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[00:59:59] <flyback> https://somafm.com
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[02:59:26] <miss0r> morning
[02:59:38] <XXCoder> yo
[03:01:14] * Loetmichel designed a cigarette box yesterday and 3d-printed it.. took it from the printer this morning and tried to assemble it: "ok, lets call it 'iterative design'. I forgot to give the hinges enough clearanvce to the case, the stability is sub par, the lock doesent work. :-(
[03:09:42] <CaptHindsight> you can insert metal hinges into a top down resin printer print
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[03:10:10] <CaptHindsight> while it is printing
[03:11:28] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: the hinges itself work fine... i just inset them into the body of the box... and forget to give the opposite part the clearance for the hinge pins to move
[03:12:37] <CaptHindsight> now you know
[03:13:07] <Loetmichel> indeed
[03:14:19] <CaptHindsight> going to 3d print some battery adapters for cordless tools
[03:14:33] <CaptHindsight> have to decide on the batteries to use
[03:14:45] <XXCoder> adopting new batteries to older tools or other way?
[03:15:26] <veegee> I checked out the Acer 1440G lathe that someone was selling for $6,000 CAD
[03:15:32] <CaptHindsight> new batts to 10 yo tools
[03:15:32] <veegee> no wear that I could see
[03:15:42] <veegee> just paint coming off but doesn't matter
[03:15:58] <XXCoder> capt nice! because sometimes older tool is better due to having stronger gears or whatever
[03:15:59] <CaptHindsight> wait wajats the CAN to USD rate again
[03:16:22] <veegee> that would be $4,500 USD
[03:16:28] <veegee> cash, no tax
[03:16:36] <veegee> apparently acer is a decent brand
[03:17:00] <CaptHindsight> 14 x 40
[03:17:09] <veegee> no play at all through the entire range that I could tell
[03:17:25] <CaptHindsight> it's uses the same Chinese casting that many use
[03:18:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.mscdirect.com
[03:18:24] <Loetmichel> veegee: acer is a brand that makes decent things... but the product support is abysmal
[03:18:51] <XXCoder> no crap
[03:18:58] <XXCoder> dont buy acer tablets ever
[03:19:03] <veegee> don't care for product support
[03:19:10] <veegee> XXCoder I don't think it's the same acer
[03:19:20] <XXCoder> yeah not very likely
[03:19:28] <veegee> I'm going to see a microweily lathe next
[03:20:16] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i have one ;)
[03:20:30] <XXCoder> so do I. it ended up pretty useless lol
[03:21:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[03:21:10] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[03:21:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[03:21:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[03:21:49] <veegee> The acer 1440G weighs almost 3,000 lbs
[03:21:51] <Loetmichel> thanks for ebay third party spare parts... no chance to get that display from acer, even offering to pay half the new price.
[03:22:00] <veegee> that's a pretty decent weight
[03:22:03] <Loetmichel> "send it in get it repaired for 90% of new price"
[03:22:05] <XXCoder> thats acer for you
[03:22:08] <XXCoder> however
[03:22:20] <XXCoder> i wonder if you could find another display with same connector type
[03:22:24] <veegee> 3,000 lbs for a 14x40 lathe is on the heavier side, should be rigid
[03:22:27] <XXCoder> then 3d print a case for it
[03:22:40] <veegee> CaptHindsight also I thought Acer used taiwanese castings
[03:22:42] <Loetmichel> ... "hey that thing is 3 weeks old and thats not from dropping but from one of your guys embedding debris between front glass and LCD..."
[03:22:53] <Loetmichel> "we dont care, have fun with the product"
[03:23:51] <XXCoder> jeez
[03:23:59] <XXCoder> what model is yours?
[03:24:05] <Loetmichel> cant remember
[03:24:15] <XXCoder> i'd send you mine but shipping probably not worth it heh
[03:24:24] <XXCoder> my tablet has kinda broken usb port
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[03:26:17] <CaptHindsight> vertical lathe https://detroit.craigslist.org
[03:26:31] <Loetmichel> ah
[03:26:35] <CaptHindsight> https://detroit.craigslist.org
[03:26:35] <Loetmichel> Acer Iconiy B1
[03:26:38] <Loetmichel> Iconia
[03:26:46] <Loetmichel> @ XXCoder
[03:26:54] <XXCoder> not quite same then. mine is iconia 840 fhd
[03:27:10] <Loetmichel> 10" cheap tablet back in 1016 or so iirc
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[03:27:15] <XXCoder> it has intel cpu. useless at 1.4.4 which it is at. they refused to update
[03:27:28] <XXCoder> nice. pre-colonization of america tablet
[03:27:30] <XXCoder> ;)
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[03:28:11] <Loetmichel> s/2016/2013 ;)
[03:28:30] <XXCoder> think mines from 2015 or so
[03:28:35] <XXCoder> bought in 2017
[03:30:27] <Loetmichel> if you look at the picture dates: the broken screen is from may 2013, the dismanteld (repair) pic from august 2013... IIRC it took quite a while to hunt down a new display on Ebay ;)
[03:30:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.pine64.org
[03:30:47] <XXCoder> fun
[03:31:23] <XXCoder> i hate sites that use light gray text on white.
[03:31:33] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i would like a pinebook. but way to expensive for what it has to offer
[03:32:10] <CaptHindsight> Target Price: $199
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[03:33:00] <CaptHindsight> PCIe x4 jus add Mesa card
[03:34:38] <Loetmichel> yeah, for $300 you get a decent intel/amd notebook with way better data all over the board
[03:34:50] <Loetmichel> i didnt say its expensive per se
[03:35:06] <Loetmichel> i said its (in my opinion) not worth the price
[03:35:25] <CaptHindsight> if you want all open source
[03:36:06] <CaptHindsight> wish they just used ddr3,4 SIMMS vs soldered in
[03:36:44] <CaptHindsight> SO-DIMM
[03:37:59] <veegee> I have a FIRST LC 1-1/2 VS mill and I love it
[03:38:13] <veegee> if the Acer is similar in quality, I'm totally fine with that
[03:38:35] <veegee> the First mill has taiwanese meehanite casting though
[03:38:39] <veegee> have to do some research on the acer
[03:38:50] <CaptHindsight> what other options do you have if you need it now?
[03:42:24] <veegee> I don't need it right this minute, but I've been searching for a month and this and the potential microweily are the only two decent ones I came across
[03:42:30] <veegee> lathes are much harder to find than vertical mills
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[03:44:10] <veegee> The microweily is $7,000 but apparently the guy's boss wanted to keep it and not sell it. If I can convince him to sell it, I'd rather get that one
[03:45:09] <veegee> Although I really c ouldn't find a single fault with this acer lathe. Looks barely used to be honest
[03:47:47] <veegee> Might widen my search radius actually to neighbouring provinces and make a road trip out of it
[03:49:24] <veegee> CaptHindsight how do you reckon they're chinese castings? I can't find any reference to that on the internet. All the references I f ound state that it's a taiwanese machine
[03:50:34] <CaptHindsight> maybe they copy the same casting
[03:50:52] <CaptHindsight> it's just like an Emco i had
[03:52:13] <CaptHindsight> Enco
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[03:53:55] <veegee> "ACER is an industrial equipment manufacturer based in Taiwan with two US facilities. They are a leading manufacturer of a wide variety of machining equipment such as vertical machine centers, CNC bed/knee type mills, precision manual mills, surface grinders and engine lathes. ACER ensures premium quality machines while GMB ensures premium service."
[03:54:08] <veegee> Definitely not chinese
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[04:15:34] <veegee> Theres also this hardinge lathe: https://www.kijiji.ca
[04:15:34] <veegee> UVutlR1N1IlcECDRPwt6jU6CXTP3R5I1Gk5ZTxh2AAQZ1fcfpdaguWQjEo9H_3thWGn88bqrertoM6NLr9_d-fSHpuXh-lbTo-YD2G-483qR7vChpAN4VIpUdszDNgU4SKuPSI_xlYZ9pdqgSnb8csg-05KCTVW5rTXHyJJZLnnu5Zr6-BxEAwPmWTMyxViVLxdQMpiFNArikwvbGqE8HwkilspqwcU5WTWmG_x33XGxFm0NNI4ILHft5Jf4CR_40MyNBP2V0usbBQaHW9YxTXDIaE89b9ouUzt_cERbhNOE1HI8AY6BcP6hwRVI11Ci7jQIzLn86_0zhb4_LWnrMYXJ73Pzu_-rh0KXxxwnVWNh2m6eryR4A
[04:16:06] <veegee> ignore that. Hardinge lathe: https://tinyurl.com
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[04:17:44] <XXCoder> heh thats monster of a url
[04:18:02] <XXCoder> i dont think i see a ? so it cant be trimmed
[04:18:14] <XXCoder> ah i see it
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[04:21:02] <sensille> wow, is that a realistic price?
[04:22:28] <veegee> What do you m ean? That's what he's asking for it
[04:22:30] <veegee> I can negotiate
[04:24:20] <veegee> There's also this 19x80 lathe for $6,000
[04:24:21] <veegee> https://www.kijiji.ca
[04:24:31] <veegee> Too big for me, don't need 80" bed
[04:24:58] <sensille> i'm just astonished how much these things cost. it was an honest question
[04:25:27] <veegee> New ones go for 20-40k
[04:25:38] <veegee> With DRO and all that stuff
[04:25:48] <veegee> They're precision machines
[04:25:57] <veegee> That's why f inding a good used one is difficult.
[04:26:20] <veegee> I don't mind payint $6k for one in good shape with minimal wear
[04:26:44] <sensille> i see
[04:29:50] <veegee> You can also get one for like $1,000
[04:30:00] <veegee> but it's going to be old, worn, and just generally shitty
[04:30:02] <veegee> it'll work
[04:30:06] <veegee> but it'll be old and worn
[04:30:16] <veegee> old is fine. Worn is not fine
[04:30:32] <XXCoder> depends on why
[04:30:34] <veegee> I'm looking for one that is not worn and has a DRO
[04:30:42] <veegee> so naturally have to increase budget
[04:30:52] <XXCoder> could use worn one for parts for one, if you have better machine
[04:31:08] <XXCoder> or maybe youre looking for full restore - you redoing ways so on
[04:31:33] <XXCoder> me, i rather get reasonable condition one if i want a machone.
[04:33:27] <veegee> Redoing ways is not part of what I want to do right now
[04:33:33] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:33:35] <veegee> I need a machine that works to start with
[04:33:45] <veegee> I can fix anything except for the ways
[04:34:04] <XXCoder> wasnt suggesting you to :D just listing ponental reasons one would want shot machine
[04:35:17] <veegee> I really wish I could tempt that one guy to sell me his microweily 16x50
[04:35:30] <veegee> He listed it for sale and then changed his mind
[04:35:37] <veegee> Now have to figure out a way to change his mind back
[04:35:48] <veegee> He listed it for $7,000. I would have bought it on the spot
[04:38:48] <XXCoder> drat
[04:39:23] <veegee> It weighs 4,000 lbs
[04:39:40] <veegee> Perfect. I can transport it easily and my forklift will pick it up no problem
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[06:27:40] <JT-Cave> morning
[06:29:42] <JT-Cave> 73°F high of 70°F
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[07:17:23] <Tom_L> morning
[07:17:47] <Tom_L> 60F
[07:20:55] <JT-Cave> 71°F now
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[07:25:27] <JT-Cave> gotta set some 4x4 posts today
[07:36:31] <Tom_L> another chicken run?
[07:42:03] <JT-Cave> yea for the Cinnamon Queens
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[07:42:22] <JT-Cave> they really need to get outside and play
[07:42:30] <JT-Cave> they are 6 weeks old today
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[09:44:46] <Loetmichel> soo, finally got the 4 ender3 3d-printers set up in their corner and printing... single missing thing now is the Lan controlled power strip that i ordered... -> http://www.cyrom.org
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[10:00:00] <skunkworks> they are renaming raspbian
[10:00:11] <skunkworks> Exctiting times.. ;)
[10:01:50] * JT-Shop has got his dirt out of one hole... 2 more to go
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[10:06:01] <Rab> "Raspberry Pi OS", how much did they pay someone to come up with that?
[10:07:17] <Rab> I wonder if it's branding flexibility to move away from Debian.
[10:07:42] <Loetmichel> probably
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[11:44:32] <dirty_d> https://www.youtube.com
[11:44:41] <dirty_d> if it looks stupid and it works, it's not stupid
[11:45:26] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: What, you forgot how to use serial port on the lan power strip?
[11:47:33] <Loetmichel> jymmmm: i have ordered one. Yet to be delivered
[11:47:56] <Loetmichel> the power strip i use now is dumb, sad as that is ;9
[11:51:52] <jymmmm> dirty_d: that's pretty good =)
[11:52:28] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: lol, you are just lazy to reach over and flip the switch =)
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[11:54:13] <jymmmm> Loetmichel Funny thing, most don't support SSH, just telnet.... Joos be H@x0r3d
[11:55:23] <jymmmm> Loetmichel and dont forget to program it to reset at midnight ;)
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[12:52:49] <bmbbsr> Hi who ever is here ;-)
[12:53:06] <bmbbsr> pcw_home, Sir are you working
[12:54:14] <bmbbsr> @ all someone from the Managment / Programmer here ?
[12:54:44] <bmbbsr> many People are strugeling as the 2.9 Axis Sm examples wont work anymore
[12:56:16] <bmbbsr> Just look at the Form posts today 4treads on the error
[12:56:22] <pcw_home> we are working 1/2 time
[12:56:49] <bmbbsr> 10:am havetime we got finished as 7Pm
[12:57:24] <bmbbsr> pcw_home, Sir may i ask if you coudt repair the 7i76e from the Education Center
[12:59:06] <pcw_home> it was unrepairable (looks like some voltage higher than 3.3V got applied to all internal parts)
[12:59:50] <bmbbsr> Bad news
[13:00:02] <pcw_home> the EThernet chip was bad, so I removed it ,tha removed the 3.3V short but literally all the 3.3V parts were bad
[13:00:39] <bmbbsr> so what is the next step
[13:00:42] <pcw_home> we can send you a functional but unsaleable replacement
[13:01:23] <bmbbsr> its not for sale the machine needs this
[13:01:37] <bmbbsr> or did i missunderstand unusable
[13:01:54] <pcw_home> it must have been damaged by a stray wire contact or wrong connection to one of the parallel expansion ports
[13:02:20] <pcw_home> unsaleable (ugly, patched etc etc)
[13:02:42] <bmbbsr> the wrong soldering i showed you may have bridged all this powerline
[13:03:29] <pcw_home> yeah why and where that happened I do not know, it did not leave Mesa that way
[13:03:40] <bmbbsr> pcw_home, will it be usable for a 5axis machine setup
[13:04:50] <bmbbsr> no extras only the internals
[13:04:53] <pcw_home> every think works I think it has a patch on the back of the card
[13:05:57] <bmbbsr> ok THANK you the principal has his last week in the center but i guess the next one will find somone to give it
[13:06:48] <bmbbsr> the Center got 10.5k Stundens 350 Thatchers not easy to find the right place
[13:08:08] <bmbbsr> pcw_home, if it is posible i dont know what the letter says you recived with write ((z.h Stumpf ))on the return
[13:09:38] <pcw_home> OK Ill make a note of that
[13:09:43] <bmbbsr> Than you very mutch again for the offer and the Time you invested
[13:10:26] <bmbbsr> maybe then the machine will move in Jan 2021
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[13:11:19] <bmbbsr> pcw_home, did you see the Stitching Embroid CNC we build from 50USD junk
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[13:14:32] <pcw_home> Yes, that's neat
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[13:15:21] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the lan power strip is just so that i can remotely shutdown the printers in case of fire or "why did someone print on a friday evening and let it running all weekend??"
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[13:56:06] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: Oh, in that case, can I make a suggestion....
[13:56:50] <Loetmichel> i am all ears
[13:58:13] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: Contact a fire extinuisher company and get an attic heat sensor. Wire that to a safety relay, so that it kills power, and potentially sound an alarm, Also, if you have nitrogen tanks, you cna wire it in to use the nitrogen to extinguish the fire, it's very effective at displacing the oxygen.
[13:58:47] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: I have a white papr on using nitrogen as a halon alternative
[14:00:07] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: You can enclose your printers and just flood the compartment with nitrogen if a fire breaks out
[14:00:32] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: It's what laser manufacturers are doing now
[14:00:45] <Loetmichel> that would be seriously overdoing it
[14:00:46] <jymmmm> well, not the nitrogen, just killing power
[14:01:06] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: Well, fire is fire, killng power doens't put out any fire.
[14:01:31] <Loetmichel> it doesent fire it on either
[14:01:39] <jymmmm> ?
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[14:02:38] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: I've been thru the worse woldfire in California history, I'm a little more sensative to it.
[14:03:25] <Loetmichel> i meant: its not heating up the fire even more, giving it more molten plastic to eat if i cut the power.
[14:05:49] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: It only takes 90 seconds (she went to sign for a package at the front door) to turn a $30,000 laser into this... https://i.imgur.com
[14:06:25] <jymmmm> just saying =)
[14:06:25] <Loetmichel> that looks "done"
[14:07:19] <jymmmm> She had been running parts all morning, no problems. UPS knocked on the door, she was gone 90 seconds and that's what she came back to
[14:07:30] <Loetmichel> yeah, its more for insurance reasons than any real danger
[14:07:53] <Loetmichel> because the printers run unattended often enough tru the night
[14:08:59] <Loetmichel> i AM thinking about getting a couple of those "fire extinguisher bombs" that you mount above a fire hazard and that explode and spread baking soda powder all over the surroundings
[14:09:07] <jymmmm> Yeah, just offering a simple solution. those attic heat sensors are rated like 160F, 180F, etc, so would clearly detect a fire
[14:09:29] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: oh, those are bad and have been outlwed for like 40 years.
[14:10:11] <Loetmichel> mabe in the US. IIRC they are still allowed in germany
[14:11:00] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: From NIST.gov... https://www.nist.gov
[14:11:23] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: You know NIST, same people how developed linuxcnc =)
[14:11:28] <jymmmm> who*
[14:12:42] <Loetmichel> i cant see the relevnce to the powder extinguishers at all
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[14:13:32] <jymmmm> Fuck BC powder, it's corrosive anyway (it's more that just baking soda btw)
[14:14:34] <jymmmm> I like CO2 extinguishers if you couldn't tell =)
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[14:43:40] <andypugh> Rab: Are you saying that you are using 4.14.174-rtai extensively with no problems in normal use, or that you don’t see any problems with LinuxCNC and the generally-distbuted kernels?
[14:44:12] <andypugh> Rab: Also, which script? The insmod-only one or a runtests one?
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[14:53:18] <andypugh> Jymmm: I quite like the sound of BC Powder: https://www.skiclub.co.uk
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[15:14:21] <Rab> andypugh, not extensively, but frequently invoking LinuxCNC 2.8.0-pre under 4.14.174-rtai to test a machine under construction. I used this script: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[15:15:03] <andypugh> OK, that’s rather interesting as it takes many tens of thousands of iterations for that to crash my machine,
[15:15:32] <andypugh> Whereas the runtests varaint crashes in the sorts of iteration counts that you mentioned.
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[15:17:39] <andypugh> Rab: Do you have a stock LinuxCNC, or do you compile from source?
[15:18:53] <andypugh> This one: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com needs the tests folder, you see, and I am nit sure that exists on a normal install.
[15:19:53] <Rab> andypugh, I used the packages from http://www.linuxcnc.org although I believe what I used is older than what's available now.
[15:20:25] <andypugh> Ah, yes, you might have missed a few improvements. I do think we have made it better.
[15:20:30] <Rab> andypugh, right, no linuxcnc-dev here, so I couldn't run the runtests script.
[15:20:47] <andypugh> No worries.
[15:22:33] <Rab> andypugh, I'll upgrade to the newer packages when I get a chance and try the loader script again.
[15:23:41] <Rab> I was started by the low number of passes. I thought I would have to let it run overnight.
[15:25:19] <Rab> No idea if any of this is useful, but I thought I'd try for a datapoint since I was running 4.14.174-rtai.
[15:25:20] <CaptHindsight> Rab: sorry was logged out, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com gave you what results?
[15:25:56] <andypugh> The package in /temp is from 22/4. And there was an RTAI change on 9/5 so I will make and upload a new version.
[15:25:58] <Rab> <Rab> andypugh, I just ran your test five times on a Core2Duo with 4.14.174-rtai. It locked up at passes 353, 71, 32, 1156, and 148. 1156 was odd; the script stalled, the GUI was still responsive, but most things I tried didn't work. I think it killed disk access.
[15:26:06] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: I think I found a solution to my dual-fuse scenario... https://www.amazon.com
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[15:26:33] <Rab> I downloaded these packages on 22/3.
[15:28:43] <Rab> CaptHindsight, see paste above.
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[15:30:09] <Rab> This is on a Wheezy LinuxCNC install which was upgraded to Buster.
[15:31:10] <jymmmm> Rab: MAybe unrelated, but on the C2D, did you use the onboard video or an addin video card?
[15:32:32] <Rab> jymmmm, using Intel onboard video, but X.org doesn't recognize it and uses VESA modes.
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[15:33:52] <andypugh> OK, there is a later version of RTAI in /temp now
[15:33:57] <jymmmm> Rab: do you have ANY other video card you can use/beg/borrow/steal just to test?
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[15:34:14] <andypugh> (will work with the same kernel and LinuxCNC, I think.
[15:34:50] <andypugh> Jymmm: Video is a red herring here, I think.
[15:35:03] <Rab> jymmmm, alas, I do not.
[15:36:16] <Rab> Latency figures look good though (IMO).
[15:36:42] <andypugh> I am gettting 3-digit latency
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[15:38:44] <jymmmm> Rab: Maybe this might help... https://askubuntu.com
[15:38:54] <andypugh> (unlil I open a web browser or similar, it’s up abouve 1500 then)
[15:39:23] <Rab> Heh heh, low 5-digit for max jitter here. Same as under Wheezy.
[15:39:36] <Rab> jymmmm, thanks!
[15:40:49] <Rab> andypugh, thanks for the updating the packages, downloading.
[15:41:22] <jymmmm> Rab: Jsut be sure to backup your files before editing them; cp filename filename.yyyymmddhhmm =)
[15:41:40] <Rab> jymmmm, ya mon
[15:42:12] <jymmmm> Rab: Can't tell you how many times that's saved my wallet from tequilia and asprin =)
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[15:44:03] <FinboySlick> jymmm: You're so mild. I at least expected hookers and blow.
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[15:45:15] <jymmmm> FinboySlick: that's when it get it working, the tequilia and asprin are to get you thru the frustration of it all =)
[15:45:41] <jymmmm> FinboySlick: and that's midget hookers ;)
[15:46:03] <FinboySlick> Now there's the jymmm we all know and love.
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[15:46:15] <jymmmm> hahahahaha
[15:46:22] <Rab> jymmmm, bonus points for ISO date instead of filename.new, filename.old, filename.older, filename.oldest, filename.good, filename.works.
[15:46:25] <CaptHindsight> jymmmm: midget sex workers to be PC
[15:48:00] <jymmmm> Rab: Yeah, cause oyu never know how many times you might need to be editing the file till you get it right, and you cna look back to old revisions. But sometimes I will do cp filename filename.ORIGINAL just so I can distinuish bewtween them all.
[15:48:37] <andypugh> maybe petite sex workers? Or just “workers” to remove nearly all potenitally pejorative terms. Except what if they are unemployed? “beings” is probably the safe option.
[15:49:05] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: You have to be political to be politically correct, and I prefer to have freaky midget hookers, not PC one's tyvm =)
[15:50:05] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com
[15:51:34] <jymmmm> 76M views, wow!!!
[15:52:09] <CaptHindsight> jymmmm: reminds me of an old dating personal that was similar to" Seeks heavily tattooed piercing fanatic with a penchant for covering lovers in sour cream and gravy. NO FREAKS!
[15:52:38] <jymmmm> LMAO
[15:54:11] <FinboySlick> jymmm: I was like: Wait, that's not MC Hammer.
[15:54:36] <jymmmm> FinboySlick: It's Rick James Biotch =)
[15:55:35] <jymmmm> FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com
[15:57:47] <FinboySlick> Aah, Chappelle! He did look familiar.
[15:59:25] <jymmmm> =)
[16:02:35] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: "Oh yeah, TOTALLY manufacture defect".... https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
[16:03:27] <CaptHindsight> was looking for small linear rails: http://www.ikont.eu
[16:05:06] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: WAY too big
[16:06:22] <jymmmm> damn those are small, they better have free shipping!!!!
[16:07:45] <jymmmm> wait, what are the mount holes using for bolt threads?
[16:08:58] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: Circa 2012 (bottom of that page)
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[16:13:14] <CaptHindsight> jymmmm: they mount through the sides vs top
[16:13:57] <CaptHindsight> I think the 2mm mounts via the top/bottom
[16:14:32] <andypugh> I want the opposite, a huge stroke rotary bushing
[16:14:38] <andypugh> cheap.
[16:15:16] <CaptHindsight> the 1mm carriages are more narrow than the 2mm but the 2mm are lower profile
[16:16:39] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: what dia rail?
[16:17:48] <andypugh> I think I found one that is cheap enough but _too_ big :-)
[16:17:49] <andypugh> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[16:19:14] <CaptHindsight> hunk of machined plastic will cost more new
[16:21:07] <andypugh> I want to make a CNC slotting head for my mill. One with servo-rotation of the cutting head.
[16:22:15] <andypugh> But a 90mm slide would be mich bigger than necessary
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[16:22:56] <andypugh> Though I vuess it coud be the rotor of a coaxial brushless servo, for maximum wierd points
[16:23:48] <andypugh> Hmm, make an outrunner with longer than normal magnets…..
[16:24:04] <Deejay> gn8
[16:24:19] <andypugh> Position encoder is a problem with that otherwise flawless plan.
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[16:30:32] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: did you post this on the forums or ML, this sounds familiar?
[16:30:58] <CaptHindsight> will look later, just heading out
[16:42:24] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: woohoo 100A https://www.amazon.com
[16:44:00] <jymmmm> That'll save from buying a disconnect switch too
[17:00:25] <jymmmm> HEy cool... Induction Heater.... https://www.amazon.com
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[17:03:19] <Rab_> rebootsb15[k0d
[17:03:58] <jymmmm> Rab_: I hope that's not a password =)
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[17:04:43] <Rab_> Not any more. -_-
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[17:05:27] <jymmmm> lmao
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[17:19:37] <andypugh> Jymmm: Cheaper on eBay, And they do work,
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[17:21:39] <jymmmm> andypugh: Ah, nice. Always though induction heating was cool, if I was forge welding steel rod, I'd probably get one
[17:22:25] <jymmmm> Or cattle branding
[17:22:53] <andypugh> This is my auction. I wonder what I will get? https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:23:44] <andypugh> Already higher than I expected
[17:24:16] <jymmmm> I really HATE that ebay makes the seller's description of a framed window
[17:24:23] <jymmmm> in a*
[17:25:21] <jymmmm> IT's like they are upselling everyone's else's stuff, and minimalizing the seller's item
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[17:25:42] <jymmmm> PINKY
[17:26:03] <pink_vampire> jymmmm: !!!
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[17:40:23] <skunkworks> the spindle pully is plastic on the emco..
[17:40:30] <skunkworks> suprised the heck out of me.
[17:40:39] <andypugh> Probably good enough.
[17:40:39] <skunkworks> (it isn't round)
[17:40:46] <andypugh> Probably not good enough
[17:41:24] <skunkworks> heh
[17:42:11] <Tom_L> how many parts on an auto used to be metal that aren't now?
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[17:44:49] <paul303> Hi I´m new here. Have some noob questions
[17:45:04] <Tom_L> ask away
[17:45:55] <infornography> rounds pulleys are over rated
[17:48:08] <paul303> Just installed Linux CNC 2.8 on Debian 9 together with mesa 7i76e. Working so far, but i´ve the problem that the motors are stuttering when i use the keyboard. If I´m using the onscreen buttons everythings fine. Any ideas?
[17:49:10] <Tom_L> steppers or servos?
[17:49:17] <paul303> steppers
[17:49:38] <paul303> no mechanics, just the drives with steppers to test
[17:49:38] <Tom_L> stepper timing
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[17:50:33] <Tom_L> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[17:53:24] <paul303> I´m using cheap TB6600 drives.
[17:54:20] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[17:55:59] <paul303> thank you Tom
[17:59:35] <paul303> my values are: step on: 5000, step space: 5000, direction hold: 10000, direction setup: 10000
[18:09:51] <jymmmm> infornography: triangle pulleys are the bomb
[18:20:34] <CaptHindsight> paul303: "the motors are stuttering when i use the keyboard"
[18:20:54] <CaptHindsight> paul303: " If I´m using the onscreen buttons everythings fine."
[18:22:36] <jymmmm> Sounds like USB polling
[18:22:45] <CaptHindsight> paul303: how are you using the keyboard? Typing in G-code moves?
[18:23:08] <CaptHindsight> trying to understand what he is comparing
[18:24:12] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: He's using a mesa board too, sounds weird
[18:24:44] <CaptHindsight> stepper pulse timing would be the same no matter how the G-code gets entered or if jogged with the GUI, unless he's moving to fast for his thread timing
[18:25:07] <jymmmm> But says if he uses touch, no problem.
[18:25:47] <CaptHindsight> not sure yet what he is comparing
[18:26:08] <paul303> try to explain:
[18:26:23] <jymmmm> Think this pump would squirt a cat 8ft away? https://www.aliexpress.com
[18:26:29] <paul303> if i´m using the gui the motors work fine
[18:26:41] <CaptHindsight> but if stepper pulse timing configs fixes it , great!
[18:26:51] <jymmmm> paul303: What mobo are you using?
[18:27:05] <paul303> mobo=motherboard?
[18:27:16] <jymmmm> paul303: How many USB devices do have plugged in?
[18:27:23] <jymmmm> yes, mobotherboard
[18:27:48] <paul303> usb mouse and usb keyboard, nothing else
[18:28:03] <jymmmm> and how is the touch screen connected?
[18:28:30] <paul303> no touch screen
[18:28:35] <paul303> just plain vga
[18:29:01] <jymmmm> oh, you mean using the mouse and screen controlls?
[18:29:37] <paul303> motherboard i dunno, it´s an old hp 7900 with core 2 duo E8400
[18:30:04] <jymmmm> paul303: Try using the keyboard with the mouse unplugged, Do the motors still stutter?
[18:30:23] <andypugh> paul303 Hmm. if you start LinuxCNC from the command line, does it say “using POSIX realtime” or something else?
[18:31:05] <paul303> without mouse no change
[18:31:23] <paul303> i use the realtime kernel
[18:31:41] <jymmmm> https://www.amazon.com
[18:32:01] <jymmmm> paul303: Do you happen to have a PS/2 keyboard by chance?
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[18:32:53] <paul303> yes the amazon link is right, thats my pc
[18:33:27] <paul303> only usb to ps/s2 adapter
[18:33:59] <jymmmm> paul303: Eh, try it in the purple socket instead of the USB socket
[18:34:44] <Tom_L> purple matters?
[18:35:21] <jymmmm> Tom_L: Sadly, yes. PEr the PS/2 specs, but in reality, not really =)
[18:35:40] <paul303> keyboard doesnt work, do i have to reboot?
[18:35:44] <jymmmm> Tom_L: Purple Sockets MAtter
[18:36:05] <jymmmm> paul303: no, it should just work. no biggy was jsut a test.
[18:36:19] <Tom_L> did he pass?
[18:36:28] <jymmmm> paul303: but if you don't mind rebooting, we cna try
[18:36:34] <paul303> rebooting
[18:37:00] <jymmmm> Tom_L: Those usb to ps2 adapters are half crap
[18:37:03] <paul303> keyboard doesnt work with this adapter
[18:37:14] <Tom_L> jymmmm, i'm sure
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[18:37:42] <jymmmm> paul303: IT's all good, maybe plug the kybd into a different USB socket?
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[18:38:15] <paul303> maybee i need a purple one this green adapters dont work
[18:38:26] <paul303> tested three of them
[18:38:27] <jymmmm> nah
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[18:39:06] <jymmmm> Unless they are all crap, dont worry about it, Forget the adapter, just try a different USB port
[18:39:25] <paul303> different usb trying
[18:40:03] <paul303> same here
[18:40:25] <paul303> do i need a decent pc?
[18:40:27] <jymmmm> paul303: Go into the BIOS, and see if legacy USB kayboard is enabled?
[18:40:42] <jymmmm> Those are nice PC's
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[18:44:18] <paul303> there is no legacy setting in bios
[18:45:22] <skunkworks> anyone know the power an xl belt can handle?
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[18:46:25] <Tom_L> skunkworks, https://www.sdp-si.com
[18:47:08] <paul303> anyway: i have to leave now, thank you for support. If you have any ideas to solve this pleas leave me a message at kaffeemitwurst@hanning-home.de
[18:47:24] <jymmmm> paul303: here's the manual if you care... https://images10.newegg.com
[18:47:34] <jymmmm> has DIMM stuff in it
[18:48:26] <Tom_L> skunkworks, there are different widths
[18:48:37] <skunkworks> Tom_L: I get that - but it say .08hp at 1000rpm if I am reading it right
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[18:49:39] <Tom_L> poly, kevlar etc
[18:49:50] <paul303> bye and thanx
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[18:52:45] <Tom_L> that's what fig 6 shows
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[21:47:40] <flyback> tornado heading here
[21:47:43] <flyback> been nice knowing you guys
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[21:52:14] <pink_vampire> flyback: what machine do you have?
[22:29:21] <Tom_L> on a G53 can G00 preceed it or does it have to come after it? : G00 G53 instead of G53 G00
[22:29:31] <Tom_L> it says 'program on the same line as a linear move'
[22:29:34] <XXCoder> yo
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[22:30:13] <Tom_L> working on my post a bit
[22:31:27] <W1N9Zr0> http://linuxcnc.org
[22:32:30] <Tom_L> doesn't say
[22:32:55] <W1N9Zr0> order on the line doesn't matter
[22:33:11] <Tom_L> thought so, wanted to verify
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[23:02:45] <cradek> Tom_L: it doesn't matter. your error is not from that.
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[23:09:58] <Tom_L> i wasn't getting an error, just working on my cad cam post a little
[23:10:51] <Tom_L> but thanks for verifying that
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[23:17:52] <flyback> *THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED MULTIPLE "YOU GO TO HELL!.....................YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!...........FOR YOUR AREA"
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[23:34:07] <veegee> Does the "swing over bed" of a 14x40 lathe mean that the diameter is 14"?
[23:34:23] <veegee> So the distance from the center to the bed is 7"?
[23:39:11] <Tom_L> yes
[23:39:44] <Tom_L> 14" diameter
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[23:58:23] <veegee> I checked out the Acer 14x40 lathe in person and everything was nice and smooth and tight
[23:58:38] <veegee> Original price was around $20k, he's selling it for $6,000
[23:58:42] <veegee> I'm very tempted to buy
[23:59:00] <veegee> Couldn't detect any wear, smooth throughout the range of the bed
[23:59:30] <veegee> It also has automatic oiling and a coolant pump and pretty much ready to use