#linuxcnc | Logs for 2020-03-19
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[00:26:45] <unterhaus_> I think it might be possible to kill people by leaving it running in an open garage if the conditions are right
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[00:33:40] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
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[03:29:48] <Deejay> moin
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[04:59:16] <sensille> any recommendations for a small bandsaw to cut aluminum?
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[05:08:12] <veegee> Successfully bypassed the GFCI. It was a nuisance to get past all the wiring and what not
[05:08:18] <veegee> Everything works as expected now
[05:08:27] <veegee> No blown VFD, no nuisance tripping, etc.
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[06:12:46] <jthornton> morning
[06:15:02] * jthornton finally made it to 12.8571 stone
[06:15:11] <XXCoder> congats
[06:15:39] <jthornton> my goal is 12 stone
[06:15:51] <XXCoder> im at 5000 stones heh
[06:16:00] <XXCoder> nah kidding. 310 pounds
[06:16:08] <jthornton> I don't think so lol
[06:16:22] <jthornton> 22.1429 stone
[06:16:28] <XXCoder> bad combination of being a fatass, dense bones and thick body
[06:16:36] <Loetmichel> <- 116kg :-)
[06:16:44] <XXCoder> lol i weight nbit less than 2 of you
[06:17:26] <jthornton> 116kg = 18.2669 stone
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[06:30:22] <jthornton> heavy rain today and chance of snow on Sunday
[06:38:15] <p0g0> It's going to hit 76F here today, & freeze Saturday...
[06:38:31] <p0g0> Flash Floods just west...
[06:38:44] <XXCoder> 52f today and slowly lowering to 43f by monday
[06:38:53] <XXCoder> no rain at all
[06:38:59] <XXCoder> extremely abnormal
[06:39:05] <p0g0> ya think?
[06:39:07] <jthornton> yea flash flood watch here till Thursday night
[06:39:22] <XXCoder> yes. here it normally almost cant NOT rain during springs.
[06:39:50] <XXCoder> dryest year this year so far.
[06:39:51] <jthornton> my house and buildings are all above the high water mark except the pole barn
[06:39:59] <p0g0> The rain is normal enough, but the 76F is way outside our norms.
[06:41:52] <p0g0> I live in "hard hill country", runoff is fast, and the river is about 70m below, with 30m cliffs in a gorge, it's the instantaneous rain that makes things dangerous-driving, washouts, etc.
[06:45:24] <p0g0> It'll never flood unless some serious plate tectonics gets involved. The Ordovician era oceans did once cover the area- why we have such good gravel, the limestone beds. The racehorse folks just west are there for the same reason, the calcium and phosphorous make strong light bones.
[07:05:47] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: the funny thing with us fatasses is that while endurance may be down the drain POWER is plenty. i.E: if someone wants some he better is fast enough to not get hit, otherwise its usually "lights out" ':_)
[07:07:32] <XXCoder> lol
[07:08:29] <Loetmichel> been there done that. "sorry, officer. the perp literally ran into my fist..."
[07:08:40] <XXCoder> never was a fighter
[07:08:55] <XXCoder> i'd comment about being a beter lover than figher but im not great on that either'
[07:10:19] <Loetmichel> also i dont imagine you as "coloured turned white" ;)
[07:10:30] <Loetmichel> ... and especially not as the king of pop ;)
[07:10:51] <XXCoder> huh?
[07:11:06] <XXCoder> ah some song or other i recall something like that lol
[07:11:10] <XXCoder> been a while
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[07:20:44] <p0g0> built for comfort, not for speed...
[07:21:16] <XXCoder> sadly my body model dont come with confort too
[07:21:16] <p0g0> (Howlin Wolfe)
[07:22:42] <p0g0> Or mebbe "Tramp" or "Love Man", Otis Redding
[07:23:36] <jthornton> most I've ever weighted is 240 pounds and that sucked big time BP was up no energy
[07:23:46] <jthornton> weighed even
[07:26:30] <XXCoder> 240 lb should be my ideal weight
[07:27:11] <XXCoder> well time to sleep laters
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[07:43:26] <jthornton> night
[08:01:41] <Tom_L> 61 & rain here
[08:43:53] <jthornton> same here
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[09:13:22] <Javabean> rain was yesterday... and only just got warmer than 61f
[09:16:56] <Loetmichel> p0g0: i meant "the girl is mine", duet of MJ and Paul Mcartney
[09:17:35] <Loetmichel> MJ literally says to paul in that song "i'm a lover, not a fighter!"
[09:19:27] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: even 104kg (240lb) would be about 20lb "overweight" for me. i am only a 5'11' male in my fifties. the 18,3 stone i have now are WAY to much.
[09:20:03] <Loetmichel> I honestly dont care much though, as log as i can still climb the stairs at the company without a heart attack all is well :-)
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[09:22:03] <JT-Shop> Loetmichel, I got tired of carrying the extra weight around and the high BP associated with obesity
[09:22:30] <JT-Shop> I also stopped snoring when I lost 60 pounds of fat
[09:22:57] <Loetmichel> yeah, that would be about as much as i should shed off
[09:23:08] <Loetmichel> 60lb i mean
[09:23:56] <miss0r> hello
[09:24:15] <miss0r> 'you guys hanging in there?
[09:24:17] <p0g0> 'k. I am a fan of 50's, 60's US Blues musicians, so for the antithesis, tho a bit apt given the now familiar "don't touch your face: J.B. Lenoir's "Don't Touch My Head" and Willy Dixon's "I'm Ready" (covered by Muddy Waters et al, "Fathers and Suns") Both songs about pugilism.
[09:24:42] <p0g0> Loetmichel, ^
[09:25:13] <p0g0> But they are first rate blues tunes...
[09:25:28] <miss0r> I never learned to love blues...
[09:25:48] <p0g0> Yet you are singing them now...
[09:26:06] <miss0r> GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
[09:26:19] <miss0r> :]
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[09:42:40] <JT-Shop> yea, pretty quiet here
[09:42:45] <jymmmm> good morning
[10:08:35] <miss0r> it is ridiculously quite here. Its like the movie set of a zombie movie
[10:08:43] <miss0r> without the zombies, though
[10:09:11] <gregcnc> I haven't been out and about but have heard the same
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[10:09:55] <miss0r> The industry is still going. So its nice to have so little cars on the road while I drive around to repair stuff
[10:10:20] <miss0r> I guess I should've replaced "little" with "few".
[10:12:31] <miss0r> bah. I have some metal painting comming up. ignorant me browses my supplyer for a dust mast.. haha, no dice
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[10:17:13] <jthornton> some woodworking places have painters dust masks but you won't find and N95
[10:17:49] <skunkworks> main street here in this little town is usually busy. (couple bars) last night - there was 1 car parked.
[10:18:49] <miss0r> I ended up buying a full face proper gasmask with external filters. It was all I could find. But it sure will last me longer than those one use masks(Assuming I don't manage to paint over the face sheild)
[10:19:02] <miss0r> :)
[10:20:50] <miss0r> gasmasks won't do me much good against the corona virus.. I have a full face beard, and one thing is for sure - THAT it will not seal against :D
[10:21:05] <miss0r> (I wasn't allowed to have that when i was in the army, for the same reason)
[10:21:15] <gregcnc> wouldn't take long to fix
[10:21:32] <miss0r> paint on the faceshield?
[10:21:40] <miss0r> or the beard? :D
[10:21:55] <gregcnc> beard lol
[10:22:13] <miss0r> meh. I look like a 13 year old kit the second I remove it
[10:22:36] <miss0r> Last time I took it all off I made my oldest son cry, because he didn't recognize me :D
[10:23:29] <gregcnc> iv'e seen some of those videos
[10:23:54] <miss0r> They are not all made up :D I didn't record it, though.
[10:25:22] <gregcnc> people are doing their best to panic others
[10:25:53] <miss0r> Indeed. I don't understand why, though. What good would that do anyone?
[10:27:15] <gregcnc> facebook is full of people claiming martial law, freeing inmates from prisons, etc, trump released the virus to crash the economy
[10:27:59] <miss0r> I know trump is a crazy mofo.. but that is a bit over the top
[10:28:21] <Tom_L> they furloughed ~7000 Textron workers for ~8 weeks here today
[10:28:23] <gregcnc> thats' only one of the theories about crashing the economy there are many
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[10:29:58] <miss0r> I basically ignore all the social medias. Not hard as I'm not present on any of them, though :D
[10:30:05] <gregcnc> people saying the death tolls in china are orders of magnitude greater than reported
[10:30:35] <Javabean> the one about the underreported deathtolls in china are really the easiest to believe
[10:31:51] <gregcnc> few airplanes flying too. There was a big rush at ~3AM to ORD, must have been overnight air shipments
[10:32:52] <miss0r> yeah. Its easy to believe china would be lying about this.. :)
[10:33:00] <miss0r> But what do I know.
[10:33:20] <miss0r> I know sh*t is going down in italy.
[10:33:33] <miss0r> Yesterday 475 people died from the virus
[10:33:33] <Javabean> nobody outside of china's "ruling party" knows the true deathtoll... and maybe not even them
[10:33:47] <miss0r> in italy*
[10:34:50] <CaptHindsight> China and Iran are not clear about their numbers! :)
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[10:35:29] <gregcnc> Iran will be bad it seems too
[10:35:40] <rue_mohr> miss0r, are you sure on that number?
[10:35:57] <CaptHindsight> based on all their data sheets should just X2 all their numbers?
[10:35:59] <gregcnc> I just assume nobody goes to and from Russia, but that can't be real either
[10:36:27] <miss0r> rue_mohr: Define 'sure'?; Have I counted it myself? -no. but it comes from the italian ministry of health. I would think they are somewhat trustworthy. But I can't be sure
[10:36:35] <CaptHindsight> numbers that make them look good divide by 2, look bad x 2
[10:36:37] <rue_mohr> ok
[10:36:49] <Javabean> miss0r: taken from https://www.worldometers.info on march 17 "Italy: Bergamo (Lombardy region) has run out of intensive care beds"
[10:36:58] <miss0r> yeah
[10:37:07] <miss0r> italy is f-ed
[10:37:46] <rue_mohr> so, are they adjusting the fatality rate for this, or is it still ~1%
[10:37:50] <miss0r> their crematorium system in the district could not keep up. They've had miletary convoys driving the bodys our of town
[10:38:56] <rue_mohr> need to convert myself to a robot
[10:39:05] <miss0r> rue_mohr: That is a horrible question, to which theres no real answer. Like here in Denmark; The government - to keep up with demand - has changed the way they do the virus test: now they are only testing the ones with suvere symptoms. and therefore only a 'little' number is represented
[10:39:26] <rue_mohr> hmm yea
[10:39:41] <rue_mohr> I'm here in canada, and they aren't doing proactive testing
[10:39:41] <Javabean> that site lists the "case-closed" deathrate at 10%... but take a cup of salt with that statement, some places/situations aren't getting testing done on everyone living
[10:39:45] <miss0r> It is estimated that somewhere between 9.000 and 90.000 dains are infected. but the official number is ~1000
[10:39:51] <rue_mohr> 10%!!!
[10:40:14] <gregcnc> I would guess the most accurate numbers come from South Korea
[10:40:23] <Javabean> the 10% includes people who died and didn't get tested until after they died
[10:40:28] <miss0r> yeah. They are testing like theres no tomorrow
[10:40:47] <CaptHindsight> we'll likely have more accurate numbers in a few weeks
[10:40:59] <miss0r> Same time next year, even
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[10:41:20] <rue_mohr> so, are there any stories from people who have survived it?
[10:41:21] <CaptHindsight> even more accurate in months
[10:41:52] <gregcnc> many people have survived and didn't even know....?
[10:41:53] <CaptHindsight> Tom hanks and wife got out of the hospital yesterday
[10:42:00] <miss0r> rue_mohr: sure. lots
[10:42:38] <miss0r> I'm more worried about the two belgian amature athlets(early 30s)
[10:42:41] <rue_mohr> need to hear more from the people who had it, what they went thru
[10:42:52] <CaptHindsight> the kardashians will live blog hour by hour
[10:42:58] <miss0r> they both cleared the decease, but died a week later because their loungh tissue swelled up
[10:43:03] <gregcnc> all depends on how bad they had it
[10:43:39] <miss0r> gregcnc: I've had a runny nose for a few days. I MUST HAVE IT :)
[10:43:53] <miss0r> and I very well could. and just not get hit harder than this
[10:44:10] <rue_mohr> that seems to be the issue
[10:44:25] <rue_mohr> I'v had something for about a month now, starts every pollen season
[10:44:26] <miss0r> which sucks driving to clients. I am SUPER CRAZY about disinfecting everything.
[10:44:41] <rue_mohr> so, like, how the hell would I know
[10:44:42] <miss0r> I would not like to feel I could've infected anyone, *should* I have it
[10:45:00] <CaptHindsight> I'm phone only
[10:45:26] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: Nice. that would be near impossible for me, though
[10:45:39] <miss0r> I have taken in alot more shop work than usual, to stay home as much as possible
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[10:47:30] <CaptHindsight> have you noticed that people are avoiding eye contact when outside?
[10:48:24] <CaptHindsight> it's a 6ft 3m rule, not if you look at someone they might infect you rule
[10:48:35] <Tom_L> :)
[10:48:47] <Tom_L> curse by association
[10:50:32] <CaptHindsight> sorry 6ft / 2m rule, it's not 3m in metric countries
[10:55:31] <Javabean> 1m ~(about) 39inches = 3foot/3inches
[10:56:03] <Javabean> so 2m is about 6foot 6inches, or 6.5feet
[10:56:21] <CaptHindsight> heh
[10:56:39] <CaptHindsight> sorry didn't mean to laugh
[10:57:08] <rue_mohr> containment suit anymone?
[10:57:34] <Javabean> no, go ahead and laugh, capt... metric to american is great fun!
[10:59:02] <CaptHindsight> who did this to you, you're not even German
[11:00:48] <Javabean> i have only seen my "family tree" from my mother's mother's side... pretty sure there is alot of german from other directions
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[11:08:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the 200 gal of UV cured epoxy ends up was leaking all over the he ship
[11:08:56] <CaptHindsight> wish they had pictures
[11:11:36] <CaptHindsight> and the AIG website to file insurance claims is down, these fuckers are nice
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[11:15:55] <gregcnc> don't they ever ship buckets to understand how to load them?
[11:16:30] <CaptHindsight> they ignored the "Do not stack" labels
[11:20:41] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: was there enough UV?
[11:20:53] <SpeedEvil> (to cure it before it was found)
[11:23:24] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: sure it was daylight near the equator
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[11:32:55] <gregcnc> wtf? https://www.youtube.com
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[11:35:20] <gregcnc> ^ math
[11:36:37] <sensille> is that really easier?
[11:36:58] <gregcnc> if you can only add
[11:37:45] <sensille> and half
[11:39:09] <Javabean> and double
[11:39:27] <sensille> that adding
[11:39:32] <sensille> +'s
[11:39:43] <Javabean> shhhhh don't tell american school kids that
[11:39:45] <sensille> it's nicely presented, though
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[12:14:25] <CaptHindsight> we would have been in trouble for performing math functions in any other way than instructed, conforming was the main goal, not a well rounded education
[12:16:56] <unterhaus> I had a teacher that taught us all sorts of math tricks, she would have really liked that method
[12:17:39] <unterhaus> do people put their limit switches in the estop loop?
[12:21:48] <rue_mohr> shoudln't
[12:21:56] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i WAS in trouble quite a bit in school for exactly that .-)
[12:23:34] <CaptHindsight> unterhaus: I can see doing it that way if you have no end stops
[12:23:59] <Loetmichel> unterhaus: if the limit switches are real limit switches and not home switches it makes some sense to tie them into the drivers, not into the estop loop, so the driver cant physically move beyond the switch but still can back OFF the switch
[12:24:53] <Loetmichel> not that many people do that though because its only marginally safer than the soft limits and usual hobby machines have not enough oomph to destroy something if they run into the hard ends of travel
[12:25:30] <CaptHindsight> ballscrew only supported on the motor end so the nut doesn't drive off the end of the screw :)
[12:26:40] <Loetmichel> benn there done that half a dozen times (the "32 balls searching in the whole shop and reassembling the nut") Then i reparametrized the soft limits in LinuxCNC so that cant happen again ;)
[12:27:15] <Loetmichel> still the estop loop makes no sense, cause you cant drive the machine OFF the limit switch if estop is active
[12:27:35] <Loetmichel> so its more useful to tie them into the Servo drivers/stepper drivers
[12:28:15] <tjtr33> ? click on "ignore limits" in axis
[12:28:35] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: as far as i know thats NOT possible for the Estop loop
[12:28:40] <Loetmichel> only for the soft limits
[12:28:45] <Loetmichel> thats my point
[12:30:11] <Loetmichel> to put a limit switch into the estop loop means you have no way to get the axis in question off said limit switch unless you have a hand wheel on the servo/stepper motor
[12:30:52] <Loetmichel> also: a real estop loop disables the drivers. so even if you could ignore the estop signal in linuxCNC it would STILL not work
[12:31:07] <tjtr33> yes i see, we had the limits wired to a terminal strip on the column of one machine. everyone knew to put a jumper from #1 to #10 to allow jogging it back into work area, some put a switch across the limits ( series to estop)
[12:31:45] <Loetmichel> yeah, that works of course, but is a workaround
[12:32:21] <Loetmichel> its "cleaner" to wire the limit switches NOT into the Estop loop but into the drivers limit inputs
[12:33:13] <Loetmichel> i have even seen that on stepper drivers where they simply switched the "dir" input in a way that the stepper could only move OFF the switch on the next step pulse, regardless of what the computer says
[12:34:09] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: that makes things interesting if that feature is not documented
[12:34:43] <tjtr33> yes many servo drive have a + and a - enables that can be wired into limits switches
[12:35:06] <tjtr33> one the limit is hit you can only move the other way
[12:36:26] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: indeed. "why is that axis wobbling back and forth when i press "move???
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[12:38:37] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: still better than shooting half an pound of steel (the hard limit) across the shop because of a mishap in the soft limit parameters ;)
[12:38:48] <Loetmichel> -n
[12:39:54] <Loetmichel> (i DID wire in some limit switches after that mishap! :-)
[12:40:27] <Loetmichel> (correctly onto the siemens servo drivers limit inputs)
[12:41:05] <Javabean> oh, yeah... how did you fair after your recent "kickback" to the gut?
[12:44:32] <Loetmichel> who, me?
[12:44:40] <Loetmichel> cant remember any kickback
[12:46:13] <Javabean> you were the one that took a chunk of alu to the gut and asked what it was called when a saw spat something back at you... that was you right?
[12:47:56] <Loetmichel> ah
[12:47:58] <Loetmichel> yes
[12:48:07] <Loetmichel> but that wasnt really "hard"
[12:48:28] <Loetmichel> just a little reminder to not stand behind a table saw when doing metal ;)
[12:48:49] <Javabean> s/"when doing metal"/""
[12:49:02] <Loetmichel> forgot that shortly after i asked ;)
[12:49:21] <Javabean> yoy... but still, hows the gut?
[12:52:32] <Loetmichel> as i said: no damage done, so fine ;)
[12:53:15] <Javabean> congrats
[12:53:20] <Loetmichel> my belly tends to "repel" or "rebounce" any projectiles that fly at it ;)
[12:54:08] <Javabean> lol
[12:56:11] <Loetmichel> one of the perks of being fat
[12:56:24] <Loetmichel> enough wobbly material there to do a rebounce ;)
[12:56:35] <Javabean> well, there is fat... then there is just having a "beergut"
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[12:58:43] <Loetmichel> more the latter
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[13:00:03] <Javabean> same... but i know i don't have the reflexes to dodge a kickback
[13:01:22] <Javabean> also, this is woodworking... but its a good demonstration of why you don't stand there while cutting https://www.youtube.com
[13:04:07] <Javabean> bleh, i still shudder everytime i see that part... fsck dude
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[13:32:32] <CaptHindsight> who makes those cheap low precision SCARA's?
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[13:33:02] <Loetmichel> Javabean: i did quite a bit of woodwork in the day
[13:33:48] <Loetmichel> i know how a kickback feels and i know that i am pretty lucky to still have all my 10 fingers. I just didnt knew how its called in english
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[13:34:48] <Loetmichel> and yes, i also know how it feels to get the end of a 2by4 shoved into your gut at high velocity
[13:35:21] <Loetmichel> lets just say "not so funny" and i am thankfull that i had a leather apron on back then that prevented any penetration
[13:35:25] <CaptHindsight> what do they call metric 2x4's?
[13:35:37] <Loetmichel> 50*100mm ;)
[13:35:50] <Loetmichel> "konstruktionsholz"
[13:36:15] <Loetmichel> the usual word here is "dachlatte" but thats more a 1x2
[13:38:11] <CaptHindsight> holzgebanger = hammer?
[13:38:37] <CaptHindsight> or nagelbanger
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[13:39:04] <CaptHindsight> hey is the same word!
[13:39:11] <Loetmichel> "dachlatten" (Roof batten probably, the small timbers that run horizontally across the rafters to hold the ceramic tiles on german roofs) are usually 22mm by 45mm,. so slightly undersized 1by2s
[13:39:33] <Loetmichel> hammer is just hammer
[13:41:14] <Loetmichel> or, if you are from the "ruhrgebiet" in germany a big hammer is called "mottek" but thats probably because of all the polish guest workers in the sixties and seventies
[13:43:28] <Javabean> holzgebanger is german for "digit finder"?
[13:45:29] <Javabean> when you only have a hammer, all the world looks like your thumb
[13:53:27] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: 1*2 are not 1*2
[13:54:12] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: i know
[13:54:13] <Javabean> and 2x4's aren't 2x4
[13:54:19] <Javabean> but that is just having fun
[13:54:32] <Loetmichel> IIRC its a "a sawblade widht less" or so
[13:54:45] <Loetmichel> in both directions
[13:54:55] <Javabean> more than that
[13:54:56] <SpeedEvil> A sawblade from 1880.
[13:56:25] <Javabean> i am sure they had thinner sawblades in 1880
[13:56:31] <gregcnc> plus drying?
[13:57:08] <Javabean> a 2x4 is typically about 1.5x3.5
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[14:02:20] <Loetmichel> Javabean: THATS because sawmills are cheap and got away with it
[14:02:30] <Loetmichel> i think in the beginning it was just a sawblade less
[14:02:50] <Loetmichel> also the same thing happens here with "dachlatten"
[14:03:36] <Loetmichel> rough sawn its 25 by 50mm... buy the same baton in "planed" and its only 22 by 45mm ;)
[14:03:49] <gregcnc> https://www.fpl.fs.fed.us
[14:04:03] <Javabean> wish they would be that accurate with the lumber for a house
[14:15:38] <gregcnc> just add cubic money?
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[14:23:50] <JT-Shop> well heck my S4 is not compatible with the new version of my banking app
[14:24:32] <gregcnc> aren't they up to s20 now?
[14:25:19] <JT-Shop> hmm I need android 6.0 at least
[14:25:22] <gregcnc> is the OS old?
[14:25:26] <JT-Shop> dunno, never looked
[14:26:05] <gregcnc> i have a tablet that I need to root and update so kids can play games
[14:26:21] <gregcnc> i know nothing about doing so
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[14:39:27] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: tell me about it. i still have a note3 on my belt ;)
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[14:46:36] <JT-Shop> looks like only the phone manufacturer is the one to stop updating your phone
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[16:07:58] <Jymmm> I think skunkworks found a android "update" for older devices
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[16:10:59] <skunkworks> I use lineageos when I can
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[16:14:27] <miss0r> bah. my lathe is getting old. I have to reajust my tailstock every time I move it now.
[16:14:47] <XXCoder> dont tailstock have umm tose shims?
[16:14:54] <XXCoder> maybe need replace or adjust those
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[16:15:47] <miss0r> XXCoder: Depends
[16:16:07] <miss0r> This is an old eastern european one. It is probably from the 70s
[16:16:14] <XXCoder> hmm ok
[16:16:40] <miss0r> The height is not too bad. But the "X" direction is all over the place
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[16:22:15] <miss0r> This lathe is all but clapped out anyway
[16:22:35] <miss0r> I have to do ALOT of compensation if I do long turns. Which on this lathe is only 800mm or so
[16:23:00] <miss0r> I should start looking for one
[16:25:18] <XXCoder> cant rebuild?
[16:25:27] <miss0r> I think I am looking for a factory new lathe. 1000mm bedways. Not a toy lathe! :D But I don't want to spend too much money nontheless. I am thinking somewhere in the range of 8-10k eur. Can you guys recommend any?
[16:25:35] <miss0r> XXCoder: Sure. But time is an issue here.
[16:26:07] <miss0r> I would need to rebuild the spindle. the slide & crossslide. The compound is bad... The gearbox jumps out'a gears
[16:26:13] <miss0r> The leadscrew is warped
[16:26:29] <miss0r> but you can still make nice parts on it, if you keep this in mind
[16:28:10] <miss0r> also, the spindle nose is a ridiculous no more used ANYWHERE standard that I have to machine all the new accesories for
[16:28:30] <miss0r> I hesitate to even call it standard :D
[16:28:47] <XXCoder> lol
[16:30:53] <miss0r> also, for this size lathe (1500mm bedways) I find it realy annoying only to have a 35mm spindle bore
[16:31:04] <miss0r> That is often an annoyance
[16:31:14] <XXCoder> sounds like you do need a upgrade
[16:34:38] <miss0r> hehe.
[16:35:26] <miss0r> The only thing this lathe realy got going for it is the super precision bearings I slapped in the spindle some years back. If I 'only' use the spindle to hold a short part, I can make some realy realy precise turning and grinding with a grinder attachment. My runout is hardly measureable.
[16:35:46] <miss0r> but, as it would happen, I hardly ever turn realy short parts :]
[16:35:53] <XXCoder> lol
[16:36:38] <miss0r> I'm considering the german knuth
[16:40:28] <miss0r> Considering this model: https://www.kjv.dk
[16:41:46] <XXCoder> looks interesting
[16:41:55] <XXCoder> dont know enough to actually comment besides that heh
[16:42:35] <JT-Shop> looks very similar minus the DRO to my old Tiawan Samson lathe
[16:42:45] <miss0r> hehe. I don't know what the price is, though. I'd need to call someone about that. But I have a sneaking suspicion I can't afford it. I've done alot of maintenance on these in the field.. well, the 1500 models anyway. But it looks realy nice
[16:43:02] <miss0r> JT-Shop: Howd'ya like that one? :)
[16:43:20] <JT-Shop> looks nice but I can't read German lol
[16:44:01] <miss0r> me neither :D
[16:44:05] <miss0r> well. A little of it anyway
[16:44:35] <miss0r> Here in denmark you can't get by as a machine repair fellah' without knowing to read a bit of german
[16:44:43] <JT-Shop> I like the cover over the leadscrew
[16:44:58] <miss0r> That is the only thing making me want another model
[16:46:22] <miss0r> Its like a hard rubber coated fabric. It gets warn out a little too fast
[16:46:27] <gregcnc> lineageos is what I found when I looked for my older Samsung tablet
[16:46:51] <miss0r> I like the wound spring steel cover that some of them have. Those - if proberly maintained - will last forever
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[16:52:00] <miss0r> If this lathe was just for hobby I would use it indefinitly... But it is realy starting to slow me down
[16:55:05] <gregcnc> iirc used market there is minimal?
[16:55:35] <miss0r> pretty much
[16:57:47] <gregcnc> Grizzly equal https://www.grizzly.com
[16:58:50] <miss0r> yeah but that is a "1500mm"
[16:58:53] <miss0r> I want the shorter model
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[17:00:45] <andypugh> I think calling that Grizzly a “Toolroom Lathe” is stretching the point.
[17:00:51] <miss0r> hows grizzly? quality wise?
[17:01:02] <jthornton> to the extreme!
[17:01:04] <miss0r> I feel like that name does not realy equal quality and precision
[17:01:22] <andypugh> One traditional reuirement for a toolroom lathe used to be that the bed width is greater than the centre height.
[17:01:39] <miss0r> jthornton: I was looking for a traditional wellbehaved kind of precision.. not TO THE EXTREME :D
[17:01:51] <jthornton> a buddy of mine bought a couple of griz manual mills and they had huge slop on the axes in no time
[17:01:57] <miss0r> andypugh: That is still very much the case
[17:02:02] <andypugh> I think that the same lathe, from the same factory, is available under many different brands.
[17:02:11] <jthornton> I'm talking about calling a griz a tool room anything
[17:02:47] <miss0r> Theres no dought I am looking for one of those chinese ones branded locally.. I simply can't afford the real stuff
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[17:09:13] <andypugh> miss0r: Are you in .dk as hovering over your name indicates?
[17:09:39] <andypugh> Surely you can find a decent machine over the border in .de ?
[17:10:34] <miss0r> andypugh: Yeah, I am in DK.
[17:10:42] <miss0r> and sure, there are options in Germany.
[17:11:14] <miss0r> But the thing is: Buying used from Germany.. well, you never know what you get. Not because it is germany, just because it is used and shipped from afar.
[17:11:28] <miss0r> I might be better off just using what I've got :D
[17:11:45] <miss0r> But buying new, theres atleast some dealer ship I can call and make my case
[17:11:51] <andypugh> Another (EU, for the moment) source of cheap chinese tat: https://www.gatemachinery.com
[17:16:21] <miss0r> hmm
[17:16:30] * miss0r is seriously considering rebuilding at the moment
[17:17:16] <andypugh> What is your current lathe?
[17:17:52] <andypugh> rene_dev_: knows a scrapyard in Stuttgart that sometimes has lathes :-)
[17:18:08] <andypugh> (There was a lovely Schaublin in there last year when I visited)
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[17:27:27] <miss0r> andypugh: At the moment I am running a Zelenda ZN150
[17:31:56] <andypugh> Looks very Soviet
[17:34:58] <miss0r> it is from the the USSR...
[17:35:06] <miss0r> eastern europe from when the USSR was in charge
[17:35:07] <andypugh> Not Czech?
[17:35:10] <miss0r> yup
[17:35:35] <andypugh> I was seriously looking at a russian lathe a while back. (Before I got my Holbrook)
[17:35:47] <andypugh> Ah, yes, that’s wjat you need. A Holbrook.
[17:37:39] <miss0r> I need something from this century :)
[17:37:47] <miss0r> But I like repairing holbrooks
[17:37:53] <miss0r> Nice equipment
[17:38:18] <DaViruz> i'm quite fond of the soviet lathes
[17:38:28] <andypugh> I wonder if anyoe has made an actual decent lathe this century?
[17:38:31] <DaViruz> the two speed feed joystick is brilliant
[17:39:33] <miss0r> I'm hoping DaVirus is shopping for a new lathe, so I can swoop it from under his nose... Thats how I got my surface grinder :D
[17:39:40] <andypugh> miss0r: Maybe https://www.colchester.co.uk
[17:39:50] <DaViruz> miss0r: i might be!
[17:40:13] <DaViruz> a friend of mine has a really nice voest-alpine combination manual - cnc lathe
[17:40:29] <miss0r> I like colchester... But I don't like imperial stuff :D
[17:40:41] <DaViruz> it's hands down the best lathe i've ever used
[17:40:45] <miss0r> Honnestly, I considered getting a gildemeister
[17:41:18] <miss0r> I realy could use a CNC lathe in here, but I can't not have a manual lathe ;D
[17:41:30] <miss0r> Perhaps I'm looking for that sort of combination...
[17:41:41] <DaViruz> voest-alpine W 570
[17:41:51] <DaViruz> they seem to be quite rare though, i've only ever seen the one
[17:41:58] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: heh, your nick is fitting for the current situation
[17:42:37] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: There there.. DaViruz is a hipster. He had the name BEFORE it got relevant.
[17:43:01] <miss0r> DaViruz: I feel like I have seen this particular model before
[17:43:31] <DaViruz> i have possibly raved on about it before
[17:44:10] <miss0r> hmm. might be.
[17:44:14] <DaViruz> it basically operates exactly like a manual lathe, but the handwheels are encoders and the feed levers are switches
[17:45:03] <DaViruz> and it's pretty simple to tell it to remove X diameter from Z length, make tapers and such
[17:45:08] <miss0r> I just finished turning this balancing mandrel for a surface grinder on my lathe: https://imgur.com
[17:45:10] <DaViruz> and the threading function is lovely
[17:45:17] <miss0r> It can still do nice work. but theres alot of compensation all the time
[17:45:21] <DaViruz> https://www.youtube.com
[17:46:41] <miss0r> yeah. If for no other reason, I would like to have a controlled lathe for the thread cutting :)
[17:46:41] <andypugh> DaViruz: That’s exaclty how my CNC Holbrook Minor works :-)
[17:46:53] <DaViruz> i know :)
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[17:47:33] <andypugh> miss0r: See if you can find a Colchester Tornado?
[17:47:59] <miss0r> colchester.. I just don't like all the imperial sizes.. (I know I'm picky here)
[17:48:16] <miss0r> but one should not choose a lathe litely
[17:48:34] <andypugh> I think that you will find that they went metric at some point. Probably 40 years ago.
[17:49:13] <miss0r> only on the major components. All sheilding and covers are imperial up until probably 10 years ago
[17:49:43] <miss0r> colchester lathes are the sole reason I keep imperial tools in my work van :]
[17:49:48] <miss0r> that and haas...
[17:49:48] <andypugh> I probably don’t mean the Tornado
[17:50:18] <andypugh> One of the COlchester CNCs has mpgs out the front on the saddle and a small display there.
[17:51:03] <miss0r> I have realy considered this particular model: https://industry-pilot.com
[17:51:07] <miss0r> Gildemeister NEF 320
[17:51:35] <andypugh> https://images.app.goo.gl
[17:52:14] <andypugh> The Gildermeister is too stylish :-)
[17:52:14] <miss0r> Cute
[17:52:19] <miss0r> haha
[17:52:24] <miss0r> Yeah, it wouldn't fit in here
[17:52:34] <miss0r> My "new" cnc mill also stands out
[17:52:40] <miss0r> It probably wouldn't mind some company
[17:54:15] <miss0r> https://www.machineseeker.com <- this is looking good
[17:54:25] <miss0r> and within my price range
[17:54:55] <miss0r> plus I am amble experience soldering some simodrives in there :) so maintenance should not be an issue
[17:55:19] <miss0r> sadly it seems to be missing the front door
[18:01:56] <syyl> carefull
[18:02:05] <syyl> a lot of the nef had faulty hardened beds
[18:02:52] <DaViruz> triumph, beware of oil leaks ;)
[18:03:07] <miss0r> syyl: True. But one that has been running for the past 20 years without deep gouging in the bedways should be alright :)
[18:03:25] <miss0r> DaViruz: I drive land rovers, I know what oil leak looks like :)
[18:04:15] <DaViruz> i expect it's handy beeing an electrician as well
[18:04:26] <miss0r> indeed
[18:04:48] <DaViruz> a friend of mine is a land rover enthusiast, to me it just seems like a lot of work
[18:05:48] <miss0r> https://i.ebayimg.com
[18:06:24] <miss0r> the bottom one saved me a broken CV joint a few weeks ago... :)
[18:06:53] <andypugh> “One life, live it: Don’t waste it fixing Landrovers”
[18:07:14] <miss0r> I replaced the right hand seal because it was leaking. It was alot of work, so I was trying weather or not to replace the left one as it was not leaking.. I decided to change it just because if it is not leaking theres no oil in there.. and sure enough, it was bone dry in there
[18:08:13] <miss0r> andypugh: Yeah.. 'round here the love for land rovers is called "english sickness" and is defined by "The love for old english ladies with incontinence"
[18:08:24] <andypugh> :-)
[18:08:36] <miss0r> but thruth be told, I realy enjoy it
[18:09:01] <miss0r> so much so I own three. Two of which are registered and have lisence plates installed
[18:09:15] <_unreal_> wow busy in here
[18:09:29] <miss0r> _unreal_: Can't go out. The nasty bug will get us
[18:09:40] <_unreal_> lol
[18:09:55] <_unreal_> at least H1N1 has only killed 12K in the usa 2020 so far
[18:10:11] <DaViruz> actually i was a little unfair toward triumph. my trhiumph doesn't leak anything anywhere, while my suzuki leaked avery imaginable fluid
[18:10:13] <_unreal_> according to the CDC
[18:11:02] <_unreal_> DaViruz, I read triumph as Trump. i was like WAAAA? that doesnt make any sense what the hell is this guy talking about.
[18:11:02] <miss0r> DaViruz: Don't keep oil in it eh?
[18:12:19] <miss0r> I'll call it a night. See you around
[18:12:43] <_unreal_> weird driving. its ALWAYS a traffic jam in south florida
[18:12:48] <_unreal_> free and clear
[18:12:58] <_unreal_> I just got back from work
[18:16:40] <CaptHindsight> hey one mans fixing Land Rovers is another mans women and booze
[18:18:44] <_unreal_> CaptHindsight, I think you miss spoke
[18:18:46] <_unreal_> its
[18:19:20] <_unreal_> "One mans fixing a land rover is an other mans (EASY) boozed up woman"
[18:19:28] <_unreal_> :)
[18:19:56] <CaptHindsight> no, it's not boozed up women
[18:20:14] <CaptHindsight> where did you grow up (eye roll)
[18:20:27] <_unreal_> Maine
[18:21:39] <CaptHindsight> another/an other for the grammar/spelling retentive
[18:23:04] <_unreal_> CaptHindsight, https://z1073.com
[18:23:12] <_unreal_> play video
[18:24:23] <_unreal_> https://youtu.be
[18:25:28] <_unreal_> OMG I called like 100% of every thing that guy says before he said it LOL
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[18:31:19] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:40:07] <CaptHindsight> pharmacies here are already out of Chloroquine
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[18:59:06] <jthornton> a truck driver told my wife that down in Arkansas someone stole a trailer containing medical supplies and toilet paper...
[18:59:52] <_unreal_> Deejay dont you LEAVE!!!
[18:59:56] <_unreal_> :/ he leftr
[18:59:57] <_unreal_> left
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[19:28:06] <_unreal_> ve7it, Whats new
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[20:44:23] <_unreal_> just not fair. my daughter is kicking my ass at foosball
[20:44:36] <_unreal_> :(
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[20:46:12] <_unreal_> everyone must be milling
[20:46:29] <Tom_L> or in a plastic bubble
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[22:06:13] <_unreal_> lol
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[22:27:35] <unterhaus> I'm 3d printing a plastic bubble
[22:29:36] * infornography pops bubble
[22:32:48] <ve7it> _unreal_, hey! how goes the dspic wars?
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