#linuxcnc | Logs for 2020-03-23

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[05:57:42] <jthornton> morning
[05:57:50] <XXCoder> hey
[06:00:23] <Tom_L> morning
[06:00:51] <Tom_L> somebody's been working on the docs... html man pages lost their columns
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[06:02:04] <Tom_L> 39°F & fog
[06:02:14] <Tom_L> 70 cases 2 deaths
[06:03:42] <XXCoder> yeserday 1 pm it was 400 now its 471 crazy
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[06:06:10] <jthornton> I saw some commits from someone "fixing" the docs for some reason
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[06:14:11] <Tom_L> XXCoder, in washington?
[06:14:20] <XXCoder> usa
[06:14:25] <XXCoder> wa alone is over 100
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[06:15:15] <Tom_L> jthornton, i wonder if the guy doing the chinese version may have had a part in that
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[06:16:43] <Deejay> moin
[06:18:32] <jthornton> which page are you looking at
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[07:04:07] <jymmmm> morning
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[08:19:10] <Tom_L> jthornton, http://linuxcnc.org , http://linuxcnc.org and http://linuxcnc.org
[08:19:46] <Tom_L> it would be in the formatting file
[08:20:25] <jthornton> they all look normal to me
[08:21:09] <Tom_L> from the Man Pages down used to be in multiple columns
[08:21:39] <Tom_L> now on ff at least they're a single column down the left side
[08:22:10] <jthornton> they are still in 4 columns for me
[08:22:43] <Tom_L> even after a refresh, no
[08:22:46] <jthornton> if I expand the page I get 9 columns
[08:23:04] <Tom_L> odd
[08:23:20] <Tom_L> i tried that before i mentioned it...
[08:24:03] <Tom_L> same on the other pc
[08:24:39] <jthornton> it's been years since anyone touched the html formatting
[08:24:55] <Tom_L> i figured
[08:25:01] <Tom_L> dunno what's goin on
[08:25:43] <jthornton> someone touched the index.tmpl 22 days ago
[08:27:01] <jthornton> chris morley added something 22 days ago
[08:27:33] <Tom_L> not a biggie, just surprised me
[08:27:47] <Tom_L> gotta run...
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[09:21:20] <thesaint4444> hi, can anyone tell me what is the current computer hardware to buy for linuxcnc? thanks..
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[09:26:52] <Loetmichel> thesaint4444: anything that has at least 2 cores @3ghz and preferably with an LPT port or a PCI slot to put one in.
[09:27:11] <Loetmichel> or if you want to use MESA: a fitting slot for your mesa card
[09:27:32] <thesaint4444> amd or intel? no difference?
[09:27:32] <Loetmichel> it doesent need THAT much computing power
[09:27:52] <thesaint4444> that depends on what you are doing.
[09:27:56] <Loetmichel> ah, preferably with a dedicated GPU, no internal graphics
[09:28:26] <thesaint4444> an external graphics card?
[09:28:46] <Loetmichel> more to the point: If you want to do LPT drive you have to have a board that has no NMI "power save" routines
[09:28:54] <Loetmichel> thats why they always say "no notebooks"
[09:29:12] <thesaint4444> i use a mesa card..
[09:29:17] <Loetmichel> no, external as "in a PCIE-slot, not in the CPU"
[09:29:53] <Loetmichel> if you have a mesa card then pretty much the only thing you have to look out for is a fitting slot in the mainboard
[09:30:20] <thesaint4444> so any modern mini pc board just about?
[09:30:32] <Loetmichel> or if its a RJ45-one: a dedicatet gbit NIC for the card
[09:30:33] <thesaint4444> with a pci slot..
[09:31:13] <thesaint4444> thanks!
[09:31:15] <Loetmichel> so your mesa card has a PCI interface?
[09:31:16] <Loetmichel> then yes
[09:31:24] <thesaint4444> yes, i think..
[09:32:10] <Loetmichel> anything thats 2 cores and up at 3ghz at least should work fine
[09:32:25] <thesaint4444> great, cheers!
[09:32:31] <Loetmichel> hell, there are people that have gotten LinuxCNC to run on a raspberry pi3
[09:32:36] <Loetmichel> :-)
[09:33:06] <Loetmichel> (dont know how though, that thing is a bit low on the computing power side)
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[10:52:56] <Loetmichel> GNAH! New worker on the CNC mills since friday... took him 2 days and the 20 2mm tungsten carbide 2flute mill bits i had in stock are gone... *sigh* *reorder another 30*
[10:54:07] <gregcnc> no guidance? or does he know everything?
[10:55:00] <skunkworks> heh.. Ouch
[10:56:22] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: more like: to dumb to learn from errors
[10:56:40] <Loetmichel> i showed him how to change the mill bit. my bad.
[10:56:46] <gregcnc> so you hired a tool changer
[10:56:53] <Loetmichel> kinda ;)
[10:57:34] <gregcnc> looks like you'll need to spend some time teaching
[10:59:12] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: At some point, HSS might last longer
[11:02:45] <pcw_home> RPI3 does work (had a demo running LinuxCNC for about a year) but graphics are slow and dense backplots would cause a crash (out of memory) RPI4 (with 2G or 4G RAM) is _much_ better
[11:05:51] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: probably
[11:06:27] <Loetmichel> or a worker that removes any swarf from the part before before he puts a new alu sheet on teh vacuum table ,)
[11:11:05] <skunkworks> Yes - the rpi4 is very usable. I have been testing it for a while now.
[11:12:06] <gregcnc> if I know nothing about rpi how hard is it to setup, is googlefu enough?
[11:12:43] <sensille> linuxfu is helpful
[11:12:46] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: i suspect thats why he breaks the bits. bump in the sheet metal from swarf under it... and i am close to the max "material removal" capacitiy of the CNC 6040 already with my program
[11:13:05] <Loetmichel> so when there is a bump it cuts to deep into the materal and breaks the bit off
[11:13:15] <rmu|w> gregcnc: if you manage to install linuxcnc from github on a pc you will manage on a rpi4
[11:13:36] <gregcnc> ok.
[11:13:59] <skunkworks> This was done on the pi.. https://www.youtube.com
[11:14:00] <rmu|w> the only "interesting" thing probably is how and where to get a preempt-rt enabled kernel
[11:14:16] <skunkworks> gregcnc: there is a image with linuxcnc and everything.
[11:14:58] <skunkworks> hmm - where is it
[11:17:29] <skunkworks> https://zaphod.unpythonic.net
[11:19:15] <gregcnc> great! do you have a page documenting what you've done in your videos?
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[11:27:54] <skunkworks> eh.. not really.. https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[11:45:03] <rmu|w> https://www.osadl.org
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[13:02:08] <fragalot> 'sup
[13:19:07] <JT-Shop> I think I've gotten an email from every supplier I've ever dealt with about covid 19 and they are fully stocked and shipping product
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[13:42:43] <pcw_home> We cant get parts anymore...
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[13:43:54] <pcw_home> Fedex: no shipments to non-essential businesses (we might get a DOD exemption though)
[13:44:20] <pcw_home> not sure If I want to pursue that or not
[13:48:49] * SpeedEvil is hoping for one or two last deliveries before UK shuts down.
[13:49:11] <SpeedEvil> there may be a van in my driveway soon with 100 bits of wood.
[13:49:44] <SpeedEvil> (CNC related - I'm sort of thinking about making a concrete printer with it.)
[13:55:55] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: same here... and then you have to drive around for half an hour to find a home improvement shop that is still open to get some OSB for a overseas box ;)
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[13:58:01] <Spida> delivery services like UPS/Fedex/DHL are a bit slower than usual (2 or 3 instead of 1 day). apart from that, no limitations except toiletpaper, pasta and canned food.
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[14:11:36] <Rab> pcw_home, are you able to ship (current inventory) product out?
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[14:18:29] <pcw_home> we did on Friday not sure today, maybe USPS only
[14:26:40] <jymmmm> YAY no power (on gen)
[14:27:53] <jymmmm> SO, shelter in place, no power, it's gonna rain/snow, are we camping yet?
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[15:17:18] <JT-Shop> I'm trying to decide if I'll ship anything the next two weeks...
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[15:18:11] <JT-Shop> if it's under 8.5 oz I can just put it in the mail box and put the flag up...
[15:20:32] <JT-Shop> hmm 13 ounces with postage only can't be picked up
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[15:21:53] <andypugh> skunkworks: https://hackaday.com
[15:29:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com how bad are these? anyone actually try one?
[15:30:09] <CaptHindsight> likely better off just making one vs taking these apart and replacing the bearings and getting them square
[15:34:26] <andypugh> I would be more concerned about a lack of holding torque. I can only reallt see them working for engraving, but I could be wrong.
[15:35:45] <CaptHindsight> pulley ratio 1:6
[15:37:15] <CaptHindsight> 3A 57type is likely nema23
[15:37:31] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i have one with a worm drive and one with a pulley
[15:37:32] <andypugh> So, 6:1 with a (maybe) 3Nm stepper is 18Nm torque. Doesn’t sound like a lot.
[15:37:50] <Loetmichel> the worm drive is worse because it has close to 1° in play
[15:37:58] <Loetmichel> the belt drive one is much better
[15:38:25] <CaptHindsight> 1 deg play :)
[15:38:35] <Loetmichel> needs light cuts so you dont overpower the stepper holding torque but at least it doesent wobble all over the place
[15:38:52] <roycroft> we just got semi sheltered in place
[15:39:06] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: cutting plastic <1mm
[15:39:33] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: welcome to shelter in place
[15:41:34] <CaptHindsight> oh they are carrying the cheap ballscrew positioners now https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[15:41:45] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: the worm drive one works for certain things
[15:42:02] <Loetmichel> bit its no good for engraving for example
[15:42:15] <Loetmichel> pretty good for "turning" on the mill though
[15:42:33] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com
[15:42:42] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: I knew they weren't made well for <$300
[15:43:47] <Loetmichel> so my advice would be: get the belt drive one and just use it with light cuts
[15:44:01] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: is that the belt drive version?
[15:44:10] <Loetmichel> thats the worm drive one
[15:44:35] <Loetmichel> have no pics on the belt drive one, its also with a MUCH smaller 3jaw
[15:45:47] <CaptHindsight> $4k used https://www.ebay.com
[15:48:58] <Loetmichel> IMHO that 5 axis toy is not worth the money
[15:49:09] <Loetmichel> depends on what you want to do with it though
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[15:49:18] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: the application is <1mm plastic
[15:49:33] <Loetmichel> then it should work
[15:49:43] <Loetmichel> still overpriced for the travel it has ;)
[15:50:24] <andypugh> I think PocketNC is cool. And it runs LinuxCNC.
[15:50:24] <CaptHindsight> $3k https://www.ebay.com
[15:50:56] <CaptHindsight> $5500 new
[15:52:14] <XXCoder> "slightly new" is different from "slightly used" ;)
[15:52:41] <CaptHindsight> fun with words
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[15:53:04] <XXCoder> that pocket nc seems to be missing panels?
[15:53:09] <CaptHindsight> if I make enough of them I should cast a frame
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[15:54:52] <CaptHindsight> $36K https://youtu.be
[15:55:00] <XXCoder> i wonder why theres so many haas on ebay
[15:56:22] <JesseG> A real life friend of mine is friends with Gene Haas - they were like buddies in college or something :P I never met Gene though.
[15:56:37] <XXCoder> ugh. searched for haas, all results is bunch of NOT haas machines llol
[15:57:51] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be the finish?
[15:57:58] <Tom_L> JesseG, didn't he get in trouble with the law a while back?
[15:58:18] <Tom_L> before stuart teamed up with him
[15:59:09] <XXCoder> .5kw thats 500w
[15:59:42] <Tom_L> tax fraud
[16:00:43] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:00:51] <Tom_L> guess it was the 'former chief financial officer'
[16:00:58] <JesseG> Tom_L, LOL my friend was telling me about that, but I forgot the details
[16:01:41] <Tom_L> https://www.nytimes.com
[16:01:44] <Tom_L> a refresher
[16:01:45] <Tom_L> :)
[16:02:06] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: that mill is mostly just Yaskawa parts
[16:03:41] <CaptHindsight> did they let him near the prison shop?
[16:04:44] <XXCoder> 14 year old news
[16:05:00] <Tom_L> somehow it stuck in my head though
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[16:05:04] <CaptHindsight> still happened
[16:05:19] <Tom_L> i'm sure prison made him a new man
[16:05:25] <XXCoder> old days of actual justice
[16:06:05] <XXCoder> you know its old news when rich guy pays taxes and actually went to jail
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[16:08:27] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com
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[16:11:05] <XXCoder> looks like it was successful project'
[16:14:08] <jymmmm> Ok, rounded up all the squirrels, power has been restored!!!
[16:14:50] <Tom_L> real power or squirrel power?
[16:15:10] <jymmmm> Tom_L Little of Column A, little of Column B =)
[16:16:57] <jymmmm> I replaced the oil drain plug with a ballcock valve, has held up well, when the gen cools down I'll do an oil change. Should be much simpler now
[16:18:17] <JesseG> I thought you wanted to do an oil change while the oil was still hot and stirred up to get out more of the suspended metal grit which will settle to the bottom and not run out when it's cold... :D
[16:19:09] <Tom_L> if you open it while it's running that will help push out all the oil...
[16:19:50] <JesseG> LOL... I guess it'll also pump all the oil out of the galleries also :P
[16:19:51] <jymmmm> Tom_L Ah, good idea! Silly me have been using the pull start to stir things up
[16:20:17] <Tom_L> naw, that's too much effort
[16:20:44] <jymmmm> Yeah, maybe I should use the electric start with the darin valve open???
[16:20:46] <jymmmm> drain*
[16:21:21] <Tom_L> good way to test the low oil sensor
[16:21:36] <JesseG> I *have* "drained" the antifreeze from an engine by revving it up a bit and popping off the radiator inlet hose. But I shut off the engine soon as the water stopped - which only took a couple seconds :P
[16:22:06] <JesseG> (I had the thermostat removed.)
[16:22:19] <JesseG> But I'd never drain the oil that way :P
[16:23:08] <jymmmm> Hmmm, I'm pondering getting this knife... https://www.amazon.com
[16:23:10] <JesseG> I did once start up a 1956 ford tractor with the oil pan off, but I had the oil pump intake connected to a tube in a jug of new oil :P (Had to make sure oil was getting everywhere. It was :P)
[16:24:08] <Tom_L> those didn't have the cup on the bottom of the rods for oil pickup? maybe that was older tech than 56
[16:24:35] <Tom_L> more like 40's
[16:25:07] <Tom_L> andypugh is familiar with those
[16:25:31] <JesseG> ya, this one had a regular gear pump run off the bottom of the distributor
[16:26:30] <andypugh> Scoops on the bottom of the con-rods were popular around WW1. I don’t know when they disappeared, but before WW11 in most cases. Basically anything with an oil pressure gauge won’t have them.
[16:28:03] <JesseG> haha yeah. This guy had called me out to fix his tractor. He's like "Yeah it's making a lot of bad noises and getting hot and losing power...." I says "Well did you check the oil?" he says "Oh yeah it's got plenty.."
[16:28:08] <JesseG> Last time I trust a customer :P
[16:28:35] <JesseG> so he offers to start it up so I can hear it... I says "Hey, you have no oil pressure.." he says "Oh, that hasn't worked in a couple years."
[16:29:08] <JesseG> We drop the pan and there's half a cup of oil in there.
[16:29:29] <JesseG> I says "hey, you said you'd checked the oil." he says "Well, it was a couple months ago. It doesn't use oil."
[16:29:29] <JT-Shop> my 56 Continental has an oil pump
[16:30:03] <JesseG> Anyway I put a new oil pump in for him and guess what - the oil pressure gauge suddenly started working.
[16:30:12] <Rab> JesseG, bet it uses oil now!
[16:30:56] <JesseG> Rab, yes, now it smokes and uses oil and fouls the plugs.
[16:31:25] <JesseG> He's thinking about rebuilding it. I'm not sure I want to do a rebuild for him if he is so likely to burn it up doing stuff like that :P
[16:31:47] <JesseG> like using it for 2 years with so little oil pressure that the gauge never moved it off zero :P
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[16:39:40] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aliexpress.com ~$700 but BT30
[16:42:47] <XXCoder> i wonder why bt30 is cheaper than smaller spindle bt20
[16:44:29] <andypugh> more supply?
[16:44:39] <XXCoder> possibly and more demend
[16:46:09] <CaptHindsight> ISO20 spindles with ATC are all higher priced so far
[16:46:27] <XXCoder> doh I meant iso20
[16:47:52] <Rab> "Some of you are already familiar with my BT30 spindle cartridges and my ER20 3.0KW electric square body spindle (or the china copies available on ebay) as well as my Sherline/Taig BT15 spindle conversions kits" ...anybody already familiar with these alleged products, and/or Dale Walsh?
[16:51:16] <andypugh> https://www.cnczone.com
[16:53:51] <Rab> andypugh, thanks!
[16:54:15] <andypugh> I am curious why he was banned from CNC zone
[16:56:48] <Rab> So am I, can't find the last posts from his profile without logging in.
[16:57:09] <Tom_L> was he trying to do commerce there? maybe that could be
[16:57:39] <CaptHindsight> "Given the deafening silence I'm receiving from Dave Walsh, I'm guessing he's got no interest in fulfilling all the pledges."
[16:58:30] <Tom_L> I have quite a large list of people who want them and I can't be forcing them to wait because you want 5 or more pieces and I can barely keep up with the production schedule as it is.
[16:58:57] <CaptHindsight> same guy as the kickstarter
[16:59:00] <Tom_L> may have bitten him
[16:59:28] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com
[17:00:29] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com similar
[17:01:26] <Tom_L> UK is on lockdown now
[17:01:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.cncdepot.net
[17:03:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe I should make them
[17:03:46] <sync> andypugh: the guy is an idiot
[17:03:52] <CaptHindsight> where to stop
[17:04:18] <CaptHindsight> "dull minds think alike"
[17:06:31] <andypugh> The graphs don’t seem to show lockdown doing any good…
[17:07:08] <Tom_L> maybe it's a "he did it so i have to" mentality
[17:07:16] <andypugh> https://www.ft.com
[17:09:25] <andypugh> I wonder if there will be more suicides than coronavirus deaths if we are all stuck at home alone for three weeks
[17:09:45] <Tom_L> hope we all have some projects to work on
[17:09:57] <roycroft> we'll be lucky if it's only three weeks
[17:10:07] <Tom_L> i built my mill while she was visiting her sister for a month
[17:10:13] <Rab> andypugh, I don't know about that, but I'm sure the increase will be non-negligible.
[17:10:31] <roycroft> i've sourced materials for several projects to keep me busy
[17:10:38] <roycroft> but i'm still working, and won't have any time off
[17:10:38] <andypugh> Am I allowed out of my house to go to my workshop?
[17:10:55] <roycroft> as long as "your workshop" is not "the pub"
[17:10:56] <Tom_L> i won't tell on you
[17:11:17] <roycroft> but yes, you should be able to go work in your shed
[17:11:27] <Rab> McMaster-Carr delivery is supposed to arrive on Wednesday, shelter-in-place order is supposed to come through tomorrow. :D
[17:11:36] <CaptHindsight> the tested numbers are pretty useless, unless you want to compare tests per capita
[17:11:37] <roycroft> mcmaster will still deliver
[17:12:00] <Rab> Mouser too, hopefully.
[17:12:00] <roycroft> all the delivery services will still operate
[17:12:17] <CaptHindsight> are they delivering in CA and NY?
[17:12:20] <roycroft> in oregon, we're on semi-lockdown
[17:12:21] <roycroft> yes
[17:12:29] <andypugh> Well, not all of them. I was about to arder some wine, but wine deliveries are off.
[17:12:43] <andypugh> Looks like a teetotal 3 weeks.
[17:12:47] <roycroft> the new rule, which came down today, is that all businesses whose workers can work from home must close their doors
[17:12:49] <CaptHindsight> i heard that they were not delivering to non essential businesses
[17:13:10] <roycroft> places like gyms must close
[17:13:23] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: did you lose UPS and FEDEX service?
[17:13:26] <roycroft> capthindsight: that would make no sense
[17:13:40] <roycroft> using delivery services should be encouraged
[17:13:53] <roycroft> people will stay at home and order stuff online instead of driving to stores
[17:14:03] <CaptHindsight> well... sense you say :)
[17:14:18] <roycroft> president fuckhead has not ordered the lockdowns
[17:14:22] <andypugh> Can’t order food online.
[17:14:24] <roycroft> it's the state governors who are doing it
[17:14:33] <roycroft> so yes, one can expect some sensible decisions
[17:14:43] <andypugh> (No delivery slots available for weeks into the future)
[17:14:47] <roycroft> groceries can be ordered online here
[17:14:51] <roycroft> and delivered
[17:14:59] <roycroft> and restaurants are still open for take-away
[17:15:04] <roycroft> only curbside pickup though
[17:15:08] <JesseG> So is the general goal to slow the spread until decent testing be developed, or do people really think it can be contained and the genie can be put back in the bottle
[17:15:18] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: not sure about UPS
[17:15:21] <roycroft> not just until decent testing can be developed
[17:15:27] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to try the curbside grocery pickup
[17:15:33] <roycroft> the real goal is to slow the rate of spread so that cases can be treated as they come up
[17:15:46] <roycroft> instead of hospital emergency rooms being totally swamped with a huge influx all at once
[17:16:11] <JesseG> roycroft, On a scale of 1 to 10, do you think containing it is actually possible?
[17:16:19] <roycroft> if the average hospital stay for covid-19 is 2 weeks, and you can spread the rate of infection out over 8 weeks, you can treat 4 times as many people
[17:16:35] <andypugh> And all those in hospital will die anyway
[17:16:41] <roycroft> no they won't
[17:16:42] <andypugh> SO what’s the point?
[17:17:00] <roycroft> but if everyone gets sick at the same time a much larger number will die
[17:17:15] <roycroft> jesseg: i don't think it's going to be contained for a long long time
[17:17:20] <roycroft> perhaps a year or more
[17:17:31] <andypugh> I exaggerate, but one stat I hard was that in the UK 32 pateints had been put on a ventilator and 31 of those had died.
[17:17:33] <gregcnc> h1n1 was a year
[17:17:43] <roycroft> it was more like 18 months
[17:17:46] <CaptHindsight> likely better overt he summer, then spike again when colder
[17:17:59] <roycroft> but if we slow down the rate of spreading it, more people can be saved
[17:18:07] <roycroft> we have no idea about that, capthindsight
[17:18:13] <roycroft> this is a brand new strain
[17:18:15] <JesseG> How big did h1n1 get before being contained? Because I don't recall everything grinding to a halt
[17:18:27] <roycroft> iirc about 15,000 people died world-wide
[17:18:30] <roycroft> and we're at that point already
[17:18:34] <CaptHindsight> we who?
[17:18:38] <roycroft> the world
[17:18:41] <gregcnc> somethign said because economy was in teh dumps they didn't do anything
[17:19:02] <roycroft> actually, obama took measures to stop it immediately
[17:19:17] <roycroft> please don't read the right wing propoganda that is 100% wrong about h1n1 :)
[17:19:25] <gregcnc> this was on CDC
[17:19:27] <roycroft> read the factual history
[17:20:06] <roycroft> obama declared a public health emergency days after the first case was reported in this country, and before the first death in this country
[17:20:13] <CaptHindsight> SARS-COV-2 doesn't survive as long on wet and warmer surfaces, which there are more of during summer
[17:20:26] <roycroft> and he got billions of dollars to combat it right away
[17:20:44] <roycroft> the right wing talking point that he did nothing for months refers to his declaring a national emergency
[17:20:48] <roycroft> which did take months
[17:20:56] <roycroft> but was not necessary until months into it
[17:21:08] <roycroft> he declared a national health emergency right away, and that got the money flowing to stop it
[17:21:20] <roycroft> the national emergency was to get money to help the economoy recover
[17:21:35] <JesseG> that's the beauty things. When you dump billions of dollars into it, a nasty virus goes away with no disruption. WHen you don't dump in billions of dollars, the whole world grinds to a halt.
[17:21:50] <roycroft> and then you get to dump trillions into it
[17:22:32] <JesseG> Could I just print up some overstuffed fake billion dollar bills and staple them on my house to keep away the virus?
[17:22:56] <roycroft> just stay safe
[17:23:00] <roycroft> all of you, please
[17:23:09] <Tom_L> JesseG, use TP instead
[17:23:32] <JesseG> Tom_L, oh yeah!! I was going to see if I could buy stuff at the store with TP instead of greenbacks
[17:23:35] <gregcnc> tp forst should protect everyone
[17:24:26] <roycroft> i can tell you all a secret now that i've gotten what i need
[17:24:27] <JesseG> The guy at Costco didn't want to touch my coscto card. He had me hold it up so he could scan it. He had no problem taking my money though.
[17:24:38] <roycroft> auto parts stores still have scott blue shop towels in quantity
[17:24:44] <JesseG> LOL
[17:24:55] <roycroft> sadly, i just had to buy some
[17:25:03] <JesseG> For TP?
[17:25:05] <gregcnc> https://www.nbcchicago.com
[17:25:05] <roycroft> and they're expensive at the auto parts stores - i paid $2.99/roll
[17:25:24] <roycroft> i usually order them by the case online for $2/roll, but my latest order got pushed back to may
[17:25:33] <roycroft> so i bought a half dozen rolls to tide me over until may
[17:25:38] <JesseG> Maybe I should make a machine that turns old newspapers, phone books, and junk mail into multi-colored TP
[17:25:59] <roycroft> i'm still not understanding the tp shortage
[17:26:03] <gregcnc> you still get a newspaper?
[17:26:12] <gregcnc> run on TP
[17:26:16] <JesseG> I don't still get the paper. But 20 years ago I did and I think I got a stack of them.
[17:26:25] <roycroft> if you have no food it doesn't matter if you have tp or not
[17:26:32] <roycroft> because if nothing's going in nothing will be coming out
[17:26:49] <roycroft> i can understand hoarding food a lot better than hoarding tp
[17:27:33] <JesseG> I just got 6 years worth of TP the other day. (A single 48 coscto pack LOL)
[17:27:58] <roycroft> anyway, for me, not only did i get supplies (and some new tools) to keep me busy, anticipating that i won't be able to go out and socialise for the indefinite future made me rethink the projects i have in my queue
[17:28:06] <cradek> anyone who's traveled in south asia knows there's billions of people in the world who just wash their butts after pooing and would really wonder what we're all on about
[17:28:18] <roycroft> i've been in a mode lately of just getting done what needs to be done right now
[17:28:40] <roycroft> but since i'll probably have a lot more time on my hands, i'm starting to do things more sustainably
[17:28:43] <roycroft> and more completely
[17:30:00] <CaptHindsight> https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com
[17:30:15] <CaptHindsight> see how long your supply will last
[17:30:18] <roycroft> over the winter i bought a bunch of parts for my belt grinder, so i can make some more contact wheels
[17:30:26] <roycroft> and i've not gotten around to making any
[17:30:38] <SpeedEvil> UK's shut.
[17:30:38] <roycroft> i think i'll have the time to finish that project upnow
[17:31:08] <roycroft> yes, apparently "flatten the curve" is the new "the british people will just have to take it on the chin"
[17:31:29] <CaptHindsight> have to buy bangers and mash local :(
[17:33:06] <JesseG> CaptHindsight, I used to write the date inside the cardboard tube on a TP roll so when it ran out I could see how long it lasted.
[17:33:23] <JesseG> Also would tell me if a roommate switched it out on me :P
[17:34:07] <andypugh> I might actually go mad if I don’t leave the house or speak to anyone for 3 weeks.
[17:34:13] <gregcnc> do you also have a log of TP usage? how many years?
[17:34:50] <gregcnc> plan a trip to florida with all the spring breakers?
[17:35:55] <roycroft> folks here can still go outside to exercise
[17:36:01] <roycroft> and go to the market for food, of course
[17:37:16] <roycroft> and if i need to go into work i can - i work for an isp, which is considered a critical business
[17:37:34] <roycroft> and if i *do* need to into to work, it will be to an unstaffed data center or fiber hut
[17:37:38] <CaptHindsight> O gotta say those liberals and their hoaxes are great, they have whole world fooled :0
[17:37:45] <Deejay> gn8
[17:37:49] <roycroft> so my risk of exposure is quite minimal
[17:38:14] <roycroft> i'm at much higher risk when i buy groceries
[17:38:31] <andypugh> We can still go out to buy food. I am not sure if we can buy booze. And I doubt that tools and materials for projects count as essentials.
[17:38:49] <roycroft> yes, the home centers will still be open
[17:39:04] <andypugh> ?
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[17:39:16] <CaptHindsight> some https://www.unionleader.com
[17:39:17] <roycroft> however, the number of customer permitted inside will be serverely restricted
[17:39:20] <andypugh> Why would they keep open home centres that you are not allowed to go to?
[17:39:32] <CaptHindsight> it happened, quick hide the whiskey
[17:39:33] <roycroft> they're considered essential
[17:39:46] <roycroft> landlords need to be to fix burt plumbing, etc.
[17:39:50] <roycroft> burst
[17:40:05] <CaptHindsight> good time to get the remodel project done
[17:40:27] <roycroft> police are not going to be stopping people for being outside
[17:40:30] <roycroft> that doesn't work
[17:40:34] <roycroft> it could never work
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[17:40:44] <roycroft> and it puts the police at higher risk
[17:40:53] <andypugh> I _was_ planning to take some holiday and do the pointing on my mum’s house. But I doubt I will be able to get the supplies.
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[17:41:04] <andypugh> And she is old, so high risk, so I probably shouldn’t/
[17:41:18] <roycroft> but if the cinema opens its doors, police would show up and shut it down
[17:41:41] <CaptHindsight> maybe drive ins will make a comeback
[17:41:47] <andypugh> Can I just get myself put in a mediacal coma ‘till its all over?
[17:42:30] <gregcnc> browsing the main stream media is sufficient
[17:42:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah should have a warning
[17:46:56] <Spida> sh... do you know the sound that occurs when you remove the load from an axial ball bearing you didn't know of?
[17:47:12] <gregcnc> oops
[17:48:42] <Spida> "here are your balls". separated way to much to feel comfortable.
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[18:03:29] <JT-Shop> https://gnipsel.com
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[18:28:48] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: https://hackaday.com COOL!!
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[18:33:05] <gregcnc> loo rolls? is that what they call them over there?
[18:34:47] <JesseG> haha cool
[18:35:06] <JesseG> I'd seen old fashioned bits for drilling square holes, but I guess no reason to not do it via cnc
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[18:59:58] <_unreal_> sup
[19:00:24] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, are you on lock down?
[19:00:50] <pink_vampire> yeah
[19:01:16] <_unreal_> This whole thing is such BS its scary
[19:01:36] <_unreal_> now we are drownding in work
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[19:07:07] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, tell me you at least have access to your machines?
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[19:11:43] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: just found out - cooL!
[19:13:08] <pink_vampire> yeah, my machines are in my living room,
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[19:14:17] <_unreal_> sweet
[19:14:51] <_unreal_> well time for this old boy to take a shower then I'm going to get back to trying to finish setting up the PSU for my new cnc
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[19:17:30] <jthornton> wow Missouri almost doubled the number of cases today
[19:17:40] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: I need to try it one day with my machine
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[19:26:21] <Tom_L> jthornton, it's ~89 up from 70 this AM
[19:26:22] <skunkworks> I need to grab the latest code from the machine...
[19:26:25] <Tom_L> here
[19:26:28] <pink_vampire> what do you think is better for cutting PCB climb vs conventional?
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[19:27:11] <jthornton> Tom_L, I think a lot of the increase is due to more testing going on
[19:27:21] <jthornton> any cases near you?
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[19:28:43] <Tom_L> 2 in town
[19:29:08] <Tom_L> they're about to put the county on shutdown
[19:29:58] <jthornton> nothing within 100 miles of me so far
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[19:30:30] <Tom_L> one was brought in to the hospital from Colorado
[19:30:37] <Tom_L> not sure how the other one got it
[19:31:12] <Tom_L> being rural probably helps you
[19:31:53] <Tom_L> they are not testing unless they are showing signs here due to the lack of test kits
[19:32:35] <Tom_L> under 60 don't get tested right now
[19:32:47] <jthornton> yea just about ready to pull my head and tail under my shell and chill out
[19:33:09] <jthornton> just need a few more things to last a month without going out
[19:33:31] <Tom_L> i think we're good for ~60 days or so
[19:34:18] <Tom_L> kids won't be restricted to work due to defense contracts
[19:35:08] <jthornton> most things we have would last for quite some time like freezer meat
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[19:36:12] <Tom_L> severe storms moving in late monday she tells me
[19:36:59] <jthornton> we get them tomorrow
[19:39:52] <pink_vampire> here we got some light snow today
[19:41:25] <_unreal_> jthornton, they dont call it the state of misery for nothing LOL
[19:42:00] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, PCB?
[19:42:05] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, what kind of cutting?
[19:42:08] <_unreal_> cutting the traces?
[19:42:14] <pink_vampire> yeah
[19:42:18] <_unreal_> one sec
[19:42:27] <pink_vampire> and also parting it
[19:42:59] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, https://www.amazon.com
[19:43:11] <_unreal_> they do NOT ware down
[19:43:21] <_unreal_> but they also do not cut as fast as V cutter do
[19:43:54] <pink_vampire> I have the tools, but how it is better to cut, climb OR conventional?
[19:43:59] <_unreal_> oh
[19:44:09] <_unreal_> dosent really matter
[19:44:18] <_unreal_> your cut is so shallow its not enough to defelect the bit
[19:44:21] <jthornton> actually Missouri is the best place to live
[19:45:05] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, so does not really matter
[19:45:36] <_unreal_> I use those bits because I can use one bit to drill all of my holes, cut my traces, cut break patterns and cut out the board witht he same bit
[19:45:40] <_unreal_> its just not fast
[19:45:48] <_unreal_> easy to break if the feed is to high
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[19:46:04] <pink_vampire> I need to make 2 pcbs.
[19:46:15] <_unreal_> well That would be the bit I suggest
[19:46:31] <_unreal_> other wise you can get the 1/32 V bits
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[19:46:52] <_unreal_> BUT the v bits ware out
[19:46:57] <_unreal_> those one's I linked do not
[19:47:09] <pink_vampire> I'm using 4F endmills
[19:47:16] <_unreal_> 4f?
[19:47:50] <_unreal_> how big?
[19:48:26] <pink_vampire> 1/32", 1/16", 1/8"
[19:48:49] <_unreal_> you have a four flute 1/32?
[19:49:35] <pink_vampire> yes
[19:50:03] <_unreal_> hum
[19:52:01] <pink_vampire> I'm using climb fur cutting and tracing, but I was curious to see what people use here.
[19:52:20] <_unreal_> I have found no difference
[19:52:28] <_unreal_> climb or traditional
[19:52:42] <_unreal_> again, the cut is so shallow it doesnt defelect the bit
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[19:55:35] <Elmo40> _unreal_, you making cuts??
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[19:59:15] <_unreal_> ?
[20:00:52] <pink_vampire> I don't like the V bits
[20:01:12] <_unreal_> :)
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[20:18:09] <_unreal_> OMG....
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[20:18:26] <_unreal_> I just gave up waiting and setup an on line account to edit my geico stuff
[20:18:28] <_unreal_> freaking hell
[20:18:48] <Tom_L> they won
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[20:29:42] <andypugh> Well, so, I am messing about with a Buster VM (Virtual machine in VMware Fusion on my mac)
[20:30:14] <andypugh> And the mouse pointer is really slow. So I found some advice on the internet to uninstall libinput.
[20:30:32] <andypugh> Now, that probably works on systems that have synaptics to fall back on....
[20:30:34] <_unreal_> and now your mouse is limp?
[20:30:48] <andypugh> but now I have a Buster that ignores all keyboard and mouse action.
[20:31:01] <_unreal_> can you telnet in
[20:31:05] <andypugh> Though the keyboard works in the recovery console
[20:31:24] <_unreal_> andypugh, try plugging a different keyboard it
[20:31:36] <_unreal_> if you have one. it may detect it?
[20:31:39] <andypugh> It’s a VM. so the Mac grabs it.
[20:31:44] <andypugh> Tried that.
[20:31:48] <_unreal_> Screwed
[20:31:50] <andypugh> ssh might be an option.
[20:31:51] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: saw the new RTAI deb package, memleak was worried about the howto instructions not being clear enough
[20:32:02] <CaptHindsight> thank you as well
[20:32:21] <andypugh> It would be nice to have an RTAI builbot slave
[20:33:01] <andypugh> I could, in theory, reinstall the driver, except that in recovery mode there is no network connection….
[20:33:07] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[20:33:42] <andypugh> I will just wipe and rebuild it. It’s only a VM.
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[20:33:54] <CaptHindsight> not ideal but what about using some mamazon VM cloud thing as a buildbot?
[20:34:16] <_unreal_> hehe, I'm going to cut off your eyes, ears, tung, arms and legs. you can keep the pecker >:) now save your self
[20:34:23] <andypugh> I mean in the sense of a LinuxCNC buildbot on buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[20:34:42] <_unreal_> save your self VM
[20:34:48] <CaptHindsight> yes i know but that is Sebs hardware and bandwidth
[20:34:52] <roycroft> can't you ssh to the vm and fix the problem?
[20:34:59] <_unreal_> roycroft, I already said that
[20:35:23] <roycroft> then i'll withdraw my suggestion and second yours!
[20:36:08] <roycroft> in future, a snapshot of the vm right before doing the scary thing might be in order
[20:36:26] <andypugh> It uses bridged networking, I am not sure if I can see it on the network as a different “thing” than my Mac
[20:36:45] <roycroft> it uses bridged networking, but it has its own ip address
[20:36:52] <_unreal_> andypugh, can you local as in from the machine your ON tell net into it?
[20:36:58] <roycroft> usually in net 172 - it brings up the bridge to the mac
[20:37:07] <roycroft> so you should be able to ssh to it from the mac
[20:37:13] <roycroft> if you can figure out what ip address it's grabbed
[20:37:49] <_unreal_> omg two hours later and I'm 11 in queue
[20:38:07] <_unreal_> I'm on the fedelity live chat, going to talk to them about getting some stocks setup
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[20:38:41] <_unreal_> and an account
[20:39:05] <_unreal_> oooooh number 10
[20:39:15] <_unreal_> one away from single digits
[20:39:31] <Rab> andypugh, is there a way to mount the image's filesystem? E.g. https://askubuntu.com
[20:40:05] <andypugh> I might be able to ut the .deb on a USB stick and mount that on the VM from the command line.
[20:41:03] <roycroft> in vmware fusion, you can go to the virtual machine settings -> network and get the mac address the vm is using
[20:41:29] <roycroft> and then, from the mac, arp -a will give you the match, with the ip address assigned to i
[20:41:30] <roycroft> t
[20:41:31] <_unreal_> wish I knew if this USB mach3 motion controller supports quadrature control. instead of just step/dir :(
[20:43:37] <_unreal_> wow the numbers are going down quick now
[20:44:32] <andypugh> roycroft: You might be on to something….
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[20:45:25] <_unreal_> #5 in line
[20:45:39] <_unreal_> seems like the numbers are going down faster now
[20:45:43] <_unreal_> #4
[20:46:18] <roycroft> it's under advanced options in the vm settings ->network panel
[20:47:23] <roycroft> and if it doesn't show up when you issue the arp command, ifconfig -a on the mac will show you all the interfaces
[20:47:35] <roycroft> there will usually be two virtual machine interfaces
[20:47:46] <roycroft> vmnet1 and vmnet8
[20:48:01] <roycroft> your vm will probably be using vmnet8
[20:48:28] <_unreal_> Oh wow there is a us zip code 12345
[20:48:46] <andypugh> Thanks, that seems to have worked :-)
[20:48:50] <roycroft> cool
[20:48:58] <roycroft> i need not go any further then :)
[20:49:05] <andypugh> And that’s going to be a useful tactic in future.
[20:49:25] <roycroft> ok, then i'll finish, because i was almost done
[20:49:25] <andypugh> If nothing else for SCP file transfer
[20:49:58] <roycroft> if it doesn't show up, then if th eip address of vmnet8 on the mac is 172.16.203.1, for example, then ping 172.16.203.255
[20:50:13] <roycroft> that will populate the arp table with an entry for every device on the network
[20:50:37] <roycroft> and then the arp -a command will show you the entry for the mac address, if networking is functional on the vm
[20:50:48] <roycroft> if networking is not functional then you're screwed anyway :)
[20:51:42] <andypugh> Fixed !
[20:52:01] <andypugh> And, it even has a decent mouse speed now, as a bonus.
[20:52:08] <andypugh> So it even worked.
[20:52:30] <roycroft> brilliant!
[20:53:25] <roycroft> i should get back to sharpening, because it's a slow and tedious process, which is perfect for being homebound indefinitely
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[21:40:56] <CaptHindsight> $2300 https://www.kickstarter.com
[21:43:03] <Javabean> $2300... low cost... yeah,no
[21:45:25] <CaptHindsight> even worse one for $750 https://www.ebay.com
[21:46:26] <CaptHindsight> can't tell from the pics, die cast cheddar or a stiffer cheese?
[21:48:12] <Javabean> don't know... but i do know that as it is "pre assembled" i will have to take the damn thing apart, clean/fix/adapt it, then put it back together again before i can find out if they bothered to include the magic smoke in the electronics
[21:48:44] <Rab> From the pix, looks like G10 or maybe even PVC sheet.
[21:48:58] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[21:55:53] <CaptHindsight> high density milk solids
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[22:22:20] <roycroft> so i just got an email from digi-key saying they intend to remain open for online business during the pandemic
[22:22:37] <roycroft> i've received nothing from mouser so far
[22:23:11] <roycroft> mcmaster say they will continue to ship, even to shelter in lace locations
[22:23:44] <roycroft> no will-call, of course
[22:23:55] <roycroft> not that i would drive down to reno for some fasteners
[22:26:17] <Rab> https://www.mouser.com
[22:26:49] <roycroft> that's exactly what i would expect of mouser
[22:27:04] <roycroft> those suppliers are vital industries
[22:27:25] <roycroft> they supply the health care and public safety sectors
[22:27:59] <roycroft> so one would expect them to say "we're still open, we're bing safe, you can't show up at our door, but we'll ship stuff to you"
[22:37:31] <CaptHindsight> https://imagebin.ca which mill is more rigid?
[22:54:23] <_unreal_> That one
[23:01:41] <CaptHindsight> uh huh
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