#linuxcnc | Logs for 2020-03-26

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[00:02:32] <skunkworks> or stupid college kids..
[00:09:33] <unterhaus_> I was really afraid of what would happen here after spring break. Fortunatly it only took 3 days for Penn State to realize they shouldn't bring the students back from Florida
[00:10:01] <unterhaus_> thankfully Harvard was smarter
[00:10:20] <unterhaus_> after they shut down, everyone had to, pretty much
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[00:33:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.axsysdental.com
[00:34:43] <CaptHindsight> the SCARA must have cap touch so when it is touched it cuts motor power or operates a clutch
[00:40:01] <CaptHindsight> open source? where? https://www.axsysdental.com
[00:42:49] <CaptHindsight> Liner guides & ballscrews with preloaded bearings.
[00:42:49] <CaptHindsight> Closed loop system with micro-stepper technology and position encoders.
[00:43:00] <CaptHindsight> Liner guides? :p
[00:43:32] <CaptHindsight> a professional editor was not hired
[00:44:06] <CaptHindsight> gotta find me some preloaded bearings
[00:45:29] <CaptHindsight> Spindle 80,000 RPM .5kW Air Cooled
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[03:02:35] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[03:05:36] <Loetmichel> unterhaus_: yes, just arrived at the company. STILL not really awake. our mechanical Engineer/Telephone girl was roaming around and said "dont be startled by me standing behind the door!"... looks at me: "ah, you dont get startled, especially ind not fully awake yet, i forgot." $me "yep!" :-)
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[03:17:02] <Deejay> moin
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[03:53:56] <Loetmichel> *sigh* ordererd 30 2mm mill bits that arrived yesterdy. new coworker already killed 8 :-(
[03:58:28] <sensille> that is expensive
[03:58:52] <sensille> doesn't he care?
[04:01:07] <Loetmichel> new guy, student fresh from university (closed). cant expect him to know every kink of those machines.
[04:01:47] <Loetmichel> also i shouldnt have programmed the gcode on the edge of what that machine/mill bits are capable of, speed wise
[04:05:35] <Loetmichel> I have now set the feed override to 60%. works so far. only 20 plates more to go ;) (with a few 100 air vent holes in each)
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[04:31:44] <the_ment> hello
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[04:32:09] <the_ment> any ideas for temperature control mechanism that is more advanced than PID?
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[05:51:19] <rue_mohr> PD
[05:52:08] <jthornton> morning
[05:52:16] <XXCoder> hey
[05:52:21] <XXCoder> jt the robo broke heh
[05:52:28] <XXCoder> so im stuck doing nasty job
[05:52:37] <XXCoder> rough on hard steel part ugh
[05:52:49] <XXCoder> only postive is 3 parts a day
[05:55:22] <Tom_L> morning
[05:55:29] <XXCoder> hey tom
[05:56:12] <Tom_L> you read during part changes?
[05:56:12] <jthornton> going to be sunny and 80°F here today... going to ride the mountain bike for sure
[05:56:27] <Tom_L> starting to dry out here
[05:56:32] <Tom_L> similar day ahead
[05:57:05] <jthornton> more rain friday night and saturday here
[06:04:29] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:05:08] <jymmmm> morning
[06:05:29] <pink_vampire> hi jymmmm
[06:05:37] <XXCoder> hey pink
[06:05:42] <jymmmm> hi pinky
[06:05:42] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[06:05:57] <pink_vampire> how is life?
[06:06:17] <XXCoder> sucks.
[06:06:27] <jthornton> https://gnipsel.com
[06:06:40] <jymmmm> 52f/32f today, patches of snow still on ground
[06:06:46] <jthornton> I planted those tomato plants in the raised beds yesterday
[06:06:52] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: why??
[06:07:10] <XXCoder> pollen allegy and work envorment air is really taking me down
[06:07:20] <pink_vampire> jthornton: almost ready to make pizza
[06:07:22] <XXCoder> my lungs simply cant clean out that fast
[06:07:44] <pink_vampire> are you using a respirator?
[06:07:50] <XXCoder> no
[06:08:03] <pink_vampire> start using one,
[06:08:17] <XXCoder> crap masks only at work
[06:08:47] <pink_vampire> I have the 3m 6200 with the OV filters
[06:09:15] <XXCoder> basically cant buy any such thing here now
[06:09:22] <XXCoder> company normally has n95 masks at all time
[06:09:29] <XXCoder> they only have crap one now
[06:09:30] <pink_vampire> you must use something better then the paper masks
[06:09:39] <jymmmm> jthornton: lightweight concrete raise garden panels DIY https://manabouttools.com
[06:10:35] <jymmmm> jthornton: I thought they looked really nice, and modular
[06:10:44] <XXCoder> jym nice!!
[06:10:57] <jthornton> interesting indeed
[06:12:22] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: https://www.ebay.com
[06:12:43] <XXCoder> 85 usd. whats normal price
[06:13:21] <pink_vampire> $30
[06:13:29] <XXCoder> than im not buying
[06:13:32] <XXCoder> fuck profiteers
[06:13:53] <pink_vampire> it is the only option I found
[06:14:11] <XXCoder> yeah ill just keep going as usua;
[06:14:23] <XXCoder> its not first problem i got, and wont be last
[06:14:58] <jthornton> https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com
[06:15:27] <XXCoder> 2 to 3 month lead time oucjh
[06:15:36] <XXCoder> saving link for later
[06:17:20] <XXCoder> jt hm someone said i should be in "at risk" group
[06:17:27] <XXCoder> because corona will kill me
[06:17:39] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[06:18:06] <pink_vampire> I found this one!
[06:18:08] <jymmmm> the p95 (better than the N95) mask from harbor freidht is made in USE and $18 half mask, I love mine and replacement filters are available
[06:18:15] <jymmmm> USA*
[06:18:26] <XXCoder> interesting, first time i see "seller is away till ..."
[06:18:30] <XXCoder> at ebay
[06:18:45] <XXCoder> jy yeah? interesting, might be an option
[06:18:57] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: try to place an order..
[06:19:15] <XXCoder> nah im looking into p95 now
[06:19:30] <pink_vampire> maybe you will be able to get it in that price
[06:20:03] <pink_vampire> jymmmm: HF don't sell PPE stuff anymore - they donated everything
[06:20:15] <pink_vampire> same with fastenal
[06:20:20] <jymmmm> XXCoder: It fitered out bleach and everything, couldn't smell anything
[06:20:22] <XXCoder> no wonder i cant find it
[06:20:35] <jymmmm> pink_vampire: Yeah, "not found" on HF website now, gee thanks.
[06:21:13] <jymmmm> gee thanks HF*
[06:21:34] <XXCoder> lol
[06:22:01] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: get from ebay
[06:22:03] <XXCoder> soon half million recorded cases of corna. sucks
[06:22:10] <jymmmm> There were 6 4.0+ earthquakes yesterday all around the pacific crust
[06:22:47] <jymmmm> pacific coast of russia had 3 5.0+ EQ's
[06:23:04] <jymmmm> ...over 12 hours
[06:24:12] <XXCoder> its end of world
[06:24:14] <XXCoder> nah
[06:24:25] <XXCoder> end of worlders is annoying
[06:25:08] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: if you get something, make sure the filter is P100, and also Organic Vapor
[06:25:22] <XXCoder> ok
[06:25:42] <XXCoder> problem is wearing it for work everyday is weird, and will have sores :(
[06:25:49] <XXCoder> so even with it it wont last forever
[06:26:00] <pink_vampire> I'm using it all day
[06:26:27] <pink_vampire> the silicon is very soft
[06:26:40] <XXCoder> errm im very slightly allegric to silican
[06:26:41] <pink_vampire> don't strap it very strong,
[06:27:22] <XXCoder> skin will go not great then slight rash
[06:28:20] <pink_vampire> you must clean the inside part of the mask each time before you use it. - this is a must.
[06:29:10] <pink_vampire> same with the face.
[06:29:16] <XXCoder> makes sense
[06:29:22] <XXCoder> constantly humid. not great
[06:29:47] <pink_vampire> here it's cold and dry
[06:29:54] <jymmmm> XXCoder: clean your face with bleach and a wire brush
[06:30:17] <XXCoder> here its in very heavy rain season, finally though seem to be ending soon already. usually over month
[06:30:54] <XXCoder> just read about stunning dumb people
[06:31:10] <jymmmm> XXCoder: stun gun?
[06:31:11] <XXCoder> during coronavirus thing, missionaires tried to contact amazon people again
[06:31:22] <jymmmm> dumbasses
[06:31:36] <XXCoder> they are very isulated, if one of dumbasses had coronavirus..
[06:31:42] <XXCoder> dead, all of em
[06:31:48] <pink_vampire> someone want pancakes?
[06:31:58] <XXCoder> no thanks just ate dinner
[06:32:02] <rmu|w> for the missionaries, dead doesn't matter
[06:32:16] <rmu|w> the only thing that matters is baptized before death or nor
[06:32:18] <rmu|w> not
[06:33:13] <jymmmm> SMH
[06:33:29] <rmu|w> in the dark ages there have been some pretty ridiculous rules regarding executions of non-believers
[06:33:41] <jymmmm> you mean yesterday?
[06:33:51] <XXCoder> rmu including killing people who recently force-converted to ensure they stay good christians
[06:34:10] <rmu|w> executing a non-believer was usually not a big deal, but usually they tried to baptize them while execution was ongoing
[06:35:06] <rmu|w> the thing was to avoid executing a baptized christian, so you had to choose the moment of baptizing very carefully after inflicting a mortal wound but before the person was dead
[06:35:31] <XXCoder> fun
[06:36:00] <rmu|w> those "missionaries" should be fed their own medicine from some other religion, e.g. transplant them into taliban camp
[06:36:08] <rmu|w> and vice-versa
[06:36:36] <XXCoder> sorry, not into rough vigilite justice
[06:39:15] <rmu|w> XXCoder: think "study trip"
[06:39:27] <XXCoder> hah
[06:39:40] <rmu|w> to get a more diversified perspective on things
[06:40:11] <rmu|w> force-removal of religious blinders ;-)
[06:40:38] <XXCoder> i wonder what kind of office work I can do
[06:48:17] <p0g0> jthornton, I did not look at your raised tomato beds- I have such in my greenhouse. Tomatoes need a pollinator (or a purchased and applied hormone), so my tomatoes were a luscious green, leafy, and utterly unproductive, not a single fruit in the greenhouse since I don't keep a hive of bees in there.
[06:48:58] <XXCoder> isnt there a way to "rent" bees?
[06:49:11] <p0g0> Oh, I can manage the issue now that I see it coming.
[06:49:22] <XXCoder> cool :)
[06:49:28] <p0g0> The commercial bee folks do rent. but not around here.
[06:49:46] <p0g0> That's more a coastal orchard thing.
[06:50:23] <p0g0> I have lots of bees anyway, both european and native- they just die like flies in the greenhouse.
[06:51:08] <XXCoder> hmm any way to use em? or you use something else?
[06:51:54] <p0g0> The mites and pesticide issues with european bees is already an issue here, but I've taken a census of the local natives, and have > 10 species, as well as some interesting butterflies.
[06:52:25] <XXCoder> heard one of issues of bees is diet. they need more vareity than all same plant
[06:53:07] <p0g0> I will just get the fruit set hormone if I try tomatoes in the greenhouse again. I might,as I have a strain of local tomato that has been raised here for >75 years, and I seem to be the only one left with that variety.
[06:53:26] <XXCoder> ouch
[06:53:42] <XXCoder> try keep that going and save seeds give to some people
[06:54:00] <XXCoder> more and more anti-seed stuff out there for farming, and monocultures
[06:54:12] <p0g0> Yeah, bees are under a lot of stress, the GE biocides, the varona mite, pesticides and herbicides are all hammering them.
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[06:55:14] <p0g0> I have done the Raise Hundreds and Give Them Away, that seems to last about 1 season. If you want to keep the strain pure, it needs an isolated crop, and that's harder for most home gardeners.
[06:55:56] <XXCoder> :(
[06:56:17] <XXCoder> i recently read about "seedless" avocodo
[06:56:21] <XXCoder> crazy
[06:56:29] <p0g0> Some of us live in the middle of nowhere, so it's just a natural thing...
[06:56:30] <Loetmichel> auaua! *jump around* *suchk at the right pinkie* ... just bent some alu... managed to drop the 30lb steel bar ("bending tool" onto my finger from one foot above... maaan its nice when the pain subsides :-(
[06:56:55] <XXCoder> p0 i want to grow one of those trees but its so hard lol
[06:57:03] <p0g0> Loetmichel, we are going to start a betting pool on how often you self-injure...
[06:57:03] <XXCoder> its so hard to just germate seed
[06:57:20] <XXCoder> you have one or more of those trees?
[06:57:35] <p0g0> What, the avocado?
[06:57:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:57:57] <Loetmichel> p0g0. no injury. just a bit of pain. already good... :-)
[06:58:24] <p0g0> No I do not, but they are the classic stick some toothpicks in them and hang them half submerged in water...
[06:59:02] <p0g0> Loetmichel, So we have some different classes of bet: Painful, Bleeding, Needs Hospital...
[06:59:47] <Loetmichel> the last is pretty rare though
[07:00:16] <p0g0> XXCoder, I split the greenhouse between flowers and garden stuff, not really big enough for a tree.
[07:01:15] <p0g0> Loetmichel, we'd have to trust you to not throw the game tho...
[07:02:03] <XXCoder> loet wait till 1:20 on you losing a finger, and we bid million bucks?
[07:02:34] <p0g0> XXCoder, I wouldn't want to add a "maimed" category.
[07:02:40] <XXCoder> lol
[07:03:01] <Loetmichel> i would say thats pretty low probability, considering i am 51 now and still dont miss ANY appendages.
[07:03:57] <p0g0> I took an economics course in college that talked about an Italian economist, Pareto, that sorted out how to value injuries like that- a sort of bidding market: If I offered you $500,000 for your left arm sort of stuff.
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[07:05:05] <Loetmichel> p0g0: i may be a bit careless, but i am also pretty lucky. never any serious injury ;)
[07:05:30] <Loetmichel> (for varying definitions of "serious") ;)
[07:05:43] <p0g0> Loetmichel, yeah, you do seem to keep them in the often but small category, sort of the $1 lottery ticket class of betting.
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[07:13:25] <Loetmichel> its also kind of an attitude thing. i mean i cut open my palm down to the point where you can see the thumb muscle move... "nah, no problem, few stitches, back to work"... someone other may have taken 2 weeks ill leave on that.
[07:14:19] <XXCoder> i have way too many problems
[07:14:23] <XXCoder> i just keep going
[07:14:25] <Loetmichel> went to the ER, gto stiched up, went back to the company, cleaned up the bloddy mess (pun intended), continued working.
[07:14:43] <XXCoder> once teased boss about bringing his shotgun to work if I ever die, because I might go to work anyway
[07:14:43] <Loetmichel> got
[07:15:00] <Loetmichel> :-)
[07:15:02] <Loetmichel> same
[07:15:46] <Loetmichel> but i live in germany, here the doc can write you a "yellow slip" and send you home and the boss cant do a thing and still has to pay you. cant even fire you for it.
[07:15:59] <Loetmichel> so here that attitude isnt that widespread
[07:16:54] <XXCoder> usa they can fire you for wearing yellow shirt
[07:17:12] <XXCoder> the "right to work" states
[07:17:15] <XXCoder> name is a sick jpoke
[07:18:14] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: yeah, not so much in germany. here the workers are pretty safe. "hire and fire" isnt really a thing.
[07:18:25] <XXCoder> cool :)
[07:18:43] <XXCoder> im just in diffult position now
[07:19:06] <XXCoder> i really suck on interviews so are nearly unhirable heh
[07:19:12] <Loetmichel> often times a worker does his apprenticeship oin a company and stays at that company til he retires
[07:19:30] <XXCoder> and im not sure what to do if I need to go post-0machinist job
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[08:45:17] <Loetmichel> maan, five hours at work, JUST managed to start the cad to continue my main job desinging a new enclosure. some days are so many distractions it isnt even funny any more. :-(
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[09:41:48] <Lee-> XXCoder, what type of work are you looking for?
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[10:10:17] <rmu|w> going to start my brother TC225 retrofit in a bit. according to https://forum.linuxcnc.org there is much fun to be had.
[10:25:23] <gregcnc> original brother control?
[10:25:30] <rmu|w> yes
[10:25:40] <gregcnc> not running or?
[10:25:55] <rmu|w> kinda
[10:26:19] <rmu|w> but drip-feeding programs at 4800bps is no fun
[10:26:37] <gregcnc> well it is a drill tap
[10:26:51] <rmu|w> the CRT is dead
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[10:29:37] <gregcnc> will table stand up to much milling? i've read the older brother are not built for it
[10:30:04] <rmu|w> I'm only going to use is for light work in aluminium
[10:30:18] <rmu|w> mostly drilling ;)
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[10:31:29] <rmu|w> somehow the previous owner managed to get coolant into the electical cabinet
[10:31:48] <rmu|w> bottom 2cm (1inch) was completely flooded
[10:34:40] <gregcnc> new servos and drives as well?
[10:35:02] <rmu|w> no i will try to go with what is in there
[10:35:29] <rmu|w> it powers up, enables, and the now-dead crt worked for about 2 minutes
[10:35:45] <rmu|w> servos seemed to work
[10:36:27] <rmu|w> i.e. under power you couldnt move the table whereas it moves easily when powered off
[10:36:48] <rmu|w> didn't try more
[10:37:13] <rmu|w> cleaned out a metric ton of chips packed into every corner under the way covers, no idea how they got there
[10:37:37] <Loetmichel> rmaw: what input is on that CRT?
[10:38:59] <Loetmichel> you could try usea cheap TFT TV that has all kinds of video inputs like composite/yc/scart and try to get it to run on the machine, they usually have well documented interfaces, and depending on age either EGA or composite or even just TTL monochrome
[10:41:14] <rmu|w> Loetmichel: i got a simple small TFT TV
[10:41:16] <rmu|w> 10" or so
[10:41:19] <rmu|w> simple BAS signal
[10:41:23] <rmu|w> seems to work
[10:41:48] <Loetmichel> yeah, thats what i meant
[10:42:07] <Loetmichel> those signal converters in these TVs are not vbery picky on signal quality
[10:42:14] <rmu|w> this machine has an interface for bubble memory cards!
[10:44:19] <rmu|w> dual-core 8086 with one 8087
[10:46:00] <Loetmichel> sounds like "rip it out, replace with an I5 and some mesa boards and linuxCNC"
[10:50:00] <unterhaus_> Loetmichael, what is the German word for engineer? The kind that graduated from university and does design work
[10:51:08] <rmu|w> Loetmichel: mesa board is on its way, next thing is figure out the pinouts. didn't find anything useable in the forum thread.
[10:51:25] <unterhaus_> which mesa board?
[10:52:12] <rmu|w> 7i97
[10:52:18] <unterhaus_> the way I remember it is you have should start with mesa docs
[10:52:56] <gregcnc> did you ask the guy?
[10:53:05] <Loetmichel> unterhaus_: Ingenieur and if its a M.sc its "Dipolm Ingenieur"
[10:53:06] <rmu|w> gregcnc: yes, 5min ago ;)
[11:00:14] <rmu|w> gregcnc: 3kW spindle servo, 400W X/Y, 700W Z is not nothing! max. cutting rate 5000mm/min / ~200ipm
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[11:00:58] <unterhaus_> where is your thread on the forum?
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[11:01:27] <rmu|w> this is the brother drill and tap thread https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[11:04:26] <unterhaus_> so you are asking about the pinouts on the brother side? Might be tricky
[11:04:35] <rmu|w> why
[11:05:11] <rmu|w> it's just 20pin pinheaders
[11:05:14] <rmu|w> IDC connectors
[11:06:00] <rmu|w> servo control has A, A', B, B', C, C', analog voltage +-10V, some grounds and probably drive/axis enable and ok
[11:06:17] <unterhaus_> you have the pinout then?
[11:07:02] <rmu|w> tracing the quadrature stuff should be easy, there are 3 AM26LS32 that smell like decoding differential encoder signals
[11:07:10] <rmu|w> no, i don't have the pinout
[11:07:31] <rmu|w> the not-so-trivial stuff is error, enable, ok etc...
[11:07:48] <unterhaus_> uh huh
[11:08:05] <rmu|w> thos signals just go into an opto isolator
[11:11:41] <unterhaus_> I have some drives where all that is reassigned in software. Too many choices
[11:13:25] <rmu|w> the brother drives are '85 vintage or so
[11:13:47] <rmu|w> completely analog, with a bunch of opamps and LOTs of hybrids
[11:16:05] <unterhaus_> the op of that thread got pinouts from a brother distributor. Didn't say if it was electronic
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[11:38:21] <gregcnc> rmu|w i mean the table mechanically was not designed for milling loads
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[11:40:10] <rmu|w> gregcnc: the datasheet specifies 6.6cm³/min material removal when end milling S45C and 14cm³/min when face milling
[11:40:40] <rmu|w> so it should do ok milling 3mm aluminium extrusions
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[11:41:15] <gregcnc> ok maybe not this particukar machine
[11:41:28] <Loetmichel> rmaw: be awrea taht extruded AL is a PITA to mill
[11:41:28] <rmu|w> this is not a lights out production 24/7 heavy milling thing ;)
[11:41:39] <Loetmichel> it clogs the mill bits in no time
[11:41:47] <Loetmichel> aware, that
[11:42:10] <rmu|w> Loetmichel: high speed, proper tools, rigid setup
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[11:42:50] <gregcnc> I know what it is, but read this comment about them on practical machinist and it was supported by others, just don't remember which ancient borhter it was
[11:43:00] <Loetmichel> doesetn help with those "chewing gum alloys" that are used fpr extrusions
[11:43:20] <rmu|w> faster spindle would be nice
[11:43:23] <Loetmichel> tons of coolant and a REALLY sharp tool with polished swarf channels helps trhough
[11:44:12] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: yet some build "milling" machines using wooden panels and beds
[11:45:53] <rmu|w> gregcnc: i read that too, but the machine was less than the mesa retrofit kit at auction, so it was basically a no brainer
[11:46:28] <rmu|w> and it seems pretty beefy for its size
[11:46:37] <gregcnc> depends if you have work waiting or can afford to put in the time
[11:47:13] <rmu|w> gregcnc: this is a hobby
[11:47:20] <gregcnc> ok
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[12:01:06] <rmu|w> maybe i should take some oscilloscope traces of the signals of the original control
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[12:16:52] <jymmmm> Almond is a pita to burn
[12:18:05] <jymmmm> Have to have the fire really hot to get started, LOTS of air needed. Clode the damper a few mm's and it smothers itself out.
[12:18:13] <jymmmm> close*
[12:18:20] <jymmmm> SMH
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[12:22:09] <unterhaus_> Moore jig borers just sat the table on some ways. I have one of the tables, it's very useful but side loads weren't its forte
[12:22:49] <unterhaus_> I welded an angle iron at 45 degrees on the stand, holds it pretty securely unless you are pushing really hard
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[12:23:37] <unterhaus_> but the thread about the Brother shows fairly stout looking linear bearings
[12:24:29] <unterhaus_> I know Haas isn't a paragon of excellence in machining, but they use linear bearings and their machines work okay
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[12:29:00] <rmu|w> unterhaus_: what other kind of bearing would you use nowadays?
[12:30:35] <rmu|w> air bearings?
[12:31:39] <jymmmm> silly putty bearings
[12:32:13] <rmu|w> magnetostatic
[12:33:22] <gregcnc> box ways
[12:33:33] <Loetmichel> magentostatic isnt good for high forces
[12:33:40] <Loetmichel> air bearings dito
[12:34:22] <rmu|w> Loetmichel: so back to good old eletrostatic forces ;)
[12:34:58] <Loetmichel> <- is a fan of hydrostatic linear bearings
[12:35:12] <Loetmichel> just have a spare hydraulic pump at hand
[12:35:30] <rmu|w> thats also kind of air bearing, with different viscosity
[12:37:09] <Loetmichel> yeah, thats the point
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[12:38:08] <Loetmichel> hydrostatic bearings can take much higher forces before it loses lubrication and /or moves out of position
[12:45:48] <Rab> Keyseat cutter in steel on a manual mill: climb, or conventional?
[12:47:28] <Rab> Just remembered there's .015 of backlash...conventional it is.
[12:53:03] <jym> Rab: Better than .15 backlash
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[12:53:16] <jym> WB Tom_L
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[13:05:21] <unterhaus_> hydrostatic work well. Except for the metering valves on ours kept gooping up
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[13:24:41] <Loetmichel> *meh* pinky is still puckering. Dropping that steel block this morning on it was worse than expected. that nail will be black by tomorrow i would guess :-(
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[13:41:30] <Tom_L> Loetmichel, you sure seem to like beating yourself up
[13:44:06] * JT-Shop needs to figure out how to use his 15GB mobile hot spot...
[13:44:47] <Tom_L> just turn sharing on in the settings
[13:45:35] <Tom_L> you out of bandwidth already?
[13:46:06] <Loetmichel> Tom_L: just a bit clumsy sometimes
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[14:07:17] <jdh> what is a " 1 1/2 degree positive helix angle" on a boring bar?
[14:20:07] <gregcnc> JDH sounds like a helical relief
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[14:24:09] <gregcnc> only common in small solid carbide boring bars
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[14:34:38] <jym> JT-Shop: Goto settings, network and internet, tethering
[14:35:16] <jym> JT-Shop: ...then mobile hotspot,
[14:36:12] <jym> JT-Shop: Enable, select a SSID (name) you want to use, set a pasword
[14:36:55] <jym> JT-Shop: If this is android that is.
[14:37:36] <jym> JT-Shop: then it's just another wifi AP at this point.
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[14:39:45] <jym> I really want this knife for some reason.... https://www.amazon.com
[14:52:32] <CaptHindsight> gas was only $1.49/gal yesterday
[14:53:14] <unterhaus_> maybe that's why all the idiots are out driving around
[14:54:00] <unterhaus_> they are going to turn Central Pennsylvania into a hotspot despite all the advantages we have
[14:54:39] <CaptHindsight> pretty quiet around here during rush hour
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[15:49:54] <skunkworks> jym: if the cell provider allows tethering..
[15:50:39] <CaptHindsight> VPN
[15:51:32] <XXCoder> welps. offically over half million people now
[15:52:34] <CaptHindsight> more if you test
[15:53:31] <XXCoder> im talking about offical records only
[15:53:49] <XXCoder> though finally usa have some healed cases, at 621 now
[15:54:06] <CaptHindsight> yes I understood your boundary
[15:54:23] <SpeedEvil> In a rational world, 100% of those cured on minimum wage before would now be being offered lucrative employment
[15:55:09] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: cured doesnt mean "no more infectious" though ;)
[15:55:10] <XXCoder> whats sad is that theres corona denial people
[15:55:26] <XXCoder> one priest bragged that over 1000 people attened his church
[15:55:37] <SpeedEvil> I am assuming the cured is 'two negative PCR tests'
[15:55:45] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: did you expect differenty in the homeland of flatearthers?
[15:55:55] <SpeedEvil> rather than 'he diddn't die'
[15:56:19] <CaptHindsight> well antibody tests cost money
[15:56:33] <XXCoder> loet not really but its not just dumb people. it includes some smart people
[15:57:00] <CaptHindsight> cured vs recovered
[15:58:28] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: good point
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[16:35:47] <gregcnc> WA was high initially but seem to have slow growth. when did they lock down?
[16:36:13] <XXCoder> this week
[16:36:21] <XXCoder> its ny and NJ
[16:36:35] <XXCoder> they have far higher density so cases grew much faster than wa.
[16:36:44] <XXCoder> wa was first because its major trade center
[16:36:51] <XXCoder> seattle expecially
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[16:43:28] <pcw_home> USA has most reported cases of any country now
[16:46:08] <XXCoder> site i use it doesnt show that yet, but soon
[16:46:18] <XXCoder> 500 below italy
[16:46:25] <gregcnc> trivial
[16:47:20] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: thats what happens if the boss says "i will end that pandemic per order de mufti"
[16:48:09] <Loetmichel> instead of trying to get it under control by not sending the people into work while close to death
[16:48:39] <pcw_home> Lack of leadership, inability/refusal to learn from China/S Korea
[16:48:55] <XXCoder> but dont worry, usa will reopen in april 15th!
[16:49:09] <gregcnc> people here are free man, just do it, civil liberties,
[16:49:50] <Tom_L> what country has more tests available?
[16:50:19] <Tom_L> that would affect the count
[16:51:52] <pcw_home> Not sure but S Korea had massive fast testing relative to their population and got it under control in < 1 month
[16:52:24] <Tom_L> i was rather impressed by that
[16:53:07] <pcw_home> I don't think the virus is as responsive to PR as our leaders seem to think
[16:53:16] <gregcnc> phone based tracking, police checking up on quarantine, and probably people willing to actually do so
[16:54:09] <Tom_L> somebody must be staying home... the interweb is lagging
[16:54:28] <pcw_home> Koreas log(total cases) should be a lesson to all
[16:54:56] <gregcnc> early failed test kits hosed it here
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[16:57:54] <CaptHindsight> we're # 1
[16:58:18] <CaptHindsight> based on high score
[16:59:39] <pcw_home> tests were available, the failure was lack of leadership
[17:00:54] <pcw_home> I guess the "deconstruction of the administrative state" was not such a good idea in the face of a pandemic
[17:11:20] <gregcnc> anyone have a reference for knurling?
[17:12:28] <CaptHindsight> those metal bumps or the sport?
[17:12:53] <Tom_L> double or single roll?
[17:13:37] <gregcnc> all knurling, sing double triple, cut, form, etc.
[17:14:03] <Tom_L> i've done both and roll threads in the past but it's been quite a while
[17:14:10] <CaptHindsight> https://smithy.com
[17:14:42] <Tom_L> https://www.engineersedge.com
[17:14:53] <gregcnc> i mean like the end all guide. there is stuff all over the net
[17:15:45] <CaptHindsight> The Knurlers Bible
[17:15:51] <CaptHindsight> huh
[17:16:15] <gregcnc> https://accu-trak.com this is pretty good
[17:16:24] <gregcnc> i doubt there is much better
[17:16:29] <gregcnc> but maybe
[17:16:58] <Tom_L> https://www.doriantool.com
[17:17:06] <Tom_L> mostly just tools
[17:18:13] <Tom_L> i think double rollers make a nicer knurl
[17:18:34] <CaptHindsight> https://www.asme.org $33
[17:22:35] <CaptHindsight> outside of machinerys handbook and some DOD guides i don't see anything specific
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[17:23:11] <Tom_L> i place it into one of those 'experience knows' categories
[17:24:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nzdl.org
[17:24:14] <Tom_L> push too quick and it will track wrong, push too hard and it will flake off
[17:27:08] <gregcnc> yeah, though that Dorian catalog looks pretty good
[17:27:45] <Loetmichel> i like hashed knurls. those need two rollers anyway, or am i mistaken?
[17:27:59] <Tom_L> Loetmichel, diamond?
[17:28:00] <Loetmichel> hashed= the "diamond" pattern
[17:28:13] <Tom_L> you can do it with one but it's prettier with two
[17:28:49] <Tom_L> 2 opposite diagonal knurls
[17:29:10] <Tom_L> gives a different looking knurl
[17:29:23] <Tom_L> single pushes the bumps in, 2 raises the bumps
[17:29:27] <Loetmichel> yes, that was what i meant: two to diagonal knurl wheels in oposite directions
[17:29:51] <Tom_L> just depends the look you're after
[17:31:37] <Tom_L> not a knurl, but i did these with a tap: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[17:32:05] <Loetmichel> 3dprinter drives?
[17:32:15] <Tom_L> yeah but i never used them
[17:32:22] <Tom_L> more a 'see if i can' thing
[17:32:47] <Tom_L> 2 or 3mm tap iirc
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[17:33:33] <CaptHindsight> now to cut a matching curved threaded rod
[17:33:59] <Tom_L> actually a straight rod should rest ok on that
[17:34:21] <Tom_L> not much surface contact
[17:34:25] <CaptHindsight> like a rack and pinion
[17:34:29] <Tom_L> yeah
[17:35:19] <Tom_L> a trick i used was to make the part OD a multiple of the pitch
[17:37:07] <Tom_L> which could also play into knurl selection
[17:54:45] <CaptHindsight> BC just banned the resale of food and medical supplies (for non official resellers)
[17:59:36] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:00:53] <_unreal_> SWEET just finished installing/tuning my new upgrade for my bandsaw
[18:01:07] <_unreal_> just got a ball bearing blade guide adapter
[18:01:33] <_unreal_> ordered it off ebay
[18:01:52] <_unreal_> the MFG'er of my bandsaw does not sell the adapter any more discontinued.
[18:06:18] <Loetmichel> ball bearing blade guide? you have to buy that?
[18:06:36] <Loetmichel> thats just a few pieces of round and square steel welded together
[18:06:44] <Loetmichel> i would have made that myself
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[18:31:40] <gregcnc> I was under the impression all Tesla had heat pumps? I guess I was wrong. https://www.popularmechanics.com
[18:33:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[18:33:59] <gregcnc> wow medical supply email spam already
[18:35:54] <gregcnc> i really assumed they used the AC in both directions a long time ago
[18:40:06] <CaptHindsight> hah MASA hats "Sick Again"
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[18:58:49] <Valen> gregcnc: I would have put money on a reverse cycle AC system in teslas, anything else will just chew battery and well you need to have AC anyway
[18:59:19] <Valen> Like perhaps a resistive backup in case it was negative a zillion degrees but still
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[19:02:14] <CaptHindsight> Valen: how are things there?
[19:02:38] <Valen> Not too bad, I've never been busier setting everybody up for work from home though
[19:02:38] <CaptHindsight> quite a year
[19:03:03] <Valen> been rolling around on the floor in Dr's offices which while never my fave thing is now like super extra bad
[19:03:23] <Valen> https://imgur.com and this was xmas
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[19:06:44] <CaptHindsight> Valen: pics are gone :( https://www.cnczone.com
[19:07:26] <Valen> yeah web host died I didn't have the file system backed up and never got around to recovering them from the wayback machine
[19:07:44] <CaptHindsight> i didn't check the wayback
[19:10:33] <CaptHindsight> hard to believe it's been 10 years
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[19:19:48] <_unreal_> 10 years?
[19:20:00] <_unreal_> just got the charcoal grill going
[19:20:04] <Valen> have to be that (or more) since I did it lol
[19:20:14] <Tom_L> sure doesn't seem like it
[19:20:33] <Tom_L> still in use?
[19:25:14] <Valen> it's at my dads place, he's not using it much but he's said I can have it now
[19:25:16] <jthornton> pretty nice weather today, rode the mountain bike twice
[19:25:34] <Valen> He's been using the new one we made up for the mens shed a whole bunch though
[19:27:26] <CaptHindsight> rain until saturday here
[19:28:00] <_unreal_> hehe i have post's from the early 2000's on cnczone
[19:28:01] <jthornton> tomorrow 20% chance of T-storms then 80% on Saturday
[19:28:10] <jthornton> I am tired of the rain
[19:28:37] <CaptHindsight> looks like sun all next week here
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[19:29:34] <jthornton> nice
[19:29:50] <_unreal_> south florida we have had nothing but sun last 2 weeks
[19:29:53] <_unreal_> like ZERO rain
[19:30:03] <_unreal_> I had to run the sprinklers
[19:30:04] <jthornton> send me some sun
[19:30:18] <_unreal_> Thats what I dont miss about Maine
[19:30:31] <_unreal_> could have 5 days to two months of rain strait easy
[19:30:34] <_unreal_> DONT miss it
[19:30:56] <_unreal_> florida gets endless rain now and then but never lasts more then two weeks
[19:31:25] <_unreal_> I did have to deal with 80's outside though today
[19:31:45] <_unreal_> damn damn Damn >:) endless summer
[19:32:41] <_unreal_> I can hear a plain doing stunts over the everglades
[19:32:48] <_unreal_> if I go outside I could prob hear him to
[19:32:52] <_unreal_> doing endless loops
[19:32:57] <_unreal_> and other stunds
[19:32:59] <_unreal_> sunts
[19:33:02] <_unreal_> stunts
[19:37:03] <Tom_L> jthornton, we're probably gettin those storms tonight
[19:37:28] <JavaBean> jthornton, send me some rain... i can send you some winds and lots of daystar light
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[21:09:13] <jym> skunkworks: Yeah, some do and limit per month.
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[22:40:23] <Tom_L> log
[22:40:23] <c-log> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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