAHAHA* coworker just wanted to bend an prenotched U-bracket 30cm*20cm*20cm made of 3mm alu in the bending brake... turned out to small because the bending brake slipped... $me: "give the second blank please"... took it, put the prenotch "bends" on the corner of the desk, uilized a bit of body weight: two perfect 90° angles... and fits perfect... his look at me... priceless ;)
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[11:31:41] <tommylight> ???
[11:32:02] <tommylight> YAY registered finaly !
[11:35:57] <tommylight> all asleep ?
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[11:56:33] <jthornton> cutting firewood...
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[12:05:11] <drdoc> Loetmichel: I used to transcribe obsolete computer media on the side
[12:06:05] <drdoc> I got a set of 8" floppies in... 2005? that were the boot & program disks for a crankshaft balancer
[12:06:39] <CaptTactful> hello world?
[12:06:40] <drdoc> that computer had been sitting in an auto shop for nearly 20 years
[12:07:20] <drdoc> CaptTactful: it was a menu-driven CNC program
[12:08:08] <drdoc> anyhow, those flopy disks had started throwing errors, so they asked me to make copies
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[12:09:03] <drdoc> I ended up flying out to Alabama to do it, because I refused to put them in my drives
[12:09:37] <drdoc> Pretty sure the errors were due to the oil and coolant soaking through the jacket
[12:10:37] <CaptTactful> hi drdoc
[12:11:04] <CaptTactful> may i ask you a stepconfig question?
[12:11:58] <drdoc> you may, but I'm a complete noob
[12:12:48] <drdoc> I know a little about CNC from wotking in machine shops, and a little about steppers from running a 3D printer
[12:13:06] <drdoc> and obviously, nothing at all about typing.
[12:13:45] <drdoc> but I've never run a mill with steppers
[12:16:06] <CaptTactful> thank you. I am tweaking my config file for lcnc.
[12:16:19] <CaptTactful> i have .9Deg motors
[12:16:50] <drdoc> nice
[12:16:53] <CaptTactful> which is 400 steps per rev
[12:17:02] <drdoc> right
[12:17:09] <CaptTactful> microstepping field is set at 8
[12:17:23] <CaptTactful> which it should b
[12:17:25] <CaptTactful> i think
[12:17:42] <drdoc> well, you're running lead screws?
[12:17:43] <CaptTactful> but, getting double the travel at least
[12:17:51] <CaptTactful> neg. belts
[12:17:57] <drdoc> 1:1?
[12:18:08] <CaptTactful> yes
[12:18:33] <drdoc> so, 3200 steps per rev
[12:19:06] <CaptTactful> not 2224?
[12:19:13] <CaptTactful> 1.8Deg is 1112
[12:19:40] <gregcnc> http://linuxcnc.org
[12:19:53] <CaptTactful> at least, thats what documentation tells me.
[12:19:58] <gregcnc> at the bottom
[12:20:19] <CaptTactful> But, I have an extremely difficult time pulling info from docs.
[12:20:26] <CaptTactful> ok.
[12:20:29] <CaptTactful> ill try
[12:21:16] <gregcnc> what is scale in in stepconf?
[12:21:25] <CaptTactful> inches
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[12:21:48] <gregcnc> axis scale in step/in
[12:21:55] <drdoc> it's 360/.9, times the uStep setting, then divide that by the tooth count * pitch of the drive pulley
[12:22:41] <CaptTactful> dang. i dont have pulley access on this machine. zenbot 1624
[12:22:55] <drdoc> ah
[12:23:33] <CaptTactful> so, 360Degs / .9 = 400 spr
[12:24:05] <CaptTactful> then 400 spr x microstepps?
[12:24:09] <drdoc> well, the docs ought to tell you steps per inch or steps per millimeter, at a given microstep setting
[12:24:56] <drdoc> yes, 400 full steps * microstep
[12:25:06] <CaptTactful> evrything they have now is 1.8Deg motors
[12:25:17] <CaptTactful> so docs r for that
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[12:25:39] <drdoc> the number will just double for .9deg
[12:26:54] <drdoc> lead screw calculation is a lot easier to visualize than belts
[12:27:22] <CaptTactful> excerpt from manual regarding .9Deg motors: The manual for the Zenbot 1216 states that "the drive pulley diameter on this machine is .458 inches. The circumference of the drive pulley is 1.439. This means that the motor rotates .695 turns per inch (1/1.439). The stepper motors on this machine are .9 degree per step motor, which means that there are 400 steps per revolution. Now you just need to know the micro-step settings on
[12:27:22] <CaptTactful> your drivers. The formula for calculating the steps per inch is .695 x 400 x micro-steps/step. For a 1/8 micro-step driver, the formula would be .695 x 400 x 8 = 2224 steps per inch."
[12:28:01] <drdoc> there you go
[12:28:30] <CaptTactful> is the problem that i have a 1:1 microstepping instead of 1:8?
[12:28:45] <drdoc> could be
[12:29:24] <gregcnc> math doesn't lie. but the numbers have to be correct
[12:29:33] <drdoc> that
[12:30:00] <CaptTactful> .9Deg into 360 is 400 steps per rev.
[12:30:03] <drdoc> if the driver's set to 1:1 and the program's set to 1:8, you'll be moving 8 inches instead of the intended 1
[12:30:23] <CaptTactful> 400 x 8 microsteps is 3200
[12:30:42] <CaptTactful> 3200x.695 = 2224 totalsteps
[12:30:50] <drdoc> CaptTactful: yup
[12:30:57] <CaptTactful> not moving 8 inches though
[12:31:04] <gregcnc> verify pulley ratio
[12:31:13] <CaptTactful> approx 1 inch for each 1/2 inch run command
[12:31:16] <drdoc> IF your stepper drivers are really set to 1:8 microsteps
[12:31:25] <gregcnc> are you certain the motors are 0.9°?
[12:31:39] <CaptTactful> spoke to Shaun at Zenbot
[12:31:52] <gregcnc> sure, but what's in the machine?
[12:31:54] <CaptTactful> he remembered the .9 Deg motors
[12:32:13] <CaptTactful> the labels say this as well
[12:32:20] <gregcnc> ok
[12:32:30] <gregcnc> plenty of butchered machines out there
[12:32:33] <drdoc> do you have jog controls?
[12:32:41] <drdoc> active, I mean
[12:33:30] <drdoc> If I'm not sure of my settings, I print/cut a square as big as my build envelope allows
[12:33:41] <CaptTactful> i believe so. when the program is running or test run inside config setup?
[12:33:51] <drdoc> either
[12:34:18] <CaptTactful> noticed the issue when doing an axis test run inside satep configuration
[12:34:35] <drdoc> I have a .nc that grooves a 14x14 square on my waste board
[12:35:01] <drdoc> that lets me check scale and square
[12:35:29] <CaptTactful> yup. tried it again.
[12:35:36] <drdoc> if I were having the problem you are, I'd program 7x7
[12:35:38] <drdoc> :-)
[12:35:44] <CaptTactful> moves about 1 in when commanded 1/2in
[12:35:53] <CaptTactful> 7x7?
[12:36:14] <drdoc> My machine has 15" of X and Y
[12:36:41] <drdoc> if it's moving 2 to one and I programed to cut a 14" square, I'll hit the stops
[12:36:59] <gregcnc> count pulley teeth, measure lead screw pitch, you can't go wrong
[12:37:16] <drdoc> gregcnc: it sounds like that's a V-belt
[12:37:42] <gregcnc> is that a joke?
[12:37:45] <drdoc> no
[12:38:27] <CaptTactful> v-belt like afor a pully?
[12:38:39] <CaptTactful> i have flat multi tooth belts
[12:38:45] <drdoc> if it were a toothed pulley, wouldn't the docs give tooth count & pitch instead of circumference?
[12:38:46] <gregcnc> timing belts
[12:38:52] <drdoc> OK
[12:39:29] <drdoc> I have no idea exactly how big the timing pulleys are on my 3D printer
[12:39:41] <drdoc> 2mm pitch, 60 teeth, done
[12:39:54] <drdoc> 120mm travel per rev
[12:40:27] <drdoc> anyhow
[12:41:19] <drdoc> when all else fails, I tell the machine to do what I want, in a way that allows accurate measurement of what it actually does
[12:41:55] <CaptTactful> i would like to be as confidant in this as you are. it would probably help alot.
[12:42:13] <CaptTactful> i fear hurting the mill
[12:42:42] <gregcnc> counting and measuring is the answer, those are things you can be confident in
[12:43:09] <drdoc> or, you know
[12:43:17] <CaptTactful> thank you, ill give it another go.
[12:43:19] <drdoc> find the motor label
[12:43:31] <CaptTactful> have it
[12:43:47] <CaptTactful> 57BYGH603-4
[12:43:50] <drdoc> that should give you a definite answer to the step angle
[12:43:54] <CaptTactful> 0.9Deg
[12:43:55] <CaptTactful> 3A
[12:43:57] <drdoc> Ok
[12:44:00] <CaptTactful> 3.6V
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[12:44:21] <drdoc> how do you set the microstep ratio on your drivers?
[12:45:10] <CaptTactful> driver is easy cnc mechatronis 3-axis driver board.
[12:45:18] <CaptTactful> so, factory set for my motors
[12:46:05] <drdoc> meaning you should check that
[12:46:05] <gregcnc> was factory set, maybe
[12:46:27] <CaptTactful> gotcha
[12:46:37] <CaptTactful> trust, but, verify
[12:46:41] <CaptTactful> gotit
[12:46:44] <drdoc> never trust
[12:47:19] <drdoc> I built my printer, and am building my router
[12:47:30] <gregcnc> Ah no lead screw so pulley diameter is relevant
[12:47:51] <drdoc> and even at that, if it doesn't act like it should, I never assume I did any step correctly
[12:48:56] <drdoc> aw, yeah
[12:49:21] <drdoc> I'm trying to get some un-horrible latency numbers on an old Dell
[12:49:38] <drdoc> it's got one of the SMI'd chipsets
[12:49:39] <gregcnc> how old?
[12:50:00] <CaptTactful> im running an older optiplex gx620 with addon parallelports
[12:50:00] <drdoc> Dimension 8400, LGA775 Pentium 4
[12:50:07] <CaptHindsight> CNC machines usually use timing belts so pulley ratios are easy enough, you just count the teeth
[12:50:10] <CaptTactful> works very nice with latency
[12:50:27] <drdoc> CaptHindsight: thank you
[12:50:40] <CaptTactful> yah, i just dont have access to the teeth without dissasembling the machine
[12:50:47] <CaptHindsight> this works as long as you have matching pitch on both the pulleys and belts
[12:50:57] <drdoc> I'm still wondering why the docs give figures based on diameter
[12:51:10] <gregcnc> because it's like an inkjet printer
[12:51:19] <drdoc> ?
[12:51:26] <CaptHindsight> they should match unless some clueless person has had at it
[12:51:45] <drdoc> heh
[12:52:16] <drdoc> If they don't match, it should be very obvious very soon
[12:52:27] <drdoc> shake, rattle & roll
[12:52:31] <CaptHindsight> if you have acess to the docs for the pulleys then you can go by diameter
[12:52:47] <drdoc> yes
[12:53:10] <drdoc> CaptTactful quoted them a bit ago
[12:53:25] <CaptHindsight> measuring the OD of a pulley with odd numbers of teeth can be challenging
[12:53:50] <drdoc> well, and the pitch diameter isn't the OD
[12:54:11] <CaptHindsight> doesn't matter
[12:54:43] <drdoc> that's why I prefer pitch & tooth count
[12:54:52] <drdoc> over diameter
[12:54:57] <JT-Shop> well that's one project done... 999 to go
[12:54:58] <gregcnc> zenobto says 3mm belts
[12:56:45] <drdoc> man, tabbed browsers are a mixed blessing for an ADHD person
[12:57:17] <drdoc> I know I had the SMI module page up, in here somewhere
[12:58:06] <gregcnc> in FF if you start typing smi it will bring up recents and open tabs
[12:58:50] <drdoc> yeah
[12:59:45] <drdoc> unless I shop at smile.amazon.com, and have been watching blacksmith youtubes....
[13:01:37] <gregcnc> i think the pulley are 12T
[13:03:17] <gregcnc> my brain is still so clogged all week long this cold
[13:03:25] <drdoc> Is the 10.04 version what I want on this old P4?
[13:04:05] <drdoc> single-core, ICH6 chipset
[13:08:55] <CaptTactful> ok, Spoke to Zenbot Shaun, He'll send me the proper config file and info.
[13:09:56] <CaptTactful> my dell is an optiplex gx620 with a P4 HT and 4Gb RAM running Wheezy 2.8
[13:10:05] <CaptTactful> and its doing quite nicely overall
[13:10:14] <CaptTactful> latency is great
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[13:11:50] <drdoc> cool
[13:12:12] <CaptTactful> I have I have an OLD Dell D505 laptop which others use and I found it to work well in the past. I upgraded because its easier to utilize pcie slot parallel port additions
[13:12:31] <CaptTactful> so, plenty of inputs for whatever! nice!
[13:12:35] <drdoc> I think yours is basically the same system I'm putting together - an Optiplex 320
[13:12:53] <CaptTactful> my first was an optiplex 320
[13:13:01] <CaptTactful> no issues with it either.
[13:13:21] <drdoc> Our ex-roommate abandoned a bunch of Dells when he moved out
[13:13:25] <CaptTactful> I wonder if its something peculiar to dells as many cncers use dells
[13:13:41] <CaptTactful> he must use Mach3
[13:13:43] <CaptTactful> pity
[13:13:52] <drdoc> an XPS 400, a Dimension 2400, a 3000 and this 8400, and the Optiplex 320
[13:14:18] <drdoc> he used Excel, mostly
[13:14:38] <drdoc> contract sysadmin for a bunch of attorneys
[13:15:01] <drdoc> the Optiplex has a really awful Celeron in it
[13:15:15] <CaptTactful> sorry, bad joke
[13:15:20] <drdoc> I know
[13:15:21] <gregcnc> i have a mchien running an ancient gx150?
[13:15:34] <CaptTactful> I dont think celeron is great for cnc
[13:15:55] <CaptTactful> but then again, its noy processing power needed, its latency, so...
[13:15:59] <drdoc> no, the latency numbers were mid-6 figures
[13:16:26] <CaptTactful> no way! mine eventually moved on to mooring my boat in shallow waters
[13:16:36] <drdoc> oddly enough, of all the systems I have available, the one tht's posting the best numbers is a little Nexcom shoebox
[13:16:54] <CaptTactful> really? never seen a Nexcom
[13:17:25] <drdoc> the box is an EBS1575, but it's easier to find it by the board number
[13:17:31] <drdoc> EBC575
[13:18:02] <drdoc> socket 478 P4, slow-ass DDR RAM, no SATA, and onboard video
[13:18:41] <drdoc> but it's an industrial board and the BIOS seems designed for realtime work
[13:22:28] <CaptTactful> sounds like a work horse
[13:22:54] <CaptTactful> gotta beg off for now guys. Thank you all for your input. Im grateful for it.
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[13:31:24] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com - SpaceX getting ready to lift one half on top of the other.
[13:31:29] <SpeedEvil> 35mup
[13:35:24] <drdoc> yeah, that's all a hoax
[13:35:48] <drdoc> I know a guy who's an absolute Flat-Earther
[13:36:05] <drdoc> talking to him is like taking LSD
[13:39:30] <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't like to be the diudes in the middle
[13:40:27] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the Science channel
[13:41:55] <CaptHindsight> if anything goes wrong here the rocket could come crashing down on the multimillion dollar program
[13:42:45] <SpeedEvil> It is likely the total cost of stuff is in the $20M range
[13:43:08] <CaptHindsight> but if anything goes wrong .....
[13:43:39] <SpeedEvil> They only started making this some 3 months ago
[13:43:53] <CaptHindsight> with nerves of steel the crane operator positions the assembly withing fractions of an inch several feet off the ground
[13:44:26] <SpeedEvil> I assume there are ropes that are invisible
[13:45:31] <CaptHindsight> billy booby joe has done it! the section is in place and the space race can go on another day
[13:46:34] <CaptHindsight> on mistake and the assembly could have been a mess of twisted aluminum foil
[13:46:40] <CaptHindsight> on/one
[13:46:47] <gregcnc> stainless foil?
[13:46:47] <SpeedEvil> stainless foil
[13:47:49] <CaptHindsight> good thing billy bobby joe one had two drinks this morning, another disaster has been averted
[13:48:09] <CaptHindsight> one/only
[13:49:54] <CaptHindsight> huh, it's like the crane operator knew where he had to place that thing
[13:51:52] <CaptHindsight> $10 says it lines up and they bolt it together
[13:55:35] <CaptHindsight> wind 12.75 mph
[13:56:16] <CaptHindsight> if the wind changes speed or direction "the rocket could come crashing down on the multimillion dollar program"
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[14:05:41] <JT-Shop> hmm the 021 is 22 years old today
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[14:10:16] <JT-Shop> so I guess a tune up is in order for the Stihl
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[14:21:20] <Loetmichel> .oO new clickspring video on youtube. $me is in awe and bowing down to the master. MAN that guy is GOOD!
[14:23:53] <drdoc> ooookay
[14:24:38] <drdoc> Dunno that it'll fix the jitter, but I think a copper heatsink will help this thing not lock up.
[14:24:43] <JT-Shop> damn the 021 runs better than new now
[14:25:43] <JT-Shop> only 998 projects left to finish now
[14:26:18] <SpeedEvil> And now they've started welding it
[14:26:44] <CaptHindsight> told you it would line up
[14:27:35] <CaptHindsight> why i have to turn the sound off if watching
[14:29:20] <gregcnc> playing card press? for playing card juice?
[14:31:55] <drdoc> hrrmmm
[14:32:11] <drdoc> I wonder if this PCI modem is a problem
[14:32:14] <drdoc> :-)
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[14:50:28] <miss0r> !seen pink_vampire
[14:50:36] <miss0r> seen pink_vampire
[14:56:41] <rmu> new clickspring video
[14:56:53] <miss0r> watching it at the moment :)
[14:57:01] <rmu> https://www.youtube.com
[14:57:22] <miss0r> I wish I had his patience
[15:00:57] <miss0r> he is just a damn magician!
[15:03:29] <miss0r> the thing is; most of what he is doing could be acomplished with a 5-axis cnc... but "everyone" can do that
[15:07:07] <rmu> most of what he is doing can be accomplished even without a CNC :p
[15:07:51] <miss0r> rephrase: can be done faster & easier
[15:08:08] <miss0r> But he realy has my respect
[15:09:34] <Tom_L> aww hell, any rookie can do that :) just ask em
[15:09:46] <miss0r> yeah hehe
[15:10:11] <miss0r> Tom_L: I added some more photos from todays progress of my project, if you want to see?
[15:10:30] <Tom_L> saw some already i think
[15:10:43] <miss0r> as in; 20 minuts ago? :D
[15:10:43] <Tom_L> milling the side of the block
[15:10:45] <miss0r> https://imgur.com
[15:10:55] <miss0r> yeah - also added a test fitup
[15:12:08] <Tom_L> sry the just don't look as good as Ramsay's
[15:12:08] <miss0r> Can someone tell me what the purpose of a card press is? :D
[15:12:09] <Tom_L> :)
[15:12:18] <miss0r> no - it does not :D
[15:13:14] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: ever try to play poker with crumpled cards?
[15:13:14] <Tom_L> dunno, maybe to keep them flat or to keep humidity out
[15:13:42] <CaptHindsight> why I'm a fan of metal or plastic cards
[15:14:03] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: I've come to the conclusion that I loose either way - crumbled or not
[15:14:28] <CaptHindsight> could have more uses....
[15:14:35] <CaptHindsight> pasta press
[15:14:51] <CaptHindsight> cash press
[15:15:12] <CaptHindsight> salami press etc
[15:15:33] <Tom_L> for bent cards
[15:15:45] <miss0r> Tom_L: Next time I'll build the gearbox from polished brass to get your approval ;D
[15:15:55] <Tom_L> mkay
[15:16:01] <Tom_L> but it better shine!
[15:16:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.theory11.com
[15:16:36] <miss0r> meh... I'm probably better off making stuff from cast iron. That way I can always blame shitty surface finish on the quality of the cast :D
[15:17:09] <Loetmichel> miss0r: you think a bad quality cast will stop clickspring?
[15:17:14] <Loetmichel> i doubt it ;)
[15:17:52] <miss0r> not clickspring, no. He will just spend three days filing it untill it looks like solid gold. I'm talking about me, a mere mortal
[15:17:57] <CaptHindsight> playing card arbor press!
[15:18:13] <gregcnc> playing card extrusion press
[15:18:40] <Loetmichel> miss0r: indeed ,)
[15:20:33] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i sat on my old 1961 truck with a rotating flapper disk in one hand and the MIG welder in the other and repaired the holes in the body... so i know a bit like he feels when he is done... but i must say that i would run out of patience fast with that engraving there in the vid
[15:20:49] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be
[15:22:41] <miss0r> Loetmichel: Yeah. I build a 1972 land rover chassis from scratch. Started as a flat sheet I cut with a jigsaw & welded into shape. I know the feeling :) I'm just not up for that stuff anymore
[15:22:59] <Loetmichel> same
[15:23:21] <miss0r> I think I spend over a year worth of weekends doing that thing
[15:23:27] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be
[15:23:36] <miss0r> the car sits in my driveway now - I still love it :D
[15:24:33] <miss0r> and even with the quite rising pricetag on the old lady, I would never sell it. And if I did I would come out having worked for 12cent/hour
[15:25:13] <Loetmichel> yeah
[15:25:45] <Loetmichel> the satisfaction to have an old car repaired and painted without the need of a single ounce of putty though...
[15:25:49] <Tom_L> i bet he made coins for the US mint at one time
[15:25:59] <Loetmichel> all welded and ground back into form ;)
[15:26:10] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: probably ;)
[15:28:04] <miss0r> I think he works part time hand engraving silver dollars
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[15:32:59] <CaptHindsight> people never value the time spent restoring a car
[15:33:25] <Tom_L> some do
[15:34:09] <CaptHindsight> the person that did the restoration
[15:35:00] <CaptHindsight> was watching a recent classic car auction, i was shocked by how low they were going for
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[15:37:29] <t4nk-freenode> 'the person Who', not the person that.
[15:40:58] <gregcnc> discribe' please?
[15:40:58] <jthornton> classssss
[15:41:56] <CaptHindsight> grammar police have arrived
[15:42:12] <CaptHindsight> what grade school did you teach?
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[15:43:34] <t4nk-freenode> you never answered me when I asked about your experience with encoder output, CaptHindsight, perhaps it will ring a (school) bell
[15:44:01] <CaptHindsight> you never paid for support
[15:44:13] <t4nk-freenode> I never asked for it from you
[15:44:38] <CaptHindsight> plus it would take to long to get any useful info from you to provide an answer
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[15:44:50] <t4nk-freenode> 'too', not to
[15:44:56] <CaptHindsight> see
[15:45:31] <miss0r> o_0
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[15:46:18] <miss0r> on the support subject: What oil would you guys recommend I use to rust protect the cast iron slab here?
[15:46:40] <CaptHindsight> something that sticks vs runs off
[15:46:57] <miss0r> sure - but I wouldn't want to end up with a sticky surface
[15:46:57] <Tom_L> i put vactra 2 on my vise
[15:47:20] <CaptHindsight> non sticky oil?
[15:47:39] <miss0r> Normally I use some rocol ultraglide X5 (the same stuff I use for my linear ways ect.) then wipe most of it off again
[15:47:53] <CaptHindsight> machined surface?
[15:48:04] <miss0r> But I seem to recall seeing some sort of protective oil at some point to seep into pores ect
[15:48:05] <miss0r> yeah
[15:48:11] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: ^
[15:48:56] <CaptHindsight> anything is better than nothing
[15:49:24] <miss0r> true.
[15:49:47] <CaptHindsight> will it be getting wet?
[15:49:56] <CaptHindsight> besides humidity
[15:51:04] <miss0r> hmm... perhaps the occational flood coolant splash
[15:51:12] <miss0r> but not realy wet per say
[15:53:20] <CaptHindsight> if you are not going to paint it
[15:53:58] <miss0r> I wasn't planning on it, no
[15:54:24] <miss0r> https://imgur.com
[15:54:29] <miss0r> I feel the same way for paint :P
[15:54:30] <gregcnc> I like the waxy types for long term. boeshield t9, LPS -3 must be somethign similar over there
[15:54:58] <miss0r> yeah. I have a bucket of waxoil
[15:55:12] <miss0r> I was hoping for something that would sorta seep in :)
[15:55:33] <miss0r> Firing up the mill to make the second slot in the side. be back later
[15:55:37] <CaptHindsight> heat it
[15:55:59] <CaptHindsight> it should be barrier for oxygen
[15:56:47] <gregcnc> check out this drilling op https://www.instagram.com
[15:56:56] <gregcnc> volume down
[15:57:36] <CaptHindsight> the lower the viscosity the quicker it will run down the vertical surfaces, leaving a thinner barrier
[15:57:57] <CaptHindsight> so like gregcnc said, wax vs oil
[15:58:14] <CaptHindsight> higher viscosity vs lower, but anything is better than nothing
[15:59:45] <miss0r> I guess its a tradeoff of not being too dirty when touching it vs having it rust
[15:59:51] <miss0r> (I keep my machinery clean)
[16:00:18] <miss0r> as in: you don't get dirty hands operating it... UNLESS I AM WORKING ON CAST IRON! THEN ALL IS DIRTY NOTHING IS CLEAN !
[16:01:06] <CaptHindsight> I picked up a lathe a few years ago that was stored for 20+ years
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[16:01:17] <CaptHindsight> it was coated in wax before they stored it
[16:01:24] <CaptHindsight> no visible rust
[16:02:01] <miss0r> alot of cleaning to get it in shop worthy condition?
[16:02:51] <CaptHindsight> no just a wipe down with solvent
[16:03:39] <gregcnc> solvent and non abrasive scotchbrite pad is awesome
[16:06:10] <CaptHindsight> https://i.imgur.com the chuck was not coated
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[16:10:04] <CaptHindsight> the motor burned out but the hydraulic speed adjustment just needed bleeding
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[16:39:08] <drdoc> I have a relative who made a cash press
[16:39:34] <drdoc> the Treasury was Not Amused
[16:40:09] <drdoc> OK, realtime setup and latency questions:
[16:40:47] <drdoc> is it normal to get a big spike, like 40uSec, in the base thread when you start the latency test?
[16:41:10] <CaptHindsight> yes
[16:41:17] <Elmo40> sure
[16:41:24] <CaptHindsight> restart and abuse it
[16:41:25] <Elmo40> just dont get any more spikes...
[16:41:38] <CaptHindsight> run FF and a youtube
[16:42:31] <Elmo40> and play Super Tux Kart ;-)
[16:42:46] <CaptHindsight> it's just coincidence but we noticed that the latency is worst the first time it is run, even after reboots, the very first run is usually the worst
[16:43:22] <CaptHindsight> other spikes have been a few uS every day or so
[16:43:39] <Elmo40> might be writing to a new file in the beginning? hdd write/read speeds might distort the outcome
[16:43:47] <CaptHindsight> so 24hrs of testing ~15uS, after 7 days ~30uS
[16:43:48] <drdoc> I do get a big spike, from 8-9 uSec to 35 or so, about every 6-8 minutes
[16:44:29] <CaptHindsight> all power management killed in BIOS?
[16:44:47] <drdoc> IHNI what that is. Single-core proc, no HT, all the PM I *can* kill is kilt
[16:45:05] <CaptHindsight> ah single core
[16:45:07] <drdoc> plus the plethora of Ubuntu PM daemons are disabled
[16:45:45] <drdoc> the 2 last possible gremlins are the ATI X300 card and the onboard Broadcom NIC
[16:46:20] <CaptHindsight> well BIOSes are generally broken
[16:46:25] <drdoc> the only other video cards I have are either NVidia or <32MB
[16:46:59] <CaptHindsight> but you only have one core for RT and userland
[16:47:05] <drdoc> have the rtai_smi module loading, which helped a ton, as did setting cstate and polling in GRUB
[16:47:13] <drdoc> yeah
[16:47:15] <CaptHindsight> we didn't do much work on single core processors and RTAI
[16:47:37] <drdoc> there's an E8500 on the way for the other machine
[16:48:11] <drdoc> that one, Optiplex 320, happened to be one of Tormach's recommended systems, so I'm hopeful
[16:48:36] <Elmo40> drdoc, you didnt use the iso image? you installed the RT kernel and linuxCNC onto *buntu?
[16:48:49] <drdoc> I installed from the livecd
[16:48:51] <CaptHindsight> try idle=poll
[16:48:59] <drdoc> I did
[16:49:01] <CaptHindsight> see if it's gets better or worse
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[16:49:25] <Elmo40> single core??? why mess with that?
[16:49:29] <Elmo40> how much RAM?
[16:51:11] <drdoc> Elmo40: mostly to figure out how the RT hal works
[16:51:13] <drdoc> 4GB
[16:51:17] <CaptHindsight> drdoc: the old Wheezy ISO or the Stretch?
[16:51:28] <drdoc> ummm, 10.04
[16:51:39] <drdoc> which was the next question
[16:52:16] <Elmo40> i was just reading on the website that 2.8 supports gantry dual motor homing. doesnt current stable support that?
[16:52:20] <drdoc> once I turned off all the excess crap, that P4 is running 10.04 pretty briskly
[16:52:40] <drdoc> would the Wheezy build be better?
[16:52:44] <CaptHindsight> try the Stretch ISO, different kernel and different RTAI branch
[16:53:12] <drdoc> that's the userland realtime?
[16:54:13] <CaptHindsight> sorry i forget
[16:54:25] <ve7it> I still run my lathe/mill on 10.04... its on an old 800Mhz PIII, works just great... it was running Ubuntu 8 before the upgrade to 10 and the latency graphs were even better.
[16:54:34] <CaptHindsight> we develop RTAI here and I forget what the LCNC devs use
[16:54:39] <drdoc> heh
[16:54:47] <drdoc> the download page sez yes
[16:54:53] <CaptHindsight> I have RTAI on wheezy, Stretch and Sid
[16:54:58] <drdoc> Stretch is uspace
[16:55:34] <drdoc> ok, one last question, that I'm embarassed to even ask
[16:55:50] <drdoc> are those $8 chinese breakout boards any good?
[16:56:05] <CaptHindsight> yes and no
[16:56:15] <drdoc> it's probably already obvious I'm doing this on the cheap
[16:56:17] <CaptHindsight> some use really slow optos
[16:56:25] <drdoc> the 817?
[16:56:30] <CaptHindsight> i have several
[16:56:41] <CaptHindsight> some chinese clone opto
[16:56:46] <drdoc> ah
[16:56:59] <CaptHindsight> so some had limited step rates
[16:57:12] <drdoc> I use the Vishay 817 variant for power supply switching
[16:57:48] <drdoc> they aren't as fast as the 6n series, but they do ok
[16:58:01] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[16:58:10] <drdoc> is 5 optocouplers enough?
[16:58:21] <drdoc> that's what most look to have
[16:59:33] <drdoc> ooooh, dev builds
[16:59:45] <CaptHindsight> drdoc: I have a dual core celeron board that is faster on preempt_rt than with RTAI
[17:00:02] <drdoc> that's nice to know
[17:00:09] <CaptHindsight> so your older hardware might be similar
[17:00:34] <CaptHindsight> the latest RTAI is faster on Intel than AMD
[17:00:46] <drdoc> I have a supermicro D510 mini-ITX board that's giving *really* disappointing numbers with Wheezy
[17:01:33] <drdoc> it doesn't have slots for discrete video and a parallel card, so it's academic
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[17:01:54] <CaptHindsight> it also varies from kernel to kernel
[17:01:59] <drdoc> anyway, the breakout boards
[17:03:07] <drdoc> are there things to look for/avoid?
[17:03:43] <drdoc> a couple hundred bucks for interface gear isn't going to happen for a while
[17:06:31] <drdoc> ve7it: I actually have a PIII 800, but it's pre-DDR DIMMs and I could buy a whole C2D mb set for the price of RAM
[17:06:45] <sync> or just get something current
[17:07:03] <drdoc> sync: all this is existing hardware
[17:07:25] <drdoc> so far total layout has been $5 for a processor
[17:07:58] <drdoc> but yes, I'd like to run something that doesn't heat the house
[17:09:29] <sync> get something with dual ethernet
[17:10:00] <drdoc> oh?
[17:10:11] <drdoc> oh, for a breakout?
[17:10:18] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:11:08] <drdoc> are there schematics for the various breakout boards?
[17:15:39] <drdoc> I found Probotix' docs, and a dozen "I haven't actually built this but here's a better parallel breakout design" projects
[17:20:51] <sync> they are all the same more or less for LPT
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[17:29:04] <miss0r> finally - other side of block done
[17:29:19] <miss0r> Now I just need to drill in an oil nipple & ream two holes.
[17:38:17] <sync> andypugh: I was really suprised with the condition of my engine
[17:38:20] <sync> after 320Mm
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[17:38:58] <sync> very clean and you can't see the typical wear marks on the cam where maximum pressure happens
[17:39:08] <sync> or on the end of the pistons stroke
[17:39:15] <sync> and the cams are hollow :D
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[17:57:12] <SpeedEvil> sync: Oil is awesome
[17:57:20] <SpeedEvil> (and proper bearing design)
[17:57:28] <sync> yes, but that just means that I'm not making enough Nm/cyl
[17:59:26] <sync> I guess I'll have to knock the DPF out to relieve some temperature
[17:59:38] <sync> although I'm also really suprised how well it still looks
[18:00:40] <Wolf__> thats something I need to do to my vw
[18:01:47] <miss0r> gah. Finally finished with the first major component of this build.
[18:02:24] <miss0r> also: What is wrong with me for getting a hand reamer!
[18:02:45] <miss0r> it is impossible to get a tolerance to fit inside a narrow blind hole with that thing :D
[18:03:59] <sync> oh wow, VW is making below 100Nm/cyl on their 2.0TDIs
[18:04:09] <sync> no wonder their air pumps are slow on the bahn
[18:08:36] <Wolf__> @ crank output?
[18:09:08] <Wolf__> I just looked up, stock is 305Nm =/
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[18:10:58] <andypugh> I am astonished how difficult it seems to be to find somewhere that is open on a saturday round gere that can sell me some Petrobond casting sand!
[18:11:01] <Wolf__> looks like with a stage 2 tune/delete my 2.0L CR would be putting out 439-451Nm
[18:11:13] <andypugh> Please don’t
[18:12:05] <andypugh> Just get something that makes more power _and_ meets the emissions regs.
[18:14:52] <Wolf__> total cost of the tune +dsg tune + delete kit isnt really worth it to
[18:14:58] <Wolf__> me to do
[18:16:46] <sync> andypugh: the problem is that the stock tune on those air pumps just doesn't do it
[18:19:56] <Wolf__> oh, that I didnt know, malone stage 2 tune will work with emissions intact
[18:20:20] <sync> well, you will not hit the NOx target
[18:20:31] <sync> it just won't haze visibly
[18:22:56] <Wolf__> so, like it did before the recall ecu flash? lol
[18:23:43] <sync> it did hit the NOx target in the testcycle
[18:24:45] <sync> https://pbs.twimg.com
[18:24:49] <sync> that's the one you need
[18:25:10] <Wolf__> lol
[18:26:17] <sync> that turns all the DPF functionality off in an EDC17
[18:27:24] <sync> turning off EGR has a _significant_ effect on NOx output
[18:27:37] <Wolf__> mine is a 2015 MK7 sportwagen, I dont know the ECU stuff that much
[18:27:46] <sync> the difference between rene_devs tune and mine is quite big
[18:30:01] <Wolf__> lifetime average for my car is 37mpg-7.6L/100k with 107 fill ups lol
[18:30:41] <sync> oh, that is quite bad
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[18:31:59] <Wolf__> I’ve seen 42.6mpg/6.63L/100k but that was pure highway road trip driving
[18:32:05] <sync> I'm running ~8.1l/100km with 98.4kmh avg
[18:34:14] <sync> oh of course you get the USDM engine...
[18:34:28] <Wolf__> yep
[18:35:31] <Wolf__> could be worse, my truck gets like 21.7L/100K lol
[18:35:46] <Wolf__> er 100km
[18:36:34] <sync> well, then you have even smaller injectors
[18:37:03] <sync> the 2.0tdi is running quite close to what the nozzles can flow
[18:37:16] <jthornton> my truck gets 16 MPG downhill...
[18:40:23] <XXCoder> lol my bro truck gets 16 mpg if we turn engine off and push it ;)
[18:40:29] <XXCoder> normally like 8 mpg?
[18:41:27] <jthornton> geez what kind of truck is that?
[18:41:47] <jthornton> mine is a 02 chevy z71 4 wheel drive 5.3l IIRC
[18:42:26] <XXCoder> forgot its late 1940s? ford truck
[18:42:55] <Wolf__> thats kinda bad, my dad’s ’12 F350 6.7 was getting 18mpg+ when I was driving it
[18:44:38] <jthornton> yea mileage on trucks has been getting better since I got mine in 01
[18:44:56] <XXCoder> i dont plan to own a truck
[18:44:59] <jthornton> got a random miss now to try and find in the truck
[18:45:44] <Wolf__> on the other hand, I used my mom’s prius and it was getting 30mpg w/ me driving it lol
[18:45:49] <jthornton> if you don't need one...
[18:46:13] <jthornton> I thought a prius got better mileage than that
[18:46:28] <Wolf__> not at 80mph all highway driving
[18:46:45] <XXCoder> 30 mph here, but will improve now that its been fixed on recalls
[18:46:52] <XXCoder> ford focus 2012
[18:47:16] <XXCoder> morons in disel trucks dont know cars, few of em coal rolled me lol
[18:47:31] <XXCoder> very rare here but it happens
[18:48:10] <jthornton> coal rolled?
[18:48:50] <XXCoder> yeah some diesel truck owners modify their truck to burn badly at command to smoke out prius owners (note my car is not prius!)
[18:48:55] <Wolf__> blowing black clouds of unburnt fuel cause f’kn idiots
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[18:49:51] <_abc_> Hi. Silly question: is it reasonable to polish/reduce the shaft diameter of 2.5mm metric drills/axles to "Dremel" 2.35mm? Using abrasive paper, perhaps in a lathe?
[18:50:14] <_abc_> 0.15 mm down is not going to take too long, I think?
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[18:50:52] <_abc_> I would like to use a 2.5mm shafted tool (engraver) I shaped in a Dremel like collet which does not accept 2.5, too big
[18:50:52] <Wolf__> eh, 2.35mm dremel?
[18:51:14] <_abc_> The shafts are 2.33-2.36 for after market Dremel bits.
[18:51:24] <_abc_> Measured a dozen or so.
[18:52:25] <_abc_> I think 2.34 is the exact dimension of the perversion. Would not be surprized it it is trademarked/patented even. Right up there with certain radius round corners and yellow and black DVM cases.
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[18:53:33] <sync> you can just get a 2.5mm collet
[18:54:27] <_abc_> No I can't, this thing I am trying to use is a Chiense battery operated thing with a plastic collet which does not take 2.5, only 2.34
[18:54:30] <sync> Wolf__: to some degree you can't avoid soot in a purely torque driven diesel application
[18:55:24] <Wolf__> sync: yeah I understand that, get some over-fuel at spool up
[18:56:15] <_abc_> Actually afaik soot can be avoided using Methane in a Diesel engine...
[18:56:38] <_abc_> Also NOx can be avoided by running it on O2 ... Sumbmarines did that at one time (Walther)
[18:56:45] <_abc_> The O2 running Diesel.
[18:57:19] <sync> no, not really Wolf__
[18:57:33] <sync> if you want maximum torque you will get some soot
[18:57:42] <_abc_> So, anyone, is abrasive only "turning down" the shaft 0.07mm feasible?
[18:57:50] <sync> try it
[18:58:22] <_abc_> sync: are you in Europe? Apparenlty not. Around here the soot thing is a nono, so they did get the Diesels to not belch any.
[18:58:46] <_abc_> Takes special instruments to see the soot output in an Euro 4+ vehicle's exhaust.
[18:59:52] <jthornton> XXCoder, that's just dumb
[19:00:03] <XXCoder> exactly
[19:00:33] <XXCoder> its also illegal, so if police see they will arrest
[19:00:50] <XXCoder> i wonder if theres police driving in prius see if they get coal rolled
[19:01:12] <sync> well, an opacimeter is not really specialized
[19:01:27] <_abc_> Hm, unrelated, but interesting https://www.sciencedirect.com
[19:02:12] <_abc_> sync: opacimeter is not going to see that here. There's 2 catalyzers in between and the blue tec urea injector.
[19:02:27] <_abc_> sync: we're talking nanometer particles
[19:04:03] <_abc_> What is needed to abrade HSS? SiC will not work properly? Only diamond?
[19:05:18] <_abc_> CBN is Boron Nitride right? https://www.superabrasivetools.com
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[19:46:08] <_unreal_> If I'm not mistaken the UK banned TEFgel claiming its cancerous. When every review says its non toxic non this non that... LOL
[19:46:29] <XXCoder> review? not research?
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[20:20:16] <elmo40> for building a new rig, AMD or Intel for the CPU?
[20:25:24] <CaptHindsight> been using mostly AMD for the past 20 years
[20:25:49] <elmo40> CaptHindsight, about the convo you were having with drdoc; for a late model computer&hardware (with no par port), which linuxCNC should i be downloading? you mentioned trying the Stretch image but it has an older version of linuxcnc than the wheezy image. and it says a 4.x kernel is made in the wheezy image... i guess i can try each one and see which one gives me best latency numbers?
[20:26:33] <CaptHindsight> the Stretch image lets you choose the LCNC version
[20:26:39] <elmo40> ok
[20:26:58] <CaptHindsight> I installed 2.8 and master a couple months ago
[20:27:41] <CaptHindsight> building a preempt_rt patch is not much work
[20:28:02] <CaptHindsight> anything better than 200K is fine for me since I use Mesa FPGA's
[20:29:10] <CaptHindsight> but we did use some celeron dual cores this summer and preempt_rt and they ran ~28uS
[20:29:58] <CaptHindsight> doesn't JT have a bunch of howtos for building preempt_rt patches and LCNC for lots of distros?
[20:30:34] <CaptHindsight> https://gnipsel.com
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[20:30:51] <CaptHindsight> elmo40: ^^
[20:31:55] <elmo40> not like you need the latest 16-core architecture, i get that. does it even matter if you use anything more than dual-core?
[20:32:23] <CaptHindsight> depends on what else you might be doing
[20:32:28] <elmo40> so many quad-core Intel i5 machines going for cheap
[20:32:32] <CaptHindsight> we use 2 and 4 core cpus
[20:32:44] <CaptHindsight> thats what is available for low cost and works
[20:32:50] <elmo40> true
[20:33:22] <andypugh> The trucks I drive for work can do 47mpg on a run at 75mph on the cruise control. (That’s the 2.0 litre Ranger)
[20:33:35] <elmo40> these are 32 or 64-bit? i have my eye on a machine with 8GB of DDR3 RAM (board can handle 32, though)
[20:33:48] <elmo40> andypugh, diesel?
[20:34:57] <elmo40> if it doesn't have built-in parallel port, do i need to get a pci-par port card?
[20:35:07] <CaptHindsight> elmo40: 64b Ryzen's
[20:35:31] <CaptHindsight> usually 8GB DDR4, never run out of space
[20:36:07] <CaptHindsight> elmo40: we use PCIe --LPT cards that are ~$10 delivered
[20:37:35] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[20:38:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[20:41:01] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amazon.com
[20:41:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[20:42:43] <flyback> <CaptHindsight> been using mostly AMD for the past 20 years
[20:42:46] <flyback> my condolences
[20:43:15] <flyback> didn't have any issues with the cpu's but the 3rd party chipsets were *CANUCKED*
[20:43:30] * flyback drags *.wave.com *.ca in the channel against 3rd party amd chipsets
[20:44:20] <sync> andypugh: I noticed my engine has an assembled camshaft...
[20:44:26] <sync> just spent too long reading about them
[20:44:27] <flyback> twdd
[20:44:29] <sync> now I want to build one
[20:44:29] <flyback> twss
[20:48:36] <CaptHindsight> flyback: go canuck yourself!
[20:49:12] <CaptHindsight> you old canucker
[20:51:04] <flyback> BMCC
[20:51:19] <flyback> BITE MY "CANUCK".............................................CANUCK!
[20:51:27] <CaptHindsight> mother canucker
[20:51:32] <flyback> EH?-HOLE
[20:51:44] <CaptHindsight> so where do you hide these days?
[20:51:59] <CaptHindsight> you've haunted many a channel the past 2 decades
[20:52:10] <flyback> ##SECURITY MOStly the other channel I hang out in I stopped after my friend killed himself twice
[20:52:13] <flyback> 2nd time he won :/
[20:52:14] <CaptHindsight> stuck on the canuck
[20:52:39] <CaptHindsight> is he still dead?
[20:52:49] <flyback> I was starting to enjoy being outside with my drone my folks got me 3 yrs ago
[20:52:54] <flyback> started to get really good at flying it
[20:53:02] <flyback> then it came down hard and bent a shaft :(
[20:53:05] <flyback> $250 canucked up
[20:53:15] <CaptHindsight> when i was a kid we called them RC planes
[20:53:20] <CaptHindsight> helios etc
[20:53:23] <flyback> me too
[20:53:25] <flyback> remember im 45
[20:53:35] <CaptHindsight> drones were Star Trek characters
[20:53:39] <flyback> I was in a big hobby store tonight wow has the shit changed
[20:53:45] <flyback> MECHANICAL SPEED CONTROLS ARE DEAD
[20:53:46] <flyback> YAY
[20:53:53] <flyback> those things sucked so bad
[20:53:58] <flyback> they wasted power
[20:53:59] <CaptHindsight> yeah Hobby Shops died, well most did
[20:54:08] <CaptHindsight> do you have any good ones by you?
[20:54:10] <flyback> burned fingers on the resistors and they burned a hole in themselves
[20:54:16] <flyback> yeah about 37 mins from here
[20:54:18] <flyback> was amazing
[20:54:24] <flyback> they even have stuff for my 45 yr old lionel
[20:54:29] <flyback> this is crazy
[20:54:34] <flyback> my dad and i used to shoot model rockets
[20:54:36] <flyback> HOLY SHIT
[20:54:42] <flyback> NOW THEY HAVE ONES WITH 2 PART LIQUID FUELS
[20:54:43] <flyback> WTF
[20:54:57] <CaptHindsight> http://chicagoland-hobby.shoplightspeed.com
[20:55:18] <flyback> they had a lot of modern improvemtns for my ogauge if I wanted
[20:55:24] <flyback> track with a build in base
[20:55:30] <flyback> but it's about $70 to replace what I have
[20:55:38] <flyback> also could probably convert it to dcc
[20:55:51] <flyback> yes they had pinewood stuff also
[20:56:22] <flyback> bought a arudino there for $16
[20:56:33] <CaptHindsight> we had a bunch of interests N and HO trains, models cars, planes, military etc
[20:56:39] <flyback> probably will sit on a shelf with the 3 stm32's and msp430 boards
[20:56:46] <flyback> but mabye eventually I will start coding
[20:57:01] <flyback> once o get more of my project started and can relax
[20:57:10] <flyback> another thing that blew my mind
[20:57:16] <flyback> those keychain arcade machines
[20:57:23] <flyback> they have a real stn or tft screen
[20:57:25] <CaptHindsight> I used to run Cox nitromethane fuel in my motorized skateboards
[20:57:30] <flyback> not stupid stencil cut out lcd garbage
[20:57:38] <flyback> a real like cell phone lcd
[20:58:16] <flyback> I almost bought dig dug for $20
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[21:04:58] <veek> what's a good way to bind wire mesh to wood? that will come off if needed using some solvent?
[21:08:47] <CaptHindsight> an adhesive removed by solvent
[21:09:09] <CaptHindsight> how about heat?
[21:09:15] <CaptHindsight> hot melt adhesives?
[21:10:15] <CaptHindsight> not sure what solvents you have access to
[21:10:24] <CaptHindsight> or wish to expose yourself to
[21:13:39] <CaptHindsight> veek: https://polymerdatabase.com
[21:18:19] <elmo40> flyback, nothing wrong with being Canucked.
[21:18:47] <elmo40> why do you think AMD bought ATI?
[21:20:37] <CaptHindsight> AMD had gotten rid of most all their decent engineers
[21:21:19] <elmo40> did an investment firm buy them ? sounds like the procedure they implement.
[21:21:22] <CaptHindsight> and they weren't done with making all their poor decisions yet
[21:21:58] <CaptHindsight> was back in 2006
[21:22:10] <CaptHindsight> thats when x86 licenses were expiring
[21:22:11] <elmo40> just look at FLUKE. They used to make sweet devices in the higher consumer level. now they are all throw away junk untill you spend a thousand canukistanian pesos on them...
[21:22:22] <CaptHindsight> SiS got out of the chipset business
[21:23:17] <CaptHindsight> Via burned through a Billion $$$
[21:24:38] <elmo40> i can burn through a billion $$$ too!
[21:24:40] <flyback> elmo40, BMCC
[21:24:49] * flyback puntcunts elmo40
[21:25:10] <elmo40> ... ALL ON 36 RED!
[21:25:21] <flyback> TWSS
[21:26:02] <elmo40> does LinuxCNC support Matrox video cards?
[21:26:13] <elmo40> gotta stick with Canuk brands...
[21:33:07] <XXCoder> anyone can burn though bllion bucks easily
[21:36:03] <flyback> matrox = STUPID CANUCKS
[21:36:06] <flyback> and yes
[21:48:24] <veek> CaptHindsight, thanks :)
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[23:07:28] <_unreal_> elmo40, matrox video card and linuxcnc have little if anything in common
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