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[04:05:57] <Loetmichel> *yaaaaawn*
[04:06:27] <Loetmichel> more matches to hold the eyelids open please!
[04:06:53] <Loetmichel> <- at owrk, no corona-holidays
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[04:15:43] <Loetmichel> work
[04:17:26] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* coworker just came by: "who made this coffee? there will be no corona virus in it... MAAAN thats a stiff brew!" $me:"i did. its my normal coffe: fill the filter to the brim with ground beans, put half a pot of water into the machine!"
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[05:08:15] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: in least its not cup of covete
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[05:22:13] <rmu|w> cup of covfefe?
[05:22:35] <Loetmichel> maaan am i clumsy sometimes. just helped a coworker with something, caught my finger on his sheet metal toolbox. Result: about 10mm by 3mm of skin shaved off... bleeding AGAIN :-( *bandaid* *cursing*
[05:29:36] <XXCoder> so if someone wanted a blood sample from you by sleath, they would need to just wait a day or 2? ;)
[05:30:54] <Loetmichel> more like a few hours
[05:31:11] <XXCoder> lol
[05:31:19] <Deejay> moin
[05:33:17] <XXCoder> hey
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[06:12:39] <jthornton> morning
[06:12:48] <XXCoder> hey
[06:18:48] <Loetmichel> *snicker* I just showed the coworker how to manally fold the front lids of our PCs... 1.5mm alu, 19" wide... he just came to my desk: "it doesent move, what i am doing wrong?"... showed him again... He tries again: no movement... $me:"need to eat a few more black bread sandwiches, do you?" :-)
[06:19:24] <XXCoder> black bread sandinches?
[06:19:29] <XXCoder> *sandwinches
[06:19:49] <Loetmichel> Pumpernickel sandwiches, to gain a few more muscles
[06:21:12] <jthornton> is pumpernickel that hard to eat you build muscles trying
[06:21:33] <XXCoder> but I dont want big jaw muscles!
[06:26:54] <Loetmichel> jthornton: its pretty high at protein
[06:27:36] <Loetmichel> german saying. "iss' mehr schwarzbot, dann klappt das"
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[06:28:40] <Loetmichel> *heavy breathing* ... and another 1000eur worth of sheet alu at the company... maaan, my endurance war better a few decades ago... carrying in a few dozen sheets of AL isnt as easy as it once was ;)
[06:28:47] <Loetmichel> s7war/was
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[07:05:35] <p0g0> Loetmichel, I am curious, just how much of that coffee do you drink daily, and is it one of the high caffeine ones (Columbian, etc). People generally dislike the brew I make, but from the sounds of it, you have raised the bar.
[07:06:58] <Loetmichel> p0g0: about a full pot, why?
[07:07:15] <Loetmichel> and its indeed a 4/5 stars bean
[07:07:23] <Loetmichel> pure arabica beans
[07:07:50] <Loetmichel> 5 stars meaning "espresso", 1 star meaning "decaf"
[07:08:02] <p0g0> Hmm, no reason in particular. I take some grief for how much coffee I drink in the morning, it's just a peerage thing.
[07:09:40] <p0g0> Now, I did give away my espresso gear after it became a bit too obvious that I was getting a bit crazed.
[07:10:09] <p0g0> But, I have, *cough*, matured since then...
[07:14:56] * Loetmichel tends to make "cowboy" coffee
[07:15:36] <Loetmichel> put a horseshoe in: if it doesent melt its to cold, if it sings its not strong enough ;)
[07:15:42] <Loetmichel> sinks
[07:17:08] <p0g0> If my coffee sings to me, I'll likely not drink it, I admit. No eggshells (albumin makes the grounds settle)?
[07:18:43] <p0g0> Cowboy coffee here in the Olde West was boiled with the grounds- no drip or filters for the Stetson crowd.
[07:18:54] <p0g0> Hence the eggshells.
[07:19:29] <Loetmichel> i see
[07:19:55] <p0g0> Wretched coffee, for a fact.
[07:21:04] <Loetmichel> coffee that sat to long with the grounds in the soup tends to get a bit bitter though
[07:21:34] <p0g0> But caffeine is pretty heat stable. The tannins just get to come along a lot more with the prolonged boiling. Yeah, that's Tannic Acid leaching.
[07:22:05] <Loetmichel> indeed
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[07:24:46] <unterhaus> hexchat just locked up my win10 widgets like the speaker volume, that's an impressive feat
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[08:32:36] * Loetmichel is sitting here with tears of laughing in the eyes. THATS a good instruction how to wash hands: https://www.isnichwahr.de
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[09:32:28] <gregcnc> everyone staying safe? https://nowucka.com
[09:35:37] <JT-Shop> Loetmichel, what does that translate to in English?
[09:36:09] <gregcnc> ~ wash your hands like you just cut jalapenos and your about to masterbate
[09:36:55] <JT-Shop> lol
[09:40:09] <unterhaus> it doesn't seem like the toilet paper hoarders are going to try to sell. Must be nice to have that much extra storage space
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[09:41:51] <sensille> below the kitchen table?
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[10:12:12] <p0g0> I have to wonder what they are all going to do when the TP industry crashes, when all that stored up paper keeps them from buying any and the debt load takes down the Weyerhaeuser timber company. The newspapers here are anticipating that the US Postal Service will be bankrupt in some months, which sounds insane to me.
[10:13:59] <p0g0> I bet the bankruptcy lawyers are going to get busy soon too.
[10:14:44] <sync> p0g0: the interesting thing is toilet paper is pretty crisis proof
[10:14:49] <sync> and demand is virtually constant
[10:15:19] <sync> and due to the large amount of air in it there are factories all over because shipping it is not profitable
[10:17:52] <p0g0> It's just Pinus radiata, but they can leave the tree standing and wait for demand again. They supply choices were made some 20 years back, that being a typical growth span for the pine tree.
[10:17:59] <p0g0> *the
[10:19:59] <p0g0> And I think the point here is that demand, suddenly, is not constant.
[10:20:28] <p0g0> the Tp companies got an infusion of cash just now, but they, I expect, will at some point see less demand.
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[10:31:59] <Tom_L> when it's all over the HS kids can just use the leftover to TP their HS
[10:34:42] <SpeedEvil> Or make moonshine.
[10:34:47] <SpeedEvil> Just add cellulase.
[10:39:03] <p0g0> Or a methane generator, if it is used...
[10:39:59] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: what gregcnc said. also: its made by a hospital. so "official guilde to washing hands" :-)
[10:40:44] <sensille> Loetmichel: attributed to "die partei"
[10:41:09] <sensille> unfortunately not 'official'
[10:41:09] <Loetmichel> sensille: hmm?
[10:42:04] <sensille> it's a fake, the university says
[10:42:08] <Loetmichel> ah!
[10:42:24] <Loetmichel> damn, you take the fun out of everything
[10:42:31] <Loetmichel> thought that to he hillarious
[10:42:35] <Loetmichel> be
[10:42:46] <sensille> yeah, that's me. no fun at all
[10:44:29] <Loetmichel> and to be honest: knowing some german nurses (my mother was one) it is totally probable that that was made by some hospital staff.
[10:46:22] <p0g0> I'll guess that nurses have had folks show up for treatment that failed to wash after cutting up peppers.
[10:46:37] <Loetmichel> probably:-)
[10:47:54] <Loetmichel> point is that its good advice to get virii off the hands. wash them as well as you would if you had jalapeno juice on them.
[10:48:24] <skunkworks> or poison ivy
[10:48:26] <Loetmichel> would probably be the right way to describe it for many lazy kids :-)
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[10:49:05] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: most have never experienced poison ivvy on the hands here.
[10:49:40] <Loetmichel> jalapenos is pretty common though, and so is the effect if you touch any thin skin parts afterwards
[10:49:59] <Loetmichel> (eyes are great in that regard, been there done that. ONCE)
[10:50:03] <skunkworks> Loetmichel: well - you don't know you really have it - but it is like trying to get rid of axle grease from you hands..
[10:50:08] <skunkworks> but you can't see it.
[10:52:23] <p0g0> ahh, axle grease: "Invisible Glove", from Blue Magic, inc, Cleveland OH... that stuff is really good for oil, grease, paint, etc- you end up with no contamination at all when you apply it before mechanicing.
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[11:57:09] <roycroft> does anyone have experience with vinyl gloves around solvents?
[11:57:21] <roycroft> i'm running low on nitrile gloves, and none are to be had anywhere
[11:57:44] <roycroft> even if they were, i would not want to buy them right now - 100% of them should go to health care workers
[11:57:49] <Tom_L> i used to use some green ones but i'm not sure what they were
[11:57:50] <roycroft> but i can get 5 mil vinyl gloves
[11:57:52] <Tom_L> not nitril
[11:58:17] <roycroft> i'm concerned that they won't hold up to acetone/mek/etc. for more than seconds
[11:58:36] <roycroft> i should get some anyway - i use gloves for more than handling solvents
[11:58:58] <roycroft> if the vinyl ones don't work well with solvents i can use them for other things and save the nitrile gloves for tasks that require them
[12:00:15] <roycroft> i wear gloves when doing glue-ups and applying dyes and varnishes when woodworking, for example
[12:00:23] <roycroft> vinyl gloves would probably work fine for that stuff
[12:00:58] <Tom_L> http://protective.ansell.com
[12:01:00] <Tom_L> neoprene
[12:01:09] <Rab> roycroft, no personal experience, but I can't let that stop me from commenting: https://tsmfg.com
[12:01:33] <Rab> Doesn't look encouraging re: acetone.
[12:02:21] <Tom_L> i used those for strippers
[12:02:46] <jthornton> I thought dollar bills work the best for strippers
[12:02:58] <Tom_L> times are tough
[12:06:02] <gregcnc> https://mashviral.com
[12:08:14] <roycroft> rab: i've never done any formal testing, but my sense is that vinyl will melt almost instantly in the presence of many common solvents
[12:09:08] <Rab> roycroft, I've found that to be so, but I'm not sure about the exact composition of vinyl gloves.
[12:10:57] <roycroft> well i'm down to a couple boxes of the thinner (3 mil and 5 mil) nitrile gloves, and a few boxes of thicker ones
[12:11:17] <roycroft> i'm anticipating it may be months before nitrile gloves are readily available again
[12:11:37] <roycroft> i'm already reusing them more than i am accustomed to doing, which is probably a good habit to be in anyway
[12:12:13] <roycroft> so maybe getting some vinyl gloves for use in messy but non-harsh tasks would be another good way of stretching the resource
[12:13:00] <Rab> I have these for cleaning out my sewer pipe, and the label alleges "Poor" resistance to acetone and MEK.
[12:13:05] <Rab> https://www.homedepot.com
[12:15:33] <roycroft> so vinyl gloves seem ok for ethanol, but only for seconds
[12:15:50] <roycroft> i use ethanol a lot
[12:15:59] <Rab> For nitrile gloves, I usually turn them inside out and store for next time. Sometimes washing my gloved hands with soap and water, first. But I'm usually doing relatively clean tasks like cleaning electronics, not handling grease or stuff that dries like varnish.
[12:16:18] <roycroft> 3 mil nitrile gloves are not very reusable
[12:16:41] <roycroft> they tear too easily when removing them or putting them on for a second time
[12:16:52] <roycroft> 5 mil hold up a lot better to repeat use
[12:17:19] <roycroft> i use 3 mil when i'm doing things where reusing would not make sense anyway - handling greasy car parts, etc.
[12:17:40] <roycroft> i'd have to use a bunch of solvent just to clean them well enough to reuse, and that doesn't make sense
[12:17:47] <gregcnc> hah, i often reuse them too roll them off and blow them back inside out. i thought i was the only one that weird
[12:18:06] <Rab> The ones I use are 5 mil, but they typically fail through tearing rather than degradation.
[12:18:07] * Loetmichel nearly never wears gloces, although we have both latex glocves and those "butler" cotton gloves here.
[12:18:13] <roycroft> but if i'm using 7 mil or 10 mil nitrile gloves when doing messy stuff like that, cleaning with solvent and then reusing does make sense
[12:18:33] <gregcnc> i bought a case a few years ago
[12:18:37] <roycroft> rab: same here, but 5 mill don't stand up to acetone for very long
[12:18:47] <Loetmichel> not even when handling alu sheets that were cut on metal shears... i think i simply have enough callus(SP?) on my hands ;)
[12:18:50] <Tom_L> Loetmichel doesn't care about slicing his hands off either
[12:19:11] <roycroft> they last quite a while with mineral spirts/ethanol/lacquer thinner
[12:19:14] <Tom_L> or grinding.. whatever the case might be
[12:19:18] <roycroft> but only a few minutes with acetone
[12:19:30] <Loetmichel> nah, not that often that i hurt myself in a way taht wouldnt have been preventable with wearing gloves
[12:19:46] <roycroft> i would recommend wearing gloves when doing anything that might abrade or cut one's hands right now
[12:20:04] <roycroft> it doesn't do any good to wash your hands after being out in public if you have open wounds on your hands
[12:20:19] <roycroft> the virus will enter your body before you can get home to wash your hands
[12:20:41] <roycroft> so please take extra care during this pandemic
[12:21:09] <Rab> Man I can't do a damn thing until my McMaster-Carr order arrives, and my wife expects me to be working while she watches our son...what I can do
[12:21:09] <Loetmichel> roycroft: thats what sterile bandaids are for
[12:21:12] <roycroft> even minor nicks/abrasions are dangerous at the mment
[12:21:23] <Loetmichel> replace after washing hands of course
[12:22:29] <roycroft> and btw, your earlier link
[12:22:30] <roycroft> best
[12:22:31] <roycroft> hand
[12:22:33] <roycroft> washing
[12:22:34] <roycroft> sign
[12:22:35] <roycroft> ever
[12:23:28] <gregcnc> next time you're at the deli counter or restaurant pay attention to how people use gloves, even with supposed training
[12:23:40] <roycroft> i already do, gregcnc
[12:24:37] <gregcnc> so you watch them pick stuff off the floor or wipe on their clothing, use teh cash register. etc.
[12:25:04] <roycroft> i tell them to wash their hands and put on new gloves when they do something like that
[12:25:17] <roycroft> they're usually taken aback that i would challenge them, but don't usually push back
[12:25:19] <Loetmichel> roycroft: indeed, thought it to be hillarious, especailly because it seems to have come from a hospital. sensille said its a fake though
[12:25:25] <roycroft> when they do i ask to speak to their manager
[12:25:38] <roycroft> it's probably fake, loetmichel
[12:25:42] <Tom_L> gregcnc, the big one is handling food and money at the same time
[12:25:51] <gregcnc> unfortunate they don't understand even though they have been trained
[12:25:59] <roycroft> but contrary to popular belief germans are not devoid of a sense of humor
[12:26:08] <roycroft> they just have a kind of warped sense of humor
[12:26:17] <roycroft> so i call it fake but plausible
[12:26:37] <roycroft> tom_l: yes, that's what i see about 80% of the time
[12:26:38] <Loetmichel> indeed
[12:26:43] <gregcnc> gloves are for show in most cases
[12:26:52] <roycroft> and i've even been told by some that the cash register is sanitized
[12:26:57] <Tom_L> keeps the FDA happy
[12:27:02] <roycroft> i always agree that it might be
[12:27:05] <roycroft> but the money is not
[12:27:07] <Loetmichel> i also thaought it plausible, especailly because my mother and her friends were nurses... the stories i have heard as a child
[12:27:20] <Loetmichel> ... maybe thats why i am pretty careless with my body ;)
[12:27:52] <roycroft> i'm not a germophobe by any means
[12:28:11] <roycroft> but i've alwasy thought of myself as one who takes prudent measures
[12:28:18] <Loetmichel> btw: silver based change is pretty "clean" germ wise.
[12:28:26] <roycroft> and right now i'm being especially cautious
[12:28:29] <Tom_L> roycroft, i went to get some keys cut (professional shop) and was kidding with the guy about the virus. he assured me that his register UV light comes on to sanitize the money when it's closed
[12:28:41] <gregcnc> silver coins? it's 2020
[12:29:08] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: euros are still made of abut 30% slver IIRC
[12:29:11] <Loetmichel> silver
[12:29:12] <roycroft> especially since i'm in a high risk category
[12:29:23] <roycroft> i don't think so
[12:29:27] <Tom_L> old and cranky or just cranky?
[12:29:34] <roycroft> i am over 60
[12:29:49] <roycroft> but the big thing is that i had pneumonia a few years ago and have some permanent lung scarring from it
[12:29:58] <roycroft> that raises me up to a really high risk level
[12:30:10] <Tom_L> you shouldn't even be on here!!!
[12:30:28] <Loetmichel> ah, i stand corrected: euros are made fom nickel and brass. the copper in the brass is the germ killer
[12:30:47] <roycroft> and i am correct
[12:30:47] <Loetmichel> just remembered that euro coins have germicidal properties
[12:30:58] <roycroft> there is no silver in euro coins, other than mint specimens
[12:31:33] <roycroft> i'm pretty sure no current coinage anywhere in the world that's minted for general circulation contains any precious metals
[12:32:05] <Tom_L> copper seems pretty precious do the druggies
[12:32:21] <roycroft> our pennies have not been made of copper since 1982
[12:32:26] <roycroft> they're copper plated zinc
[12:32:27] <Tom_L> right
[12:32:54] <roycroft> a penny-size piece of copper is worth about 3 cents right now, iirc
[12:33:47] <gregcnc> maybe last year
[12:36:23] <Loetmichel> roycroft: according to the EZB euro coins are made of a copper nickel alloy for the "silver" parts and copper zinc alloy (brass) for the golden parts
[12:36:38] <Loetmichel> so all parts of an euro coin are germicidal
[12:37:16] <Loetmichel> in germany the "pfennige" and now the euro cents are made from steel with a copper coating
[12:37:36] <Loetmichel> still germicidal, the core is of no interest for the surface properties ;)
[12:38:54] <Loetmichel> point is that all coins have germicidal properties, to my knowledge they even have some paints on the paper money that are germicidal
[12:39:15] <Loetmichel> the "dirty money" is a, UL, at least for euro countries
[12:39:21] <Loetmichel> an
[12:39:30] <Loetmichel> that was the point
[12:40:48] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: why to the druggies especially?
[12:41:16] <FinboySlick> Easy to steal, easy to sell?
[12:41:38] <Loetmichel> ah, you mean for getting money
[12:41:40] <Loetmichel> i see
[12:41:58] <Loetmichel> but thats not confined to druggies
[12:42:09] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: Gold isn't antibacterial.
[12:42:23] <Loetmichel> here in europe most metal theives are eastern europe gangs that usually dont take any druggie in their ranks
[12:42:39] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: there is no gold in euro coins either
[12:42:48] <SpeedEvil> I know.
[12:42:51] <Loetmichel> gold coulered aka brass
[12:42:55] <Loetmichel> coloured
[12:43:07] <SpeedEvil> I happened to be looking at a listing for gold coins.
[12:43:26] <SpeedEvil> As antique coins can have some interesting designs.
[12:43:27] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: tahts not for general circulation though
[12:43:33] <SpeedEvil> Well, it was.
[12:43:36] <SpeedEvil> Back in the day
[12:43:52] <Loetmichel> define "back in the day"
[12:44:00] <sensille> Loetmichel: that ebay-compressor is indeed really living up to its 92dB
[12:44:29] <Loetmichel> sensille: tell me about it... mine seems to even top its 96db printed on the box ;)
[12:44:47] <SpeedEvil> sensille: labyrinth multi-layer cabinet can help lots
[12:44:53] <sensille> my poor neighbors. can reload it only once per month i guess
[12:45:12] <sensille> SpeedEvil: or buying the silent one for the same price
[12:45:24] <SpeedEvil> If it is the same price and CFM/...
[12:45:26] <sensille> (with half the CFM)
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[12:56:01] <roycroft> "<roycroft> i'm pretty sure no current coinage anywhere in the world that's minted for general circulation contains any precious metals"
[12:56:17] <roycroft> i used two qualifiers in that statement - "current" and "general circulation"
[12:57:08] <roycroft> and to clarify, in case it's needed, by "current" i mean "currently minted" not "currently legal tender"
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[13:06:12] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:10:30] <SpeedEvil> https://www.gold.co.uk is neat.
[13:11:32] <methods_> can someone try adding something to a cart at zoro.com
[13:11:52] <methods_> i've tried a couple browsers and can't get teh cart to work just wondering if it's my computer or the actual site
[13:12:29] <methods_> ah nm it's just me tried another computer and works fine
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[13:27:00] <roycroft> so much for that
[13:27:25] <roycroft> i was just on the harbor freight website, and they had 5 mil vinyl gloves in stock in medium, large, and x-large sizes
[13:27:34] <roycroft> so i added 4 boxes of large to my cart
[13:27:37] <roycroft> went to check out
[13:27:45] <roycroft> at payment time my cart was emptied
[13:27:57] <roycroft> and the website now says they have x-large only, and only in stores
[13:28:27] <roycroft> i'm pretty sure my local store doesn't have any
[13:28:45] <roycroft> and i'm not really wanting to drive over there to find out
[13:28:55] * roycroft searches elsewhere
[13:29:53] <roycroft> i guess vinly are used in medicine too, so it's probably best that i not get them anyway
[13:30:11] <roycroft> i thought only latex and nitrile were used in the health care industry
[13:31:09] <methods_> i think they're using whatever they can get their hands on
[13:32:32] <roycroft> i know they're permitted to use non-approved ppe for now
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[14:35:19] <gregcnc> loetmichel, found you a used bmw https://www.ebay.de
[14:36:55] <Rab> roycroft, I received spam from Harbor Fright on Sunday stating that they were donating all their PPE (N95 masks, face shields, and 5/7 mil nitrile gloves) to ER hospitals.
[14:37:30] <Rab> I don't know if that extends to recalling in-store inventory, but I wouldn't count on any stock.
[14:38:26] <Rab> McMaster is here, have to decide on my decontamination protocol.
[14:40:41] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: no station wagon: no thanks ;)
[14:42:04] <gregcnc> I may try to find an e46 touring
[14:42:38] <CaptHindsight> how do you drive it around with that bubble over it?
[14:42:52] <Loetmichel> nah, to small. 5xxi touring or go home ;)
[14:43:15] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: you dont. its an invest, not a daily driver
[14:43:21] <Loetmichel> look at the price. insane
[14:44:26] <CaptHindsight> Gefährt?
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[14:45:19] <Loetmichel> od german for "vehicle"
[14:45:22] <Loetmichel> old
[14:45:24] <Loetmichel> why?
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[14:46:56] <unterhaus> I like the car bubble
[14:47:47] <CaptHindsight> keeps the factory fresh odor in
[14:48:41] <unterhaus> yeah, it has airflow
[14:49:03] <unterhaus> interestingly not the large retailer amazon
[14:49:14] <CaptHindsight> https://i.ebayimg.com
[14:49:50] <unterhaus> did they trailer it home from the dealer?
[14:49:54] <CaptHindsight> not so pretty
[14:50:21] <CaptHindsight> it's clean, I'm referring to the patchwork of panels
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[14:51:20] <unterhaus> you're looking at the lift
[14:52:02] <CaptHindsight> 9
[14:53:17] <CaptHindsight> you're saying it doesn't come with those ladder things!
[14:53:56] <CaptHindsight> that is how it jumps over holes in the road
[14:55:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com example
[15:00:33] <Loetmichel> unterhaus: it has 255km on it
[15:00:37] <Loetmichel> so probably not
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[15:08:47] <Papagno> Hi. I have a problem with xyzbc-trt-gui. When is open with xyzbc-trt.ini config, the memory required of xyzbc-trt-gui , increase in continus and have out of memory. this problem is the same with yxzac-trt-gui
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[15:20:36] <CaptHindsight> Papagno: I'd ask on the forums
[15:21:03] <Papagno> CaptHindsight, ok thanks
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[15:29:11] <fragalot> 'sup
[15:32:51] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: been quite
[15:32:59] <CaptHindsight> quiet even
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[16:28:08] <unterhaus> there was a guy here that had a big collection of really nice cars and then dropped dead.
[16:28:28] <unterhaus> I was more envious of the lift and toolboxes, but none of it got used much
[16:28:33] <XXCoder> hope guy have ironclad will
[16:28:52] <unterhaus> His kids were selling the cars
[16:28:54] <XXCoder> because thats kind of thing that can cause nasty legal war that all lwyers benefit
[16:29:56] <unterhaus> if I die of covid, at least my kids won't be able to go to the hospital and express disapproval about my machine collection in the basement
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[16:34:34] <fragalot> unterhaus: as long as they sell things for their value, rather than what you told your wife you paid for it
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[18:06:13] <Deejay> gn8
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[19:54:29] <_unreal_> hello
[19:54:41] <_unreal_> ve7it, Whats new
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[19:57:25] <veegee> Lol this virus situation is hilarious to me
[19:57:34] <veegee> I'm thoroughly enjoying what's happening in america right now
[19:57:43] <rue_mohr> how many of your freinds/family have died from it yet?
[19:57:53] <veegee> None because we're not stupid
[19:58:03] <rue_mohr> this is good
[19:58:06] <unterhaus_> where you at?
[19:58:10] <veegee> Toronto
[19:58:11] <rue_mohr> canada
[19:58:31] <rue_mohr> our hospital here is all geared up for a infection rate of no more than 0.25%
[19:58:33] <veegee> I studied two years of virology in university by the way
[19:58:35] <rue_mohr> :/
[19:58:42] <unterhaus_> but stupid people are all around us here in the U.S.
[19:58:44] <veegee> but I forget that literally no one else has any idea what that is
[19:59:05] <veegee> And most people have no background in biology/chemistry
[19:59:13] <rue_mohr> I wish I did :(
[19:59:22] <veegee> science should be mandatory in high school, I can't believe it's not
[19:59:27] <rue_mohr> I need to turn myself into a robot, and I'm missing half of what i need to know
[19:59:29] <veegee> but I hope this plays out with all the idiots dying
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[20:00:18] <unterhaus_> the idiots are going to take out plenty of non-idiots, unfortunately
[20:00:24] <veegee> It's hard for me to understand just how little most people know in general
[20:00:29] <veegee> like the basics
[20:00:50] <veegee> what a virus even is, how it can spread, what proteins and enzymes are, how they work, etc.
[20:01:09] <rue_mohr> I'd like to know more abuot killing virus' with UVC
[20:01:22] <veegee> anything that can denature the protein will do it
[20:01:23] <unterhaus_> a doctor friend explained to me how the disease would progress. It's like a horror movie
[20:01:33] <veegee> heat, ionizing radiation, etc.
[20:01:44] <veegee> but all those things affect our proteins too in the same way
[20:01:52] <unterhaus_> the video I saw from the spanish hospital with everyone having trouble breathing was just horrific
[20:01:53] <rue_mohr> veegee, petri dish culture, diy @ home, what would a person need?
[20:02:09] <veegee> you w on't be able to culture a virus like that at home
[20:02:15] <veegee> it needs a host cell
[20:02:18] <rue_mohr> I'd hope not
[20:02:22] <veegee> can be a plant or animal cell
[20:02:23] <rue_mohr> I'm going for basics
[20:02:32] <veegee> but you can grow bacteria and fungi much easier
[20:02:40] <veegee> and a virus is technically not "alive"
[20:02:41] <rue_mohr> yes, lets start with mushrooms
[20:02:53] <unterhaus_> was going to make a joke about licking a sign at walmart and decided not
[20:02:56] <pink_vampire> Is It A Good Idea To Microwave This? Will It Blend?
[20:03:18] <rue_mohr> veegee, so goat blood
[20:03:26] <rue_mohr> always about the goats
[20:03:32] <veegee> it's just a protein that injects its RNA/DNA into a host cell and makes the host cell machinery build its proteins and usually literally cause the host cell to explode with many more virus particles
[20:03:39] <veegee> well get nutrient agar
[20:03:47] <veegee> just leave it sitting out and I guarantee that something will grow onit
[20:03:51] <veegee> or even a slice of bread
[20:03:54] <rue_mohr> diy home, kitchen, cmon
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[20:04:09] <veegee> there are viruses, bacteria, fungi all over the place in our air
[20:04:14] <rue_mohr> duh
[20:04:23] <rue_mohr> :)
[20:04:27] <veegee> human DNA also contains viral DNA because humans evolved with viruses
[20:04:49] <rue_mohr> my understanding is that lots of evl stuff hides in our spinal column
[20:05:01] <veegee> not sure what that means
[20:05:02] <rue_mohr> dont recall the reference
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[20:05:16] <rue_mohr> samples of most everything a person has had
[20:05:25] <rue_mohr> something about the immune system using it as memory
[20:05:31] <veegee> oh
[20:05:33] <rue_mohr> or something, I could be way off
[20:05:34] <veegee> well you have memory B cells
[20:05:57] <rue_mohr> veegee, how biology versed are yuo?
[20:06:04] <veegee> it was my major
[20:06:15] <veegee> I was going to go into medicine but I hated the elitism so I decided not to
[20:06:19] <rue_mohr> ok, but as far as humans?
[20:06:29] <veegee> human biology/immunology/virology majors
[20:06:55] <rue_mohr> I need someone to help me with stuff in the process of trying to turn myself into a robot (please just ignore the crazy person part)
[20:06:57] <veegee> not as well versed with bacterial processes
[20:07:26] <rue_mohr> I figure the one comming in ~4years is gonna be BAD
[20:07:29] <veegee> well no one knows what consciousness is, so how can you replicate that
[20:07:35] <veegee> but if you mean everything except for the brain, it's technically possible
[20:07:47] <rue_mohr> veegee, its ok, I'm a software guy, I'm reverse engineering what I can from the inside
[20:08:00] <veegee> master your understanding of the neuro-muscular junction
[20:08:15] <rue_mohr> its a horridly proprietory platform, but my existence depends on figuring it out
[20:08:23] <veegee> you won't make it
[20:08:37] <veegee> everyone has been trying and people still can't
[20:08:48] <rue_mohr> otherwise I'd bother just as much as if I were asked to port a mac classic program to a x86
[20:08:56] <veegee> it's very highly feedback regulated
[20:08:59] <rue_mohr> veegee, yea, I'm not gonna give up
[20:09:04] <veegee> and there are millions of feedback processes
[20:09:15] <veegee> LOL not sure if you're being serious or not
[20:09:24] <rue_mohr> yea, I'm not worried about the software, I need help with the hardware
[20:09:43] <veegee> just machine some limbs
[20:09:53] <Tom_L> veegee, a little dimented but serious
[20:10:21] <veegee> if you get as far as precise motor control of a prosthetic, you're already godlike
[20:10:28] <veegee> no one's been able to do it
[20:10:29] <rue_mohr> maybe the goal of my existance is to see the light from the supernova of Betelgeuse
[20:10:57] <veegee> no one's been able to simulate mammalian walking in a robot even
[20:11:10] <rue_mohr> I'm circling closer to some emg stuff
[20:11:33] <veegee> I mean researchers got close, but still nowhere near what mammals actually do
[20:12:01] <rue_mohr> I have more confidence in my skills then theirs
[20:12:08] <rue_mohr> even if I dont know what I'm doing
[20:12:45] <rue_mohr> but hey, are you always in this channel?
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[20:13:36] <veegee> Yes but I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling
[20:14:03] <rue_mohr> dont worry about that, answer questions if you want to
[20:14:04] <veegee> I thought you were just being silly
[20:14:27] <rue_mohr> maybe I think its silly to just accept that your gonna die one day and thats that.
[20:14:34] <rue_mohr> and never try to do anything about it
[20:14:36] <veegee> ....ok so serious you are
[20:14:44] <Tom_L> :)
[20:14:55] <Tom_L> he's been at this for years
[20:14:56] <rue_mohr> I'm also always too late to the punch
[20:15:08] <veegee> lol what! are you serious?
[20:15:18] <rue_mohr> no, he's tom
[20:15:20] <veegee> what have you been trying to actually do?
[20:15:34] <rue_mohr> I'v been working on reverse engineering my mind
[20:15:35] <Tom_L> mostly research
[20:15:42] <rue_mohr> I'm pretty good at reverse engineering
[20:15:42] <veegee> what does that even mean?
[20:15:46] <veegee> ok stop
[20:16:01] <veegee> if you're approaching a biological organism like discrete logic, it's not going to work
[20:16:04] <rue_mohr> rue_mohr, you wigged him out, GOOD ONE
[20:16:10] <rue_mohr> obviously not
[20:16:33] <rue_mohr> but the nervouse system IS PFM modulated digital signalling :P
[20:16:59] <rue_mohr> rue_mohr, this is where you be quiet a while
[20:17:05] <veegee> ok wow, I studied neurobiology too and I can't even begin to describe how much more there is to it than that
[20:17:16] <veegee> it's not digital
[20:17:20] <veegee> everything is analog
[20:17:24] <veegee> even digital is actually analog
[20:17:55] <rue_mohr> :) now who is drawing random lines
[20:18:13] <veegee> sure action potentials are electro-chemical signals, but you're not going to map it out like that
[20:19:26] <unterhaus_> went to home depot yesterday. Bad idea. Just going to grocery stores until this thing dies down
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[20:19:54] <rue_mohr> I only need 8000-10000 years, its not like I'm trying to be immortal
[20:19:55] <unterhaus_> 93.5% of home depot workers and customers are in total denial
[20:20:03] <rue_mohr> oh no
[20:20:28] <rue_mohr> the death rates are gonna make italy look like a kids play
[20:20:48] <unterhaus_> fortunately there aren't many cases here in central Pa to spread
[20:21:20] <unterhaus_> but some people are working at it. If churches start opening again, we will be in trouble
[20:22:02] <rue_mohr> ~4 years
[20:22:09] <veegee> lol especially churches
[20:22:15] <veegee> religious people are the most ignorant
[20:22:17] <rue_mohr> I'm sure its gonna spread the same but be WAY deadlier
[20:25:17] <rue_mohr> ok I have a large cnc to keep making parts for...
[20:25:27] <unterhaus_> the little churches are probably still meeting, who knows?
[20:26:47] <rue_mohr> I want to ask about using insulated carbon fiber electrodes for nerves tho... bbl
[20:38:09] <andypugh> I had an interesting work experience, I went from doing metallurgy research to doing skin graft research.
[20:38:27] <andypugh> Suddenly my samples didn’t go rusty, they went mouldy.
[20:39:33] <unterhaus_> no fun, I like rust a lot better
[20:39:43] <andypugh> It’s easier to polish off.
[20:40:13] <unterhaus_> I was at a precision engineering conference where they were trying to recruit people for a project where they were going to poke needles into a mouse's brain
[20:40:46] <unterhaus_> and make it run on a treadmill. Many needles at once, trying to measure a single signal in the brain
[20:41:19] <andypugh> (The background is that I specialised in designing experimental equipment and the skin graft shaps neded a way to quantify the forces developed by skin grafts as they grow. They always seem to pull tight, you see. And if you want to develop drugs that compat that, you want to measure the result in-vitro)
[20:42:08] <andypugh> unterhaus_: Sound interesting, but not something I would want to be involved in.
[20:45:01] <unterhaus_> the whole lab is full of psychopaths, probably
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[21:38:18] <_unreal_> hello
[21:39:55] <Tom_L> evening
[21:44:44] <CaptHindsight> don't get a skin graft on the bottom of your foot if you don't have to
[21:46:05] <CaptHindsight> unterhaus_: well you do need to get the probes in somehow
[21:47:07] <CaptHindsight> and neurology is a very very underfunded branch of medicine
[21:47:30] <CaptHindsight> so we still have needles for machine brain interfaces
[21:47:47] <_unreal_> machine brain interface?
[21:48:18] <_unreal_> Nothing like needles and brains in the same sentense
[21:49:59] <CaptHindsight> why psychiatry is still so primitive
[21:50:39] <SpeedEvil> What we really need is a full model of a neuron that works properly.
[21:50:54] <SpeedEvil> But even then you need to simulate billions of them often to get useful output
[21:51:32] <CaptHindsight> lots of spare ones to go around
[21:51:37] <_unreal_> SpeedEvil, brings me back to the days of when I use to work for the Jackson lab
[21:51:48] <_unreal_> world leader in bio medical research
[21:54:16] <unterhaus_> is there any language where "engineer" is used the same way as it is in the U.S.?
[21:54:33] <_unreal_> ?
[21:54:59] <CaptHindsight> choo choo train engineer?
[21:55:27] <CaptHindsight> social engineer
[21:55:48] <CaptHindsight> mechanical engineer
[21:56:22] <unterhaus_> mechanical engineer
[21:56:34] <unterhaus_> what is a Oprichter/eigenaar in dutch?
[21:56:41] <unterhaus_> is that a machinist?
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[21:57:27] <unterhaus_> google translate says founder/owner, so not what I thought.
[21:57:43] <CaptHindsight> a machinist just operates machines that cut materials
[21:58:23] <unterhaus_> brits call a machinist an "engineer"
[21:59:07] <CaptHindsight> a mechanical engineer here would be involved in the design but not necessarily the fabrication
[21:59:19] <CaptHindsight> one might oversee fabrication
[21:59:22] <unterhaus_> Someone who was originally from Scotland told me he was an engineer at an american company. Realized quickly that he meant machinist
[21:59:45] <unterhaus_> I know how we use the term in the U.S., I'm curious about elsewhere
[21:59:57] <CaptHindsight> i think it does vary
[22:00:22] <CaptHindsight> and even here there are Professional engineers that are licensed
[22:00:29] <unterhaus_> I think the brits also use it the way we use it here, which makes it a bit confusing
[22:00:39] <_unreal_> has changed I'm sure with TIME as well
[22:00:43] <CaptHindsight> yet one may be an engineer and not be licensed
[22:01:15] <_unreal_> hehe its more of a tidle
[22:01:17] <unterhaus_> you can't sell engineering services unless you are licensed. I'm pretty sure that is true everywhere in the u.s.
[22:01:33] <CaptHindsight> you can
[22:01:49] <_unreal_> I do.
[22:01:52] <unterhaus_> not legally. Probably not enforced. You have to call them something else
[22:01:54] <CaptHindsight> just not for areas that require licensing
[22:01:56] <_unreal_> and no i'm not licensed
[22:02:30] <_unreal_> then again I work on luxury yachts
[22:02:40] <unterhaus_> customers require licensed engineers when it matters
[22:03:00] <_unreal_> unterhaus_, mainly Safety
[22:03:02] <CaptHindsight> the majority of engineers in the USA, chemical, electrical are not licensed
[22:03:06] <_unreal_> in construction
[22:03:19] <_unreal_> its mandated
[22:03:36] <CaptHindsight> most in Civil are
[22:03:39] <unterhaus_> I thought about getting my license. Too late to get one when I got my Ph.D. though
[22:03:52] <CaptHindsight> post hole digger?
[22:04:03] <unterhaus_> pile higher
[22:04:08] <_unreal_> if your going design a building. It must be designed by licensed architects etc..
[22:04:40] <_unreal_> 10pm time to make din
[22:05:02] <unterhaus_> my boss says he's a P.E. Ph.D. He got the PE license once and I'm a little surprised nobody has called him on it
[22:05:04] <CaptHindsight> very few IT Engineers are licensed
[22:05:44] <CaptHindsight> and systems architects :)
[22:05:56] <_unreal_> unterhaus_, where did you get your nick handle from?
[22:06:12] <unterhaus_> came from someone teasing my dad
[22:06:27] <unterhaus_> name is keller == under house
[22:06:43] <_unreal_> ?
[22:06:59] <unterhaus_> keller == basement == under house
[22:07:28] <_unreal_> cellar?
[22:07:41] <unterhaus_> keller is the german word for basement
[22:08:00] <CaptHindsight> what type of machine is a gin mill?
[22:08:15] <unterhaus_> Many Germans label their doors, it's funny to see "Keller" on a door
[22:09:51] <unterhaus_> is it a horizontal gin mill or a vertical gin mill?
[22:10:36] <unterhaus_> when I first started calling myself unterhausen, nobody on the internet but me was using it
[22:10:52] <unterhaus_> It's like the opposite of oberhausen
[22:10:56] <unterhaus_> "loser"
[22:11:09] <CaptHindsight> do they use different terms there for engineer vs designer for say electronic circuits or interior design?
[22:11:39] <unterhaus_> I feel like Germans are very specific about such things
[22:11:52] <unterhaus_> but Loetmichel is sleeping one off
[22:12:06] <CaptHindsight> over here the corporate types just hijack words
[22:12:23] <unterhaus_> eventually google will become useless
[22:12:27] <CaptHindsight> automation will not have a single machine involved
[22:13:26] <unterhaus_> there was that article that Medium took down because some techbro thought he understood epidemics because they had stolen a lot of words from epidemiology
[22:13:41] <CaptHindsight> automation engineer = software developer involved in writing applications that automate some data process
[22:14:38] <CaptHindsight> you show up for the job fair and you bring examples of all the robots you designed and installed
[22:14:47] <unterhaus_> deep learning == some guy that barely speaks English training a neural net
[22:15:15] <CaptHindsight> and in English :)
[22:15:32] <unterhaus_> right
[22:15:52] <CaptHindsight> 3d printer was a fun one
[22:16:02] <unterhaus_> facebook really hates certain types of tools, they think woodworking tools are either a gun or knife
[22:16:07] <CaptHindsight> what type? "blank stare"
[22:16:29] <CaptHindsight> might be in texas :)
[22:16:38] <unterhaus_> but it's a computer vision algorithm, so you can understand
[22:17:46] <unterhaus_> the one I saw yesterday was an adjustable bevel "sliding t bevel" I think the algorithm thought the blade was a gun barresl
[22:18:02] <unterhaus_> ^barrel
[22:18:56] <unterhaus_> I have worked with training computer vision algorithms, it's an honest mistake, and computer could make it
[22:19:25] <CaptHindsight> back in the 70-80's we called it "image processing"
[22:19:49] <CaptHindsight> some time in the 00's it became machine vision
[22:20:01] <CaptHindsight> or computer vision
[22:21:02] <unterhaus_> image processing didn't really try to extract meaning
[22:21:32] <unterhaus_> although I guess pattern matching has been around for a while
[22:21:47] <CaptHindsight> digital image processing vs analog image processing
[22:22:17] <CaptHindsight> a subgroup of morphological filters
[22:22:27] <CaptHindsight> pattern matching
[22:23:09] <unterhaus_> I always found it too frustrating. I wasn't meant to serve horseshit to people that wanted to spend money on things that were never really going to work right
[22:23:35] <unterhaus_> I got my degree at the wrong time, because all of a sudden that was big business
[22:23:57] <CaptHindsight> selling crap that almost works is the in thing
[22:24:38] <unterhaus_> the trick is believing you can deliver when you write the proposal. I have a real blind spot for that
[22:24:47] <CaptHindsight> what we would laugh at is now the preferred method, just get it to sort of work as soon as possible
[22:25:27] <unterhaus_> I worked for a guy that I think is a real genius, but the truth is he over-promised a lot and now the sponsors are being tolerant as he grinds his way through the problems
[22:25:52] <unterhaus_> and solves them the way I would have, but they never would have given me the project because I would never over-promise
[22:27:48] <unterhaus_> the smartest mechanical engineer I know is doing machine learning for a medical school right now
[22:28:57] <CaptHindsight> everyone I knew has left
[22:29:49] <CaptHindsight> the USA at least
[22:31:07] <unterhaus_> I know a few that left. Not the really smart ones though. One of them is an executive in a really big consumer products company in India
[22:31:40] <CaptHindsight> it's very anti-intellectual here
[22:31:41] <unterhaus_> One guy I knew got a half million dollar loan and left for China, unannounced
[22:32:17] <unterhaus_> fbi came around looking for info 6 months later :)
[22:33:06] <unterhaus_> He actually had made about that much on ebay while he was getting his Ph.D.
[22:35:13] <CaptHindsight> I got funds, offices and an empty factory in China about 7 years ago from their guberment
[22:35:31] <CaptHindsight> I didn't stay
[22:36:10] <CaptHindsight> additive manufacturing
[22:36:55] <CaptHindsight> 100 miles from Wuhan
[22:39:07] <unterhaus_> how long were you there?
[22:39:29] <CaptHindsight> on and off a couple of years
[22:40:46] <unterhaus_> I can't see myself setting up a factory there. I have thought about trying to get a visiting professor gig in India though
[22:40:52] <CaptHindsight> they just wanted the know how, didn't give them much
[22:41:44] <unterhaus_> are you doing much additive manufacturing now?
[22:42:39] <CaptHindsight> yes, resin printers, inkjet, sand molds/cores for casting
[22:43:44] <CaptHindsight> i get calls from several different co's all about the same project, usually guberment
[22:44:07] <CaptHindsight> all trying to do the same thing for the "secret project"
[22:44:22] <CaptHindsight> comes in waves
[22:44:49] <CaptHindsight> some engine part or similar for aerospace
[22:45:18] <unterhaus_> funny
[22:45:44] <CaptHindsight> all can't say what they are trying to do
[22:45:54] <CaptHindsight> but send you a similar file to make
[22:45:55] <unterhaus_> sounds like someone put out a RFP
[22:45:59] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[22:46:27] <CaptHindsight> scrambling around looking for materials or a printer
[22:46:58] <unterhaus_> AM has high potential for selling B.S. right now still
[22:47:12] <CaptHindsight> I'm surprised by how many can't get simple things to work
[22:47:26] <unterhaus_> I think what we are working on is a good thing, so I'm fine with working in AM
[22:48:01] <CaptHindsight> well yeah, you can make some porous or brittle part and then say but we can try to make it better with some R&D..
[22:48:17] <CaptHindsight> knowing it would be quite a leap to get it there
[22:48:26] <unterhaus_> that's where over-promising comes in
[22:48:39] <CaptHindsight> but you hold up the "proto" in some board room
[22:48:43] <unterhaus_> but it might not work with a real project
[22:48:53] <CaptHindsight> and they see "well look it's almost there"
[22:49:35] <CaptHindsight> In see it all the time, people get funding for crap
[22:49:37] <unterhaus_> one of my previous bosses got fired off a big program by a large defense contractor
[22:49:46] <CaptHindsight> In/I
[22:50:04] <unterhaus_> funny thing was it was about the only project I thought was actually not total nonsense
[22:50:23] <CaptHindsight> but you can't even volunteer to provide them with real tech insight as to why it's crap
[22:50:29] <CaptHindsight> they don't want to know
[22:51:49] <CaptHindsight> fir instance i have a water soluble after curing resin that only a few co's could make work
[22:51:50] <unterhaus_> is this the secret project people, or in general?
[22:51:58] <CaptHindsight> in general
[22:52:20] <CaptHindsight> you have to do everything for them, hold their hands the whole way
[22:52:32] <CaptHindsight> but they need to manage you
[22:52:43] <CaptHindsight> and take credit
[22:52:48] <unterhaus_> that's all that is left of engineering in big companies
[22:53:29] <unterhaus_> I always figured the Chinese would just take over because companies in the U.S. are just a hollow shell
[22:53:44] <CaptHindsight> the recent secret projects are mostly dental
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[22:53:56] <CaptHindsight> the clear aligner patent expired
[22:54:36] <CaptHindsight> so everyone is scrambling to make clear aligners since it's $20 of plastic sold for $2,000
[22:54:57] <unterhaus_> that's nice, next will be a new round of patents
[22:55:35] <CaptHindsight> so I get co's using all sorts of non FDA compliant materials to make them
[22:56:18] <CaptHindsight> all trying to make the same thing but call and ask without saying exactly what they are making
[22:57:00] <unterhaus_> have you gotten anyone to admit they are making something to compete with clear aligner?
[22:57:25] <CaptHindsight> some do, some don't
[22:58:31] <CaptHindsight> they could just ask about how to make them but they want to have us find some cheap materials or printer for them to use
[22:59:09] <CaptHindsight> the profit margins are crazy high so they don't want to you getting in on the action
[22:59:37] <CaptHindsight> to you/ you to
[22:59:44] <unterhaus_> do you see any future in it for you?
[23:00:25] <CaptHindsight> what the dental?
[23:00:31] <unterhaus_> yes
[23:01:00] <CaptHindsight> we probably sell different materials and machines to all the competitors
[23:01:28] <CaptHindsight> they take on the risk on FDA
[23:01:48] <CaptHindsight> some countries have less oversight as well
[23:01:54] <CaptHindsight> if any
[23:03:36] <unterhaus_> on a totally different note, the facebook bicycle framebuilders group has been totally taken over by non-framebuilders
[23:03:43] <CaptHindsight> heh
[23:04:29] <unterhaus_> there is a thread on there with 50 responses and one of them is from a framebuilder. Not even any good engineering
[23:04:50] <CaptHindsight> #reprap
[23:05:03] <CaptHindsight> everyone is an expert
[23:05:27] <unterhaus_> so many people want to build a frame some day. That's fine, but don't answer people's questions
[23:05:41] <CaptHindsight> now it's the open ventilators
[23:05:58] <unterhaus_> yeah, that went to crap very quickly
[23:06:24] <CaptHindsight> https://blog.arduino.cc
[23:06:31] <CaptHindsight> like this crap
[23:06:45] <skunkworks> I am an expert.. Just ask me.
[23:07:02] <unterhaus_> the face guards probably aren't too bad
[23:07:33] <unterhaus_> If I'm in a hospital and they bring in a pvc ventilator, I'm going to ask for the lethal dose of fentenyl
[23:08:02] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: if they had only half the skill that you have
[23:08:47] <unterhaus_> I keep seeing the design that has a bladder which is actuated by a pvc pipe
[23:09:03] <unterhaus_> There are some good designs that use arduinos.
[23:09:17] <unterhaus_> that doesn't scare me too much
[23:09:21] <CaptHindsight> https://techcrunch.com
[23:09:28] <CaptHindsight> this one ^^
[23:10:52] <unterhaus_> it's pretty simple, although the valving might not be
[23:11:32] <CaptHindsight> a few days ago they printed some nozzles that were out of stock
[23:11:50] <CaptHindsight> the cost was $11K ea
[23:12:06] <CaptHindsight> used FDM and they worked
[23:12:09] <unterhaus_> and got sued
[23:12:23] <CaptHindsight> yeah, waiting for that news on the case
[23:12:57] <unterhaus_> that valve doesn't look like you could have patent protection, but you can patent anything nowadays
[23:13:11] <unterhaus_> even in Italy
[23:13:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.theverge.com
[23:13:52] <unterhaus_> I've heard that part is pretty much only used in italy
[23:15:04] <CaptHindsight> the guys that printed it appeared to be competent
[23:15:41] <unterhaus_> it happens sometimes
[23:16:02] <unterhaus_> I see, the company didn't give them drawings, which isn't really justified
[23:16:10] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: thanks.. I am good at winging it.
[23:16:56] <unterhaus_> I thought I saw that the U.S. need for ventilators is going to be 1 million
[23:17:07] <unterhaus_> and we are fighting over a few hundred
[23:17:12] <CaptHindsight> maybe
[23:17:15] <unterhaus_> you still need that bladder though
[23:17:40] <unterhaus_> so your 3d printed PVC pipe and plywood creation still might not be enough
[23:17:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe more if they will call off the distancing around Easter
[23:18:29] <unterhaus_> I'm trying not to encourage people to go to their mega-church
[23:18:49] <CaptHindsight> hey you reap what you sew
[23:18:58] <CaptHindsight> let em go
[23:19:02] <unterhaus_> or sow, as the case may be
[23:19:09] <CaptHindsight> yeah sp
[23:19:19] <unterhaus_> homonyms are going to kill us
[23:19:31] <skunkworks> I love that word
[23:19:32] <CaptHindsight> sew what?
[23:19:40] <CaptHindsight> a stich in time
[23:20:51] <unterhaus_> I'm surrounded by just the kind of people that have internalized the hoax nonsense. But they are hoarding everything
[23:21:22] <unterhaus_> next time I go to the grocery, I'm going to wear my full face respirator
[23:21:40] <CaptHindsight> i debated then just wore gloves
[23:21:55] <unterhaus_> wearing some kind of mask is not a bad idea
[23:21:57] <CaptHindsight> I've likely had covid
[23:22:14] <CaptHindsight> I'll take an antibody test to verify
[23:22:29] <unterhaus_> lots of people are saying that, but are you dead? no
[23:22:47] <CaptHindsight> not that i am aware
[23:23:03] <unterhaus_> see, you probably aren't dead, although I admit you might not be aware if you were
[23:23:04] <CaptHindsight> dry cough, fever, aches etc
[23:23:19] <unterhaus_> exposure to a known case?
[23:23:29] <unterhaus_> You're in Chicago?
[23:23:48] <Tom_L> i heard Il was on lockdown
[23:23:55] <CaptHindsight> well thats it the thing, somebody else in the channel brought up the same circumstance
[23:24:16] <CaptHindsight> yes we are in Shelter in PLace
[23:25:08] <CaptHindsight> sister of friend was hospitalized with viral pneumonia of unknown type
[23:25:38] <CaptHindsight> they did not test or if they did they did not tell them the result
[23:26:08] <CaptHindsight> so it seems they are trying to keep positive results to a minimum
[23:26:28] <unterhaus_> yeah, viral pneumonia is likely covid
[23:26:49] <unterhaus_> testing has been sparse, I'm sure they would have tested if they didn't have that problem
[23:26:53] <CaptHindsight> she is also asthmatic
[23:27:23] <unterhaus_> I saw somewhere that asthma isn't as complicating as you might think
[23:27:42] <CaptHindsight> well just her example
[23:28:00] <unterhaus_> although some people have barely controlled asthma, I figure those people are not going to do well
[23:28:08] <unterhaus_> did she recover?
[23:28:15] <CaptHindsight> yes, fine now
[23:28:21] <unterhaus_> that's good
[23:28:35] <CaptHindsight> a few days of a real scare
[23:28:36] <unterhaus_> sure would be nice for her to know
[23:28:52] <unterhaus_> If she knew, you'd know, etc
[23:29:07] <CaptHindsight> doesn't seem to be the plan here
[23:29:16] <unterhaus_> things are changing rapidly
[23:29:31] <unterhaus_> testing is still the weak spot
[23:29:43] <unterhaus_> not enough tests for everyone that has probably been exposed
[23:30:01] <CaptHindsight> somebody here was just in the hospital this past weekend, unknown viral pneumonia, no Covid test, fine now
[23:30:27] <skunkworks> we are only going to know how bad it was by the deaths.
[23:30:41] <CaptHindsight> i agree
[23:30:45] <skunkworks> was/is
[23:30:55] <unterhaus_> the way medicine works here we will probably get adequate testing eventually
[23:31:15] <skunkworks> but then 50% of the population won't believe the numbers anyway
[23:31:27] <CaptHindsight> another problem
[23:31:29] <unterhaus_> 40%, but they vote reliably
[23:31:37] <skunkworks> sad
[23:31:45] <CaptHindsight> tell me what to think
[23:31:57] <unterhaus_> I suspect they will find out since that is the population that is ignoring safe practices
[23:32:09] <skunkworks> good point.
[23:32:38] <unterhaus_> and they are often fat, which is really bad in combination with covid
[23:32:47] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com reminds me of this scene
[23:32:59] <skunkworks> we are segragated at work (I have been working from home) my coworker said - he didn't see anyone all day.
[23:33:13] <unterhaus_> that's good
[23:33:33] <skunkworks> yes. They are trying. But the second someone test positive they are screwed.
[23:34:23] <unterhaus_> I saw some factory had 60% absenteeism after the first positive
[23:35:19] <unterhaus_> since Amazon and costco all have had positives, I wonder if people are going to continue to show up
[23:35:56] <unterhaus_> that's the kind of thing that leads people to suggest buying water
[23:36:07] <unterhaus_> what if the water treatment chemical factory has to close
[23:36:34] <CaptHindsight> factory? you mean faucet hose and water filter? :)
[23:37:02] <skunkworks> it is more than that! wait - isn't it? ;)
[23:37:54] <unterhaus_> there will still be tap water, but you will have to boil it
[23:38:53] <CaptHindsight> profit uber alles
[23:38:57] <unterhaus_> 1 gallon/day/person for 2 weeks is standard disaster planning recommendation for water.
[23:39:52] <unterhaus_> I have heard the usual stock for water treatment plants is 1 week supply of chemicals
[23:40:54] <CaptHindsight> I'm outside the city, Chicago actually has a pretty good plant
[23:41:16] <CaptHindsight> out here its pretty sketchy
[23:41:44] <CaptHindsight> water towers and tanks
[23:43:48] <CaptHindsight> aquifers or piped in from other town
[23:43:48] <unterhaus_> ring video of a guy gloating over buying toilet paper is pretty funny
[23:44:01] <unterhaus_> https://twitter.com
[23:44:34] <unterhaus_> we get our water from wells, so I'm sure it needs pretty serious treatment given the proximity to outhouses/septic systems
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[23:46:46] <unterhaus_> have to do my yearly sandusky training soon. Thanks Jerry
[23:56:29] <unterhaus_> i have to say it was worth taking the first 2 times. Everyone that works near children should have it
[23:57:11] <unterhaus_> The last 5 times haven't seemed so worthwhile
[23:58:38] <unterhaus_> some people are gloating about all the cases being concentrated in blue states
[23:59:13] <unterhaus_> not recognizing that most of them have vast swaths of people that would be right at home in Alabama
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[23:59:44] <unterhaus_> I suspect that's where most of the victims in New Jersey are coming from, for example