#linuxcnc | Logs for 2020-03-22

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[00:36:07] <veegee> I was looking into a heat treatment furnace too
[00:36:09] <veegee> you can make one yourself
[00:36:27] <XXCoder> i suppose bt im not much into diyer
[00:36:45] <veegee> All you need is some NiCr wire and some fire brick
[00:36:58] <veegee> And a power supply with temperature feedback
[00:37:23] <veegee> Could also go the propane BBQ route with a thermal regulator of some sort, but ovens in general are very easy to make
[00:37:48] <veegee> Orrrr stick your normal oven into "self cleaning" mode
[00:37:54] <XXCoder> lol
[00:38:02] <XXCoder> well wonder if theres pid stuff
[00:38:19] <veegee> That'll make it go to 500ºC which is about right for the hardness you want to maintain
[00:38:37] <_unreal_> That sucked
[00:39:07] <_unreal_> I'll spare you'all the details. bathroom issue end of story
[00:39:13] <XXCoder> lol
[00:39:21] <XXCoder> trying to install a bidet?
[00:39:42] <veegee> I had a motorcycle accident a few years ago, completely destroyed shoulder joint
[00:39:50] <veegee> I never use toilet paper because it's a disgusting american habit
[00:39:53] <veegee> I always use water
[00:40:02] <veegee> So of course with only one working arm, you can't pour water and clean at the same time
[00:40:14] <veegee> So I made a bidet with an RV water pump and a bidet head
[00:40:41] <veegee> I didn't attach it directly to the cold water line because cold water feels horrible squirting right at your butt
[00:40:43] <XXCoder> bidet is quite cheap
[00:40:58] <veegee> So I just filled a bucket with warm water and a tad bit of soap as the water source and it worked great
[00:40:59] <XXCoder> in least ones that dony use power nor hot water
[00:41:14] <veegee> Also yeah I'm just sitting here laughing at all the dumbass americans hoarding toilet paper
[00:41:25] <XXCoder> yeah im american and im laughing ass.
[00:41:29] <XXCoder> *off
[00:41:30] <veegee> It blows my mind how americans walk around with dirty assholes all day
[00:41:34] <XXCoder> in least tp dont expire!
[00:41:41] <veegee> wtf do you use it for? Do you just wipe it dry like that?
[00:41:49] <XXCoder> no to remove shit
[00:41:55] <veegee> yea but it doesn't get everything
[00:42:00] <XXCoder> it doesnt lol
[00:42:05] <veegee> The rest of the world figured that out and uses water
[00:42:12] <XXCoder> unless you use so much tp last one dont change color
[00:42:17] <XXCoder> i dont bother
[00:42:24] <veegee> and it irritates the anus if you scrub too hard
[00:42:35] <XXCoder> precisely
[00:42:37] <veegee> I give my butt a mini shower each time
[00:42:44] <XXCoder> and my bpdy is getting less and less flexable
[00:42:48] <XXCoder> i need it now
[00:42:58] <veegee> not only does it make it super clean, it also gets rid of any sweat and what not
[00:43:04] <XXCoder> all that dumb tp hoarding did something good though
[00:43:12] <XXCoder> it finally kicked my ass to buy a bidet
[00:43:13] <CaptHindsight> come for the CNC, stay for the poop talk :)
[00:43:23] <XXCoder> yep
[00:43:31] <veegee> and just recently I learned what "dingleberries" are
[00:43:48] <CaptHindsight> hey family channel
[00:43:50] <XXCoder> controller software to crapper controller channel, this channel is for everything
[00:43:51] <veegee> No they're not a fruit from a tree
[00:44:10] <veegee> Let's just say they only grow in america where they haven't discovered how to clean themselves properly yet
[00:44:27] <XXCoder> never had that lol
[00:44:38] <_unreal_> bunch of shit slingers in here
[00:44:42] <veegee> Me neither but then again, I use soap/water every day
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[00:45:07] <veegee> if I have no choice, like at the office, I use paper towels moistened with water and light soap
[00:45:25] <veegee> I know you shouldn't flush those, but fuck the american sewage system. Their fault for designing something for barbarians
[00:45:33] <veegee> I cannot go about my day with a dirty asshole
[00:46:14] <veegee> Sorry, end rant
[00:46:30] <XXCoder> lol
[00:46:32] <veegee> It just really irritates me how backwards the sanitation in north america is
[00:46:45] <XXCoder> actually its pretty good here
[00:46:48] <XXCoder> just not with backends
[00:46:59] <veegee> yeah that's true
[00:47:24] <XXCoder> ohh looks good https://youtu.be
[00:47:28] <XXCoder> zach king
[00:52:38] <_unreal_> 1am I'm going to bed
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[01:23:03] <XXCoder> veegee: does bluing stop metalk from rusting?
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[01:33:08] <veegee> XXCoder I don't know much about it. As far as I know, it helps, but doesn't fully prevent
[01:33:10] <veegee> but it helps a lot
[01:33:19] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:33:20] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be
[01:33:25] <XXCoder> this guy uses bluing a lot
[01:33:58] <veegee> I'll check it out
[01:34:15] <XXCoder> pretty good. he dont use bondo a lot like some "restore" channels
[01:34:33] <XXCoder> and yeah hes machinist too, he sometimes makes replacement parts when its too bad
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[01:55:24] <XXCoder> yo
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[04:01:47] <p0g0> XXCoder, the bluing I've used is a lacquer and dye. There is another kind, used on guns and such that is an fe3 oxidation layer, and that makes fe2 (red rust) into a more persistent surface.
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[04:02:16] <Deejay> moin
[04:02:31] <XXCoder> fe3 basically is stronger type of oxide so rust dont form on it? or in least more resistant?
[04:02:43] <p0g0> well, it is in fact a rust.
[04:03:06] <p0g0> but it is a resistant one
[04:03:19] <p0g0> fe2 -> fe3
[04:03:27] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:03:55] <p0g0> bare metal, fe oxidizes to fe2, what you think of as corrosion and rust.
[04:04:45] <p0g0> phosphoric acid (naval jelly, coco cola will reduce the oxides back to fe.
[04:04:55] <p0g0> *cola)
[04:05:40] <p0g0> I guess that is Coca Cola (tm)... not something I imbibe.
[04:06:56] <p0g0> Layout bluing, the blue stuff you lay on a metal to scribe and do layout, is not at all the same stuff.
[04:07:14] <XXCoder> i know lol
[04:07:24] <XXCoder> i have used blue bunch of times
[04:08:31] <p0g0> I had to assume you have, but I wasn't sure if you'd thought it was some kind of rust remover/preventative.
[04:09:20] <XXCoder> ya blue is way too frigile for that ;)
[04:09:27] <XXCoder> bluing is very different
[04:09:32] <p0g0> yep
[04:09:38] <XXCoder> nbut since we never use that I was wondering on what its properies was
[04:09:41] <p0g0> it's a "pickling"
[04:10:32] <p0g0> If you know any decent jewelers that make stuff, they have all manners of nifty pickling cocktails for different metals.
[04:10:41] <XXCoder> fun :)
[04:11:14] <p0g0> Pickling and heating can make handsome dichroic surfaces (butterfly wing stuff).
[04:11:28] <XXCoder> heard lasers can do it also
[04:11:32] <XXCoder> to specific colors
[04:11:50] <p0g0> sure, these days, the meta-materials crowd kind of own the game.
[04:12:15] <p0g0> they tend to be very fragile surfaces tho.
[04:12:44] <p0g0> Fe3 is hard and persistent.
[04:13:03] <p0g0> Black polishing rouge is usually fe3.
[04:18:43] <p0g0> XXCoder, hey, re laserweb- I looked at it a bit, it won't run on AMD64 stuff, right? And if I buy a Pi, does that offer an HTML server and do all the nifty things- I'm learning on a Maslow hanging router, so all I want is better GCode, not anything about motor control etc.
[04:18:59] <XXCoder> rpi4 yeah thats where i run laserweb
[04:19:45] <XXCoder> i dont know if laserweb is best ever
[04:19:48] <XXCoder> but its convient
[04:19:49] <p0g0> OK, and that accepts an SVG, and some basis for depth & passes to make a 3 axis GCode?
[04:20:04] <XXCoder> svg yeah just make sure its all PATH
[04:20:17] <XXCoder> also simpify if it have lots or dots or it will slow down
[04:20:27] <p0g0> yeah. That lesson is well branded on my lobes.
[04:20:31] <XXCoder> laserweb dont seem to use g2 and g3 at all so curves is expensive
[04:20:57] <XXCoder> maybe use inkscape own cam to make gcode for it
[04:21:22] <p0g0> ah, curves are the better part of the Maslow- it is slow so straight lines are better done on a saw, if you can.
[04:22:18] <p0g0> The inkscake CAM is GCodetools, and while it works, it is abandonedware and has some bits of stupid in it.
[04:22:29] <p0g0> *Inkscape
[04:22:35] <XXCoder> might be better with lots of curves
[04:22:43] <p0g0> OK
[04:22:44] <XXCoder> expecially if it actually use g2 and g3
[04:23:07] <p0g0> I believe it does.
[04:23:24] <p0g0> I could just look, but not just now.
[04:23:34] <p0g0> Coffee and such.
[04:23:47] <XXCoder> i dont know if laserweb is best.
[04:23:54] <p0g0> yeah, that's OK
[04:24:10] <XXCoder> i wonder if linuxcnc supports grbl
[04:24:18] <p0g0> best is not a full scale notion.
[04:24:36] <p0g0> Somethings are better at a particular task, etc.
[04:24:44] <XXCoder> no linuxcnc and grbl dont work together
[04:25:31] <XXCoder> grbl supports g2 g3
[04:25:46] <XXCoder> probably internally using g1 in segements like many crap firmwares do
[04:25:56] <p0g0> Yeah. Maslow stuff is a grbl derivative I think.
[04:26:20] <p0g0> It coughs up GRBL in the gcode header, iirc.
[04:27:13] <p0g0> I should be able to reach some of my codesets from here, mmt plz
[04:29:44] <p0g0> Well, the GCode that is sent to the AVR firmware is G02, G03 stuff- I'd have to look at the firmware to see what it does with that.
[04:31:29] <XXCoder> i need to check mine later heh
[04:33:39] <p0g0> It looks like it directly handles G2/G3 as arcs.
[04:34:38] <p0g0> Now I need to find the arc function...
[04:34:53] <XXCoder> cpool
[04:36:45] <p0g0> It's in Motion.cpp, and it does arcs as trig radii unless the chord length is long, then it swaps into G1 segments.
[04:37:40] <p0g0> "Large-radius arc replaced by straight line to improve accuracy:"
[04:39:18] <XXCoder> odd
[04:39:29] <XXCoder> I guess it dont do steppers control like linuxcnc does
[04:39:37] <XXCoder> so linuxcnc stays very tight to arcs
[04:39:51] <XXCoder> fporgot what its called
[04:39:56] <p0g0> more precisely, it computes the delta from the chord to the radius, and if that is large, it uses G1.
[04:40:28] <p0g0> the "chord height"
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[04:42:32] <p0g0> Anyway, it handles G2/G3 in the GCode source, and so far, it seems to do a good job of high order curves.
[04:43:32] <p0g0> Inkscape fonts, beziers, etc (with some caveats about the font itself, TTF vs engraving)
[04:43:47] <XXCoder> you can convert text to path also
[04:44:12] <p0g0> yes, that's been fun-the maslow makes very nice signs.
[04:44:18] <XXCoder> if engraving can leave everything as is then export a png
[04:44:41] <XXCoder> nice
[04:44:45] <p0g0> OK. The TTF's are all loops, not a single linear path.
[04:44:58] <p0g0> Just to offer the Big Distinction.
[04:45:38] <XXCoder> tried to google maslow its not too clear
[04:45:58] <p0g0> yeah, you got the shrink as a first hit.
[04:46:08] <p0g0> "maslow CNC" works better
[04:46:20] <XXCoder> no i got so many different types of cncs lol
[04:46:26] <XXCoder> laser cnc router and router
[04:46:36] <p0g0> it's a hanging router
[04:46:43] <p0g0> like a hanging plotter
[04:46:44] <XXCoder> ah the wall type
[04:46:47] <XXCoder> nice
[04:46:48] <p0g0> yeah
[04:47:07] <p0g0> 4' x 8'
[04:47:09] <XXCoder> how it works out for you
[04:48:04] <p0g0> I have had good experiences so far- the 8' long runs are pretty close to perfect, and they are reliably repeatable.
[04:48:17] <XXCoder> wha
[04:48:37] <XXCoder> 399 bucks for complete kit?
[04:48:42] <p0g0> I overbuilt mine- it uses a yard arm along the top, I have a 12' arm
[04:48:53] <p0g0> hmm a bit more, but yeah scary cheap
[04:49:09] <p0g0> the z axis is not that great, but adequate,
[04:49:20] <XXCoder> what does i have to buy seperately?
[04:49:34] <p0g0> It doesn't do all 3 axis at once- the Z steps.
[04:50:05] <XXCoder> http://maslowcommunitygarden.org
[04:50:07] <p0g0> the router and the wood to assemble it. The Z axis adds about 50$
[04:50:09] <XXCoder> 399 bucks. shipped
[04:50:33] <p0g0> yes, the bay area kit has the Z axis
[04:50:41] <p0g0> hang on, I'll get the URL.
[04:51:03] <XXCoder> 550 bucks basically includes everything
[04:51:17] <XXCoder> not router but has sled and stand
[04:51:50] <p0g0> https://www.eastbaysource.com is the kit I got. I had to get a bit more #25 chain to do the 12' yard arm.
[04:52:18] <XXCoder> https://www.makermadecnc.com
[04:52:29] <p0g0> I also did a 1.5 degree slope, and a 30" above the work area setup.
[04:53:01] <p0g0> I looked around, the east bay folks won the game for me.
[04:54:07] <p0g0> It was simple enough to construct and calibrate, but afaict, I got a bit lucky with my calibration, some seem to muck about more that I did.
[04:54:15] <XXCoder> cool :)
[04:54:21] <XXCoder> its not bad at all
[04:54:32] <XXCoder> perfect for large single sheet funtures and such
[04:54:36] <XXCoder> you know of those?
[04:54:42] <p0g0> One of the things I have and will use it for is jigs and layout.
[04:56:35] <p0g0> yes, I have a large wood stock here, I harvest logs, have them milled, and many of the stacks are old and well seasoned. Contrary to most reports, it handles reasonably clear hardwoods well- I expect most folks have to spend a lot more money than I do for their wood, so they lose big when something fails.
[04:57:15] <XXCoder> i want to make single sheet funture for heck of it :D
[04:57:34] <XXCoder> I guess hardwoods need lower feed speed
[04:57:50] <p0g0> So, yeah, plywood and 5/4-3/4 stock is working well enough for me. I am not sure it would meet some folks standards, but it certainly mills and laysout at that scale better than I can.
[04:58:05] <p0g0> yeah, but the Maslow is slow anyway.
[04:58:18] <XXCoder> not surpised due to its ropes design
[04:58:19] <p0g0> It's not a high production thing.
[04:58:36] <p0g0> chains and gravity, but yeah
[04:59:06] <p0g0> eh, I said 1.5 slope above, that is a typo- 12.5 !
[04:59:21] <p0g0> 1.5 would be a big fail....
[04:59:27] <XXCoder> ah lol
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[05:04:25] <XXCoder> p0g0: wonder if itn could be changed to laser for fun
[05:04:32] <XXCoder> or was that what youre planning to
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[05:05:02] <XXCoder> it wont cut though wood but interesting
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[05:32:53] <p0g0> no, it could run a laser, but those scare me, so I'll pass on that. It will run a pen tho, if you want a large scale paper plotter.
[05:33:29] <XXCoder> if i made that type lser machine it wouldnt be cutting strength
[05:33:40] <XXCoder> engrave only. so maybe 500mw or 1w thats it
[05:34:56] <p0g0> I am just too timid around lasers like that- now if I was feeling artsy, I might do some paint on photo emulsion and run something very low energy and then "develop" the emulsion.
[05:35:33] <p0g0> a 4'x8' B&W print kind of thing.
[05:35:33] <XXCoder> laser film dev interesting
[05:35:51] <p0g0> easy enough to do too.
[05:36:11] <XXCoder> i guess it must be very dark while thats being ran
[05:36:48] <p0g0> well, that depends on the "film speed" of the emulsion- and the ambient light- a maroon/red should be OK
[05:37:23] <p0g0> But the laser might want to be a higher frequency light.
[05:37:47] <p0g0> Darkrooms for common silver halides got away with low level red.
[05:37:51] <XXCoder> im guessing it needs to be very low power
[05:37:57] <XXCoder> you dont want it burn though
[05:38:24] <p0g0> The laser would be "very bright" compared to those, even a low power one. Dwell time would also work.
[05:39:19] <p0g0> You wouldn't even need a laser for that, a bright lamp and pinhole/tube/lens would do.
[05:40:38] <XXCoder> led for far better control range
[05:40:51] <XXCoder> expecially if pwm type so you can get really dim led without it turning off
[05:41:27] <p0g0> Its not an uncommon bit of art to see a wall painted with emulsion, then a long exposure slide projector with a negative to make the image.
[05:41:56] <p0g0> The rest is just plain old developing/fixing/washing.
[05:42:23] <p0g0> If you are old enough to have worked in a B&W darkroom, it would be standard stuff.
[05:42:50] <XXCoder> i wasnt lol my bro went to bw photography class
[05:43:04] <p0g0> He'd get right on it then.
[05:44:21] <p0g0> My dad was a "light sensitive compounds" guy, films, photoconductors, etc. I sort of grew up in a darkroom.
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[05:48:44] <p0g0> Stuff like this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com
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[05:49:23] <XXCoder> interesting!
[05:49:31] <XXCoder> so it turns into bw photo on anything?
[05:49:48] <p0g0> yes, more or less.
[05:50:07] <p0g0> If the surface wicks a lot or such, you might have issues
[05:50:36] <p0g0> But what you know about paint sort of covers it.
[05:50:50] <XXCoder> ohh i have an idea
[05:50:59] <p0g0> It wants to be a uniform top surface.
[05:51:05] <XXCoder> paint a sphere, and cnc to rotate it around
[05:51:14] <p0g0> yes.
[05:51:19] <XXCoder> add laser or led that can focus to a very small dot
[05:51:31] <XXCoder> heavily protected against scatter
[05:52:04] <XXCoder> plenty of foam spheres I wonder if can just do primer then some form of paint that can hold that chemical well
[05:52:11] <p0g0> I had an art teacher that used photo emulsions like that on a silk screen, as a mask- then he'd screen glazes onto ceramics and fire them- 10k year grade images.
[05:52:25] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:53:12] <p0g0> It was amazing stuff really, monochrome, but great detail. And that ceramic really could last for thousands of years.
[05:53:46] <XXCoder> i joked often about people in far future thinking that we worshipped weird shaped symbols
[05:53:51] <p0g0> You may have encountered images like that on tombstones- it was a thing 100 years back.
[05:53:59] <XXCoder> almost always while, has a basin that drains into hole
[05:54:12] <XXCoder> *white
[05:54:53] <p0g0> One vomits as abeyance or prayer?
[05:55:00] <p0g0> I suppose
[05:55:33] <XXCoder> hold on a sec
[05:55:50] <XXCoder> note i made this joke before i read this book but man you probably would love it
[05:55:57] <XXCoder> laughed so much while reading it
[05:56:22] <XXCoder> that is if i can find it
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[06:05:29] <jthornton> morning
[06:06:27] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:06:57] <XXCoder> p0g0: found name
[06:06:58] <XXCoder> motel of the mysteries
[06:07:08] <XXCoder> by David Macaulay
[06:07:21] <XXCoder> its old story so you can download ebook free. its very short read
[06:08:19] <XXCoder> https://sultanaeducation.org
[06:08:24] <XXCoder> 4 pages
[06:08:53] <p0g0> XXCoder, Lots of dystopia out there- the old classic is "A Canticle for Leibowitz"
[06:09:03] <XXCoder> its not dystopia story
[06:09:24] <XXCoder> 4 pages. with images. you'll love it
[06:09:29] <p0g0> Ah, A canticle sure is.
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[06:14:41] <XXCoder> dammit its part of it
[06:14:46] <XXCoder> lemme find complete version
[06:17:58] <XXCoder> http://onlinecampus.fcps.edu found it
[06:18:10] <XXCoder> it has more pictures and are complete. 5 pages anyway
[06:21:43] <p0g0> I get the idea from the 4 pager. Yeah, we'll make some future archaeologist a good puzzle. I hiked around Tikal Guatemala once- the earth does a first rate job of churning and burying stuff- ceramics are about the best thing for the long term data transmission.
[06:21:57] <XXCoder> yeah. but man the final image
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[06:25:11] <p0g0> Ma Bell as a percussion instrument...
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[06:43:19] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be amazing idea really
[06:43:22] <XXCoder> perment display
[06:44:07] <XXCoder> note earlier video he successfully made good one. this video is where he finally does something to failed one
[07:13:48] <jymmmm> good morning
[07:15:08] <XXCoder> hey
[07:20:57] <jymmmm> They don't know, but speculate corona can live outside a host from hours to days. If so, why the fuck are they telling people NOT to wear masks?! HAve they not heard of cross contamination????
[07:22:18] <jymmmm> If it's respritory, then touching an object with your hand then touching your face/mouth, could make you infected. At least a mask would prevent you from inadvertanyl touch yur face
[07:29:18] <XXCoder> jy current research is pretty close now
[07:29:20] <XXCoder> 3 days
[07:29:24] <XXCoder> thats for metal and plastic
[07:29:39] <XXCoder> cardboard 24 hours, copper 4 hours
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[07:36:22] <jymmmm> XXCoder: how about melamine (grocery store cash register) and rubber (credit/debit card keypad)?
[07:36:44] <jymmmm> and aluminum/brass doorknobs and door pulls
[07:36:48] <XXCoder> dunno ill just assume 3 days
[07:37:05] <XXCoder> alum counts as regular metal, while brass dunno since it has copper in it
[07:38:09] <jymmmm> and you say cardboard, but if a person is infected at amazon warehouse, coughs on your box, it ships to you, you have wet hands, can you get infected? I'm suspecting maybe
[07:38:22] <XXCoder> 24 hours sure
[07:38:41] <XXCoder> i just open box expose stuff to air then leave it 3 days and I wash hands very well
[07:38:56] <XXCoder> thats what I did with wires I ordered from china right before coronavirus thing happened
[07:39:26] <jymmmm> If already infected, washing hands isn't gonna help, but disposable gloves will
[07:39:45] <jymmmm> that makes sense XXCoder
[07:39:59] <XXCoder> virus cant get in though skin
[07:40:22] <jymmmm> but, you can cross contaminate by touching your face/mouth
[07:40:43] <XXCoder> hence all that no touchy eyes nose and mouth thing :)
[07:40:55] <XXCoder> I also dont let box touch anytjing like my desk or stuff
[07:40:57] <jymmmm> I've been saying this for years
[07:41:03] <jymmmm> even for the common cold
[07:41:29] <jymmmm> people don't realize how often they touch their face/mouth
[07:41:52] <XXCoder> i dont realize how often because I know how often I do lol
[07:42:09] <XXCoder> if someone in china sneezes cold I get it
[07:42:24] <XXCoder> just so glad im not as sensive to other stuff lol
[07:42:30] <jymmmm> yeah
[07:42:53] <jymmmm> and hand sanitizer is NOT a substiture for soap and water
[07:43:08] <jymmmm> it's just a stop gap
[07:43:30] <XXCoder> at wo5rk I just use soap and water till I am ready to go home, then I wash hands then sanitize it and go out without touching anything else
[07:45:17] <jymmmm> santize your hands how?
[07:45:32] <XXCoder> hand sanitizer
[07:45:34] <XXCoder> what else? heh
[07:45:53] <jymmmm> you do not need alcohol hand santizer if you use soap and water
[07:46:05] <XXCoder> it was just in case thing
[07:46:23] <XXCoder> one guy at work constantly use it lol
[07:46:27] <XXCoder> I mean it
[07:47:07] <jymmmm> There was a epidemic in a 3rd world country doctros with our borders. they used hand santizer constantly. Hand they just washed their hands it would have killed the infection
[07:47:16] <jymmmm> had*
[07:48:01] <jymmmm> Alcohol is just a stop gap until you can wash your hands with soap and water.
[07:50:18] <jymmmm> XXCoder: Oh, since you asked, 1/4th bleach, 3/4th water in a spray bottle =)
[07:50:47] <jymmmm> That WILL kill it and sterlize =)
[07:55:11] <XXCoder> lol work have santitizer auto mixer now
[07:55:15] <XXCoder> hospital grade
[07:56:42] <jymmmm> on the wall?
[07:56:58] <jymmmm> dispenser you mean?
[07:56:59] <XXCoder> yeah hose to sink for water
[07:57:56] <jymmmm> Huh? I don't understand. Hospitals have alcohol hand santizers hangn on the walls everywhere
[07:58:10] <XXCoder> i dont work at hospital :)
[07:58:29] <jymmmm> I know, but what do you mean hose to sink?
[07:59:07] <XXCoder> its a auto mixer, oit gets water from sink and mixes in precise amount of chemical to make it into santizer that you pour into sprayers
[07:59:43] <jymmmm> Hmmm, never heard of it
[08:00:44] <jymmmm> XXCoder: and what is it sprayed on?
[08:01:01] <XXCoder> something like, but not same as this https://lh3.googleusercontent.com
[08:01:26] <XXCoder> sprayed on all metals and everything else to keep it serlete. we get a lot of metals from china
[08:01:41] <XXCoder> but alsomany other places thats ponentally infectious.
[08:01:42] <jymmmm> Ah ok, that one is used in a bar
[08:01:52] <XXCoder> it lasts longer on metals after all. days.
[08:02:12] <jymmmm> it's metal, just torch it, =)
[08:02:17] <XXCoder> company had a scare when someone was coughing a lot and they send him home
[08:02:22] <XXCoder> it wasnt coronavirus but yeah
[08:02:50] <jymmmm> Well, at least they are taking measures
[08:02:59] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:03:05] <XXCoder> compare it to amazon
[08:03:13] <XXCoder> they dont even test workers for coronavirus
[08:03:22] <jymmmm> I still say torch the metal with a weed torch
[08:03:33] <XXCoder> lol
[08:03:39] <jymmmm> I'm serious
[08:03:54] <jymmmm> a lot more effective that a liquid solution
[08:04:13] <jymmmm> that may or may not cover every sq mm
[08:04:16] <XXCoder> i know. just that thats simply not a solution
[08:04:24] <XXCoder> we have too many metals.
[08:04:36] <jymmmm> and sparting them is more effective?
[08:04:39] <jymmmm> spraying*
[08:04:51] <XXCoder> sure as you can spray em as you run
[08:05:11] <jymmmm> Eh, it's all about contact time.
[08:05:31] <XXCoder> honestly I dont bother.
[08:05:45] <XXCoder> i just dont make my fingers friends with my eyes nose and mouth
[08:05:49] <jymmmm> Even using bleach, yu need a one minute contact time with the surface
[08:06:17] <jymmmm> ...to kill bugs
[08:07:39] <jymmmm> Sorry for all this ranting, but the WHO and CDC just pissing me off witht he BS information they are giving out.
[08:07:51] <XXCoder> like what?
[08:08:05] <jymmmm> They are not telling peopl abut bleach as example
[08:08:21] <jymmmm> promoting alcohol over soap
[08:09:04] <XXCoder> bleach unfortnately is bit outdated as bunch of germs can live though that
[08:09:07] <XXCoder> viruses too
[08:09:07] <jymmmm> telling people not to wear masks, etc
[08:09:21] <jymmmm> since when?
[08:09:35] <XXCoder> work one isnt bleach but more modern more powerful one
[08:09:35] <jymmmm> Like I said, it's about contact time.
[08:09:57] <XXCoder> since evolution was invented by god lol
[08:10:17] <jymmmm> Name one that bleach isn't effect against?
[08:10:35] <XXCoder> its been a long time since i read that
[08:10:49] <XXCoder> did some research when I was told not to use bleach at old job
[08:11:09] <jymmmm> Well, they might have not liked the smell
[08:11:25] <XXCoder> from what i understood whatever chemical it was smelled worse
[08:11:28] <rmu|w> i want to see the superbug that survives bleach
[08:11:39] <XXCoder> just dont drink bleach!
[08:11:42] <jymmmm> EVERYTHING the CDC is suggesting is either bleach or ammonia based.
[08:12:01] <jymmmm> and the list is 24 pages long
[08:12:25] <jymmmm> and gawd help the person that treis to use both at the same time
[08:12:43] <rmu|w> it's unlikely that resistance develops against bleach or iodine
[08:12:46] <XXCoder> if you want to drink bleach please add some ammonia with it
[08:12:54] <XXCoder> you will never get sick again
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[08:13:10] <jymmmm> OH and hyrogem peroxide based, but they didn't say the consentration
[08:13:10] <XXCoder> no, I kid that's death
[08:13:20] <jymmmm> I doubt it's consumer grade
[08:13:44] <jymmmm> Lastly was ozone
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[08:14:55] <jthornton> sodium hypochlorite is used by most water treatment plants to purify the water
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[08:15:09] <jymmmm> I know cryprosprium (sp) isn't effected by bleach, but it's so large that it can be filtered out
[08:15:46] <jthornton> we had a problem with an injection pump on a rig I worked on and too much sodium hypochlorite will make you not want to drink the water lol
[08:16:03] <XXCoder> fun heh
[08:16:42] <rmu|w> cryprosprium?
[08:16:57] <jymmmm> jthornton: Sodium hypochlorite (bleach) or calcuim hypochlorite ?
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[08:17:32] <jthornton> <jthornton> sodium hypochlorite is used by most water treatment plants to purify the water
[08:18:29] <jymmmm> XXCoder: Cryptosporidium
[08:18:43] <XXCoder> ok
[08:18:56] <p0g0> fwiw, UV
[08:19:06] <p0g0> if you have the lamps
[08:19:08] <XXCoder> the skin damaging uv-c
[08:19:23] <XXCoder> if i remember name of that range of uv anyway
[08:19:33] <jymmmm> jthornton: Yes, I read, but calcuim hypochlorite has twice the hypochlorite is why I was asking for clarification.
[08:19:36] <p0g0> UV+O3 for the aerosol version of the Piranha Solution (see wikipedia)
[08:19:47] <p0g0> oh yeah, no lookie
[08:19:58] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[08:20:06] <p0g0> It's way wrong for your eyes
[08:20:11] <XXCoder> that thing is dangerous as hell
[08:20:28] <p0g0> But if you have a closet/ etc and want a pervasive antibiota.
[08:21:12] <XXCoder> yep uv-c
[08:21:24] <p0g0> I am not suggesting anything for things that you want to stay alive, just things you want to kill
[08:21:45] <p0g0> so, not fit at all for plants/pets/people
[08:22:11] <XXCoder> i hope that guy wore goggles
[08:22:28] <p0g0> But reactive oxidative species (RAS) rob carbon efficiently
[08:23:09] * SpeedEvil has a UVC tube on order.
[08:23:12] <p0g0> It'll peel your paint
[08:23:32] <SpeedEvil> For package /grocery decontamination.
[08:23:33] <p0g0> (the UV)
[08:23:58] <jymmmm> SpeedEvil: You probably have a protoplasma ray gun on order too
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[08:24:46] <p0g0> eh ROS, my typos are getting bad today
[08:24:47] <jymmmm> SpeedEvil: you building a little light proof chamber for it too?
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[08:27:37] <SpeedEvil> jymmmm: That, and not bothering being in the room at the same time
[08:27:51] <XXCoder> video later on he says hes not staring at light and are wearing goggles. good.
[08:28:02] <XXCoder> risking blindness is dumb
[08:28:15] <SpeedEvil> UVC is really good at giving you skin cancer too.
[08:28:22] <SpeedEvil> Not just eye issues.
[08:28:42] <XXCoder> well I have 3 "major" senses left. sight does everything basically
[08:28:49] <XXCoder> so of course im concerned with eyes first ;)
[08:29:05] <SpeedEvil> Skin is important.
[08:29:17] <XXCoder> skin cancer is most curable one of all
[08:29:24] <XXCoder> 95%+ cure rate
[08:30:08] <p0g0> yeah, still, you don't want to be illuminated. Full Stop.
[08:30:20] <XXCoder> indeed
[08:30:27] <XXCoder> if i wanted to use it for my room, for example
[08:30:38] <p0g0> use an extension cord, and don't plug it in until you are out of LOS
[08:30:42] <XXCoder> I would shut my eyes when standing outside my room with small gap so I can turn it in
[08:30:44] <XXCoder> on
[08:30:49] <XXCoder> close right after
[08:31:03] <SpeedEvil> Best kind of cancer to have is one you die with, not of. (research found for example 80% or so of corpses had thyroid tumors for example. Just irrelevant ones.
[08:31:08] <XXCoder> wait maybe a minute? dunno then close eyes again nd turn it off right after
[08:31:28] <p0g0> radioactive iodine works too
[08:31:38] <p0g0> for the thyroid
[08:31:49] <p0g0> but that's sort of a non-issue here
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[08:32:17] <p0g0> anyway, off to wander in the UV laden sunlight
[08:32:20] <p0g0> l8r all
[08:32:37] <SpeedEvil> I would quite like a powerful gamma source for irradiating stuff.
[08:33:32] <XXCoder> block of plutoium with barriers against wrong types of radation? heh
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[08:36:36] <rmu|w> SpeedEvil: it's time for open source build-at-home free electron laser
[08:36:51] <SpeedEvil> Everyone should have a free electron LASER.
[08:36:56] <XXCoder> free electron laser interesting
[08:36:59] <SpeedEvil> I mean, they're free. It's in the name.
[08:38:18] <XXCoder> what bullshit
[08:38:24] <SpeedEvil> Pascalisation is a neat technology too.
[08:38:28] <XXCoder> tons of videos explaining about it and none showing it
[08:38:51] <SpeedEvil> - proteins denature at 60000PSI or so, deforming and damaging bacteria and viruses.
[08:39:32] <SpeedEvil> Fun part is being able to do it in a vessel more than an inch across.
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[08:42:23] <rmu|w> 340MPa
[08:42:33] <rmu|w> a lot
[08:43:34] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[08:43:52] <SpeedEvil> The raw chamber is sort-of-doable.
[08:44:00] <SpeedEvil> The seals are rather more annoying.
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[08:48:50] <rmu|w> https://en.wikipedia.org
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[08:49:56] <rmu|w> not quite in the gamma regime yet, but sufficient to strip all elements of most of their electrons
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[08:54:34] <sync> UV-C cleaning of surfaces is really neat
[08:55:10] <sync> it will blaze greases right off stuff
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[09:07:00] <gregcnc> interesting they are used in kitchen hoods. i don't think I've ever seen it, or it's not obvious
[09:15:08] <_unreal_> I have a UV sterilizing wand battery powered somewhere
[09:15:53] <SpeedEvil> If it's not UVC it's mostly useless.
[09:16:04] <SpeedEvil> If it is UVC it is actively dangerous.
[09:16:28] <SpeedEvil> The reason UV gives you skin cancer is the same reason it kills bacteria/viruses. (inactivates)
[09:16:41] <_unreal_> its uvc
[09:16:54] <_unreal_> and you have to ware glasses when using it
[09:16:59] <_unreal_> wear
[09:17:02] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[09:17:22] <_unreal_> recomends long sleeves and pants
[09:17:41] <_unreal_> its for home cleaning
[09:18:05] <_unreal_> wave it over beds sinks bath room areas what ever
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[09:26:58] <SpeedEvil> https://sci-hub.se - gives 100J/m^2 UVC as killing 99% of various viruses. Extrapolating the curve, 200J should be good for at least 99.99%
[09:29:12] <_unreal_> ! I should be designing and milling corona MONSTER drink coasters :)
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[10:11:27] <sync> gregcnc: most of the hood UVC systems are in commercial ones
[10:11:42] <sync> as it will break down the smells and keep the fats liquid
[10:11:54] <sync> so they just drain out or are just blown out
[10:15:38] <jymmmm> SpeedEvil: Over what duration? an hour exposure?
[10:15:55] <SpeedEvil> To a first approximation, it doesn't matter.
[10:16:08] <SpeedEvil> Unless you appreciably heat the surface layer.
[10:16:28] <SpeedEvil> The viruses are not replicating, and have no repair mechanism, so it's the same if it's a second or a week.
[10:16:30] <jymmmm> SpeedEvil: I mean the uvc bulb you ordered
[10:17:01] <jymmmm> I'm doubting it's "instant"
[10:17:41] <SpeedEvil> Oh. 18W*2, so about that would treat 1m^2 in conservatively 20s.
[10:18:33] <jymmmm> That's it? 20s? I'd think at least 60s to 5m for a whole room
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[10:20:29] <SpeedEvil> 1m^2 is not a whole room.
[10:20:37] <gregcnc> how much damage does the ozone do?
[10:21:35] <SpeedEvil> Overnight could treat 1000m^2, but only if it was clean and not reflected. 50m^2 maybe really?
[10:21:54] <SpeedEvil> I have not investigated that as I don't care, as I'm not using it for large volumes.
[10:22:03] <jymmmm> SpeedEvil: gotcha
[10:22:10] <jymmmm> gregcnc: very effecive
[10:22:36] <jymmmm> so says the CDC
[10:34:29] <_unreal_> freaking amazing I cant find a single tape measure
[10:39:14] <SpeedEvil> For your average 8*8cm tape measure, take the floor area of your house/workspace, and multiply the area by 100, and buy that number of tape measures.
[10:42:19] <jymmmm> Pffff, I got mine free from HF, so there's at least one every 6ft
[10:47:10] <unterhaus_> there is a lab on campus that decided to solve the tape measure problem by buying a large bucket full
[10:47:18] <unterhaus_> the bucket is almost always empty
[10:47:31] <SpeedEvil> Glue tape measures to the desks.
[10:48:24] <unterhaus_> the real problem is that tape measures are like chameleons, they blend it
[10:49:00] <unterhaus_> but if you stand very still and don't look for a tape measure, one will appear
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[11:19:18] <skunkworks> we have the same problem.. also with pens volt meters and flashlight
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[11:28:04] <_unreal_> fewwww that got hot. I was desoldering parts
[11:28:13] <_unreal_> refering to the hot air station
[11:28:22] <_unreal_> took a bit at full power to remove a few of the parts
[11:28:24] <_unreal_> M'f'ers
[11:29:07] <_unreal_> ok time to hunt for the @#$@#$ tape measure again
[11:34:08] <p0g0> gregcnc: O3 is hard on some things, steel & rubber, for example. I can link you to tables of material tolerance, but you could just search for them too, they are common enough on the web. You are not likely to make a lot of O3 in a hurry (you can if you really try), so it is more a question of long exposure. Finding elastomers that are O3 tolerant takes a little study, but they are out there (eg: viton). O3 basically degrades to H2O2 and does that
[11:34:08] <p0g0> fairly quickly, what UV, even the longer wavelengths, does to O3 is that it promotes the degradation. Modest UV exposure nails 99% of ambient O3, which briefly becomes O and O2, but the O is just behind Fluorine for charge density, so it tends to bond Very Fast, and the most common reaction product is H2O2 (but it might get lucky and meet something besides water). So, damage really depends on how much, how long, and what material.
[11:34:56] <gregcnc> right exactly what i was referring to, but I don't know how that equates to real world
[11:37:15] <p0g0> I use a UV + O3 regime to treat water, the O3 concentration is low, but even that will corrode steel pretty quickly. I had a common aquarium air pump manifold fail in a couple of months- steel that just got Swiss Cheesed.
[11:38:05] <p0g0> viton, PEX, teflon... those all persist well enough to be practical.
[11:40:43] <p0g0> I use a viton elastomer in the air/O3 pump to entrain the O3 into water, then zap that with UV and "air strip" the water- it takes recirculation to clear all the carbon, but it works too.
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[12:05:55] <_unreal_> ok guess its time to design a cap holder
[12:06:19] <_unreal_> you know I'm blown away how I could not find the caps I needed on line for anything less then $80
[12:06:33] <_unreal_> and no sooner had I ordered them. then I find the caps in the dumpters at work :/
[12:08:38] <_unreal_> I just dont understand why I could not find on line the caps I needed
[12:08:51] <_unreal_> now I'm googling and I'm finding a shit load on line as well for next to nothing
[12:10:02] <Tom_L> patience
[12:14:57] <_unreal_> ARG..
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[12:35:56] <jymmmm> Are stores intentionally NOT selling N95 masks? On amazon barely anything comes up
[12:38:23] <SpeedEvil> Everyone bought them, listings pulled.
[12:38:48] <jymmmm> Hmmm
[12:38:50] <SpeedEvil> I note as an aside I checked my favoirites (purchased items) list on my online grocery store. Out of 197 items, 93 are unavailable.
[12:40:21] <jymmmm> eeeesh
[12:40:54] <jymmmm> I REALLY rather not wear my p95 half mask
[12:42:03] <jymmmm> then I would sound like Darth Vader =)
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[12:42:21] <Tom_L> https://www.forbes.com
[12:42:26] <Tom_L> jymmmm, make your own
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[12:43:57] <jymmmm> Tom_L I can't view that page plus n 3d printer
[12:52:58] <_unreal_> jymmmm, this corona virus is one of the lowest infection rates going around the world and the media is pretending its "28 days later"
[12:53:40] <jymmmm> Lowest? where do you get that from?
[12:53:41] <_unreal_> usa has 200 something now DEAD in 3 months
[12:53:49] <_unreal_> jymmmm, CDC web site
[12:54:15] <_unreal_> h1n1 killed tens of thousands in weeks
[12:54:16] <SpeedEvil> Spell Exponential and use it in a sentance.
[12:54:21] <jymmmm> that doens't make senseee
[12:54:30] <_unreal_> and infected MILLIONS around the world in just weeks
[12:54:54] <_unreal_> jymmmm, look up h1n1, look up sars look up ETC.....
[12:54:55] <jymmmm> but didn't cause a complete shutdown like corona has
[12:55:06] <_unreal_> the numbers are so PATHETICLY off
[12:55:12] <_unreal_> bs
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[12:55:28] <gregcnc> world is quite different today
[12:55:31] <_unreal_> jymmmm, I use to work for the world leader in bio medial research the Jackson lab www.jax.org
[12:55:34] <_unreal_> I use to be a nurse
[12:55:37] <_unreal_> I use to be a med tech
[12:55:40] <_unreal_> and the list goes on
[12:55:52] <Tom_L> yeah, viruses spread over the internet like wildfire :)
[12:55:58] <SpeedEvil> Did you used to be an adventurer?
[12:56:11] <_unreal_> I'm getting endless requests to go back to nursing right now by mail
[12:56:15] <Tom_L> oh... not that kind of virus
[12:56:18] <jymmmm> That doesn't change the fact that no other pandemic has shut down things like this has.
[12:56:32] <_unreal_> ahhhh people shut stuff down
[12:56:42] <_unreal_> the FEW are controlling the masses
[12:57:09] <_unreal_> there is something like 500,000 cases of corona virus world wide so far
[12:57:20] <jymmmm> as always
[12:57:25] <_unreal_> H1N1 was millions
[12:57:32] <_unreal_> where was the out range
[12:57:33] <_unreal_> rage
[12:57:54] <SpeedEvil> H1N1 was in the millions when it got into the millions.
[12:58:08] <SpeedEvil> Look at the response to it and the deaths when the cases were in the 300K range.
[12:58:11] <_unreal_> jymmmm, if you believe ANY OF this bs I'm sorry for you
[12:58:25] <_unreal_> SpeedEvil, there was a responce?
[12:58:42] <_unreal_> Oh thats right obama was pres. nothing to see here move along
[12:59:34] <_unreal_> jymmmm, you CAN NOT claim that this crona bs is the end of the world that the media is claiming it to be. the numbers are so patheticly off its scary
[12:59:45] <gregcnc> https://www.cdc.gov
[13:00:06] <gregcnc> "On May 4, 2009, CDC shifted from reporting confirmed cases of 2009 H1N1 to reporting both confirmed and probable cases of 2009 H1N1. At that point, more than 98% of “probable” flu virus samples were testing positive for 2009 H1N1, indicating the ever-growing scale of the outbreak"
[13:00:26] <gregcnc> it seems like 10% are testing positive for covid19
[13:01:20] <_unreal_> as I said the covid/crona virus is BS
[13:01:38] <_unreal_> and there are a lot of people loosing there shirts right now over it
[13:01:40] <_unreal_> $
[13:01:56] <_unreal_> has nothing to do with the health issue. its trying to crash trumps economy
[13:02:03] <_unreal_> election year
[13:03:11] <_unreal_> you'll also notice that every DEM. governer has taken the most over reaching "measures"
[13:03:29] <_unreal_> wait till this nov. its going to be the greatest land slide victory for rep. in history
[13:04:43] <_unreal_> not to mention the MEDIA blamed "right fully so" FOR ONCE china for the outbreak. then tried to blame trump for the out break. OOPS china got the rap not trump..
[13:06:01] <_unreal_> so jymmmm how can you have half a milling cases of something world wide. currently AFTER MONTHS. when few years ago we had 10's of milloins in the USA alone sick with past out breaks in just weeks
[13:06:09] <_unreal_> and NO omg responce.
[13:07:49] <_unreal_> there are "" paid "" scientist going on cnn etc... claiming there are going to be millions dead. EXCUSE ME I use to work for the world leader in bio research. I'm publish with them from my projects working for them..... you DONT claim anything that you dont know on an event that your still recording information on. its bio research #1. Had I done that I'd have been fired on the spot.
[13:08:33] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com
[13:08:59] <SpeedEvil> It is neat how much more regular and not buckled the current variant of SpaceXs production is than the first model.
[13:09:36] <SpeedEvil> Only very minor shrinkage at the weld joins, compared to the original, and much better surface quality. 3-4mm stainless steel 303 mostly.
[13:10:00] <_unreal_> SpeedEvil, wish I could go there and look but its a 3hr drive from me :(
[13:10:06] <_unreal_> north
[13:10:11] <_unreal_> i'm in way south florida
[13:11:18] <SpeedEvil> And they're actually building them on the 'what if we setup a line that can do >>>10/year' basis. Rather than 'this one must be perfect and will cost two billion dollars.'
[13:12:06] <_unreal_> hehe
[13:12:19] <_unreal_> 10k check rate got to make sure its good.
[13:12:28] <_unreal_> why did it break? oh you touch it 10k times
[13:12:29] <_unreal_> LOL
[13:15:21] <_unreal_> I'm assumign jymmmm is doing research right now or that guy is full of it and the media must be believed and knowns alll hehe
[13:46:45] <rmu|w> _unreal_: northern italy deployed the military to get rid of the dead. local funeral homes are overwhelmed.
[13:47:37] <rmu|w> _unreal_: surely that is because of a sinister chinese fake virus designed to rid trump of his rightful place in office
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[13:56:04] <gregcnc> https://www.livescience.com
[14:08:18] <p0g0> _unreal_, I'm going with the latter assumption.
[14:08:55] <p0g0> Not the media part, the middle bit.
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[14:12:48] <skunkworks> rmu|w: that is 'i am sure' fake news.
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[14:27:14] <_unreal_> arg... ve7it isnt on
[14:27:23] <_unreal_> I just got my motor controllers mounted to the heat sink finally
[14:27:39] <_unreal_> I still need to put the isolators etc.. bs on which I have not bothered to do yet but I'll get to it
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[14:28:41] <_unreal_> rmu|w, over 5,000 people die every day from the common cold. THAT is a fact
[14:28:55] <_unreal_> around the world
[14:29:51] <_unreal_> rmu|w, that BLOWS this crona bs out of the water by many 10's of times
[14:30:28] <infornography> Corona 2: electric boogaloo
[14:30:46] <_unreal_> more peole die from gun shot murders around the world in just a few days then have die from this virus
[14:30:55] <_unreal_> its such a mole hill its funny
[14:30:59] <gregcnc> Rand Paul tested positive, Merkel's dr tested positive
[14:31:27] <CaptHindsight> how much alcohol can I drink before it suppresses my immune system?
[14:31:49] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight, i worked with a guy that couldn't work sober
[14:32:19] <_unreal_> CaptHindsight, I dont think your body can handle that level of consumption
[14:32:28] <Rab> CaptHindsight, any quantity, I suspect.
[14:32:30] <Tom_L> you need to build it up over time though
[14:32:34] <_unreal_> ! though I could be wrong
[14:32:36] <Tom_L> and time isn't on your side right now
[14:32:37] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: not to rare with alcoholics
[14:32:52] <gregcnc> there will be a whiskey shortage as distillers turn to making hand sanitizer
[14:33:04] <_unreal_> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[14:33:09] <Tom_L> gregcnc, never... there's always moonshine
[14:33:24] <gregcnc> people will be bathing in it though
[14:33:28] <_unreal_> ! i SUDDENLY want a capt n coke
[14:33:41] <CaptHindsight> had sanitizer already costs more than scotch
[14:33:42] <_unreal_> I hear a wine bath is good for you
[14:33:55] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight, not if you look around
[14:33:55] <CaptHindsight> had/hand
[14:34:13] <Tom_L> sure there are those that are trying to rape you for it
[14:34:16] <CaptHindsight> I really haven't looked
[14:34:37] <_unreal_> my boss lass week was gloating about selling TP for $20 a roll on ebay
[14:34:46] <Tom_L> i did have a guy going door to door selling it. i didn't answer the door
[14:35:11] <CaptHindsight> just TP or a full wiping service?
[14:35:30] <CaptHindsight> like chimney sweeps
[14:35:30] <_unreal_> Had I not been dealing with the worst BS job at work I've had to do in years I might have tried to find some to do the same thing :(
[14:35:31] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com
[14:35:49] <_unreal_> had to grind a large number of sections
[14:36:29] <_unreal_> in a fuel tank
[14:36:43] <_unreal_> stuck late every day for a week. got home feeling off
[14:36:49] <Rab> _unreal_, the yacht business must be in the toilet if your boss is fussing over $20 scams.
[14:37:06] <_unreal_> 20yo luxury yacht with a 25' long central fuel tank
[14:37:24] <_unreal_> Rab, we are drowning in work
[14:37:28] <_unreal_> even right now
[14:37:41] <_unreal_> in fact we have been giving work away to other companies because we dont have the staff
[14:37:52] <_unreal_> :/
[14:38:11] <Rab> Haha, guess the wealthy are fleeing to the high seas.
[14:38:45] <_unreal_> no...
[14:39:08] <_unreal_> rather there are a huge number of boats comming into the marina to be dry docked on the HARD for major work.
[14:40:31] <_unreal_> LMC is at record levels
[14:41:06] <jymmmm> gregcnc: https://www.amazon.com
[14:47:31] <rmu|w> italy is not fake news, and this is additional dead on top of what they usually have. in lombardy they have about 6-8 times as much dead as usually.
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[14:54:37] <gregcnc> cases/population is high in italy, but switzerland is not far behind
[14:55:50] <_unreal_> all the high case count areas are also statistically the most visited by chines tourists
[14:55:59] <_unreal_> I'm sorry chines bio terrests
[14:56:02] <_unreal_> lol
[14:57:08] <pcw_home> cases/pop is more an indication of where you are on the curve, not really that significant, where the inflection point is is what matters
[14:57:42] <gregcnc> sure, but why is italy so bad? did they ignore it?
[14:58:39] <pcw_home> They may have had a head start with many tourists, but the shape of the curve is the important thing
[14:59:23] <rmu|w> _unreal_: italy stopped chinese tourists in january IIRC
[14:59:40] <rmu|w> _unreal_: we have some chinese tourism hotspots in austria too (hallstatt), no problems there
[14:59:47] <gregcnc> the shape of the curve only determine how fast its' spreading. In theory how well infrastructure can deal with it.
[14:59:57] <gregcnc> the curve will flatten eventually no matter what
[15:00:09] <pcw_home> italy has a handle on it (if you look at log (cases))
[15:00:42] <pcw_home> USA not so much :-(
[15:01:03] <gregcnc> we won't know for another week
[15:01:42] <_unreal_> pcw_home, usa not so much? there are just over 200 dead in the USA in 3 months
[15:01:53] <_unreal_> 200 NATION wide
[15:01:55] <rmu|w> if USA doesn't ramp up testing you will not know anything for sure
[15:02:02] <_unreal_> more people die from gun shot EVERY DAY
[15:02:04] <_unreal_> LOL
[15:02:14] <_unreal_> bs
[15:02:56] <pcw_home> Yeah NY is pretty bad, not sure when they instituted
[15:03:04] <CaptHindsight> well if anyone is still around in a few months RTAI has updates, openCV for auto alignment will be working, more SVG to tool paths or raster will be working
[15:03:13] <pcw_home> social distancing
[15:03:19] <CaptHindsight> looks like the Mint ISO is coming along well
[15:03:20] <rmu|w> estimated mortality of 0,1% is not a trivial number @ 20% of 300mio americans
[15:03:40] <rmu|w> that will get infected AT LEAST. more probably around 60%
[15:04:08] <_unreal_> rmu|w, what bs sars, H1N1 were in the 10's of thousands DEAD in just a few weeks
[15:04:13] <_unreal_> in the USA alone
[15:04:13] <rmu|w> and mortality could be as high as 3% or even more
[15:04:25] <CaptHindsight> 320M x 0.6 x 0.02 =
[15:04:27] <_unreal_> where was the out rage
[15:04:48] <Tom_L> they seem to be following the guidelines here pretty well
[15:04:53] <Tom_L> i was kindof surprised
[15:04:54] <rmu|w> SARS 2002/2003 was around 800 dead worldwide
[15:05:13] <_unreal_> BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[15:05:20] <pcw_home> covid109 has at least 10x and maybe 100X the mortality rate of H1N1
[15:05:26] <_unreal_> rmu|w, go look at the CDC web site
[15:05:38] <_unreal_> YOUR NUMBERS ARE way off
[15:05:48] <pcw_home> Look at log (cases)
[15:05:54] <pcw_home> not good
[15:05:56] <rmu|w> _unreal_: that number is from josef penninger who was a researcher in toronto at that time
[15:06:17] <rmu|w> _unreal_: wikipedia seems to agree
[15:06:27] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Bring out your dead (Monty Python)
[15:06:58] <rmu|w> _unreal_: apeiron biotech
[15:07:18] <rmu|w> sorry s/biotech/biologics/
[15:08:34] <_unreal_> https://www.cdc.gov
[15:09:28] <rmu|w> _unreal_: so 12500 dead in one year with a population of 360mio
[15:09:51] <rmu|w> _unreal_: italy has 5000 dead in 2 weeks with a population of 60mio
[15:10:09] <pcw_home> and the US is doing less than Italy
[15:10:34] <jymmmm> ITaly just had 400+ dead in 24 hours this week
[15:10:48] <rmu|w> jymmmm: yesterday nearly 800
[15:10:59] <jymmmm> rmu|w: ouch =(
[15:11:00] <rmu|w> today it is around 600
[15:12:34] <pcw_home> 98 dead today in US and ramping up
[15:13:20] <CaptHindsight> Mr T just wants us to win high score
[15:13:27] <pcw_home> social distancing in CA and NY should help
[15:14:05] <pcw_home> Yep we will likely beat Italy in # cases is less than a week
[15:14:17] <pcw_home> and China in 2
[15:14:31] <jymmmm> pcw_home: in reported infections you mean?
[15:14:45] <jymmmm> China had zero new cases yesterday I believe
[15:15:32] <pcw_home> yes so it is possible to get a handle on it if you act quickly
[15:15:55] <gregcnc> north korea say they haven't had any...
[15:15:58] <CaptHindsight> it is likely that we will have a to wait a few months to see more accurate numbers since some countries tend to fudge them
[15:16:11] <CaptHindsight> control the narrative
[15:16:32] <_unreal_> CaptHindsight, you dont think "" china "" would fudge anynumbers do you ;)
[15:16:33] <jymmmm> pcw_home: you have it worse being in the Bay Area with population denisty being 9000 per sq mile, NAtional avg is 1500 per sq mile.
[15:17:23] <CaptHindsight> can't count tests that didn't happen
[15:17:57] <pcw_home> Not sure if population density is as important as number of social contacts
[15:18:27] <_unreal_> pcw_home, THAT I agree with
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[15:19:08] <CaptHindsight> new categories: Shared tooth brush, shook hands, sneezed nearby, waved from across the street, IRC only
[15:25:31] <rmu|w> _unreal_: what does it cost in US to get tested?
[15:25:47] <_unreal_> how should I know
[15:26:44] <rmu|w> I assumed you are in the US?
[15:28:01] <_unreal_> I have no intrest in getting tested. I have not researched it ETC..
[15:28:44] <jdh> it would cost nothing. if you could get tested. which seems unlikely
[15:28:53] <rmu|w> so US numbers are fudged too
[15:28:57] <_unreal_> SWEET IT FITS PERFECT
[15:29:17] <_unreal_> my part I just cut fits into my case flawless
[15:29:46] <_unreal_> I have but to drill a few holes and tap a few holes to mount my my over sized soup can caps
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[15:31:27] <Javabean> rmu|w: best i can tell you https://kvia.com no cheap
[15:31:42] <Javabean> s/"no cheap"/"not cheap"
[15:32:05] <_unreal_> Personally I think china just needs to be banned from visiting the world during flu season
[15:32:15] <_unreal_> problem solved
[15:33:28] <rmu|w> MERS didn't originate in china
[15:34:00] <Tom_L> yeah you can't blame them for _everything_
[15:34:02] <rmu|w> and following trumps "chinese virus" rhetoric, china says the virus was introduced by us american soldiers competing in some kind of fitness event in wuhan
[15:35:10] <Javabean> the first "showings" of this viral infection were in november, in hubei province(which contains wuhan)
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[15:39:01] <_unreal_> rmu|w, the corona virus comes from bats
[15:39:19] <_unreal_> its a known fact that chines eat bats in some areas. old traditions
[15:39:33] <_unreal_> veegee, sup
[15:39:34] <rmu|w> _unreal_: bat bites soldier, soldier is infected
[15:39:36] <_unreal_> ve7it,
[15:40:02] <_unreal_> ve7it, I got the drivers mounted to my heat sink
[15:40:16] <_unreal_> ve7it, question for ya
[15:41:10] <_unreal_> I'm going to use an active cooling on the heat sink. I'm mounting all 3.1 drivers onto the heat sink. and I'm going to put a lid over the heat sink with active cooling sourcing from the middle
[15:41:45] <_unreal_> any worries of over heat production? also the heat sink its self will be in tight contact with the metal box enclosure.
[15:41:55] <_unreal_> I dont think I have any heat disipation issue
[15:42:02] <_unreal_> especially with active cooling
[15:43:38] <ve7it> you wont really know until you get the machine moving.... Your motors are not a high current draw, so unless they are stalled or oscillating they will not be drawing much current
[15:44:27] <_unreal_> and I'm running threaded rod so the motors shouldnt have a lot of constant torque issues. the threaded rod should take it
[15:45:03] <_unreal_> I am going to have to do something about the X motor though. not right now but sooner or later
[15:45:47] <_unreal_> also ve7it any thoughts on what STEP rate I could get out of the PAR port? I'm going to switch to a mesa driver. but I just took over my fathers mortgage so $$ is less liquid
[15:45:56] <_unreal_> til I get this machine running :)
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[15:47:44] <ve7it> swag... 20khz.... maybe more as the timing is not critical as with steppers
[15:48:03] <_unreal_> blaaa
[15:48:05] <_unreal_> hehe
[15:48:23] <_unreal_> if I did my numbers right I'm going to need 60khz to run full speed
[15:48:23] <_unreal_> ehhe
[15:48:53] <_unreal_> and full speed is going to be like 800mm/m
[15:49:44] <_unreal_> not fast but VERY torque'y
[15:49:51] <ve7it> you can use the pulse multiplier feature in the drive.... you can make 1 increment on the command equal multiple position encoder counts
[15:49:54] <_unreal_> and high resolution
[15:50:34] <ve7it> mechanically... you probably dont need resolution much higher than 0.001"
[15:50:39] <_unreal_> is that a setting or a feature?
[15:51:00] <_unreal_> ve7it, I forget what my resolution is to be honist
[15:51:07] <_unreal_> not including encoders
[15:51:31] <_unreal_> pulse multiplier is that a command feature or a setting?
[15:51:43] <_unreal_> meaning can it be called or is it an ON/off FEATURE
[15:52:27] <CaptHindsight> "Deadly nanoparticles ruin the lives of 3% that they touch"
[15:53:28] <ve7it> (x)pc cmd multiplier = 3
[15:53:44] <ve7it> set via serial link
[15:54:53] <_unreal_> ve7it, ok did the quick math. the motor has to turn 52 times to move any axis 1"
[15:55:31] <_unreal_> motor gear 12 teeth, main pully 48 teeth, to 1/2-13 TPI
[15:57:17] <_unreal_> ve7it, arg... I still need to get the heat sink isolation setups done on the opamps
[15:57:31] <_unreal_> I have all the parts just a matter of bothering to do it
[15:57:32] <_unreal_> ARG.
[15:57:37] <_unreal_> I dont want to :)
[16:11:14] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what % of people during isolation will study or learn something new?
[16:11:37] * Javabean grumbles
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[16:17:06] <gregcnc> dude it's a vacation
[16:18:10] <SpeedEvil> Today I learned to measure twice and cut once.
[16:18:25] <SpeedEvil> I keep needing to learn this alas.
[16:19:15] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: true, many won't have one again for a while
[16:19:59] <Javabean> many will also get to go on a permanent vacation, as they will be turning in their meatsuit
[16:22:01] <CaptHindsight> visit with past friends and family
[16:22:58] * JT-Shop has been cleaning and sorting out the shops and garage
[16:23:23] <gregcnc> yeah that's what I need to do. i did start
[16:23:24] <JT-Shop> I wish I could go to the scrap yard and sell all the scrap so I'd quit tripping over it
[16:23:42] <JT-Shop> I had to in order to get all the blue vehicles in the garage
[16:28:11] <CaptHindsight> I had customers emailing at 5am
[16:28:18] <CaptHindsight> in the USA
[16:28:31] <CaptHindsight> on Sunday
[16:29:00] <Tom_L> and did you reply?
[16:30:55] <CaptHindsight> i called them back, told them I am asleep and will get back to them later
[16:33:13] <XXCoder> poor red vehicles left out in rain ;)
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[16:52:38] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight, you're in chicago right?
[16:53:36] <Tom_L> looks like Illinois has been shut down
[16:56:24] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: yeah, Stay at Home, 6ft rule
[16:57:21] <CaptHindsight> just about to go for a walk outside, that is still fine plus I'm way out of the city at the edge of corn
[16:59:33] <roycroft> in most places with shelter-in-place, outdoor exercise is still permitted as long as it's solitary
[16:59:49] <roycroft> which direction do you live from downtown?
[17:00:08] <roycroft> where i grew up in illinois i was literally a few blocks from corn fields
[17:00:26] <roycroft> but nobody in my town seemed to be aware of that, because they all worked in chicago
[17:00:39] <roycroft> i am from the south suburbs, right on the will county line
[17:01:14] <roycroft> my neighbors knew the illinois central train schedule by heart, but did not know about the existence of corn fields
[17:02:53] <CaptHindsight> I'm way out in McHenry county, 50 miles from downtown
[17:03:06] <CaptHindsight> more farm than city
[17:03:22] <CaptHindsight> still pass cornfields to get here
[17:04:01] <CaptHindsight> border Wi
[17:04:57] <CaptHindsight> just to the west it's just farm until Rockford
[17:09:25] <unterhaus> we know about corn fields because they fertilize them with cow poop
[17:09:29] <unterhaus> hard to ignore
[17:11:14] <roycroft> aah, you're the opposite direction from where i lived
[17:11:25] <roycroft> i grew up in cook county
[17:11:33] <roycroft> but a the very end of the commuter rail line
[17:11:51] <roycroft> a lot closer in that you are
[17:11:58] <roycroft> i was 30 miles from downtown
[17:15:41] <CaptHindsight> i grew up in the city
[17:15:58] <CaptHindsight> in the hood
[17:16:44] <CaptHindsight> gang fights to and from school, the usual
[17:18:47] <CaptHindsight> HS was just west of downtown
[17:18:56] <CaptHindsight> took the subway
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[17:33:48] <XXCoder> I lived at almost more places than my childhood years
[17:33:58] <XXCoder> and 6 states in least
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[17:37:18] <p0g0> XXCoder, one of my senators has cv19...
[17:37:38] <p0g0> Last time he was ill, he went to canada for treatment.
[17:37:50] <p0g0> I wonder if they will let him in this time.
[17:37:51] <XXCoder> ?
[17:37:58] <p0g0> Rand Paul
[17:38:07] <XXCoder> yeah just unsure what youre repling to
[17:38:19] * JT-Shop wore mukluk's and walked through the woods to get to school
[17:38:25] <p0g0> I wasn't replying as much as stating
[17:38:36] <XXCoder> paul is only one who voted against coronavirus funding too
[17:38:41] <XXCoder> and hes first. hah
[17:38:41] <p0g0> yes
[17:38:55] <p0g0> he is a twit of the first water.
[17:39:05] <XXCoder> oh sorry i was chatting in other channel about it, thought you was there also but repling to wrong channel
[17:39:31] <p0g0> ah, no- I had to restart a session, my vm crashed
[17:40:00] <XXCoder> do you know DOJ tried to get motion passed so they can imprision anyone
[17:40:08] <XXCoder> not sure if they succeeded or not
[17:40:29] <p0g0> martial law stuff? but the prisons are a hotbed.
[17:41:29] <p0g0> Well, the gov has forced a guy who tested positive and wanted to socialize to stay home with a cop outside his door. I found that sane, given the guys intent to spread cv.
[17:42:01] <XXCoder> barr is hugely interest conflicted. i wonder if trying to concerate immgrants and "oh oops they all died from virus my bad"
[17:42:13] <p0g0> I am waiting for the elections to get called off
[17:42:30] <XXCoder> that is extremely hard to do
[17:42:34] <p0g0> barr is <expletive deleted>
[17:42:42] <XXCoder> there is no povisions for delaying election. none.
[17:43:00] <p0g0> heck yeah it is hard, but when have these folks played by any rules?
[17:43:05] <XXCoder> vote must be done by certain date and president pledged in by jan 13th, and take position by 20th
[17:43:08] <XXCoder> true
[17:43:13] <p0g0> They've postponed them in a bunch of states already
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[17:44:26] <XXCoder> primaries is different
[17:44:33] <p0g0> Heck, the KY legislature banned the public but kept in session for more than a week, and passed some really foul legislation, stuff they had tried before but got mobbed for it....
[17:44:37] <XXCoder> president votes dont have ANY povisions for delay
[17:44:59] <p0g0> Yeah, even in the civil war, etc...
[17:45:23] <XXCoder> and presidency ends at jan 20. so if failed to vote the position is empty
[17:45:46] <gregcnc> NY just added 4800 cases
[17:45:49] <p0g0> but again, McConnell has buggered the judiciary, barr runs protection, who will actually enforce it?
[17:45:51] <XXCoder> you know of that famous one president refused to start on sunday jan 20th so for one day usa didnt have a president
[17:46:23] <p0g0> they gave Bush II an extra second on the leap year fix...
[17:46:29] <p0g0> I noticed.
[17:46:57] <XXCoder> sentors is pushing so many crap judges
[17:47:03] <XXCoder> only basis being loyality
[17:47:09] <p0g0> That's all McConnell
[17:47:11] <XXCoder> we have huge mess in DOJ
[17:47:35] <p0g0> I am trying to get folks to move to Kentucky long enough to vote him out.
[17:47:35] <XXCoder> incuding that crying rapist judge
[17:48:22] <p0g0> One doesn't need to actually be here long at all, some weeks really.
[17:48:48] <XXCoder> good luck :)
[17:48:54] <XXCoder> that guy need to be out
[17:49:02] <p0g0> yeah, I am not getting any takers.
[17:49:11] <XXCoder> hes single most active on breaking usa
[17:49:16] <XXCoder> more so than president
[17:49:24] <p0g0> He owns the local machines, and started gerrymandering here in the 90s
[17:49:24] <XXCoder> and hes been there for quite a while
[17:49:37] <XXCoder> he owns voting machines?
[17:49:50] <XXCoder> conflict of interest aloy!
[17:49:52] <p0g0> He is a carpetbagger, moved up from the south to run for Mayor of Louisville
[17:50:12] <p0g0> No, he owns the county and state Republican party
[17:50:30] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[17:50:52] <p0g0> And by doing that, he can gerrymande after each census
[17:51:13] <p0g0> And that is a positive feedback loop
[17:51:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:51:26] <XXCoder> i also want ranked vote
[17:51:32] <p0g0> It's worked all across this nation
[17:51:37] <XXCoder> so third parties have better chance
[17:51:49] <p0g0> I want folks to get into the machines
[17:51:57] <p0g0> so they get honest
[17:51:57] <XXCoder> say supposing bernie didnt join democrat group and are independant
[17:52:12] <XXCoder> I would vote for him #1 then biden #2 and no third
[17:52:21] <p0g0> 3rd parties mostly mean that a losing candidate wins
[17:52:27] <XXCoder> so if bernie dont win my vote would transfer to biden
[17:52:28] <p0g0> yeah, ranked
[17:52:37] <p0g0> not how the game is played
[17:52:48] <XXCoder> not this time no. we really need it.
[17:53:43] <p0g0> yeah, well, I think we might be more likely, albeit not very, to win the feds to the point we can get a uniform national law on districting, and kill gerrymandering as it now exists.
[17:54:10] <p0g0> That will be A Giant Step towards real representation.
[17:54:25] <XXCoder> there is different way to do something lemme find that video
[17:54:35] <XXCoder> 3 reps per region not 1. larger region
[17:54:48] <XXCoder> so gerrymangering might be able to get one in for sure, leaving ither 2
[17:54:57] <XXCoder> gerrymangering is much harder to do
[17:55:07] <XXCoder> and less benefits
[17:55:25] <XXCoder> trump needs to shut his mouth https://www.huffpost.com
[17:55:28] <p0g0> I've been in this game waist deep for a long time, I think we can get some progress on gerrymandering.
[17:56:04] <p0g0> (mother was the VP of the state's League of Women Voters), I started lobbying when I was 12.
[17:56:18] <XXCoder> please, get ranked in
[17:56:24] <XXCoder> that'll start changes
[17:56:27] <p0g0> I don't see us winning that fight yet
[17:56:39] <XXCoder> make it party thing for now
[17:56:42] <XXCoder> for primaries
[17:56:51] <XXCoder> then slowly push it into main voting also
[17:56:58] <p0g0> I think that is what comes after we elect folks that represent the will of the public, not the funders.
[17:57:01] <XXCoder> we have to start somewhere
[17:57:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com think thats it
[17:58:01] <SpeedEvil> p0g0: Real progress on gerrymandering has been made in the last 20 years or so.
[17:58:42] <p0g0> yeah, and if you look at how GIS and demographic analysis has made the construction of voting districts so toxic that the elected gets to chose the voters (ass abckwards from the design of this nation's government) that has made gerrymandering way efficient.
[17:59:09] <p0g0> not here SpeedEvil, it has been compounded and doubled down 3x in the last decades,
[17:59:24] <Deejay> gn8
[17:59:25] <SpeedEvil> p0g0: Oh - you meant progress in the other direction. :)
[17:59:29] <andypugh> XXCoder: Huffpost are part of Verizon, and Verizon make me go to 30 separate “partner” websites to turn off cookies. So that’s not happening.
[17:59:44] <p0g0> The Cambridge Analytica +arcinfo
[18:00:04] <XXCoder> andy noscript should block nearly all cookies
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[18:00:48] <p0g0> I was working a bill on local control of medical waste incinerators in KY and watched my IT fellows run around the capitol making the first GIS based districts.
[18:00:59] <XXCoder> andypugh: I also use disconnect
[18:01:07] <p0g0> We haven't had honest elections since.
[18:01:43] <p0g0> noscript does most of it.
[18:02:44] <p0g0> SpeedEvil, the only "correction" to your sardonics is "30 years", it has been active here for almost that long.
[18:03:05] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[18:03:17] <p0g0> There were only a handful of folks with arcinfo talent back then, we all knew one another.
[18:03:20] <p0g0> In KY
[18:15:56] <XXCoder> fuck this scares me. https://news.yahoo.com
[18:26:59] <SpeedEvil> My GIS experience is limited to drawing a lot of stuff in openstreatmap in Fif.
[18:27:00] <SpeedEvil> e
[18:35:24] <p0g0> SpeedEvil, if you want a good and free tool, microdem. Don't get too twitched by the milspec side. I use it for LOS microwave stuff.
[18:36:19] <SpeedEvil> yeah - OSM tools work fine for what hyper-limited stuff I want to do
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[19:41:39] <_unreal_> got a lot done today on the machine
[19:41:54] <_unreal_> controller related, and power system
[19:42:12] * SpeedEvil is currently in a state of indeterminancy on glue.
[19:42:20] <_unreal_> ?
[19:42:24] <_unreal_> glue
[19:42:26] <SpeedEvil> It might be set, or it might not be, I have not read the instructions.
[19:42:36] <_unreal_> what kind of glue?
[19:42:43] <SpeedEvil> Construction adhesive.
[19:43:03] <SpeedEvil> Gluing together shear stiffener members for my shelving.
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[20:21:34] <veegee> ok Fronius is overpriced
[20:21:39] <_unreal_> ?
[20:21:46] <veegee> what are some other good welder manufactuerers?
[20:21:52] <veegee> ESAB? Lincoln Electric?
[20:22:05] <SpeedEvil> Trustfire.
[20:22:08] <Rab> Miller?
[20:22:35] <_unreal_> miller time :)
[20:22:39] <_unreal_> dont mind if I do
[20:23:26] <veegee> no sum ting wong brand please
[20:23:39] <veegee> if they have engrish anywhere, that's an instant no no
[20:24:01] <veegee> no spek da engrish? not so gud wun
[20:24:59] <veegee> I have no respect for people who refuse to learn to speak english these days. I'm not white nor is english my first language but I don't expect the rest of the world to speak my native language
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[20:28:56] <Tom_L> veegee, Miller
[20:29:27] <Tom_L> at the time, i liked the feed on the miller over the lincoln
[20:29:38] <CaptHindsight> Eye suspect everyjuan to speak dah English
[20:31:11] * flyback puntcunts veegee
[20:31:12] <flyback> BMCC
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[20:40:26] <_unreal_> ok so I'm ready to start loading my cnc pc with lcnc, not sure which version to download. I'm going to start off using the par port onboard only untill I get a mesa controller.
[20:40:57] <_unreal_> dont really know much about the difference between wheezy, streach, buildbot etc...
[20:42:34] <andypugh> Go for the stretch uspace ISO.
[20:43:33] <andypugh> It will probably work fine, and is what you need if you want to use an ethernet Mesa card
[20:43:49] <_unreal_> ! shit I dont know which cpu is in that system
[20:43:55] <_unreal_> brb
[20:44:08] <_unreal_> ya I'm looking at getting the 7i92
[20:44:11] <Rab> My computer had great latency with Wheezy, but Wheezy was EOL and no longer updated. I upgraded to Stretch and latency is terrible. I guess it's the difference between RTAI and PREEMPT-RT in my particular case...your mileage may vary considerably.
[20:44:35] <andypugh> If the latency turns out to be too bad for software stepping (which is inlikely) then there are RTAI kernel packages available that can be installed on Stretch to convert it
[20:45:27] <Rab> andypugh, oh, thanks! I'll look into that.
[20:48:01] <andypugh> Rab: www.linuxcnc.org/temp
[20:48:21] <andypugh> Do you know how to install .deb packages?
[20:48:28] <Rab> andypugh, I do.
[20:48:49] <andypugh> Right, so kernel image and headers, reboot, then rtai and linuxcnc.
[20:49:13] <andypugh> You will end up with a recent LinuxCNC 2.8
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[20:49:43] <andypugh> (But no auto-updates)
[20:49:52] <Rab> andypugh, great, thank you!
[20:50:18] <andypugh> Let me know how it goes, those debs were freshly carved today,
[20:52:40] <_unreal_> ok its a compact DC7600
[20:53:14] <_unreal_> with a pentium D 3.4ghz
[20:54:05] <_unreal_> https://support.hp.com
[20:54:10] <_unreal_> ? my cpu isnt listed
[20:54:16] <_unreal_> i'm not sure if its 64bit or not
[20:54:18] <_unreal_> arg...
[20:54:19] <_unreal_> brb
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[21:14:01] <_unreal_> I dont know which series this freaking cpu is can I cant seem to find a linux disk that will boot
[21:19:59] <flyback> that's why you already update the bios to latest
[21:20:01] <flyback> before you swap cpu's
[21:20:11] <flyback> FFS
[21:20:19] <_unreal_> I have not ever touched the cpu
[21:21:52] <flyback> wtf are you using a p4
[21:22:00] <flyback> they were the most prone era of bad caps
[21:22:10] <flyback> I can find better pc's hanging from the hairs of my ass
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[21:24:46] <gregcnc> https://www.urbandictionary.com
[21:25:40] <flyback> im looking forward to it killing everyone
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[21:40:34] <SpeedEvil> We now know what covfefe means.
[21:40:42] <_unreal_> ?
[21:45:49] <_unreal_> ok pulled an other pc out that was is messed up
[21:45:56] <_unreal_> was=one
[21:46:16] <_unreal_> this one has an intel e2160 and is 64bit ok now I can download
[21:47:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:05:12] <Tom_L> andypugh, does the livecd work on preemt also?
[22:05:23] <Tom_L> to test latency before install
[22:32:59] <_unreal_> burning disk right now
[22:33:42] <_unreal_> I'm going to need to get my wireless pendent setup
[22:33:52] <_unreal_> whb04b-6
[22:39:38] <Tom_L> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[23:07:52] <_unreal_> lcnc is installing now
[23:08:10] <XXCoder> booom yer on' of us
[23:08:36] <Tom_L> plan on a bit of a curve with the config
[23:08:51] <Tom_L> but it will do about anything you need
[23:17:46] <_unreal_> Thats just phase one :/
[23:17:59] <_unreal_> hell Ishould go check on the install
[23:18:06] <_unreal_> was reading the forum on the pendent
[23:18:42] <Tom_L> there are probably other links for it
[23:26:27] <_unreal_> ok installed and booted
[23:26:36] <_unreal_> in the other room but thats just because of lack of room in this room :(
[23:26:45] <_unreal_> doing a latency test
[23:26:55] <_unreal_> looks to be 25,000 latency
[23:27:17] <_unreal_> onboard GPU and only 2gb ram. need to swap the ram
[23:27:30] <_unreal_> I'll add a GPU when I get around to it
[23:27:48] <Tom_L> you can fiddle with bios settings and get improvements too
[23:28:15] <_unreal_> Its an old pentium dual core
[23:28:17] <Tom_L> it's been a while and i don't quite remember what all to change
[23:28:29] <Tom_L> maybe not much on that
[23:28:40] <_unreal_> ya I was going to say :)
[23:28:50] <_unreal_> only reason I'm using it is because it has a par port
[23:29:03] <Tom_L> typically you may need newer hardware to run preempt-rt
[23:29:08] <Tom_L> instead of RTAI
[23:29:18] <_unreal_> I have a core 2 duo but the board has an empty header for par port :(
[23:29:49] <Tom_L> may not matter if you're gonna use an ethernet mesa card
[23:30:08] <Tom_L> to use ethernet though you need to run preempt-rt
[23:30:37] <Tom_L> which is what that stretch build is
[23:30:42] <_unreal_> patch? or install wheezy?
[23:30:55] <_unreal_> ?
[23:30:58] <Tom_L> for what?
[23:31:07] <_unreal_> so the streach is preempt-rt
[23:31:15] <Tom_L> yes
[23:31:20] <Tom_L> that iso is anyway
[23:31:29] <_unreal_> Debian Stretch, the 4.9.x RT-PREEMPT
[23:31:45] <nvz> Tom_L: are you suggesting that works with core2 machines?
[23:31:48] <_unreal_> linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso
[23:32:20] <Tom_L> nvz, no
[23:32:23] <Tom_L> i'm not sure
[23:32:40] <_unreal_> ?
[23:32:44] <Tom_L> _unreal_, yeah i've loaded that on my test machine
[23:33:42] <nvz> I need to do more testing, but I have a Dell OPti 780 SFF with a dedicated graphics card.. and the latency tests seemed rather high
[23:33:51] <nvz> using the wheezy one that is
[23:33:52] <skunkworks> that is what I loaded on my current laptop.. ;)
[23:33:54] <Tom_L> pcw_home would have a better idea what works on core2
[23:34:31] <skunkworks> rt-preempt seems to like newer hardwaer
[23:34:47] <skunkworks> hardware even
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