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[02:33:43] <veek> how do you use something like this (lifting belt) https://i.imgur.com
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[02:39:42] <rmu> veek: this is not for lifting, but for securing a load
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[02:41:23] <rmu> veek: https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:41:39] <jymmmm> ratchet strap
[02:44:09] <veek> ah thanks
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[03:03:05] <CaptHindsight> if you use them properly you can lift with them, attached to a crane
[03:11:50] <rmu> veek: get a rigging sling for lifting purposes, shouldnt be expensive
[03:19:39] <CaptHindsight> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
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[03:20:41] <XXCoder> we have barrel lifter thingy for forklifts. that is ... dangerous and you cant even tip it
[03:21:02] <XXCoder> the lfter thing can tip over. perfect for emptying chips in barrels
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[03:22:50] <CaptHindsight> https://images.homedepot-static.com
[03:23:18] <CaptHindsight> they say it lifts 800 lbs but it never lifts more than 100-200 for me
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[06:07:38] <JT-Cave> morning
[06:08:01] <XXCoder> yo
[06:32:28] <JT-Cave> I built a door for the chicken run yesterday but screwed up the math somehow and it's too narrow so gotta take it apart and start over this morning
[06:33:06] <XXCoder> ouch
[06:33:11] <XXCoder> revenge of the math ;)
[06:33:20] <JT-Cave> just need to figure out how to disable screen blanking in X and a couple of minor things for the coop controls
[06:33:33] <JT-Cave> yea and I even used a calculator lol
[06:34:13] <JT-Cave> the opening is 36" wide and the desired width of the door was 3/8" under that
[06:34:17] <XXCoder> did some variable get missed?
[06:34:57] <JT-Cave> I used 2x4's full length of the height with 2x4's for cross members somehow I cut them too small
[06:35:46] <JT-Cave> but I get a bit dyslexic with numbers from time to time so I assume I reversed a couple of numbers in my head
[06:35:49] <XXCoder> did you use 2x4 as size? because most store ones are understized
[06:36:02] <XXCoder> undersized*
[06:36:32] <rmu> JT-Cave: call "xdg-screensaver reset" from cron
[06:36:38] <JT-Cave> these are pressure treated and I measured both of them the subtracted that from the length of the cross pieces
[06:37:53] <JT-Cave> rmu, I'd rather just figure out how to turn it off permanently
[06:39:33] <XXCoder> theres lock screen settings
[06:39:48] <XXCoder> you can install one of lock screens and switch it away from screensaver
[06:42:09] <rmu> JT-Cave: i was being sarcastic after reading too much mpv code. there they resort to such tactics if running under GNOME.
[06:42:31] <XXCoder> jt hmm ok heh
[06:42:50] <rmu> https://github.com
[06:43:42] <rmu> should have some pointers how to disable the screensaver nowadays (xset -dpms and the like don't seem to work any more)
[06:44:06] <XXCoder> i forgot what I used to move from xfce lock screen to xscreensaver
[06:44:19] <XXCoder> xfce lock screen locks up once a while and i got sick of it.
[06:45:26] <JT-Cave> yea I need to search by posts from last year they keep changing shit
[06:45:47] <XXCoder> t what distro you using?
[06:46:34] <JT-Cave> raspberry pi os lite so I think that is debian 9 or something like that
[06:46:58] <rmu> JT-Cave: xdg-screensaver suspend <X11 window id> should do the job
[06:47:11] <XXCoder> lock screen default lightdm
[06:47:51] <XXCoder> jt in settings manager find "Session and Startup"
[06:47:57] <XXCoder> thats how you can change login stuff
[06:48:04] <XXCoder> or just entirely disable login
[06:48:09] <JT-Cave> I'm using openbox
[06:48:15] <JT-Cave> pretty blank lol
[06:49:17] <XXCoder> slock is best for openbox apparently
[06:49:50] <JT-Cave> slock?
[06:50:05] <XXCoder> yeah lock screen if you rather use that than screensaver
[06:50:31] <JT-Cave> I don't want to lock the screen or blank it ever
[06:50:51] <XXCoder> vim ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml
[06:50:57] <XXCoder> thats openbox apparently?
[06:51:10] <XXCoder> a method to change lock or screenbsaver
[06:51:24] <XXCoder> wait might not be openbox
[06:51:31] <XXCoder> it is
[06:53:36] <JT-Cave> just installing over again to test my instructions not quite to openbox yet
[06:53:47] <XXCoder> cool
[06:54:20] <XXCoder> i want to try that out evenuallyu
[06:54:22] <JT-Cave> file://
[06:54:40] <XXCoder> okay ill hack into your computer for that
[06:54:57] <XXCoder> ;)
[06:55:06] <XXCoder> unfortunately cant access your local file
[06:55:15] <JT-Cave> sunrise here and the chickens are awake
[06:55:22] <JT-Cave> oh crap wrong page
[06:56:10] <JT-Cave> https://jethornton.github.io
[06:57:00] <XXCoder> nice
[06:57:20] <XXCoder> saved link for later
[06:58:47] <JT-Cave> I build and test local then push my changes to github and travis publishes it
[07:01:29] <XXCoder> nice. also good idea to test steps
[07:01:52] <XXCoder> i found few ones to be crap sometimes because person didnt follow own instructions step by step so theres some missing
[07:02:28] <JT-Cave> yea a bunch of crap out there, that's why I follow mine a few times to catch typo's and mistokes
[07:07:23] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be at 18 min they used 3d pen to fix a headlight heh
[07:10:12] <Tom_L> morning
[07:10:18] <XXCoder> yo
[07:10:22] <JT-Cave> morning
[07:11:03] <JT-Cave> it's already 79°F
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[07:11:40] <Tom_L> 71 here
[07:11:53] <XXCoder> will be 67f
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[07:18:57] <Tom_L> pretty sure the humidity is alot higher than the temp right now
[07:19:02] <veek> for riveting which one would you buy a 9.5" 10.5" or 10" or "double hold"
[07:19:16] <veek> total newbie to riveting
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[07:20:27] <andypugh> I don’t even understand the question, and I have been rivetting for decades
[07:20:59] <pjm> thanks folks for the words of wisdom on lead-screw compensation, i've just done my x-axis and now its compensating, its great!!
[07:21:09] <pjm> i'll calm down a bit then have a go at Y
[07:21:23] <Tom_L> how bad was it?
[07:21:45] <veek> andypugh, https://i.imgur.com
[07:22:25] <Tom_L> how big are the rivets you plan to use?
[07:22:32] <Tom_L> are they steel or aluminum?
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[07:22:54] <andypugh> Ah, right, that sort of rivets.
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[07:23:02] <_unreal_> sup
[07:23:06] <Tom_L> pop rivets
[07:23:11] <_unreal_> ok I have not gotten ONE of the chips re-programmed
[07:23:32] <_unreal_> what a pain. I had to move everything into the other room just to use the computer that worked before and its working again
[07:24:03] <_unreal_> also just discovered one of my @#%#@$#$#@! ICSP headers had a cold solder joint much to my "" delight "" trying to fix that Mf'er
[07:24:45] <andypugh> The double-handled ones are best for big rivets with good access. If you are only going to have one then I would go for the R-005
[07:25:21] <veek> andypugh, thanks :)
[07:25:47] <andypugh> But solid rivets are so much prettier.
[07:26:05] <Tom_L> stronger too
[07:26:12] <Tom_L> they're solid, not hollow
[07:27:02] <Tom_L> for most things that may not matter but if you're in a tube at 30k ft it might
[07:32:07] <veek> what about these wire brushes - just buy the cup Twisted wire thingy? any use of golden or wheel? https://i.imgur.com
[07:33:35] <pink_vampire> veek: get the pneumatic riveter
[07:43:07] <veek> pink_vampire, u'd need an air compressor
[07:43:26] <veek> I have 0 experience building anything
[07:43:47] <veek> i've just read Ettlinger and forgotten most of it.. so..
[07:44:07] <pink_vampire> so did you ended up here?
[07:44:44] <veek> use linux, interested in metal working, do programming
[07:45:19] <veek> i mean i have used a drill and done welding once or twice.. and filing.. etc
[07:45:44] <veek> etc ==> cutting mild steel
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[07:47:34] <_unreal_> DID IT DONE!!!!! i GOT MY hello world with the ve7it controllers
[07:47:42] <_unreal_> finally
[07:50:03] <_unreal_> andypugh, I couldnt agree more big handle rivet guns are the best. I do have a nice swivel head version that lets me get into tight corners but I've never been a fan of how much pressure it takes to run the rivet AND weak ones tend to break there stem if the pull auction isnt fast and smooth.
[07:50:10] <_unreal_> SOOOO damn happy
[07:50:22] <_unreal_> now my cnc machine can start to come to life
[07:57:49] <veek> _unreal_, how did you learn all that - via books? or workshop irl?
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[08:22:26] <_unreal_> ?
[08:22:32] <_unreal_> veek not sure what your revering to
[08:22:42] <_unreal_> via? books
[08:24:39] <veek> _unreal_, i'm just trying to figure out how you knew that 'weak ones tend to break there stem if the pull auction isnt fast and smooth.' it seems all very mysterious to me
[08:25:44] <_unreal_> they do that by an auction called exceeding the rate of change
[08:26:37] <_unreal_> if you pull a pop rivit to slow the stem will stretch and break at the wrong location more often then not
[08:28:16] <_unreal_> IF you pull the pop rivet at its designed force and speed. it will almost always break at its designed location which is a slight crimp just aft of the expansion ball at the end of the pin sitting inside of the back of the rivet the sleeve
[08:29:08] <_unreal_> common problem with aluminum rivits
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[08:33:57] <veek> _unreal_, what I meant was, is there a book that explains power tool accessories similar to https://i.imgur.com (nicely categorized, with the various grits available and dimensioning for drill bits (both wood and machine) explained - all in one place)
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[08:34:35] <veek> that's from Ettlinger and he has a section on rivets but it's very basic
[08:34:46] <_unreal_> plenty and I dont know any off the top of my head. I would suggest getting an engineers reference book
[08:35:01] <_unreal_> and home depot/lowes handy tools books
[08:35:33] <_unreal_> Harbor freight has some nice reference books as well
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[08:49:42] <Pro_El> i am bulding new setup and can some of you pointed me on Live - CD iso with Debian and default 2.8 LCNC , I reed on mail that andypugh prepare one minimal setup, any update on process..
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[08:51:44] <andypugh> I can upload the test iso, but be aware that it is using the BuildBot version of 2.8, so will offer to update rather often (possibly a few times a day)
[08:53:30] <Pro_El> that is not problem, it is test machine so i may share some expirience
[09:07:26] <_unreal_> so I can confirm I'm getting comuncation with the servo controller
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[09:34:12] <andypugh> Pro_El: http://www.linuxcnc.org
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[09:56:42] <jymmmm> good morning
[09:57:07] <jymmmm> andypugh: Got MD5/SHA1 ?
[09:58:11] <andypugh> No
[10:07:43] <JavaBean> meh, sha512 is the minimum you should use
[10:09:11] <SpeedEvil> md5+sha1 isjust fine
[10:09:39] <SpeedEvil> Though md5 is just fine for checksumming if your worry is corruption
[10:10:42] <JavaBean> considering how many bad iso's i have grabbed that passed md5 checksumming... and bittorent's checksumming... i don't bother with such a low checksum
[10:10:59] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that's not the issue.
[10:11:31] <SpeedEvil> The issue there is bit errors between the time the checksum was made and when it was downloaded commonly
[10:13:06] <JavaBean> not really, maybe... for me it was redownload after freeing up ram. then check the sums higher than md5/sha1. because even when the passed md5/sha1 they would still be corrupted
[10:14:52] <Pro_El> Thank you andypugh i will install this iso now..
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[11:55:36] <_unreal_> damn looks like I did screw up one of my controllers :(
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[11:56:45] <_unreal_> I dont know how but the connections for the Y motor are laying loose. I checked and cleaned everything. some how a bolt was stuck to the bottom of the wire jump and shorted out the Y controller. sigh
[11:57:08] <_unreal_> really really really dont want to remove that mofo
[11:57:11] <_unreal_> sigh
[11:57:23] <_unreal_> and I dont recall if I have an extra chip
[11:57:33] <_unreal_> I dont think I do
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[11:59:33] <rmu> current limit in motor driver doesn't hurt
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[12:20:27] <_unreal_> rmu are you talkin gto me?
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[13:56:14] <_unreal_> ve7it, hello
[13:56:19] <_unreal_> I just got serial console to work
[13:56:42] <_unreal_> ve7it, when your around I could use a hand getting the settings working.
[13:57:50] <ve7it> _unreal_, good work....
[13:57:59] <_unreal_> hello
[13:58:05] <_unreal_> one sec let me switch to the other computer
[13:58:26] <ve7it> glad the serial problem is sorted
[14:00:04] <Guest19279> oh i'm still active on this computer
[14:00:16] <Guest19279> so ve7it ya its getting serial term
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[14:01:55] <ve7it> have you powered up the drive... is the motor holding position?
[14:02:17] <_unreal_> no the moment I turn it on it just goes in one direction and I'm 99% sure I killed one of the drivers
[14:02:34] <_unreal_> I dont know how but there was a hidden bolt stuck to the bottom of the Y motor junction for wires
[14:02:44] <_unreal_> I cleaned everytrhing was totally hidden
[14:02:56] <_unreal_> so i'm sure my Y op amp is blown
[14:03:58] <ve7it> a bolt could do it! Not so much much with motor issues as the driver is a current limited drive
[14:04:31] <_unreal_> it was stuck to it and I dont know WHAT glued it? dumb founded
[14:04:36] <_unreal_> regardless I can mess with Y
[14:04:38] <_unreal_> err x
[14:04:39] <ve7it> work with another axis until you get something kind of operational
[14:04:45] <_unreal_> when I power on X just moves endlessly
[14:04:57] <_unreal_> in one direction
[14:05:27] <ve7it> usually a sign of encoder or motor connection polarity
[14:05:42] <_unreal_> would that be an AB issue? or a settings issue right off the bat? also everything is default values in the dspics
[14:05:54] <ve7it> for now swap the 2 motor wires if that is easy
[14:06:51] <_unreal_> I'm suposed to be picking mangos right now but its pouring out. picking for the neighbors they are much older
[14:07:48] <ve7it> no mangos grow here... blueberries are just about ready... balckberries in a couple of weeks
[14:10:32] <_unreal_> just switched the AB still going one direction
[14:10:58] <_unreal_> switching wires I have to add blade connectors kind of hard wired ARG...
[14:11:08] <ve7it> ok... lets see if the encoder inputs are working
[14:11:25] <_unreal_> ok.. pulling up console
[14:12:12] <_unreal_> ok console is up and running motor power is unplugged
[14:12:59] <_unreal_> ?
[14:14:54] <ve7it> use the s command
[14:15:00] <ve7it> for status
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[14:16:05] <ve7it> if pic and encoder have power, you should see a snapshot of the servo loop activity
[14:16:22] <_unreal_> msg'ed the results
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[14:18:22] <_unreal_> I have a hantek 2d42 scope just dont know how to use the scope features
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[14:51:29] <t4nk_freenode> bleh, knowing about scopes when you have a scope is overrated anyhow
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[15:13:58] <t4nk_freenode> they make great coasters youknow ;)
[15:14:24] <t4nk_freenode> goes nice with that cheese board
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[15:28:20] <t4nk_freenode> ok: that 2d42... not such a great coaster :((
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[15:33:05] <CaptHindsight> 2d42 costers, i stocked up on free AOL CD's, I'm set until 2065 at least
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[15:34:21] <t4nk_freenode> hehe
[15:35:13] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amazon.com I almost want one of these so I can say YEAPOOK
[15:35:14] <t4nk_freenode> I lost all my cd coasters at some point, I had multiple lifetimes worth of demo's
[15:36:39] <t4nk_freenode> lol
[15:36:51] <t4nk_freenode> if you buy a yeapook...
[15:37:06] <t4nk_freenode> I will buy a quifmat :)
[15:38:11] <CaptHindsight> there's another called ICQUANZX
[15:38:23] <CaptHindsight> they are just using random letters now
[15:38:52] <t4nk_freenode> ... like the asian companies now making their way onto amazon!
[15:39:23] <t4nk_freenode> ordered sth the other day, from the vendor: CHINGPANGPOKJANGQUNDONGYAMANI(etc.)
[15:39:28] <t4nk_freenode> endoresed buy amazon
[15:39:35] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amazon.com
[15:39:40] <CaptHindsight> look at the brands
[15:40:35] <t4nk_freenode> hehe HANMATEK sounds nice and bonafide
[15:40:40] <CaptHindsight> sounds like Manga characters
[15:44:57] <CaptHindsight> resurrection feature? https://www.amazon.com
[15:45:32] <t4nk_freenode> white and anglo-saxon too
[15:46:38] <t4nk_freenode> lol
[15:47:06] <t4nk_freenode> it seems to churn out .... 10ct-coffee cups..
[15:47:14] <t4nk_freenode> at least 2 per hour!
[15:48:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.3dwasp.com
[15:49:47] <CaptHindsight> getting fair prices for these
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[16:05:31] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: GET EM ALL
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[18:51:59] <perry_j1987> hows it going guys
[18:52:23] <jymmmm> hot
[18:54:05] <Tom_L> jymmmm, sittin on ice blocks?
[18:55:14] <jymmmm> Tom_L: I just turned on the AC about 30m ago. Started fine, but I can hear it be a little different than normal now
[18:57:00] <jymmmm> Tom_L: But I do have 80lbs of frozen water jugs in the freezer too :)
[19:00:40] <JavaBean> only 80lbs?>?? that's a small fridge for someone like you
[19:00:43] <JavaBean> ;p
[19:01:37] <jymmmm> JavaBean: ran out of jugs
[19:02:32] <jymmmm> JavaBean: and freezer space
[19:02:49] <JavaBean> makes sense... those x gallon jugs you can get for camping work good
[19:03:09] <JavaBean> i hope you "ran out of freezer space" because the rest was food
[19:04:55] <jymmmm> Oh no, I get/use 1 gallon bottled water, then just save and repurpose the jugs.
[19:06:19] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be kinda wtf
[19:06:27] <XXCoder> why not just have center handle?
[19:06:33] <XXCoder> same set of gearing would work
[19:07:36] <jdh> to turn from either side?
[19:07:46] <JavaBean> ah, that video/channel. been a long time since i watched that
[19:07:49] <XXCoder> i suppose but meh
[19:15:54] <jdh> why didn't he drill/etc more of the stuff on the router
[19:17:59] <jdh> his table saw/lathe thing is pretty funny
[19:20:24] <XXCoder> yeah odd. I suppose good if no room for lathe
[19:23:19] <jdh> seems to work and probably faster
[19:24:04] <XXCoder> less precise too
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[19:27:17] <jymmmm> I like the saw lathe
[19:27:55] <jymmmm> chop saw lathe???
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[19:28:34] <jymmmm> angle grinder lathe?
[19:29:12] <XXCoder> that one'd be perfect for metals lol
[19:35:48] <jymmmm> Yeah, even if you wanted to cut like a half moon in tubing
[19:38:20] <XXCoder> you cn definitely make grinder lathe though
[19:38:26] <XXCoder> make very high precision rods
[19:39:15] <XXCoder> or hex or whatever
[19:41:15] <veegee> CaptHindsight god damn I love my forklifts
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[19:41:38] <veegee> that rotating head one just became useful for dumping waste into a dumpster
[19:41:52] <jymmmm> XXCoder: not MY grinder, I have pollishing wheels on it =)
[19:42:03] <veegee> Just attach a metal cage to the forks, load with construction waste, rotate head
[19:43:25] <XXCoder> oh hes finally back to his surface https://youtu.be
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[20:08:02] <XXCoder> finally see him do some lathe work. interesting.
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[20:27:15] <XXCoder> guy at this old tony is super bored heh
[20:40:17] <XXCoder> fun video anyway https://youtu.be
[20:41:04] <veegee> Just got a 240 gallon air tank
[20:41:12] <veegee> Twice the volume of 120 but doesn't look that much bigger
[20:41:46] <SpeedEvil> cubert(3) can be misleading
[20:41:59] <veegee> Going to use it as a dry tank, placing it after the air dryer
[20:42:21] <veegee> Do I need a one way valve after the air dryer for any reason?
[20:44:15] <JavaBean> because you can't justify not getting one with a reason other than price?
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[21:04:31] <gregcnc> super backer michael is legend https://www.kickstarter.com
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[21:14:40] <jymmmm> gregcnc: SMH, things that ppl will buy
[21:15:24] <JavaBean> don't forget, people go to stores and buy bottles of dihydrogen monoxide... and then drink them
[21:45:38] <perry_j1987> been watching horror videos of tormachs moving few thou pressing on the tables
[21:49:57] <JavaBean> dude, your trying to give everyone here nightmares
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[21:55:52] <perry_j1987> lol
[22:37:36] <CaptHindsight> dihydrogen monoxide is all around me, I drink, swim, shower, urinate in, fire it at plants, and freeze it solid for fun and hijinks!
[22:38:33] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: Just add those polymer beads to get rid of it all once and for all
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[22:42:03] <CaptHindsight> Ja Ja Ding Dong!!
[22:44:25] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: on a buck converter, what happens when the source voltage is lower than the set output?
[22:49:24] <Tom_L> some will track the input voltage minus a small drop
[22:50:25] <CaptHindsight> it don't ah boost
[22:50:38] <skunkworks> wow - are we talking buck/boost transformers? So well rounded///
[22:51:13] <Tom_L> skunkworks, do you recall what jepler's iso pass was?
[22:51:22] <skunkworks> tux?
[22:51:26] <Tom_L> thanks
[22:51:34] <CaptHindsight> jymmmm: whattah yah may wants https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:58:56] <jymmmm> CaptHindsight: I was jsut asking about buck converters
[23:02:13] <Tom_L> did raspberry pi move all their file locations?
[23:02:23] <Tom_L> unable to install anything
[23:05:02] <skunkworks> well - didn't they just change the name from raspian to something else?
[23:06:05] <Tom_L> yeah i heard something to that effect
[23:06:28] <Tom_L> i was just trying to apt install something and get errors now
[23:07:22] <Tom_L> and the lcnc version on it is 2.8 which i pulled my 2.7 files into and it didn't convert all the sections of the ini
[23:07:30] <Tom_L> it completely dumped some of them
[23:08:18] <Tom_L> i had it all working once and did some testing. now having problems getting anything working
[23:09:27] <Tom_L> guess i'll pick it up another day
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[23:15:22] <Tom_L> i've got a [HOSTMOT2] section it completely removes
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[23:22:55] <CaptHindsight> conspiracy to commit software
[23:23:27] <Tom_L> certainly unexpected
[23:23:52] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: reminds me of that one I read that says that snow is full of chemicals so it doesnt melt properly. i guess they never heard of powder snow
[23:24:02] <Tom_L> didn't copy the [RS274NGC] section either
[23:36:07] <Tom_L> fortunately i think i made a backup
[23:38:39] <XXCoder> yay for backups
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