#linuxcnc | Logs for 2020-06-11
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[00:00:13] <veegee> Plenty of other older lathes in the area for like $3,000 CAD but they need some work to restore whereas this one is ready to use as soon as you power it on
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[00:31:33] <elmo40> veegee: in Canukistan, eh?
[00:31:39] <veegee> yeah
[00:31:48] <elmo40> same
[00:31:53] <veegee> Any thoughts on this lathe?
[00:31:58] <veegee> It's a DSG 15x35
[00:32:17] <elmo40> you have a link?
[00:32:18] <veegee> 15x36
[00:32:20] <veegee> https://tinyurl.com
[00:32:54] <veegee> Right now the one I'm planning to buy is an Acer E-lathe 15x40V
[00:32:59] <veegee> unless something better shows up
[00:33:08] <veegee> 14x40*
[00:33:30] <elmo40> i know that guy
[00:33:35] <elmo40> been to his place a few times
[00:33:51] <elmo40> just cleans them up and paints them. any defects are still there... but with a higher price.
[00:34:09] <elmo40> i bought a MIG welder from him. big mistake. was missing the damn drive rollers!
[00:34:18] <elmo40> had to go back and get them.
[00:34:25] <veegee> Yeah that's what I figured
[00:34:49] <veegee> This is the one I saw in person yesterday: https://www.kijiji.ca
[00:34:59] <veegee> Well the 14x40 model
[00:35:59] <veegee> elmo40 go to everlast for your welders
[00:36:07] <veegee> I have their powertig 325 and it's excellent
[00:36:20] <veegee> I made measurements using my lab equipment and they're spot on with the specs
[00:36:28] <veegee> Very good machines for the price
[00:37:17] <roycroft> i have a powertig 250ex and i love it
[00:37:18] * JavaBean grumbles, even canuckdians have better options for local equiptment than me
[00:38:31] <roycroft> more importantly, i have friends who do welding for a living who have used mine and they think it works great and are surprised that it works so well for being so inexpensive
[00:39:20] <veegee> It's priced well. other companies are just overpriced
[00:39:23] <veegee> it's not a complicated machine
[00:39:32] <veegee> it's pretty much just an IGBT current source
[00:39:53] <veegee> Miller is trash
[00:40:06] <veegee> same with lincoln electric
[00:40:17] * JavaBean gasps
[00:41:33] <veegee> Well this is the Toronto area, the biggest city in Canada
[00:41:39] <veegee> so if anything is going on in Canada, it's in this area
[00:55:41] <elmo40> i wouldn't go so far and say they are trach
[00:55:43] <elmo40> *trash
[00:56:00] <elmo40> they are very high priced machines (miller, lincoln, esab...)
[00:56:18] <elmo40> i know esab has really gone down hill...
[00:56:42] <elmo40> and they all have 'economy' lines that big box stores sell. stay clear of them.
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[01:24:00] <pink_vampire> any alternative to the thunar file manager?
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[01:25:20] <pink_vampire> when I click open in linux cnc I want something that will allow me to sort the files by date
[01:26:08] <XXCoder> a second pink
[01:26:18] <XXCoder> caja
[01:26:29] <XXCoder> i like it, lean and yes can do what you want
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[01:27:44] <pink_vampire> ?
[01:29:03] <XXCoder> caja is file manager
[01:29:12] <XXCoder> you wanted better one right?
[01:29:33] <pink_vampire> all I'm getting is just scroller from left to right, I can't sort like in explorer in windows.
[01:29:45] <XXCoder> wheee 2 million covid cases in usa now :(
[01:29:49] <XXCoder> i dont use windows. ;)
[01:29:56] <XXCoder> sudo apt install caja
[01:30:26] <XXCoder> you can then change it to be default file browser
[01:31:26] <pink_vampire> I'm on debian 7
[01:31:32] <pink_vampire> without internet
[01:32:21] <pink_vampire> how do I change the default file manager?
[01:32:41] <XXCoder> looking up for debian. metalist file i think
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[01:33:26] <pink_vampire> I want to try in on the VM first
[01:33:34] <XXCoder> sudo apt-get install exo-utils
[01:33:38] <XXCoder> exo-preferred-applications
[01:33:59] <XXCoder> that allows you to change 4 programs efaults. one of em is file manager
[01:35:48] <pink_vampire> what desktop are you using?
[01:36:15] <XXCoder> xfce mint
[01:36:29] <XXCoder> its not linuxcnc its my main computer
[01:40:48] <pink_vampire> piuser@debian:~$ sudo apt-get install caja Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package caja
[01:41:11] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[01:41:18] <pink_vampire> I can't find caja
[01:41:30] <XXCoder> hmm maybe package name is different a sec
[01:41:39] <pink_vampire> this is debian 7
[01:41:51] <XXCoder> ah common
[01:41:59] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to do apt-get update
[01:42:10] <XXCoder> caja-common
[01:45:28] <pink_vampire> http://ftp.debian.org
[01:45:33] <pink_vampire> give me 404
[01:48:18] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to edit the list file with that deb http://archive.debian.org wheezy main
[01:48:32] <XXCoder> whats you adding?
[01:50:15] <pink_vampire> wheezy is not supported and the repository become archive :-(
[01:50:34] <pink_vampire> so I changed the list file to point to the archive
[01:50:49] <XXCoder> caja should be still currently developed
[01:54:57] <pink_vampire> I can't find it under wheezy
[01:57:20] <XXCoder> dunno why
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[02:02:25] <pink_vampire> ok, something very strange.
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[02:03:27] <pink_vampire> I did file > open in the browser, and I got nice menu that allow me to sort. but open in linux cnc give me something with only left and right scroller.
[02:04:17] <veegee> I use KDE
[02:04:19] <veegee> and Dolphin
[02:04:30] <pink_vampire> with linuxcnc?
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[02:11:28] <pink_vampire> here is file > open in the browser and file > open in linux cnc side by side https://i.imgur.com
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[02:14:37] <XXCoder> dolphin is pretty good. i like caja more
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[02:16:17] <pink_vampire> but why the browser have different "open" window then linux cnc?? there is only thunar on that machine.
[02:17:11] <XXCoder> you need to change default
[02:17:25] <XXCoder> ah open some programs has their own version
[02:17:45] <XXCoder> some just call os libvrary file open, some code their own file open dialog
[02:18:18] <pink_vampire> do you know what linux cnc use?
[02:20:34] <XXCoder> not too sure. python file open dialog maybe
[02:20:41] <XXCoder> which cannot be changed
[02:23:14] <pink_vampire> I can edit the /usr/bin/axis file if needed
[02:25:18] <XXCoder> i dont know enough about that unfortunately
[02:25:39] <XXCoder> you could try qtvcp though thats more modern and editable
[02:26:06] <XXCoder> JT-Cave have made guide to design your own interface and probably file open too? duynno on latter
[02:27:53] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure, but sort by date is very basic thing that need to be by default
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[02:30:06] <XXCoder> indeed
[02:31:45] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: how is that on a commercial cnc machines from you experience?
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[02:32:07] <XXCoder> most dont have sort besides name or o number sort
[02:32:22] <XXCoder> and in either case there us no way to change sort order :)
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[02:40:08] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[02:41:21] <pink_vampire> I
[02:41:24] <XXCoder> interesting
[02:41:49] <pink_vampire> someone need to tell him about laser..
[02:42:00] <XXCoder> this can cut anything laser cant
[02:42:41] <pink_vampire> ok ok, what about water jet?
[02:42:47] <XXCoder> wet
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[02:46:08] <Deejay> moin
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[03:20:16] <veegee> Hmm copper pipe here isn't that much more expensive than black pipe
[03:20:44] <veegee> like maybe +30% more expensive. Looks like I can run 1" copper pipe for a hard air line
[03:21:31] <veegee> And keeping the tank at 200 psi means lower flow required in the tube before the regulator
[03:23:54] <XXCoder> 30% yeah id go for copper
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[03:24:12] <XXCoder> maybe have water purge before starting the longer lengths
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[04:47:02] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: here?
[04:47:11] <XXCoder> nah im at my home. whats up heh
[04:47:47] <pink_vampire> do you know about a cam software for wire banding?
[04:48:00] <XXCoder> unfortunately nope
[04:48:13] <XXCoder> i want wire bender machine to play with lol
[04:48:46] <pink_vampire> what do you want to make with it?
[04:49:02] <XXCoder> dunno lol
[04:49:19] <XXCoder> thats why im not getting it :)
[04:49:36] <syyl> paperclips
[04:49:38] <syyl> in all sizes
[04:50:48] <pink_vampire> but the cam is the hard part
[04:51:52] <XXCoder> i saw pretty interesting small ones before
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[06:25:47] <JT-Cave> morning
[06:27:14] <XXCoder> yo
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[07:40:44] <Tom_itx> morning
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[08:45:53] <pink_vampire> hi Tom_itx
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[10:13:59] <perry_j1987> morning guys
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[10:29:38] <perry_j1987> any of you guys running amd e350 boards ?
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[10:44:52] <skunkworks> perry_j1987: no. what issue?
[10:45:15] <perry_j1987> i got a couple of them here i pulled out of a server rack
[10:45:36] <perry_j1987> was contemplating swapping them for the cnc controllers on my machines
[10:46:52] <skunkworks> depends on the realtime performance...
[10:54:39] <perry_j1987> 2.7.15 is out but downloads page doesnt have it?
[10:57:46] <skunkworks> ?
[10:58:15] <skunkworks> You can download the livecd and update it accordingly.
[10:58:22] <perry_j1987> the downloads page for linuxcnc.org is still 2.7.14
[11:01:50] <skunkworks> they don't make an iso for every release - because you can update to the latest
[11:02:17] <skunkworks> perry_j1987: what kind of machine? Steppers through the printer port?
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[11:08:20] <skunkworks> (that is why you see the rt_preempt stretch iso is only 2.7.0
[11:10:44] <CaptHindsight> perry_j1987: being a server board is more of an issues than them using e350's due to the BIOS and a system management controller
[11:12:20] <CaptHindsight> testing them is the only way to find out
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[11:28:21] <perry_j1987> its not a real server board
[11:28:32] <perry_j1987> its a gae350n mini itx mobo with 16 gigs of ram
[11:28:49] <perry_j1987> i just figured it'd be nice to use them for my lathe and 6040 so they were matching
[11:29:06] <perry_j1987> ok i just pulled one out and got linuxcnc on it and updated it
[11:29:17] <perry_j1987> base thread says 57276
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[11:55:50] <jymmmm> perry_j1987: I'd suggest flashing them with the latest BIOS
[11:56:11] <jymmmm> Then clearing the CMOS
[11:56:13] <perry_j1987> i checked looks like the only bios listed was back in 2012
[11:56:20] <jymmmm> ah ok
[11:56:52] <perry_j1987> got it running glxgears, 6 tabs on browser and youtube video and reports 70828 max jitter now
[11:57:41] <jymmmm> perry_j1987: I've found that if you disable things you aren't using in BIOS it runs better.
[11:57:54] <perry_j1987> i went through bios and disabled everything
[11:58:00] <jymmmm> cool
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[12:01:31] <Rab> perry_j1987, which kernel are you running?
[12:02:08] <perry_j1987> uname -r 4.9.0-12-rt-amd64
[12:02:16] <Rab> ahh
[12:02:38] <perry_j1987> lol running that command in terminal shot latency to 74382 haha
[12:03:11] <Rab> I have a DC7800, latency was very bad in preempt-rt. Much better with rtai.
[12:03:25] <perry_j1987> the wheezy one?
[12:03:52] <Rab> Both that, and the experimental rtai kernel for 2.8.0~pre.
[12:04:40] <perry_j1987> is 2.8 useable or just for playing around
[12:04:40] <Rab> Over 100000 for preempt-rt, around or below 15000 for rtai.
[12:05:20] <Rab> It's working for me, but I'm not exactly running a production shop
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[12:07:29] <perry_j1987> what issues have you experienced
[12:09:22] <Rab> perry_j1987, I hesitate to call them issues, but compilation options for hardware support are very conservative compared to the Wheezy kernel since it's a work in progress and they're trying to get it fundamentally stable. E.g. onboard video isn't directly supported, stuff like that.
[12:10:23] <Rab> If I had a 4:3 monitor, I wouldn't even notice.
[12:11:46] <Rab> 2.8 also has a lot of (beneficial) changes under the hood, so e.g. if you have a special HAL configuration then it might need to be rewritten.
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[12:13:22] <Rab> But I have encountered zero issues running LinuxCNC itself, it does its thing and controls my hardware.
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[12:19:04] <perry_j1987> what machines do you have
[12:19:45] <Rab> As a controller, just a DC7800.
[12:20:31] <Rab> I originally tried a BeagleBone Black with Machinekit and gave up on that.
[12:22:17] <Rab> The HP is an increasingly elderly piece of hardware, though, so I'd be ready to upgrade if it had any serious drawback for LinuxCNC.
[12:23:44] <Rab> Not sure what's cool these days. Probably a Mesa FPGA card so the computer itself isn't such a big deal.
[12:26:08] <perry_j1987> ya everybody is always talking mesa
[12:33:38] <perry_j1987> ok with the wheezy iso live its 12341
[12:35:36] <perry_j1987> with same stuff running
[12:35:41] <Rab> yup
[12:36:13] <Rab> I feel like installing Wheezy and pulling out the network cable like it's a Windows XP box is a valid life choice.
[12:36:24] <perry_j1987> lol
[12:36:42] <perry_j1987> so i guess i'll just swap the hdd from the old towers to these amde350 boxes
[12:36:50] <perry_j1987> so i dont have to re-setup everything
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[12:39:46] <perry_j1987> what cnc machines do you have
[12:40:42] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net
[12:41:04] <Rab> Notice that it is shamefully not running LinuxCNC.
[12:42:08] <Rab> That's at an elderly friend's house and I can't get to it on account of coronavirus, which is driving me crazy, so I'm building another one out of better stuff and the DC7800 is the controller for that.
[12:42:40] <perry_j1987> whew looks like a ton of work
[12:42:45] <perry_j1987> i just have a 6040 lol
[12:44:40] <Rab> It was a fun project! And it works pretty well. And it ended up making me money, which was a surprise.
[12:46:49] <Rab> Loetmichel seems to do continuous (light) production work with 6040s, so I think they're a good value.
[12:46:50] <perry_j1987> what do you make on it
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[12:47:18] <perry_j1987> ah yes he does have 6040s
[12:47:33] <perry_j1987> Loetmichel i was wanting to ask you about your bearings on your 6040
[12:47:39] <perry_j1987> if your around
[12:47:52] <Rab> Milled enclosures and parts for a product I manufacture, mostly polycarbonate.
[12:48:30] <perry_j1987> what is the product
[12:48:37] <Rab> And various items just for fun, mostly in plastic, sometimes aluminum.
[12:49:25] <Rab> perry_j1987, I don't talk about it on IRC. ;)
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[12:57:36] <perry_j1987> how about in pM :P
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[13:15:17] <skunkworks> probably pot related..
[13:15:18] <skunkworks> ;)
[13:15:33] <Tom_L> log
[13:15:33] <c-log> Tom_L: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[13:15:39] <Tom_L> ok power is back on
[13:15:40] <Tom_L> yay
[13:15:47] <perry_j1987> got myself an er32 chuck enroute for my little lathe
[13:15:47] <skunkworks> Yea!
[13:16:01] <skunkworks> dad will be so happy - thanks Tom_L
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[13:34:36] <CaptHindsight> perry_j1987: was logged out, did you get better results than "base thread says 57276" by making BIOS changes?
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[16:32:54] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:48:50] <jymmmm> IF anyone uses google dns servers, this is awesome:
[16:48:50] <jymmmm> To set a dns server: Edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ; uncomment line supersede domain-name-servers ( or add this line, if you don't have it ) and list your desired dns servers separated by coma, end with semicolon. It is line 20 of the /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. For example, mine looks like this: supersede domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220,8.8.8.8; With this option set , I get IP from no matter what access point I conn
[16:48:50] <jymmmm> ect to, but DNS is same everywhere.
[16:49:00] <jymmmm> https://askubuntu.com
[16:51:07] <jymmmm> It's really useful if you use an open AP that uses OpenDNS for site filtering (such as Netflix)
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[18:02:30] <CaptHindsight> how does this take to print? https://youtu.be
[18:02:37] <CaptHindsight> heh, how long
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[18:05:41] <CaptHindsight> looks like ~ 2.5hours
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[18:57:15] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: 12 seconds
[18:58:27] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: MAn, these are the hardest things to search for https://www.amazon.com
[18:59:31] <Tom_L> it was right there all along
[19:00:47] <jymmmm> Tom_L: Still need to find 10A
[19:08:15] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: It's all your fault (kinda)
[19:14:59] <CaptHindsight> huh, wut
[19:15:13] <CaptHindsight> I done understand
[19:15:18] <CaptHindsight> yes done
[19:17:16] <Tom_L> wondering about cutting speeds/feeds for a .031 2 flute em in aluminum
[19:17:35] <Tom_L> max rpm is 4k
[19:18:19] <Tom_L> chip load .0005" ? .0003" ?
[19:24:26] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: you HAD to mention lipo multi stage charging profiles
[19:27:09] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: I was almost done with my parts list
[19:35:45] * JavaBean goes to pat pat j ymmmm on the back, misses and ends up smacking the back of his head... recovers by pointing out you should maintain a stock of
[19:36:04] * JavaBean 'all the things' if you wanna avoid such issues in the future
[19:39:45] * jymmmm zip ties JavaBean's beans
[19:40:27] <jymmmm> JavaBean: I'd become a horder of them, if I could just find the damn things
[19:41:25] * JavaBean takes advantage of jymmmm's kindness, lasts a few hours with Mrs. Jymmmm instead of several minutes
[19:42:26] <JavaBean> that is what lil storage drawers and shelves and boxes are for... i mean, you do know how they store stuff like that in other warehouses, right??
[19:42:27] <JavaBean> ;p
[19:43:14] * jymmmm kindness... Elastration
[19:43:53] <jymmmm> JavaBean: SEriously, I cna't locate 16.8V 10A charger reasonably
[19:44:18] <jymmmm> can't find 10A modules either
[19:44:41] <JavaBean> 16.8 seems a bit odd, why such a number?
[19:44:55] <jymmmm> 4S lipo cells
[19:46:17] <jymmmm> The rarity is the low voltage and high charge current
[19:47:00] <jymmmm> But these cells are 60AH each
[19:49:47] <JavaBean> have you looked at using something LIKE this here -> https://www.amazon.com and setting the output to 16.8?
[19:52:06] <jymmmm> JavaBean: Yeah, that's a PS, those are easy to find, it's the multi-stage Lipo charging profile that I'm after
[19:52:54] <jymmmm> JavaBean: https://batteryuniversity.com
[19:53:35] <JavaBean> call me crazy, but have you looked into Solar MPPT charge controllers? some are programable to do various *P*S setups. maybe one could do your 4S
[19:54:09] <JavaBean> without a solar panel, many would just be a "UPS"
[19:55:38] <jymmmm> I aaaactually have
[19:56:49] * JavaBean pulls a bone out of his beard to give it a few minutes of nibbling, before putting it back to comment on jymmmm 'sanity state'
[19:58:20] <JavaBean> what kind of BMS are you using?
[19:59:38] <jymmmm> JavaBean: Either a Daly (probably) 4@ 60A or a smart BMS
[19:59:55] <jymmmm> 4S 3.7V
[20:00:30] <jymmmm> JavaBean: It's PWM, but... https://www.amazon.com
[20:00:36] <JavaBean> just a notice, some solar peeps have discovered that the daly BMS's don't always do 'low temp cutoff'
[20:02:47] <jymmmm> The Daly's dont do and temp stuff, not that I'm aware of
[20:02:51] <jymmmm> https://www.aliexpress.com
[20:03:00] <JavaBean> looks like that renology is a hard 12 OR 24 volt system
[20:03:15] <jymmmm> or https://www.lithiumbatterypcb.com
[20:03:31] <jymmmm> they say lithium, so not sure, would have to RTFM
[20:03:44] <JavaBean> check the "q and a" section
[20:05:19] <JavaBean> i recommend going with "separate port" systems, if its a "common port" then if your bms cuts power(low voltage cutoff) you really can't recharge
[20:06:10] <jymmmm> I was plannign on seperate port, and you just reminded me of why =)
[20:06:15] <jymmmm> WTF Lithium battery option ready.
[20:07:57] <JavaBean> remember, its often google translate that does the actual "writing" for the listing. many sellers can't actually read their listing, so there is often bungled "language" used
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[20:09:53] <jymmmm> JavaBean: Document page 06... https://www.renogy.com
[20:10:22] * JavaBean hopes his internets lets him see said document
[20:12:10] <jymmmm> theyre website is SLOW
[20:13:32] <JavaBean> yay, link worked for me!!!... that battery overcharging feature sounds dangerous for liion
[20:13:50] <jymmmm> Yeah, kinda scary
[20:14:42] <JavaBean> that feature, combined with a bms sounds like "things could get interesting"
[20:15:20] <jymmmm> Just let the BMS kill it off
[20:16:52] <JavaBean> point being, extra "wear" on both components from the constant battling
[20:18:07] <jymmmm> oh, maybe huh
[20:44:52] <Rab> Kind of a wicked rotary stage if a person needed through-spindle action, relatively cheap: https://www.ebay.com
[20:45:35] <Rab> One without the motor stripped, a mere $80 more: https://www.ebay.com
[20:50:41] <Rab> And this is what was mounted, looks like a tiny, right-angle motorized axis: https://www.ebay.com
[20:51:12] <Rab> Maybe if I view seller's other items I'll find the entire machine.
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[21:36:23] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:36:26] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:36:31] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[22:03:09] <jymmmm> Tom_L: you know about tooling for plastics???
[22:04:09] * t4nk_freenode starts to get worried a bit.. I mean.. has _unreal_ been 'involving himself' with high-voltage again orsth? he's been really 'quite' of late
[22:04:44] * t4nk_freenode pokes _unreal_
[22:05:12] <jymmmm> Tom_L: https://www.onsrud.com
[22:05:54] <jymmmm> Tom_L: They work awesome, ask JT-Shop
[22:06:00] <jymmmm> Tom_L: http://www.plasticrouting.com
[22:07:06] <CaptHindsight> for glorious battery charge many times, you can trust us for all volts!
[22:07:59] <Tom_L> jymmmm, yeah i'm not gonna buy a special cutter just for that
[22:08:30] <Tom_L> it was a one off part
[22:08:40] <jymmmm> Tom_L: They are not expensive and do aluminum too
[22:08:43] <jymmmm> ah ok
[22:14:40] <Tom_L> i don't use those small cutters that often
[22:16:26] <jymmmm> no worries
[22:17:26] <Tom_L> i know onsrud makes good cutters though :)
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[22:25:12] <perry_j1987> hi guys
[22:27:22] <Choscura> howdy y'all fantabulous motherfuckers
[22:31:55] <CaptHindsight> perry_j1987: did you try killing power management in the BIOS
[22:44:22] <flyback> hahaa
[22:44:31] <flyback> bios hasn't controlled power manage for 20+ yrs
[22:44:38] <flyback> i've run into a major linux problem
[22:44:43] <flyback> you can't disable dma anymore
[22:44:53] <flyback> I even bought a pci ide card with full docs so I could do it in the chip registers
[22:45:40] <flyback> when doing data recovery espically on a dying drive
[22:45:44] <flyback> PIO OWNS YOUR "CANUCK"
[22:45:47] * flyback DROPKICKS elmo40
[22:46:23] <flyback> MY 2,0mm to 2.1mm cables came today
[22:46:27] <flyback> only took 3-4 months
[22:46:43] <flyback> now I can interface the tiny pins on a sata hard drive or ssd
[22:46:46] <flyback> to access the uart
[22:46:57] <flyback> for refurbing via 24 hrs selfscan etc
[22:49:31] <flyback> man those spindles are complex
[22:49:36] <elmo40> now now. i was simply sitting here... being a fly on the wall.
[22:49:39] <flyback> I watched someone give a video on rebuilding it
[22:49:48] <flyback> and he was splitting hairs literally almost
[22:49:56] <flyback> BMCC
[22:50:11] <flyback> SELFSCAN IS A TRUE llf
[22:50:23] <flyback> rebuilds firmware tracks, smart tracks, translation tables etc
[22:50:28] <flyback> ev erything escept servo track
[22:50:36] <flyback> cause that's done by 1 million dollar factory robot
[22:50:46] <flyback> can't do it on newer drives though :/
[22:50:59] <flyback> mabye up to 1tb or less
[22:51:24] <CaptHindsight> flyback: does 2 kuntrol power managementals
[22:56:01] <jymmmm> WUUUUUUUUUUUUT Radio Shack lives????? https://www.radioshack.com
[22:56:21] <flyback> no someone just bought the name
[22:56:22] <flyback> bmcc
[22:56:31] * flyback hurls elmo40 at Dymmm
[22:57:16] <CaptHindsight> flyback: ur a looser
[22:59:05] <flyback> and you are canadian
[22:59:17] <CaptHindsight> u r
[22:59:44] <CaptHindsight> canadiana biter
[23:00:54] <CaptHindsight> flyback: in all seriousness, how long have you been on IRC?
[23:01:04] <CaptHindsight> 20 years+?
[23:01:06] <flyback> since 96 or 97
[23:01:32] <CaptHindsight> pre-freenode?
[23:01:51] <flyback> undernet dalnet, entergame, arstechnica, slashdot
[23:01:58] <flyback> freenode when it was known as linpeople
[23:02:04] <flyback> and just starting
[23:02:59] <CaptHindsight> don't recall the channels, just that you were around wayback
[23:03:10] <flyback> ws fishhead or i8086 back then
[23:03:13] <flyback> what was your nick
[23:04:27] <CaptHindsight> BigCheese
[23:04:41] <flyback> don't rememeber that one but don't remember me much either
[23:05:31] <CaptHindsight> LinuxBIOS was one channel but that was in the early 00's
[23:05:45] <flyback> I was frieds with lilo
[23:05:54] <flyback> we had a fight and he temp klined me and was then run over
[23:06:00] <flyback> im still skullfucked over that
[23:08:15] <CaptHindsight> back to work here....
[23:08:25] <CaptHindsight> see you
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[23:16:12] <flyback> https://youtu.be
[23:16:22] <flyback> my mind can't aceept that I just see tangle, tangle, break
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