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[00:38:57] <veegee> It leaves a weird finish initially though, kind of a matte/sparkly metallic finish
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[00:39:24] <veegee> After scrubbing with a wire brush, it leaves the original metal's finish
[00:39:54] <veegee> Not sure if the sparkly bits are just tiny pieces of the crushed glass stuck to the metal
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[01:13:01] <flyback> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com
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[02:29:36] <veegee> Hmmm running a propane forklift indoors
[02:30:17] <veegee> I should probably make a hose to vent the exhaust outside
[02:31:26] <veegee> some kind of rubber air hose should be sufficient if I can cool the exhaust through a radiator or something first
[02:32:08] <veegee> then I can hang it from the ceiling and out one of the vent ports in the wall
[02:33:07] <veegee> operating radius is not that large, hose getting in the way shouldn't be an issue
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[02:35:21] <veegee> Calculator says 150 ish CFM for a 3L engine at 3600 RPM max throttle. Not going to be anywhere near that of course so I'm hoping a 1/2" air hose will do
[02:35:57] <veegee> exhaust backpressure shouldn't hurt it
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[05:41:32] <JT-Cave> morning
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[07:43:21] <Tom_L> morning
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[09:09:19] <Loetmichel> hehe, list got the Elegoo Mars 3d-printer... already printing the test file... sadly it doesent have any network connection... that will be a hassle to carry a thumbdrive around... but i am not THAT upset, an UV-resin printer for 260 eur incliding 1kg resin you cant ask for that much.
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[09:35:49] <JT-Shop> now a days a bank visit is via email lol
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[10:21:57] <Rab> Loetmichel, I've been looking at those cheap resin printers, so I'm very interested to hear your continuing experience.
[10:23:49] <Loetmichel> Rab: first experience: the rooks take forever to print ;)
[10:25:13] <Rab> Do you have the version with the stronger UV light source? https://smile.amazon.com
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[10:32:50] <gregcnc> how long has this one been around? I was looking at anycubic photon last year but it needed the rail upgrrade
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[10:38:28] <Rab> About a year, I think. There are a few similar printers, just rebrands I guess.
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[10:49:27] <Loetmichel> Rab: i have no idea
[10:49:40] <Loetmichel> it IS a new one, sadly
[10:50:10] <Loetmichel> the old version had an RJ45 on the mainboard that could be used with a modified firmware to print over network
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[12:07:54] <sliptonic> Does the linuxcnc flavor of gcode accept a dwell parameter on a G83 peck?
[12:08:18] <JT-Cave> the manual would tell you
[12:09:39] <sliptonic> It doesn't like a P word as an option but doesn't exclude it either. I'm finding that that various controls are inconsistent on this point.
[12:10:01] <jymmmm> sliptonic: http://linuxcnc.org
[12:10:23] <gregcnc> yes controls are different
[12:12:28] <jymmmm> Hmmm, I dont see the actual dweel in the example on that page, thugh it states it in the description
[12:12:39] <sliptonic> They don't seem consistent even with what dwell means. Sometimes dwelling at the last peck, sometimes on every peck
[12:15:04] <gregcnc> http://linuxcnc.org
[12:16:35] <jymmmm> gregcnc: In the link I gave, they mention dwell 0.25s, but I don't see it in the example gcode they give
[12:16:43] <sliptonic> That's the page I started with. Looks like the mention of 'dwell' was removed between 2.4 and 2.7
[12:17:21] <gregcnc> g82 supports dwell but it's doesn't look like G83 does. I've never tried.
[12:18:41] <gregcnc> all controls are different and even the same can vary slightly between machine builders or versions
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[12:19:55] <JT-Cave> quite possible as the manual in 2.4 was a copy and paste mess that took me years to sort out
[12:19:57] <jymmmm> http://linuxcnc.org
[12:20:26] <andypugh> https://github.com
[12:20:47] <andypugh> No consideration of a dwell parameter in the cycle code
[12:21:18] <JT-Cave> nice link
[12:21:44] <jymmmm> andypugh: How Rude, going straight to the source and keeping it simple and to the point ;)
[12:22:10] <sliptonic> Thanks andypugh. I've been implementing features in FreeCAD Path to stay close to linuxcnc capabilities. If something works in linuxcnc it seems to work in other controls too. Not always true the other way around.
[12:23:01] <sliptonic> For instance, Haas has some great improvements to peck drilling that vary the depth of each peck. Makes the cycle MUCH faster but those improvements are haas only.
[12:23:36] <andypugh> I like G73
[12:24:46] <sliptonic> I probably need to study that more closely. We can probably improve our postprocessor there
[12:26:41] <skunkworks> I use g73 a lot..
[12:27:51] <skunkworks> https://youtu.be
[12:28:47] <skunkworks> andypugh: looks like lathe roughing/finishing cycles are only in 2.9/master?
[12:29:21] <jymmmm> skunkworks: was that micro pecking?
[12:29:57] <skunkworks> jymmmm: it backs up just slightly every so often for chip breaking
[12:30:31] <jymmmm> skunkworks: Ok, wasn't sure if it was an illusion or not, such a TINY back move =)
[12:31:24] <skunkworks> andypugh: interp version..
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[12:45:10] <jymmmm> JavaBean: I just remembered, they spray that borax solution on bags of landscaping bark so it doens't become fire tinder =)
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[12:50:11] <skunkworks> andypugh: very cool on the lathe roughing/finishing cycles.
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[12:51:44] <andypugh> Yes, G71/G72 are only in master. And the docs are poor.
[12:52:11] <andypugh> I made what I thought were decent docs for my remap, but they use all different letters to the ones that got merged.
[12:54:38] <skunkworks> andypugh: that is ok. It has a gcode example. That really helps
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[13:38:21] <Tom_L> skunkworks, on g73 you can specify the retract distance right?
[13:38:35] <Tom_L> G83 is full retract
[13:47:56] <JT-Shop> crap the punched channel will be here tomorrow
[13:49:15] <JT-Shop> I hope the 20' channel is not mangled like last time
[13:49:37] * JT-Shop reminds himself to not take on any more fence jobs
[13:49:39] <gregcnc> I'll have to look into the lathe cycles. Maybe i'll get around to finishing that lathe I started ages ago.
[13:52:37] <gregcnc> syyl did I see a Zeus 231 in your feed recently? It looks like a tool I need
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[14:04:05] <CaptHindsight> Rab: the resin printers have become lower cost and more closed source
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[14:04:58] <CaptHindsight> the print areas are not very large, they use a cell phone or tablet LCD screen
[14:06:14] <CaptHindsight> the cheap Chines ones all use the same controller and have wifi
[14:11:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.chitubox.com
[14:12:39] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I suppose I could tolerate closed source firmware if it wasn't total crap (which doesn't seem unlikely, all things considered). My oscilloscope has closed firmware too. I'm more concerned with ruggedness of the print, and hoping it could approximate injection-molded ABS or polycarbonate.
[14:13:27] <CaptHindsight> https://home.cbd-3d.com
[14:14:03] <CaptHindsight> I and other make resins like that but they are the low cost versions
[14:14:19] <CaptHindsight> the raw materials just cost more
[14:15:07] <Rab> The goal is something like an action camera housing: kinda waterproof, looks OK, strong enough for e.g. fastener bosses, can step on or throw out of a car, won't turn to dust in the sun, etc etc.
[14:17:09] <Rab> Something that holds up where FDM fails those criteria. It doesn't have to be particularly cheap, it's for low volume.
[14:19:21] <CaptHindsight> well FDM can print Nylon and ABS
[14:19:40] <CaptHindsight> photopolymers are just not the same
[14:20:29] <CaptHindsight> they can be similar in some ways but they are not thermoplastic, they are like thermosets only rather than heat, they polymerize by light energy
[14:20:41] <CaptHindsight> so they don't reflow like thermosets
[14:21:42] <CaptHindsight> so a boss for fastener should be inserted during the print process vs after via an ultrasonic welder or just a press
[14:22:10] <CaptHindsight> bottom up doesn't allow you to insert components into the print
[14:22:16] <CaptHindsight> top down does
[14:22:49] <Rab> CaptHindsight, sounds like plastite and other thread-forming fasteners are contraindicated?
[14:24:13] <CaptHindsight> my approach to the camera body would be a tough urethane for the skeleton with a softer flexible urethane outer skin with fasteners inserted while printing that are captured in place
[14:25:05] <Rab> I guess I could try printing threads for specifically chosen fasteners. I did intend to try printing functional 3/4-14 threads to mate with a PVC fitting.
[14:25:27] <CaptHindsight> Rab: if you body was made of cast epoxy that you are likely familiar with, how would you capture fasteners in it?
[14:25:35] <CaptHindsight> you/your
[14:26:13] <CaptHindsight> sorry light touch to the keyboard today, keep missing letters
[14:26:56] <Rab> CaptHindsight, that picture's worth a thousand words, thanks. I certainly wouldn't try thread forming, or inserts after casting.
[14:27:51] <CaptHindsight> I'm thinking about offering 3d print services since i can print things that nobody else can
[14:28:32] <Rab> So probably introducing inserts during casting, or special voids which could constrain inserts without deformation, or just some other clever fastening method that sidesteps the problem.
[14:28:34] <CaptHindsight> LCNC lets me combine print tech to make hybrid printers
[14:28:56] <CaptHindsight> everyone else is stuck with software dedicated to one type of tech
[14:29:38] <CaptHindsight> Rab: now you have it
[14:32:07] <CaptHindsight> other options might be using a water soluble support material that acts as a mold
[14:32:41] <CaptHindsight> the insert gets captured and then the support is rinsed away after printing
[14:33:15] <Rab> Hmm, yeah.
[14:33:41] <CaptHindsight> if you use a 4k screen that is small the pixel pitch is also small
[14:33:53] <CaptHindsight> so you can print some small threads
[14:34:57] <CaptHindsight> if you get really fancy you can use and inverse microscope and get down to 1um features and then step the light engine over the print area
[14:35:56] <CaptHindsight> step the raster over a greater area than the area of the raster
[14:36:11] <Rab> Heh, I don't think I could trust threads at that scale not to crumble under torque.
[14:36:59] <CaptHindsight> I've gotten pretty close to aluminum using aluminum in resin
[14:37:19] <CaptHindsight> it is a paste at this point
[14:38:01] <CaptHindsight> at that point it's like printing metal
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[14:38:34] <CaptHindsight> the resin loading is so low that you can bake the part to burn the resin out and sinter the metal powder
[14:40:09] <CaptHindsight> another option is jet fusion
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[14:41:22] <CaptHindsight> https://i.materialise.com
[14:42:29] <CaptHindsight> or print a low volume mold and inject
[14:43:03] <CaptHindsight> all depends on the finish and other qualities
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[14:44:07] <CaptHindsight> Rab: the limiting factor of the cheap resin printers is that they are bottom up and require resins that are under ~1,000cPs, similar to honey
[14:44:46] <CaptHindsight> since the resin needs to flow under the part to make the next layer, if the resin is too thick it will take a long time to flow
[14:44:59] <CaptHindsight> so prints rates will be glacial like FDM/FFF
[14:46:07] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I see.
[14:53:00] <gregcnc> capt how many source of epoxy resins are there? I was looking for a high temp and it was surprising how many were out there
[14:53:27] <gregcnc> i thought like most industries, there was a lot of repackaging
[14:53:52] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: two part epoxies? several
[14:53:57] <gregcnc> yes
[14:54:06] <CaptHindsight> the raw materials come from a dozen or so sources
[14:54:27] <CaptHindsight> you just have to be able to buy by the drum
[14:55:29] <CaptHindsight> the money seems to be in packaging in small volumes with some marketing spin on how yours is so wonderful
[14:55:37] <gregcnc> yeah
[14:58:49] <gregcnc> I found this https://theepoxyexperts.com which seems pretty decent and reasonably priced for the qty I expect to use
[14:59:57] <gregcnc> biggest differnce among brands seemed whether or not they could be removed from the mold prior to post cure
[15:02:10] <JT-Shop> and don't forget the label must have 50% better, stronger, more, lighter, faster etc.
[15:02:43] <gregcnc> well that's why TDS
[15:04:42] <miss0r2> Just started milling the overly complicated busbars for the land rover :D https://imgur.com
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[15:06:45] <Tom_L> and a gorilla on the cover
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[15:12:17] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: are you casting epoxy?
[15:12:44] <gregcnc> closed mold hand carbon layup
[15:13:09] <miss0r2> What is that?
[15:13:26] <gregcnc> or bagged, will have to try both methods to see what works best
[15:14:01] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to build a CF weaving multiaxis resin printer
[15:14:54] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: are your parts solid or mostly shells?
[15:15:05] <gregcnc> shells
[15:23:54] <gregcnc> I was looking for something else, but came across this https://www.youtube.com
[15:36:15] <Tom_L> some light poles are wound like that
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[15:41:01] <CaptHindsight> planar and cylinders (wrapped plane) are easy
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[15:44:33] <CaptHindsight> I need to crotchet CF into shapes https://youtu.be
[15:44:58] <Tom_L> indestructable flowers?
[15:45:03] <gregcnc> https://xwinder.com
[15:47:00] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: don't forget hats
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[16:47:31] <miss0r2> CaptHindsight: I finished the battery busbars: https://imgur.com
[16:54:25] <miss0r2> I'm off for the night. See you around
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[17:48:23] <skunkworks> Tom_L: i dont think so..
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[18:19:56] <Tom_L> skunkworks, i thought the R was the retract and Q the 'peck' retract
[18:21:11] <Tom_L> or is Q the drill depth each peck cycle?
[18:26:28] <Tom_L> huh, the code sets the G73 rapid_delta the same as G83. i dunno if that's the peck return or not though
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[18:59:12] <Tom_L> no, it's hardcoded to .010"
[19:02:05] <Tom_L> in interp_internal.hh
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[19:11:57] <skunkworks> Tom_L: knew you would get there.. ;)
[19:12:18] <XXCoder> shop closed today. postive covid on one of coworkers
[19:13:05] <Tom_L> i'm not sure which one i code in my post
[19:17:22] <XXCoder> hope that coworker is ok
[19:17:37] <Tom_L> you gotta get tested?
[19:17:56] <XXCoder> should be yeah. how expensive is it anyway
[19:18:02] <XXCoder> thankfully I always wore mask at work
[19:18:06] <Tom_L> the company should pay
[19:18:06] <XXCoder> helps a little
[19:18:16] <Tom_L> iirc 250?
[19:18:25] <Tom_L> i'm not sure
[19:18:37] <Tom_L> same happened at my kid's work
[19:18:56] <Tom_L> 14 day quarantine
[19:19:39] <Tom_L> test came back neg on day 15
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[20:02:44] <flyback> https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com
[20:07:08] <skunkworks> for the love.. why?
[20:07:26] <Tom_L> old car tube radios
[20:07:48] <Tom_L> (before you were born)
[20:08:46] <skunkworks> I know - but why? There are way better ways now..
[20:08:57] <Tom_L> of course
[20:09:26] <Tom_L> you can get a chip radio that sits on your pinkie nail now
[20:10:33] <Tom_L> goldmine has alot of old crap
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[20:26:41] <perry_j1987> what do you guys think of the pm-728vt
[20:33:38] <skunkworks> it's a mill?
[20:34:29] <skunkworks> looks pretty
[20:39:50] <Tom_L> green is prettier
[20:41:07] <skunkworks> heh - yellow too https://youtu.be
[20:43:57] <Tom_L> saw that one
[20:44:31] <skunkworks> or red - or blue
[20:45:13] <roycroft> you can still make a crystal radio that fits in your palm, and requires no power
[20:45:21] <roycroft> that's old old school
[20:45:32] <skunkworks> eh..
[20:46:04] <XXCoder> im pretty sure you can flame polish ends to make ends more transparent but cool nevertheless https://www.youtube.com
[20:47:19] <JavaBean> thanks jymmmm, just got your warning
[20:48:22] <jymmmm> XXCoder: flame polish acrylic?
[20:48:30] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:48:46] <jymmmm> XXCoder: Yeah, you should use oxy-propane if you can.
[20:49:49] <jymmmm> JavaBean: no worries, your welcome
[20:51:21] <jymmmm> roycroft: http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com
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[20:58:09] <jymmmm> XXCoder: MAPP gas can leave soot in the finished result
[20:58:26] <XXCoder> ya I dont plan on doing it myself
[20:58:39] <XXCoder> just was commenting that he could do it in order to improve end result a little
[21:00:13] <jymmmm> laser will polish the edges, or manually but that takes time. Flame polishing takes a bit of practice
[21:02:02] <JavaBean> jymmmm: could you help me out a sec... who was the dude with the chickens in here?
[21:02:20] <jymmmm> JT
[21:02:49] <jymmmm> JavaBean: JT built a automated Chicken hotel and resort =)
[21:03:11] <JavaBean> JT? thanks.... hey JT!! found you a neato for your chickens https://twitter.com
[21:03:27] <JavaBean> i remember, jymmmm. that's why i had to send him that
[21:04:39] <jymmmm> haha, nice
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