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[04:20:37] <Deejay> moin
[04:22:30] <fdarling> _unreal_ does the spacing between the bearings dictate the thickness of blade you can use? Or is there some adjustment?
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[06:30:41] <p0g0> jthornton, hey, you made it to the front page of the NYTimes ("America Stress Bought All the Baby Chickens").
[06:38:33] <XXCoder> lol
[06:49:00] <jthornton> lol
[06:49:25] <jthornton> Cackle Hatchery still has baby chicks for sale
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[06:56:07] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:56:19] <XXCoder> hey pink
[06:56:23] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[06:56:38] <XXCoder> check out https://youtu.be
[06:56:42] <XXCoder> jt you too
[06:57:22] <pink_vampire> not cutting?
[06:57:36] <XXCoder> nah its just to show spotlight effect
[06:57:37] <pink_vampire> laser power dropped?
[06:57:44] <XXCoder> you can see how tight its focused
[06:57:54] <XXCoder> but theres still bright spot around it, losing power :(
[06:58:53] <pink_vampire> maybe you need to re-focus it ?
[06:59:02] <XXCoder> its tight focus
[06:59:11] <XXCoder> you can see the spot as it crosses center black spot
[07:00:52] <pink_vampire> maybe something happen to the laser diode?
[07:00:59] <XXCoder> possibly
[07:01:03] <pink_vampire> is that a laser array?
[07:01:10] <XXCoder> laser diode
[07:01:52] <XXCoder> ok not sure what "laser array" is lol
[07:02:42] <pink_vampire> in laser diode array there is several small diodes that make the beam
[07:03:03] <XXCoder> ahh I see
[07:03:10] <XXCoder> it seemed like single diode but could be wrong
[07:04:08] <pink_vampire> and if some of them die, or the optics move, (like small mirrors)
[07:05:29] <XXCoder> its possible
[07:05:38] <XXCoder> i sent video to store see what they say about it
[07:05:45] <pink_vampire> can you take the diode apart?
[07:06:03] <XXCoder> maybe though waiting for 5.5w one to arrive first :)
[07:07:29] <pink_vampire> maybe..
[07:07:31] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
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[07:08:36] <pink_vampire> the way he bump the probe in 12:00 make me jump in the seat.
[07:08:45] <pink_vampire> I mean the rapid moves
[07:09:26] <XXCoder> erm dunno im not expert with probes but that seems fast lol
[07:09:30] <XXCoder> its so expensive
[07:10:01] <pink_vampire> $5000 bump
[07:10:29] <pink_vampire> the Z bump was abit OMG
[07:12:10] <XXCoder> i just wouldnt do it that way lol
[07:16:40] <pink_vampire> I like the way he is making the chamfers in advance for the holes.
[07:17:05] <XXCoder> little more wear for tool but can be done yeah
[07:21:11] <XXCoder> jthornton: if you decide to use laserweb for controlling laser machine, its fine, just dont generate gcode on it from svgs
[07:21:23] <XXCoder> for some reason laserweb really sucks on that
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[07:45:47] <jymmmm> XXCoder: what did you use to generate the SVG's?
[07:45:58] <XXCoder> svgs? inkscape
[07:46:10] <XXCoder> some svgs is downloaded
[07:47:32] <jymmmm> XXCoder: Ok, there is a "bug" in the SVG Spec itself that it brought forward in inkscape, been there for years. Go into the XML (text) and look at absolute dimensions and see if they are what you expect them to be
[07:47:50] <XXCoder> pts vs mm
[07:47:51] <XXCoder> ?
[07:48:02] <XXCoder> i found that bug in different context yeah its annoying
[07:48:11] <jymmmm> You might see 5.0457 instead of 5.0000
[07:48:22] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[07:49:00] <jymmmm> IDK the specifics of why, just that it exists
[07:50:15] <XXCoder> sorta reminds me of that cpu bug where number is .00000123223whatever off
[07:50:30] <jthornton> floating point error?
[07:50:48] <XXCoder> yeah been long time ago. intel lol
[08:00:47] <Loetmichel> "why is the intel pention called pentium and not 586?" "because intel did 486+100 on a prototype, then decided "ah, lets call it pentium instead" ;)
[08:01:24] <Loetmichel> it was not THAT long ago
[08:05:08] <XXCoder> true, dinsours recently died out that time. recent allright
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[08:26:15] <Tom_L> http://www.opensbp.com
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[08:27:12] <XXCoder> is it different language like gcode is?
[08:27:29] <Tom_L> i think so
[08:27:30] <XXCoder> seems so. interesting
[08:28:18] <XXCoder> http://www.opensbp.com
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[10:42:01] <jthornton> Jonesboro Ar mall hit by a tornado last night and ripped open one of the stores and flipped some cars
[10:48:27] <jymmmm> jthornton: ouch, anyone hurt?
[10:49:21] <JT-Shop> dunno, just saw some photos on wifes phone
[11:02:55] <jymmmm> ah ok, I just see videos of the touch down..
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[11:36:34] <_unreal_> does this price seem right? https://www.walmart.com
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[13:16:20] <wellindex> i followed big John's instructions for RT preemt kernel for Mint it boots fine other than I have to move and click the mouse to get to the login screen I have two identical optiplex machines 1 3.4gh 1 2.8gh the 3.4 doesn't seem to have the issue it also has regular HDD the 2.8 has SSD it seems like it goes to hibernation if I hit esc before it's done booting it goes to the login anyone have any suggestions to try
[13:17:28] <wellindex> it also boots right into login in the stock kernel
[13:19:59] <wellindex> intel i3 both of them
[13:26:11] <wellindex> google has been unhelpful anyone know anyplace to look for help?
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[13:28:15] <JavaBean> might need to wait a bit, the normal "experts" might be AFK right now
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[14:25:14] <burklefoo> wellindex: might be related https://wiki.debian.org
[14:33:19] <wellindex> looking
[14:39:52] <wellindex> do you think this would affect mint 19 also the generic kernel image boots fine & why would the esc key make a differance?
[14:40:08] <unterhaus> I'm not a long time mint user, but moving the mouse to get to the login screen sounds normal to me, very annoying though
[14:43:44] <wellindex> it shouldn't be at boot up like I said the generic kernel boots fine I also have a optiplex same setup that boots to the login
[14:44:34] <burklefoo> I just mention it because is did solve a forum users boot-up issues
[14:44:44] <burklefoo> it did
[14:46:03] <wellindex> worth a try is that on the form somewhere?
[14:47:13] <burklefoo> I think the guy that's been making the Mint 19.1 ISOs just included the entropy stuff
[14:48:27] <burklefoo> I hadn't paid too much attention since my Mint/preempt-rt install doesn't seem to have that issue
[14:50:35] <wellindex> thanks I'll report back. one of mine is fine also I reinstalled this one more than once with no good results could be the i3 2.8gh and mother board combo
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[15:01:28] <ziper> why do you have to lap with the reciprocating motion? why couldn't you do it solely with the rotary motion? https://youtu.be
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[15:16:09] <wellindex> just got to say just went to look into BoottimeEntropyStarvation on that machine and it booted right I also noticed when I booted to the generic kernel then to the RT_Preemt it booted fine unlpuged over night to connect it to the cnc the problem showed again head scratcher so for now its fine i'll keep that BoottimeEntropyStarvation page in mind if it shows again thanks
[15:19:14] <wellindex> ziper i think its more about surface area and lap reloading the center would move at a low rate compared to the outside
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[17:22:28] <_unreal_> Gotten Major steps done on my cnc today
[17:22:36] <_unreal_> almost finished building the power supply
[17:22:46] <_unreal_> That is a huge leap
[17:26:55] <unterhaus> swirling is too random for lapping. Each linear stroke makes grooves. Eventually through enough angles you make peaks, and then knock down the peaks
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[17:27:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:27:32] <unterhaus> well, that was wasted :)
[17:29:11] <unterhaus> I got so good at lapping that my microscope didn't work because all the light bounced off
[17:29:27] <unterhaus> didn't have confocal lighting
[17:29:30] <XXCoder> lol
[17:30:33] <unterhaus> That was a bad day, but it was okay once I figured it out because I didn't have to go to such small grit
[17:32:26] <unterhaus> I would be amused that liberty university has covid rampant if my brother didn't live nearby
[17:32:41] <p0g0> XXCoder, it's 2 for 2- thehill.com has your plight detailed today, so between chicks and Puget aerospace industry, some folks in this channel are getting active coverage.
[17:33:00] <XXCoder> got link?
[17:34:49] <p0g0> https://thehill.com
[17:34:58] <XXCoder> looking
[17:35:24] <XXCoder> yeah. good thing company I work for isnt purely defense contractor only
[17:35:37] <XXCoder> subdivision in calfornia is i think
[17:37:03] <XXCoder> advised to avoid travel to europe and asia yeah how about avoiding any trips in usa
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[17:43:44] <p0g0> unterhaus, I agree- it is wishful thinking that only the wanton will suffer. I get crankier than ever with my End of Days neighbors, being Holier Than isn't a license to kill.
[17:44:25] <XXCoder> theres always a few ones that think if it fails to happen, they have to help it along
[17:44:43] <p0g0> More than a few of them here...
[17:45:07] <p0g0> Open sedition is becoming common.
[17:45:23] <XXCoder> in what form?
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[17:46:33] <XXCoder> i doubt its in form of just dumb sign holding
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[17:57:51] <p0g0> sry, remotes access to a Vm seems to grab odd key sequences and steal the mouse and keyboard...
[17:58:10] <XXCoder> no plm
[17:59:04] <p0g0> I have kids mouthing off about armed insurrection and such. they are clueless but dumb enough to get into trouble.
[17:59:34] <skunkworks> andypugh: did you see aluminum? https://www.youtube.com
[17:59:51] <p0g0> local boys, it is different than the usual whinging and griping.
[18:00:08] <p0g0> biaw
[18:00:12] <XXCoder> :(
[18:00:19] <XXCoder> skunkworks: ohhh alum
[18:00:28] <skunkworks> that spindle has quite a bit of torque at that rpm..\
[18:00:39] <XXCoder> amazing
[18:00:44] <skunkworks> for some definition of torque..
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[18:09:21] <unterhaus> skunkworks, what sensors are you using for the spindle position?
[18:10:31] <skunkworks> gear tooth sensors.. Let me see if I can find the part number
[18:13:27] <_unreal_> skunkworks, I'm trying to find a spindle that I could to motion control like your doing but I have not found one yet :/
[18:13:35] <_unreal_> china spindles
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[18:17:22] <Tom_L> most of the ones i've found are high rpm
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[18:24:44] <burklefoo> skunkworks: that might work well for little aluminum plugs with allen sockets (a very stout say only 1/4 extension beyond shank boring bar would do for this)
[18:26:24] <burklefoo> _unreal_: the spindle need not be motion controlled since the axis motion is "geared" to the spindle position
[18:40:31] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:46:50] <_unreal_> burklefoo, What I mean is rotation feed back
[18:47:09] <_unreal_> so I can control the spindle rotation speed
[18:47:21] <_unreal_> but I dont think that would work well with the china spindles
[18:47:38] <_unreal_> I'm prob going with a 1.5kw
[18:47:52] <_unreal_> I'd rather a 2kw+ but I dont think it would fit
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[18:58:54] <Tom_L> _unreal_, they use modbus on some of the chinese ones
[18:59:00] <Tom_L> they have comps for a couple
[18:59:15] <_unreal_> comps?
[18:59:22] <_unreal_> hum
[19:00:19] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
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[19:00:22] <Tom_L> for one
[19:01:39] <_unreal_> Tom_L, I ordered the 7i96
[19:01:48] <Tom_L> saw that
[19:02:15] <_unreal_> looking at that site but I dont see anything listing THE spindle?
[19:02:16] <Tom_L> you know JT is a distributor for mesa right?
[19:03:12] <Tom_L> what signals do you need for the spindle?
[19:03:28] <Tom_L> some of the mesa boards put out +-10v for that
[19:03:36] <Tom_L> mine has 0-10v
[19:03:40] <skunkworks> unterhaus: https://www.digikey.com
[19:04:00] <_unreal_> Tom_L, I'm just looking at skunkworks work
[19:04:02] <skunkworks> burklefoo: I read what you wrote twice - I am not undestanding..
[19:04:08] <_unreal_> thinking it would be interesting to do that
[19:04:11] <_unreal_> with the new machine
[19:04:19] <Tom_L> what's that?
[19:04:22] <_unreal_> but I'd have to have a spindle with precision control
[19:04:31] <skunkworks> _unreal_: the spindle isn't a servo in the conventional sense..
[19:04:32] <Tom_L> oh the hex?
[19:04:56] <_unreal_> skunkworks, go on..
[19:05:00] <Tom_L> i'm afraid mine would stall if i tried that low rpm
[19:05:02] <_unreal_> I assume a given RPM?
[19:05:22] <gregcnc> the axes follow the spindle just like threading
[19:05:40] <Tom_L> he's probably got them locked together likg gregcnc said
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[19:06:04] <_unreal_> right and I'd need a spindle that is capable of that. i assume there are none "chines spindles" that can do that
[19:06:26] <gregcnc> you do need a spindle with enough torque at that RPM
[19:06:26] <_unreal_> Tom_L, same here
[19:06:50] <Tom_L> gregcnc, that's what i'm holding out for
[19:06:51] <_unreal_> gregcnc, do you know if any spindles that have position feed back?
[19:06:52] <gregcnc> a 24kRPM spindle won't work
[19:07:03] <Tom_L> don't want a 'high speed' chinaco spindle
[19:07:10] <burklefoo> skunkworks: just that a very short (and therefor stiff) boring bar could make quite small and accurate hex holes
[19:07:32] <skunkworks> burklefoo: oh - yes.
[19:07:33] <Tom_L> _unreal_, you can always add it
[19:07:38] <_unreal_> gregcnc, sadly I need the 24k range
[19:07:51] <Tom_L> you won't have any bottom end torque then
[19:07:57] <_unreal_> Tom_L, I dont believe they can do that level of resolution
[19:08:20] <gregcnc> unreal none of the high speed spindle have encoders because they make very little torque at low speed
[19:08:24] <Tom_L> the VFD probably can
[19:08:24] <skunkworks> _unreal_: Linuxcnc reads the spindle encoder and calculates where the x/y axis should be to create a hex..\
[19:08:49] <_unreal_> so I would need a second spidle
[19:08:56] <_unreal_> small slave setup
[19:09:20] <gregcnc> to be honest with 24kRPM you could run a tiny endmill and be done jsut as fast?
[19:09:28] <skunkworks> probably.
[19:09:39] <Tom_L> where's the fun in that though?
[19:09:47] <_unreal_> freaking hel
[19:09:49] <skunkworks> I know - right?
[19:09:56] <_unreal_> no no...
[19:10:06] <Tom_L> i did hex with a .125 em for a couple projects
[19:10:06] <_unreal_> I just looked down and almost spit my rum/coke out
[19:10:18] <XXCoder> depends on corner tols I guess
[19:10:28] <_unreal_> sun is setting and there is a single small sun beam on my nuts
[19:10:31] * skunkworks has brandy and 7up....
[19:10:41] <_unreal_> peaking though the curtains
[19:11:18] <_unreal_> just wasnt expecting it
[19:11:36] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:11:53] <_unreal_> wtf is that?
[19:11:55] <Tom_L> did that with a .125 em and just hit the corners a bit with a triangular file
[19:12:09] <_unreal_> aside from pretty
[19:12:25] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:12:48] <_unreal_> oh torque and speed
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[19:13:46] <Tom_L> honestly the short part gets it plenty tight
[19:14:30] <_unreal_> later on I'll snape some photos of the PSU box
[19:15:59] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:16:16] <Tom_L> cut a slot in the table for the vise since it was an unconventional table
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[19:36:16] <unterhaus> I looked at anders wallin's estop circuit and he has his limit switches in the estop chain. I am wondering if I should do something similar
[19:36:51] <unterhaus> but I would need to have some way of stopping the motors. Which is complex
[19:37:03] <unterhaus> But my mill table weighs hundreds of pounds.
[19:37:19] <XXCoder> you can always inject + to all wires, causing steppers to just stop
[19:37:31] <unterhaus> brushless
[19:37:39] <XXCoder> not only stopped, but locked in place till power is removed
[19:37:52] <unterhaus> I know what the circuit should be. Contactor with some big ass resistors
[19:38:31] <unterhaus> motors stop themselves
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[19:39:07] <XXCoder> cool :)
[19:40:23] <burklefoo> Normally you just pull down the DC bus with a brake resistor
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[20:26:16] <roycroft> a
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[20:59:14] <unterhaus_> using a braking resistor doesn't cover a drive runaway condition. Probably covers most times when you have a limit switch violation though
[21:01:37] <burklefoo> Drive runaway is pretty unlikely on AC drives
[21:02:10] <burklefoo> basically means a software crash in the drive
[21:05:59] <burklefoo> the drive firmware would need to continue commutation while ignoring commands/inhibits/following errors etc
[21:06:31] <jdh> https://i.imgur.com
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[21:31:32] <sync> not even a crash burklefoo
[21:31:43] <sync> but an error where the command runs away
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[21:43:48] <burklefoo> that should be difficult if the controller is monitoring the drive
[21:44:52] <gregcnc> all depends on how it's built
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[22:18:59] <_unreal_> I'm calling it
[22:19:11] <_unreal_> its 10:18pm and my 30watt soldering iron is DOA
[22:19:16] <_unreal_> non fixable
[22:19:25] <_unreal_> the heating element is fucked
[22:19:29] <_unreal_> :(
[22:19:43] <_unreal_> I've had that soldering iron for ? 30 years
[22:22:02] * JavaBean considers play 'taps', doesn't have a bugle
[22:22:43] <_unreal_> JavaBean, its even worse then that....
[22:22:48] <_unreal_> it was a radioshack soldering iron
[22:23:04] <_unreal_> :(
[22:23:31] <JavaBean> i have a radioshack soldering station... don't ask me where it is, i just moved
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[23:04:49] * roycroft has a hakko soldering station that's about that old, but it still works fine (knock on lead)
[23:05:45] <JavaBean> i got mine during the "firesale" as the company died
[23:07:33] <_unreal_> bunch of things I wish i had purchased
[23:07:40] <_unreal_> before they died
[23:07:49] <_unreal_> and I think I spent like 2k with them
[23:12:02] <JavaBean> yeah, i tested my "credit limit" during their firesale
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