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[02:55:24] <Deejay> moin
[03:44:15] <t4nk_freenode> Hi, strudel-pie
[03:58:53] <veegee> roycroft they've absorbed some moisture and I don't want to bother baking them
[03:59:05] <veegee> SpeedEvil not at all, it's for a non critical weld
[03:59:32] <veegee> it's to extend the mounting plate on my air compressor for a bigger motor
[04:00:26] <veegee> Now that I think about it, why don't people just use rubber air hose instead of a hard air line
[04:00:43] <veegee> Isn't rubber hose cheaper than iron pipe?
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[06:08:14] <JT-Cave> morning
[06:09:52] <XXCoder> yp
[06:09:55] <XXCoder> yo
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[06:45:43] <JT-Cave> I saw a couple of tiny things on the tomatoes this morning that fluoresce might have been an egg
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[06:53:39] <XXCoder> uhoh
[06:53:48] <XXCoder> maybe? dunno
[07:06:45] <JT-Cave> hmm next Saturday is the summer solstice
[07:27:49] <Tom_L> morning
[07:37:48] <JT-Cave> yo
[07:38:56] <Tom_L> get the chicken run up?
[07:40:03] <Tom_L> 94 today
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[08:59:30] <JT-Cave> lucky you
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[10:01:07] <unterhaus_> andypugh did Paolo ever get back to anyone about his configuration?
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[10:01:37] <andypugh> Yes
[10:01:46] <unterhaus_> did it help?
[10:01:53] <andypugh> But hs is insisting that I have to use his tree and the same kernel as him.
[10:02:49] <andypugh> So 3 days later and after lots of work I have an RTAI that crashes during the latency test and a system that I can’t compile LinuxCNC on.
[10:03:03] <andypugh> This doesn’t feel to be closer to the answer.
[10:03:25] <jymmmm> good morning
[10:03:33] <unterhaus_> that's not good
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[11:13:45] <skunkworks> andypugh: ugh
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[11:19:51] <Tom_L> andypugh, :(
[11:29:44] <JT-Cave> yuck
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[11:32:17] <dirty_d> I have two Y axis motors on a gantry type router, is there a way to have them jog together befroe the machine is homed?
[11:32:33] <Tom_L> dirty_d, linuxcnc 2.8
[11:32:56] <dirty_d> I think I have 2.9
[11:33:03] <Tom_L> gantry support was added then
[11:33:22] <Tom_L> i don't know how they behave, i don't have one
[11:34:06] <dirty_d> hmmm
[11:35:22] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[11:35:32] <dirty_d> I did use pnconf and the Y2 tandem output for the second Y motor
[11:36:18] <dirty_d> they do home together and work as I'd expect after homing
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[11:41:25] <dirty_d> Oh, I think I might have broke it when I changed the negative homing sequence number for both joints to positive
[11:41:32] <dirty_d> maybe putting that back will just fix it
[11:42:21] <Tom_L> yeah i can't remember how they identify the 2nd motor in the ini
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[11:56:46] <net|> https://github.com i wrote this but need testers because of lazy
[11:57:52] <net|> maybe it needs laser on and off commands
[12:03:37] <pcw_home> dirty_d you could make the jog together before homing by wiring the jog command/count in hal to both joints
[12:03:44] <pcw_home> make them
[12:04:03] <Tom_L> would that affect homing later?
[12:04:21] <Tom_L> or jogging..
[12:05:06] <pcw_home> No, because you jog axis after homing
[12:06:32] <pcw_home> AFAICR joint jogging is disabled after homing
[12:13:42] <dirty_d> I might do that
[12:14:54] <JT-Cave> pcw_home, my tomato plants are 8' tall and loaded up with tomatoes now to keep the tobacco hornworms off of them I check with a UV light each morning
[12:15:12] <pcw_home> Thats pretty high tech
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[12:15:48] <pcw_home> we have had a big problem with pocket gophers this year
[12:15:58] <JT-Cave> the plants are so thick I can hardly see the middle and I found that the worms fluoresce
[12:16:14] <JT-Cave> do they eat tubers or worms?
[12:16:58] <pcw_home> the pull whole plants into the ground and eat them
[12:17:11] <skunkworks> pcw_home: the pid is scaled to rps..
[12:17:13] <JT-Cave> wow that's bad
[12:17:32] <JavaBean> like a Graboid?>
[12:17:46] <JavaBean> but with plants?
[12:17:46] <pcw_home> we usually lose some tomatoes and collards to them (say 20%) but this year has been terrible
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[12:18:38] <jymmmm> pcw_home: moles are going balistic this year
[12:19:03] <pcw_home> We have not had much luck with traps but I think I have driven them away finally with ammonia
[12:19:31] <jymmmm> pcw_home: I had been using moth balls, I think I just need to use more than usual
[12:19:50] <JT-Cave> I'm glad I don't have those to deal with
[12:20:38] <Tom_L> take a lesson from caddy shack on the moles...
[12:20:46] <JT-Cave> lol
[12:20:54] <jymmmm> I just have a 4ft piece of rebar, find the hole/tunnel using the rebar, make the hole a bit bigger, drop the moth balls, in then cover the hole.
[12:21:12] <pcw_home> We probably have 10000 gophers on our property so we the best we can do is protect and repel
[12:21:37] <Tom_L> sandy soil or does that matter to them?
[12:21:49] <jymmmm> Tom_L: Oh I wish, could pump propane down the tunnels and light it up, it's the percussion that kills, not the flame
[12:21:57] <jymmmm> Tom_L: soft soild
[12:22:00] <jymmmm> soil*
[12:22:12] <Tom_L> jymmmm, if you do, be sure to video it
[12:22:42] <jymmmm> Tom_L: What, be getting arrested? lmao
[12:22:45] <jymmmm> me*
[12:23:03] <Tom_L> that wasn't part of the plan
[12:23:37] <jymmmm> Tom_L: Well, after the wildfire, and that it's summer, eveyone is a bit on edge.
[12:24:00] <pcw_home> We have hard clay soil so in some ways the gophers are good as they keep it from getting packed into a rock like consistency
[12:24:33] <jymmmm> they are already whining about the abandond properties with heavy weed growth
[12:25:07] <jymmmm> 4 to 5 ft tall weeds right now
[12:25:16] <pcw_home> but its a bit disheartening to see a 2 foot tomato plant disappear into the ground
[12:25:31] * JavaBean grumbles about how hard it is to do weed torching legally, let alone safely
[12:28:53] <jymmmm> No burnng after tomorrow for the season
[12:29:23] <jymmmm> pcw_home: raised beds?
[12:30:43] <pcw_home> Yeah that would help
[12:30:47] <jymmmm> pcw_home: I saw a really neat lightweight DIY concrete beds if you are intereted
[12:31:17] <jymmmm> pcw_home: then you could lay down wire mesh underneigth
[12:31:21] <JT-Cave> https://gnipsel.com
[12:31:22] <JavaBean> i don't have to worry about a "burning season", i think. but whenever the fire risk is elevated or higher, i can still legally burn. but i can't use water to put it out unless its a watering day, before 10am or after 6:30pm
[12:31:30] <JT-Cave> that's my raised beds
[12:31:49] <transhumanist> anyone able to recommend good 4th and 5th axis for taig cnc? I want to see if adding this on in a few months when more cash comes in is worth it
[12:32:48] <jymmmm> pcw_home: Look at part 4... https://www.youtube.com
[12:32:51] <pcw_home> JT-Cave: those look nice
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[12:37:38] <pcw_home> jymmmm: those look nice too, wonder if there is a commercial equivalent
[12:41:07] <jymmmm> pcw_home: If you make the form(s), then pouring only takes a hour to set. He mixed in perlite to make them light weight, and thinner in part 4 iirc
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[12:41:51] <jymmmm> pcw_home: If you make the form, you can reuse it hundreds of times. Heck you could even sell em
[12:42:37] <jymmmm> pcw_home: pull the rebar, and you cna change the layout, size, etc anytime you want.
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[12:45:50] <skunkworks> pcw_home: scaling down the P to about .016 seems to make it better.
[12:46:46] <pcw_home> because RPS/RPM
[12:47:03] <skunkworks> now with a bit of I (4 to 5) it is a little bouncy - but as you apply load at really low rpm - it seems keep a pretty steady rpm
[12:47:25] <skunkworks> pcw_home: right - you said about 1rpm for P - but I forgot I was in rps.
[12:47:54] <pcw_home> if you have a new enough LinuxCNC you have velocity available in RPM
[12:48:18] <skunkworks> from the encodder?
[12:48:47] <pcw_home> yes
[12:49:08] <skunkworks> cool. well - I have to get 2.8 to try my non-circutlar turning...
[12:49:30] <skunkworks> havn't got that far. Figured out the pumping was the belt.
[12:50:21] <skunkworks> it wasn't making sense as the pumping wasn't motor pully synced or spindle pully synced. Finally painted a line on the belt and it synced with that.
[12:50:36] <skunkworks> pcw_home: do you now if it is in 2.8?
[12:51:10] <skunkworks> pcw_home: also - tuning really doesn't matter for rps/rpm as long as you get it right - right?
[12:52:06] <skunkworks> Kow
[12:52:09] <skunkworks> ugh
[12:52:09] <skunkworks> know
[12:56:09] <skunkworks> pcw_home: cool - looks like it is in 2.8 for sure
[12:58:13] <pcw_home> No, but I like commensurate units as it makes the PID tuning more clear
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[13:37:54] <JT-Cave> pcw_home, thanks, that is the Mk2 version
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[14:28:54] <tiwake> https://derpicdn.net
[14:32:31] <renesis> no.
[14:35:00] <JavaBean> i seem to remember someone in here also saying they were over near New Jersey https://kvia.com
[14:37:25] <renesis> well done burgers for life
[14:39:38] <CaptHindsight> you'd think that these few several processing plants would have measures in place to prevent things like this
[14:40:00] <CaptHindsight> vs it being traced back to them after an outbreak
[14:40:21] <Tom_L> you really think hrly workers care?
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[14:40:56] <JavaBean> you really think companies care?? they could have held the "stock" until the testing was completed
[14:44:11] <CaptHindsight> I've seem those at Walmart
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[14:46:35] <CaptHindsight> "Higher in e-coli than the next leading brand"
[14:50:57] <jymmmm> ..."Same great flavor"
[14:58:47] <CaptHindsight> "Introducing real-biotic beef"
[14:59:05] <CaptHindsight> "isn't it time you got real"
[15:06:09] <pcw_home> Its Alive!
[15:26:09] <Tom_L> https://imgur.com
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[16:03:46] <jymmmm> Tom_L: the full video https://www.youtube.com
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[16:12:57] <Loetmichel> *stiiill not done printing after 13 hours* .. 225mm in Z to do, 165mm done. And in front the first, failed try. Woke up this morning to 60mm of printed corner pieces and a whooole bunch of spagetti :-( (and the successfullly pringet cig boxes, the only thing that worked this weekend) -> http://www.cyrom.org
[16:13:44] <jymmmm> Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com and evne legal for Loetmichel to own =)
[16:14:53] <Loetmichel> jymmmm: fun thing is: i could own the real thing legally. Just had to jump thru a few hoops... Not full auto though.
[16:15:10] <Loetmichel> but i dont get why americans think germans could not own firearms
[16:15:28] <jymmmm> Loetmichel: sure, buy a permit
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[16:16:34] <Loetmichel> you cant "buy" it.
[16:16:42] <Loetmichel> you have to apply for it.
[16:16:58] <Loetmichel> and you usually get it if your police record is clean
[16:17:15] <jymmmm> and what "fees" to you have to pay ?
[16:17:15] <Loetmichel> no full auto or "assault" weapons though
[16:17:27] <jymmmm> to apply
[16:17:30] <Loetmichel> IIRC about 50 eur or so
[16:17:34] <Loetmichel> not that much
[16:17:44] <Loetmichel> but i am not sure
[16:17:47] <jymmmm> so agian, you are buying a permit =)
[16:17:48] <Loetmichel> its not that exemsive
[16:17:52] <Loetmichel> expensive
[16:18:10] <Loetmichel> no, you are not. Fees are not "buying". Explicitly so.
[16:18:24] <jymmmm> it's still money out of your pocket
[16:19:04] <jymmmm> Getting a permit is free, just watch a video and take a 5 question test, no money
[16:19:12] <jymmmm> campfire permit
[16:20:47] <jymmmm> In the US, a special tax stamp is $200
[16:20:59] <jymmmm> in states that allow them
[16:22:43] <Loetmichel> point is that the "stamp" (in germany a "WBK= Waffenbesitzkarte" (weapon owners card)) IS free. You pay for the service of the officials writing it (or not, if you fail the police record check)
[16:23:41] <Loetmichel> really the only differences in weapon laws here and over the pond i see is that it is Federal law here and state law there (If i got that correctly) and that its close to impossible to get an open carry permit here.
[16:24:15] <Loetmichel> you'd have to ascertain beyond doubt that you are in danger of getting mugged or something.
[16:24:23] <Loetmichel> which is pretty hard here.
[16:25:52] <JavaBean> open carry is "legal" here in US, its "concealed carry" that needs a permit
[16:26:13] <Loetmichel> because there are not many places in germany where you are more than 5 minutes away from a police car showing up to your door if you call 112 (german 911). That doesent make it easy to argument with personal safety.
[16:26:27] <Loetmichel> but OWNING a weapon is quite easy here in germany.
[16:26:34] <Loetmichel> legally i might add
[16:27:15] <Loetmichel> oh i misunderstood. s/open carry/carry in a "ready to shoot" state at all
[16:27:56] <Loetmichel> if you get a permit for sports or hunting you have to carry the gun unloaded in a safe manner, seperated from the ammo/magazine
[16:28:32] <Loetmichel> you can only load it once you are at the range/hunting grounds
[16:29:40] <JavaBean> yeah, its all kinds of confuzzeling... some areas you don't need a "zip tie" through the reciever/eject port demonstatrating your gun is "cleared" other places you can't have a magazine inplace yet others you can be "locked cocked and ready to rock"... all considered "open carry"
[16:31:40] <Loetmichel> thats what i meant with "in germany its federal law, not state law"
[16:31:46] <Loetmichel> all the same throughout
[16:32:37] <JavaBean> i got what you meant... really wish it was like that in the us, but with them shitting all over the constitution as it is... they aren't going to allow you to actually use the 2nd nationwide
[16:33:31] <XXCoder> im amazed that 2nd people dont care about 1st. cops is shooting news people cameras.
[16:33:36] <XXCoder> silence.
[16:33:36] <JavaBean> and that doesn't even start with the insanity that is english/"Olde English" means behind the actual wordings
[16:34:38] <JavaBean> the second was meant to protect the others... unfortunately that isn't what most people know
[16:35:13] <XXCoder> we have proven it doesnt now.
[16:36:11] <XXCoder> note I am not anti-2nd
[16:36:28] <XXCoder> not pro either
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[16:44:06] <Loetmichel> as a german ai am not that firm with your constitution. I assume the second ammendment is for "you can carry a gun"? and the first is?
[16:44:14] <Loetmichel> free speech?
[16:44:16] <JavaBean> yes
[16:46:00] <XXCoder> sorry yeah. more specifically, 1st is proetction of speech against goverment censorship
[16:46:15] <XXCoder> people here often think its free speech anywhere but thats not the case.
[16:46:24] <JavaBean> if you are interested in it, https://constitutionus.com
[16:46:41] <XXCoder> police shooting at reporters and destroying cameras is definitely agaginst 1st.
[16:47:00] <Loetmichel> indeed
[16:47:41] <JavaBean> or page 12 of https://constitutioncenter.org
[16:48:15] <Loetmichel> on the other hand: as long as we have Joerg Sprave we dont need a second amendment... :-)))
[16:51:58] <Loetmichel> ... in the event of a revolotion i can imagine one of his armor piercing rapid fire full auto nearly silent crossbows (that can be built with basic woodworking tools) are more useful than small firearms anyways ;)
[16:52:12] <Loetmichel> s/are is
[16:52:56] <XXCoder> loet one of 2nd adement guys bought a bow to protest and pointed it at people shouting all lives matter
[16:53:05] <XXCoder> he was pretty seriously beaten
[16:53:19] <JavaBean> oh, such "crossbows" are legal... even for felons, who don't get to vote, or own a firearm
[16:53:38] <JavaBean> or sit on a jury
[16:53:57] <Loetmichel> JavaBean: in germany they are considered "toys"
[16:54:17] <XXCoder> even fancy compound ones?
[16:54:20] <Loetmichel> things that can penetrate flak vests like its air
[16:54:22] <Loetmichel> yes
[16:54:26] <SpeedEvil> The firearms regulation in the UK is predicated with 'barrel'.
[16:54:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[16:54:37] <SpeedEvil> So airguns are regulated, as are shotguns/...
[16:54:39] <XXCoder> i have 2 cross bows heh. toy ones but...
[16:54:51] <SpeedEvil> But crossbows and arrows fall into 'generic sharp object'
[16:54:59] <XXCoder> it can shoot a toothpick around 3 to 5 feet
[16:56:10] <Loetmichel> i am talking about these things: https://www.youtube.com
[16:56:18] <XXCoder> https://s3.amazonaws.com
[16:57:59] * JavaBean laughs, wonders how long it has been since he last watched the vidia loet posted
[16:58:36] <Loetmichel> JavaBean: about three years?
[16:58:54] <JavaBean> nah, watched it a few times
[17:04:49] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:08:28] <JavaBean> hah, i missed this https://www.youtube.com
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[17:14:38] <Loetmichel> JavaBean: i did, too
[17:14:39] <Loetmichel> niiice
[17:14:44] <Loetmichel> that thing is baaad
[17:55:43] * flyback is 1-2 hrs away from ditching ubuntu server on his two data recovery boxes
[17:55:57] <flyback> I really don't want to but they made compiling your own kernel a mightmare
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[18:22:08] <pcw_home> "DHL Delivey Report" Gee, you might think the virus spammers could afford a spell checker
[18:22:52] <Tom_L> they're targeting the 'dumb' ones
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[18:33:09] <XXCoder> yeah they dont want smart ones so they do that
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[18:52:09] <flyback> pcw_home, HHAHAHHA
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[19:13:24] <_unreal_> arg... this one project is taking for ever
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[22:25:05] <norias> howdy
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[22:59:47] <perry_j1987> g'evening guys
[23:17:27] <perry_j1987> i got a SER holder with a threading insert in it
[23:17:58] <perry_j1987> says 1 SIS0 ER on the side of the insert
[23:18:03] <perry_j1987> trying to make heads and tales of it
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[23:51:02] <norias> hello
[23:53:43] <norias> perry_j1987: what's wrong with it?
[23:53:55] <perry_j1987> setting up fusion 360 tool library
[23:54:17] <norias> hmm, haven't done that for turning
[23:54:25] <norias> didn't even realize it could do turning